Dragon Ball Canon = Dead
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
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Rest in Peace Dragon Ball Canon. In today's video we will finally wrap up the conversation of Dragon Ball Canon. Dragon Ball Canon is dead. It died many years ago when Dragon Ball Z came out. But more recently, Dragon Ball Super has stuffed Dragon Ball Canon further into the grave. Qaaman will analyze how Dragon Ball Canon died and explains how it affects, Dragon Ball Super, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT.
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Dragon Ball Evolution is the only true canon.
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Goku’s true rival: Texes Battle Fuller.
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Hell no.
No. Get out. And stay out.
Also even tho Toriyama did cover The History of Trunks in the manga, I definitely prefer the TV special version specifically because Trunks achieved the Super Saiyan transformation at the cost of Gohan dying whereas in the manga, he was a Super Saiyan before Gohan died and I feel like the TV special was much more emotionally effective
You do know akira had trunks in the manga and the history of trunks special adapts what's in the manga
@@carmelosmith8782 I know Toriyama drew it, my comment says “tv special handled the circumstances of Gohan’s death better” because in manga, Trunks was Super Saiyan before Gohan died, anime he didn’t get Super Saiyan until Gohan died…which means I’ve obviously have seen both versions…
However that makes it more consistent with Boo Saga Present Trunks, who always could transform as well.
Toriyama is basically saying for years now that he didn't really care all that much huh? I really wish someone would just fix his story instead of just adding more "canon" to the fire.
How is canon being added to the fire?
@@QaamansLand well y'know with dbs "canon" if you can all it that ofc. New shit is being added constantly
There's multiple canons depending on how you're consuming Dragon ball... everything that happens in the manga is canon to the manga... everything that happens in the anime is canon to the anime... and then whatever happens in the movies is canon to the movies... pretty simple to understand. Deadzone is the only movie that's canon to the anime because the anime has the Garlic jr saga which directly connects it
Not only that, but you could easily fit Bojack into the 7 year gap between Cell and Buu
In November 2018, Toei Animation and Shueisha Publishing Co., Ltd. confirmed during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour that the Dragon Ball Super manga, for which Toriyama was responsible for only the story and character designs, was canon to Toriyama's manga. Toriyama even stated back when the ROF movie came out that he wrote it to be a continuation of the manga as if the manga was still in serialization. That's why most of the fandom have an issue with calling it a seperate continuity, because it isn't. DBS is canon to the original manga.
Dragon Ball canon (正史, seishi; Literally meaning "official history") was first officially defined during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour in an exhibit called the History of Dragon Ball. It was later reaffirmed in December 2018 in Weekly Shōnen Jump.
As of the start of this tour on November 1, 2018, the official canon of Dragon Ball includes Akira Toriyama's original Dragon Ball manga (which composes both Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z in the West) and the Dragon Ball Super manga, which has its story written by Toriyama and artwork drawn by Toyotarō.
Additionally, despite not being adapted by the Dragon Ball Super manga as Dragon Ball Z: God and God was, Toriyama has confirmed that the events of Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F" are a canonical continuation of his manga, as well. He also considers the Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga and its extra chapter, Dragon Ball Minus, to be connected to his series. Most recently, Toriyama added Broly and Gogeta into the Dragon Ball canon with Dragon Ball Super: Broly.
Canon is very much a real thing, and here are the canons, according to the owners of Dragon Ball themselves:
Anime: DB, DB Kai, (History of Trunks), DBS, DBS Broly, DBS Super Hero, End of Z/Kai
Manga: DB Minus, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball (Z included, as the original manga didn't splinter off like the anime, as well as the manga version of History of Trunks), DBS (the ROF movie is not in the manga but Toriyama says the film is the events that occurred and is referenced in the manga, so the movie is canon to the manga), End of Z's original manga (Note, the Broly movie and Super Hero movie are also both canon to the manga but there are slight differences regarding the versions in the manga compared to those of the anime)
Just because there are contradictions and plot holes do not somehow stop them from being canon. Pretending plot holes only exist in Dragon Ball and not other franchises is ridiculous.
@@CrazeWayYTdb-dbz -eoz-dbgt
So glad you did a video on this specific topic Q Mann. Save me the trouble from wasting my breath.
it's strange that people don't understand that Toriyama had to give legal rights for other people to make their own dragon ball content. GT and the old Z movies are legally canon, it's just that they operate in a separate continuity.
Yeah exactly, there's multiple canons depending on how you're consuming Dragon ball... everything that happens in the manga is canon to the manga... everything that happens in the anime is canon to the anime... and then whatever happens in the movies is canon to the movies... pretty simple to understand. Deadzone is the only movie that's canon to the anime because the anime has the Garlic jr saga which directly connects it... and GT is an official continuation of the DBZ anime, it is canon to the anime 💯
Nah, they're just officially licensed products. That and being canon might seem like the same thing, but it isn't.
@@SaturnineXTS No... things like the video games and action figures are just officially licensed products... the movies are canon to their own continuity... the anime is canon to its own continuity... the manga is canon to its own continuity... GT is canon to the DBZ anime continuity....
@@reptilian_geneticist That's actually not even true, at least not in the case of GT. GT has cameos of characters like Bojack or Cooler, with at least the latter having no way to fit into the Z timeline. It's just a self-referential clusterfuck written by Toei staff who wanted to pat themselves on the back for their earlier material by referencing it as much as possible. Also, the way hell works is completely different from the potrayal in Z fillers, which is another reason GT just doesn't fit completely even with those.
There is only one main continuity, the one from the DB manga and followed by Toriyama's scripts for Super arcs. Everything else just didn't happen
@@SaturnineXTS Nope, sorry but you're wrong. GT is the OFFICIAL continuation of the DBZ ANIME. There is no debating this, it is a fact. Minor contradictions do not take away from the fact that GT is the official continuation of the DBZ anime... the anime and manga are full of contradictions as well...
If you're watching the anime, it doesn't matter what happened in the manga because you're watching the anime...
If you're watching the movies it doesnt matter what happened in the manga or anime because you're watching a movie... there's definitely multiple continuities/canons
I agree there is no Dragonball canon. There are just continuities. I consider Dragonball GT and the Dragonball movie timelines to be alternate timelines. Jaco and the Galactic Patrolman is part of the main story!
Canon, continuity, basically the same thing... There's just multiple canons/continuities depending on how you're consuming Dragon ball... everything that happens in the manga is canon to the manga... everything that happens in the anime is canon to the anime... and then whatever happens in the movies is canon to the movies... pretty simple to understand. Deadzone is the only movie that's canon to the anime because the anime has the Garlic jr saga which directly connects it... and GT is an official continuation of the DBZ anime
But wouldn't Jaco contradict the original manga by your definition?
@@QaamansLand contradictions dont automatically exclude something from being canon or an official continuation... The manga and anime are full of contradictions themselves... GT has contradictions but its still the official continuation of the DBZ anime...
@@QaamansLand Yes I agree that Jaco the Galactic Patrolman does contradict the original manga . I consider it to be revised update or retcon to the original manga.
The dragon ball timeline to me is the original manga/ anime timeline, the movie/GT timeline, the video game timeline, future trunks timeline and the modern super timeline including minus and jaco.
Bro just by reading the title , I get extreme anxiety and PTSD , lmfao ! Great content !
Lol why?
@@QaamansLand Dragon Ball canon is always such a debate in the community, I can’t even recall how many Reddit thread I’ve read about this , so many people arguing , a real war haha !
I feel like the issue is that Jaco, DB Minus, and Super were ideas for more of a reboot not something that would act as a continuation of the Buu saga. Super does more retconning of events and characters then I’ve ever seen lol.
I agree with this sentiment entirely. By that point it felt more...Commercialized? If that makes sense? Idk, all of things in Super feel tacked on. Like this felt like I'm reading a Dragon Ball Heroes manga rather than a Dragon Ball manga. But that's probably just me. I'm an old head. Everything from the OG series to GT, movies included, are canon to me. Still are. To me, THAT is the main line story and Super is just an AU.
@@midle1998 That’s definitely understandable! If you showed someone GT and Super without knowledge of which was “canon” folks would pick GT as the canon and Super as something fan made
@@dominiquerobinson8888 again, this might be just me but GT for me still felt like I was watching Z. Just the atmosphere and anesthetic of GT felt familiar but new. Like we actually skipped ahead a few years into the future. Super feels like only a few months have passed. Just about everything and everyone feel the exact same. Only some characters regressed in characterization, where in GT, they kept them mostly intact and built up on them. I even like GT's themes, despite being one big homage to DB and DBZ, dealt with consequences from past mistakes. Baby being the consequences of the Saiyans wiping them out, Super 17 being the consequences of Goku wiping out the Red Ribbon Army, and the Shadow Dragons being the consequences of the Dragon Balls being used selfishly over the years. Most of those concepts may have only existed in the anime but they still made it work in that framework and made them standout even more without feeling too alien, if that makes sense. With Super, it feels so bloated with new shiz that feel so strange. We got literally God's now. Angels, the Omni-King, multiple universes and what. It just feels like too much to digest and we're expected to just by into the fact that this was always the case, which doesn't endear me to Super.
@@midle1998It doesn't matter what you and I prefer. Dragon Ball Super is the canonical continuation.
@@MrDavicovic not really at the point. There's so many continuities in DB that even Toriyama doesn't care what's canon anymore.
I like how rather than saying that Everything is Canon, you're saying Nothing is Canon.
I feel like the DB Community just ignores what the word "Canon" actually means, just so they can have their favorite episodes/moments to be part of the main story.
The manga is the main story and that's that. The Anime with it's filler, most movies and GT can be seen as their own story, yes, but separated from the original story/manga.
Maybe DBS caused way too much confusion about this topic, as both the Anime & Manga are considered canon.
At least it makes more sense to treat them as different canons, due to them following Toriyama's script, but in different ways.
Wowww daily uploads from quamannn feels like 2015 -2016 again 😭
Kinda seems obvious to me but, I think the simplest way to explain Vegeta not mentioning Tarble in the Android Saga is that he assumed he died at somepoint in the time between the destruction of Planet Vegeta and the Android Saga, and therefor didn't mention him since nobody present knew of him. Vegeta said he couldn't care less about Tarble in DBS: Broly, which I think is an indicator that Vegeta thought he was weak and thus not worth his time searching for, so after Vegeta didn't hear from him after say, 5-8 years, he probably assumed he was dead.
The cannon got ruined in super lol that’s the only thing that messes everything up in my opinion
I hate when such things happen. I'm also a fan of another franchise that basically has the same problems and it really murks the water on what to consider what.
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this was a good pitch, you made your conviction strong and firm in this video. i respect you so much for this.
Thanks, but can you be more specific? And how was the audio in this video? Was the music too loud?
@@QaamansLand sure, I love how you transitions. It was real smooth. I also like the compare and contrast from anime to manga, especially The roles reverse of the pallet colors. You used the full color of the manga and then use the black and white for the anime it was very nice depicted. You are very creative, I can tell you are a humble person. trust me when i say this but your audio in the video are amazing its not to loud and its not to low its the perfect volume for you to get your point across and let your voice be heard and i love the old dbz music playing the background. fate must had chosen you to be here on youtube because you was made for this. the music and audio is perfect👌
I've already been saying that people shouldn't worry about canon anymore. The manga authors don't, so why should we? Unless you're trying to follow the events of the story
When Toriyama said the DB movies are just different storylines of the DB story in a “different dimension”.. in order words.. different continuities . That alone shatters this “canon” talk. It’s a official DB unless of course it’s fanmade.
I learned from GeekDom long ago to never bring up canon to Dragon Ball fans.
Up for a Collab?
Specifically?
Literally had an argument last week with another fan on Instagram on why the anime and manga are separate at the end he still ignorantly believed they should be the same canon despite all the Continuity errors and plot holes that would bring about
How would you relate that to this video?
@@QaamansLand saying the manga is canon is correct and the anime is also canon but it’s own separate continuity but as a whole the franchise is a beautiful mess basically became the Japanese equivalent to marvel or comics no concrete story structure just runs that are picked up by different writers overtime changing characters to fit the current plot and make the most money
@@QaamansLand by the way I’ve been watching since I was 12 I’m 22 now and you’re one of the first TH-camrs I subscribed and you helped me gain so much knowledge on my favorite franchise and I’ve been thinking of starting a TH-cam channel myself someday but I think it’d be dope as shit to discuss Dragonball with on a video anyways good shit qaaman 👍🏾
@@shawnsouth327 some. I’m 17
@@just_an_internet_explorer8038 what?
I see people bring up Bulma flipping out on Goku for not showing his face for 5 years (not like he hasn't done that twice before lol, once after marrying Chichi and then again after he died to Cell)
I'm not sure exactly when in the timeline Morro happens, but there's a distinct possibility that's the last time she does see Goku prior to End of Z. There very well may be 4+ years of separation there.
That's impossible for two reasons. Pan's age and Bra's age.
Pan is 4 at the end of Z and Goku had definitely seen Bulma since Pan was born. Bra being 3 makes it more impossible.
Though with that it means the entire super manga /anime would take place in a four year time gap which is impossible with how things progress.
This is probably the reason why I stopped caring about DragonBall being canon or not, and how I gaved up looking into the Mangas and Animes, because things change for the better and the worse, I love the games and Dragon Ball Hero's for being there own thing apart from this train, but that's it really for me.
I think I rather get into them more than the train wreck of canon or not, and at this point, now R.I.P.
Seems like you did lot of work on this one, good job detective q
Thanks but I still want your thoughts on the "Lazy" content
@@QaamansLand what do you mean?
the true canon is the original manga everything else is their own canon, this applies to super as well
dbs is the new canon tho... toriyama approved. 😂😯
In November 2018, Toei Animation and Shueisha Publishing Co., Ltd. confirmed during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour that the Dragon Ball Super manga, for which Toriyama was responsible for only the story and character designs, was canon to Toriyama's manga. Toriyama even stated back when the ROF movie came out that he wrote it to be a continuation of the manga as if the manga was still in serialization. That's why most of the fandom have an issue with calling it a seperate continuity, because it isn't. DBS is canon to the original manga.
Dragon Ball canon (正史, seishi; Literally meaning "official history") was first officially defined during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour in an exhibit called the History of Dragon Ball. It was later reaffirmed in December 2018 in Weekly Shōnen Jump.
As of the start of this tour on November 1, 2018, the official canon of Dragon Ball includes Akira Toriyama's original Dragon Ball manga (which composes both Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z in the West) and the Dragon Ball Super manga, which has its story written by Toriyama and artwork drawn by Toyotarō.
Additionally, despite not being adapted by the Dragon Ball Super manga as Dragon Ball Z: God and God was, Toriyama has confirmed that the events of Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F" are a canonical continuation of his manga, as well. He also considers the Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga and its extra chapter, Dragon Ball Minus, to be connected to his series. Most recently, Toriyama added Broly and Gogeta into the Dragon Ball canon with Dragon Ball Super: Broly.
Canon is very much a real thing, and here are the canons, according to the owners of Dragon Ball themselves:
Anime: DB, DB Kai, (History of Trunks), DBS, DBS Broly, DBS Super Hero, End of Z/Kai
Manga: DB Minus, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball (Z included, as the original manga didn't splinter off like the anime, as well as the manga version of History of Trunks), DBS (the ROF movie is not in the manga but Toriyama says the film is the events that occurred and is referenced in the manga, so the movie is canon to the manga), End of Z's original manga (Note, the Broly movie and Super Hero movie are also both canon to the manga but there are slight differences regarding the versions in the manga compared to those of the anime)
Just because there are contradictions and plot holes do not somehow stop them from being canon. Pretending plot holes only exist in Dragon Ball and not other franchises is ridiculous.
Speaking as a videogame developer myself, I enjoyed watching the examples you illustrated in this video!🧠♥️
I see the continuities as parallel dimensions or alternate universes, each with their own canon. They all have some similarities, but they also have their differences.
I wish there was an in-universw explanation for all this
At this point I see it as different timelines
Why is that?
@@QaamansLand easier and less confusing/complicated
Hey Qaaman you ever think about doing DBZ video games review's?
Like which one?
@@QaamansLand Well your personal favorites would be good to hear about. If you've played them the budokai tenkaichi and Budokai series I would like to hear your thoughts. Or maybe DBZ kakarot, it's going to have Bardock dlc coming out. So even more things to mess with canon lol
2:54 Goku just wanted the hands all to himself lol😂
So glad you made this. I was gonna cover this subject on my channel, but no one views my shit I just rant to my friends. But people gotta chill suckling on canon's balls and enjoy the franchise.
I want to state that you are free to enjoy whatever you want, however there very much is a Dragon Ball canon.
In November 2018, Toei Animation and Shueisha Publishing Co., Ltd. confirmed during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour that the Dragon Ball Super manga, for which Toriyama was responsible for only the story and character designs, was canon to Toriyama's manga. Toriyama even stated back when the ROF movie came out that he wrote it to be a continuation of the manga as if the manga was still in serialization. That's why most of the fandom have an issue with calling it a seperate continuity, because it isn't. DBS is canon to the original manga.
Dragon Ball canon (正史, seishi; Literally meaning "official history") was first officially defined during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour in an exhibit called the History of Dragon Ball. It was later reaffirmed in December 2018 in Weekly Shōnen Jump.
As of the start of this tour on November 1, 2018, the official canon of Dragon Ball includes Akira Toriyama's original Dragon Ball manga (which composes both Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z in the West) and the Dragon Ball Super manga, which has its story written by Toriyama and artwork drawn by Toyotarō.
Additionally, despite not being adapted by the Dragon Ball Super manga as Dragon Ball Z: God and God was, Toriyama has confirmed that the events of Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F" are a canonical continuation of his manga, as well. He also considers the Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga and its extra chapter, Dragon Ball Minus, to be connected to his series. Most recently, Toriyama added Broly and Gogeta into the Dragon Ball canon with Dragon Ball Super: Broly.
Canon is very much a real thing, and here are the canons, according to the owners of Dragon Ball themselves:
Anime: DB, DB Kai, (History of Trunks), DBS, DBS Broly, DBS Super Hero, End of Z/Kai
Manga: DB Minus, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball (Z included, as the original manga didn't splinter off like the anime, as well as the manga version of History of Trunks), DBS (the ROF movie is not in the manga but Toriyama says the film is the events that occurred and is referenced in the manga, so the movie is canon to the manga), End of Z's original manga (Note, the Broly movie and Super Hero movie are also both canon to the manga but there are slight differences regarding the versions in the manga compared to those of the anime)
Just because there are contradictions and plot holes do not somehow stop them from being canon. Pretending plot holes only exist in Dragon Ball and not other franchises is ridiculous.
@@CrazeWayYT well said. I'm not the type to let canon stop me from enjoying gt and dbh. I know what is canon or isn't but the fans that blast things like gt for it not being written by Toriyama is ignorant. Blast it for what it is but at least give it a chance.
Continuity obviously matters but at this point I just like the story content that I like. Most of the story filler in the OG Dragon Ball and Z anime I think actually benefits the arcs. It’s mostly the padding that’s the problem. The whole concept of canon I find silly. The manga is canon to the manga. The anime is canon to the anime. Everything is it’s own thing and that’s fine.
Akira Toriyama should just fire himself. He's the Japanese version of George Lucas at this point, but instead of selling out to Disney to have his work hijacked and turn into shit, Toriyama done all this all by himself without any third parties.
Toriyama is going to go down as one of the worse writers in Japanese manga history.
Why are you being so strict part 1?
I’ve always hated the canon/non-canon arguments because if people wanna be technical, the Z anime isn’t canon to the manga. Saiyan Scholar summed it up perfectly in a video he made awhile back, the Dragon Ball manga is Toriyama’s canon and the original source of everything. DB anime/movies, DBZ anime/movies, and DBGT are Toei’s original canon and then DBZ Kai, and DBS anime is Toei’s secondary canon but at the end of the day, content is content and fans should just enjoy that we have a variety of Dragon Ball content and shouldn’t let the concept of what’s “canon” and what’s not stop them from enjoying it
Link?
@@QaamansLand i just went to his channel to find it and I think that video got removed, he uploaded a video yesterday of GT that had a portion of that video in it but when I went to yesterday’s video, the canon discussion also was trimmed out that video also, idk why he removed it because he made great points
I am loving these daily videos so much!!! But please don't play music when talking; it only makes you harder to hear/follow!
Is it that loud? I'll just drop it by like 10-20%
The moment Super came around, it all fell to pieces.
Facts
dragon ball will end up like marvel and dc
make a story and whatever you chose from previous stories is cannon
if you think about it gt and super are like that
Story should be more important then continuity. But it can help add some context. Just my opinion. ;)
Be more specific
When creating a story, the characters, themes and adventure should take priority, continuity is a nice way of keeping track, however continuity can be tweak a little bit in order to fill in a gap in story or to help move an event quicker to help get to point A to point B. I was kinda thinking about other shows like Star Wars or Star Trek that have a similar issues with canon, but that way may not work in Dragon Ball… at least not we get real spin-offs.
What’s your favorite dragon ball game?
Of all time or new?
@@QaamansLand all time
Perhaps the canon as such is dead, but we have a pretty good idea of what was supposed to have happened "for real" in the primary timeline, and what not - which we can call the "main continuity". The problem with the main continuity starting with Super onwards, is that there have been differing portrayals across media - the movies, the manga and the anime. The first Beerus encounter, for example, was told with slight differences across all three of these media. But we still can draw the common denominator of what happened from all three, and accept just the general gist of what happened:
Beerus comes to Earth, everyone tries to not piss him off, Vegeta snaps at him for slapping Bulma, they summon Shenron to find out about SSj God, Goku gets Ssj God and fights Beerus, Beerus is impressed and chooses not to destroy Earth.
And even in spite of slightly differing portrayals across different media, we can all agree that the above did happen, in one form or another. That's the caveat with Super, but we can still get down to what is truly canon just by finding common events from across all the portrayals - which I presume correspond to Toriyama's original notes, which then get adapted in different ways. It's these notes, these bare-bone plot points that are the strictest canon as far as Super is concerned.
What is not canon though? Obviously Z fillers - the writers from Toei were just making shit up without knowing any better. Theatrical movies - obviously, most couldn't even fit in the main timeline due to different minor or major problems. GT - can't have happened either, as it draws heavily from both Z fillers and theatricals, in fact basing its entire arcs on concepts therefrom.
So if you want an idea of things that "have happened for real", then I guess you take the DB manga, and after that just add Toriyama's general plot outlines of Super arcs. It's a bit more complicated than it should be, but that's the best we can do given the circumstances.
So what is Table then?
@@QaamansLand I think Tarble was namedropped in Battle of Gods and DBS:Broly, wasn't he? That would be something that anchors him to the main continuity, at least the variation presented in the movies. I personally think he's a shit character, but I'll accept it haha
Anyway, our only out seems to be the fact that the anime often comes later and kind of overwrites the self-contained potrayals from the movies - for instance today the DBS Beerus arc is considered to be more accurate than the BoG movie, as it came later. Not sure if Tarble got mentioned in the anime outside of those movies thus far.
So yea, the situation seems a bit ambiguous - Tarble is definitely canon to the Toriyama movies (which tend to serve as basis for later anime arcs), but what the anime decides to do with him remains to be seen.
@Qaaman I think my issue with understanding the “end of Z” is I was thinkin what went in on GT(villains like Sin Shenron) was after what went on in Dragon Ball Super. I do however still think that uub still shouldn’t be as strong as Goku(after mastering MUI and whatever techniques are learned) regardless of him being a reincarnation of Buu(original)…by the time end of Z would go on, that’d almost assume that uub should be around gods of destruction level of power.
Goku fights Uub in base form during the end of Z.
@@WednesdayMan but the “rumor” is it could be him in Ultra Instinct Omen(tho his eyes are silver)
@@mike_datzmag1c21 but why would Goku even need to go beyond base form against Uub?
@@WednesdayMan he wouldn’t n that’s my point, I find it hard to believe that End of Z still falls after super which would say if uub is fighting on par with Goku would seem unbelievable
@@mike_datzmag1c21 Goku was holding back during that fight though, he didn't even use the Kaioken either.
This is why it is best to read Dragonball and Dragonball Z, then leave it at that. Even Dragonball Z was very messy at times behind the scenes and even if Toriyamas writing saved most of it (just look at the Android Saga), it's clear that the series didn't have a set direction during it's run and it shows. The more they add on top of the established storyline without a good plan or just bad writing in general, it creates situations that are not believable in the story (like Vegeta suddenly having a brother who was never mentioned before etc).
The truth is toriyama is a shit writer when it comes to having consistency in his story and theres alot of inconsistencies. I just came to accept we arent gonna get the same level of writing like with oda and one piece or death note.
Have you seen Chainsaw Man?
@@QaamansLand only the 1st couple episodes, and tbh i dont really understand the hype around it, it seems like decent but not great at the moment.
no one said it had to be as good as oda. but being at least competent would be nice
Dragon ball canon "exists" but you have to accept the fact that nothing in GT will happen, the end of Z will probably never happen and Super is the true Canon from the Manga.
I hate when people say the word canon people are horses asses when they say oh it’s not canon then it must suck or something and that’s not really the case
How so?
@@QaamansLand Well because people always say that well if it’s canon then it sucks if somethings that is not canon it doesn’t mean that it’s terrible or whatever sometimes it’s pretty cool
That’s literally all GT haters 😂
@@shawnsouth327 I know but I wish that they can change some of them
Get them Christmas presents for your kid bro! Keep that grind going!
I'm not a dad LMAO
I love OG DB because of how simple it is, not many timelines and divergence over one content. Its fun and thats what sometimes is needed, just simple fun
Dragon Ball has a multiverse.
Explanation?
@@QaamansLand Sure thing. :) During DBS Broly, Piccolo says, "What in the multiverse?!" This proves Piccolo knows about it. All of Super is it's own universe. All of GT is in it's own universe. OG DBZ movies are their own universe. Over 8000 or over 9000? English or Japanese? All different universes. Modern physicists admit, all possible universes exist, that's the only way to actually have infinity. Dragon Ball is actually real. And there are infinite versions of it (neighbouring universes).
To me Dragonball franchises by Akira has reach Marvel and Dc tier of multiverse. And I hope eventually they will explain. I believe all of this is canon. Manga Movies Side Stories Super Anime Video Games. And for me it’s easier to see it that way. Then trying to stress continuity. I’ve already come to conclusion super is not even tied to end of the Z. Nor what came before. But it sets up hoping it’s fans know the story that point before hand. While removing the ending of Z.
I agree with everything you said but I do have a question is Dr Slump Canon Arale and multiple Dr Slump characters appear in the original manga and contribute to important events in the story but at the same time a lot of ridiculous shit happens in Dr Slump to consider it Canon so is it or is it not
Well Arale is technically canon right? But by that Logic master Roshi is God because he is God in another toriyama project
@@QaamansLand I swear Toriyama never gave a shit🤣🤣🤣
How does Sand Land fit in? Dabura is the protagonist's father yeah?
bro, everything is canon... cuz if toriyama doesn't give a crap, why should i?
I mean at this point, and I say the same about Star Wars because it's in a similar dilemma at this point in time, Canon is subjective concept depending on the franchise. In this case Dragon ball canon at this point is all up to interpretation. Things like the other world tournament and the different depictions of the afterlife, I've always seen as canon.
Is Kenobi canon?
@@QaamansLand officially yeah 😅😂
@@thealmightypharaoh7106 It is not up to debate at all, the creators gave an official canon to Dragon Ball.
In November 2018, Toei Animation and Shueisha Publishing Co., Ltd. confirmed during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour that the Dragon Ball Super manga, for which Toriyama was responsible for only the story and character designs, was canon to Toriyama's manga. Toriyama even stated back when the ROF movie came out that he wrote it to be a continuation of the manga as if the manga was still in serialization. That's why most of the fandom have an issue with calling it a seperate continuity, because it isn't. DBS is canon to the original manga.
Dragon Ball canon (正史, seishi; Literally meaning "official history") was first officially defined during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour in an exhibit called the History of Dragon Ball. It was later reaffirmed in December 2018 in Weekly Shōnen Jump.
As of the start of this tour on November 1, 2018, the official canon of Dragon Ball includes Akira Toriyama's original Dragon Ball manga (which composes both Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z in the West) and the Dragon Ball Super manga, which has its story written by Toriyama and artwork drawn by Toyotarō.
Additionally, despite not being adapted by the Dragon Ball Super manga as Dragon Ball Z: God and God was, Toriyama has confirmed that the events of Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F" are a canonical continuation of his manga, as well. He also considers the Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga and its extra chapter, Dragon Ball Minus, to be connected to his series. Most recently, Toriyama added Broly and Gogeta into the Dragon Ball canon with Dragon Ball Super: Broly.
Canon is very much a real thing, and here are the canons, according to the owners of Dragon Ball themselves:
Anime: DB, DB Kai, (History of Trunks), DBS, DBS Broly, DBS Super Hero, End of Z/Kai
Manga: DB Minus, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball (Z included, as the original manga didn't splinter off like the anime, as well as the manga version of History of Trunks), DBS (the ROF movie is not in the manga but Toriyama says the film is the events that occurred and is referenced in the manga, so the movie is canon to the manga), End of Z's original manga (Note, the Broly movie and Super Hero movie are also both canon to the manga but there are slight differences regarding the versions in the manga compared to those of the anime)
Just because there are contradictions and plot holes do not somehow stop them from being canon. Pretending plot holes only exist in Dragon Ball and not other franchises is ridiculous.
I mean its pretty obvious to me what's cannon and what isn't, also super isn't in a 10 year box because they could simply make the end of Z an episode in super and just continue on from there.
What do you mean about the End of Z. Please go more in-depthj
@@QaamansLand the last chapter in the manga and the show that's what I mean by Z
I do believe some added aspects into the Dragonball Z anime would have neeeded an okay from Akira Toriyama himself that can add to the story but doesn't interfere with the plot of it other than just being support.
**Note: when it comes to Super and then the end of Z, Toriyama by the time of the end of Z was burnt out creatively, yes he should have left it more open but to someone like me, the end of Z in the original manga would have been a place holder until Toriyama knew what he wanted to do or how he would have wanted to expand upon that ending. A writer sometimes will wanna perfect or add onto their work.
Explain what you mean more in-depth
I’ve been trying to tell people shit like this for YEARS
You really had to dig the knife in with the XenoVerse 3 comment 😂⏳
Timestamp?
@@QaamansLand 10:30 ish
Honestly I feel that dragon ball canon not being definitive or pretty much being nonexistent is probably going to be better for the franchise in the long run. Because it allows more opportunities for stories to be done even if they mix and mash things that were previously done before. I actually believe that there needs to simply be different continuities that don't necessarily completely tie together, and can stand in their own right. I think for dragon ball that is what's going to be important for the story onward, when it comes to a more long-term aspect for the franchise
your point about the history of trunks, the difference between the two version of trunks knowing Ssj is Goten. With Gokus death he never had goten who was old enough to play and spar with trunks. So in the future , he only had an older gohan to be around.
so from what I get from this is that the canon is alive as the manga and everything else is just extra stuff that no one needs to get heated on since it's not canon
For me DB and DBZ are the main canons, GT and Super were all takes place in an Alternate Timeline and it didn't happen in the Main Db Legacy Story
In November 2018, Toei Animation and Shueisha Publishing Co., Ltd. confirmed during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour that the Dragon Ball Super manga, for which Toriyama was responsible for only the story and character designs, was canon to Toriyama's manga. Toriyama even stated back when the ROF movie came out that he wrote it to be a continuation of the manga as if the manga was still in serialization. That's why most of the fandom have an issue with calling it a seperate continuity, because it isn't. DBS is canon to the original manga.
Dragon Ball canon (正史, seishi; Literally meaning "official history") was first officially defined during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour in an exhibit called the History of Dragon Ball. It was later reaffirmed in December 2018 in Weekly Shōnen Jump.
As of the start of this tour on November 1, 2018, the official canon of Dragon Ball includes Akira Toriyama's original Dragon Ball manga (which composes both Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z in the West) and the Dragon Ball Super manga, which has its story written by Toriyama and artwork drawn by Toyotarō.
Additionally, despite not being adapted by the Dragon Ball Super manga as Dragon Ball Z: God and God was, Toriyama has confirmed that the events of Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F" are a canonical continuation of his manga, as well. He also considers the Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga and its extra chapter, Dragon Ball Minus, to be connected to his series. Most recently, Toriyama added Broly and Gogeta into the Dragon Ball canon with Dragon Ball Super: Broly.
Canon is very much a real thing, and here are the canons, according to the owners of Dragon Ball themselves:
Anime: DB, DB Kai, (History of Trunks), DBS, DBS Broly, DBS Super Hero, End of Z/Kai
Manga: DB Minus, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball (Z included, as the original manga didn't splinter off like the anime, as well as the manga version of History of Trunks), DBS (the ROF movie is not in the manga but Toriyama says the film is the events that occurred and is referenced in the manga, so the movie is canon to the manga), End of Z's original manga (Note, the Broly movie and Super Hero movie are also both canon to the manga but there are slight differences regarding the versions in the manga compared to those of the anime)
Just because there are contradictions and plot holes do not somehow stop them from being canon. Pretending plot holes only exist in Dragon Ball and not other franchises is ridiculous.
i've been preaching this for years, no one cares about canon except the fans. Dragon ball super contradicts dragon ball z as much as it contradicts dragon ball gt but super is treated as canon as toriyama's manga when the manga itself has been overwritten by jaco and minus. the modern dragon ball is just revisionist history but somehow the original history still counts. nothing makes sense anymore and you just have to accept the story as the way it is.... no consistent continuity.
So what is Jaco the Galactic Patrolman then?
@@QaamansLand schrodinger's canon or i like to see it as a different timeline or alternate continunity.
So in conclusion…..*fart noise*
Care to translate? Lmao
@@QaamansLand in longer terms. Everything matters but nothing at all. No point in putting too much brain power into it because no matter what it won’t make sense, but will to some. Lol.
So much better than geekdom
Show respect pleas
Chill that's his friend
@@TimeStopper20XX just an opinion did I say geekdom as bad?
great video my man keep it up !!
I feel thats why they introduced the time rings in DB Super so everything is technically cannon like how the MCU made everything cannon with the multiverse
This is what I believe at this point rn now. I stopped caring about canon for a few years now.
In November 2018, Toei Animation and Shueisha Publishing Co., Ltd. confirmed during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour that the Dragon Ball Super manga, for which Toriyama was responsible for only the story and character designs, was canon to Toriyama's manga. Toriyama even stated back when the ROF movie came out that he wrote it to be a continuation of the manga as if the manga was still in serialization. That's why most of the fandom have an issue with calling it a seperate continuity, because it isn't. DBS is canon to the original manga.
Dragon Ball canon (正史, seishi; Literally meaning "official history") was first officially defined during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour in an exhibit called the History of Dragon Ball. It was later reaffirmed in December 2018 in Weekly Shōnen Jump.
As of the start of this tour on November 1, 2018, the official canon of Dragon Ball includes Akira Toriyama's original Dragon Ball manga (which composes both Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z in the West) and the Dragon Ball Super manga, which has its story written by Toriyama and artwork drawn by Toyotarō.
Additionally, despite not being adapted by the Dragon Ball Super manga as Dragon Ball Z: God and God was, Toriyama has confirmed that the events of Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F" are a canonical continuation of his manga, as well. He also considers the Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga and its extra chapter, Dragon Ball Minus, to be connected to his series. Most recently, Toriyama added Broly and Gogeta into the Dragon Ball canon with Dragon Ball Super: Broly.
Canon is very much a real thing, and here are the canons, according to the owners of Dragon Ball themselves:
Anime: DB, DB Kai, (History of Trunks), DBS, DBS Broly, DBS Super Hero, End of Z/Kai
Manga: DB Minus, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball (Z included, as the original manga didn't splinter off like the anime, as well as the manga version of History of Trunks), DBS (the ROF movie is not in the manga but Toriyama says the film is the events that occurred and is referenced in the manga, so the movie is canon to the manga), End of Z's original manga (Note, the Broly movie and Super Hero movie are also both canon to the manga but there are slight differences regarding the versions in the manga compared to those of the anime)
Just because there are contradictions and plot holes do not somehow stop them from being canon. Pretending plot holes only exist in Dragon Ball and not other franchises is ridiculous.
You don't have to care about it, but canon is very much a real thing, recognized by the owners and creators of the franchies.
Missing Super Dragon Ball Heroes from the list, what makes what is canon even worse. Either what exist is the guidelines that Akira comes up with the Super sagas.
What do you mean? I mentioned Heroes.
@@QaamansLand You mentioned Dragon Ball Heroes, but Super Dragon Ball Heroes is a diff series. It is a crossover of DB Super and DB Heroes.
@@PureMaddnessOne You mean the game?
@@QaamansLand Super Dragon Ball Heroes is a anime series< there is a manga series based on it with a slighty diff story as the manga have Majin Ozotto and anime doesn't, the manga have a few chapters that takes place before the anime starts. Dragon Ball Heroes is a game series and manga series, the manga series is a bit diff from the game version.
@@PureMaddnessOne that is a game and not Canon to the series stated numerous of times by Geekdom
Cannon but different timeline. Even In Z..we have the original timeline and the movie timeline...after z..we have DBGT timeline and DBS timeline..choose which road you want..for me..DB end till the end of Z. FULLSTOP.
After z everything got messy as hell .
You are seriously over-analyzing this. When you get down to it, there are technically two canons: The manga and the anime (Just like with most anime/manga series). Both have differences and are their own thing. For example, compare the two Full Metal Alchemist animes or the two Hellsing animes. They have completely different stories, and are meant to be their own thing. Using one to compare the other makes no sense because they both operate on different lore.
The DBZ movies and GT timeline are their own thing, and are in the category of spinoffs that are not canon to the original story (similar to some Power Rangers series that are now being established as being in their own separate universes from other series). GT and DBZ movies take place in their own timeline, and yes, I put GT in this because the DBZ movies do show movie villains like Cooler in the Super 17 Saga, so it actually makes sense to classify GT in the same general timeline as the DBZ movies.
The super movies are a bit more debatable, but I'd argue the movies have their own canon similar to the DBZ movies.
The games, including Heroes, are not canon to either the manga or the anime, because they do their own thing, and honestly should go into the same category as DBZ/DBS fan mangas/animations. So unless you're counting all the fan-manga/animations as well, then the games really have no place in the canon discussion. Games are almost never canon to movies/animations/TV shows, and are almost always their own thing.
Why are you being so strict?
@@QaamansLand Because I'm a stubborn dick.
with the amount of great fan stories that were written by talented people one would think Dragon ball will one days fix this issue. but seeing how bad the latest arcs were, it seems things arent going to be fixed anytime soon
My view on canonicity: Any canon path that does not self-contradict can be considered A canon. Therefore there are multiple possible canons you can think of. Now, if you want to decide in what the "official" canon is, that would simply depend on what TOEI/Toriyami has stated is the "intended" canon. So, put simply, there are multiple canons, no official canon because no one canon has been official stated to be so, and - most important - no real use to decide (somewhat arbitrarily) what the real canon would be. Just choose a canon that doesn't self-contradict and you're good.
Canon is what ever you want it to be. If head canon works for you it'll work. It's all fiction anyway
Been saying this for so long at this point dragonball I s a series of Timelines and alternate universes nothing really matters in the end.. sooo well..
DB is unique in the fact that it can be inconsistent and have no real canon and I still enjoy it all the same. Great video got a good laugh out of it 👍
In November 2018, Toei Animation and Shueisha Publishing Co., Ltd. confirmed during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour that the Dragon Ball Super manga, for which Toriyama was responsible for only the story and character designs, was canon to Toriyama's manga. Toriyama even stated back when the ROF movie came out that he wrote it to be a continuation of the manga as if the manga was still in serialization. That's why most of the fandom have an issue with calling it a seperate continuity, because it isn't. DBS is canon to the original manga.
Dragon Ball canon (正史, seishi; Literally meaning "official history") was first officially defined during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour in an exhibit called the History of Dragon Ball. It was later reaffirmed in December 2018 in Weekly Shōnen Jump.
As of the start of this tour on November 1, 2018, the official canon of Dragon Ball includes Akira Toriyama's original Dragon Ball manga (which composes both Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z in the West) and the Dragon Ball Super manga, which has its story written by Toriyama and artwork drawn by Toyotarō.
Additionally, despite not being adapted by the Dragon Ball Super manga as Dragon Ball Z: God and God was, Toriyama has confirmed that the events of Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F" are a canonical continuation of his manga, as well. He also considers the Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga and its extra chapter, Dragon Ball Minus, to be connected to his series. Most recently, Toriyama added Broly and Gogeta into the Dragon Ball canon with Dragon Ball Super: Broly.
Canon is very much a real thing, and here are the canons, according to the owners of Dragon Ball themselves:
Anime: DB, DB Kai, (History of Trunks), DBS, DBS Broly, DBS Super Hero, End of Z/Kai
Manga: DB Minus, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball (Z included, as the original manga didn't splinter off like the anime, as well as the manga version of History of Trunks), DBS (the ROF movie is not in the manga but Toriyama says the film is the events that occurred and is referenced in the manga, so the movie is canon to the manga), End of Z's original manga (Note, the Broly movie and Super Hero movie are also both canon to the manga but there are slight differences regarding the versions in the manga compared to those of the anime)
Just because there are contradictions and plot holes do not somehow stop them from being canon. Pretending plot holes only exist in Dragon Ball and not other franchises is ridiculous.
Dragon Ball canon. What a laugh.
This is like the second time in a row that a big DB-Tuber uses one of my points in a video and dosen't credit me. :/
Umm... with all due respect I don't know you and everything I said was original.
@@QaamansLand Alright, but I did point out the "Alien Bulma" contradiction in the comment section of another video.
I feel like I remember seeing your comment but you made it seem like you said it in a video. Thanks for the help. If you mention another point I'll make it in a future video
@Auditect bro everyone come out with that theory 😑😐The hell you talking about using my point and not Give credit. Show some respect
You should do a video on what if Zarbon killed Vegeta but Frieza didn't care
That's a great topic
Perhaps canon isn't a good word to use when it comes to Dragonball. Continuities and timelines are better words to use instead. I don't see Toei or any of the writers ever using the word canon.
Does the wordage matter though?
Gt is canon to the original timeline. Gt is literally canon to dragonball and dbz. You super fans are 🗑 Dragonball canon isn't dead Dragonball itself is dead. Super is canon to supers alternate timeline, DBGT is 100% canon to the timeline I follow, the original dragonball before the super garbage was created
Agreed. I don't know why people keep calling Super Canon. I just call it fanfiction. I think people have forgotten when SS5 had white hair back in the mid 2000's and you look at UI and it's white hair. That's what I mean when I say it's fanficiton and their just doing something to get profit from idiots who willingly go along with this idiotic timeline that makes no sense.
Yea I agree. The only true canon I agree with is Dragonball Kai. It flowed better with Cell and Buu. Trunks time traveling makes more sense. The earrings are permanent fusion in my eyes. the 30 min fusion dance IS 30mins regardless of the strength of the 2 fighters. In other words F!@# everything else.
I just think there is 3 Main Canons (continuities) in Dragon Ball:
1 - DB Manga > DBS Manga + History Of Trunks Manga + Jaco Manga + ROF, DBS Broly and Super Hero Movies.
2 - DB Anime > DBZ Anime + All Fillers and some Movies (like Deadzone and Cooler) + TV Specials (Trunks, Bardock, etc...) > GT.
3 - DB Anime > DB Kai + TV Specials > DBS Anime (without the movies).
And maybe Bulma was surprised to see that GOKU, specifically Goku was an Alien because he looks like an Earthling.
In November 2018, Toei Animation and Shueisha Publishing Co., Ltd. confirmed during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour that the Dragon Ball Super manga, for which Toriyama was responsible for only the story and character designs, was canon to Toriyama's manga. Toriyama even stated back when the ROF movie came out that he wrote it to be a continuation of the manga as if the manga was still in serialization. That's why most of the fandom have an issue with calling it a seperate continuity, because it isn't. DBS is canon to the original manga.
Dragon Ball canon (正史, seishi; Literally meaning "official history") was first officially defined during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour in an exhibit called the History of Dragon Ball. It was later reaffirmed in December 2018 in Weekly Shōnen Jump.
As of the start of this tour on November 1, 2018, the official canon of Dragon Ball includes Akira Toriyama's original Dragon Ball manga (which composes both Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z in the West) and the Dragon Ball Super manga, which has its story written by Toriyama and artwork drawn by Toyotarō.
Additionally, despite not being adapted by the Dragon Ball Super manga as Dragon Ball Z: God and God was, Toriyama has confirmed that the events of Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F" are a canonical continuation of his manga, as well. He also considers the Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga and its extra chapter, Dragon Ball Minus, to be connected to his series. Most recently, Toriyama added Broly and Gogeta into the Dragon Ball canon with Dragon Ball Super: Broly.
Canon is very much a real thing, and here are the canons, according to the owners of Dragon Ball themselves:
Anime: DB, DB Kai, DBS, DBS Broly, DBS Super Hero, End of Z/Kai
Manga: DB Minus, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball (Z included, as the original manga didn't splinter off like the anime), DBS (the ROF movie is not in the manga but Toriyama says the film is the events that occurred and is referenced in the manga, so the movie is canon to the manga), End of Z's original manga (Note, the Broly movie and Super Hero movie are also both canon to the manga but there are slight differences regarding the versions in the manga compared to those of the anime)
Edit, forgot that the two versions of "History of Trunks" are canon to the anime and manga respectively.
Everything is Canon after Heroes and more importantly Dragonball Online confirmed the existence of multiple timelines. Basically just like comics each of these continuities coexist together and one should not stress too hard trying to make everything fit
Dragon ball online is not canon
Personally i think with all these new different versions of goku, they gotta redo death battle VS Superman. Only cause they always take non canon version of Superman yet only 1 goku
Canon is mostly a fan made concept. That does not mean that there is no continuity at all thought. It just means that only the writers of the show, comic, manga, or any othre media form dictate the what does or does not belong in their continuity. Even if it contridicts past events or makes no sense. So there are bound to be certain pieces of Dragon Ball media that people like that is not in continuity and other pieces of Dragon Ball media that people hate that is in continuity.
if you add up Jaco the galatic patrolman and seeing young Bulma in super, its kinda a fifty fifty, you have to have a great mind to do that. so which timeline are we talking about?
What people need to realize is that canon is not singular. Canon and Continuity is something that go hand to hand, many franchises have multiple continuities (Dragon Ball, Marvel, DC etc etc). Canon simply explain what belongs where whil Continuity explains which is what.
Canon is not dead, it's simply not one thing, they are many canons. Everything that is published by the people who own Dragon Ball is canon, even the video games. They are just different continuities.
Sad. But true.
Hope Goku resurrection Pikkion in new series or flashback of how Bojack got captured and lock up,Keep up awesome and amazing job Qaaman 👍
they're literally doing what mortal kombat 11 did, timelines from other timelines. Quinn, you didn't play mk11?
I own MK11 but haven't played through it fully. I actively played Mk9 and Mk 10 though. Are you talking about Raiden resetting the universe?
@@QaamansLand yes exactly that.
I still haven’t seen the buu acr 😭!
I disagree. I will not be elaborating further.
Please?
@@QaamansLand your first mistake was expecting logic from the Dragon Ball community.
WELCOME to the BASED side💯💯🔥🔥🔥💯💯
Dragon Ball Minus has 2 notable details that are contradictory Bardock's saiyan armor, it is different to what is seen in the flashback frieza has in the manga, and goku wearing saiyan armor on his way to earth and this exact armor has never been seen in any other time in all continuities of Dragon Ball.
Those two thing's doesn't change the aspect of the story whatsoever, that's nitpicking.thats like saying vegeta when first introduced had orange hair now he has black. Doesn't change the story they are telling at all
Of course it's been dead for years. That's why i actively despised db super for so long. As well as anyone who supported it. At some point though you hit that point where it just doesn't matter anymore. The lore is gone, it's not coming back, why worry about it right? Hakuna Matata.
What a wonderful phrase?
@@QaamansLand It ain't no passing craze.
It means no worries?
🐉 🏀 became a sports instead of a anime.
But DBS is a side story of what happened in the few years between killing Pure Buu and the End of Z episode
0:42 they think they Goku and Cell💀💀😭