I took his advice from older videos and did just that. I have two Plano ammo boxes, one with tools and parts and the other with all my fluids (degreaser, tire sealant, chain, lube, etc.). I think these kits are a good way to get some starter tools cheaper, but you will end up with some tools you don't need and some you don't like. For example I have no need for the chain whip and cassette tool. My Sram cassette just pulls straight off with no tools needed. I also don't think you need all of these tools right from the start, just buy them as you need them based on what repairs you end up doing. You might already have some tools that can do the same thing without a specialty tool, a pedal wrench for example.
Exactly, I am currently in a process to build custom tool case with foam inserts... Over the years I colected quite nice tools, so I am adding more to complete the set not just only for the bike, but also for normal maintenance in the household. So in 1-2 years I will have it, no haste :)
i used to be a mechanic for pro teams years ago, now that I'm buying my own tools i have a complete mix of the best tools for myself from quite a few manufacturers, lezyne, shimano, park tool and topeak,after watching this very well put together video i can't help think these tool "kits" are generally more expensive than individually bought tools for your own needs, its strange to me how nobody ever promotes or even talks about Shimano's cable cutters that are, in my experience the best on the market by a long stretch, i popped into the bike shop i used to work in when 14 years old to see how everyone was after 30 years and they were still using the same pair of shimano cable cutters i was using when i worked there, still sharp, still as good as the day they were made, buy cheap tools, buy twice or three times, you've been warned 🤣
Please do a "Bike Tool Kit Improvement Hack" video. You made your kit work by adding your own wrap container. Using a heat gun, velcro straps, magnets, etc. to make the blow molded cases or wraps work better. You have made cheaper tools work better, do it for whole kits. Good housing cutters bring everyone joy, I cut extra scrap pieces just to get that fix! Thanks again!
@@Frostbiker it's not literally about giving his kids bike tool kits. It's just to explain how well things are made to last for a long time. Maybe we can just sell them to someone when we don't need the tools anymore because they are still in great condition and worth to resell
@@Frostbiker Well if you ride a bike, not even being all too dedicated to them, do you like... bring it to a bike shop for every niggle or would you rather have the tools and be able to fix things up real quick? They are good to have.
My take for a beginner hobbyist: buy a cheap kit that has as many bike specific tools as possible. Once you actually end up needing some tool, you will hopefully have it ready. It should get the job done, and you will find out over time which tools you want to upgrade. For non-bike-specific tools, pretty much the same thing but buy from regular tool brands instead and use them for other stuff as well.
Agreed. Get a kit with most of the weird stuff, fill in with basics for anything major that's missing, then just pick up generics for all the normal stuff. As you find certain things break or you want better ones, replace them and cycle (heh) the old ones into a portable kit.
Yep, I would say go for the "Cyclists" one. There is a cheaper kit (20 tool instead of 26, or something like that) for 60-65 ish bucks without a torque wrench, cable cutter and chain checker. Torque wrench and cable cutter is garbage anyway, and I would've preferred if they added chain checker to cheaper kit. But anyway 20-tool kit is exceptional value if you get one during some of those Amazon sales. I am not sure about the US, but in my country I think I got one for the equivalent of 50ish bucks during Prime Sale. Since then I replaced some tools and added some of my own, but most of the tools from the "Cyclists" kit are solid, so I still use them.
I bought the cyclist toolkit on 2021 and it hasn't let me down. The tools are in very good condition still, just that mine didn't come with the same tools as Seth's, but it also was cheaper. 100% recommended for beginner and medium level mechanics
Also have the cyclist toolkit since 2020 and have loved it. Everything in the kit has works well. Funny that Seth raved about the quality but then still only gave it a 2. Also ignored the two big recessed areas in the case that do allow some limited expandability.
@@Sandriell I keep myself a couple extra tools inside. I know why Seth hates blow molded cases but for what it cost you will still have extra money to buy many more tools or replacement parts for your bike
Today I learned you're better off getting most of the tools from regular suppliers and not bike tool companies. Because when you think about it half of the price of those tool kits goes to allen and torx wrench, cable cutters, screwdrivers, etc. Which you could get nice ones for rather cheap and only get the bike specific stuff from bike companies and have a just as nice or nicer kit for a lot less. Like I work on cars and was looking at getting a new ratchet set, was looking at a KS tools one, German brand that is above average while not exceptional, and it's about 100€, 255 pieces in the kit (obviously like 150 of them are small bits including a lot you'll never use), but that's crazy value compared to some of these 400usd kits with a dozen of torx and allen wrenches, cable cutters, and a few bike tools...
I work on cars in the US, and 100% agree. I've had a chance to use some of the bike branded general tools and there is absolutely no reason to buy them unless you want matching brand colors. For anyone getting into working on things I've recommended they just start with walmart general purpose tools until they develop preferences. Harbor Freight is good too, but there wasn't one within 50 miles of me until two months ago.
I've had their cable cutters for years. My advice - buy any premium cycling cutters and ONLY use them for cables. Get some cheap ones/hardware store cutters for zipties, packaging, wires, whatever.
@@losSoCalMTB Why would anyone use a cable cutter on zip ties to begin with? That is such an unhinged thought it's going to haunt my dreams. It's like saying don't use a beaver to chew your zip ties shorter.
@@losSoCalMTB I have but I don't use a cable shear. The cheapest flush cutters work great on zip ties. If you don't have those a knife works as well. A cable shear will leave a small sharp edged piece protruding which is not acceptable to me. I take my zip tie cutting seriously. To be fair your comment correctly said not to use cable shears but I just couldn't imagine anyone even coming up with the idea of using them.
Best value for the money when first getting into at-home bike maintenance is to buy good quality tools as you need them. That way, you have only what you need, and you don't end up with the "cost enhancer" junk tools that come in these complete kits. It took me about two years and $500 to assemble my bicycle tool kit, but it has every tool I need, and every tool is excellent quality. And the joy factor? An easy four.
Yup, every bike tool I own is special to me, all were bought for specific reasons, and cost was only a factor in a few, buying piece meal allows you to buy really nice stuff.
Yep, plus then it's super easy to justify the price of the tools, if tools + parts is less than having a bike shop do the work. Can see the logic in getting a complete ish set if you live a long way from a shop though, nothing worse than starting a job and realizing you don't have the tools to complete it 😅
@@shannontaylor3565 My concern with taking my bike to the shop is not the cost, which I will gladly pay for quality work by a professional, but the fact that it often means I'm without my bike for two or three days.
I've found that I like to start with higher quality tools as needed in any parts that experience significant force, and cheap tools in less demanding areas. A park tool chain breaker is going to beat a cheap one any day, but the allen wrench won't make a difference.
5:47 I use that park multitool more then anything else I own. I've even stripped full bikes with it. I enjoy tossing it in my pocket between uses and never needing to clean up tools, never needing to look for a certain size, I love that multitool. Comes with me on every ride, I love that thing.
Hi Seth. I just wanted to say that I love your videos and watch every new one. I am a biker from Mozambique in Africa but am origonoly from the US. You content is truly inspiring. Thanks for the great content.
@@rhddfgdfdrgd No. You are misinformed and spreading false information. It's Taiwanese. Huge difference. Thanks though. :) This kit blows these out of the water for value.
@@HunterAtheist it may be sold through a distributor from taiwan but i can promise you it's made in china. why do you think you can't find a single word about where it's produced on their website or in the pdf about the tool because I couldn't find it on their website or in the product information. And that's not to say all china tools are bad because almost everything comes from there, it's just a question of price and quality go together and unfortunately it rarely does when the name of the tool is more important than the martial you make it out of, even dewalt mekita festtool etc make useless junk. But each have their strengths in different areas
@@rhddfgdfdrgd Interesting how every single tool was individually wrapped in plastic with "Made in Taiwan" on them, the individual tools all are labeled "Taiwan" on them, and the cardboard box that the whole kit came in also says "Made in Taiwan." Foundation is JensonUSA's in-house brand in which they take BikeHand tools and rebrand them as Foundation. Inside the kit was a patch kit that had JensonUSA branding on it specifically.
Hey Seth. The Foundation bike tool kit from Jensen USA for $110 is a good kit. Plastic tool box, useful tools, the quality is awesome for a beginner home mechanic. Price is hard to beat.
The Birzman Studio Tool Box kit ($375 on sale) comes in a blow-molded case, but a nice one. I'm on a road trip right now, and being able to just "grab and go" is worth the cost to me. I used to rummage through my tool drawers and dump a bunch into a tool box or wrap, but then I had to put them all back when I got home. Also, the Birzman kit comes well equipped with quality tools, including a complete set of Torx wrenches, a dead blow hammer, and a tape measure, plus a chain tool to put all others to shame. Even though I like the Birzman kit, it's really just a pricey convenience that makes life on the road easier. For every day wrenching, I built my own tool set including Unior, Park, Pedros, etc. Bondhus hex wrenches are excellent, and I know you like Feedback Sports' plier wrenches, but for not that much more, Knipex is unequaled.
Thanks for this video! I have a Spin Doctor tool kit that I purchased 20 years ago. It has a full set of hex wrenches (1.5- 8mm) and 3 rounded hexes with plastic handles, a set of cone wrenches (13-19mm), cable cutters, chain tool, spoke wrench, pedal wrench, chain whip, cassette tool, and pedal extractor. The box was the only thing to go and all the tools are still used regularly.
Been following the channel for a couple of weeks and just noticed you are also named Seth! It's a good name! Thanks for taking the time to review these, some look pretty nice. Personally, I like to build my own kit. That way I can pick and choose each tool. Picking each tool separate is nice because you can get the high quality on the tools that need it, and then other tools can be super budget. Also, it's easier on the wallet if you buy a couple here, a couple there, acquiring each tool as needed.
This is a very conventionally timed video. I just got a bunch of new people into mtb this summer and good tools are something that they all need. Very helpful, Seth! Thank you!
I've been wrenching on and building my own mountain bikes since 1985. Started my tool kit with Park Tools. They were far more affordable in the 80's. Lately buying Foundation bike tools. 80% are under $20, and many under $10. Seem very well made. Most auto parts stores carry general tools in a $5.99 and $9.99 bin. Including t- handle hex wrenches, multi bit driver kits. Harbor Freight sells inch pounds/ Newton meter wrenches for under $20. If you're on a limited budget you can put together a useable kit one piece at a time. Alot easier for a beginner mechanic to come up with $5-$20 at a time and get only the tools you need.
I’d watch a video on Seth building a tool wrap! Maybe do it in parts… Must have tools to tune your bike… Now you have some maintenance you need to do… Now you want to put some upgrades on… Wraps are great for a lot of us that don’t have a lot of space. They seem to turn any area into a temporary shop, especially if you have a decent bike stand.
Bought the Feedback sports kit after your last video. It’s brilliant. The fact you can hang it in your work shop and then take it with you to the trails is great.
Not really a brand that can be found in the US and even when it can be its usually double the EU price. There are lots of great brands in that $15-20 range that will blow away what comes in these kits.
@@kz.irudimen Really? I've never seen it and since you put a Euro symbol I just assumed EU and used a generally approximation for EU brands imported. My bad
Decathlon has a version of that unior chain whip, works much better than traditional chain based whip and it’s really high quality for not much money. Pick one up if you can.
We have the decathlon tool in my non-profit bike shop. It's excellent. Works very well and has held up perfectly, unlike the chain whips that have a habit of snapping, even with the parktool one.
I built my tool box out of the Craftsman Versastack modular system. Bottom is 2 drawers, middle is a single open box, top is small bins. I also have the big box bottom with wheels and a handle when I go on a major road trip. System carries tools and spare parts (big and small). The big bottom box can hold tires and other big items. It does not fit under a car seat but it does allow me to fix anything I encounter. I was a pro bike mechanic for 12 years so my kit is built from experience. I look at those pre-made kits as just a starter. If the kit does not have room to expand do not buy it. There is stuff in there you will never need. Cone wrenches? Only if you have an older bike or work in a shop where everything wanders through the door sooner or later. Look at your bike and actually inventory what tools you will need to work on it. I have never, ever seen a pro use one of those "pro" kits. They buy quality basics then build. If you have a carbon fiber bike or parts you will need torque wrenches. If you work on it a lot drop the money on quality tools. Buy a good work stand. I have the Park PCS-4-1. $470. Ouch. Mine is 25 years old. I think it has paid for itself by now. It is robust enough to hold my ebike. I will bet that the tools Seth has in his car and what he has in his shop are only distantly related.
This video got me thinking about the pandemic when I had to start doing my own bike repairs. I decided to spend the money on some really good Park Tool ratchet sets. I didn’t used to get excited about buying tools but the Park Tool kits definitely got me excited and it made servicing my bike a breeze. Listening to Seth complain about blow mold cases, I’m starting to understand why my Father never used them. My Brother and I used to joke how we and our Mother would buy him these really nice tool kits to keep everything organized and every time the tools would just end up in a bucket. He recently remarried and his new Wife, you guessed it, bought him a tool kit for Christmas because she saw he kept all his tools in a bucket and she thought this would be better for him. My Brother and I we both fell out laughing 🤣 🤣🤣.
Love this! I'm a tool junkie, so this was right up my alley. Also a big fan of rolls (the Wolf Tooth is particularly nice). But I'd love to see a price comparison of building your own with genuinely good tools. It's one thing to keep cheap tools you don't worry about getting stolen from your car; it's another to fill the roll with really good tools you love to handle.
I'm a guy that's always wrenched on his car... So I do own a sizeable tool collection.... The thing is I I hate to have to dig through my toolbox to collect the tools I need for field repair or wrenching under the proverbial shade tree. So I got the Park Tool kit a step up above the one you showed. I based my choice on account of the hex wrenches, adjustable wrench and the better chain breaker. I really like that the toolbox is only half full yet still has pretty much everything I need to tear down a Shimano equipped bike... My road bike is all Campy so I had to get some brand specific bits to round up the kit. The cool thing is I only need to grab that one toolbox to do everything I want to do.
I love your videos. They are always entertaining at the least. I would love to see a basic maintenance series. Like is you start with a bike in his order, was to check and fix as you go to keep it that way
Only paid $37 for my Cyclists tool box at the start of the pandemic. However, the tool mix isn't as complete! Missing the cable cutter(already owned one) the box wrench/ chain ring tool had only 2 not three sizes and few other things. I think i got it from alibaba
I can think of two good reasons to have the multi-tools. 1. A person is less likely to overtorque or strip threads or heads because they have less leverage than the dedicated wrenches. 2. If those are your only tools, they'll fit in a pocket or saddle bag. That said they should have torx bits.
Yeah, I think I prefer the multi-tool. I have some dedicated hex wrenches, and over time they've gotten mixed up and/or lost. But, to be fair, I'm just noodling on my own bike that I ride casually - not doing anything serious.
I'm trying to convince the wife that I need to put an order into Unior for their €3500 tool box. I want to open a mobile bike repair shop but she is still saying no 😂😂😂
I agree with you all. I'll get a small client base and keep driving 44toners for now. Then once I feel like I have some savings and it will pay the bills then I'm all in. 😁😁
Specific bike tools - Park Screwdrivers - Wera Allen / Torx keys - Wera Adjustable spanner - Bacho Rachet - Bacho JIS screwdrivers - I use Vessel but other do them, Sealy etc Torque Wrench - many good quality ones available.
Surprised seeing Unior here. They are a Slovenian tooling company not known for their value, but they do have an exceptional quality. Basically any kind of tool you're getting from them is for life. Glad they are selling overseas and I think they can't get enough publicity for their quality.
My “heavy hitters” aka most expensive tools are either Unior or Cyclus Tools. They’re definitely equal to the big name brands if not better. And I like the idea that, as a relatively wealthy western European, I spend my money to support my hardworking, industrious neighbors in central and eastern Europe.
As someone who rides a bike with a freewheel & does their own maintenance the inclusion of a breaker bar is sooo dope and something everyone should have in their tool kit... though I personally enjoy my random seat post I use as a cheater bar.
As a bike mechanic multi-tools are interesting. I can't stand working with them when I have option for normal wrenches, but my co-worker... he is loving his aws-10, all bikes, alt the time, and he swears it is better and more comfortable than standard hxs-1.2 if you stick to it long enough.
horses for courses i suppose,i hate multitools for bike mechanics, especially in a workshop environment, I'm also not a big park tool fan, but that's just me
@@Timtheranger Yea, I get you. I like park tool, but I think it is a little bit overpriced. My fav. is SuperB, it is popular here in europe for value and very high build quality. I don't know how dificult it may be to acquire outsite EU tho.
Tools all have a lot of personal preference to them that takes years to build up and often isn't even objective. I can't stand multitools either when I'm somewhere I could have access to dedicated tools.
The Pedro's Tülio would be a cool addition for review for those still on Quick Release - a Q/R Skewer that has 4mm, 5mm, 6mm, and 8mm hex wrenches, a flathead screwdriver, 1-12 speed compatible chain tool, and 3.23mm and 3.45mm spoke wrenches.
I have a hodge podge mix with some tools going back to the 1990s. The one standout that keeps on ticking and is a total joy is the Park Tool Cable cutters. Mine are at least 20 years old and work as well as day one.
That's the best way to do it. Buy what you need as you need as you need it, don't skimp on quality, and before long, you'll have the best tool kit money can buy.
Downside; you have to stop and wait to get a tool every time you do anything. Furthermore, either you're stuck waiting for tools to arrive from the internet, which takes at least several days, or you have to go buy from an LBS which have extremely awkward hours for anyone who works a normal job and which will probably only stock Parks or Pedros, so you'll have to buy at the high end even if it isn't appropriate for that tool.
I have the unior 1600 home kit and it's awesome. It was on the pricey side but I have peace of mind that the tools aren't going to fail on me. I live 4 hours from the closest bike shop so that was more important to me than being worried about whether I have the right tool or not to do the job.
I actually have a version of that Ozark Trail kit that I bought secondhand in Europe for $20. A great deal for getting most of the tools you need to start out, and I've just slowly replaced anything that doesn't work good enough for me. The case and chain tool are terrible though.
A chain whip is a great place to cheap out, imo. You CAN do a chain whip's job with an old chain and pair of pliers, and even the cheapest chain whip on Earth is a big improvement on that. Conversely, a chain-breaker is a good thing to splurge on, since it's for manipulating small parts (without marring them) and you'll use it much more often.
Recently bought a mountain bike, I’ve really been enjoying your channel. Nice variety of topics and you seem like a very down to earth person. Subscribed. May ask a question once in a while too as I’m new. Thanks.
As someone who grew up working on everything from bicycles and skateboards to motorcycles and automobiles, you should really point out how well the Allen key and torque fit ECT within the hardware commonly on bicycles. The reason I say that is, I have had many different brand tools and not all of them fit 100% in all the hardware, which then causes you to strip it out if you don't know what you are doing. Regardless, love the video.
I bought the Ozark trail toolkit recently to fix my loose hub and my derailleur alignment, I didn't have any tools so for $30 it was a pretty good deal ( like you mentioned ) it was also my first time ever doing any maintenance on my bike, so it felt pretty good to be able to do it myself! but, I will say that the cassette tool with the little "wrench" adapter doesn't really work well though, but it is nice that it's included.
Was a mechanic for many years. I collected some of my favorite tools over the years. A tool must do the job well without fail and not damage the bike. Many of the tools in the review are very low quality. Two sided spoke wrenches tend to strip out nipples. Allen wrenches made from softer metals will strip your bolts. Pedro's makes the best cable cutter. There is no 8mm hex wrench long enough to remove some cranks. I use a socket adapter / impact/ breaker bar for this purpose. I prefer folding keys over individual allens because they don't get lost. There are not many places u need a ball end (exp bottle cages ).
Perhaps Seth has done this before, but what about a video on: What tools people should get first? What tools do what? etc. I think I've been watching Seth since the beginning (Florida days) and I do not recall a video like that.
Thanks Seth, i had started buying individual tools that i needed as i went along, but after looking at that "cyclists" kit off amazon, i think ima just grab that. nice one mate
Feedback sports kit has been with me for 8 years, nothing has broke and rebuilt a bike average 4 per year plus dozens more tuneups. My favorite set by far. Best stands as well.
Awesome video and very timely Seth. I just finished setting up my bike shop area in my garage. I used a combination of Flying Cycles (90s complete tool kit available from Mtn bike action classifieds back in the day) and I purchased a bike Nashbar shop kit around 2013 or so. I have it all laid out on my peg board wall on my bench. I have a performance bike bike stand that uses the bottom bracket as the mount. I need to upgrade to a better one with a clamp for holding bikes by the seat post as my new bigger framed bikes don't fit. But overall I have everything I need besides hydraulic brake tools now.
A couple of years ago I went through my BMX Dirt Jumper and MTB bikes and wrote down ever nut bolt and screw and put together a backpack with a tool for every one of them. Not to wear on rides but to throw in the car. It was 40lbs and I never used anything more than the 15mm to take my front wheels off.😂
You should check out the foundation tool kit. Foundation is a Jenson house brand, so the bang for your buck is up there. I have the $40 basic kit and comes with with almost everything I see in those other kits, with the plus of dedicated hex wrenches. It is a flat case like the Ozark trail, but I like it for a toolkit I can keep in the truck to take to the trailhead
Something to keep in mind with the Unior tools are they are all European made if that matters to you. I'm sure that adds to the cost. The Feedback tools in my experience are exceptional quality as well. I think most people who wrench more than once every 6 months would be really well served by buying individual high quality tools similar to Seth's own roll; it will end up cheaper. My personal "splurge" tools out of the ones shown would be the Feedback bb wrench, the Feedback chain whip, the pedro's cable cutter, the park tools 3 ways. I also highly recommend the color coded Wera hexplus hex wrenches for $35.
I kind of like the molded tool kit, I have a bike hand starter kit that came decently stocked. The mold keeps me organized and I know if something is missing. I've had to add some stuff, better bike chain tool, a bottom bracket tool, press fit tool, and a torque wrench. The kit that came with my intense bike to put it together was actually pretty good too.
I’ve had a Pedro’s multitool for…like 25-30 years. It has that same chain breaker in it, so you’re right that’s what it’s designed for. I’m almost certain I’ve never used that chain breaker.
I have the cyclists toolkit from Amazon and mine came with more tools for only 60 dollars. The tools are kinda cheap and if you aren’t careful they can scratch stuff but if you don’t care about small scratches that no one will see it’s a great value.
I have to defend the park tool hex key multitool. It's my go to tool 90% of the time, but I agree that in the other 10% its nice to have a T handle hex key where you need more leverage or longer shaft to reach into an awkward position. But for a beginner it's a great tool that can be supplemented later.
I actually prefer your tool wrap, Seth, over the Unior one, give me buckles that you can relatively easily replace and expand over velcro that (in my experience) always wears out, any day! Great video, always love watching your content :)
Feedback also has a nice "ride prep" set that has the essentials needs for a quick bike check, and its super portable and small so it can be thrown under a seat or compartment for $130
my bike tool kit has turned into a huge Home Depot Husky toolbox that weighs about 60lbs lol. But I have things like star nut install tools, headset cup press, a rubber mallet and a regular hammer a good set of metal files and a nice heavy duty pipe cutter tool (for steerer tubes and handlebars) in it. It's actually getting to the point where I'm going to need a bigger toolbox because some of my regular tools are getting mixed in with the bike tools. Plus, there's a ton of tools I have that I only used once like a freewheel removal tool and an entire set of cone wrenches that aren't needed for modern bikes, but I use once in a while on my 2nd bike.
I'm glad that you posted this video. I just need something to have in the car when I'm off to a ride. I think that I can get away with the OZARK TRAIL tool kit. Although, I'd rather have a general toolbox than the "dedicated" slots. The toolbox can be very basic also.
Rating stuff with a variety of 4 is such a good idea. From 5 you always teeter between 3 or 2 and at that point there isn't much difference if you gave it a 1 or a 4. Excellent stuff, I give the 4-rating a 4.
I enjoy the quality of your videos. I'm watching some of your stuff I'm not even really interested in, like this one, just because the effort that's put into it. Good job, Dude. I'm going to buy some merch just because.
I've had a lot of cheap bike kits, for anyone getting into it I haven't seen any under $150 better than the Cyclists kit. A bit hit or miss, but chuck it in a regular $20 tool box and it rivals much more expensive kits.
25:53 i think you're onto something! i would definitely buy a berm peak complete toolkit as well as smaller toolkits to take on my bike with me. your videos are always so thoughtful and have inspired me over the past year to learn to fix and repair my own bikes instead of taking to the bike shop every time I have a problem. figuring out a lot of these issues as they happened to me has been a bit tricky and there are so many tools out there its hard to figure out what to buy most of the time. harbor freight has been a big help in putting together a toolkit for me that can work on a budget. maybe you could do some harbor freight reviews? i love their icon wrench mini kit I use it on all my bikes.
I've used a park tool Allen key multi tool since last century. It's my go to for Allen keys. I've got plenty of individual Allen keys but the multi tool always is the right size and the handle give ple ty of torque.
One option would be to get the tool roll you used to use with a set that comes with a blow molded case or just buy a decent little tool box like a Plano. I'm intrigued by the Cyclist set as a value pick.
I have a wall mounted blow moulded plastic Teng toolkit that I was lucky enough to win in a competition around 37 years ago (thanks to MCN). The case is now beginning to fall apart and it's a pain to press the tools back into their positions so I can see why Seth prefers a tool wrap (got the same for my kitchen knives). As my old bike tools don't fit some modern parts, I've been buying individual tools from Park and others for my bike and my DH mad 15 year old son. Some of the best low cost tools have come from Decathlon. Cassette tool (not a chain whip but a hard wrench like Seth used) and cutters are some of the best I've had
I use a cheap tackle box style plastic box so it doesn't rattle in the trunk and a mix of Wera, Park,Topeak and Harbor Freight tools. It's mainly for Bike only tools and spares. I also keep a sealed box for fluids and lubes. 2 small tool boxes and a box of spare parts for longer trips and I'm out the door.
the multi tool hex wrenches need to be tested. if you try to remove your wheels do they twist? you need to also test the tools to confirm the quality of the tools.
I’m into a project to upgrade a bike to learn mechanics. Started with a kit like the Ozark and oh boy, soon I found it was a bad idea!! The Unior wrap looks awesome, I wasn’t happy with my toolbox but couldn’t think of a replacement until I saw Unior’s wrap. Gotta get one 😅
I had the equivalent of the cheap one (3rd one in the moulded tool box). It was a “Repco” toolbox. It was ok for when I was a beginner. I slowly replaced all the tools as I learnt what I needed. The bottom bracket/chain whip I would still use today, but I can’t find it. It is ok, the cone wrenches are ok, but I’ve replaced those too. It’s a good start, but you’ll replace them all if you keep going.
Moral of the story with any tools: Start with the basics and build out as needed over time... 👍
@@roypennock8046 I like to say, buy the best you can afford. When you can afford better, buy better.
I took his advice from older videos and did just that. I have two Plano ammo boxes, one with tools and parts and the other with all my fluids (degreaser, tire sealant, chain, lube, etc.). I think these kits are a good way to get some starter tools cheaper, but you will end up with some tools you don't need and some you don't like. For example I have no need for the chain whip and cassette tool. My Sram cassette just pulls straight off with no tools needed. I also don't think you need all of these tools right from the start, just buy them as you need them based on what repairs you end up doing. You might already have some tools that can do the same thing without a specialty tool, a pedal wrench for example.
Exactly, I am currently in a process to build custom tool case with foam inserts... Over the years I colected quite nice tools, so I am adding more to complete the set not just only for the bike, but also for normal maintenance in the household. So in 1-2 years I will have it, no haste :)
Amazing, thanks for not wasting 36 minutes of my time.
i used to be a mechanic for pro teams years ago, now that I'm buying my own tools i have a complete mix of the best tools for myself from quite a few manufacturers, lezyne, shimano, park tool and topeak,after watching this very well put together video i can't help think these tool "kits" are generally more expensive than individually bought tools for your own needs, its strange to me how nobody ever promotes or even talks about Shimano's cable cutters that are, in my experience the best on the market by a long stretch, i popped into the bike shop i used to work in when 14 years old to see how everyone was after 30 years and they were still using the same pair of shimano cable cutters i was using when i worked there, still sharp, still as good as the day they were made, buy cheap tools, buy twice or three times, you've been warned 🤣
Also a thing to consider is do I need a tool that good considering I will not be using the tool very often compared to a bike shop.
@@Durwood71 nope
@@00mazone its not about using in a shop as such, it's about it being shop quality
@@Timtheranger Why "nope"?
@@Durwood71 Not for steel cables
Please do a "Bike Tool Kit Improvement Hack" video. You made your kit work by adding your own wrap container. Using a heat gun, velcro straps, magnets, etc. to make the blow molded cases or wraps work better. You have made cheaper tools work better, do it for whole kits. Good housing cutters bring everyone joy, I cut extra scrap pieces just to get that fix! Thanks again!
He mentions passing them down to his kids so much. I have to imagine when his kids grow up, they're each going to get multiple bike tool kits
They may not even like bikes when they grow up!
@@Frostbiker it's not literally about giving his kids bike tool kits. It's just to explain how well things are made to last for a long time. Maybe we can just sell them to someone when we don't need the tools anymore because they are still in great condition and worth to resell
@@Frostbiker Well if you ride a bike, not even being all too dedicated to them, do you like... bring it to a bike shop for every niggle or would you rather have the tools and be able to fix things up real quick? They are good to have.
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My take for a beginner hobbyist: buy a cheap kit that has as many bike specific tools as possible. Once you actually end up needing some tool, you will hopefully have it ready. It should get the job done, and you will find out over time which tools you want to upgrade.
For non-bike-specific tools, pretty much the same thing but buy from regular tool brands instead and use them for other stuff as well.
Agreed. Get a kit with most of the weird stuff, fill in with basics for anything major that's missing, then just pick up generics for all the normal stuff. As you find certain things break or you want better ones, replace them and cycle (heh) the old ones into a portable kit.
Yep, I would say go for the "Cyclists" one. There is a cheaper kit (20 tool instead of 26, or something like that) for 60-65 ish bucks without a torque wrench, cable cutter and chain checker. Torque wrench and cable cutter is garbage anyway, and I would've preferred if they added chain checker to cheaper kit. But anyway 20-tool kit is exceptional value if you get one during some of those Amazon sales. I am not sure about the US, but in my country I think I got one for the equivalent of 50ish bucks during Prime Sale. Since then I replaced some tools and added some of my own, but most of the tools from the "Cyclists" kit are solid, so I still use them.
I totally agree
8 kits?! Nearly 40 minutes? No Brompton?!
This is my Super Bowl.
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My usual philosophy with tools is buy cheap ones and replace the ones that break with high quality ones since you used them more often.
I bought the cyclist toolkit on 2021 and it hasn't let me down. The tools are in very good condition still, just that mine didn't come with the same tools as Seth's, but it also was cheaper. 100% recommended for beginner and medium level mechanics
Also have the cyclist toolkit since 2020 and have loved it. Everything in the kit has works well. Funny that Seth raved about the quality but then still only gave it a 2. Also ignored the two big recessed areas in the case that do allow some limited expandability.
@@Sandriell I keep myself a couple extra tools inside. I know why Seth hates blow molded cases but for what it cost you will still have extra money to buy many more tools or replacement parts for your bike
Today I learned you're better off getting most of the tools from regular suppliers and not bike tool companies.
Because when you think about it half of the price of those tool kits goes to allen and torx wrench, cable cutters, screwdrivers, etc. Which you could get nice ones for rather cheap and only get the bike specific stuff from bike companies and have a just as nice or nicer kit for a lot less.
Like I work on cars and was looking at getting a new ratchet set, was looking at a KS tools one, German brand that is above average while not exceptional, and it's about 100€, 255 pieces in the kit (obviously like 150 of them are small bits including a lot you'll never use), but that's crazy value compared to some of these 400usd kits with a dozen of torx and allen wrenches, cable cutters, and a few bike tools...
I was going to say this, only buy specialty tools from bike brands, get everything else from harbor freight.
I work on cars in the US, and 100% agree. I've had a chance to use some of the bike branded general tools and there is absolutely no reason to buy them unless you want matching brand colors. For anyone getting into working on things I've recommended they just start with walmart general purpose tools until they develop preferences. Harbor Freight is good too, but there wasn't one within 50 miles of me until two months ago.
I buy whatever Pedro’s that I can. Working in a shop they are one of the few tool companies that take care of us. Their cassette vise is legit.
I've had their cable cutters for years. My advice - buy any premium cycling cutters and ONLY use them for cables. Get some cheap ones/hardware store cutters for zipties, packaging, wires, whatever.
@@losSoCalMTB Why would anyone use a cable cutter on zip ties to begin with? That is such an unhinged thought it's going to haunt my dreams. It's like saying don't use a beaver to chew your zip ties shorter.
You’ve never had to cut a zip tie off?
@@losSoCalMTB I have but I don't use a cable shear. The cheapest flush cutters work great on zip ties. If you don't have those a knife works as well. A cable shear will leave a small sharp edged piece protruding which is not acceptable to me. I take my zip tie cutting seriously. To be fair your comment correctly said not to use cable shears but I just couldn't imagine anyone even coming up with the idea of using them.
@@frankthetankricard You can't imagine someone with a thing that cuts when you squeeze it cutting a zip tie? Truly "unhinged"
A super long video nerding out about tools?? God dang Seth thank you!
Would love to see your take on “really designing a tool kit”
Best value for the money when first getting into at-home bike maintenance is to buy good quality tools as you need them. That way, you have only what you need, and you don't end up with the "cost enhancer" junk tools that come in these complete kits. It took me about two years and $500 to assemble my bicycle tool kit, but it has every tool I need, and every tool is excellent quality. And the joy factor? An easy four.
Yup, every bike tool I own is special to me, all were bought for specific reasons, and cost was only a factor in a few, buying piece meal allows you to buy really nice stuff.
Yep, plus then it's super easy to justify the price of the tools, if tools + parts is less than having a bike shop do the work.
Can see the logic in getting a complete ish set if you live a long way from a shop though, nothing worse than starting a job and realizing you don't have the tools to complete it 😅
@@shannontaylor3565 My concern with taking my bike to the shop is not the cost, which I will gladly pay for quality work by a professional, but the fact that it often means I'm without my bike for two or three days.
Yup, this sounds like a generic Amazon review.
I've found that I like to start with higher quality tools as needed in any parts that experience significant force, and cheap tools in less demanding areas. A park tool chain breaker is going to beat a cheap one any day, but the allen wrench won't make a difference.
23:50 "... Booooooyyy..."
What a silly dad joke. I allow it 😁🤣
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5:47 I use that park multitool more then anything else I own. I've even stripped full bikes with it. I enjoy tossing it in my pocket between uses and never needing to clean up tools, never needing to look for a certain size, I love that multitool. Comes with me on every ride, I love that thing.
Hi Seth. I just wanted to say that I love your videos and watch every new one. I am a biker from Mozambique in Africa but am origonoly from the US. You content is truly inspiring. Thanks for the great content.
I recently bought a Jensen USA tool kit, 80 bucks and it had double the tools from most of these , love it
Same.
@@HunterAtheist jensen usa tool kit made in china. And yes i did look it up you did just buy a wish tool set congratulations to you both
@@rhddfgdfdrgd No. You are misinformed and spreading false information. It's Taiwanese. Huge difference. Thanks though. :) This kit blows these out of the water for value.
@@HunterAtheist it may be sold through a distributor from taiwan but i can promise you it's made in china. why do you think you can't find a single word about where it's produced on their website or in the pdf about the tool because I couldn't find it on their website or in the product information. And that's not to say all china tools are bad because almost everything comes from there, it's just a question of price and quality go together and unfortunately it rarely does when the name of the tool is more important than the martial you make it out of, even dewalt mekita festtool etc make useless junk. But each have their strengths in different areas
@@rhddfgdfdrgd Interesting how every single tool was individually wrapped in plastic with "Made in Taiwan" on them, the individual tools all are labeled "Taiwan" on them, and the cardboard box that the whole kit came in also says "Made in Taiwan."
Foundation is JensonUSA's in-house brand in which they take BikeHand tools and rebrand them as Foundation. Inside the kit was a patch kit that had JensonUSA branding on it specifically.
Hey Seth. The Foundation bike tool kit from Jensen USA for $110 is a good kit. Plastic tool box, useful tools, the quality is awesome for a beginner home mechanic. Price is hard to beat.
The Birzman Studio Tool Box kit ($375 on sale) comes in a blow-molded case, but a nice one. I'm on a road trip right now, and being able to just "grab and go" is worth the cost to me. I used to rummage through my tool drawers and dump a bunch into a tool box or wrap, but then I had to put them all back when I got home. Also, the Birzman kit comes well equipped with quality tools, including a complete set of Torx wrenches, a dead blow hammer, and a tape measure, plus a chain tool to put all others to shame.
Even though I like the Birzman kit, it's really just a pricey convenience that makes life on the road easier. For every day wrenching, I built my own tool set including Unior, Park, Pedros, etc. Bondhus hex wrenches are excellent, and I know you like Feedback Sports' plier wrenches, but for not that much more, Knipex is unequaled.
Berm Peak Express, awesome content keep it up bro
Thanks for this video!
I have a Spin Doctor tool kit that I purchased 20 years ago. It has a full set of hex wrenches (1.5- 8mm) and 3 rounded hexes with plastic handles, a set of cone wrenches (13-19mm), cable cutters, chain tool, spoke wrench, pedal wrench, chain whip, cassette tool, and pedal extractor. The box was the only thing to go and all the tools are still used regularly.
Been following the channel for a couple of weeks and just noticed you are also named Seth! It's a good name! Thanks for taking the time to review these, some look pretty nice. Personally, I like to build my own kit. That way I can pick and choose each tool. Picking each tool separate is nice because you can get the high quality on the tools that need it, and then other tools can be super budget. Also, it's easier on the wallet if you buy a couple here, a couple there, acquiring each tool as needed.
Pedros is genuinely just a quality comapny, their tools have never failed me
This is a very conventionally timed video. I just got a bunch of new people into mtb this summer and good tools are something that they all need. Very helpful, Seth! Thank you!
I've been wrenching on and building my own mountain bikes since 1985.
Started my tool kit with Park Tools. They were far more affordable in the 80's.
Lately buying Foundation bike tools. 80% are under $20, and many under $10. Seem very well made.
Most auto parts stores carry general tools in a $5.99 and $9.99 bin. Including t- handle hex wrenches, multi bit driver kits. Harbor Freight sells inch pounds/ Newton meter wrenches for under $20.
If you're on a limited budget you can put together a useable kit one piece at a time. Alot easier for a beginner mechanic to come up with $5-$20 at a time and get only the tools you need.
I’d watch a video on Seth building a tool wrap! Maybe do it in parts…
Must have tools to tune your bike…
Now you have some maintenance you need to do…
Now you want to put some upgrades on…
Wraps are great for a lot of us that don’t have a lot of space. They seem to turn any area into a temporary shop, especially if you have a decent bike stand.
Bought the Feedback sports kit after your last video. It’s brilliant. The fact you can hang it in your work shop and then take it with you to the trails is great.
Jenson’s house brand Foundation has a $108 kit that’s often on sale for $70. I think it would be a contender for future reviews
I SEEN YOU WITH BIKES AND BEARDS BLESS YOUR HEART SETH WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU. WE NEED PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE!! STAY SAFE BROTHER
Feedback and the Cyclist kit were my favorites. Feedback for quality and packaging and Cyclist kit for crazy good price/value.
For the hex wrenches, just add a 15$/€ Bondhus set to your kit and you get some of the absolute best, used by many many machinists out there
Not really a brand that can be found in the US and even when it can be its usually double the EU price. There are lots of great brands in that $15-20 range that will blow away what comes in these kits.
@@dontworry1302 What ? Bondhus is an american brand, their hex wrenches are made in the US. WTF are you on about.
@@kz.irudimen Really? I've never seen it and since you put a Euro symbol I just assumed EU and used a generally approximation for EU brands imported. My bad
@@dontworry1302 I put both a $ and € because I know they cost about the same in the US and in Europe. They're everywhere. Ask any machinist.
@@kz.irudimen Bizarre, checked all the hardware stores in my area and none are listed.
Decathlon has a version of that unior chain whip, works much better than traditional chain based whip and it’s really high quality for not much money. Pick one up if you can.
I wish decathlon was a thing where I live.
PRO (Shimano) has one too for around 20€
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We have the decathlon tool in my non-profit bike shop. It's excellent. Works very well and has held up perfectly, unlike the chain whips that have a habit of snapping, even with the parktool one.
as far as i know you need different tool for shimano than sram, which is not the case with chain whip
I built my tool box out of the Craftsman Versastack modular system. Bottom is 2 drawers, middle is a single open box, top is small bins. I also have the big box bottom with wheels and a handle when I go on a major road trip. System carries tools and spare parts (big and small). The big bottom box can hold tires and other big items. It does not fit under a car seat but it does allow me to fix anything I encounter. I was a pro bike mechanic for 12 years so my kit is built from experience. I look at those pre-made kits as just a starter. If the kit does not have room to expand do not buy it. There is stuff in there you will never need. Cone wrenches? Only if you have an older bike or work in a shop where everything wanders through the door sooner or later. Look at your bike and actually inventory what tools you will need to work on it. I have never, ever seen a pro use one of those "pro" kits. They buy quality basics then build. If you have a carbon fiber bike or parts you will need torque wrenches. If you work on it a lot drop the money on quality tools. Buy a good work stand. I have the Park PCS-4-1. $470. Ouch. Mine is 25 years old. I think it has paid for itself by now. It is robust enough to hold my ebike. I will bet that the tools Seth has in his car and what he has in his shop are only distantly related.
This video got me thinking about the pandemic when I had to start doing my own bike repairs. I decided to spend the money on some really good Park Tool ratchet sets. I didn’t used to get excited about buying tools but the Park Tool kits definitely got me excited and it made servicing my bike a breeze.
Listening to Seth complain about blow mold cases, I’m starting to understand why my Father never used them. My Brother and I used to joke how we and our Mother would buy him these really nice tool kits to keep everything organized and every time the tools would just end up in a bucket. He recently remarried and his new Wife, you guessed it, bought him a tool kit for Christmas because she saw he kept all his tools in a bucket and she thought this would be better for him. My Brother and I we both fell out laughing 🤣 🤣🤣.
Love this! I'm a tool junkie, so this was right up my alley. Also a big fan of rolls (the Wolf Tooth is particularly nice).
But I'd love to see a price comparison of building your own with genuinely good tools. It's one thing to keep cheap tools you don't worry about getting stolen from your car; it's another to fill the roll with really good tools you love to handle.
These videos are so well done, Seth. Thank you for all the work that goes into this - you are in the 1%!
Unior is the loca legend! I am glad that i finaly see it on Berm Peak!
Love it! Great work as always. Enjoyed the comparison between high, middle of the road, and low end price for value kits.
I'm a guy that's always wrenched on his car... So I do own a sizeable tool collection.... The thing is I I hate to have to dig through my toolbox to collect the tools I need for field repair or wrenching under the proverbial shade tree. So I got the Park Tool kit a step up above the one you showed. I based my choice on account of the hex wrenches, adjustable wrench and the better chain breaker. I really like that the toolbox is only half full yet still has pretty much everything I need to tear down a Shimano equipped bike... My road bike is all Campy so I had to get some brand specific bits to round up the kit. The cool thing is I only need to grab that one toolbox to do everything I want to do.
Love this video Seth, love all your vids about tools, hacks, and bike parts, hope you make more!
I love your videos. They are always entertaining at the least. I would love to see a basic maintenance series. Like is you start with a bike in his order, was to check and fix as you go to keep it that way
Only paid $37 for my Cyclists tool box at the start of the pandemic. However, the tool mix isn't as complete! Missing the cable cutter(already owned one) the box wrench/ chain ring tool had only 2 not three sizes and few other things. I think i got it from alibaba
I can think of two good reasons to have the multi-tools.
1. A person is less likely to overtorque or strip threads or heads because they have less leverage than the dedicated wrenches.
2. If those are your only tools, they'll fit in a pocket or saddle bag.
That said they should have torx bits.
Yeah, I think I prefer the multi-tool. I have some dedicated hex wrenches, and over time they've gotten mixed up and/or lost. But, to be fair, I'm just noodling on my own bike that I ride casually - not doing anything serious.
I've been waiting for this! Thanks for looking at all these kits
I'm trying to convince the wife that I need to put an order into Unior for their €3500 tool box. I want to open a mobile bike repair shop but she is still saying no 😂😂😂
Just say you've got to spend money to make money 🤣
well with time itll pay for itself I think, so if you have enough traffic, its worth it
It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. Enjoy your new tools.
I agree with you all. I'll get a small client base and keep driving 44toners for now. Then once I feel like I have some savings and it will pay the bills then I'm all in. 😁😁
Are you really planning to open a mobile bike repair shop, or is that just what you're telling your wife?
The Feedback Sports set was recently on sale at R.E.I. for 20% or perhaps even 25% off. Keep up the good work, Seth.
Always appreciate you taking the time to give us your honest opinion on products! 👍
Specific bike tools - Park
Screwdrivers - Wera
Allen / Torx keys - Wera
Adjustable spanner - Bacho
Rachet - Bacho
JIS screwdrivers - I use Vessel but other do them, Sealy etc
Torque Wrench - many good quality ones available.
Perfect timing. Just getting into repairing bikes, and am quickly realising I need some specialty tools.
Surprised seeing Unior here. They are a Slovenian tooling company not known for their value, but they do have an exceptional quality. Basically any kind of tool you're getting from them is for life. Glad they are selling overseas and I think they can't get enough publicity for their quality.
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My “heavy hitters” aka most expensive tools are either Unior or Cyclus Tools. They’re definitely equal to the big name brands if not better. And I like the idea that, as a relatively wealthy western European, I spend my money to support my hardworking, industrious neighbors in central and eastern Europe.
@@Gen.Tomsky I salute you, sir!
As someone who rides a bike with a freewheel & does their own maintenance the inclusion of a breaker bar is sooo dope and something everyone should have in their tool kit... though I personally enjoy my random seat post I use as a cheater bar.
As a bike mechanic multi-tools are interesting. I can't stand working with them when I have option for normal wrenches, but my co-worker... he is loving his aws-10, all bikes, alt the time, and he swears it is better and more comfortable than standard hxs-1.2 if you stick to it long enough.
horses for courses i suppose,i hate multitools for bike mechanics, especially in a workshop environment, I'm also not a big park tool fan, but that's just me
@@Timtheranger Yea, I get you. I like park tool, but I think it is a little bit overpriced. My fav. is SuperB, it is popular here in europe for value and very high build quality. I don't know how dificult it may be to acquire outsite EU tho.
Tools all have a lot of personal preference to them that takes years to build up and often isn't even objective. I can't stand multitools either when I'm somewhere I could have access to dedicated tools.
Unior tire lever are the best I ever had
I install a lot of inserts and they work great
The Pedro's Tülio would be a cool addition for review for those still on Quick Release - a Q/R Skewer that has 4mm, 5mm, 6mm, and 8mm hex wrenches, a flathead screwdriver, 1-12 speed compatible chain tool, and 3.23mm and 3.45mm spoke wrenches.
I have a hodge podge mix with some tools going back to the 1990s. The one standout that keeps on ticking and is a total joy is the Park Tool Cable cutters. Mine are at least 20 years old and work as well as day one.
This video has big Project Farm energy
With zero testing.
20/20 value: gradually building a collection of tools as you need them for your bike and then buying an empty container to shove them in
That's the best way to do it. Buy what you need as you need as you need it, don't skimp on quality, and before long, you'll have the best tool kit money can buy.
Downside; you have to stop and wait to get a tool every time you do anything. Furthermore, either you're stuck waiting for tools to arrive from the internet, which takes at least several days, or you have to go buy from an LBS which have extremely awkward hours for anyone who works a normal job and which will probably only stock Parks or Pedros, so you'll have to buy at the high end even if it isn't appropriate for that tool.
I have the unior 1600 home kit and it's awesome. It was on the pricey side but I have peace of mind that the tools aren't going to fail on me. I live 4 hours from the closest bike shop so that was more important to me than being worried about whether I have the right tool or not to do the job.
I actually have a version of that Ozark Trail kit that I bought secondhand in Europe for $20. A great deal for getting most of the tools you need to start out, and I've just slowly replaced anything that doesn't work good enough for me. The case and chain tool are terrible though.
A chain whip is a great place to cheap out, imo. You CAN do a chain whip's job with an old chain and pair of pliers, and even the cheapest chain whip on Earth is a big improvement on that. Conversely, a chain-breaker is a good thing to splurge on, since it's for manipulating small parts (without marring them) and you'll use it much more often.
Recently bought a mountain bike, I’ve really been enjoying your channel. Nice variety of topics and you seem like a very down to earth person. Subscribed. May ask a question once in a while too as I’m new. Thanks.
As someone who grew up working on everything from bicycles and skateboards to motorcycles and automobiles, you should really point out how well the Allen key and torque fit ECT within the hardware commonly on bicycles. The reason I say that is, I have had many different brand tools and not all of them fit 100% in all the hardware, which then causes you to strip it out if you don't know what you are doing. Regardless, love the video.
I bought the Ozark trail toolkit recently to fix my loose hub and my derailleur alignment, I didn't have any tools so for $30 it was a pretty good deal ( like you mentioned ) it was also my first time ever doing any maintenance on my bike, so it felt pretty good to be able to do it myself! but, I will say that the cassette tool with the little "wrench" adapter doesn't really work well though, but it is nice that it's included.
Was a mechanic for many years. I collected some of my favorite tools over the years. A tool must do the job well without fail and not damage the bike. Many of the tools in the review are very low quality. Two sided spoke wrenches tend to strip out nipples. Allen wrenches made from softer metals will strip your bolts. Pedro's makes the best cable cutter. There is no 8mm hex wrench long enough to remove some cranks. I use a socket adapter / impact/ breaker bar for this purpose. I prefer folding keys over individual allens because they don't get lost. There are not many places u need a ball end (exp bottle cages ).
Perhaps Seth has done this before, but what about a video on: What tools people should get first? What tools do what? etc. I think I've been watching Seth since the beginning (Florida days) and I do not recall a video like that.
Thanks Seth, i had started buying individual tools that i needed as i went along, but after looking at that "cyclists" kit off amazon, i think ima just grab that. nice one mate
Feedback sports kit has been with me for 8 years, nothing has broke and rebuilt a bike average 4 per year plus dozens more tuneups. My favorite set by far. Best stands as well.
Awesome video and very timely Seth. I just finished setting up my bike shop area in my garage. I used a combination of Flying Cycles (90s complete tool kit available from Mtn bike action classifieds back in the day) and I purchased a bike Nashbar shop kit around 2013 or so. I have it all laid out on my peg board wall on my bench. I have a performance bike bike stand that uses the bottom bracket as the mount. I need to upgrade to a better one with a clamp for holding bikes by the seat post as my new bigger framed bikes don't fit.
But overall I have everything I need besides hydraulic brake tools now.
A couple of years ago I went through my BMX Dirt Jumper and MTB bikes and wrote down ever nut bolt and screw and put together a backpack with a tool for every one of them. Not to wear on rides but to throw in the car. It was 40lbs and I never used anything more than the 15mm to take my front wheels off.😂
You should check out the foundation tool kit. Foundation is a Jenson house brand, so the bang for your buck is up there. I have the $40 basic kit and comes with with almost everything I see in those other kits, with the plus of dedicated hex wrenches. It is a flat case like the Ozark trail, but I like it for a toolkit I can keep in the truck to take to the trailhead
Unior is the goat. My grandfather has some Unior tools that are over 50 years old and they still work like new.
Something to keep in mind with the Unior tools are they are all European made if that matters to you. I'm sure that adds to the cost. The Feedback tools in my experience are exceptional quality as well. I think most people who wrench more than once every 6 months would be really well served by buying individual high quality tools similar to Seth's own roll; it will end up cheaper. My personal "splurge" tools out of the ones shown would be the Feedback bb wrench, the Feedback chain whip, the pedro's cable cutter, the park tools 3 ways. I also highly recommend the color coded Wera hexplus hex wrenches for $35.
The small screwdriver in the third kit fits JIS very well, mine has been heavily used for several years now.
I kind of like the molded tool kit, I have a bike hand starter kit that came decently stocked. The mold keeps me organized and I know if something is missing. I've had to add some stuff, better bike chain tool, a bottom bracket tool, press fit tool, and a torque wrench. The kit that came with my intense bike to put it together was actually pretty good too.
Great reviews! Would have love to see one or two high end toolboxes thrown in there too.
I’ve had a Pedro’s multitool for…like 25-30 years. It has that same chain breaker in it, so you’re right that’s what it’s designed for.
I’m almost certain I’ve never used that chain breaker.
Dude what the heckkkk, this video has been tracking my recent amazon searches. Just bought a bike and was looking at kits to get me started
Try talking about something random near your phone or smart tv and then see how long it takes before you start seeing advertisements for it.
I have the cyclists toolkit from Amazon and mine came with more tools for only 60 dollars. The tools are kinda cheap and if you aren’t careful they can scratch stuff but if you don’t care about small scratches that no one will see it’s a great value.
I have to defend the park tool hex key multitool. It's my go to tool 90% of the time, but I agree that in the other 10% its nice to have a T handle hex key where you need more leverage or longer shaft to reach into an awkward position. But for a beginner it's a great tool that can be supplemented later.
I actually prefer your tool wrap, Seth, over the Unior one, give me buckles that you can relatively easily replace and expand over velcro that (in my experience) always wears out, any day! Great video, always love watching your content :)
Love the $30 kit because I already have good cable cutters and torx on my multi tool ❤ 2nd 🥈 is the diy wrap. 3rd 🥉 is amazon
Always looking forward to his vids every week
Feedback also has a nice "ride prep" set that has the essentials needs for a quick bike check, and its super portable and small so it can be thrown under a seat or compartment for $130
my bike tool kit has turned into a huge Home Depot Husky toolbox that weighs about 60lbs lol. But I have things like star nut install tools, headset cup press, a rubber mallet and a regular hammer a good set of metal files and a nice heavy duty pipe cutter tool (for steerer tubes and handlebars) in it. It's actually getting to the point where I'm going to need a bigger toolbox because some of my regular tools are getting mixed in with the bike tools. Plus, there's a ton of tools I have that I only used once like a freewheel removal tool and an entire set of cone wrenches that aren't needed for modern bikes, but I use once in a while on my 2nd bike.
I'm glad that you posted this video. I just need something to have in the car when I'm off to a ride. I think that I can get away with the OZARK TRAIL tool kit. Although, I'd rather have a general toolbox than the "dedicated" slots. The toolbox can be very basic also.
Rating stuff with a variety of 4 is such a good idea. From 5 you always teeter between 3 or 2 and at that point there isn't much difference if you gave it a 1 or a 4.
Excellent stuff, I give the 4-rating a 4.
I enjoy the quality of your videos. I'm watching some of your stuff I'm not even really interested in, like this one, just because the effort that's put into it. Good job, Dude. I'm going to buy some merch just because.
I got that $200 Union tool set for $26 when PlanetCyclery was closing down. Great deal.
I have the Cyclist kit you showed and so far, it's been great!
In the market for tools, and this cleared things up. Thanks, bud!
I've had a lot of cheap bike kits, for anyone getting into it I haven't seen any under $150 better than the Cyclists kit. A bit hit or miss, but chuck it in a regular $20 tool box and it rivals much more expensive kits.
25:53 i think you're onto something! i would definitely buy a berm peak complete toolkit as well as smaller toolkits to take on my bike with me. your videos are always so thoughtful and have inspired me over the past year to learn to fix and repair my own bikes instead of taking to the bike shop every time I have a problem. figuring out a lot of these issues as they happened to me has been a bit tricky and there are so many tools out there its hard to figure out what to buy most of the time.
harbor freight has been a big help in putting together a toolkit for me that can work on a budget. maybe you could do some harbor freight reviews? i love their icon wrench mini kit I use it on all my bikes.
I've used a park tool Allen key multi tool since last century. It's my go to for Allen keys. I've got plenty of individual Allen keys but the multi tool always is the right size and the handle give ple ty of torque.
One option would be to get the tool roll you used to use with a set that comes with a blow molded case or just buy a decent little tool box like a Plano.
I'm intrigued by the Cyclist set as a value pick.
I have a wall mounted blow moulded plastic Teng toolkit that I was lucky enough to win in a competition around 37 years ago (thanks to MCN). The case is now beginning to fall apart and it's a pain to press the tools back into their positions so I can see why Seth prefers a tool wrap (got the same for my kitchen knives). As my old bike tools don't fit some modern parts, I've been buying individual tools from Park and others for my bike and my DH mad 15 year old son. Some of the best low cost tools have come from Decathlon. Cassette tool (not a chain whip but a hard wrench like Seth used) and cutters are some of the best I've had
I use a cheap tackle box style plastic box so it doesn't rattle in the trunk and a mix of Wera, Park,Topeak and Harbor Freight tools. It's mainly for Bike only tools and spares. I also keep a sealed box for fluids and lubes. 2 small tool boxes and a box of spare parts for longer trips and I'm out the door.
the multi tool hex wrenches need to be tested. if you try to remove your wheels do they twist? you need to also test the tools to confirm the quality of the tools.
I’m into a project to upgrade a bike to learn mechanics. Started with a kit like the Ozark and oh boy, soon I found it was a bad idea!! The Unior wrap looks awesome, I wasn’t happy with my toolbox but couldn’t think of a replacement until I saw Unior’s wrap. Gotta get one 😅
I had the equivalent of the cheap one (3rd one in the moulded tool box). It was a “Repco” toolbox. It was ok for when I was a beginner. I slowly replaced all the tools as I learnt what I needed. The bottom bracket/chain whip I would still use today, but I can’t find it. It is ok, the cone wrenches are ok, but I’ve replaced those too. It’s a good start, but you’ll replace them all if you keep going.
Congrats on the 1 million.
Seems like buying the amazon one and then getting a tool wrap to transfer the tools over would be the best set up.