When you cover the rear shock I would really like to know how much of a difference a digressive vs linear valve tune makes and when you would want one over the other and is one better suited for a certain suspension. I know it's a lot but i can not find any videos going in depth on this subject.
It is hard to find this kind of information because it is very bike frame specific. Each suspension design has little bit different leverage rate. We categorize them as progressive, linear and digressive. If you couple this with how shock react to changes in travel meaning how much force is needed to move it at any given time we need to do advanced mechanism analysis to figure it what works best. And riders feedback too. Add to this different valve tuning and my brain is frying. As for example I heard that you might want to have linear leverage rate in frame and progressive shock to help it not go too quickly through travel. For me best source of this kind of knowledge is Vorsprung Suspension channel.
@@mbuktv Was thinking an A/B comparison. Putting a digressive shock in place of a linear and vice versa and maybe why an OE might choose one vs the other based on the frame leverage curve. I know it would be subjective but like you said, there's not much out there to mull over.
I love everything my Zeb does but i have a question. When i watch myself riding on film, i always tend to be in the middle of the stroke. Like it stays there and doesnt come to the sag point as fast. Up the rebound or the slow compression?
Without being with you, it's hard to help - it could be spring pressure, compression, or rebound! It would be worth going back through a thorough set-up process to ensure each are correct.
Ok so the compression settings just sounds like it counteracts the point of rebound settings, or else it kinda is similar to adding/removing air pressure from your shock, or going with a heavier or lighter coil rate? Im kinda lost...
Yes, compression damping is increasing the resistance so it’s harder to compress the fork. Rebound damping is the opposite, it adds resistance to the fork extending.
I never saw this, as its specific for idiots. But reading the comments, it does look interesting. Dang. For us non-idiots, some dialing in is critical to transform a ride from dull or annoying to inspiring. Not smart enough to really gauge fine-tuned high and low speed... wait, maybe I am an idiot! Now I can watch it and find out! YAAAY!!
❤ NOBODY EXPLAIN'S Suspension to a big Muscled 27stone 6'4 power lifter. i guess im just to heavy for a (push bike) and need to go for a Surron E-bike 😂
You can think of low speed as body weight movements like pumping or rolling over small obstacles. Compare that to high speed hits which would be like landing drops and jumps.
There are a lot of videos where it is explaind what is hi and low speed rebound. I can set the rebound very well in case I have only one rebound dial. I also understand what is the difference between hi and low speed rebound, but even this video doesn't answer the question: How can I know whether the hi or low speed rebound is set wrong and which way? For example: What do I feel on the bike when my low speed rebound is set good, but the hi speed rebound is too slow or too fast? Or what do I feel when hi speed is good, but the low speed rebound is too slow or too fast?
I think the issue is explaining it clearly. In reality there is a crossover between high and low speed so already the water is muddied depending on the fork and the damper. In general, too slow low speed on the fork leads to weight migrating forwards on the steeps and in the braking area. The LSC/LSR front and rear is going to set the attitude of the bike when braking, climbing or in the steeps. Too fast LSR on the front would mean that the weight would migrate to the back of the bike when braking or on steep stuff. feeling like you were struggling to weight the front. Too slow HSR on the fork would mean that the fork is slow to rise from deep in the stroke, or on stutter bumps. A very subtle one to try and feel on the bike! Too fast HSR on the fork makes the bike feel fatiguing like you're constantly trying to hang onto the bar Finally: The balance front to rear of the bike is super important. A bike which has matched rebound speeds front to rear (even if slightly too slow or too fast) will probably feel nicer to ride than one with too slow or too fast on just one end... Hope that makes some kind of sense! This is one that is very challenging to try and feel on the bike with so much going on...
@JamesHurd duh, but i've swapped my fork to be able to do it myself since i was in a Fast/Slow Boxxer air wich means maintenance is HARD, i've already done maintenance on a RockShox Domain and that wasn't much of an issue. Is there something i might need to look out for when re-assembling or..? The compression damper works 100% fine
Budget forks? So my Lyrik Ultimates with a single rebound adjust are budget forks, eh. High and low speed rebound... you're just splitting hairs. You favored the Lyrik yourselves on a previous video.
i tried "dialing in " my fork last year but a few minutes later i realized the biggest obstacle i ever roll over is a thick leaf .
Nicely presented, thank you.
Thanks!
When you cover the rear shock I would really like to know how much of a difference a digressive vs linear valve tune makes and when you would want one over the other and is one better suited for a certain suspension. I know it's a lot but i can not find any videos going in depth on this subject.
Thanks Chris - it's a pretty deep and complex topic! But certainly one with little digestible information out there on - thanks for the suggestion!
It is hard to find this kind of information because it is very bike frame specific. Each suspension design has little bit different leverage rate. We categorize them as progressive, linear and digressive. If you couple this with how shock react to changes in travel meaning how much force is needed to move it at any given time we need to do advanced mechanism analysis to figure it what works best. And riders feedback too. Add to this different valve tuning and my brain is frying. As for example I heard that you might want to have linear leverage rate in frame and progressive shock to help it not go too quickly through travel. For me best source of this kind of knowledge is Vorsprung Suspension channel.
@@mbuktv Was thinking an A/B comparison. Putting a digressive shock in place of a linear and vice versa and maybe why an OE might choose one vs the other based on the frame leverage curve. I know it would be subjective but like you said, there's not much out there to mull over.
I'll put this across our tech team, see if that's something we can look at doing - certainly an interesting topic (for the nerds haha)
I love everything my Zeb does but i have a question. When i watch myself riding on film, i always tend to be in the middle of the stroke. Like it stays there and doesnt come to the sag point as fast. Up the rebound or the slow compression?
Without being with you, it's hard to help - it could be spring pressure, compression, or rebound! It would be worth going back through a thorough set-up process to ensure each are correct.
Ok so the compression settings just sounds like it counteracts the point of rebound settings, or else it kinda is similar to adding/removing air pressure from your shock, or going with a heavier or lighter coil rate? Im kinda lost...
Yes, compression damping is increasing the resistance so it’s harder to compress the fork. Rebound damping is the opposite, it adds resistance to the fork extending.
I never saw this, as its specific for idiots. But reading the comments, it does look interesting. Dang. For us non-idiots, some dialing in is critical to transform a ride from dull or annoying to inspiring. Not smart enough to really gauge fine-tuned high and low speed... wait, maybe I am an idiot! Now I can watch it and find out! YAAAY!!
What is a G out, can you show it in a video?
❤ NOBODY EXPLAIN'S Suspension to a big Muscled 27stone 6'4 power lifter.
i guess im just to heavy for a (push bike) and need to go for a Surron E-bike 😂
No one cares...
Nice.
You resemble Wilf Lunn 👍🏻 maybe you’re a bit young for that reference 😂
I have not understand yet what low speed do, any video how does is a low Gs
You can think of low speed as body weight movements like pumping or rolling over small obstacles. Compare that to high speed hits which would be like landing drops and jumps.
There are a lot of videos where it is explaind what is hi and low speed rebound. I can set the rebound very well in case I have only one rebound dial. I also understand what is the difference between hi and low speed rebound, but even this video doesn't answer the question:
How can I know whether the hi or low speed rebound is set wrong and which way? For example: What do I feel on the bike when my low speed rebound is set good, but the hi speed rebound is too slow or too fast? Or what do I feel when hi speed is good, but the low speed rebound is too slow or too fast?
I think the issue is explaining it clearly. In reality there is a crossover between high and low speed so already the water is muddied depending on the fork and the damper.
In general, too slow low speed on the fork leads to weight migrating forwards on the steeps and in the braking area. The LSC/LSR front and rear is going to set the attitude of the bike when braking, climbing or in the steeps.
Too fast LSR on the front would mean that the weight would migrate to the back of the bike when braking or on steep stuff. feeling like you were struggling to weight the front.
Too slow HSR on the fork would mean that the fork is slow to rise from deep in the stroke, or on stutter bumps. A very subtle one to try and feel on the bike!
Too fast HSR on the fork makes the bike feel fatiguing like you're constantly trying to hang onto the bar
Finally: The balance front to rear of the bike is super important. A bike which has matched rebound speeds front to rear (even if slightly too slow or too fast) will probably feel nicer to ride than one with too slow or too fast on just one end...
Hope that makes some kind of sense! This is one that is very challenging to try and feel on the bike with so much going on...
@ Thank you! This is really helpful
Aight, let's see if you can help THIS idiot 😂. I bought a Marzocchi 380 CR from a friend and the rebound damper just spins endlessly, any ideas?
Needs a service
@JamesHurd duh, but i've swapped my fork to be able to do it myself since i was in a Fast/Slow Boxxer air wich means maintenance is HARD, i've already done maintenance on a RockShox Domain and that wasn't much of an issue. Is there something i might need to look out for when re-assembling or..? The compression damper works 100% fine
Budget forks? So my Lyrik Ultimates with a single rebound adjust are budget forks, eh.
High and low speed rebound... you're just splitting hairs.
You favored the Lyrik yourselves on a previous video.
He said on most budget forks there is only a single rebound knob, not that forks with single knobs are budget lol
I guess the title did atrackt the right people because you're indeed an idiot 😂 don't worry tho, you're not alone