Should I Build A FOXBODY Notch As A RACE Car Or STREET Car?
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- Should I Build A FOXBODY Notch As A RACE Car Or STREET Car?
I've got a Nemesis update for you and want your input on the direction I should go with the project.
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Let me know what you guys think. Should we go IRS and full MM build, or just use what I already have and get Nemesis on the road?
Maximum Motorsports for the win! Stuff the biggest tire under it possible!
I like the roll cage idea with recaro seats & rear seat delete. Keep that rear end in there since it’s rebuilt & have fun driving that beast. You will have his & hers foxbodys when you & Tiffany show up to events. You know I’ll be watching no matter what direction you go
Ditto!
Thanks Mike, I think the IRS is out at this point. Too pricey.
Do both!! My green car is setup for drag racing but, it has tags and insurance! Do 3" exhaust with stainless flowmaster super 44's!
It for sure is Frank and I love the sound of yours 100%
I think That you should just use what you already have champ
I think you're right Jay C, and that's the way I think I"m going now.
My vote would be an all out road course build as you already have a beautiful vert cruiser.....also, do the cage now while everything is dumped out and if you can get your hands on an IRS that will totally change the feel of the car. Looking forward to seeing more progress, awesome VID 🙌🙌🏁
Thanks Paul and thanks again for having me on your stream the other night.
@@GearHead704 Thank you so much, we really appreciate your time and Tiff’s as well. It was fun having the ladies involved 🙌🏼🏁
I say go all out but still have it that you can enjoy on the road - best of both worlds
Well said, thanks Sally.
Make it a road race car. Maybe swap out the live rear with IRS?
I wanted to, until I saw the price on the IRS right now LOL
Also, just cause I've been chatting with MM...they are not making their cages right now. I think they are just trying to get K-members and other parts out the door (probably work force and demand issues). There are other solutions for cages that people have pointed out to me (Rhodes Racing, Team Z, Kenny Brown, Wild Rides, S and W).
I didn't know that, thanks.
Matt...love seeing you back working on Nemesis. You are going through the same thoughts and ponderings as me. I want to build my car up to be a great handler for auto-crossing and occasional track days...I don't want to do fender-to-fender racing as I'm scared to bang it up. I've had my car for 13 yrs now and it is my baby. I am planning to use a lot of MM parts. Going coil-overs all the way around. I do have an IRS for it already. I bought the IRS a couple years ago before prices went nuts. I also want to keep it a driver, so I can cruise with my wife. Keeping A/C and heat. But I'm sure it won't be the most comfortable cruiser, just like what you are saying. I did get Detroit Speed Engineering through-the-floor subframe connectors. I do plan on doing a 6-pt or 8-pt cage. I have the Cobra brakes for the front, but also am tempted to do the Caddy Brembos on the front. I do want to build mine to show a little bit, too...but not be a full blown show car...just have it be presentable. I am also Coyote/T56 swapping my car. So I guess I don't have a whole lot of input, but love where you are going. I guess my biggest suggestion is at least Cobra brakes, coil-overs, some good chassis stiffening. I think the 8.8 would be good...just IRS would be better, ha ha.
IRS prices ended up being much more than I expected, looks like I'm going to stay with the 8.8 after all.
Sorry, I'm bugging you a bunch. Do you use PC for your video editing? If so, what editing S/W do you use? I just ordered a laptop (Windows PC) and want to get cranking with my own TH-cam channel again.
Sorry for the late reply. I actually use a mac and imovie.
Happy to see you back on Nemesis. I got a Foxchamber shirt from Jim as well! I vote get that beast together with what you have, Tweak on it as you enjoy it.
I love Jim's channel and thanks for watching and the input.
I vote for the road race build, with the IRS and big brakes
keeping the A/C & a full cage.
Also any creature comforts
that You want to make it fit
Your personality! Good luck
Best Wishes. Thank You 🇺🇲🇵🇷🦊👍
Thanks, the creature comforts do make it a lot of fun.
Love the build! 🔥🔥Restomod with all the bells and whistles, but with stock patina look for the exterior that's my opinion on how it should be done. What ever you choose I'm sure it'll be awesome!
Definitely going to keep the Patina.
Do what you like....we will love your content the same...
Daily driver means insurance..registration n smog certificate up to date...but can be driven on public roads not just the track...
track car?...no insurance...no registration...no smog equipment no restrictions on engine size forced induction ...but budget wise you will end up down the rabbit hole ...but if you got deep pockets or extra money do what you feel ....
Thx mat(foxresto) n (704)mat in the morning mustang show..
Appreciate that feedback Christian and thanks for watching
I have a MM bolt in 6 point with the welded seat belt bar and solid door bars, I now wish that I had just done a full weld in 8.50 legal cage, but any safety is better than none. With the full length subs and stifflers web braces. it's pretty stiff and I love the jacking rails. The MM steering shaft eliminates all play and gives me nice road feedback like a go cart. Im a weirdo so i did a QA1 K with BMR arms and a stifflers K brace and made my own front spring perches...with the Eibach sway bars it's a slot car even on regular coils. Make sure that the belts that you buy will re certify, some are throw aways. Scatter shield and drive shaft hoop are a nod to the Swamp Rat Big Daddy Don. I say OVER build the car now and if you can put more power in later your already safe. Safe is GOOD! Rent a Razor, go out on some gravel roads and get a feel for driving slideways....Enjoy!
Thanks Frank, I think you're right saftey is key and a cage IS a MUST I'm tninking.
Great video Bro! My thought is build something you can drive on the street and at the track... "Best of both worlds" ....
It's a good though.
Matt, think about your build like Carroll Shelby would. Shelby’s ingenuity won the day with what was available, not throwing a catalogue at the car (which didn’t exist in the day) think big but be creative. Road racer YES……remember theShelby drop. Thanks for including us out here in video land.
Great points Mark! He was certainly an innovator for sure. I'm leaning away from the IRS now.
I’d do it all… after having owned at least 10 Fox bodies over past 25 years I’ve learned the only way is to do everything because that’s what you’ll end up wanting in the end anyway. My keeper took me 10+ years but it’s what I wanted - full interior/exterior resto with all the upgrades incl full MM suspension, big brakes, built turbo’d engine, etc. Nothing stopping you from doing it in stages though. Easy enough to restore interior later if that isn’t your main focus right now.
Thanks, that's usually what happens, we want to keep going with our builds lol
Matt, I just went through this with my '88 Vert. Went with MM K member, lower control arms, and coil overs. Highly recommended. I have done a ton of work to mine that'll I'll keep under wraps for now.
Thanks Mike, MM makes some great parts for sure.
Good update! Keep with the autoX! Weld, gusset, and reinforce the stock K-member. Poly bushings, tubular rear control arms, subframe connectors. Adjustable struts/shocks, and tighten up the rear end. Also you can run New Edge front control arms for all the camber adjustment and the twin piston caliper update. Oh, 200 treadwear tires. I'm getting 1.2 corner G's in my Fox on 300 treadwear tires (205Front 225Rear)- you don't need a bunch of expensive parts - just the right parts.
Well said broken tool! I do have a lot of those mods in mind.
Street car. Too many race cars. Full MM suspension - it will handle better than the IRS, been there done that! The IRS will be unique, but it won't touch the full MM suspension setup.
Appreciate the tips.
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Wow you are back! Was waiting too see a moving truck to Texas….LoL. I’d say what use will you get out of it when done as a race car? 2, maybe 3 times a year? A hot street car with ability to course or track and take to shows,cruises, events to promote all you have done. I’d go for the best return in your investment with fun and time. Either way, great stuff and glad to see you back on it Matt.
Hah hah, moving to Texas would've been fun! You're right I will not race it that much. I should use what I have. thanks boddy.
Whats up Matt been a little bit since I've been watching videos I got myself another project & getting pretty deep in it... anyhow I would do the IRS for sure and definitely upgrade the cooling system because if you're going to be driving that car or pushing it hard it's definitely going to need it with that 349 you know like you said you don't want to have to do it twice and if you can afford to do it the first time around that would be great big breaks all that stuff that you can do I mean breaks aren't that big of a deal to change later if you're doing the IRS you definitely going to want to do bigger front brakes as well and also congrats man I'm so happy for you that your channel has grown so much and you're getting that extra cash flow to be able to put into Nemesis man keep up the great work and great videos!!!
No worries, glad to hear you've got a new project. IRS would be fun and you're right you definitely need a cooling system. I"m blessed to have people like you watching it helps so much. Thank you.
Awesome video MATT. Tell TIFFANY hello. I would go full blown race car. Keep the incredible content coming. Hope you have an awesome night. Much love and RESPECT
Appreciate the input, thank will do, and have a good night yourself.
Going to be nice. If it were my mustang, maximum motorsports stuff in your hp range and what ever Dock Fox recommends.
Definitely going to do some listening to Doc Fox, thanks man.
I would suggest a street warrior car. Maximum Motorsports half or full roll cage, powder coated to match interior. Rear seat delete. Black carpet with Recaro seats aftermarket steering wheel and plain n simple speaker delete door panels. Suspension coilover set, comfortable ride but handles like a go cart.
I like the speaker delete idea, first time i've thought of that. Thanks.
There's value in a natural progression. It might help to consider building a car that is appropriate for entry into racing. Learn how to race, figure out if you want more of it, then build up the car. Its fun to shop and throw parts at a car, but that money can't be saved and used later. If you try some racing and find its fun but not great, then the spend can go toward the different direction. I thought about this for my own build and am focusing on modernizing which makes it more track day capable but not full race. A real race car is really only fun when actually racing, the rest of the time its a chore. Maybe spend some time in someone else's racer first?
You're right that is a better approach. At this point I think I just want to get it on the road.
Full build IRS, Baer Brakes, 03/04 Cobra fuel tank, 6 point roll bars, Chicane wide fenders, 351w for now and maybe Yote later.
Love the 351's, just built this 349 though so going to go with that. Coyote one day hopefuly.
I would make it into a fun street car... supercharged 347/ mini tub...ect its up to you the skys the limit and your wallet lol
That wallet is limiting lol
I would do a nice street/autocross build with heat and a.c. and a interior coz your gonna want to drive it on the street lol that's what I would do but whatever you go with I'm with ya! Love your channel brother keep doin what your doin. ✌👋
Appreciate the input and thanks for the support on the channel as well.
I vote for full MM suspension ,MM bolt in cage and IRS. Because I want to ride in it!
Hah hah, I hear you Brent and you are welcome to any time.
Make that thing into a racecar and show us step by step how you do it, tutorial style! we love these kinds of videos! another thing there are so many foxes you can get on the street, this one seems like a perfect set up for a race build and will be the ultimate fox project. showing this car getting built from the ground up to the race track will be a great playlist.
I'd love to, unfortunately TH-cam doesn't push those videos and they get very low views for me sadly.
Do whatever makes you feel good take care catch you later on the flip-flop keep the shiny side up and the greasy side down. We gone bye-bye
LOL, well said and thanks Brian!
Make it a street car I don't see many foxbodies on the road in my part of the country. Northeastern Az. I know we are on opposite sides of the country but still need more back on the streets.
Leaning that way Victor.
How I see it if u gonna do it do it all the way. Don't regret not doing it. Definitely all safety needed. Cage a big plus. Gear head 704 needs to be around for a while.
Hah hah, I definitely appreciate the concern.
Resto mod!! ..a representation of you and Matt and especially the work your wife has done ✔️
She is definitely invested as well, thanks!
Build it for the street and corner carving because corner carving is so much fun. Which I could get mine done so I could get back into auto crossing.
Yeah I really want to carve up the corners.
Road course it and have some fun at VIR! Come up to Jersey and play on NJ motorsports park tracks!
Definitely want to go to VIR
I say go resto mod, but keep it streetable. You’ll get more use out of the car if you can enjoy it on the road as well as the track. I guess it all depends on how much you plan to really race the car. I’d want AC, full suspension, good brakes, nice interior. You can still do race seats and a minimal cage and keep it nice to race and enjoy on the street.
Josh I think you're spot on with the way I"m leaning now especially after seeing those IRS prices LOL
What the heck Matt, go full bells out. Make it a full track car, and enjoy it full all out. It will be a blast to full send mode.
Would be a blast, thanks Paul.
I think make a street car out the SSP. If you want a race car get a basic fox roller and go that route. SSP and feature cars shouldnt be racecars
Thanks for watching and commenting. We'll see where I end up on it.
MM all the way.. and you can just pick up MM steering shaft while you’re at it. 👍
I think you're right. MM has great stuff.
The correct answer to both questions is YES!!!!!!!!!
lol, true!
Yesssss build it up balls to the walls I got the same exact car my self and I'm goin what my budget will allow
Awesome, enjoy your build!
Show quality road racer that is 100% street capable . All the way down the rabbit hole!
It definitely is a rabbit hold LOL
You should definitely do the cage because like Matt said most tracks are going to require one
I think so too Carlos.
Street car they getting rare because people cut them up. Let others enjoy without paying the track
Good points Steve
Street...100%
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Might as well go full MM suspension. You already have a street car in the vert.
Yeah that is kind of what I was thinking
Build a street car it will beuch more fun you can play on street and drag and road course
Street is usually more fun for sure.
No reason you can't have a "street car" that runs whatever number it is you're after. Look at everyone doing Sick Week right now. You have the tarheel for a "drive anywhere car" so go wild.
That's kind of the way I"m leaning. Thanks for the input regardless.
Street car
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Street car
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Love the channel! Definitely Street Car, Enjoy it more.
Thanks
Hell Yeah Because Race Car !! Keep up the Good Work !!
Hah hah right! Thanks James.
Hey man i say paint that Coupe back two tone. And please put a Canton 7 quart oil pan on that 349. Leave the 8.8 you have. Go coil overs all around. And put that car on the road. All you need is a nice swaybar on the front and rear control arms. Put a set of subframe conectors. And a front engine brace. With your cast and camber plates. If you do get a cage. Go chrome moly like i got in my Fox. not mild steel makes the car more heavy. I mean i got a 10 point with door swing outs. But a 4 point or a 6 point will work for road racing. Do it right all at once. You see my Fox. It has taken years. But no cutting corners. Everything done one time. So come up with a game plan. And add up what it will cost you. And then whichever way you think it is the way you want it. . And get her done. Stay with the 8.8 you got all STEEDA gear already. I am giving you food for your brain bud.
Hey Macho! Yours is so nice, and I appreciate the advice. I think reusing what I have is what i'm going to do. Appreciate the cage tip I wasn't aware of that
@@GearHead704 hey brother it is what it is. Build it your way. And how it makes sense to you brother. Your Foxs are super nice too. Coupe isn't done yet. But i know it is going to be BAD ASS Brother. Peace out and keep at it bro. Thanks for the nice words on my money pit. LMAO 😂
A nice street car so u n tiff can go to car shows u in the vert n her in the coupe or vice versa
It'd be cool to cruise in two of them for sure.
Matt!!!! I can tell you to build the biggest baddest car on earth.... In the end... I would love to see a car that you wanted and will enjoy with Tiff.... Have fun with it and ill be watching! See ya soon!!!😁👍👊
Thanks Joe, as long as i get it on the road.
@@GearHead704 you will bud... And im gonna expect a ride!!😜😜👍👊😎😎
Depends on what you want. My car is street strip. Team z front with a tubular front end and a mix In the rear, maximum motorsports lowers, upr uppers, and detroit speed coilovers. I would recommend not going a drag car unless you are serious about it. You may regret the build later on
Love your reply...mines street strip to... shout out to pa transmission...
Thanks, definitely don't want to do a drag car.
It being a 347 stroker .040 over.
Strip car.
You will Crack the block if you make it a track car
85 and up blocks are known for cracking
Interesting, hadn't heard about cracking with less than 500 crank HP before.
Go all out but keep it where you can still enjoy it on the street some because you will probably want to put some street miles on it because you won't be able to enjoy a track only car as much as you would if it was streetable and had some of the comfort features plus you will be able to beat up on some of the LS guys that tries to mess with the wrong car 💪🏻😁👍🏽🚗💨💨💨
Hah hah, all good points, especially the last one lol.
@@GearHead704 😂🤣 yeah the last one is the most important one of them all 💪🏻😁
Whatever way you decide to go it’s going to be a bad ass car!!👊🏻
Thanks, I think so too.
Hey Matt. Interesting video, I would say, go for the road course build, but taking into consideration that Doris had cooling issues you want to be more prepared. I can't wait to see the progress 😉👍
Yeah, I'd definitely have to upgrade my cooling, great point. Thanks Carlos.
Nice Ex Florida State Police SSP!!
thanks, I can't wait to see it on the road again.
Stock look beast mode underneath
Love the sleeper look.
Street car
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I would do full MM build for the road course.
That would be a blast.
Hey that’s fun Race car in the channel👍
Hah hah, it will be one day, thanks
MM build for sure. Can’t wait to see my dream car up and running. Resto mod with a rear seat delete please
Your dream car Bruce? LOL thanks buddy.
Lol I mean your dream car 😂😂
Make it look street, but kick ass on track.
Jeremy! Great advice brother.
Hey Matt good to see you working on the car again I see you're supporting the fox chamber shirt Jim's a great guy.
Yes, Jim is the man, love his content. Thank you.
I would keep it as a street car.
That would be fun too.
Full out road race build!!
Would be a blast to turn corners in for sure.
I would do race and Street.
I'm sure I can find an ok mix.
I’m a fan of the budget auto cross build. But even if it’s not so budget. I’m in for the auto cross.
I definitely need to do some AutoX
@@GearHead704 I think I’m actually going to go that route with this little vert we just picked up.
@@StLMikie congrats
Just run full exhaust
Will do.
Do it right the first time
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Yeah roll cage. Ricaro seats!!! Do it big man!!
I wanted to, until I saw the prices on the IRS lol
@@GearHead704 I understand!!!
restomod for sure
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Awesome Foxes!
Thanks!
Go for it bro!
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Go for it!
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Matt, I’ve followed you for a whiiiilllle!! How much are you going to be able use the car? A lot of your upgrades will put you into top tier classes racing against serious drivers. In the past, You’ve had back issues…. Race cars have stiffer suspensions which is tough on the body. The decision is yours….. the key is to have fun. Hoping to get my autocrosser on track this year.
Yes, you've been a loyal follower for a long time, thank you Mike. You also have given me some very good points to consider.
Hay would you guys be interested in mini-tubbing my 90 gt.& doing a little rear suspension upgrades, nothing Major just reinforcing everything, I’m in mount airy nc.
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Congrats on the success of the channel and merch. As for the nemesis, I’d keep the 8.8, put in a TKX trans, MM kmember ,
assorted MM suspension goodies,, MM’s bolt in cage, redo interior and let it rip
Thanks Jamey, the more I think about it the 8.8 is the quickest way to get back on the road with this thing.
Hey Matt...it's been a while--whatever direction you take, one thing is for sure..Tiff being on board, going with the flow and keeping a sense of humor is gold IMHO...nice! I think that standard autocross build is fine....street able, good handling and fun.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm lucky to have her in my corner.
trick question..
how about a street race car? 😂
Hah hah, do people race on the street? 🤔 😁
@@GearHead704 only in Mexico
@@GearHead704 but in all honesty MM is slow on parts these days.. order now and it may be awhile before you get all he stuff anyway..
Is there an advantage to stroke at a 302 to 347 to begin versus starting out with a 351 Windsor?
A few advantages for the 302 to 347 VS 351. With a 347 you don't need to have dropped motor mounts or a you can use a stock hood. But you are at almost the limits of a stock block for power. The 351 can be stroked out to a 427. However 347 vs 351 is basically the same power at those cubic inches.
Great video Matt. I’d say restomod. Your doing a great job with the car so far and I think that new engine is going to rip!
I think so too, thanks!
Great video brother! Either way you go with the build we will all be watching the progress!
Thanks so much man.
Hello Matt, Matt, and Tiffany! I would build it with the best quality parts you can afford, but street, and track builds aren’t the same. Unless you want to relegate it to track only, build a high performance restomod. If y’all are good with it being race only, then go all out.
You know my back story, so my obvious thought is build a great car that will bring you and Tiffany the most enjoyment together.
Thanks Carl, I appreciate that input. Probably going to lean more towards street after all.
@@GearHead704 I really think you'll get a lot of enjoyment of it as a street car! I hope you and Tiffany have a blast in it.
Keep it as a street car. It’s an ssp make it a bad ass street car, auto cross destroys cars
If I do AutoX I probably will not do it all the time, but we'll see.
Great suspension Street/ strip car. No reason you can't have a nice interior unless you are gonna be full time racing.
Yeah, I"m thinking I should do the interior nicer after all.
@@GearHead704 I mean, you're gonna have to sit in it.
What ecu are you running with the 349
Stock
Personally make it a street car you can race
Best of both worlds there right!
Street forsure
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@@GearHead704 yeah man just awesome to see more fox’s on the street and be appriciated. In todays day and age you honestly dont see them a whole lot anyone! Cant wait to get mine painted
Its too pretty to thrash
I hear you, it needs a lot of TLC though.
Make it a race car
That would be fun.
Restomod 🤘🏻 with more powah…got to love it
It's not a bad way to go, thanks for the input.