Trueteller Extracting Max Value | Quads v King High for $380,000
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 พ.ย. 2019
- Analysis of a hand played between Trueteller and Tan Xuan at the Triton High Roller Cash Game in Montenegro.
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Trueteller looks like a sith lord or something when he gets in the zone! That guy is on another planet!
Fantastic as always 🍻 wish you luck mate 🤘🏻
It would be interesting if you did an analysis on old FTP 6max/HU games with guys like Krantz/ Dang bros etc and see how those lines differ from solvers. End-bosses from 10-15 years must have played much differently than current nosebleed players
Best videos as always!
Thank you. I enjoy your content.
Tony Gee has a great sense of humor
The bet size analysis is focusing on the AT or Ax value range and did not mention the bluff range. So curious if on a board, our value range is strong, we also need to size up our bluff to stay balanced?
Bluffs should always mirror the value (in terms of sizing, not necessarily number of combos).
is there any gto solver that analyzes your hands by importing them? like icmizer which only covers preflop
At the river solver is just calling with some percentage of quads lol
That's possible if rake exists
@@II-no5oi why?
It's because a shove only gets called by Ax so shoving and calling have the same EV
To trap off course
@@PhilippZuk There's only 4 As in the deck?
why the solver folds majority(specially low kicker ones) of qx full house combos at theriver on treuteller hypothetically shove ? since the kicker is not influent because of the full house ? nice channel from italy :)
Davide Ganz i can think of two possible reasons:
1. Trueteller is more likely to value bet an ace with a higher kicker on the flop and turn so therefore when we do call a queen the 2 blocker is probably totally irrelevant whereas a T or J gives us a tiny extra percentage blocking AJ or AT etc.
2. we simply can’t call all the Qx as we’d be overcalling that way. To balance that range we need to fold some amount of Qx and since there’s not much of a difference anyway we just take a linear approach in balancing and call the „better“ ones and fold the „worse“ ones. Basically just to keep control of the amount of combos
When the decision is close sometimes you will see solver behavior that is almost inexplicable. Sometimes it is a function of some meta-blocking strategy the solver is using but it could also be because the solution is not solved all the way down the equilibrium. My personal view is that if the EV of two actions is pretty close, I try not to go too far down a rabbit hole to figure out what the solver is doing because the reality is, it may not be correct, and also, we don't know our opponent's exact ranges or strategies. Instead I try to focus my time on decisions that result in larger EV differences.
Might be low kicker ones doesn't block the oponent strong aces combs, like QA,10A,JA,AK..
We want analysis of the last hand played from the "self-proclaimed greatest!"
Doing the hands in chronological order like this is just very efficient :)
Tonyg v mikita?
@@FindingEquilibrium please! :D
It's an interesting hand for sure, but the problem is that it starts out multiway so a piosolver analysis will not be accurate.
@@FindingEquilibrium Can we not take it as heads-up from whichever is the most applicable spot? I know people are just very curious about what PIO's calling range is on the River so maybe an analysis of a large River raise spot would satiate the hunger?
Great analysis. But wish there were discussion of balancing the value bet with bluffs on turn & river. Can't be case that only analytical decision is "titrate down from big size"; without consideration of appropriate mix of bluffs at *any* size, opponent will exploitively fold to any bet size.
can anybody tell me about bet "celiing" ? i googled it and nothing comes up
Just a small correction: The checking/betting range on the flop has nothing to do with straddle but with raise size preflop. If in no-straddle game you increase the raise size to 5.3x then bb would raise much less. It is also opposite in a straddle game if you decrease the raise size. That means that if Xuan raises to 3.2 x from that position then the ranges post-flop would be different.
Anyways, rangeconverter ranges for straddle games with antes are dead-wrong with the wrong raise sizes and should not be used. It is better to use MTT ranges.
Anyone else just straight liking the video before watching?
Nice video, but I’m curious about what kind of bluffs Trueteller should have here... there’s not much removal effect at play and his opponent can have the nuts with some frequency here, thoughts?
at 8:21, what would be the reason for 97 calling more frequently than 98?
Is there a way we can get our hands on "GTO check" sooner rather than later? I'm really excited to see what you've cooked up :)
Unfortunately I am limited by my developers' schedules. I would have liked to have released this months ago!
@@FindingEquilibrium So when are you releasing it? and for what price?
Hey mate! I love your channel, it gives a lot of insights about how the game theory works.
I think that there must be something wrong in the solution.
Againts the river barrel, the player on the straddle is just calling sometimes with quads. Why do you think is that?
Likely an error with the solver since it doesn't solve all the way to the equilibrium.
To slowroll opponent, putting him on tilt and inducing poor play afterwards.
I cant understand Tans call on turn n river,he blocks flush draws and a few gut shots,is it as extra aces appear it means less chance tt holds an ace plus tt is really aggressive?
Solver agrees with you. He was calling way too wide.
Any update on when you will be releasing your product?
Probably not until next year unfortunately.
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Hey man, i love your videos and i think they are very informative. One bit of constructive criticism I want to make is about the production: whenever you speak there seems to be a loud hum, so I would suggest (as dumb as it sounds) recording under a thick blanket, which provides great audio isolation. Also, keep an eye on volume discrepancy between your speaking voice and the streams. Keep it up man, I love your videos and I hope you keep growing!
What is that sweet intro and outro song?
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When it comes to bluff catching on the river, why does the solver rather NOT have the Kd if the OOP is not barreling the Kd anyway? If the Kd is not a good bluff, doesn't that mean that the IP player should be MORE likely to bluff catch with a Kd (since it does not block OOP player's bluffs)???
think its because in the video hes evaluating the ip response to the pot sizing which is obv different to the actual valuebet sizing which shpuld be used in the solution which is the 2x pot which will contain the polarized region of the ax and bluffs. would have to remove 2x sizing so the pot sizing contains that actual value/bluff region or nodelock it to simulate it but think if done so kd should be a card to have for the reasons you said above.
Why are we assuming the solver is trying to extract max value on the turn? When we assume that we pretty much crush our opponents range here, how is 150% of pot a max value play?
Because many inferior combos are calling? If a 150% bet is not max value what do you call it?
@@FindingEquilibrium In the real word (where not everyone is playing GTO and calling correctly) this bet folds out a high percentage of all hands on this board with a 150% pot bet, but would keep in a larger percentage with a much wider range with a smaller bet. I would think the +EV play would be to bet smaller or check. With a smaller bet hoping your opponent will call with a wider range. On a check hoping your opponent takes a shot at a bluff, or improves on the river such that he might call another bet. In other words, in the real world, I personally like a check or a small bet here. With A10 the solver overwhelmingly preferred a large bet over a check. I just don't find people are calling such bets as wide as the solver suggests they should.
If your opponents are over folding relative to gto then you will make more money off your bluffs if you are balanced.
10:40 - Wouldn’t necessarily agree that IP will value bet Qx when checked to and then also call a raise..
when trueteller checks river imo he has clear give up or traps I really don’t see what hand he is going to call with that is worse than a queen if he checks so imo value betting from IP is too thin as what do we get called by apart from some occasional KT/KJdd heros
Could you be so kind to GTO analyze the last hand of this series (Tony G vs Mikita B). Looks chilling))
It is definitely an interesting hand but it starts out multiway so a piosolver analysis will be flawed.
Finding Equilibrium Thank you for your answer. Understood. I personally think Tony G called because of two main reasons (the second one is slightly related to GTO): 1. He just has a huge experience in such live cash spots (notice how concentrated Tony G was when scanned Mikita on river while young Belorussian made a decision) and 2. Mikita had not enough appropriate value hands to make such a move on river. Tony G has enough skills to understand it.
Can you edit out Ike Haxton´s voice? lol
He's going through puberty!
I don't know... to me this looks more like an exploitative play by Kuznetsov.
Could be....
Fold the flop and you don't have to see the extra aces
So match history in this 1... Not really extracting value
This title is phony...he got mad value cuz previously in the same session he got read dead on but didn't get called.. tan yuan read him for KQ high but didn't make the hero call..so that played a huge factor ..it wasn't all GTO or poker strategy like the title makes it seem..
Bad play from tan, shoudnt be in this pot
Next time try quads vs T high. Pros play T high. K high is for noobs lol
Russian subtitles please
It's funny how you always (pretend to?) assume that those top GTO pros know the sover lines perfectly and if they are deviating, it's because they are incorporating exploitative play. I'm not saying you shouldn't, but I don't think it's always the case.
That's not what I assume at all. I assume most people dont know what the gto strategy is in most spots.
Trueteller was down for the session and the session was coming to an end. That dramatically influenced Tan Xuan’s decision which makes this particular video and GTO analysis irrelevant
Don't agree with the analysis on this one. Just bad play and defending way too wide!
The analysis was to mostly fold on the turn and river.....