What do you play from the diminished scale? Content: 0:00 Intro 0:45 Basic: The Scale and How To Play It 1:07 F dim or G half-whole 1:55 II V I with a Dom7th(13,b9) 2:10 Symmetrical and that is great (and it sucks at the same time) 2:30 Finding Some Triads 3:14 What Colors Do You Get? 4:03 Practicing Melodies in the scale 4:25 Example Lick #1 - Triad Inversions 4:48 Example Lick #2 -G7(b9,#9,#11) 5:05 Triad Pairs - These are not all Triad Pairs 5:37 Improvisation Exercise with the 4 Triads 6:08 Minor Triads 6:43 Lick using Minor Triads 6:50 An Amazing Quartal Arpeggio (and a lick) 7:16 mMaj7 Shell-Voicings 8:01 Melodic Minor and Why It is Awesome! 8:14 Like the video? Check out my Patreon Page!
Same reason I play any scale, to make rhythm. I often play chord changes as one note shots over certain strong beat notes in an improvised line, this helps me better understand the phrasing. I haven't tried this with the diminished scale yet though.
I'm most certainly going to write this lesson in my tab book. Whenever I learn one of the lines you are teaching, I usually write two or three more. I've got the Jazz way of thinking so well now that I can go over one of your lines and know how to present it without having to review your video. I can't honestly say that I totally don't need your videos anymore, but I can't afford the Gigabyte TH-cam video usage anymore. Perhaps in the future. Thanks for all your help. Sincerely: Damon Shanabarger
0:29 I'm sure they were not aware of that. Back in the year 1985 1985 1985, we all had to learn somewhere I declare, I'm not the only one, but then again it is a matter of perspective. Only those that could become one with the tree could always see itself. Nobody else could see it. What is now is not infinite to some, yet still now seen. 20 is four. Cat, Rabbit, Little Me. "No man has seen God at anytime, the only son in the bosom of the Father, to him God has declared him."
It was 1985 when I saw her on the Metro Train. She said: "I love you Damon. Damon I love you. Damon, Damon, I love you Damon. I love you." She said that continually for several Metro Train Stations. At last I looked back at her. Tears ran down her cheeks. She appeared to be only a year old in her stroller. I think her parents were diplomats. I got off at the Silver Spring Metro Train Station. I haven't seen her since. Tiger, Bugs, and Little Me are asleep in their own corners of the Cube Space Time Continuum Universe. Uncle what's his face reincarnated to New York City. I heard she died last March on the news. I never liked Uncle what's his face. What's four? The Twenty Spirits that dwell within the twenty black holes of the Cube Space Time Continuum Universe are what's four. Creation is a matter of perspective is a lie unless proportioned one moment to the next is being created. To say created something that has always existed the same history is the Devil in the details. There is nothing created.
I've been finding it really hard to use the diminished scale without it sounding like I'm just fumbling around. This has made it sound a lot more harmonic, thank you!
Love your Channel Jens. You're the only guy I've ever seen on TH-cam who's explained this scale correctly. By that, I mean, letting students know there are also major and minor triads in the scale as well. A lot of harmonic information to be found with the Diminished scale to keep one busy for a long time.
Thank you for making this video. Understanding the diminished scale over G13b9 is exactly what I was looking for. Nobody else comes close to this jazz depth.
As an amateur pop-rocker who casually wanted to see what kind of dark stuff I could make with the diminished scale this video was quite the wake up call of what else I could learn. Time to get studying!
It's nice to see this video and compare it to another one you did a few years ago, when the channel was starting. The quality of the sound, image, and light is way much better. The content was always great :)
Jens, you unlocked the diminished scale for me. Realizing that the same scale, a 3rd apart, just created huge freedom. I always could "see" this when playing keys, but this really unlocked a ton for me on the guitar. That coupled with the awareness of the triads is huge. Just had a ton of fun just playing over a single chord dominant vamp!
Predictable shred hahaha Jens, I just really wanna praise your work here on YT. Through all of this time that I've been following your work, I always see a very creative man who is always searching and developing his musical approach, and of course always giving us something to learn. Very inspiring!! Thank you so much, I wish I could meet you personally someday. Cheers!
Top notch quality as usual, Jens! Patterns can certainly be difficult to deal with, more so the shorter ones (like, four note patterns), because they are so easy to spot. I really like how Jonathan Kreisberg makes them work, (I mean he has A LOT of patterns under his fingers) he creates this very rich sheet of sound kinda thing that fits really well into his style
Very true! I actually think that Kreisberg is more creative with repetition than just using simple scale patterns, at least the stuff I think off with this :)
I've been following you for the last 2 years (although jazz actually made sense to me in the last 1 month lol) and the production quality of your videos have massively improved
Well, Jens, I'm supposed to be out sweeping my carport, however, I came in to check the weather on my PC and saw your new video up, and for the last several minutes I've been working out & riffing on that mM shell voicing you showed in the last minute or so of your video. Nice! (The carport can wait for a while...maybe several hours!) An informative & concise usable lesson as usual!
Fascinating, we spend so much time thinking about going outside to sound modern, this is really intensive inside. Great look and breakdown, as always, Thank You...! B-)
I am so happy to see someone explaining how to make music from the different symmetrical scales. utilising them the same as major and minor scales as source material to create melodies.
I take jazz guitar lessons and I complement them with your teachings - thank you! It was an "ah ha" moment when you broke down phrasing using triads vs. just seeing a diminished scale that moves around in minor 3rds. I'm also practicing from the book "Melodic Rhythms for Guitar" (Berklee Press), and I see a number of their rhythmic patterns in your phrases. It would be interesting to have a lesson(s) on common rhythmic phrases in jazz, i.e., ones to get in the pocket to improve the swing, syncopation, etc. Thanks Jens and have a great holiday :)
M so so self taught .. You have no idea but it's been about two decades now so,..m good I really like the darker sounds and venturing upon them, keeping in mind that the root to what m pondering or working upon is always legit,..I formed some chords that really was a worthy find in my quest .. Turns out they were diminished chord Since then I have been really eager to learn a whole no a Hell lot about them .. Thanks N please help more
I really like the concept of combining the major and minor triads that you can derive from diminished. One issue I have is some of them imply other sounds if you don’t hear them in context. For example if you play the Bb major triad, unless someone is comping a G7. Behind you, it sounds like you changed the chord to G-7. It’s obviously much more effective though if you combine the Bb triad with one of the other triads such as the E triad etc. Allan Holdsworth also has a hilarious lesson where he talks about how boring the diminished scale sounds, so he has to “jumble” up the notes 😂.
Mysterious sound with the diminshed scale…hard to get a grip on because of the symmetrical structure. The melodic minor scale is probable a little easier. The main thing though is to make good melodic lines. Thanks for the lesson, Jens 👍🇸🇪🇩🇰
Cool just had a revelation of taking the root note of the dominant and doing the triads from there and hadn’t realised that before doh 😂 been doing this on caravan cheers jens
Great lesson! Thank you for showing how to use this scale. i had a really hard time trying to make it musical. Great new production too! new camera or different lights? looks fantastic!!
I like to play this type progression with it C6/ F#dim7/ F6/ Fdim7/ Flipping through new inversions each type for melodic contours. But I used the diminished scale on them 2 chords during that duration. I find this form can be applicable to many situations.
Triads is a gret world to explore. Thank you very much. I have a question from a recent video (5 Excercises that will boost your tecnhinque...) The triads in Gm from one of the examples...can be used over a Cmaj7 progresion?
Just like the diminished scale contains major and minor chords it also contains different variations of quartal chords. The one with the Tritone as the lowest 4th is the most interesting sound (to me anyway) Does that help?
C# and Db are enharmonic. I would spell the Db triad, Db F Ab. Why, at 3:38, did you spell the triad with a C# ? I'm having a lot of fun with your video. Thank you for making it.
Thanks Jens! - such cool sounds out of the dim scale. It will take me a while to absorb. I really appreciate this video given I just emailed you a question about this exact topic. That's above and beyond to me.
hey jens, thank you so much for your output! your videos are still my main resource of learning since i was starting out! + one question! i didn't really found a video or a useful thread about this. Im trying to figure out how to superimpose the diminished scale, especially the major triads derived from it, in modal situations. common modal harmony like minor7, major7, dom7 in the blues and sus chords. i think, i hear that pretty often in a more weird, modern context. one idea i thought of, is to use the half whole dim. scale of the V chord of the given chord, but it's really hard to create melodies that make sense, maybe it's just the wrong approach. Would really appreciate an answer, or even a video on that topic! thank you, jens! :)
Glad to hear that! I actually talk about that in this video: th-cam.com/video/Rfx-95xOec4/w-d-xo.html and also in the video that I link to in the pinned comment :)
Okay, a very good lesson. But also Nice to see the approach of Jens larsen very "Zen" to the subject. A Huge compliment for really beautiful Licks you Created...I was also looking to your earlier lessons because really very interested material and complex to adapt it... your Way is really still very inspiring...I want to thank you because looking your lessons, I see that you are really interactive, keeping in mind the Public opinion, how difficult this maybe is on this rather new medium youtube-Tutorials...I maybe am boring, but still I would say...for diminished scale, is a nice scale for shredding...the 16th don't need to be fast,I have to say that your lines in 8th where very good that is why,,,I am interested what you would do in a 16th situation or maybe two bars a dominant is the fast 8ths is the same of course..maybe to give an example where our practice could lead us to????? If this is boring, don't read it.If not, Praise the Jazz G'ds!
Scuse me i would like to ask you a little thing: in this time I am writing a song just for fun. The chords are Em, G,D,A but i would like that theese chords sounds bluesy. I know that it is not the classic I - IV - V, but if it possibile I would like to give bluesy sound to theese guitar accompaniment. can you make some modification to theese chords please?
(Still the diminished Scale Sounds very strange on songs like all of etc.; or is it all about resolving and hitting the outside sounds Not on Strong beats?)
What do you play from the diminished scale?
Content:
0:00 Intro
0:45 Basic: The Scale and How To Play It
1:07 F dim or G half-whole
1:55 II V I with a Dom7th(13,b9)
2:10 Symmetrical and that is great (and it sucks at the same time)
2:30 Finding Some Triads
3:14 What Colors Do You Get?
4:03 Practicing Melodies in the scale
4:25 Example Lick #1 - Triad Inversions
4:48 Example Lick #2 -G7(b9,#9,#11)
5:05 Triad Pairs - These are not all Triad Pairs
5:37 Improvisation Exercise with the 4 Triads
6:08 Minor Triads
6:43 Lick using Minor Triads
6:50 An Amazing Quartal Arpeggio (and a lick)
7:16 mMaj7 Shell-Voicings
8:01 Melodic Minor and Why It is Awesome!
8:14 Like the video? Check out my Patreon Page!
Same reason I play any scale, to make rhythm. I often play chord changes as one note shots over certain strong beat notes in an improvised line, this helps me better understand the phrasing. I haven't tried this with the diminished scale yet though.
I'm most certainly going to write this lesson in my tab book. Whenever I learn one of the lines you are teaching, I usually write two or three more. I've got the Jazz way of thinking so well now that I can go over one of your lines and know how to present it without having to review your video. I can't honestly say that I totally don't need your videos anymore, but I can't afford the Gigabyte TH-cam video usage anymore. Perhaps in the future. Thanks for all your help. Sincerely: Damon Shanabarger
0:29 I'm sure they were not aware of that. Back in the year 1985 1985 1985, we all had to learn somewhere I declare, I'm not the only one, but then again it is a matter of perspective. Only those that could become one with the tree could always see itself. Nobody else could see it. What is now is not infinite to some, yet still now seen. 20 is four. Cat, Rabbit, Little Me. "No man has seen God at anytime, the only son in the bosom of the Father, to him God has declared him."
This is the most thorough lesson on the diminished scale I've ever seen.
It was 1985 when I saw her on the Metro Train. She said: "I love you Damon. Damon I love you. Damon, Damon, I love you Damon. I love you." She said that continually for several Metro Train Stations. At last I looked back at her. Tears ran down her cheeks. She appeared to be only a year old in her stroller. I think her parents were diplomats. I got off at the Silver Spring Metro Train Station. I haven't seen her since. Tiger, Bugs, and Little Me are asleep in their own corners of the Cube Space Time Continuum Universe. Uncle what's his face reincarnated to New York City. I heard she died last March on the news. I never liked Uncle what's his face. What's four? The Twenty Spirits that dwell within the twenty black holes of the Cube Space Time Continuum Universe are what's four. Creation is a matter of perspective is a lie unless proportioned one moment to the next is being created. To say created something that has always existed the same history is the Devil in the details. There is nothing created.
I've been finding it really hard to use the diminished scale without it sounding like I'm just fumbling around. This has made it sound a lot more harmonic, thank you!
Great to hear!
great stuff Jens. made me laugh those robotic patterns at the beginning, but so TRUE!
Haha, Thanks Nick! I think the Robot may indeed return more often :) Hope you and the familay are staying safe!
@@JensLarsen Yeah, we are cool thanks.
I used to love those patterns like 30 years ago!!! big hug. Congtrats BTW!!!!
In eight minutes of video you have aptly described a lifetime of study..Thanks Jens for your knowledge and teaching.
Love your Channel Jens. You're the only guy I've ever seen on TH-cam who's explained this scale correctly. By that, I mean, letting students know there are also major and minor triads in the scale as well. A lot of harmonic information to be found with the Diminished scale to keep one busy for a long time.
Thanks Patrick!
That part kinda blew my mind, I've always viewed diminished chords only as passing chords
Ahh finally! This is exactly what I was looking for! Your opening comments about the scale nailed it! I totally agree.
You're very welcome! Glad you like it!
Thank you for making this video. Understanding the diminished scale over G13b9 is exactly what I was looking for. Nobody else comes close to this jazz depth.
Thank you! Glad it was helpful 🙂
The quality is insane! Keep up the good work.
Thanks! Glad you like it!
As an amateur pop-rocker who casually wanted to see what kind of dark stuff I could make with the diminished scale this video was quite the wake up call of what else I could learn. Time to get studying!
Go for it! :)
Diminished Scales are definitely an interesting and unique approach! A sure and fine lesson as always!
Glad you like it :)
@@JensLarsen Ahh always a pleasure!
You are a great, great teacher Jens! Im coming back to this lesson more times!!!"!
Great! Go for it!
This lesson is blowing my mind! Incredible! Thank you, Mr Larsen
Glad you liked it!
It's nice to see this video and compare it to another one you did a few years ago, when the channel was starting. The quality of the sound, image, and light is way much better. The content was always great :)
Jens, you unlocked the diminished scale for me. Realizing that the same scale, a 3rd apart, just created huge freedom. I always could "see" this when playing keys, but this really unlocked a ton for me on the guitar. That coupled with the awareness of the triads is huge. Just had a ton of fun just playing over a single chord dominant vamp!
That's great! Go for it 🙂
Predictable shred hahaha
Jens, I just really wanna praise your work here on YT. Through all of this time that I've been following your work, I always see a very creative man who is always searching and developing his musical approach, and of course always giving us something to learn. Very inspiring!! Thank you so much, I wish I could meet you personally someday. Cheers!
Thank you so much Mila! You never know, maybe we will meet sometime.
Arguably, Mr. Larsen is the best Jazz teacher of TH-cam! Luckily there happens to be Him :)
Top notch quality as usual, Jens! Patterns can certainly be difficult to deal with, more so the shorter ones (like, four note patterns), because they are so easy to spot. I really like how Jonathan Kreisberg makes them work, (I mean he has A LOT of patterns under his fingers) he creates this very rich sheet of sound kinda thing that fits really well into his style
Very true! I actually think that Kreisberg is more creative with repetition than just using simple scale patterns, at least the stuff I think off with this :)
I've been following you for the last 2 years (although jazz actually made sense to me in the last 1 month lol) and the production quality of your videos have massively improved
Well, Jens, I'm supposed to be out sweeping my carport, however, I came in to check the weather on my PC and saw your new video up, and for the last several minutes I've been working out & riffing on that mM shell voicing you showed in the last minute or so of your video. Nice! (The carport can wait for a while...maybe several hours!) An informative & concise usable lesson as usual!
Another excellent, clearly laid out lesson.
Glad you think so, Peter! :)
Fascinating, we spend so much time thinking about going outside to sound modern, this is really intensive inside. Great look and breakdown, as always, Thank You...! B-)
I am so happy to see someone explaining how to make music from the different symmetrical scales.
utilising them the same as major and minor scales as source material to create melodies.
I take jazz guitar lessons and I complement them with your teachings - thank you! It was an "ah ha" moment when you broke down phrasing using triads vs. just seeing a diminished scale that moves around in minor 3rds.
I'm also practicing from the book "Melodic Rhythms for Guitar" (Berklee Press), and I see a number of their rhythmic patterns in your phrases. It would be interesting to have a lesson(s) on common rhythmic phrases in jazz, i.e., ones to get in the pocket to improve the swing, syncopation, etc.
Thanks Jens and have a great holiday :)
M so so self taught .. You have no idea but it's been about two decades now so,..m good
I really like the darker sounds and venturing upon them, keeping in mind that the root to what m pondering or working upon is always legit,..I formed some chords that really was a worthy find in my quest ..
Turns out they were diminished chord
Since then I have been really eager to learn a whole no a Hell lot about them ..
Thanks
N please help more
Thanks Master! 💟
You're welcome 😊
@@JensLarsen you have a perfect musical brain. Thanks Again master!
Great lesson, thanks🎸👍
Glad you like it 🙂
“Too predictable” sounds better than anything I’ve ever played lol
You just don't appreciate how you surprise yourself :)
@@JensLarsenGreat comment Jens!
I really like the concept of combining the major and minor triads that you can derive from diminished. One issue I have is some of them imply other sounds if you don’t hear them in context. For example if you play the Bb major triad, unless someone is comping a G7. Behind you, it sounds like you changed the chord to G-7. It’s obviously much more effective though if you combine the Bb triad with one of the other triads such as the E triad etc.
Allan Holdsworth also has a hilarious lesson where he talks about how boring the diminished scale sounds, so he has to “jumble” up the notes 😂.
In music context is everything, including combining major and minor "frauds" :D
Jens Larsen lol I hate autocorrect. But yes playing a Bb triad on a G7 chord is a fraud! It’s trying to trick you in to hearing G-7 😂
WOW! Let's go.. Thanks for this material.
Enjoy! Hope you dig it!
Mysterious sound with the diminshed scale…hard to get a grip on because of the symmetrical structure. The melodic minor scale is probable a little easier. The main thing though is to make good melodic lines. Thanks for the lesson, Jens 👍🇸🇪🇩🇰
Indeed :)
perfect lesson- very useful
Thank you 🙂
Thank you for the bunch of colors !!!
You are very welcome!
Thank you for the lesson 🙏🙏
My pleasure
Thank you Sir Jens👍
Welcome 👍
Great Jens...Its a plesure to take a your lesson.
Thank you! 😃 Glad you like it!
love the editing ❤️
Thank you! also on behalf of Luciano! :)
Amazing content, thank you!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I like the look this video .
( great content as usual )
Thanks :)
Cool just had a revelation of taking the root note of the dominant and doing the triads from there and hadn’t realised that before doh 😂 been doing this on caravan cheers jens
So helpful, thanks so much.
You are very welcome!
adore you Jens
Thanks Ramiro! :)
Great lesson!
Thank you for showing how to use this scale. i had a really hard time trying to make it musical.
Great new production too! new camera or different lights? looks fantastic!!
Glad it was helpful! Not so much new gear as just me trying to learn to use it better :)
Love you bro
I like to play this type progression with it
C6/ F#dim7/ F6/ Fdim7/
Flipping through new inversions each type for melodic contours.
But I used the diminished scale on them 2 chords during that duration.
I find this form can be applicable to many situations.
Omg that robot with the guitarpro lick 😂😂😂
Glad you like that :)
Triads is a gret world to explore. Thank you very much. I have a question from a recent video (5 Excercises that will boost your tecnhinque...) The triads in Gm from one of the examples...can be used over a Cmaj7 progresion?
Triads in Gm don't really work with Cmaj7, Gm has a Bb, Cmaj7 has a B :)
At 7:03, you describe F, B and E as a quartal arpeggio. However, isn't the B the fifth degree of the F whole/half scale, and the fourth degree is Bb?
Just like the diminished scale contains major and minor chords it also contains different variations of quartal chords. The one with the Tritone as the lowest 4th is the most interesting sound (to me anyway)
Does that help?
@@JensLarsen yes. Thank you
thankyou!
You're welcome!
C# and Db are enharmonic. I would spell the Db triad, Db F Ab. Why, at 3:38, did you spell the triad with a C# ? I'm having a lot of fun with your video. Thank you for making it.
What chord is it use on?
Thanks Jens! - such cool sounds out of the dim scale. It will take me a while to absorb. I really appreciate this video given I just emailed you a question about this exact topic. That's above and beyond to me.
Glad it was helpful! I had actually made the video when you mailed me, but it is great that the timing worked out like this :)
hey jens, thank you so much for your output! your videos are still my main resource of learning since i was starting out! + one question! i didn't really found a video or a useful thread about this. Im trying to figure out how to superimpose the diminished scale, especially the major triads derived from it, in modal situations. common modal harmony like minor7, major7, dom7 in the blues and sus chords. i think, i hear that pretty often in a more weird, modern context. one idea i thought of, is to use the half whole dim. scale of the V chord of the given chord, but it's really hard to create melodies that make sense, maybe it's just the wrong approach. Would really appreciate an answer, or even a video on that topic! thank you, jens! :)
Glad to hear that! I actually talk about that in this video: th-cam.com/video/Rfx-95xOec4/w-d-xo.html
and also in the video that I link to in the pinned comment :)
@@JensLarsen whoa, thanks for the quick response, i'll check it out right away! :)
@@saschmato8307 Go for it, and let me know what you think! :)
@@JensLarsen ..very much useful information as always, just picked a few ideas i will mess around with later, helped out a lot already, thank you!🙏
Okay, a very good lesson. But also Nice to see the approach of Jens larsen very "Zen" to the subject. A Huge compliment for really beautiful Licks you Created...I was also looking to your earlier lessons because really very interested material and complex to adapt it... your Way is really still very inspiring...I want to thank you because looking your lessons, I see that you are really interactive, keeping in mind the Public opinion, how difficult this maybe is on this rather new medium youtube-Tutorials...I maybe am boring, but still I would say...for diminished scale, is a nice scale for shredding...the 16th don't need to be fast,I have to say that your lines in 8th where very good that is why,,,I am interested what you would do in a 16th situation or maybe two bars a dominant is the fast 8ths is the same of course..maybe to give an example where our practice could lead us to????? If this is boring, don't read it.If not, Praise the Jazz G'ds!
cool man
Great Lesson! New Camera?
Thank you! Well, actually I have had this camera for about a year, but maybe I (finally) learned to use it? :D
Love your prerecorded stuff, but do you ever do Skype or other video lessons?
Thank you Bruce! I don't have time to do those, but if you send me an e-mail I can recommend a good teacher :)
Scuse me i would like to ask you a little thing: in this time I am writing a song just for fun. The chords are Em, G,D,A but i would like that theese chords sounds bluesy. I know that it is not the classic I - IV - V, but if it possibile I would like to give bluesy sound to theese guitar accompaniment. can you make some modification to theese chords please?
But you can consider this triads as a cuatriads as a 7th chords. Make a 7th dominant in each step of the disminished arpeggio, isn't it?
You can indeed make them 7th chords as well
ur humor is so damn funny! HAHAHAHA
Thank you 😁
(Still the diminished Scale Sounds very strange on songs like all of etc.; or is it all about resolving and hitting the outside sounds Not on Strong beats?)
The diminished scale is not really a part of tonal harmony, so it more of a special effect :)
The only way I found to play this scale (h/w) is thinking about R-b9, #9-3, b5-5, etc...knowing this steps, I can work with it, no patterns
That is a solid way to get into it :)
Ik heb nu ook het ritme van de laatste akkoordjes in me hoofd zitten. Maar nu moet ik het nog ff smoef krijgen
Symmetrical Scales by Don Mock
Ey Zuivelhoeve Boer'n yoghurt is echt goeie
How about a lesson on using bends in a jazz context?
0:33 but repetition legitimizes
I think so
🎼👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🎼
Thank you, I am glad you found it useful! 👍
5:48
Im a metal guitarist lol
Congratulations 🎊 😁
1:59 Jens!! Wtf?!? Lol
😁
Just too much brother
I know the scales whats the use
Music is more than scales :)
Too repetetive? B-but...but...but I thought repetition legitimises?