Has Adobe gone completely MAD ? ( And why I cancelled my subscription after decades of use )
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มิ.ย. 2024
- After decades of using Adobe products, I finally cancelled my subscription.
They've gone too far.
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How can they think artists would agree to this?
The NDA issue is potentially so explosive 😮
Hoping people won't read the small print ?
Imagine you already paid 1 year subscription and suddenly you can't open it until you accept new terms, what would you do? you have still 6 month already paid and maybe you are in the middle of a project.
@@Mrproto To my knowledge a change in terms mid-contract voids the agreement and gives you an "out". Getting Adobe to "let you out" is a whole different story
NDA's and like he said just working on client work in general. The client is the rights holder not me so I have no legal right to grant adobe the rights they are asking for.
Same thing if I am working on material I don;t own but in a FAIR USE allowed way. MY use of the material might be allowed under fair use doctrine but that doesn;t grant me the right to assign perpetual rights to that material to Adobe!
I saw the writting on the wall when Creative Cloud was announced ... last version of Adobe's tools I've used (other than LiveCycle Designer ... for my government dayjob) was CS6.
I've been using Clip Studio Paint because it has a perpetual license. It's very sad that big companies like Adobe are not content with ripping people off with high priced subscriptions but want to steal our work completely. Hopefully Adobe has enough reputation and business damage to dissuade other companies from trying to pull the same move
I'm happy to say I've never used any of the CC tools or saved a single image in their cloud.
Exactly it is not rocket science if you don't want your images to be used by Adobe don't store them on their cloud . I store 100% of my stuff locally , hard drives and NAS are not that expensive
Same here 👍
I quit Adobe (Acrobat) when they asked to pay for a monthly fee to use it. I used it to create around 5 small pdf a year.
Yeah, Acrobat isn't needed with MSFT making most features built into and better products for creating fillable forms.
After I graduated, I closed my Adobe subscription about a couple of weeks before my next renewal, and they billed me for over $200. That's the thanks I get for paying for their services and doing things the right way, by the book. Lesson learned! 😡
I know, right ?
They did this to me almost 4 years ago, but it was more like 1,200 USD. Told me that it was a yearly subscription billed monthly. I called AMEX and they took the money back from Adobe with a chargeback. Then, somehow my business checkcard was debited. I had to call BofA to dispute it again. Eff Adobe!
As a teacher, I always recommend Adobe Alternatives to my students unless they plan on using the software professionally and I always make sure that they know that the "generous" student discount that Adobe offers is with a not so obvious annual contract not month to month as it appears.
@@portersblackboard I wish I had a teacher like you! My tutor actually suggested we all take advantage of this "generous" Adobe offer. Also, I owe Mike here for my diploma because his Maya tutorials taught me more than what my tutor did.
Affinity software is also an paid alternative (one time license). But anyway I am glad that there is more competition in 3D software so I am not treated like a garbage from Unity, Houdini and Blender.
I just jumped on the Affinity train today as well.
Got Affinity Suite yesterday
I've been using Affinity for years now and never looked back. I might not gain the newest features but at least the ToS aren't crazy.
Blender? Blender is free open source
@@randall.chamberlain Blender is business that worth millions of dollars. They make good profit through it, not in the way Adobe or Autodesk though, but still they are in competition forcing other companies to improvement and reconsider their price, and so on. Yes, if you are a small studio like for indie games and you choose Blender over 3D Max or Maya in my opinion you don't loose much or anything. Let alone Houdini have free version for non-commercial use that allows you to output obj, VDB even as animation which is actually plenty enough for Student or Hobbyist. Houdini cost around 20 per month, Maya Indie similar too 20 $ bucks!!!, creative cloud cost 60 $ , but you usually want only one or two or max tree programs, so it is actually priced much worse for much basic and simple software, because they thing they have no competition.
I just quit Adobe and we'll see how I do, but how does Adobe expect me to answer to a client trusting me with Highly Confidential legal documents? I might as well invite opposing counsel into the warroom.
Could be worse ... you could email opposing cousel all your documents like that one lawyer did with what's his names case ... Alex Jones. LOL
I use Adobe LR & PS, but I DON"T use the cloud. All my images are stored on hard drives, so only I have access. I'm perfectly happy with them!
Until they change the T0S again ...
Absolutely agree - I store my work on my PC and a backup drive. Why would anyone store their work on the hardware of someone else?
I guess I am just a little paranoid. I never use the cloud storage because they push it too hard. I figure if they didn't gain something, they would stop trying to get me to use it. For that reason I don't use it.
I quit Adobe ages ago as I really never used it enough to pay a subscription for. Affinity Designer and Affinity Photo, for me, were a great replacement.
I also quit my Adobe subscription yesterday.
Smart man. And before you go and buy Affinity, I will be giving a way 5 full licenses in an upcoming video
Before all of their rubbish being revealed, I was going to purchase Substance Painter & Substance Designer. I changed my mind, and I'm using alternatives instead. Those products are good, definitely up there with the best, but I'm going to ignore Adobe and pick a different provider.
Affinity ?
@@MHTutorials3D Affinity doesn;t have a substance painter / substance designer alternative but there ARE good alternatives to those programs.
I quit using the software when they stopped selling the software on CD / DVD. I'm not interested in paying them endless money.
We had Adobe shares and we sold all of them yesterday. We made a pretty nice profit and that's it with Adobe for us.
Hey Mike, I just grabbed the Affinity setup today. Do you know of anything that may be a decent alternative to Substance Painter? I do happen to do work that is under NDAs and I don't think that I want to take any chances, not to mention, Adobe's new stance just completely turned me off.
Free alternative to Substance Painter ? Sure... Blender :-)
@@MHTutorials3D There is an addon that is free, you can paint like substance painter, but of course like everything in life since its free it comes with limitations. Its called "HAS Paint Layers" i recently jumped into Blender and am loving it
@@MHTutorials3D @diggydretv InstaMat has a free tier too. It's a decent Substance (both painter and designer) alternative.
armor paint is a alternative , not as performant but at least open source
Substance Painter, Designer, and Modeler are on Steam at a fixed price. It used to be $150 each, but it went up recently for the current $200 version. I don't think Substance Painter is included in Adobe's new controversial rights, right? But for an alternative, I'd recommend Blender.
Krita is the best free Photoshop alternative I've used. Anyone know a a good (non node-based) After Effects alternative?
What type of work you wanna do with it?
@@barbi111 Variety of effects, similar as what can be done in After Effects
DaVinci Resolve's Fusion is pretty good.
I would have said the closest one to PRemiere/After Effects would have been HitFilm. I used it for years but they got bought but Artlist and Artlist basically took HitFilm to the back yeard, shot it and left it in a shallow grave.
Node based editing isn;t THAT complicated. I;ve moved over to DaVinci Resolve Studio and it only took me a little bit to get comfertable with Fusion and now I never want to go back to layer based compositing again ... even for MoGraph work.
is it just if your storing your files on their cloud server , i dont use their cloud to save files , just local on my storage unit?
They can get access to your file even before you can hit the "save file" button, just saying.
They removed the "Cloud Services" line ... if you use any of their AI stuff (firefly for example) it MIGHT be sending it to their servers and so it falls under these clauses. and since they are pushing HARD on AI who knows what or when your data is sent to their servers for processing.
@@EricLefebvrePhotography Sadly, base on how they can legit change the ToS on the fly, it just a sign confirmed to me this=> They're already done training their AI on user data and ready to bring it to the market. The change in ToS is just a final step for them to make it legally.
=> Keep in mind that they have plan and work and invest on it for year. Do you think they would throw away year of training AI just because of a few word on the term of user?? Not in million years.
Mike, do you have any suggestions for an alternative to Substance Painter?
Try Quixel Mixer. It’s free and very good.
Yep, Blender
I never planned to get photo shop under subscription model am wanting to get affinity but there are some features holding me back like the channel editing
Missing alternatives:
- krita (photoshop drawing and 2d animation replacement), open source + super high quaility program. Free. Will open psd files too.
- hitfilm (after effects + premiere) although they may have changed..... Free + also pay one for a forever license.
- gimp and raw therapee for RAW files. With the photogimp addon, you can use your photoshop muscle memory.
It's a bit frustrating to re-learn to do things differently in a different program, but luckly we have super cool people all over youtube helping us re-learn.
does any other software duplicate LR processing? Or am I stuck with LR for life?
There are alternatives, but there isn't an exact one-to-one alternative for Light Room.
Free and highly granular control alternative: Darktable.
Single payment or subscription (not sure which method) alternative: Capture One.
Affinity Photo 2
Affinity Photo is remarkably good at processing RAW. If you need more, look at Darktable. It's free/open source and _very_ powerful. There _is_ a learning curve, but many prefer it to LR as it's more powerful.
in my opinion, they gone mad since they made their products subscribtion only, without an option to buy the software.
People acepted that so this was just another logical step.
Well...enjoy all of you that acepted that shit in the first place for "convinience" or idk why tf you acepted it..
Sadly for the broader market their subscription model has been a massive money maker for them and few other companies are doing similar stuff. Even software that you can buy outright such as DXO pureraw { a great bit of software for NR } have relatively short versions times and you need to pay again for newer versions
Why would anyone store their work on the hardware of someone else? I love Adobe editing software and am happy to pay the monthly fee to use it. However, I store my work on my hard drive(s) & back ups and nowhere near theirs so see no problem. Also, in the event of a failure at their end it cannot get lost / stolen etc
i start to boycat lot of things...and it's not hard !! its very easy
It is
I don't think I'm using the Cloud services- I use the software but store everything locally, but this has me wondering if Adobe is "storing" any portion of my content for their use, like previews.
I think if you store locally, you should be good
@@MHTutorials3D Thanks. Tony notes that that is not explicitly stated in any of Adobe's privacy/transparency info, so shouldn't be assumed. I'll wait for clarification.
My understanding (from other YT videos in the subject - inc Tony Northrop) is that its files stored in CC /and/ images processed using server-based AI. Exactly which functions they are… I don’t know.
I’m using Adobe at work - the Premier Pro transcription features mean I’m using that more than FCP now though it doesn’t other things worse, and none of our content is commercially sensitive. Ditto firefly for creative graphics.
Personally I moved to ON1 for photos as it had the best catalogue features after apple abandoned Aperture, but its photo editing, masking in particular feels to be years behind Adobe.
It’s the difference between giving them the legal right to hold copies in order to provide the service users need and giving themselves the right to reuse and give others access to the material we work on.
Quite happy using the affinity suite. Wouldn’t want to go back to adobe even if they somehow reverse all of their vile positions.
I'm agree with you in those point and that's why I left Adobe five years ago and now I got Affinity Designer, Affinity Photo and Affinity Publisher.
I have those as well :-)
I remember having to install it from floppy for people at work and it was painful. There are many companies that have just horrible TOS. I remember a number of them said that they and their sister companies have the right to re-use your images for many uses including advertising and such without any compensation.
I remember it too. I started in IT in 1983
A subscription model of any kind stifles creativity. The creative process for artists sometimes has long periods of NOT doing anything until the idea or inspiration comes. Also, a subscription model is biased against slow learners, as they will have to pay more to learn the program.
I used to make art using the 'reflection' feature in Liquefy and Adobe removed it. I quit my sub for all of these reasons some years ago.
I purchased a Synology NAS and a DAS filled them with hard drives and store my photos and content there, don't use the cloud for any content
Is better to save money on cloud storage to build a good NAS, your own personal cloud
We're on the same page !
I am interested to see how Adobe stock fairs. And Canva couldn't have timed their acquisition of Affinity software any better.
Just jumped, but that was due to their earnings report, a lagging indicator. The next earnings report should be interesting!
I was actually thinking of switching to a different editing program that was not Adobe CC before this because of cost. This just backs up my decision, tbh. If they're going to try and steal people's work while charging them a hefty fee, who knows what else they're going to do in the future.
What about content saved locally?
Should be ok
Are you really safe if you don't use the cloud? I don't think that's clear from their wording.
if something is not clear, then they try to hide it. use affinity
Nope. With their push to AI you would be sending data to their servers ... Firefly for example is done on their servers.
Is there an alternative to Adobe's InDesign?
There is actually. It's called Affinity Publisher. ( It's a one time purchase, no Cloud stuff etc ) But before you run off and buy it... I will be doing a video soon where I give away 5 full licenses for their entire suite.
@@MHTutorials3D Can confirm the Affinity Suite is a legit alternative for everything desktop-publishing related.
Affinity Publisher is all sorts of amazing.
Affinity Publisher is fantastic. But get the entire suite, all 3 apps, all 3 platforms, one time price. Rock solid.
It is my content - but i dont have the permission from my customer to feed an ai. So I cant use the cloud anymore and have to pay for it?
In my country, people with Adobe certification and skills are given more preference in any design jobs over design graduates & open source equivalent tools. It's good MH has raised concerns about Adobe Creative Cloud in an educated manner.
That might change if the clients fear adobe getting licenses to their materials.
I wonder how long before Adobe incorporate CC content from users that have NOT agreed to the new T&Cs?
I wonder whether they Adobe will delete the standard content backups they do of their systems relating to all users not agreeing to the insane T&Cs and who may have also deleted their content from the Cloud?
I wonder how soon Adobe start facing major lawsuits for breaching Client rights based on NDAs and Contracts and T&Cs the Artist has signed with Clients.
I fully expect to see heads roll on the Adobe side, a big climb down - but a sticking to these new T&Cs as they are so 'far behind all the other platforms that did all this for their AI initiatives way, way, way back.
You can't save to the Adobe cloud unless you accept their terms....
@@MHTutorials3Dyou can't even access your own existing content unless you click "agree".
So, it's basically ransomware!
@@deleaptealeaf8935 I know
You can't NOT agree. Peoiple have reported popups demanding you agree for you to be able to access your work.
god damn it. and i had just started to learn photoshop again after not using it for more than a year.
I never had the need to use their cloud.. HD are so cheap now I don't see the need
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As a Brazilian I have known this song for as long as I can remember haha third world problems I guess
@@wallacesousuke1433 You mean first world problems ?
@@MHTutorials3D considering where the software industry is heading with their absurd pricing models and EULA's, I guess so lol
WOW, won't be long before Autodesk does this with their software like Fusion 360 and whatnot.
Bought Adobe shares when they started software as rental. Only way to win against Apple, Google, MSFT, META, Amazon, Nvidea etc. is to own them imho. My many tech stocks have turned out very nicely so cost is not a worry. However, avoid cloud services if at all possible myself. Remember; you are the product. .
I've NEVER used their cloud storage knowing something like this would happen.
Still use the software, I work in the creative industry and I need to collaborate with others who use this product line.
Just don't use the online storage.
The problem is that you are saying you need to use it because everyone NEEDS to use it. The only reason they are odminant is because people are allowing them to be dominant. Sure it would take a shift in the industry but at what point are people going to say "Enough, we're the clients! Not the product."?
@@EricLefebvrePhotographyI'm not cancelling my subscription, but I'll monitor this situation...
My understanding was that they could always use your content it was just that few took the time to look.
This is horribly disappointing.
I love the Adobe products and use them often.
I almost cancelled last year just because i didn't want to pay for it, and I'm so not onboard with the AI features...but they offered me a discount, so i renewed.
I 100% don't agree with the terms, and will be cancelling.🙄
Best of luck to you.
If you haven't already, get the Affinity suite. You'll be glad you did. One time price, not RENTING.
mad world we live in :(
Rats, if I had known this sooner I wouldn't have replaced my recently dead iMac/Wacom tablet using Photoshop with an iPad.
Maybe luckily, I did choose the Affinity 1 payment apps over Adobe's subscription forever app.
A bit of drama here. All cloud storage do this because they have to comply with laws that prohibit storage of pornographic or terrorist material. V2 section was clarified by Adobe and does not mean what you say. BTW, you don't have to store your content on the cloud.
Did they mention anything about pork or local laws? Nope! And if what they say is true... then even if it were porn... they own it.
@@innercynic2784 not local laws. A specific federal law regarding child porn (images depicting child pornography). No, they wouldn't own it, but they would be violating the law if it was in their servers.
So adobe is technically breaking NDAs. Which can and probably will result in them eventually being sued.
AND they're trying to say they own your artwork?? Yeah im unsubscribing once i get home.
You can not use my content that I made, and you cant break an NDA that to an IP that you dont own.
Techincally we are, as we are forced to automatically grant them a license to the content we save on their cloud. If there is an NDA in place we are breaking it by granting them a license
Do we know that everyone at Adobe is safe & secure from hackers from foreign powers? Or insider trading getting advanced notice of market trades?
They have a bad history with licensing.
Imagine renting a storage unit and the place telling you they now own your content and can do what they want with it.
Try to store as little content in their cloud as possible.
If the purpose of the licensing changes is to allow their AI processing/learning tools access, then that should be laid-out separately and specifically in the license agreement with opt-out options for the user. I have a 10 year old paid-for photoshop version and will never upgrade. I've already purchased Affinity as a future backup plan. They have annual sales where you can get the product for a reasonable price. I hate and avoid the subscription software model as much as I can but understand that's where the real money is as your are held hostage. It's also a shame that the Substance suite of products was acquired by Adobe. It is the best 3d painting/texturing product in the world.
That is INSANE. Thank you for explaining it so simply. The licensing? Absurd. The looking and listening? Offensive. The audacity! Thank goodness people are spreading the word on this nonsense. Artists already have enough bs, now we cannot even make digital art without the tools disrespecting us. Ffs. I am sure these are all legal loopholes for ai use of our art for their own gain without having to pay us. Thank god I use Procreate right now. I was just thinking how I need to go back to photoshop and illustrator bc I find procreate a bit limiting. But now I absolutely won't. Yikes. This is so disheartening. I hope whoever came up with this, allowed it, and ultimately profit from Adobe corporate all go bankrupt from this absolutely daft decision. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. All the artists big and small are gonna drop them because those clauses are unfathomable. And they should.
I personally am moving to Affinity. Perfect Photoshop lookalike, one time purchase, no cloud, no nonsense
I love how Adobe wants to be the police ... the police would need a warrant to search your files. Not Adobe. LOL
@@MHTutorials3D oo I’ll have to look into that.
@@EricLefebvrePhotography yeah sneaking that in the fine print is shady. ACAB, adobe cops are bad 😂
@@RealCheeseOnly LOL
You got it right. You must not upload NDA content to a cloud. But you can use their software without using the cloud easily.
True
Are you using any of the AI features? Do you know if when you use a feature if it;s done locally or on their servers? What if they change how things are processed in the back end so that content is sent to their servers for processing ... like they have a better cloud algorythm for transcrtions and they make the change in an update and all you usee in th echangelog, if you even bother reading it, is that they made improvements to the transcription tool.
This is a liability.
I listened for four minutes or so. I wonder why you are using cloud storage ?
I never have ; HDD mechanical drives are cheap storage .
Affinity, DaVinci Resolve, Inkscape also come to mind.
By the way, this is not Adobe's fault.
It's the users.
In a free market, Adobe can do whatever they want.
I do really hope that plenty of their customers will get into trouble for breaching NDA agreements so that they will FINALLY wake up (as was not the case when Adobe switched to their own-nothing-and-be-happy subscription model).
What WILL more likely happen is everyone adopting the usual "Meh, industry standard, let's not change anything" attitude.
Having been trained on the best artists' work, Adobe's AI tools will consequently become second to none which will cement their position as the de facto industry leader.
As mentioned (also by other commenters), there are plenty of viable alternatives.
That's not entirely true ... Adobe should not have been allowed to gain a practical monopoly on creative tools like it has. It;s not a TRUE monopoly ... at least not anymore, but the aqusitions they made should have poped up some red flags about the health of the creative tools market.
We have way more options now but for a while it was Adobe or ... what? Nothing.
Agree 100%. People never took a stand against the evil *_pay-forever-to-edit-your-own-files_* RENTAL scheme, and that emboldened Adobe to do whatever they pleased.
Tony Northrup has a very good breakdown of how unacceptable this change is, if Im allowed to reference another channel...
Of course
I always kept my payment plan on a Visa Debit. Since this took place, I stopped payments and deleted all Adobe software from our systems. Our studio no longer supports this company. I would hope the rest of you to stop payment with Adobe for 3 months to starve them of money. This will be fixed if you stop paying the services.
and the stock rockets :x
Wow, that is hard to believe. Still down almost 12% for the year, but yeah, big jump at yesterday's close. Unless I missed some announcement, seems suspicious... EDIT: It was due to their earnings report, which is a lagging indicator. The next earnings report will be the one to watch. Maybe time to short some ADBE!
@@LV4EVR You are so right !
Use open source software like GIMP and leave the monopolies alone
GIMP, and Inkscape for that matter, are great. But they don't work for most professionals. Software like Affinity offers a fantastic alternative with sane pricing and one-time purchase.
What about those that don't save anything to the cloud? Personal hard drives only for me.
I've never once trusted ANY cloud service, nor will I start now!
You should be ok, to my knowledge
I saw someone mention a fee for opting out?? I didn't look into it bc I don't plan on purchasing their products in protest to this shit call, so I'm not sure if that's true, but I wouldn't put it past them at this point.
@@RealCheeseOnly Yes ! The longer you still have to go on your contract, the bigger the penalty. They make the penalty-free window as short as possible to increase the risk of you forgetting to cancel.
@@MHTutorials3D AI tools are run through their servers.
Adobe behaves like as if you bought a car, then after a few years they can unilaterally change the TOS such that you no longer own the car and you have to pay a subscription for it to be able to use it at all, then a new TOS kills the car forcing you to buy a new one. At the same time TOS is changed such that your GPS are shared in real-time to "enable smart maps", then after a while your insurance goes up if you drives like a maniac, and BTW, the latest TOS change will automatically send you fines from the police for speeding or for parking tickets. Then a TOS will enable audio and facial recording in the car, no matter if you use a phone or not, the car has one built in... Does this sound "fair"? Do you wish this to happen? If not, stop Adobe from doing their senseless TOS change, and all other software companies. HOW can these TOS even be legal to begin with???
When I first heard about this my thoughts were that it was some naive stupidity that would be corrected rapidly. However, it looks like a conscious and deliberate action to collect data primarily for AI purposes. Glad that I dumped Adobe when they first went subscription.
And everyone laughed at me for STILL using CS6 TO THIS DAY for ALL my work. It's on my computer, no shared, no cloud, no AI. Hah! Turns out being stuck in your ways works out!
Smart
Still got my CS6 license! Fuck Adobe's subscription-based service!
@@TokenBlackman7 Spoken like a true gentlemen LOL
Last month Adobe revoked my perpetual CS6 license. A LEGIT license!!!!!! I am on Affinity train but I will try again to get them to unrevoke it! Contacted them 4 times already. F Adobe!
Still using LR 6.14 perpetual licence now with Topaz and neo as plugins. Gives me more than Adobe Classic presently provides.
The Microsoft recall thing is much worse , a lot more folk { though still tiny compared to windows } have been looking Linux , with programs like Gimp { bit of deep dive needed to get to grips with all it offers } being very capable. I suspect however that the majority will just tick the box and carry on. Apple are of course no better
Be careful if you cancel your sub, they might charge for the remaining year
I've heard ... downgrade to the cheapest plan first, then immediately cancel. _Supposedly_ allows you to then cancel without penalty. Can't verify. Left them when RENTING became the only option. Loving that I transitioned to Affinity early. 😉
That is exactly why I do not use the cloud service from Adobe, In fact I don't trust any of my files to any other owner of a computer or as they call it to cloud services.... yes I use the standard apple thing of 50 Gb but that does not crack me (for now) I still use photoshop, because I like it, got so used to it but that doesn't mean that I grant them all rights without any restriction over my files.... No way and never will.
So what will I do?: use photoshop and related until the day they they kick me to out with some arrogant regulation.
As for Adobe, I just say this to them: Remember the day Goliath was taken down by David with a stone? Same will happen to you if keep looking for your very own and very special "Bud-light" moment!
You have never owned the software. Wether you bought it on Floppies, CD or online download. It has always been a license to use. Same as Movies and music. Owning a DVD or CD doesn't mean you "own" the content.
No but it was harder for the company to suddenly change the deal so hard you could no longer use it.
True. But I own the medium upon which the content is stored. So the answer is to move said content to your own locally controlled medium and erase everything off of Adobe. For that matter, with MS pulling their Copilot garbage, you may have to get rid of windows to protect yourselves.
@@innercynic2784 I have a dual boot of Mint on my main rig for testing ... if I can get Affinity Suite to run off it I'm gone. Everything else works fine. My games library on steam does take a bit of a hit (138 working form 401) but that's straight from Steam. Still have to do some more testing.
I believe this is the very definition of "theft". Lawsuits incoming.
Cloud Storage as a concept was clearly a route to ripping off creative work. At best it gave big-IT a huge pool to trawl through data mining or AI training. To date, I’ve never relied on the Cloud. Everything stays on a couple of external hard drives, lead & backup. The backup spends most of its life in a different building. At worst I’ll lose a week’s work. It’s a discipline but my work remains safer than in the Cloud. Who’d waste time hacking me when the real fishing grounds are the Clouds? Adobe are just being bold, the first to be spotted with their fingers in the till. How many other Cloud providers are doing the same but have hidden their trail better?
The more I do with the Internet, the less I trust it.
AFAIK nothing in their terms mention that this is limited to cloud storage.
They could do this with your local content too.
Adobe has become the Jabba the Hutt of corporate greed and overreach. Their whole cynical spin on this has been nauseating to listen to. I no longer trust or support them.
The pain, chaos and ordeal people brought upon themselves because they opted out of using their brains when the fluffy word "cloud" was mixed with the the very serious word "storage".
Nothing in their terms mention that this is limited to cloud storage! They could do that with your local content as well.
@@deleaptealeaf8935 No, they could not.
Capital f adobe
"Breaking the law" is very different than "breaching a contract." You might technically be breaching a contract by uploading client information to Adobe, but no one would reasonably say, "you are breaking the law" because there is no "law" that you would be breaking. Adobe is forced into this by the copyright law that is very outdated. Until the courts get to it, or Congress fixes it, this is the ONLY way that they can train their AI system. It doesn't make it right, and it's creepy as can be.
As a corporate consultant with 30+ years of contract law experience I can tell you that "breach of contract" is a punishable act and is most definitely breaking the law. Whether one party will drag the other to court depends on many factors such as costs, severity and many others. But nonetheless breaking the law. Whether or not it's Adobe's only way to train their AI does not matter. The content is NOT theirs to use.
@@MHTutorials3D Disagree. The law makes a sharp distinction between "breaking the law," which is always codified by statute in the United States (due process being a constitutional thing and all), and "breaching a contract," which is not (Louisiana may be an exception -- not sure on that one). The first can be criminal, the second cannot. So a civil judgment ordering damages is not issued because the defendant has committed "a punishable act." It is ordered merely to put the plaintiff in the same position she would have been in had the contract been honored.
@@hatpeach1 Let's agree to disagree. Breach of contract may not ( in all cases ) be an act punishable by Criminal law, but it sure is a breach of commercial / trade law. ( in the US called private law ) and can be a punishable act in terms of fines etc. But either way, I get your point.
OMG Adobe finaly show their true face.
Exodus ensues!!!
It looks like you’ve jumped on the bandwagon like many others without checking facts. Most people will never have read the terms of service before now. A quick check at the history will show that, apart from a minor change in the wording, Adobe have had this clauses in there for a long time.
Removing "Cloud Services" isn't exactly a small change and suddenly realising that you had been unknowingly vreakin g NDA's and comitting purgery/fraud (granting a license to material you are not the copyright owner of) still is a problem.
Quit Adobe when they pushed the monthly model! MS recall same issue as Adobe, take a snapshot of screen every 5 seconds? Sh*t storm on Win-dose!
I installed a dual boot of of Mint Linux ... the only thing I can;t get running on Linux right now (other than a large part of my game collection) is Affinity (Photo, Illustrator and Publisher). My game collection in steam drops from 401 game to 138 but that straight from Steam without trying a few other things so I could probably get that closer to 250 games.
The other issue is my collection of VST plugins for my Foley work. That's going to hurt as I use those a lot.
I'm so close to dropping windows.
Davinci Resolve works perfectly fine on Linux (they have a linux version) and so does Reaper.
@@EricLefebvrePhotography Same here, almost exactly. I know a bunch of people are asking/begging Affinity to offer a Linux version. That's the last bit I need to leave Microsoft where I left Adobe ... in the rear view mirror.
@@LV4EVR Microsoft's blunder with Recall (that an telling me my Ryzen 7 and RTX 3070 system can't run Windows 11 so buy a new PC) pushed me over the edge.
If Affinity had Linux versions I'd have already wiped my machine (windows 10) and moved on.
But for now, just testing the waters with a Dual boot and I have 2 older rigs that I'll be converting to Mint no matter what this week end (these machines are WAY too old for Windows 11 and that's fair. One is an i5 with GTX 970 and the other is like 15 years old and I can't remember what I put in there in terms of CPU adn GPU. It's in the living room and almost never used now my daughter has a laptop so that's going to be the first one to be fully converted).
Krita seems to be at least if not better than gimp. According to the 16yo artist in my household at least.
Krita is great for DRAWING. It's GREAT for that and that's what I use for Drawing instead of Affinity Photo but it's not as good as Photoshop or Affinity Photo for EDITING. You CAN edit raster images in it, it's just not really what it was designed for.
I LOVE using Krita with my HUION Kamvas 13 but when editing photos or thumbnails ... I switch to Affinity Photo.
I also suspect it's to utilize it for AI generation.
Exactly
All the people quitting have been happy to share their images with google and apple for years, let them know everything you buy, let them read all your documents and know where you are 24 hours a day.
I have been using Adobe since 2015 i guess is time to CANCEL!
We're on the same page....