Best Husky FE501 Long Term Review!

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  • @jamesfairmind2247
    @jamesfairmind2247 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Brilliant video and review! To be able to ride that fast and smoothly and run a unbroken commentary at the same time is amazing. Also superb sound management, nothing worse than trying to listen to a commentary with wind noise drowning it out but you have it perfectly controlled. Congratulations on the production.really great job.

  • @whiskeythrottleracing
    @whiskeythrottleracing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I'm due to check valves again. They were good at 50 hrs. Runs perfect at all elevations and temps. Very solid ride so far. 10% street, 75% forest service roads, 15% single track. Elevation 4500-8500 ft

    • @Big1_
      @Big1_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You dont have to check them if they dont make noise....

    • @davidsimmons3844
      @davidsimmons3844 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@Big1_wrong! The valve seats wear and cause them to tighten up! Then burn the exhaust valves! No noise!

  • @discoveror9576
    @discoveror9576 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm AMAZED (and in awe) that you can think & talk, riding at that pace! Thanks - for the candid reporting ... and expert (non-bologna) guidance.

  • @TaterGrabbinBass
    @TaterGrabbinBass ปีที่แล้ว +2

    At 43 I’m new to dual sport bikes and riding, I’ve given up riding on the street but still love bikes so I got a Screamin deal on a 21’ Husqvarna ef350s with 250mi and thousands on mods from the previous owner who was 67. I was looking at getting a Honda 300L but I got the Husky for $7500 which is an absolute STEAL! I can’t wait for the temps in Arizona to go down a bit and start riding a lot, I’m excited to get out there and I really want to some 3-4 day adventure camping trips with the fellas.
    I just goes your channel and subbed, great stuff you got! 🤘🏼😎🤘🏼

  • @jerrywald6481
    @jerrywald6481 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great vid. I have a 2019 FE 501. Had it lowered and changed the sprockets to get the gearing down a bit in the bush. Got the Seatconcepts seat too that stock one is BRUTAL. I guess I will have to keep up on checking for loose bolts but agree with the vibration. Numbed my hands a few times. I am 65 and bought racks/bags/rotopax and a new light setup and need to install that and then I am good for the forestry roads and exploring. Looking forward to this spring. Thanks again, think I got the right bike now and I have my GOLDWING for the long hauls 😁

  • @JJthejetplane-in7ii
    @JJthejetplane-in7ii ปีที่แล้ว +9

    You’ve convinced me to go and buy one. Thankyou for the in depth review this information was essential for my decision and information I couldn’t find elsewhere. Hope your still having a good experience with it a year later after posting!

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Loving it more everyday!

    • @JJthejetplane-in7ii
      @JJthejetplane-in7ii ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DualsportDisport I ended up buying one, so far love it! Got the same headlight you have as well as did the tacomoto tidy tail. Also working on getting some dirt tires.

  • @BennyTygohome
    @BennyTygohome 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks for the valuable info. Especially about the crank case vent/breather tube location and about the vibrations and need for red loctite. I really would love to get a Husqvarna 501 or the ktm 500 exc-f. I'm 52 and not to old to enjoy riding trails. Subscribed

  • @4570levergun
    @4570levergun 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just bough a 2022. Im coming from a Wr450f so Im super stocked. I will check out your channel.

  • @phreenom
    @phreenom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Getting my new 2023 FE 501s in a couple weeks. Stoked. Had a WR250R and really enjoyed it. But the weight... I ride alone mostly, and a couple times lifting that thing up a switch back was rough (or dragging it under a fallen tree). Plus, better suspension, more power, hydraulic clutch. Sounds like a recipe for lots of fun. Can't wait to get going. I'll be doing a lot less modding than you, but I will definitely keep an eye out for loose bolts.
    Also heard about the Norden 901 recently, and I think that might be my adventure bike for longer rides.

    • @TJY2K
      @TJY2K 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you order yours? I can't seem to find any new ones locally

    • @phreenom
      @phreenom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TJY2K I put myself on a list at a local dealer, and after a few months got a call that they had some coming in. I actually ended up buying a slightly used one that popped up on Craigslist. The dealer wanted to add a bunch of $$ to the msrp, and I refuse to pay ADM for no reason. The one I found had only 550 miles, and a couple thousand $ in choice mods. Ended up saving probably $3-4,000 total. But I got lucky finding that used one...

  • @squid148
    @squid148 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video! I owned a 2018 501 and currently have a 23 KTM 500. So far I really can’t tell much difference. The new bike with the O2 sensor seems to run a lot better than the 18 did stock, however it still needs more fuel to run correctly. So both need help with a tuner of some sort. A longer stroke engine will have a higher piston speed, hence the lower red line and tractor 🚜 power.

  • @scottyd2262
    @scottyd2262 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The way that a 501 can loft the front wheel up with ease at speed is why I traded in my 21 FE350 for a 22 FE501..
    For tight as single track the 350 is a great bike, but be prepared to abuse that clutch. In Australia we get the non pollution models that can be registered thank God..

    • @thomasrobinet7545
      @thomasrobinet7545 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In a perfect world, a 501 plus a 350 is the perfection :)

    • @maxflight777
      @maxflight777 ปีที่แล้ว

      In Europe road legal bikes come with a restrictor in the inlet and exhaust… but most manufacturers supply the parts to swap them out! (And instructions!)
      I guess in the future things will change. Soon bikes and riding will be illegal.

  • @corydehning5671
    @corydehning5671 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have the 450rl and so far I am very happy with it 700 miles into this bike and no real HUGE complaints plenty of little annoyances. The slow technical single track can be annoying be cause you have to stay on the throttle a bit more than normal and just modulate with the clutch and not having hydro clutch its a bit stiff but not unusable. stock seat sucks as do almost every dual sport. ergonomics are a little different had to adjust or in some case just get used to the different positions of things like the brake and shift pedals. vibrates ALOT less than the 501 and is definitely more comfortable running 65mph than most dedicated dual sports are. I may go the 501 route one of these days but where I am at in a small island town this RL seems to be the best option for me.

  • @williamrobarge3111
    @williamrobarge3111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One of the best onboard reviews I e seen. Nicely done

  • @wukhangaming
    @wukhangaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can we just take a moment and appreciate how you killed this track.

  • @gingerhill4523
    @gingerhill4523 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So Glad that I watched this. I just updated from a 2014 500 EXC to a 2021 FE 501s (1st trip next week) and I was going to make the same mistake that you did with the crankcase vent. Lil jab here, Vibration? Ever ride a Smoker! I race a YZ 250 and THAT Vibrates like a... Anyway Great Video. Also Note, I'm 63 years Young and Race 60+ on my YZ and My FE 350. Just might do some Suspension Mods and Line up on it for some S&G's. YES, I'll keep this one 4EVER... 👍👍

  • @rubuk2996
    @rubuk2996 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Been looking for something to replace my wr250r as that thing is a heavy machine and street 250 power. Watching this has given me the confidence in the Husky as my next bike in the coming months.

    • @bh2861
      @bh2861 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wr250 is weak as piss

    • @rubuk2996
      @rubuk2996 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@bh2861 Well thank you for that conclusion that I clearly stated in my comment. I don't know how anyone else could have come to that conclusion. Your intellect is off the charts.

    • @TJY2K
      @TJY2K 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rubuk2996 😂😂🤣🤣🤣

    • @TJY2K
      @TJY2K 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm on the same boat. I have the WR and I'm looking at the 501 and 701

    • @bluebaaron748
      @bluebaaron748 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      WRR here too and looking at 501.

  • @torqdoff
    @torqdoff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video and awesome riding. Liked and subbed. I'm looking at getting back into riding at the young age of 54. Torn between the Husky and the Beta. Keep up the great work. Cheers

    • @maxflight777
      @maxflight777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I bought a CRF450RX at 60 !

  • @LeighTheHuman
    @LeighTheHuman 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Comprehensively the best review of the bike I've seen. I have a TE300 and a 701 Enduro and thinking about what's next. My plan to merge the two into a 501 has just been cemented. Great riding, and beautiful trails. 😁

  • @oldtownscouts3712
    @oldtownscouts3712 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just bought a 2023 501s this weekend with an FMF exhaust on it, only 500 miles. It is just so incredible so far. Can't believe it can go off a 100 ft jump like you did in this vid, that just blows my mind that it can also take you to the grocery store lol

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Enjoy it!

    • @oldtownscouts3712
      @oldtownscouts3712 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DualsportDisport oh I have been! Had my first couple of spills offroad lol but building more confidence in the power by the day

  • @joewatkins1667
    @joewatkins1667 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    wicked review, talking about it whilst showing it's capability on some easyish trails was great

  • @boss302nard
    @boss302nard 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It sounds like a fantastic option. I just don’t want to mess with the maintenance. The 690/701 is probably what I’ll go with ultimately. Great video though!

  • @TJR1987
    @TJR1987 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. Ive been on the 18 fe450 for a few years 7000k miles no problems. Just found a 17 501, 1200 miles. Changing to 501. Im a huge fan of the 17-19. Im sure the newer ones are sweet also. End cap, pull reeds, ecm = Rocket Ship

  • @mototrailz
    @mototrailz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    First off excellent riding in the wood 👊 I am rocking a 2019 KTM 500 exc SD and so far it has been amazing 27,000 miles and 680 hours with valves still in specs. However i am noticing that i am burning oil now a bit. Could rebuild but probably will buy next gen 2023 exc in August 2022. I could not agree more. It is my 3rd one and it is by far my favorite bike for trails, moto, hooligan wheelies...etc. But it has to be noted that this bike is for dirt rider mainly because connecting roads to the trails suck mainly because of vibration. So yeah if you are a 50/50 guy then go 690 but if you are only happy in the dirt like me and clearly you then yes it is the bike by far. BTW I change air filter as soon as i can (every ride or 2 rides) and oil every 20 hours max.
    Love the channel SUBSCRIBED

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey thanks for watching and also sharing your experience with your bike! Great to hear from somebody that's got some more miles on their machine. Excellent conversation

    • @mototrailz
      @mototrailz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DualsportDisport Follow up on my comment. Bike blew up last week so i guess when you see you are burning oil its time to rebuild. Its in the process and your video will help for sure. She will be cak (bought a 500 2022)

  • @TJY2K
    @TJY2K 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The honk as you jump at 16:00 😂😂🤣
    Glad I subscribed

  • @frankbraswell-l8i
    @frankbraswell-l8i ปีที่แล้ว

    great video just purchased a 2023 fe501s and plan on doing some mods i swapped out the stock muffler end cap with a fastway with screen spark arrester made it breath much better and sounds great not loud but better tone.

  • @malcolmwilson6855
    @malcolmwilson6855 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good information on the bike ,
    I've been riding dirt bikes since 1970 , dad bought me a nice brand new Honda trail 50cc (LOL) , Then a Honda 1972 SL-70CC , 1973 a Honda XR-75 (a little more power) , then a HONDA TL-125cc TRIAL BIKE , the first 3 gears were walking speed , real wide distance between handle grips for balance naturally , ok now its 1983 & I'm 18 years old & my riding friend buys a Suzuki PE 175 , 2 Stroke enduro & to me it was a lightning bolt but that opinion didn't last long , I told my dad I NEEDED POWER & LOTS OF IT !! I tried to get him to buy me my first 2 stroke made by CAN-AM , I wanted the new 560 SONIC 2 STROKE but he knew I would have probably been in a full body cast the first day but at least he took me to the CAM-AM dealership but they didn't have the 560 yet damn it !!! So we went back home and the next week I came home from school & there sit me a brand new 1981 (that never sold , never left the Suzuki dealership, it was a MONSTER ENDURO PE-400 2 STROKE !!!! IVE STILL GOT THE BIKE NOW , STILL RUNS , JUST NEED TO CLEAN THE CARB. & CHANGE PLUG..
    ANYWAY my question to you is > I went to the Husqvarna dealership here & there's a FE 501 with only 21 hours riding time on it , it's on consignment for $5000 & the dealership said it's been setting up without being cranked since 2014 because the man died , unrelated to bike , they said it was gummed up but they took it apart & cleaned everything & it's good to they said , I haven't ridden it yet , I offered them $3000 & got laughed at , I then said ""ok $4000"" , he got on the phone & acted like he left a message with the owners parents but after 4 days he said they still haven't returned his call about my offer , I starting to doubt that he left a message because I think they would call back by now.. He said the bluebook value is $6800 , do you think he's telling me the true bluebook on it?? And do you think I should buy it for $5000 ?? I think they are trying to get more money since it's on consignment , it's a used dealership only _ this is the best looking one in there & one of the newer models he has on the showroom floor (lol) what are you thoughts ?? Please let me know if I should off the full $5000 for this FE 501 2014 MODWL with 21 hours on it .

  • @dirtbikefun
    @dirtbikefun 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good morning from the UK. Your video auto-played and happy it did. Great video, great tracks, and really good audio and information 🙂
    Whereabouts is this? I ask as me and a mate are looking to move to the states for a more outside life biking, snowboarding and hunting 👌
    Have subscribed and will check out other vids.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching! Greetings from the USA. This was filmed in the Black Hills region of our great state South Dakota. This is all national forest land, but there are towns throughout the region. Nice and warm in the summer, a little cold in the winter. The states are United and a wonderful place to live free

  • @roxbylife6917
    @roxbylife6917 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My dads got one of those FE 501s we have had a little trouble with the clutch and have just ordered a replacement we also own a Husqvarna 350 that he wants to give to me as I am currently riding Husqvarna's TC 85 with a lift kit and racing mods all have been great bikes and have served us well and are all round quite a low maintenance bikes

  • @RodrigoGarciactg
    @RodrigoGarciactg ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude... Great video! Quality was amazing. Not even here for the bike review but that was also good!

  • @Bigstrapper76
    @Bigstrapper76 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have 18 501 with 3000 miles and 113 hours. Only issue I had was the clutch slave cylinder failed at 1500 miles and the stock license plate holder broke off from vibration. I politely a recluse slave cylinder on and swapped out the license plate and taillight assembly to the off-road version. I also changed out the bulky rear turn signals to a flush mount design. I uncorked it and put an exhaust and tuner on it before I road it. The bike is awesome and is very capable at whatever I throw at it.

  • @nathansnyder5908
    @nathansnyder5908 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! Buying one when I get back from deployment in February. Thanks for the insight and solidifying my decision.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for your service!! You will love the bike

  • @brandonbmx9824
    @brandonbmx9824 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pulled the trigger on a 2022 FE501s I liked that you mentioned the hours you have put on and also the engine rebuild video !!coming off a mt09 when it comes to maintenance this is different for me and I was nervous about being able use the bike commuting around town but after what you said about the guy going around the world not so much anymore lol 😂

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're going to love it dude! Excellent choice on the bike and yeah it'll literally last forever. Thanks for watching dude

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Feel free to check out my dual sport playlist on the channel I have a ton of FE 501 content that'll help you get yours set up nicely! Thanks for subscribing!

  • @GoFastDontCrash
    @GoFastDontCrash 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not sure I need anyone incentive to buy. At this point I’m just having fun watching and learning… Will pick one up this week. Fun bike.

  • @bryanheredia5676
    @bryanheredia5676 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video might have just cost me 15k! Looked at the husky 501 yesterday. Awesome video thanks for all the input. I just subscribed will be checking out more videos especially if I get one. Thanks man

  • @danburby7936
    @danburby7936 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i had a 19988 huusky 510 wc 4 stroke,i rode itand rode it and rode it and never had to do anything serious to it just general maitainance..i must have put over 1000 hours on it .the oonly problem was knocking off the water pump a couple of times..othet than that it was buulletproof..always ran great even at 11000 ft elev..great bikeloved it..im 85 now and ride a husky 150 2t..its lots of fun but nothing like the 510

  • @samcooper4984
    @samcooper4984 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm thinking of upgrading from my 350 to a 500. This really helped with my decision. Cheers mate

    • @nickcounseller3952
      @nickcounseller3952 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did you do it? I can decide between the 2. Where do you normally ride?

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @nickcounseller3952 don’t waste your time with the 350

  • @mikelittle558
    @mikelittle558 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    First time on your channel - great video, entertaining chat and informative too. Helped make my mind up about buying a 501..thanks from UK **Subscribed** 👍

  • @RedC63AMG
    @RedC63AMG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really enjoyed watching the video(subbed) and appreciate the insight. I apologize for the lengthy comments but I could use some first hand perspective. I bought a Tiger 900 RP last year as my riding friends all moved into the "adventure" scene. With very little off road experience I immediately knew this wasn't the bike for where I want to ride. I bought a 300 Rally a few months ago and I've been out in the forests (Central Florida) once or twice a week since. This bike at 330 pounds was much better than the Triumph on trails and frankly it's just about as good on the pavement in between. The Tiger is now about to make an exit and I'm going to replace it with something much further on the dirt end of the spectrum and keep the Rally for light "adventure" riding. My choice is between CRF 450 RL or the 501. I really don't want to have to replace bars, exhaust ECU and all that which the Honda literally requires. The 501 seems like a better fit and at my level it could remain completely stock aside from calling seat concepts. Thoughts ??

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for watching! So my buddy has the 2019 450L and I have the 2019 Fe501. The 450L is a great bike. However, it's chocked down so much, as you mentioned the exhaust is like 13 lbs. His was having a real serious flame out issue to the point where it would stall multiple times in only a few tight turns. This ended up getting better with more miles on the bike, but it's still not gone. The 501 is much more ready out of the box In my opinion. The air filter is much easier to service on the Husky. I absolutely love mine minus the vibrations, the Honda is smoother. The Honda feels light, but my husky feels lighter. Both are excellent machines but I'm just not much of a fan as I used to be of the Japanese bikes. They are great, but man the Husky was engineered with maintenance ease in mind. Hopefully this helps! This will be the last bike you'll need

    • @brookcampbell2940
      @brookcampbell2940 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Triumph is building a dual sport/dirt bike with Ricky C. Will eventually have a race team. I only say this as you are a Triumph owner. I’m looking at FE501s as well, but have a slush fund I’m building for a future Triumph Dual Sport. They started it all anyway, back when Steve McQueen aka Harvey Mushman was riding and racing

  • @BMXaster
    @BMXaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was such a nice review, really clear and to the point, good voice quality, chill riding. Nice!
    I'm planning to get my first ever 4 stroke next spring, and it's gonna be either the 501 or the 500, not sure yet and I haven't yet tried both of them back to back.
    The one thing for me which makes it so difficult to decide is the linkage. I know how it feels and lots of people say it's a bit nicer and more sensitive than the pds, but it concerns me a bit exactly because of it being so exposed to logs etc. Also more moving parts = more possible points of failure and I'm planning to do a multi month trip through Europe and the Stans at one point with it.
    Well I'll see, can't go wrong with either one I guess :)

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So glad you enjoyed it! Did you make linkage guards to help protect the linkage on the 501, but the 500 definitely has better ground clearance. Unless you’re doing Sirius off routing I’m sure the 50 one would be fine. I have gone over some pretty gnarly stuff with it and had no issues. Thanks for watching

  • @chadsprouse8163
    @chadsprouse8163 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! I used to have an ‘18 FE501 and I miss it so bad. I’ve got a ‘17 FE350 which is awesome, but just doesn’t have the power of the 501.

  • @eduardodedios8213
    @eduardodedios8213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool video man, stay safe!
    🏍💨💨

  • @theVarazi
    @theVarazi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great stuff man.
    I have a 501s coming in a few weeks.
    Subbed.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for subscribing! What year are you getting? You going to do some moto riding with it?

  • @andrewpinheiro7202
    @andrewpinheiro7202 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m going to get one of these . I currently have 2019 ktm 450 sxf fe and love it but man these are becoming more appealing to me every day. I’ll keep the 450 but probably ride this more.

  • @stevenburton7922
    @stevenburton7922 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow...that was a really good review...well done. You are a fantastic rider! I'll be getting back into riding after 18 years out. I'm a former A rider. I've been looking at all of the 2 stroke fuel injected bikes as well as the better 4 strokes like yours. I tend to ride a gear high and flow thru turns and obstacles. Have been leaning toward the te 250/300 but your video and another video with the fe 450 have got me thinking that a big bore stroker is a pretty darn good fit. What ever I get I plan on keeping for a long time. I'm 6 feet 205 muscley pounds. I'm 58 and still do the gym and much to.my suprise, I typically out do the younger guys. I will do the full enduro mix when riding and the 501 does great on the fire roads and you.made it look like a gem on that small single track section. Is the bike that clickable on single track or does it wear you down. With the weight so close to the two strokes it seems like it's not an issue...how would you rate its flick ability? I've hread some suggest that the 501 is hard to stop on sever and prolonged down hills...would you say that's true? Thanks, Steve from Ohio.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for watching Steve from Ohio! That's actually where I'm from! Yeah this bike will be the perfect bike for you. As a reminder, I am not paid or endorsed by husky in any way. It's just strictly my opinion on the bike, but yes on the single track it is very nimble and flickable. No problem going through the tightest of stuff. It literally feels like my Motocross bike did. You can't go wrong with this one. Thanks for watching again!

    • @stevenburton7922
      @stevenburton7922 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DualsportDisport Thanks for your reply..definitely helpful! I'm in northeast Ohio...Lordstown

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stevenburton7922 Nice! I'm about 60 miles north of you up route 11

    • @stevenburton7922
      @stevenburton7922 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DualsportDisport That's cool. I've been all over up there. Lake, Geuaga, Ashtabula,Cayahoga. I'm guessing that you have ridden Wellsville/Yellow Creek. In the late 70's I would train at Wellsville and then my Uncle Leroy Burton got me racing National Enduros and the National Enduros seemed easy compared to Wellsville.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stevenburton7922 always cool to meet somewhat local riders on a huge platform like TH-cam. I've actually never been to Wellsville, usually when I ride I go out of state if I go on a trip. I have a van so I do the van life thing. Enduro is a lot of fun, but once you get your 501 it'll be your perfect do it all bike

  • @markfaylor
    @markfaylor 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome review thank you very much. I’m currently in the market for a 500 XWF from KTM, which is basically the California off-road version of the bike.

  • @williamcrisp6036
    @williamcrisp6036 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good vid DD, a bit of straight up honest appraisal goes a long away. I' m picking my 2022 FE 501 during the week, cant wait... just QUIETLY !!!

  • @RoscoRide
    @RoscoRide 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love my 2022 husky FE501S. Before delivery I had heavier springs full DOT knobby, Enduro pegs, Enduro engineer skid plate, Enduro engineer tall seat , in Enduro engineer hand guards added

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's awesome! How many miles do you have on it so far? That bike will last you 20 years

    • @RoscoRide
      @RoscoRide 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DualsportDisport I have around 330 miles on it right now the bike just gets better and better as the Suspension is more compliant actually the sag was set perfect! I use it mostly for the back roads here in southern Vermont and also some trail riding. I use to race Enduro’s in the New England trail rider association and will occasionally race in the A masters class

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RoscoRide yeah the more and more you ride that bike the more you will love it! I'm over here at around 3,000 mi now and by far the best bike I've ever owned! I've always wanted to trail ride Vermont, need to get up to those New England states soon. I'm over here in Northeast Ohio by lake Erie, is there a good trails there?

    • @RoscoRide
      @RoscoRide 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DualsportDisport Yes there’s some good riding In this area but you have to watch out because there’s so many small parcels of land that people own not like big parcels out west but as a lifelong resident I’ve never had any hassles and I’ve been riding for 41 years.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RoscoRide definitely need to make it out that way!

  • @snousnou321
    @snousnou321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    got my 500 exc-f 2021 last month love it !

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They are incredible machines! What type of riding are you doing with it? I am thoroughly convinced the 500EXC, the Fe501, possibly the beta are literally the best dirt bikes you can buy right now.

  • @rusty456
    @rusty456 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video! exactly what I needed to see. I guess I am getting a 501 now :)

  • @IgnacioLaura-t4i
    @IgnacioLaura-t4i ปีที่แล้ว

    great video! am considering this bike and after watching think I am decided! good rides!

  • @MrBackflip500
    @MrBackflip500 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Me too! You’ve convinced me to go and buy one. Thanks man! I have subribed

  • @ZPDSurvival
    @ZPDSurvival 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome ride. Looking into a purchase of a 2024 model. Great video.

  • @MrPARAS04
    @MrPARAS04 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I straight up love your videos. I just started watching them yesterday and I’m subscribed and ready for more content. I’ve also been looking at Husqvarna 501s. I currently have a DRZ 400 SM and from Texas just looking to get into more trail riding and things like that.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad you like The channel man! The 501 I am really loving as it is every bike in one

    • @MrPARAS04
      @MrPARAS04 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DualsportDisport Do you mind me asking what kind of tires do you use? I currently have some starcross fives the soft ones. Not sure if you ride on pure dirt bike tires or dual sport tires or what

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hey yeah so I've been using Kenda Trackmasters solely for everything for a while now. Mainly because it's the cheapest DOT legal tire that can still do okay on a track

    • @MrPARAS04
      @MrPARAS04 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DualsportDisport thanks for all the info. Your bike is beautiful. Really wish I would’ve bought a husky in the first place but he can’t go wrong with a DRZ got a stick with the whole beast LOL Was thinking about buying a electron carburetor for it. Since I’m not going to be selling it anytime soon I figured I might as well just stick with it.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrPARAS04 Glad to help out man! I have never ridden a DRZ but they I feel like are the original dual sport haha. Technology has really come along way. Thanks for watching

  • @tybaudewyns2368
    @tybaudewyns2368 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i have the 2015 FE501 and the thing rips, i got it second hand for pretty cheap with only 10 hours and just leaves every other bike for dead, couldn't be more happy with it. If your buying one just get ready to hold on hahaha.

  • @bradl45
    @bradl45 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've had a few 500s, I put on 15k miles, then buy a newer version. Had a Honda 2019 crf450x(modern DRZ400 replacement(from Honda) with good suspension), GREAT bike, but went back to aKTM. Currently rocking a street legal 19 350xc-f, but have been looking for a couple 501s(currently rare). Tomorrow morning I'm checking where my crank case vent line is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've had Dick's suspension tune 4CS suspension before, loved it. I'm going 501 vs 500 for the suspension.
    Question on your vibe dampened foot pegs, scale 1 to 100(best rating), what is you # on cost vs performance? I'd like less tingling feet, lol.
    Sweet trails and roads while you were sharing your bikes journey, are those close to home? If yes, you set yourself up great, congrats.
    Glad I watched this video, thanks for sharing.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching also and now I actually live in Ohio by lake Erie but I'm always traveling and riding

  • @JohannesDalenMC
    @JohannesDalenMC ปีที่แล้ว

    How was the sound of this recorded? Thanks
    Oh, and great video, I have a 350 and I love it.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. I had a GoPro Hero eight with the media mod to an auxiliary microphone that was clamped on the inside of my helmet off to the side so I didn’t breathe straight on it.

  • @dogabebek
    @dogabebek 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It was really helpful for me why i wanna FE501S. I think i love tractors like my KLR and super TNR 😁

  • @davidh1314
    @davidh1314 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Use thread locker and mark all your bolts with a paint pen.... That way you don't have to worry as much about loose bolts and you don't have to keep torquing them over and over again.

  • @ender_wiggum
    @ender_wiggum 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great review and riding. I bought a 2020 500 EXC for a light ADV bike, and eventually got rid of it because of vibration (still have a 250 XCW)... you noticed it too.
    I have a theory, and since you are a good rider and do your own mechanic-ing, I figured you might have some insight. The FE450/450EXC is a bike that usually exists in Europe, and they sell it in the USA every few years. The 450 XCF-W is the closest thing in the USA at the moment. It is, as far as I know, the exact same engine as the 500 save the shorter stroke. If you look in the parts breakdown, all the counter-balancer bits are the same on both bikes...
    I wonder if the FE450 vibrates like the FE501? I suspect that the engine is balanced for the 450 setup, not the 501 (and same for the KTM). I had an '08 450 EXC-R, and I don't remember it shaking like my 2020 500. Thoughts?
    My point being... I might get a 450 EXC / FE 450 the next time they sell the 50-state-legal version again.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I believe you are 100% correct. If I remember right there isn’t a separate part number for the balancer which means it probably is balanced as a 450 not a 501 crank with the 8mm longer stroke. Thanks for watching. 450 probably has less vibration

  • @daniellavoie9662
    @daniellavoie9662 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video! Have you heard that the vibration issue in the 501 also occurs in the 350 version of this bike? Thanks!

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I do not believe the 350 vibrates as much although I've never ridden one.. The 501 vibrates so much because it's a big bore and a big stroke with lower revs. The 350 being the smaller engine was higher revs I bet you is much smoother. Thanks for watching bro

  • @jamesg5059
    @jamesg5059 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a 2017 501 and I agree on the vibration. Horrible. The thing would walk itself backwards across the garage idling on the sidestand. My tx300 2 stroke is much smoother! At about 30hrs I had enough and sent it to Thumper Racing for a rebalance and to swap out that wonky 5th gear for the SXF one.
    They worked some magic and it is much improved now. I don’t notice the vibes at all on the trail, just on road sections, and it has a narrow rpm range - correlates to about 55mph with my gearing, that is vibration free. Wasn’t cheap but I’m keeping this bike for a long time so totally worth it.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great to hear you got rid of the vibration! What did they balance, the crank?

    • @jamesg5059
      @jamesg5059 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They ended up adding weight to the counterbalancer

  • @francoooo5192
    @francoooo5192 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a dual sport, mainly for street riding, is not better the fe 450? Given that it has less compression ratio than the 501?
    Amazing video bro

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I cannot see definitively one way or the other as I have never seen a street legal FE 450 in my region of the USA. but I know the FE 501 and FE 450 motors are exactly the same except for an 8 mm longer crank and the shorter piston skirt

    • @francoooo5192
      @francoooo5192 ปีที่แล้ว

      Right, thank you for answering

  • @zeblion8293
    @zeblion8293 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brother beautiful video perfect well done 👏 keep them coming

  • @adamp7448
    @adamp7448 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved this vid and your riding style.
    I’m from Australia
    Wondering what tyres/tubes you run?
    Any protection parts you deem important to install

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching! I was running stock tubes here At 12 to 13 psi with the Kenda Trackmaster tires

    • @adamp7448
      @adamp7448 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Any guards or protection you recommend?
      Where did you get the sticker sheets from

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m running the Tusk D flex and am happy with them. As far as my number graphics I can’t remember. The shrouds are off the 17’ model. I like the blue better. Thanks for watching

    • @adamp7448
      @adamp7448 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Finally got a fe501 2022. Full power It is a wild machine. It glides over everything smoothly

    • @adamp7448
      @adamp7448 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Love this. Vid. Watched it again.
      Your steps pegs block. How did you make that and install the correct position on the side guards. I have the 22 model. Now 1100klms

  • @williamrobarge3111
    @williamrobarge3111 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well done review

  • @magnusjsvensson
    @magnusjsvensson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have a 501 19 , now swapped for a 500 exc 22 ,havent got i yet! Really nice machines!
    M

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What made you decide to go to a 500EXC so soon? How many miles did you have on the 19 and did you like it?

    • @magnusjsvensson
      @magnusjsvensson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DualsportDisport bored ,adhd thing ,impulsive 😛,19 only 27 hours! I love it! i had a 18 before also,honda crf450 x 15 before,husky and ktm so light and fun to ride!

  • @mechcavandy986
    @mechcavandy986 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like how you can lug it with that stroker crank. 👍🏻

  • @Matthew-wn8oq
    @Matthew-wn8oq 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Couldnt imagine not having a kicker on my 450 exc , never use it but piece of mind.

  • @pnwgreg300
    @pnwgreg300 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    killer info and riding man!

  • @CurtisGraham-f9m
    @CurtisGraham-f9m ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video-Thank you. I have one (2021) pretty stock except desert tank, integrated turn signals from Sicass, steering dampner and some cool looking rotor protection. Love it for most part but hate the stock “lawnmower” sound. Guess I need to dig in my wallet for slip on and a mapper. Thanks again!

  • @barrymurphy3554
    @barrymurphy3554 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great valuation on the 501 great great bike.
    Did you look at the 701 I thought the back rack was a bit stronger.
    There both great bikes
    Thanks for your honesty review
    I see so many bikes over loaded they must be pigs to ride ok thanks Cheers

  • @chriscooper8112
    @chriscooper8112 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I ride a 2011 310te. Love it. It light and nimble and dual sport. But it's slow on top end. What's the fe501 like at 50 or 60mph

  • @terratrodder
    @terratrodder ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice bike, and looks like a great place to ride! Vibration is my nemesis on my CRF450L. I've done a few things to mitigate it but when doing a longer ride at higher RPM it's still agonizing necessitating a stop to shake things out again.
    Anyway I like the FE501 for everything you mentioned, maybe if I find one cheap I'll consider getting one.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, they are both excellent bikes! But I can assure you that the vibration on the Huskies worse than the Honda

  • @Welsh-Trials-Enduro
    @Welsh-Trials-Enduro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've just bought a 2019 501, with 30 hours on it, for supermoto riding and trail riding, so excited, coming today! Is there much of a difference between the 2017-19 models and the 20-22 models?

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Congrats! There isn't much.. the subframe on the newer bikes is a 2 piece compared to the 3 piece on the 17-19. the frame is slightly different..the case on the 2020 and up has no Kickstarter option. 2020 and up has an oxygen sensor, few other small things.. thanks for watching!

    • @Welsh-Trials-Enduro
      @Welsh-Trials-Enduro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DualsportDisport Great thank you and appreciate the content. Excited to mod mine out now and get out riding, cheers!

  • @sendit6011
    @sendit6011 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great content!

  • @franckbrunie4759
    @franckbrunie4759 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 2019 501 EU and it is the best I've had after a series of KTM EXCs. It does everything and is good STOCK. Why looking for trouble? Some protections, some few things to get your ergonomics right, and VOILÀ.

  • @jasonmendonco5529
    @jasonmendonco5529 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video where are you from because those trails are super nice

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is in South Dakota but I live on the other side of the US. Thanks for watching

  • @____T326
    @____T326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What tire pressure do you run? Love the 501 videos

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am running 12 to 13 Psi at all times. Thanks for watching! I have a new 501 video coming out in a few days

    • @____T326
      @____T326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for the fast reply. When it’s time for your next valve check, would you do a how to video on it?

  • @ogasi1798
    @ogasi1798 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    brilliant bit of video and chat - thanks

  • @raybacon9319
    @raybacon9319 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a 2018 Fe 501 Husqvarna I live in the Pacific Northwest where we have a lot of sand on the river bars and water I have had my bike through water up to the headlight multiple times sucked water in my intake a little bit I've never had a problem I've used amsoil in my bike it's whole life so every time I go on a Sandy ride everything gets changed but I've had problems with my bike shutting off and took a while to figure it out it's the quick connect in the gas line where the little tiny filter is sometimes it will vibrate loose on its own if it's not snapped in correctly and you look over the bike and everything looks fine but always check that piece

  • @chazman4461
    @chazman4461 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I loved this review!!!!

  • @MartinTeerly
    @MartinTeerly ปีที่แล้ว

    This is my dream bike to be turned into supermoto 👌🏻🔥💪🏻

  • @vanwilson4980
    @vanwilson4980 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the great review and riding video! Really like that 501.. I'm currently riding a KTM690 enduro R with a few mods.. its a fantastic do it all bike but a little on the heavy side for single track ... so been considering switching down to a lighter 501.. But don't know if I want to give up the smoothness, ease of maintenance or incredible street performance ... any thoughts or experience on the 690 to compare both of these bikes?

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching! I wish I could comment on the 690 however I've never ridden one. I do know this, a 690 for me you couldn't take on a motocross track. A 501 you can literally do anything with. I know it's a super light big bore and I'm loving riding with big bore machine after being on 250f and 450 motocross bikes

    • @turdfurgeson5196
      @turdfurgeson5196 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I also have a 2017 690 Enduro R...I’ve taken it on the Barstow to Vegas ride 3 times and it’s just to heavy for hard desert riding.
      Supermoto and one the street the bike is great
      I’m considering getting a KTM 500 XCF or Husky 501

  • @robfoltz3163
    @robfoltz3163 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for all the info, very helpful! I just picked up a 23 501s coming off a 22 fc350 as an upper B rider in the 30+ vet class here in Wisconsin. I'm getting started with uncorking/tuning and I would like to know if you feel the standard fuel tuner plus open exhaust is enough power? Or would it be worth it to go with the higher end ecu like Vortex or Athena Get? I'll be doing fast paced woods riding with a little motocross mixed in.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  ปีที่แล้ว

      I would say you’re absolutely fine with just a basic tuner and a pipe. Unless you’re drag racing, you’ll have no issues. Enjoy the bike! Congrats!

  • @TheMarketSniper1
    @TheMarketSniper1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you share your vlogging kit in helmet especially for Audio etc.. for Enduro & camera, etc. are you running a GoPro chesty or helmet as well

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  ปีที่แล้ว

      I bolted a mount to the chin area of my helmet. GoPro hero 8 with media mod and a microphone clamped just inside

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  ปีที่แล้ว

      Super view

    • @TheMarketSniper1
      @TheMarketSniper1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have the same bike, love it very average rider by comparison though.

  • @johnmignano7872
    @johnmignano7872 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Whats your opinion on 2007 Husqvarna te510, last of the carb version, worth getting or give it a miss, thanks

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sorry I’ve never ridden one.

  • @commanderroddi7742
    @commanderroddi7742 ปีที่แล้ว

    there are a few component differences (why I chose the 501 FE501s over the 500 EXC-F - Like the shocks, yes, but also Maguro breaks, and DID rims, though the stock tires on Husky are... good for 80% road use really... Kept them for the times I spend riding it more on the road, but I have a second set of rims with michelin AC10 (or Kenda trailmaster, depending what I find available) and those are great for what I do with the bike. though I ocassional put full dirt tires, or thow in a set of 17" rims with Anakee 3 tires for supermoto stuff, which is fun!

  • @jamesmcclain3588
    @jamesmcclain3588 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the black hill I did every single track with a crf250l lol

  • @raybacon9319
    @raybacon9319 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the same bike you're riding this is going to be my third season with it I absolutely love the Husqvarna Fe 501 I've had 450s think that they're hot stuff I've smoked every 450 I've ever raced it's such a great bike I'm probably going to finish this year out with it but I think I need a two-stroke in my life of course I'm adding another bike to my Motocross family te 300 Husqvarna will be my next bike

  • @lg8932
    @lg8932 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Considering buying a new 2022 Husqvarna FE 501 S. Just came across a 2014 Husaberg 501 though that has low hours, is very well maintained and has a long list of goodies added on. I've heard that vintage of bike has fewer emissions which is better. However, I'm sure there's been some significant improvements made over the past 8 years as well. So I'm having a bit of a struggle deciding, especially when there's about a $5-6,000 price difference between a new one. Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm sure there are differences between the bikes but honestly if you're not an a-level rider I don't know if you'll notice them. I've never been on a husaberg so I can't tell from that one specifically, but most riders can't tell the difference/ it doesn't affect them as much. It's more so the rider not the bike. Thanks for watching

    • @lg8932
      @lg8932 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sorry for the late reply. I appreciate the info and advice! I ended up buying the Husaberg.

  • @ToddDery
    @ToddDery 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great review!!

  • @aarontagious
    @aarontagious 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sold my 2017 500 excf for a 350 because of the vibration.. 350 has negligible vibration compared to the 500s. It's not as great on open road, but it's much better for woods riding/racing.

    • @DualsportDisport
      @DualsportDisport  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The 350 seems like a great bike! The reason I went with a 501 was the service intervals.. from 250f days I just hated having to rebuild the motor all the time. I really like the longevity of the 501 motors. Hopefully the 350 has a good lifespan. Thanks for watching and providing your input! So is that a 350 KTM or husky?

  • @pipefitterdirtbikerider3013
    @pipefitterdirtbikerider3013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That bike runs smooth

  • @zokhrozzWoomzy
    @zokhrozzWoomzy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    my left ear enjoyed this video

  • @mitchellpulscher1705
    @mitchellpulscher1705 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I recognize those trails I live in sd and am thinking about getting one

  • @eastwood4006
    @eastwood4006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loving my '23 TE300. I ride tight east coast woods hard Enduro though. This bike seems perfect for a performance dual sport!

  • @scottstrailbikeadventures9259
    @scottstrailbikeadventures9259 ปีที่แล้ว

    Iv got 2015 fe501 absolutely love it just do lots of single lane riding over hear in Australia trying to work out what gearing to run currently running 13-52 but thinking of changing to 14-50 any ideas what I should run but what a weapon it is

  • @malcolmwilson6855
    @malcolmwilson6855 ปีที่แล้ว

    Learning a lot from your video ,
    What does ""dual something"" mean that you mentioned??
    I'm almost scared to buy this fe 501 I'm looking at that's a 2014 with only 21 hours riding time on it because of the motor maintenance you talked about , I know nothing about going into a motor & would never try !! And I'm not looking to spend $5k on something & not get much service , Im not hard on bikes like u was back in the day , I'm 58 now & way to old to be hitting the ground , but I use to be the BAT OUTTA HELL on a 400cc 2 stroke , front wheel is still almost new , no ground time on it unless it's parked LOL 🤣 , This bike is on consignment for $5k , is that a good price ?? Somebody help me please please ...

  • @skillet1033
    @skillet1033 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a great place to play splash

  • @Mickofalltrades
    @Mickofalltrades 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you, was looking at getting a wr250R again but that seems dumb when compared to a 501.