Good on Honda for recognizing what KTM (and now Beta, Gas Gas, Sherco, etc) has known for YEARS! There IS a market for street legal dirtbikes and we need more of them!
@@captainamerica9353Yamaha use to make a wr250r idk why they stopped. The wr450f was always being converted to street legal but idk why they never made a wr450r I would’ve bought it instantly
Next time you guys are in Saint George let me tag along with my sub $2000 Year 2000 DRZ400! ;) Seriously, that would be a pretty rad Top Gear style comparison!
Еслиб хоть кто нибудь помог купить мне этот мотоцикл я был бы самым счастливым человеком на этой земле.Я русский зарплаты не хвотает даже на самое необходимое,какой уж мотоцикл.А за вас я рад что хоть кто-то имеет возможность купить hondy crf 450l.Эх😢
Oh come on u drz guys can’t honestly compare these bikes. Just take ur drz to a track and tell me what happens out of the corners over jumps and through ruts ur out powered plus ur suspension is garbage these bikes have suspension that cost twice as much as a drz alone. I’d jump these dual sports from 15ft houses and have no problem. If people just changed their oil frequently the bike would last forever u may wanna check ur valves after a couple thousand km but that’s it. Don’t go 1000km before u change ur oil u must be an idiot if u doo.
Guy on the Honda said “what do you get for $900.00” (more), referring to the more expensive Husky. What I would have said “1/2 gallon more fuel, hydro clutch, 8+ more HP, and 40lbs less weight.” Oh yeah, “hand guards too, and a more forgiving Chromoly frame”. Let’s see them drop 20lbs on the Honda for under $900.00;-). Not hating on the Honda, and it’s good there are more choices in this category of motorcycle, but I just got a bit of a biased feel from the review at times. Overall however, enjoyable and good review. Thanks
Justin Rios, LoL. Of course a bike that weighs that much should last a geologic era. Seriously, the Honda does have its reputation for quality, but I would not count my maintenance eggs before they hatch. Especially on a new model bike. Coming from someone who has experience with post Austrian Husky’s and Honda CRF-X 450’s, the most important factor is proper maintenance. BTW, my TE was just as reliable as my brothers 450x. 👍
Truth, I broke the plate holder on my TE450, so just modified it a little and moved plate to a different part of the plastic that still remained. I get pulled over every so often for plate visibility (or general curiosity), but it's not so bad. The clutch master cylinder on mine leaks. Took it apart and found the same issue as most: anodizing flakes off inside of cylinder. Still haven't replaced it, no need since it doesn't leak bad enough.
who wants to get to the trail just to go back and get some gas. not every one lives next to the trail. These bikes are great if you are close to a trail but no good if you have to go any distance to the trail or if want to go deep in to the woods on some rough fire roads, or old logging trails. Put a much bigger tank on them and then you got a real on of road bike,
So in short the husky is better for serious off-road and race the Honda is a good all arounder. The husky just looks like it could be pushed harder. Good for Honda though maybe the rest will follow.
Sure the oil change intervals are short, but the Honda has a 3 ring piston versus the motocross version which has one. So top end life should be similar to drz or comparable. How many rings does husky have?
Honda = Dual Sport Husky = street legal Enduro Not every rider wants a race bike, and not ever racer wants a dual sport that can cruise comfortably down the pavement. There's an arse for every seat!
@@E2MotoThe CRF450L is a CRF450X with choked down motor for emissions and longer gearing. The L model makes about 37 horsepower to the tire while the X makes around 40 horsepower to the tire. The X model shares little in common with the CRF450R/RX besides the motor architecture. The R/RX model has better flowing heads, cam, exhaust system, and a 5 speed gearbox. The R/RX model makes around 54 horsepower to the tire. Considering the L is designed for 20K mile intervals before you're breaking head gasket/base gasket seals, I would consider it a dual sport. If you look at an example like a KTM XCW vs the EXCF, they share identical motors. If you are to modify the EXCF with a less restrictive exhaust system, it will make just as much power as an XCW. Service intervals for top end maintenance are probably on the order of 4K to 5K miles. I think this speaks to the fact that the KTM (or Husky) are Enduro race bikes with lights on them, and the Honda isn't.
@@nepats3669 i agree with most of what you said until you said the EXC-F's require top ends at 4-5k. That is not accurate. 15k, sure. It could use a refresh. But as long as you're keeping your air filter clean and oiled, you can extend that interval.
I’ve had plenty of 4 bangers and the thing that did piss me off was that they where all race bikes that need high maintenance. All I really want to do is cruise around and hit the bush tracks up. The crf450l will be my choice of off road bike.
@@evantomer1336 It's a sad day. We won't see "normal" prices again in our lifetime. Things will get better in 2024, but by then people and companies will be comfortably numb to the price gouging, so things will continue at the inflated rates. You won't see a new, modern mx or enduro bike for $10k or under. 😞
The on/off throttle of the Honda = fun, who doesn’t want a bike that feels light! The aggressive throttle response is what the “high performance” (450l, fe501, ect) side of enduro should be like. If you want super smooth low power go with the 250l😂
What about maintenance? Are the two bikes the same or does one have to be maintained more often. Plus price on maintenance. That plays a big part. No one wants to buy a bike like this that has to be serviced or have valve checks after a few hundred miles/kms
I love my 450L. It's funny how I have test driven a H2 Hummer, Escalade, 662 HR GT500 Cobra but you can't destroy ride a 10K motorcycle, legal liability, bs, A&S Motorsports in Roseville CA or any Harley dealer will let you ride 200 HP Ducati or 30K Harleys. Never rode the ktm 500 or husky 501 and rode the red one a few hundred feet after signing pw, I will have to love it cause after 10k plus I can't go buy white and orange also(love em ALL).
After a few weeks on the 501 I think people are full of it there’s no vibrations at all unless your up in the rpm’s and literally every single cylinder bike has that it’s normal for the single cylinder… not sure what people complain about. On the road if you ride it right low in the rpm’s it’s smooth as butter with all the power as high because it’s lower gear ratio
Just picked up a new FE501 a month ago in Kamloops, BC Canada. Had it for six days. Did the 1 hour service and at 5hrs the engine started making a terrible screeching noise. Its been at a warranty approved shop now for 25 days and they are still waiting for Husqvarna to make up their mind regarding changing all the moving internal parts or ship a new engine from Austria or simply put it together and let me ride it till it leaves me stranded. The shop cannot find the source of the noise however the mechanic and Husqvarna rep agree something is seriously wrong. Also being that this bike is street legal I have paid for a month of insurance I haven't been able to use. Additionally I have essentially missed out on the best time of year to ride. I guess my philosophy of saving to 'buy the best and cry once' hasnt held true this time. Luckily my 2006 RMZ 450 hasn't sold and is still going strong.
@@MaggotDiggo1 yeah still working good at 200 hours. They found the flywheel keyhole wasn't properly lined up so the flywheel was rubbing on the cover making a screeching noise. The engine makes a lot of mechanical noise but has been running fine other then the slave cylinder crapping out at 30hrs which I hear was common. Warranty paid for the part and I changed it. Clutch pull is a bit heavier but at least it hasnt stopped working.
They aren't "dirt bikes". There's tons of those, at lower price point. Dual-Sport bikes are hybrids that retain as much dirt bike pedigree as possible, but are also engineered to preform adequately & legally on road (whereas Adventure or ADV bikes are larger road bikes with some off-road capability). If you don't need to be legal on road, then stick to dirt bikes.
It's worth mentioning that the Husky 501 comes with a 6 month warranty. The Honda 450L comes with a 1 year warranty that can be extended an additional 5 years.
@@oso1165 the 500/501 are totally different bikes than the 450L, yet here they are being compared with shit like warranty life. Lmao. That's the point.
Well done guys. I rode a new 450L two weeks ago at my local dealership. I really liked it. It was smooth, light clutch pull, comfortable, felt light and was easy to pivot turn from a stop. I regularly ride a CRF250X and an XR650L. I think the new Honda will be the ONE bike for me, letting me get rid of the two. My only complaint is the price. I feel a bike like this should be priced in the 7500.00 range. I think Honda simply priced it like the European offerings because they can.
Hi there.. i am building a CRF250X with a zongshen (NC250) motor in it. I could really take some feedback on installing a Cush Hub kit for the CRF250X. would you recommend it ?? I hear the crf450X cush hub wheels are a direct swap. looking forward to your reponse. Also happen to own a XR650L !! cheers.
T Bahr Honda Monkey 125, out the door , non abs, taxes,title,tag,set up,delivery,etc- $5100.00. The world we live in. Everything is super expensive!! I don’t think its priced to high, especially when you compare it next to a Monkey-125
Honda's are always a bit pricey compared the other Japanese bikes. In this case, I think they priced it like this so it wouldn't be thought of as an inferior bike, budget bike to the KTM and Husky's.
@@micaKTM1290 That's exactly what they should have done, because half the appeal of traditional Japanese dual sports is they are economical compared to Euro bikes, at the cost of a bit of performance. $8,500-$9,000 price range and their sales would shit on KTM/Husky in this category. But they got greedy.
Definitely agree with you on the pricing aspect. And C'Mon... they've been crankin out CRF450's for some time now so it's not like they had to do all that much re-tooling either.
Me: Hey Honda, lose 30 lbs and I will consider you. Until then I'm going to stick with my menage-a-trois with KTM and Husky. Honda: But I'm really reliable! Me: Lose 30 lbs!
So dissapointed, another missed opportunity. Its a 10k hotrod with mirrors that will prob get trailered to trails because it has too small of a tank and is not set up for long riding or.... why wont a manufacturer just make a decent 4-500cc actual adventure bike ? They make 250-300 that are too damn small and 600-1200s that weigh a ton, dont have real rear subframes or/and cost a fortune when you hit a twig SMH.
Your opinion on the range in incorrect. The guys ponying up premium money for performance dual sports want 150 mile range for BDR rides, DS rallies etc. Its the first mod, after full wrap hand guards, wtf Honda.
So now after 4 years, Honda has sorted the flame-outs, the touchy throttle, revised the oil change intervals, reduced the weight a little, right? Can't wait to order a new 2023 with all the refinements!
@@lw8447 , I missed a chance to ride a used Honda last year, so I can't speak from experience. Ended up with a new Beta 500 this year and it's been great.
Just got my brand new 2022 450RL yesterday at an amazing price 9200 + tax. Awesome machine. Can't wait to ride it more than what I've had a chance to do far. Already ordered a throttle taming kit. I think I could get used to it as is but got it to be on the safe side.
Hoping they bring out a crf450 rally version, like the 250. Even if it's £1000 more expensive, i'd still be interested. But then again that is 2-3 year old africa twin territory...
I think a 2022 comparison would be worthwhile. Price difference has increased to $1,900 since 2019. Husky/KTM still the gold standard but all 3 bikes are well over most rider's capability levels including mine. With that $1,900 you can go Vortex/Yoshi which cuts 11 pounds, adds at least 10hp and solves the throttle issue. IMS 3 gallon tank and a proper set of tires as well. I recently bought a 300 Rally which I'll keep for longer street days but I am probably going to get a 450 RL to replace my Tiger 900 which is no longer relevant for me.
No way you'll get 150 miles even with a 3 gallon tank. I have a 250L with some mods and a 3 gallon tank, I get about 50 MPGs. I once put a 143 miles on a tank, I literally had just ounces left in the tank.
It seems that Honda is leaving that up to the aftermarket's. We now offer 2 color ways of the 3.0 gallon tank from IMS. You can check that out here. www.rockymountainatvmc.com/parts/ims-fuel-tank-%28no-ca%29-p?v=15810 Thanks for watching! - Wes
I love this type of real world review where two different size riders swap bakes back and forth. It gives a more complete picture of the bikes ups and downs. So huge THUMBS UP to RMATVMC for all you guys do for the motorcycle riders of the world. Ride On...
Nathan F I heard that. But that doesn’t disguise or describe heft. Obviously the 501 wins in this category but a bike that spins up quicker isn’t going to keep you upright if it’s weight isn’t carried well. Us woods guys need every excuse we can get for dropping a bike 👍 Both bikes are awesome!
@@PennsylvaniaDualSport Huh, I thought from their comments and reactions that the CRF450L was a better choice. If I was looking, I'd rather have the Honda for less $ and the riding characteristics they mentioned. I ride a WR250R btw.
Both would out-perform my wr250R in the dirt, but neither have me dying to ditch old faithful. It should be noted you can get a nice used wr250R for $3-5k right now.
I love my WR250R. For half the CCs I still feel I have plenty of power. Of course I don’t fly through the trails at 80mph and don’t intend to really street it. Just needed the DOT for forest service roads.
So far, the Wr250R is the best 50/50 dual sport i've ridden or owned. I own a WR250X with a WR250R wheel set and while it's not without flaws, I can use it for everything including commuting as a super moto, long distance touring, riding single track... the list goes on. Riding a dual sport off-road seems to garner more respect than ridicule because other dudes on yz250's and CRF450's know they have the advantage, but realize the utilitarianism of the WR. Just my 2 cents.
My ktm525 has a small tank as well and I must say it does get annoying. Because sometimes we're out in the trails for hours and I'll have to cut out to get gas and come back..but i really enjoy the power it has.
Fuel injection or carbs? More specific power out up (horsepower/torque). And I would love to have seen a drag race or at least a second gear pull side by side. Even a 0-60 comparison would have been cool. Great review of the suspension and other ride characteristics though.
While I don’t have a super strong leg to stand on because I haven’t ridden the Honda, let’s be honest, it doesn’t stand up to Husky or KTMs pure performance and suspension components. With that said, you’ll probably be tinkering with the Honda a lot less, and it’ll be smoother on the street...but you’re buying this to be a dirt bike, not a mile munching adv bike. Husky for the win.
One thing I would like to point out, is that the extra vibrations that exist on the street also exist off-road, and contributes to fatigue. You may not notice it from the other bumps and hits, but it continues to wear at you.
Excellent job. I’ve seen reviews and nobody else mentioned all the vibration dampening items that the Honda has. It’s good to know that it’s a lot smoother on the road.
Seemed to gloss over the fact that Honda is 40lbs heavier despite being down on power. Light ADV is a good fit for the Honda. A plated dirt bike it is not.
Perfect timing. Excellent, well thought out review! Was great to see you guys add your thoughts "after" the ride. Sometimes it takes a bit to really sink in, and the info provided answered a lot of my questions. The biggest revelation to me was that you guys have the Husky's for sale! I checked the web site and didn't see them. Would be nice to buy the bike from the same place I'd be getting all the support gear, and upgrades. Any chance to do a comparison between the FE 450 and the FE501? I've searched TH-cam and the net, and there isn't really anything out there from sources I'm comfortable with trusting my $10K plus investment in. Thanks in advance, Scott
My little WR went up and over everything, and had a 300 mile fuel range. In fact, while riding up a really, really steep trail, I had to walk back down the hill to help my riding buddy push his stock KTM500 cc enduro type bike. Yeah, I had a 4.7 gallon IMS tank put on, along with a 52 tooth rear sprocket. It had all the power I needed to carry my 300lb frame. Never, ever had the bike stall out on a steep climb. It didn't matter how steep, it carried me and my gear right up. With six gears it could still go 65mph. Also, had a spring from a victory road bike put on (at Rocky Mountain ATV in the Springs) after that my weight, nor the luggage I carried made little difference. I would get in the rough stuff, and leave most everybody behind. I am not talking about the joke of trails in this video.....I am talking about really steep rough trails filled with troy palomalou head rocks, lol. It just depends on how much you want to spend. Maintenance costs were extremely low, and first tune up wasn't for 25k miles, really! Loved the little bike which was great for me, and that is why I have a problem with the "first performance enduro bike from Japanese companies" statement. The correct term would be "First really, really expensive performance enduro type bike from Japanese companies!". I say that, because I obviously got plenty of performance from the WR, and never a single problem with over 7000 miles of the roughest trail riding you could imagine. Then I sold it for only two grand less than I bought it for. Thanks for the review though, but I feel you were talking up the Honda a little much. Truth be said, I am pretty sure with being lighter and having 20 more HP, the Husky would ride circles around the Honda. Currently, I am eyeing the 701.
To me it seems these two bikes do serve two different purposes. While both are high performance off road bikes, the Honda skews more toward dual sport, with the various dampened chassis parts, a quieter ride, less vibration and probably the biggest thing is a metal subframe suitable for carrying stuff. The KTM/Husqvarna skews more toward dirt, with higher power output, more ground clearance, and lighter weight (with a plastic subframe). I applaud Honda for bringing this bike to the market. It fills an unmet need - of mine! I plan on getting one soon for dual sport missions. It will fill a gap in the stable with the Beta 300 for woods, the BMW 1200 for long range, and the Montesa 4RT for trials!
Give me the red Honda plus the $900 to make the mods I like (proper handguards, suspension upgrades and good foot pegs), at the end, I will end up having a super reliable dual purpose bike, these bikes are built to make long travels so reliability is a major factor here, dependability is something were Honda wins!!!
Nice to see Honda do something but so over priced. A new DRZ 400 (been around 18 years) can be cheaply modified and out do the Honda for thousands less. I can see what type of person would buy this but for anyone who likes to do some real dirt biking and still be street legal I feel Beta is the best option right now. Even more dirt ready than the detuned KTM & Husky D.S's. Beta's have been getting better and better and there sales are growing as a result.
I own both these bikes, to say the husky has better suspension is ludicrous. The Honda kills my husky in suspension and fit and finish. Intial on throttle is rough due to the extreme lean tuning on the bike. No one discusses that honda is held to tighter requirements due to producing cars in CA and NY. That said both bikes need tuning and a pipe to solve fueling on both. I run Vortex on the Husky and will do the same on the honda, this paired with exhaust and we will see how they compare at that point.
Jimpassarotri you cannot modify the stock ECU. That’s why people are using Vortex ECU instead. However you can also buy the stock 450x ECU and flash it with HRC tuner
Husqvarna FE 501 S: 510.4 cc, 239 lbs (108.4 kg) Honda CRF450RL: 449.0 cc, 291 lbs (132 kg) Nope... Honda does not have a good entry. I am sorry for you because you think it is 😥 weighs almost as much as KTM 690/Husqvarna 701. Better comparison would be to those bikes since it is almost in the same weight category. But, the KTM 690 and Husqvarna 701 are 241 CC larger; so ultimately it would lose that battle as well.
Love how you compare the dry weight of the Husky to the wet weight of the Honda. Once you lose the Honda stock muffler and all the emissions the weight difference is about 20 pounds. Everyone knows Husky’s live in the shop and the shed while waiting for parts and paychecks. Meanwhile the Honda will be slinging that extra 20 pounds around everywhere all-day everyday for years with no issues whatsoever.
I've ridden red for 25 years.. 82 xr 80 89 xr 250 86 xr 600 99 xr 600 07 xr 650 l Currently a plated 01 xr 400 an I can hang with the best on it...honda has never let me down!
ill stick with my ktm 690 .... im not shelling out basically 11.5 k for any 450, Plus I no longer live in Az , I need the range to get somewhere decent to ride, so all my bikes have bigger tanks so theres another $500
Can also afford to put miles on the thing without constant wrenching and its just getting good and broken in about the time the honda needs a new motor.
whats odd about the "estimate " of engine life is that my wr250r has gone 51K without anything other than a fuel pump and plugs, fantastic compression oil changed @ 1k intervals hauling my fat arse everywhere
@@sparkyobrian6417 they've been putting the same kind of ultra light, high maintenance, ragged edge motors in dirt bikes for years. That's why everyone who just wants to ride and have fun wants a two stroke now. The two strokes are lower maintenance and cheaper to operate. The WR250R motor wasn't based on a dirt motor at all. It weighs more than one and makes 7 or 8 less horsepower, but so what! You can actually use the darn thing.
Last year the KTM and Blue KTM were the only plated enduros? What about the Beta, I know they is In The states. And in some states I believe the wr450 is road legal like it is from the shops in many other countries, where I live the wr400 and450 has always been optional street legal from the shop since the first WR400. There is also the French offering in the Sherco 45. Now that I have corrected the untruths it's great that a 2nd Japanese manufacturer has made a street legal dirt bike, shot Honda the CRF450X is street legal in most countries. So really thanks Honda for making a Japanese street legal dirt bike with a 6speed box like the European bikes! In the CRF450L...
Oh and a crush hub is something never been done in the dial sport market... Excuse me it used to be the standard, all the old XRS the Dr . I'm not sure I can make it to the end instead of telling us the good point you deleted the history of dual sports and decided that the CRF is the first Japanese dual sport every made! I expect more from a company that has supported the dual sport community for so long shot my 1986 Xlr250r came with a stock cush hub
why did you guys spend so much time talking about the license and tail light assembly?!?! no one keeps that shit. it's just there to pass DOT. then we mount a flush license mount and LED taillight. and talking about vibrations? LOL it's a thumper. it's gonna vibrate.
My dream, that will never be reality, is a counterbalanced 2 stroke dual sport, basically a modern DT1. Alas, we are not allowed to have that much fun. :) The KTM product is far more dirt focused, but the Honda offers broader capability. With a little suspension work and exhaust tuning/crap removal, the Honda is about the closest thing to a do it all dual sport available. Don't let the maintenance interval scare you either. Changing 1.5 quarts of oil once in awhile is no big deal. Stay up on air filter maintenance and the valves wear a long time. I have a '10 slant engine Husaberg FE450, after the initial bed in, the valves have not moved in 9 years. Smoked my 450 by the DMV and it wears a plate. It is a great trail connecting bike, but as a real dirt bike, it sucks on the street. That is just how it is. I have a street bike (FZ1) for street riding. Having a plate is great on the epic rides though. Trailer your dual sport to a place like Gunnison CO, unload it and ride the bike while there, load it when done and drive home. Awesome stuff there!
Great review and not bias based on power or brand which is refreshing. I think you are missing a key component to dualsport or light adventure which is cruising speed vs rpm. I definitely would like to know where these stack up at street and highway speed (45/65) in that regard. Can’t wait to see the light adv build vids. Nice work.
I read somewhere that the Honda was doing 6300 RPM at 65 mph. That sounds a little high to be comfortable and get good fuel economy but I guess with the dampened parts you wouldn't feel the vibes maybe, I've seen dyno runs where the Honda has about a 10,200 RPM rev limiter that was good for just under 90 MPH. It has a six speed trans so it seems geared pretty low overall to me. My DR650 will barely to 6,500 RPM and it will do right at 100 MPH with only a five speed gearbox.
You forgot to talk about the weight which the Husky wins by a landslide and at the 150 to 200 mile mark or tight gnarly trails is a wanted thing. Other than that nice review.
I know what you really meant but you said "plated from the factory" obviously that is incorrect ..."platABLE from the factory" would be one right way to say it
Dont you get the kawasaki klr 650? What about the suzuki drz 400?? Those are road legal dual sport bikes here in australia and both were produced before the crf450l
Always kind of strange to hear first street legal dual sport Honda. Here in The Netherlands you have all the brands a while now Honda, Yamaha, KTM, Suzuki, Kawaski and huscvarna. My WR450F has done 6.000 miles. Honda isn't really popular here since its low on power and high on weight. I've never noticed the vibrations on the 501, but I mean moaning about vibrations on an enduro/ dual sport; you'd expect it to have vibrations.
C,mon.......I put 150 miles on my bike in the Desert when I go out. 80 miles isn't going to cut it. I was a Honda Man, but this bike is for wanna-be's. Get a KTM/Husky and enjoy all the easy aftermarket upgrades that are already out there and make these Killer Off-Roaders. Buy a left over DR-Z if you are a trail bike putz.....or pay too much for the Pig in Lipstick that is the Honda 450. No amount of money will get you to the weight and power of the Austrians.
Really enjoyed your review, I thought it was very fair and very accurate. What did you guys think about the seats? They look very thin for a long ride.
I see some places that states the HP of the 450 is 25. Seems low but one page says it's actually in the mod 40s. I didn't easily find anything on the 501 so I looked at the KTM 500 EXC (almost same engine?) and that's about 58. Sounds like the 501 is likely quite a bit more powerful. I'm about 210lbs so HP would make a difference. I ride a slightly modded DR650 and that's gotta be putting out 50+ HP but @330lbs, either of these would be like a bicycle in the woods for weight.
Thanks for this video guys. You are the first to do a comparison video with the Honda. Seems to me the Honda will make a much better base for a lightweight adventure bike. It's for this reason alone that I think it will sell better than the European performance dual sports offerings. It's going to be hugely popular.
There's no factory street legal Yamaha in the 450 class to compare. Both these bikes stomp the shit outta the wr250. The Beta 390, 430 and 500 are all fantastic motorcycles.
No mention of the Beta because the video is a comparison between the Honda and Husky!!!! If you want to see Beta's mentioned click on videos with Beta in the title, not Honda and Husqvarna.
@@micaKTM1290 The comment is more speaking on why haven't RM released a video on the Beta when it's been out for a while. Does it not deserve the recognition and product support from this excellent company? Your title comment is very valid.
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Good on Honda for recognizing what KTM (and now Beta, Gas Gas, Sherco, etc) has known for YEARS! There IS a market for street legal dirtbikes and we need more of them!
Maybe you should mention that to Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki.
@@captainamerica9353Yamaha use to make a wr250r idk why they stopped. The wr450f was always being converted to street legal but idk why they never made a wr450r I would’ve bought it instantly
@@christopherbassit2757- you have to live in Oz to have a legal 450. Yamaha is missing a big market in the U.S.
Next time you guys are in Saint George let me tag along with my sub $2000 Year 2000 DRZ400! ;) Seriously, that would be a pretty rad Top Gear style comparison!
I guess that wouldn’t help them sell over priced dirt bikes, disguised as dual sports...
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Еслиб хоть кто нибудь помог купить мне этот мотоцикл я был бы самым счастливым человеком на этой земле.Я русский зарплаты не хвотает даже на самое необходимое,какой уж мотоцикл.А за вас я рад что хоть кто-то имеет возможность купить hondy crf 450l.Эх😢
Eve!!!!
Yes please! I love my DRZ!
Oh come on u drz guys can’t honestly compare these bikes. Just take ur drz to a track and tell me what happens out of the corners over jumps and through ruts ur out powered plus ur suspension is garbage these bikes have suspension that cost twice as much as a drz alone. I’d jump these dual sports from 15ft houses and have no problem. If people just changed their oil frequently the bike would last forever u may wanna check ur valves after a couple thousand km but that’s it. Don’t go 1000km before u change ur oil u must be an idiot if u doo.
Guy on the Honda said “what do you get for $900.00” (more), referring to the more expensive Husky. What I would have said “1/2 gallon more fuel, hydro clutch, 8+ more HP, and 40lbs less weight.” Oh yeah, “hand guards too, and a more forgiving Chromoly frame”. Let’s see them drop 20lbs on the Honda for under $900.00;-). Not hating on the Honda, and it’s good there are more choices in this category of motorcycle, but I just got a bit of a biased feel from the review at times. Overall however, enjoyable and good review. Thanks
Justin Rios, LoL. Of course a bike that weighs that much should last a geologic era. Seriously, the Honda does have its reputation for quality, but I would not count my maintenance eggs before they hatch. Especially on a new model bike. Coming from someone who has experience with post Austrian Husky’s and Honda CRF-X 450’s, the most important factor is proper maintenance. BTW, my TE was just as reliable as my brothers 450x. 👍
I'm sorry... Honda has taken a true $7,000 bike and put a $10,000 price tag on it... Boooooo
3 000 more cos Husqvarna have 6 gear
@@182mcg1 Honda is 6 speed as well.
I'm on my 4th rear fender for the husky and 2nd hydraulic clutch slave cylinder (the seal failed) in 900 miles. Maybe the cable clutch is not so bad.
Peter Callies their is something about simplicity 👍
Truth, I broke the plate holder on my TE450, so just modified it a little and moved plate to a different part of the plastic that still remained. I get pulled over every so often for plate visibility (or general curiosity), but it's not so bad. The clutch master cylinder on mine leaks. Took it apart and found the same issue as most: anodizing flakes off inside of cylinder. Still haven't replaced it, no need since it doesn't leak bad enough.
I've raced bikes with hydraulic clutches enduros and cross country for 20 years without a problem, just lucky I guess.
0:09 How the hell can we see that? Lol
Lol Proof right there that it was EARLY! #ishouldstillbeinbed #needcoffee - Wes
nobody around working.
who wants to get to the trail just to go back and get some gas. not every one lives next to the trail. These bikes are great if you are close to a trail but no good if you have to go any distance to the trail or if want to go deep in to the woods on some rough fire roads, or old logging trails. Put a much bigger tank on them and then you got a real on of road bike,
So in short the husky is better for serious off-road and race the Honda is a good all arounder. The husky just looks like it could be pushed harder. Good for Honda though maybe the rest will follow.
As a person working in the injection molding field it's hard to believe a welded titanium tank could be cheaper...
Because it's so small lol
I agree, but maybe creating all the moulds and dies for production arrives at a loss compared to the dies to stamp out the metal "titanium" tank.
Sure the oil change intervals are short, but the Honda has a 3 ring piston versus the motocross version which has one. So top end life should be similar to drz or comparable. How many rings does husky have?
How many rings does the DRZ have?
So you don't have to haul the 450L but where do you haul the gas :)
We have since updated to the IMS 3.0 Gallon Tank. Stay tuned for the build video! #GoodToGo - Wes
Honda = Dual Sport
Husky = street legal Enduro
Not every rider wants a race bike, and not ever racer wants a dual sport that can cruise comfortably down the pavement. There's an arse for every seat!
The CRF450L is not even a dual sport considering that it has a detuned CRF450R race engine with tighter maintenance than real dual sports.
@@E2MotoThe CRF450L is a CRF450X with choked down motor for emissions and longer gearing. The L model makes about 37 horsepower to the tire while the X makes around 40 horsepower to the tire. The X model shares little in common with the CRF450R/RX besides the motor architecture. The R/RX model has better flowing heads, cam, exhaust system, and a 5 speed gearbox. The R/RX model makes around 54 horsepower to the tire. Considering the L is designed for 20K mile intervals before you're breaking head gasket/base gasket seals, I would consider it a dual sport. If you look at an example like a KTM XCW vs the EXCF, they share identical motors. If you are to modify the EXCF with a less restrictive exhaust system, it will make just as much power as an XCW. Service intervals for top end maintenance are probably on the order of 4K to 5K miles. I think this speaks to the fact that the KTM (or Husky) are Enduro race bikes with lights on them, and the Honda isn't.
@@nepats3669 i agree with most of what you said until you said the EXC-F's require top ends at 4-5k. That is not accurate. 15k, sure. It could use a refresh. But as long as you're keeping your air filter clean and oiled, you can extend that interval.
I’ve had plenty of 4 bangers and the thing that did piss me off was that they where all race bikes that need high maintenance. All I really want to do is cruise around and hit the bush tracks up. The crf450l will be my choice of off road bike.
@@wooblebloc sounds good, enjoy your 600 mile oil changes and 1,800 mile valve inspections on your low maintenance bike. Lmao
The Husky also gets a lot of extra unreliability. Sweet!
The days of the $15k dirtbike are just around the corner. Gotta love it!
they're almost here :(
This comment aged well. Those days are here my friend and they came too soon
@@evantomer1336 It's a sad day. We won't see "normal" prices again in our lifetime. Things will get better in 2024, but by then people and companies will be comfortably numb to the price gouging, so things will continue at the inflated rates. You won't see a new, modern mx or enduro bike for $10k or under. 😞
sadly you are proven correct...
please advise with lottery numbers aswell!
😢 those days are here
A duel sport is suppose to crank out high miles... that’s the whole damn point
Buy a drz
@@koul_2482 drz's are heavy, i would buy drz but the supermoto one not the dual sport.
Yeah such small tanks
The on/off throttle of the Honda = fun, who doesn’t want a bike that feels light! The aggressive throttle response is what the “high performance” (450l, fe501, ect) side of enduro should be like. If you want super smooth low power go with the 250l😂
What about maintenance? Are the two bikes the same or does one have to be maintained more often. Plus price on maintenance. That plays a big part. No one wants to buy a bike like this that has to be serviced or have valve checks after a few hundred miles/kms
I love my 450L. It's funny how I have test driven a H2 Hummer, Escalade, 662 HR GT500 Cobra but you can't destroy ride a 10K motorcycle, legal liability, bs, A&S Motorsports in Roseville CA or any Harley dealer will let you ride 200 HP Ducati or 30K Harleys. Never rode the ktm 500 or husky 501 and rode the red one a few hundred feet after signing pw, I will have to love it cause after 10k plus I can't go buy white and orange also(love em ALL).
After a few weeks on the 501 I think people are full of it there’s no vibrations at all unless your up in the rpm’s and literally every single cylinder bike has that it’s normal for the single cylinder… not sure what people complain about. On the road if you ride it right low in the rpm’s it’s smooth as butter with all the power as high because it’s lower gear ratio
Just picked up a new FE501 a month ago in Kamloops, BC Canada. Had it for six days. Did the 1 hour service and at 5hrs the engine started making a terrible screeching noise. Its been at a warranty approved shop now for 25 days and they are still waiting for Husqvarna to make up their mind regarding changing all the moving internal parts or ship a new engine from Austria or simply put it together and let me ride it till it leaves me stranded. The shop cannot find the source of the noise however the mechanic and Husqvarna rep agree something is seriously wrong. Also being that this bike is street legal I have paid for a month of insurance I haven't been able to use. Additionally I have essentially missed out on the best time of year to ride. I guess my philosophy of saving to 'buy the best and cry once' hasnt held true this time. Luckily my 2006 RMZ 450 hasn't sold and is still going strong.
A couple of years on, did they fix your bike? You still got it?
@@MaggotDiggo1 yeah still working good at 200 hours. They found the flywheel keyhole wasn't properly lined up so the flywheel was rubbing on the cover making a screeching noise. The engine makes a lot of mechanical noise but has been running fine other then the slave cylinder crapping out at 30hrs which I hear was common. Warranty paid for the part and I changed it. Clutch pull is a bit heavier but at least it hasnt stopped working.
$10k to $12k you could buy a truck and an older Dr-z 400e, drop the bike and still be better off.
We get the wr from Yamaha down here in Australia for years they the best duel sports you guys have missed out
i dont understand how these cost so much when u can buy a huqvarna 701 or KTM 690 for about the same price 10K for a dirtbike is ridiculous
They aren't "dirt bikes". There's tons of those, at lower price point. Dual-Sport bikes are hybrids that retain as much dirt bike pedigree as possible, but are also engineered to preform adequately & legally on road (whereas Adventure or ADV bikes are larger road bikes with some off-road capability). If you don't need to be legal on road, then stick to dirt bikes.
It's worth mentioning that the Husky 501 comes with a 6 month warranty. The Honda 450L comes with a 1 year warranty that can be extended an additional 5 years.
It's worth noting the 701 comes with 2 year warranty if that's important to you.
@@anonymousanonymous8306 and a Hyundai comes with a 10 year warranty. what's your point? totally different bike lmfao
@@oso1165 Yes, the 701 is a man's bike.
@@oso1165 the 500/501 are totally different bikes than the 450L, yet here they are being compared with shit like warranty life. Lmao. That's the point.
5 year extended plan for another $1500 you mean.
Well done guys. I rode a new 450L two weeks ago at my local dealership. I really liked it. It was smooth, light clutch pull, comfortable, felt light and was easy to pivot turn from a stop. I regularly ride a CRF250X and an XR650L. I think the new Honda will be the ONE bike for me, letting me get rid of the two. My only complaint is the price. I feel a bike like this should be priced in the 7500.00 range. I think Honda simply priced it like the European offerings because they can.
Hi there.. i am building a CRF250X with a zongshen (NC250) motor in it. I could really take some feedback on installing a Cush Hub kit for the CRF250X. would you recommend it ?? I hear the crf450X cush hub wheels are a direct swap. looking forward to your reponse. Also happen to own a XR650L !! cheers.
T Bahr Honda Monkey 125, out the door , non abs, taxes,title,tag,set up,delivery,etc- $5100.00. The world we live in. Everything is super expensive!! I don’t think its priced to high, especially when you compare it next to a Monkey-125
Honda's are always a bit pricey compared the other Japanese bikes. In this case, I think they priced it like this so it wouldn't be thought of as an inferior bike, budget bike to the KTM and Husky's.
@@micaKTM1290 That's exactly what they should have done, because half the appeal of traditional Japanese dual sports is they are economical compared to Euro bikes, at the cost of a bit of performance. $8,500-$9,000 price range and their sales would shit on KTM/Husky in this category. But they got greedy.
Definitely agree with you on the pricing aspect. And C'Mon... they've been crankin out CRF450's for some time now so it's not like they had to do all that much re-tooling either.
I should’ve pulled the trigger on a ‘19 Beta 390. Right before the lockdown, they were on sale for only $8,700!!!
Awesome motor.
Does this Honda you tested have the vortex ECU upgrade or was this completely stock? I know a lot of people complain about it stalling at low rpm
Me: Hey Honda, lose 30 lbs and I will consider you. Until then I'm going to stick with my menage-a-trois with KTM and Husky.
Honda: But I'm really reliable!
Me: Lose 30 lbs!
Husquverna 701- Enduro is the same money!! Rather have 85-hp
So dissapointed, another missed opportunity. Its a 10k hotrod with mirrors that will prob get trailered to trails because it has too small of a tank and is not set up for long riding or.... why wont a manufacturer just make a decent 4-500cc actual adventure bike ? They make 250-300 that are too damn small and 600-1200s that weigh a ton, dont have real rear subframes or/and cost a fortune when you hit a twig SMH.
Your opinion on the range in incorrect. The guys ponying up premium money for performance dual sports want 150 mile range for BDR rides, DS rallies etc. Its the first mod, after full wrap hand guards, wtf Honda.
The 450l just seems like a better street legal bike for the price..I'll be getting one next week! Wooo!
Very jealous..... How did you go?
So now after 4 years, Honda has sorted the flame-outs, the touchy throttle, revised the oil change intervals, reduced the weight a little, right? Can't wait to order a new 2023 with all the refinements!
haha nope same ol bike
@@lw8447 , I missed a chance to ride a used Honda last year, so I can't speak from experience. Ended up with a new Beta 500 this year and it's been great.
Just got my brand new 2022 450RL yesterday at an amazing price 9200 + tax. Awesome machine. Can't wait to ride it more than what I've had a chance to do far. Already ordered a throttle taming kit. I think I could get used to it as is but got it to be on the safe side.
Hoping they bring out a crf450 rally version, like the 250. Even if it's £1000 more expensive, i'd still be interested. But then again that is 2-3 year old africa twin territory...
Great review guys, only interesting thing that could have been added is the maintenance schedule of both bikes (valve check and oil change).
I need to know more about that school bus at 8:26...
I think a 2022 comparison would be worthwhile. Price difference has increased to $1,900 since 2019. Husky/KTM still the gold standard but all 3 bikes are well over most rider's capability levels including mine. With that $1,900 you can go Vortex/Yoshi which cuts 11 pounds, adds at least 10hp and solves the throttle issue. IMS 3 gallon tank and a proper set of tires as well. I recently bought a 300 Rally which I'll keep for longer street days but I am probably going to get a 450 RL to replace my Tiger 900 which is no longer relevant for me.
No way you'll get 150 miles even with a 3 gallon tank. I have a 250L with some mods and a 3 gallon tank, I get about 50 MPGs. I once put a 143 miles on a tank, I literally had just ounces left in the tank.
450l is a bike built for the road , the 501 is direct from the enduro world with a plate put on
I'll take the 501 then
Is there ANY option for a larger fuel tank for the Honda??? If not that’s a huge oversight by Honda.
It seems that Honda is leaving that up to the aftermarket's. We now offer 2 color ways of the 3.0 gallon tank from IMS. You can check that out here. www.rockymountainatvmc.com/parts/ims-fuel-tank-%28no-ca%29-p?v=15810
Thanks for watching! - Wes
I love this type of real world review where two different size riders swap bakes back and forth. It gives a more complete picture of the bikes ups and downs. So huge THUMBS UP to RMATVMC for all you guys do for the motorcycle riders of the world. Ride On...
You didn’t discuss how each bike carries it’s weight and if the difference was noticeable from bike to bike.
They said the 450L feels lighter because the engine spins up quicker.
Nathan F I heard that. But that doesn’t disguise or describe heft. Obviously the 501 wins in this category but a bike that spins up quicker isn’t going to keep you upright if it’s weight isn’t carried well. Us woods guys need every excuse we can get for dropping a bike 👍
Both bikes are awesome!
@@PennsylvaniaDualSport Huh, I thought from their comments and reactions that the CRF450L was a better choice. If I was looking, I'd rather have the Honda for less $ and the riding characteristics they mentioned. I ride a WR250R btw.
Sam Larson I think it went 450L for more dual sport oriented riding (50/50) and 20/80 for the husky due to its vibey feel on road.
@@PennsylvaniaDualSport I thin the husky is 100% dirt. It just happens to be road legal. It's all dirt though.
If you can deal with the weight of the honda just buy 701 with 70 plus horsepower and 5k valve adjustments.
Both would out-perform my wr250R in the dirt, but neither have me dying to ditch old faithful. It should be noted you can get a nice used wr250R for $3-5k right now.
Too bad they discontinued the wr450
@@stimpsonjcat26 Pretty sure you're mistaken there. They do still make the wr450. Just look it up on youtube for 2019.
@@trevorjolley7273 They do still make a wr450 but I was talking about the wr450R which was a dual sport model with longer service intervals.
I love my WR250R. For half the CCs I still feel I have plenty of power. Of course I don’t fly through the trails at 80mph and don’t intend to really street it. Just needed the DOT for forest service roads.
So far, the Wr250R is the best 50/50 dual sport i've ridden or owned. I own a WR250X with a WR250R wheel set and while it's not without flaws, I can use it for everything including commuting as a super moto, long distance touring, riding single track... the list goes on. Riding a dual sport off-road seems to garner more respect than ridicule because other dudes on yz250's and CRF450's know they have the advantage, but realize the utilitarianism of the WR. Just my 2 cents.
Fun to see a bike test right in my own neighborhood. I've got a CRF250L Rally and I had to beef up the suspension. Feels much better (safer) off road.
How did the cable clutch on the Honda feel at the end of the day?
Flawless my guess!
@@crfsikness yes, it’s an easy pull. I bought this bike 2 years ago. Great machine! Pipe and vortex required.
I think 🤔 I have watched every 450L review out there and I’ll have a common theme, go to gas stations LOL
My ktm525 has a small tank as well and I must say it does get annoying. Because sometimes we're out in the trails for hours and I'll have to cut out to get gas and come back..but i really enjoy the power it has.
I just picked up the 450l a few months ago
Gas station rallies yay!😕
Fuel injection or carbs? More specific power out up (horsepower/torque). And I would love to have seen a drag race or at least a second gear pull side by side. Even a 0-60 comparison would have been cool. Great review of the suspension and other ride characteristics though.
I often wonder why they don't do 0-45 and 0-60 tests, along with roll-ons, too. You never see it with dirt bike comparisons.
Not one roll-on😩. No mention of potential highway speeds of each bike.🤔
While I don’t have a super strong leg to stand on because I haven’t ridden the Honda, let’s be honest, it doesn’t stand up to Husky or KTMs pure performance and suspension components. With that said, you’ll probably be tinkering with the Honda a lot less, and it’ll be smoother on the street...but you’re buying this to be a dirt bike, not a mile munching adv bike. Husky for the win.
One thing I would like to point out, is that the extra vibrations that exist on the street also exist off-road, and contributes to fatigue. You may not notice it from the other bumps and hits, but it continues to wear at you.
Honda more street, husky more dirt Honda is always middle of the road making everybody happy Huskies more hard-edged for dirt oriented Riders
motorcycleguy73 Pretty much sums it up perfectly.
motorcycleguy73 depends because many people say they love the suspension on the Hondas , taking them on quite extreme trails over big rocks etc
Excellent job. I’ve seen reviews and nobody else mentioned all the vibration dampening items that the Honda has. It’s good to know that it’s a lot smoother on the road.
If you want a bike to go to work with , buy a Honda ! If you're into off-roading buy a KTM or HUSKY ! 😀
Seemed to gloss over the fact that Honda is 40lbs heavier despite being down on power. Light ADV is a good fit for the Honda. A plated dirt bike it is not.
Perfect timing. Excellent, well thought out review! Was great to see you guys add your thoughts "after" the ride. Sometimes it takes a bit to really sink in, and the info provided answered a lot of my questions.
The biggest revelation to me was that you guys have the Husky's for sale! I checked the web site and didn't see them. Would be nice to buy the bike from the same place I'd be getting all the support gear, and upgrades.
Any chance to do a comparison between the FE 450 and the FE501? I've searched TH-cam and the net, and there isn't really anything out there from sources I'm comfortable with trusting my $10K plus investment in.
Thanks in advance,
Scott
That 450/501 comparison is greatly needed
My little WR went up and over everything, and had a 300 mile fuel range. In fact, while riding up a really, really steep trail, I had to walk back down the hill to help my riding buddy push his stock KTM500 cc enduro type bike. Yeah, I had a 4.7 gallon IMS tank put on, along with a 52 tooth rear sprocket. It had all the power I needed to carry my 300lb frame. Never, ever had the bike stall out on a steep climb. It didn't matter how steep, it carried me and my gear right up. With six gears it could still go 65mph. Also, had a spring from a victory road bike put on (at Rocky Mountain ATV in the Springs) after that my weight, nor the luggage I carried made little difference. I would get in the rough stuff, and leave most everybody behind. I am not talking about the joke of trails in this video.....I am talking about really steep rough trails filled with troy palomalou head rocks, lol. It just depends on how much you want to spend. Maintenance costs were extremely low, and first tune up wasn't for 25k miles, really! Loved the little bike which was great for me, and that is why I have a problem with the "first performance enduro bike from Japanese companies" statement. The correct term would be "First really, really expensive performance enduro type bike from Japanese companies!". I say that, because I obviously got plenty of performance from the WR, and never a single problem with over 7000 miles of the roughest trail riding you could imagine. Then I sold it for only two grand less than I bought it for.
Thanks for the review though, but I feel you were talking up the Honda a little much. Truth be said, I am pretty sure with being lighter and having 20 more HP, the Husky would ride circles around the Honda. Currently, I am eyeing the 701.
Did you end up getting the 701?
Honda, please bring back the XR650R in a 50 state street legal not neutered version. The big red pig.
I really enjoyed the comparison. Plus you have the opinions of a heavier rider (which is what I am). Great video.
I want to see the SWM RS 500 and Beta 500 RR compared to the Honda CRF 450L
To me it seems these two bikes do serve two different purposes. While both are high performance off road bikes, the Honda skews more toward dual sport, with the various dampened chassis parts, a quieter ride, less vibration and probably the biggest thing is a metal subframe suitable for carrying stuff. The KTM/Husqvarna skews more toward dirt, with higher power output, more ground clearance, and lighter weight (with a plastic subframe).
I applaud Honda for bringing this bike to the market. It fills an unmet need - of mine! I plan on getting one soon for dual sport missions. It will fill a gap in the stable with the Beta 300 for woods, the BMW 1200 for long range, and the Montesa 4RT for trials!
Eric Pan , how do you like your Honda and Beta?
Amazing review guys thanks a lot. I’m even more stuck than I was before hahaha
Give me the red Honda plus the $900 to make the mods I like (proper handguards, suspension upgrades and good foot pegs), at the end, I will end up having a super reliable dual purpose bike, these bikes are built to make long travels so reliability is a major factor here, dependability is something were Honda wins!!!
Is it wheel balance on the road or engine? Balancing the wheels makes a massive difference on the road!
Damn you Honda. You make a bike I want.....no, NEED. But can't afford.
What about Suzuki's DRZ400?
Nice to see Honda do something but so over priced. A new DRZ 400 (been around 18 years) can be cheaply modified and out do the Honda for thousands less.
I can see what type of person would buy this but
for anyone who likes to do some real dirt biking and still be street legal I feel Beta is the best option right now. Even more dirt ready than the detuned KTM & Husky D.S's.
Beta's have been getting better and better and there sales are growing as a result.
I own both these bikes, to say the husky has better suspension is ludicrous. The Honda kills my husky in suspension and fit and finish. Intial on throttle is rough due to the extreme lean tuning on the bike. No one discusses that honda is held to tighter requirements due to producing cars in CA and NY. That said both bikes need tuning and a pipe to solve fueling on both. I run Vortex on the Husky and will do the same on the honda, this paired with exhaust and we will see how they compare at that point.
Suspension comments i find hard to believe
No, I heard you can't change anything with a remap. Check first
Jimpassarotri you cannot modify the stock ECU. That’s why people are using Vortex ECU instead. However you can also buy the stock 450x ECU and flash it with HRC tuner
Peter Marshall oh absolutely, it’s corked up as hell! But frankly the ktm is pretty bad also
Six Sigma Reviews my 18 501 runs flawlessly stock. I’m an aggressive rider but I haven’t felt the need to uncork it yet. Eventually I will.
Husqvarna FE 501 S: 510.4 cc, 239 lbs (108.4 kg)
Honda CRF450RL: 449.0 cc, 291 lbs (132 kg)
Nope... Honda does not have a good entry. I am sorry for you because you think it is 😥 weighs almost as much as KTM 690/Husqvarna 701. Better comparison would be to those bikes since it is almost in the same weight category. But, the KTM 690 and Husqvarna 701 are 241 CC larger; so ultimately it would lose that battle as well.
Love how you compare the dry weight of the Husky to the wet weight of the Honda.
Once you lose the Honda stock muffler and all the emissions the weight difference is about 20 pounds.
Everyone knows Husky’s live in the shop and the shed while waiting for parts and paychecks.
Meanwhile the Honda will be slinging that extra 20 pounds around everywhere all-day everyday for years with no issues whatsoever.
I'm not sure if you noticed, and i don't want to creep you out but there was a red van following you in your rear vision mirror the whole ride
tosgem that was the van he drove to the dealer
That’s just the free candy van. It’s cool...
UhYeahWhateverDude hell yeah... strangers have the best candy
I've ridden red for 25 years..
82 xr 80
89 xr 250
86 xr 600
99 xr 600
07 xr 650 l
Currently a plated 01 xr 400 an I can hang with the best on it...honda has never let me down!
ill stick with my ktm 690 .... im not shelling out basically 11.5 k for any 450, Plus I no longer live in Az , I need the range to get somewhere decent to ride, so all my bikes have bigger tanks so theres another $500
Can also afford to put miles on the thing without constant wrenching and its just getting good and broken in about the time the honda needs a new motor.
whats odd about the "estimate " of engine life is that my wr250r has gone 51K without anything other than a fuel pump and plugs, fantastic compression oil changed @ 1k intervals hauling my fat arse everywhere
Yup..paid less for my husky 701!!!
@@sparkyobrian6417 they've been putting the same kind of ultra light, high maintenance, ragged edge motors in dirt bikes for years. That's why everyone who just wants to ride and have fun wants a two stroke now. The two strokes are lower maintenance and cheaper to operate. The WR250R motor wasn't based on a dirt motor at all. It weighs more than one and makes 7 or 8 less horsepower, but so what! You can actually use the darn thing.
Yes, I like these type of reviews. 👍🏽
Last year the KTM and Blue KTM were the only plated enduros? What about the Beta, I know they is In The states. And in some states I believe the wr450 is road legal like it is from the shops in many other countries, where I live the wr400 and450 has always been optional street legal from the shop since the first WR400. There is also the French offering in the Sherco 45.
Now that I have corrected the untruths it's great that a 2nd Japanese manufacturer has made a street legal dirt bike, shot Honda the CRF450X is street legal in most countries. So really thanks Honda for making a Japanese street legal dirt bike with a 6speed box like the European bikes! In the CRF450L...
Oh and a crush hub is something never been done in the dial sport market... Excuse me it used to be the standard, all the old XRS the Dr . I'm not sure I can make it to the end instead of telling us the good point you deleted the history of dual sports and decided that the CRF is the first Japanese dual sport every made! I expect more from a company that has supported the dual sport community for so long shot my 1986 Xlr250r came with a stock cush hub
why did you guys spend so much time talking about the license and tail light assembly?!?! no one keeps that shit. it's just there to pass DOT. then we mount a flush license mount and LED taillight. and talking about vibrations? LOL it's a thumper. it's gonna vibrate.
Exactly! These bikes are for ripping! Who cares about petty stuff we rip off anyways when we hit the dirt.
Don’t worry man us big boys always bottom out the suspension 🤘🤘
The Honda is prettier, then again all I’ve ever owned were red bikes.
Wow.. I bought a brand new cbr1000rr in 2006 for a couple grand cheaper than these dual sports.. crazy how much bikes have went up in cost..
My dream, that will never be reality, is a counterbalanced 2 stroke dual sport, basically a modern DT1. Alas, we are not allowed to have that much fun. :)
The KTM product is far more dirt focused, but the Honda offers broader capability. With a little suspension work and exhaust tuning/crap removal, the Honda is about the closest thing to a do it all dual sport available. Don't let the maintenance interval scare you either. Changing 1.5 quarts of oil once in awhile is no big deal. Stay up on air filter maintenance and the valves wear a long time. I have a '10 slant engine Husaberg FE450, after the initial bed in, the valves have not moved in 9 years. Smoked my 450 by the DMV and it wears a plate. It is a great trail connecting bike, but as a real dirt bike, it sucks on the street. That is just how it is. I have a street bike (FZ1) for street riding.
Having a plate is great on the epic rides though. Trailer your dual sport to a place like Gunnison CO, unload it and ride the bike while there, load it when done and drive home. Awesome stuff there!
I was gonna say look at the Beta's but you beat me to it, the Beta 500 is the best IMO, best o both worlds
I'd like to see a comparison of the Husqvarna FE350 and the Honda CRF450L.
But thanks for doing this comparison.
DRZ400: "What, am I? Chopped Liva?"
So I want a CRF450L Rally
Been a few years since I visited Coco’s Corner in Baja . . . at 67 years old, the Honda’s saying my old bones just may have one more go at ‘er!
Great review and not bias based on power or brand which is refreshing. I think you are missing a key component to dualsport or light adventure which is cruising speed vs rpm. I definitely would like to know where these stack up at street and highway speed (45/65) in that regard. Can’t wait to see the light adv build vids. Nice work.
I read somewhere that the Honda was doing 6300 RPM at 65 mph. That sounds a little high to be comfortable and get good fuel economy but I guess with the dampened parts you wouldn't feel the vibes maybe, I've seen dyno runs where the Honda has about a 10,200 RPM rev limiter that was good for just under 90 MPH. It has a six speed trans so it seems geared pretty low overall to me. My DR650 will barely to 6,500 RPM and it will do right at 100 MPH with only a five speed gearbox.
How are we suppose to know if it’s an early morning or not?
You forgot to talk about the weight which the Husky wins by a landslide and at the 150 to 200 mile mark or tight gnarly trails is a wanted thing. Other than that nice review.
I know what you really meant but you said "plated from the factory" obviously that is incorrect ..."platABLE from the factory" would be one right way to say it
The Beta dualsports were available last year too, not just the ktm and Husky
Dont you get the kawasaki klr 650? What about the suzuki drz 400?? Those are road legal dual sport bikes here in australia and both were produced before the crf450l
Always kind of strange to hear first street legal dual sport Honda.
Here in The Netherlands you have all the brands a while now Honda, Yamaha, KTM, Suzuki, Kawaski and huscvarna.
My WR450F has done 6.000 miles.
Honda isn't really popular here since its low on power and high on weight.
I've never noticed the vibrations on the 501, but I mean moaning about vibrations on an enduro/ dual sport; you'd expect it to have vibrations.
C,mon.......I put 150 miles on my bike in the Desert when I go out. 80 miles isn't going to cut it. I was a Honda Man, but this bike is for wanna-be's. Get a KTM/Husky and enjoy all the easy aftermarket upgrades that are already out there and make these Killer Off-Roaders. Buy a left over DR-Z if you are a trail bike putz.....or pay too much for the Pig in Lipstick that is the Honda 450. No amount of money will get you to the weight and power of the Austrians.
Both bikes have pathetic fuel tank size. Best to have a spare gas canister.
I appreciate the reviews. I think you should have thrown them on the scales though.
Really enjoyed your review, I thought it was very fair and very accurate. What did you guys think about the seats? They look very thin for a long ride.
I’l keep my bush pig thank you.....
I see some places that states the HP of the 450 is 25. Seems low but one page says it's actually in the mod 40s. I didn't easily find anything on the 501 so I looked at the KTM 500 EXC (almost same engine?) and that's about 58. Sounds like the 501 is likely quite a bit more powerful. I'm about 210lbs so HP would make a difference. I ride a slightly modded DR650 and that's gotta be putting out 50+ HP but @330lbs, either of these would be like a bicycle in the woods for weight.
How are these over $10k but the T700 is less than $10k.
Thanks for this video guys. You are the first to do a comparison video with the Honda. Seems to me the Honda will make a much better base for a lightweight adventure bike. It's for this reason alone that I think it will sell better than the European performance dual sports offerings. It's going to be hugely popular.
BETA not one mention of BETA 500RR? Thanks for the comparison but could you please include the Beta and Yamaha.
Being a US based company, a Yamaha 450 won't be included because they are not a dual sport. Although, a Beta 500RR-S would make an excellent showing.
There's no factory street legal Yamaha in the 450 class to compare. Both these bikes stomp the shit outta the wr250. The Beta 390, 430 and 500 are all fantastic motorcycles.
No mention of the Beta because the video is a comparison between the Honda and Husky!!!! If you want to see Beta's mentioned click on videos with Beta in the title, not Honda and Husqvarna.
@@micaKTM1290 The comment is more speaking on why haven't RM released a video on the Beta when it's been out for a while. Does it not deserve the recognition and product support from this excellent company? Your title comment is very valid.
Probably because this video catered more to the US market.