Late Kick Live Ep 523: CFB 2024 Unknowns | Dabo Legacy Debate | Big12 Over Big Ten | Mon Title Games
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- Late Kick Live Ep 523 features Josh Pate discussing the biggest questions in College Football this season. Bold Prediction season continues as we look at what you’re willing to put your money on this fall. We also dive into the case of Dabo Swinney’s legacy and whether Clemson getting back to the national title level they once were at will determine how he is remembered. Next we dive into unpopular CFB takes like the Big12 being better than the Big Ten, neutral site season openers being less than ideal, and Monday national title games being good for the sport. Be sure to let us know what you think, SUBSCRIBE to the channel, and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Losing two five star recruits means you’re doing fine usc fans 😂😂
16:46
Not only was Terence Edwards the last guy to go over 1,000 yards, he is the ONLY UGA player to accomplish this feat in the program's history.
This is the first year I didnt take an *offseason* 🤫 and Josh has gotten me through it. Love this show.
Greg McElroy and JD Pickel both kind of drive me nuts. The only other great all year round guy is Joel Klatt.
Thanks for being real Josh
i like JD. can’t stand anyone else at on3 though
Man, I forgot how much I loved watching Josh and the way he covers this crazy sport😂🙌🏼! Can’t wait for this season!!
I give props to Dabo for giving a giant middle finger to the portal era of CFB. I freaking hate what it has done to this sport.
Portal isn't that bad man. Nil is way worse and nil with the portal makes it even worse
@Genslap85 Well I meant the portal/NIL era which is like a paradigm shift for the sport.
The nil/portal is all attorney generated so hard to expect otherwise. At this point, it will take an act of Congress to change anything, which is a scary thought.
Dabo and Clemson may have fallen off a little bit in recent years but overall he has the best legacy out of all the current active cfb coaches. He went to 4 out of 5 Natties and wouldve been 5 out of 5 if not for running into Bama in 2017. He won 2 of those Natties against strong healthy Bama teams and lost the other 2 against a strong Bama team and that legendary LSU team. Im a Bama fan saying this too. Josh makes a good point too. He did it his own way. He didnt have to steal Sabans blueprint like a certain other coach.
I've watched Clemson football since like 2006 when I was ten years old and at the games sitting in the bleachers playing my Gameboy Advance, but yeah Dabo is 1000% the best active coach right now in terms of accomplishment at the program he's at. Nobody but Dabo could have turned Clemson into what it is. That being said, his transfer portal and NIL position is actively handicapping his team, his program, and is hurting his legacy at least a little bit.
Who's the copycat you are referring to BTW? Kirby Smart? Oof. I tend to agree.
@Black_Caucus Idk if that "hurts" his legacy though because I think that part of his legacy is cemented and can't be taken away from him but what it does is it doesn't allow him to build upon his legacy and add to it and become even greater if that makes sense. Like as a Bama fan I'm always going to remember Dabo as someone who was at least at one point a damn good coach and at near the pinnacle of the sport going toe to toe with us but maybe just couldn't adapt as the game changed or refused to adapt.
Learning how to do it right from your mentor doesn't make you a thief! But to keep to the point, Dabo deserves mad respect!
As a UGA fan ,I realize that DABO is the greatest active coach in the game today
Naw, Coach Prime by far has the best legacy. Four wins after a one win season. Plus, have you seen them shades?? Dabo ain’t got that drip.
College football is the greatest sport on earth. Can we please get a new design of the championship trophy. It looks like an empty ice cream cone. Dreadful.
Heisman , Stanley, Lombardi all stunning.
I strongly believe that when you do the right thing, what you truly know in your heart to be the most unselfish choice, the rest will sort itself out. I believe Dabo will be rewarded for his faith in God and focus on building a great culture at Clemson. The wins will come back we just had a little transitional rough patch
SHOW 4 OF ASKING FOR TIME STAMPS
Keep fighting the good fight 👍
Just wait until he post the topics separately if it means that much to you lol
@@Ducks4Life91 he doesn’t post every segment of the show in those clips I’m pretty sure.. s’co ducks 🦆
I think Cali produces solid dline talent. They just can’t keep Oregon and other schools from taking them. Aydin breeland for example. 300+ big body that didn’t even consider usc over Oregon.
UNike has very deep pockets too. SUC does as well, but they haven't been relevant like UNike for the last 20 years.
@@jetli24 it’s so normal and intellectually incorrect to assume the reason Oregon doesn’t legitimately get recruits on campus without money.
USC isn’t poor they just aren’t Better than uo at defense. Oregon and its coaches attention to defense means they’re more appealing to defensive recruits
@agent_JorDi did you even read what I wrote? UNike has deep pockets as does SUC. Both schools draw in players without spending money, but NIL has made it that good players are paid to visit campuses.
You have your head buried in sand if you think otherwise.
Let’s not forget that Dan Lanning is a defensive minded coach that led the best defense in the nation to a title in 2021 so of course defensive kids on the west coast gone want to play for him
having both out of conference neutral site games along with home & home games in week 1 is the perfect balance
Dabo is developing a sales pitch for the ages...
GUARANTEED 4 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT AND NO ONE FROM THE OUTSIDE WILL TAKE YOUR SPOT.
For parents, this is important.
Nobody cares. Kids want money and their parents want money.
I think Dabo will ultimately do what it takes to win, although it takes him a little longer to fully embrace these changes in the game
Bad take on Oklahoma State. They go in and compete in Big 10 at a Penn State level immediately. Not saying they’re Oregon, Ohio State or Michigan. They just win too much to be a Purdue, Maryland or Michigan State.
Dabo is a great coach. I beliefe he'll regain status and improve his recruiting when revenue sharing is implemented and the current NIL model is reined in.
The current NIL model will not be reigned in… Collectives are here to stay, and the NCAA already announced that athletes cannot have their access limited to the transfer portal (due to the high courts rulings that it is unlawful to hinder an athlete’s right to change schools because it impedes their ability to increase their NIL value).
Dabo will not return to the mountain top unless he hops off his high horse first, then evolves like everyone else.
The current NIL model will be reined in once congress acts, and even then what they decide is a crapshoot.
I’m not holding my breath.
JK on the Big 12 gave you props!!!
Contrary to popular belief, the recent National Championship teams define the WR position as the least difference-maker position in football.
College football is better when Clemson runs the ACC. As a fan of a non-ACC team, Miami and FSU are known for notoriously bad fanbases. Clemson’s fanbase is very classy and rarely throws shade. Also, Clemson is the program of elite quarterbacks and an explosive defense. Georgia’s big and fast up front, but Clemson’s best teams had an elite back level.
lol have you ever been at a Clemson game? Like every program outside of Miami. There’s good and a lot of bad. Miami is 100% awful.
I havent been to 95% of Power 4 stadiums, im just basing fanbase quality off of what I see online. Not super accurate but a Clemson fan has never pissed me off
@@RadicallyOptimistic What fanbase are you from because it must be notoriously bad since you pissed me off. 🤣😂
You mean Iowa would be favoured over KState and Utah?
Neutral site games shouldn’t be the norm, but it is what happens for bowl games and that works.
I literally hollered BULLCRAP when Josh said Iowa would be favored to win the Big 12 every year.
He was so wrong for that
He's right, people just don't like hearing it
Josh would say that because Iowa has consistently beating his preferred team, ISU. Unfortunately, that ignores the fact that ISU has been midpack or worse lately iirc.
Iowa would be in the discussion, but they are not out in front even as much as ou/ut. Even ou/ut haven’t been like tOSU, Michigan, Georgia, Bama, …
@johnlee7085 You may not want to hear this, but Iowa would absolutely be favored to win that conference. He's not saying that because of ISU, he's saying that because it's factual.
@@wolverinesfan9021 you can’t tell me that they would beat ok state, k state, or Utah
22:18 Mee-Maw was a BADDIE 😅
No mention of the ASU receiver who went to Florida???
Oregon at Michigan in 2007....Ducks won 39-7
Dennis Dixon was the reason
Outlier or norm?
That’s the question.
Exactly and the win in the shoe in 2021 Josh flat out lied 😂😂😂😂😂
JP: “The Big 12 is a short bus league but it’s fun to watch.” JK
I guess to me. It depends on what you mean by tarnished. I think everyone will think of dabo as a great coach. But there was a time when he was seen as potentially the replacement of Saban. Hearing that you were playing Clemson brought A LOT of fear. He was sky high. Now he has come down to earth. So I think in that since it was tarnished. He was seen as being nearly on par with the goat. Just needs more years under his belt and he will be on the same level. But now that the rules have changed (and maybe even a little before) he has fallen to one of the best. Still a great title. But also still tarnished. So I just think it depends on what you think of as tarnished. To me scandals more are a destroyer. That thing is rusted and unusable. Tarnish just means with a little work it could be again what it once was. So I would say yes. It is tarnished. Still a great product.... but not as pretty as what it once was.
27:54 Verified by Vegas or not, the idea of Iowa coming into the Big 12 and winning the conference this year is honestly funny (and highly unlikely). Last year, they lost to Penn State, Tennessee, and Michigan 31-0, 26-0, and 35-0 respectively. They lost their last two games by a combined 61-0. If Iowa beat a below average Iowa State team by 1 touchdown last year, they probably aren't beating Kansas State (or a bunch of other better teams).
The top of the Big 10 (Ohio St, Penn St, Oregon, USC, Michigan) is undoubtedly miles better than the top of the Big 12, but let's not pretend that the Big 10's middle of the pack is that much better than the Big 12's middle of the pack. The gap isn't that large.
IIRC, ISU did beat the purple kitties.
Disaster for Ewers would be a bit like kstate last season where what’s his name started the year throwing more picks, (difference) Texas loses. Completely agree though that it would never get far enough for the shorthorns not to make the playoffs this year.
Chargering is the new Clemsoning
Good luck Harbaugh. We know he can’t recruit so thank god he gets to draft 🤣
I kind of like the paper wadding after making a point. Keep it!
Needs a box or bin of some sort to pitch it into, but I guess that’s more of a roundball thing.
I'm not 90 years I know that the late Danny Ford did it turning Clemson College ( University)into Tier 1 team so there was recognition already there.
for one season?
@@LilBoiPeep69 it's doesn't matter because kids parents knew what Clemson University once was and the Standard of the program. So again, Clemson is not a Northwestern University or university where winning is almost impossible.
@@Bornjamerican65no. True that another Bama guy won a Natty at Clemson. But it was a flash in the pan.
Nobody considered them a tier 1 program and it's silly to argue the point. Tier one wasn't achieved by Dabo until 18.
BYU and Lavell Edwards won a Natty close behind Clemson and Ford. Never tier 1. Colorado and Bill McCartney did it a few years later. Never tier 1.
@@brianroyster7510 📠
BTW, Danny Ford is still alive....
Here's the list of people to beat Nick Saban in the natty:
Dabo x2
Kirby
Dabo is a legend
I would love to watch an interview with you and a coach or sports analyst while yall are fishing or something like that. Rather than just a sit down interview.
I do not have Twitter but I have a bold prediction
Carson Beck
Jaden Rashada
Quinn Ewers
Arch Manning
Dillon Gabriel
Nico Iamaleava
Noah Fifita
Dylan Raiola
& Jeremiah Smith
Will combine for 3 out of the next 3 heisman winners
Big12 over B1G comparison is just silly.
Rock Chalk
If you want to talk economics wouldn’t it be better to bolster the economy of small towns likes most college towns are? 🤔 all college games need to be at college stadiums.
I think college football is at its best when Georgia and bama are in good positions to win Go dawgs
That just makes it easy to report and predictable. Chaos is so much more entertaining.
It’s crazy to think that cali doesn’t produce the type of athletes as a few states in the south considering they dwarf the population of every state in the SEC except Texas
But it’s true
They used to for a short while. Florida by itself produces more great athletes now. And Georgia produces the most great athletes, relative to population size. Texas probably produces the most high level athletes in total numbers. I think Florida probably produces the most of the true highest level of athletes today, of any state, and produces a pretty large number of just high level athletes in general.
my thoughts on why the south has better talent..
•generally poorer population meaning kids are hungry to make something happen and ultimately work harder.
•there are more schools that care about football leading to competition being better/higher per capita.
theres a reason most high school football movies are southern based.. just a way of life.
@@HawgWyldFishing I think this is accurate asf, would make Chris Kyle proud
@HawgWyldFishing “Athletes” needs to be replaced with football players unless you are willing to discuss other sports. There are athletes in other sports.
Go Jackets🐝🐝🐝
Oregon went to the big house and whooped Michigans ass in 2007 Josh
A&M beats tu twice once in the regular season and once in the playoffs - Frisco TX
Can’t lie I think there’s only 5 locks in the odds for top 12
Justus Terry out too 😂
Go Dawgs! Sic Em!
Big 12 better than the big 10 is hilarious. The best team in the big 12 would be lucky to be 5th in the big 10. They would struggle to be top 3 in the ACC. That conference may be competitive but they are clearly the worst of the power 4
Georgia and Ohio state, Oregon and Alabama, and then either penn state or notre dame are locks, the other 7 ain’t making it
I can definitely see Utah making it
@Chinese_Chicken Anything is possible, but the odds are better that they don’t.
If CFB continues to move in a direction that doesn’t align with Dabo’s vision and values, what are the chances of him moving to the NFL??
I could see him pulling a Saban of some sort.
Dabo will never entertain an NFL job.
The problem with Dabo's legacy is that everything will lead to his wins,not hard to win at a team that won 6,7,8 games a year, but on the lesser side, the problem nobody will talk about is his decline is worse now because he and his principals,doesn't equate to wins,otherwise explain the OT win to Kentucky? What in the actual, you know the word, does Kentucky have in the same arena as the hyped and mostly overhyped Clemson team needed OT to beat a Kentucky team,who their rival Carolina, which I am a fan of,didn't need. Carolina beat Kentucky, and Clemson struggled with 2 of the good running backs in the country. Kentucky dominated 3 quarters of game time. Most of the Dabos losses happened earlier in his career when he was building, but a lot of those same losses have happened recently. Clemson hasn't had a 1000-yard receiver in 4 years and has 0 returning production or recruited players that can fill those shoes. It's just a brand getting plugged, and yet Miami and Florida State are growing outside their spectrum, and Dabo remains silent, stands on pride,and looks exactly like the 8-4 ,7-5 team they are. So yes, his legacy is tarnished if this continues. Why? The transfer portal didn't exist when he won a few games. Now it does, and his rivals and competitors are using it, and he refuses to use it. Dabos legacy hinges on 2 generational qbs,they'll never recruit in their existence and 4 wide receivers,that's it. Defensively, nobody has really matured at the next level and only been media hyped because of the brand. It makes 0 sense to hype Clemson, and yes, if this continues,Dabo and his legacy are in the toilet
You truly have no clue good lord!
Shout out from Dublin Georgia lol
Penn state goes 5-7
Tony the tigers cousin is no doubt Dabo in disguise. He wanted you to stroke his ego and man did you ever. Full disclosure, Im an OU fan who does not disagree with anything you said.
Mate really said Iowa would win the big 12 when they were barely winning the big 10 west 😂😂😂
Iowa is mid-pack and Big12 is a conference of midpack teams.
Tbs I’m not sure how you win anything of significance without an O.
ROLL TIDE
Boldest prediction: USC goes 9-0 in the BIG 10 and misses the playoffs
That is a 10.0. USC is not going 9-0. But if they do, they will definitely be in the playoff. They could have losses to LSU, ND and the Big 10 championship game. That would leave them at 10-3. No 10 win team from the power 2 will be left out of the playoff.
Dabo Swinney is a top tier coach, or at least he was up until that TikTok video.
Josh I have a problem. My girlfriend’s cousin is getting married. In Austin. On October 19th. And they both went to Texas. And we’re Aggies. I know your answer, but what is the solution here? I’m in love with cfb, so I will be watching the game regardless. I just want you to tell my girlfriend how big of a no no this is. Thanks in advance 🤝
Tell her I said it's a no-no too
I think of Bobby Bowden. Bobby Bowden was an incredible coach. But he stayed just a little too long. I think that the modern college football public saw that or the end of that and let it affect their opinion. Dabo Swinney may fall to the same problem.
Alabama>Georgia
Georgia>Bama without daddy saban😢
I mean..... he got 2 generational talents at qb.... and Venables carried them still on defense. Without those 2 pieces.... hes 9-4 head coach in the weak ACC. Thats why we mock him.
To mock Dabo is really a idiotic thing to do
So he recruited two generational qbs and hired a coordinator that had coach material? Sounds like what a great coach would do.....
Bold take: Tennessee faces Georgia 3 times in 24 (season, championship, play-off)
Josh tiger stadium is in Baton Rouge. Death Valley is in Clemson.
Death Valley is in California. But you tell yourself whatever you like. LSU at Tiger Stadium has a record of 439-154-18. Clemson at Memorial Stadium has a record of 340-104-7. Clemson has a 76% winning percentage at home in 444 games (not including the ties). LSU has a 74% winning percentage at home in 593 games (also not including ties). Numbers wise, you might be happy to claim a higher winning percentage. Until you think about who plays in the tougher conference, and that there's a 149-game difference... but that can be viewed by many as excuses. How about when you search the best home stadiums or the best home atmosphere... LSU & Penn St typically battle it out for the number 1 spot. So until Clemson can battle for the best or a better home atmosphere than LSU... LSU wins out (but then again, I'm absolutely 100% biased).
@@tremoore61 Clemson is the original Death Valley (not to mention the stadium is built IN a valley.🤷🏽♂️ LSU fans can’t come up with an original name bc that’s what a degree from LSU is worth. The weak ACC is a fair point until you think abt how that’s a relatively small portion of the school’s history, and Clemson largely plays the same teams as LSU as their in the same geographic region.
@BrockM368 I'm sure you thought that was a clever retort. Until you think about how Memorial Stadium was built in 1942, 10 years after 13 schools left the Southern Conference to create the SEC. So those same opponents aren't baked into Clemson's numbers. And speaking about what a degree from LSU is worth, it's a lot more than Clemson... how many people have Clemson made a "household names"? Compared to LSU... don't worry, take your time. LSU's Tiger Stadium was originally called Deaf Valley (personally, I thought that was a better and more suitable name... but who am I?). Your only argument is... you stole or honored (I don't know how you'll spin it) first. Well, we did it better. And talking about fans not being able to come up with an original name... do you know how Clemson got death valley??? Spoiler alert, Clemson didn't name it themselves. whereas the LSU FANS stole death valley after winning the heisman and BEATING Clemson to claim our first national title in the Sugar Bowl in 1959! Come on man... that's objectivity HILARIOUS and PETTY! It's what makes LSU GREAT, and college football GREAT! Who has a better story than that???
@@tremoore61 Did you go to LSU because your argument makes no sense. Clemson and LSU still played largely the same schools year in and year out even after the SEC was founded. Clemson would regularly play UGA, Tulane, GaTech, SC, Auburn etc. The value of a schools degree is not measured by the number of “household names” that went to that school, as you’re probably just thinking of athletes which definitely doesn’t reflect a schools degree. Clemson is far and away much better academically than LSU. Your argument is that because LSU is petty and too dumb to name their own stadium, they’re a great school
@@BrockM368 06' baby! You seem a little slow on this. The stadium went from Deaf Valley... to Death Valley after beating Clemson. Is that hard to understand?
It's funny how Clemson was busted for giving their players peds in their food and how quick the story came out, it was swept under the rug even faster... But I digress
Cuz that’s not what happened at all lol
@@JoBo0209 this happened in 2019.. I'm just saying, I remember reading about it. Like I stated, as soon as it was published, it was quickly swept under the rug
@@NorthFloridaBoi And I’m saying that you’re incorrect. Ik what you’re trying to refer to. You’re just wrong
@@JoBo0209 You need to go talk to the publications and tell them, not me. And If you know what I'm talking about, then obviously I'm right about something. You know I'm not making this up .. don't come for the messenger lol. Why don't you enlightened us with What really happened if you know. Cause I find it kind of funny that Dabo was on a verge of losing his job and then all of a sudden they became a powerhouse, and then a few years later they find out they have substances in their food for only the players. And after that publication came out, they haven't been the same ever since.
Yeah tĥe whole team and we still kicked Bamas ass by 28 lol.
Clemzon
Big 12 over B1G, I needed a good laugh. More like B1G over the SEC.
😂 That's equally as funny 😂
@@tremoore61 The SEC is second to the B1G in 9 out of 10 major metrics. You don't give the gold medal to the man who is best in only 1 out of 10 events! ROFLMAO!!!
@davidkreitzer4401 I hope all is well. What metrics or events are you calculating? Here in the States, the BIG 3 are all that matters. That being revenue generating sports, and most have a problem generating revenue in baseball. And the SEC dominates 2 out of the 3. You might watch and follow field hockey or something along those lines. Personally, that's not my cup of tea. My LSU Tigers just won a chip in gymnastics, I'm happy for them, but that's not what I follow. Even though the SEC is GOOD in women's gymnastics, winning 17 titles since 2000 if you include Oklahoma. I'm sure that matters to some. But there's no metric that measures success that has the B1G being better than the SEC in the big 3. Unless you like quantity over quality, and you want to add parasitic sports like rowing or something.
I think his legacy is already at least slightly tarnished by last season. Coaches that have a full- blown "retire whenever you feel like it" legacy don't have to take phone calls like the one he had to last year. As of now, I believe he'll be remembered as "the coach who turned Clemson into an elite program but fell off due to an inability to utilize NIL and the transfer portal."
Spending 10 minutes on Dabo was pathetic.
I’m not a Texas fan but I’m willing to bet big that they win it all
Do you honor bets cause I’ll take that bet if you gone pay up cause they definitely not winning it all
35:37 I made it 🫡, should be a 9.5
Notre dame not starting their season off in Dublin Ireland but fsu and GT are, is criminal
Nobody hates "USC out of the conference we just don't like these teams and conferences being hype up & overrated then sale out title town the has become since 1989 on the record (((🌳)))) We are not even sure that Michigan is a legit national champion ducking Georgia who deserved a bid to the 4 best teams to the bowl coalition title reign the Southeast conference has dominated with talent and earn recognition on the field not counting the 2 ACC teams that is apart of the South in these 2 conferences in the 35 years of titles making the South who we are in dominance in the Sunshine state rival and dabo playing under gene stallings title town team 🌿
You're right. GT defeating FSU would not be bold. It would be LUDICROUS!
Once again, you NEVER, EVER talk about the players that Norvell added to his team for the current season! 2024. All you ever talk about is FSU's lack of returning production and NOT who Norvell got to replace them. OTOH, you talk about Miami as if they assembled the greatest portal team in history.
Did you know that Norvell called his 2024 team the "strogest and fastest team he's ever had?"
You would if you did a little research. The only thing you told your viewers about FSU's team this year is what DJU did BEFORE he came to FSU. DJU is in the BEST situation he's ever had. He'll have two of the best QB coaches in CFB fitting the offense to his skill set. Look how they developed Jordan Travis from a QB who couldn't hit a barn with a football into a QB with the highest PFF rating in 2022.
DJU bwill have more talented weapons at his disposal than he ever had at Clemson or Oregon State.
The group of running backs this season are the best we've had since the days of Devonta Freeman, James Wilder Jr and Karlos Williams in 2013. The WR's are all track guys who can now stretch the field with a QB who can throw 70-yard dimes all game long.
I predict that DJU will have the best season he's ever had as a P5 QB in completion percentage, total yards, yards per attempt, # of 20+ yard completions, # of passing TD's and # of rushing TD's.
How about doing a REAL REVIEW of FSU's 2024 team instead of these half-hearted attempts?
Holy yap🤣
This is my bold prediction
Florida State will undo an injustice that happened to them last year and will make the 2024 playoffs will play Georgia in the National Title Game and will be the 2024 National Champions. Also, the defense will hold every opponent this year in the regular season to 25 points or less a game, and or they will be +25 in the turnover margin by the end of the regular season. 🏹🍢🏹🍢
lol 🐝🐝🐝
Bold predictions are supposed to be "if you were to bet your own money. "... how much are you willing to bet on that? Because if at all possible, I'd like to get in on that.
Bet they lose 4 games
Oregon went to Ohio state and whipped that azz
Bar of the night “Eugene Oregon, half way to Russia for these kids”
From a Miami fan, Dabo changed Clemson! They were not relevant prior to his arrival. He is a Hall of Famer
I do admit that Dabo changed Clemson. You can never take that away from him. Yet if he loves Clemson he either has to evolve or leave them. I admire his principles but he has them fighting with 1 arm tied behind their backs because of it
If was a recruiter in Cali I would be looking at those hard working big body Hawaiian like kids, they athletic, strong fast very disciplined, And culturally flexible.
B12 may be deeper with great coaches than B10🤷♂️
Big 12 has no top teams.
I’m not sure the bottom is necessarily better.
@@johnlee7085 true, still even outside just only dan lanning…even if u include ryan day i like the b12 coaching better overall🤷♂️
@@johnlee7085 Oklahoma St, Utah, and Kstate will be around the Top 10 this year. So not "no" top teams, but whoever is going undefeated or 1 loss in the Big XII is in the conversation. We'll find out.
@brianbookwalter6810
Maybe we have different definitions of top teams. “around the Top 10” seems to mean ranked but not top 10. Really good teams but not top teams.
Part of what comes into play also is just the rankings. There were ranked teams (jmu, SMU, …?) that weren’t even middle of the pack Big12 caliber. Rankings don’t prove a team is a top team. Just proves someone handed out a few too many crayons.
@dylandean5043
Definitely agree about b12 coaching.
Audio on point. Gotta get you a sun shade though. Looked like you were in pain squinting the whole time. 😅 Maybe you were. 😬 Great show!
Dabo did what Bowden did once upon a time for fsu. Go noles but major respect for dabo and Clemson
Sorry not the same. FSU had practically no accompaniments & a high school “erector set” stadium prior to Bowden. Clemson was still death valley prior to Dabo!
@@NOLES-wm3ly of course it’s not the exact same but dabo put Clemson on the map, similar to what Bowden did. Won 2 national championships , multiple conference championships, put dozens of guys in the league, solidified programs positioning in recruiting and post season talk. I’d say it’s more similar then it is different
Dabo and the portal seems similar to Coach Saban and nil. CS chose to walk away from coaching because he wasn’t interested in changing his core principles.
It’s also encouraging to hear you discuss Dabo. There are plenty of differences, but a lot of it also reminds me of Coach Leipold and what he’s doing at KU. Rock Chalk.
People somehow forget that Dabo has two Natty’s in the last 8 years…just remember boys and girls-Texas A&M has zero since WW2.
Hookem! 🤘🏽
Unpopular opinion: fsu will win max 6 games
Meemaw sure was a wise lady!
What I here you saying is that if Iowa State beats Iowa, they should be favored in all of their games the rest of the season. Bold prediction, the B12 goes 3-1 against Penn St, Iowa, Nebraska, and Illinois.
That is bold.
I think KU over UofI is the only game the big 12 will be favored in.
Iowa favored to win the big 12 is a bad take.
iowa is in the big ten…
@@LilBoiPeep69he knows. Did you watch the video?
@@LilBoiPeep69 Maybe watch the show?
Ya but... When's Pate gonna go on a 16-week cut?!?
AJ green must’ve slipped Josh’s mind. Do was an absolute star!
AJ didn't quite make it to 1000 yards - he got 963 in 2008, but that was because Massaquoi also got 920 that year - and Knowshon ran for 1400 - that offense was great - one of many years that Bobo's offense carried an underperforming defense (#53 scoring D in the country, #8 in the SEC).
Can't shake that SEC bias can you Josh. Alabama v Michigan at the Rose bowl last year. Everyone, even the 'bama players thought it would be an easy win. It wasn't.
At the top level any ream can beat the other on the day, whatever conference.
Sorta like “Any Given Saturday”?
You need to take another look at Georgia. They won’t be playing the schedule they have in past years. This could be a break or make year for Kirby.
Bama with Coach DeBoer, is coming into the new CFB with a new approach. Bama HAS found the modern day Saban. RTR!
Holy smokes this is by far the DUMBEST thing I’ve heard in the 19 years of my life. I’m an Olemiss fan so I don’t care for either but have respect for both. You are DELUSIONAL my friend
Make or break year? The man had a team that went back to back champs top of the sport in terms of draft picks over the tenure and even if he never wins again he won the school more than they have won in their history
Yeah, old Kirby on the hot seat for sure.
@@natf6747 they will be a team that is in the mix of competing for a Championship every year especially with the 12 team playoffs unless they fall off a cliff and post sub 500 records for 3-4 years consecutively then maybe it holds credence but otherwise nah I ain’t buying it
yeah you’re funny to think Georgia is gonna roll over and die. beat 4 ranked opponents last year 🤡
Dabos scheme is not elite, and clemson was built on the back of Brent Venebles defensive lines and Lbs, then got tallent on offense. Now Dabo refuses to adapt to NIL. if they do poorly this year he will end up on the hot seat if he continues to not use the portal🤷♂️
some would say Sabans early championship teams were built on the back of Kirbys defenses.. lol
coordinators are a part of the staff that head coaches put together. therefore Dabo gets the credit for Venebles successes. Dabo recruited the kids btw.
bad take
@@LilBoiPeep69 sure dabo gets credit of running a good program and making good hires…i disagree on this tho: when venebles does well itll show and take away from clemson- can dabo sustain clemson without BV- cuz the recruits and defense OU has and is bringing in rn looks alot like those old clemson defenses
@@LilBoiPeep69 sidenote… sabans secret was recruiting before NIL and now that everyone can do it he lost his biggest advantage….also now sec offenses are better and less 1 dimensional, better coaching and qb play in the sec now too
@@dylandean5043 so does saban lose credit because kirby or jimbo or any other coach under his tree has success elsewhere?
sometimes coaches coming together in the right circumstances is what makes the magic happen.
@@dylandean5043 his secret was recruiting? lol everyone recruited. also if you think that players werent paid or received benefits at every major school before NIL then you are crazy. its just if you got caught then you suffered the consequences.
Beat Bama 2 out of 4. Let's not brush over the semi in 2017 😅