Great video all. When you can pick up a pair of Endorphin Pro 3’s for £125 in the UK right now, £280 for this shoe seems utterly extortionate. That won’t stop it selling though.
I bought Pro 3's and got the email today about this shoe. I was originally disappointed but after watching your review I am happy I got the 3's instead.
Love Adidas Pro 3, would take it over any Saucony shoe i had so far any day of the week. For me much better than Endorphin Pro 3, and apparently the Endorphin Elite is awkward shoe. So yes, different people, different tastes, different experiences. Thanks for the review, good emphasis on some properties of Endorphin Elite I'm sure I would dislike.
Same experience. I really like the Endorphin Pro 3s up to the half marathon, but I find the carbon plate gets quite harsh beyond this distance, and I ended up having a real problem in the final 10k of Dorney Lake marathon last year, eventually jogging off the track to the bag check and swapping in to my More v3s for the final part of the race. Whereas I feel like I can run forever in the Adidas Pro 3s in total comfort!
@@nikargiropoulos9433 And at least for me, Adidas Pro 3 is pretty fast too. And Alphafly 1 also. I don't understand why people say these are "slow" shoes and for long distance only. I ran 4 km 20 sec faster than in Vaporfly. Surely it depends on the form on particular day, but i think these are not "slow" shoes. They are obviously not nimble, of course, but not slow either, I would say. Totally agree with you about Saucony Pro 3. The Pro 2 were disaster for me. These were 5 km running shoes tops for me. Nothing further than that. So punishing for my legs.
I got the Saucony Elite in my usual US size 9.5. $255 in Australia on sale a couple weeks back, which is around the same price as I could get a Metaspeed Sky with a discount code. Fits true to size. Nice and roomy in the toe box and midfoot so I think wide footed runners will enjoy it more than those with thin feet. No issues getting a lockdown. Upper might look unusual but it works. I actually found the midsole to be very similar to ZoomX. Very stable ride because of its wider base. I didn't feel any harshness in my toe areas from the plate. Only ran 13km for my first run in them and they felt very good. Definitely a slightly firmer ride than the Endorphin Pro 3. I rate the shoe. I'd recommend giving it a try if you can get it at a good discount.
Great video and views from all, thank you 👍 I have a pair on order for £252 so fingers crossed 🤞 My PB's at Half and Marathon distance came last Spring in the first version of the Metaspeed Sky. Had two pairs of the Pro 3 (running my past Marathon in one pair in September) and the Metaspeed Sky+ My shorter distance PB's are all in the Alphafly v1 (but hated them due to arch issues and only ran 39 miles in them). The Metaspeed Sky (v1) is possibly the most aggressive of those shoes and I am hoping that the Endorphin Elite will fit somewhere between the Sky's and Pro 3 in terms of comfort and performance. Will be my Marathon race day shoe for Copenhagen, if not then I will be giving the Sky+ a go as I probably should have done last autumn (Pro 3 is too soft especially in later miles when the going gets tough for me).
I'm an idiot. I didn't mean I'd run 11 miles in total. I meant that was the furthest in ONE GO I'd done at that point. Then I did near on 16 later. Obviously I've run a lot more miles than that in testing!
Love your reviews. I also like the Pro 3. I'll being doing Berlin and Chicago this year (2 weeks apart). Would you recommend the Pro 3 in both? Chicago will just be a relaxed run. Thanks
Great review, fellows! It all sounds as if the Elite is a tweaked/max-stack Endorphin Pro 1 & 2: more stack, similar foam density and similar punchy propulsion due to that density/firmness. That would be kind of ironic. Do you think they are similar in performance?
Endorphin Elite on sale in Europe.. I find the midsole is Adidas adios and the best for me. How does the Endorphin Elite HG midsole compare to the Adidas Pro 3 midsole? HG vs Lighstrike Pro ❓
I’m training in Endorphin Speeds as my daily trainer and looking at replacing my Next%2 for London. I am considering the Endorphin Elite but am worried about changing from Nike for races. I can get a pair for around £170 at the moment, do you think they’re worth it? My pbs are 1:16 for the half and 2:47 for the full but am trying to get to 2:45.
A ££ price higher than the $$ price. A first I think. Don’t think the FX rate has deteriorated recently. Saucony squeezing higher margins out of the UK market?
@@DannyWallisRuns ok, I don’t live in the US so I don’t know their state by state tax rules. However, this has always been the case in the past and any US price I’ve ever seen (I’m in the UK) would have been quoted on the same comparative basis. So it’s still unusual to see a higher ££ price.
I’d be interested in any of the testers thoughts on how the firmer foam may work for heavier runners? I’m 6’2” and weigh 210lbs and noticed the Pro 3 are too soft and get unstable with the amount of foam compression. Do you think heavier runners would unlock the benefits of this shoe or only the elite speed runners like mentioned in the video? (3:15 marathon pace)
Ah yeah sorry - I do that all the time. I've always worked in miles but my coach sometimes sets Kms so I kinda convert..I think it's Brits who are engrained in miles but needing to switch. Sorry!
Well if the vaporfly, alphafly, adios pro 3 and metaspeed sky had a 4 way....this would be their love child. I love Saucony but this just looks like a mashup of existing top performing race shoes. Still can't touch the vaporfly.
I don't know what saucony smoking but that pricing is beyond insane. They are not even top dog in the running shoe market and yet they are coming out with this ridiculous prices. I wouldn't even buy this shoe with 50% discount let alone full retail.
“Slotted plate” like that is some giant leap in tech, when 90% of the other brands have had a divided plate forever. Also, I guess THATS why endorphin Pros are stiff as a board and pretty much unusable (and they are unusable, watch race results not TH-cam reviews), as well as well as why they even had to release this Elite.
it's like how alphafly cannibalised the vaporfly or how the fast-r cannibalised the deviate elite, whats the point? they are ridiculously overpriced too
Sounds like Saucony's most divisive shoe to date. So not a marathon shoe 'for the masses'. Sounds like a shoe built for sub-elite marathoners or an unattached pro. Everyone else should look elsewhere. Oh boy Saucony, that's a PRETTY small target demo
I’m not done watching the video. I just want to say I love getting to hear so many perspectives from your team. Keep it up guys!
Thanks Chandler!
Thanks as always for the honest and unbiased reviews Runtesters. Guess I'll be sticking to my beloved Endorphin Pro 3!
Really appreciate the perspectives the crew gave. Very detailed and you came out it from different angles. Great job!
Thanks Michael!
Great video all. When you can pick up a pair of Endorphin Pro 3’s for £125 in the UK right now, £280 for this shoe seems utterly extortionate. That won’t stop it selling though.
I bought Pro 3's and got the email today about this shoe. I was originally disappointed but after watching your review I am happy I got the 3's instead.
Love Adidas Pro 3, would take it over any Saucony shoe i had so far any day of the week. For me much better than Endorphin Pro 3, and apparently the Endorphin Elite is awkward shoe. So yes, different people, different tastes, different experiences. Thanks for the review, good emphasis on some properties of Endorphin Elite I'm sure I would dislike.
Same experience. I really like the Endorphin Pro 3s up to the half marathon, but I find the carbon plate gets quite harsh beyond this distance, and I ended up having a real problem in the final 10k of Dorney Lake marathon last year, eventually jogging off the track to the bag check and swapping in to my More v3s for the final part of the race. Whereas I feel like I can run forever in the Adidas Pro 3s in total comfort!
@@nikargiropoulos9433 And at least for me, Adidas Pro 3 is pretty fast too. And Alphafly 1 also. I don't understand why people say these are "slow" shoes and for long distance only. I ran 4 km 20 sec faster than in Vaporfly. Surely it depends on the form on particular day, but i think these are not "slow" shoes. They are obviously not nimble, of course, but not slow either, I would say. Totally agree with you about Saucony Pro 3. The Pro 2 were disaster for me. These were 5 km running shoes tops for me. Nothing further than that. So punishing for my legs.
Thanks so much to everyone from Run Testers for their honest review!
Seems Saucony forgot to specify the time zone for the embargo. Great video.
I got the Saucony Elite in my usual US size 9.5. $255 in Australia on sale a couple weeks back, which is around the same price as I could get a Metaspeed Sky with a discount code. Fits true to size. Nice and roomy in the toe box and midfoot so I think wide footed runners will enjoy it more than those with thin feet. No issues getting a lockdown. Upper might look unusual but it works. I actually found the midsole to be very similar to ZoomX. Very stable ride because of its wider base. I didn't feel any harshness in my toe areas from the plate. Only ran 13km for my first run in them and they felt very good. Definitely a slightly firmer ride than the Endorphin Pro 3. I rate the shoe. I'd recommend giving it a try if you can get it at a good discount.
Great video and views from all, thank you 👍 I have a pair on order for £252 so fingers crossed 🤞
My PB's at Half and Marathon distance came last Spring in the first version of the Metaspeed Sky.
Had two pairs of the Pro 3 (running my past Marathon in one pair in September) and the Metaspeed Sky+
My shorter distance PB's are all in the Alphafly v1 (but hated them due to arch issues and only ran 39 miles in them). The Metaspeed Sky (v1) is possibly the most aggressive of those shoes and I am hoping that the Endorphin Elite will fit somewhere between the Sky's and Pro 3 in terms of comfort and performance.
Will be my Marathon race day shoe for Copenhagen, if not then I will be giving the Sky+ a go as I probably should have done last autumn (Pro 3 is too soft especially in later miles when the going gets tough for me).
That‘s a bit funny when Saucony is saying they made it more soft and more bouncier vs the Pro3
I'm an idiot. I didn't mean I'd run 11 miles in total. I meant that was the furthest in ONE GO I'd done at that point. Then I did near on 16 later. Obviously I've run a lot more miles than that in testing!
Amazing review RTs... Thank you.
There are hardly any discounts on any saucony premium running shoes in Canada. The value quotient at full price is simply indefensible.
Love your reviews. I also like the Pro 3. I'll being doing Berlin and Chicago this year (2 weeks apart). Would you recommend the Pro 3 in both? Chicago will just be a relaxed run. Thanks
I would. But other wise you could go for something harsher on the first and softer on the second?
Very honest review, save me lots of money. As I am not "elite" enough, so give this one a pass
Y'all got to lift the embargo early from that UK time zone, huh? 😂
Feels like cheating
Great review, fellows!
It all sounds as if the Elite is a tweaked/max-stack Endorphin Pro 1 & 2: more stack, similar foam density and similar punchy propulsion due to that density/firmness. That would be kind of ironic. Do you think they are similar in performance?
Thanks for the detailed thoughts. Sounds like this is not the Messiah Shoe that has come to finally beat the Nike's. I' ll pass on this one.
Endorphin Elite on sale in Europe.. I find the midsole is Adidas adios and the best for me. How does the Endorphin Elite HG midsole compare to the Adidas Pro 3 midsole? HG vs Lighstrike Pro ❓
Doesn't sound like it's worth £280, think I'll stick to me Pro 3, Vaporfly or Alphafly for marathons this year
I’m training in Endorphin Speeds as my daily trainer and looking at replacing my Next%2 for London.
I am considering the Endorphin Elite but am worried about changing from Nike for races.
I can get a pair for around £170 at the moment, do you think they’re worth it? My pbs are 1:16 for the half and 2:47 for the full but am trying to get to 2:45.
A ££ price higher than the $$ price. A first I think. Don’t think the FX rate has deteriorated recently. Saucony squeezing higher margins out of the UK market?
True, but dollar price is pre tax
@@DannyWallisRuns which US taxes should be added on top? I’ve just looked at Running Warehouse and their website quoted $274.95.
@@josephgonzalez_ when you go to check out, state tax is added dependent on where you are
@@DannyWallisRuns ok, I don’t live in the US so I don’t know their state by state tax rules. However, this has always been the case in the past and any US price I’ve ever seen (I’m in the UK) would have been quoted on the same comparative basis. So it’s still unusual to see a higher ££ price.
@@josephgonzalez_ yeah I know, I completely agree. Just thought I’d let you know it’s not flat out cheaper in the US :)
Vs Wave Rebellion Pro please.....
The Mizuno WRP just landed, so will be a while but we will compare!
I’d be interested in any of the testers thoughts on how the firmer foam may work for heavier runners?
I’m 6’2” and weigh 210lbs and noticed the Pro 3 are too soft and get unstable with the amount of foam compression. Do you think heavier runners would unlock the benefits of this shoe or only the elite speed runners like mentioned in the video? (3:15 marathon pace)
Dear all. Question in regards to Triathlon competition. How will you feel running in this shoes without socks? thank you!
Alphafly, adios pro 3 > endorphin elite
Maybe it's cause I'm Canadian, but why do y'all mix km and miles together? "5k at 6:15 mile pace." Really making me do some thinking here. Haha
Ah yeah sorry - I do that all the time. I've always worked in miles but my coach sometimes sets Kms so I kinda convert..I think it's Brits who are engrained in miles but needing to switch. Sorry!
The UK has never quite decided on which to use.
I too have lots of fiddly parts. 🤣. Technical term?
Well if the vaporfly, alphafly, adios pro 3 and metaspeed sky had a 4 way....this would be their love child. I love Saucony but this just looks like a mashup of existing top performing race shoes. Still can't touch the vaporfly.
I don't know what saucony smoking but that pricing is beyond insane. They are not even top dog in the running shoe market and yet they are coming out with this ridiculous prices. I wouldn't even buy this shoe with 50% discount let alone full retail.
Same here I may not even consider it at £150, so many cheaper options around which are not inferior
It's about 25 grams heavier than the vaporfly and looks absolutely shit too.
“Slotted plate” like that is some giant leap in tech, when 90% of the other brands have had a divided plate forever.
Also, I guess THATS why endorphin Pros are stiff as a board and pretty much unusable (and they are unusable, watch race results not TH-cam reviews), as well as well as why they even had to release this Elite.
I love the endorphin pro 1
They might inhaled too much Nike vaporfly for that kind of pricing it's just not competitive
Might be a great shoe, but what's the point? It's cannibalizing the Pro 3, and at $275 US it's ridiculously overpriced. I don't get it.
it's like how alphafly cannibalised the vaporfly or how the fast-r cannibalised the deviate elite, whats the point? they are ridiculously overpriced too
I'd say the comparison to vapor/alpha pairing is a fair one. It's a different shoe.
Completely different shoe. Feels absolutely nothing alike. It’s cannibalising nothing
@@randenlewis152 not the same shoe but I get it
@@michaeltran2743 that's my point
Companies are charging more to remove more, such times we are in 😅
$150 Pro3s?!?…buried the lede there.
Some great deals around on those!
There's is a hole in the shoe😂
Not for me and my bunions then 😂
Sounds like Saucony's most divisive shoe to date. So not a marathon shoe 'for the masses'. Sounds like a shoe built for sub-elite marathoners or an unattached pro. Everyone else should look elsewhere. Oh boy Saucony, that's a PRETTY small target demo
At this price i want gold in the shoes
This guy literally doesn't like anything.
Can someone please go and tell that lady runner to stop continuously repeating "umm, umm, umm, umm, umm, umm" ?
Me? Ah, I'll try to remember that next time. It's hard to see your own tics!
1st
No one cares
A very high drop.