Medical Misinformation | I Don't Know About That with Jim Jefferies #75

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  • @kcc-karenschroniccorner9432
    @kcc-karenschroniccorner9432 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great episode. I’m doing my PhD on the use of plain language summaries as a way to communicate health research to a lay, non-expert audience because I saw so much misinformation in Facebook groups for people with chronic illness.

    • @liamnevilleviolist1809
      @liamnevilleviolist1809 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope your PhD is going well. I think plain language is very important. I'm a teacher/tutor and quite recently I was teaching a 7-yr-old boy violin and when he played many wrong notes over and over he got frustrated but suddenly spoke up to his mother (who was sitting in on the class) and said "Mum, I'm getting my anxiety attack!". He then ran over to her and she gave him his water bottle and gave him a hug and a moment to breathe....
      I just thought that *that* was a little bit too much to be coming out of a 7-yr-old's mouth. He'd obviously heard the word elsewhere... and it's also completely normal to be frustrated with a task that you can't quite achieve. Literally everyone goes through these times. To call it "anxiety" though, just straight off the bat. I wasn't completely comfortable with that.
      Another instance was (just as a little experiment for myself): I put my coffee cup on a table during a lesson and asked my (9-yr-old) student if that was okay and they said 'yeah that's fine'. I then put my cup on the very edge of the table and said "what about if I leave it here?" and they replied, "UGH! NO! That's giving me anxiety, I wont play if you leave it there the whole time!!!".
      I moved it back of course.
      I think young children are using this word a little too much and at points when it's totally unnecessary. The world is changing and I'm not liking it.

  • @shadowthomas6793
    @shadowthomas6793 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Ahh now my addiction is complete. 3am a bunch of weed and my favorite people on earth. Jack, Jim, and Kelly. Even Forrest. Try to smile bro it's not illegal.

  • @BoldRam
    @BoldRam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    My Tuesday evening addiction in New Zealand. Hackett. Blackheart and friends. Coffee, Bong and tissues ready to pull.

    • @harrypothead42024
      @harrypothead42024 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't know what you're talkin about it all but I support bong happiness.

    • @rodneyp9590
      @rodneyp9590 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I dig the chubby "friend"

    • @peterscully8562
      @peterscully8562 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chur bro wat part of the country are you in, im in Invercargill just chopped up bout to watch this and seen your comment

    • @JBond-zf4dj
      @JBond-zf4dj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Omg... Canadian here...I watched your NZ Taskmaster and absolutely loved it! I want more NZ!! The second season, I think they were all potheads. 😂 And most of them from the first season. I feel like we're all cousins from another continent.

    • @BoldRam
      @BoldRam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JBond-zf4dj Hahaha, Kia-ora my Canuk cuzzy!! It's easier to count the kiwis who aren't potheads. NZ Taskmaster is excellent isn't it? I'm so happy they cast comedians who understand what it's all about!! Stay safe and well 🙏❤

  • @dash-x
    @dash-x 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve had the nettle rash. I grew up living my summers in England and was playing kick ball with the other kids. No one told me. Though I did learn that there’s a leaf near it that helps.
    I find it a bit unfair because I warned my English family who stayed with us in the states about the goats head prickers. They’re the worst!

  • @otakuman706
    @otakuman706 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You guys should add the link Jim first talks about, for tickets for the virtual event, to the description.
    I know some people are too lazy without it🤦‍♂️

    • @otakuman706
      @otakuman706 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wooo, they added that shit

  • @robertgrey1377
    @robertgrey1377 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Jim Jeffries and John oliver, both tackling misinformation this week!

    • @jordysco8724
      @jordysco8724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This such a cringe comment

    • @robertgrey1377
      @robertgrey1377 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jordysco8724 haha why’s that? I made an observation...

  • @thathabsfan1431
    @thathabsfan1431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I love this podcast so much, I like the new studio guys, I can't believe it's been 70+ episodes hopefully there will be many more!

    • @jaffar386
      @jaffar386 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      and if god loves us all equally, none of the next episodes will suck even a tiny fraction as bad.

  • @Salty_fenrir
    @Salty_fenrir 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I would love a cut of all of the intros to these podcasts. They get me everytime.
    Great content, hilarious and a ton of interesting info.

  • @AJ-ut8cz
    @AJ-ut8cz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I went to get checked out for a hernia and when I got the test results sent to me the specialist had written that my testicles were "unremarkable"
    And that hurt my feelings a bit.

  • @Peter_Trevor
    @Peter_Trevor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Jack’s transition is coming along nicely!

  • @jackiedeng9773
    @jackiedeng9773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you do an episode just for golf? Best golf story. Died laughing

  • @detdatho
    @detdatho 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I would like to see an episode on Money Laundering. As an AML employee it would be awesome to spread awareness of stuff like how young people are being used as money mules and stuff like that.

  • @oliveheadwhoa
    @oliveheadwhoa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This was a great episode! The guest was so personable and knowledgeable without being condescending.

    • @jaffar386
      @jaffar386 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i honestly dont have the time to come up with a better thing to say than i hate you.

  • @meat3412
    @meat3412 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The dog is so chill. How many edibles did you give it, Kelly? ;-)

  • @collieee2957
    @collieee2957 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Dominos is the worst pizza for me

  • @AJ-ut8cz
    @AJ-ut8cz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My entire family has always called it Jack in the crack.

  • @calebspiegel9078
    @calebspiegel9078 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That dog is the star of the show. let's get a 5th mic set up

  • @fatkidinwalla
    @fatkidinwalla 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I really enjoyed Kelly on this one. She had alot of interesting input and brought up some really good questions. Love you guys, thank you for this show

    • @sparkywatts3072
      @sparkywatts3072 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm always impressed by Kelly's intelligence

    • @jaffar386
      @jaffar386 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      were you all on some sorta hallucinogen? i couldnt even finish this

  • @jesus_walks_
    @jesus_walks_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The face Jack made when he finds out about the meat pies in the crust in Australia , is the same face we’ll make when there’s an announcement that there’s no more world hunger.

  • @domesticcamel
    @domesticcamel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great IDKAT episode.. But have to say a crime against humanity is "Legit" only getting 13 episodes. Well done Jim.

  • @CycleInLondon
    @CycleInLondon ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the best guests. Very good knowledge and as funny as Jim

  • @kellanaldous7092
    @kellanaldous7092 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh god I fucking hate it when I'm standing at a bookshelf and a toddler jumps out at me.

  • @jordanlatimer2101
    @jordanlatimer2101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm pretty happy for Jack standing up to Forrest! I've been listening to this Podcast since November and Jack has taken a lot of hits from Forrest haha Congratulations Jack! What a great Podcast! You guys have helped me and my transition from Ohio to San Diego, CA! I use to deliver for Fedex and listen to this show while delivering. Now I landed my dream job here in San Diego, where I can work from home and watch your TH-cam videos! Awesome Work!

  • @drmojo5439
    @drmojo5439 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "The freakonomics of medicine." Love it!

  • @garettjames6349
    @garettjames6349 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where was the Universal Healthcare chat Jim? Do that episode.

  • @ellebelle459
    @ellebelle459 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My first ever podcast I've ever even found. And Jim is so awesome! And my son is called Forrest , so awesome to hear someone else called Forrest (were in the UK)
    Looking forward to watching it and all the others you guys have done yay 😀 thanks

  • @AJ-ut8cz
    @AJ-ut8cz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm going to be in NYC for a day and a half, any suggestions on what to do while I'm there. I figured I'd ask my favorite comment section, because I've never left the southwest US and I don't know what to do while I'm there.

  • @embracethenoid9085
    @embracethenoid9085 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    On laughter being the best medicine, I was getting a wart cut out of my finger and I'm wincing. The doctor asks if that hurts, of course I said yeah, and he says, "that's strange I didn't feel a thing." I laughed and he went back to digging the root of that thing out.

  • @matttrafton2725
    @matttrafton2725 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    How about something on media misinformation. Their lies and lack of coverage on important events.

  • @v8holdentiger
    @v8holdentiger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Kiwis hate KFC? You’d struggle to find a Pacific Islander living in Australia that doesn’t love them some dirty bird lol

    • @robertgrey1377
      @robertgrey1377 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I call my regional supermarket the dirty bird lol. Giant eagle it’s called

    • @resolecca
      @resolecca 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I live in nz and this seemed pretty sus to me too

    • @price5647
      @price5647 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I pretty much grow on kfry it was fish n chips or kfc when we had take aways

  • @matttrafton2725
    @matttrafton2725 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Liking the dog. Still hating Forrest and his monotone voice. Like the antithesis of Jim.

  • @simonrodriguez3272
    @simonrodriguez3272 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love seeing your moist tour Sunday night in Jacksonville FL. Had a fucking blast.

  • @lameSHlT
    @lameSHlT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That dog was definitely dead for the first hour & ten minutes.

  • @stevedeans8773
    @stevedeans8773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Brilliant podcast! Love your work.

  • @teusvandermeij7287
    @teusvandermeij7287 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, that intro raised the bar!

    • @embracethenoid9085
      @embracethenoid9085 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hate you for making this joke. Not really, but that should never have been said by any person.

  • @rattfink9
    @rattfink9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for this one. Best episode yet!

  • @Rastebb
    @Rastebb 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Speaking of COPS, highly recommend the podcast "Running from COPS". It's about the show cops and they did a full blown study on it watching like 800 episodes. It's pretty crazy.

  • @TheDillberto
    @TheDillberto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    that couch should get a shout out being able to withstand the weight of 2 elephants

  • @taoismishity
    @taoismishity 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My (second) favourite podcast

  • @rodneyp9590
    @rodneyp9590 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm from the area the fudge slab came from. People are obsessed with fudge. Someone stole that on purpose and I guarantee every generation discovered it's past and said screw it.

  • @gbl8830
    @gbl8830 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally! The cozy sleep dog gets enough camera time

  • @kellanaldous7092
    @kellanaldous7092 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    How many people do you think that believe misinformation watch something like this are going to go "oh, i guess ive been wrong all along, i need to do my own research from now on!" Rather than "my worldview doesn't support this, must say something about liberal socialists rather than face my cognitive dissonance!" Im gonna say 0.

    • @resolecca
      @resolecca 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      FACTS 💯

    • @AmayzArt
      @AmayzArt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      fantastic

  • @EwokPanda
    @EwokPanda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Managed to have an entire conversation about the origin of "Freakonomics" without referencing the freaking best-selling book!

  • @tiagofigueiredo1992
    @tiagofigueiredo1992 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd like to participate on the live event, unfortunatelly it's during the week and I'm on GMT (2 a.m. here). Great iniciative nonetheless, good to know USD 2 go to charity, thinking of buying it just to support you guys. Keep it up!

  • @TooShots
    @TooShots 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cops was started to build up public image of police after rodney king was beaten. That's why the first episode was LAPD. Forgot to say, sick episode lol

  • @jannerantanen8743
    @jannerantanen8743 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You Jim have been a great inspiration with your wits for me during the last 15 years but when I hear your answer to what is a peer rewied study in this day and age I hit stop and write this comment..

    • @jannerantanen8743
      @jannerantanen8743 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I overstated because I'm drunk, it's around 9 years

  • @Rainbowgrrl
    @Rainbowgrrl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They just opened a Taco Bell in midland in perth Jim, and people lined up overnight for the opening of it! Piles of people were turned away because they were told there was no chance they’d be served before it closed. So much for it not lasting a minute here.

  • @madmickey78
    @madmickey78 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Great Reset? I don't know about that.

    • @keithknetge6908
      @keithknetge6908 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Look up the world economic forum

    • @madmickey78
      @madmickey78 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@keithknetge6908 I'm well aware of it...it just seems like very few others are prepared to acknowledge it and it's workings in our current situation.

  • @davincisghost9228
    @davincisghost9228 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Jimbo! I'm casting the definitive Red Dwarf movie. You have to play Lister! It"ll be HUGE baby!

  • @Mythodiir
    @Mythodiir 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only thing that can stop a bad guy with guns is a good guy with twice as many guns.

  • @corypostell4247
    @corypostell4247 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is for Jack. I've started at least 4 jobs with four Forest type of figures. I'll never retire and work 40-50 hrs a week. You got a good gig dude. Be grateful for what you have but don't take any shit homie. Five stars

    • @corypostell4247
      @corypostell4247 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      PS That's what you would call a Boston compliment lol

    • @hamdoggius
      @hamdoggius 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      All it takes is one moment of humiliation and the annoying prick act is over. It shouldn't be hard to outwit Forrest and make him look like an idiot. Half his brain isn't there. Yeah I'm an arsehole, but I know how to deal with other arseholes.
      P.S. this is what you call advice, take it or leave it. Keep up the good work Jack!

  • @gart9680
    @gart9680 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They eat more dog in China than South Korea. Far more. Also, in the UK, *Subway legally can't call their subs/rolls, bread.* Due to not meeting food standards & *Hershey's can't refer to their bars as being chocolate; only chocolate flavoured.* Same reason.

  • @Malavander
    @Malavander 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should do an ep on pseudoscience with Steve Novella over at the SGU podcast.

  • @northcountrybhoy
    @northcountrybhoy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    For the financial year 20/21 the uk generated £9.96 billion pounds in tobacco tax revenue.

  • @5kidmonty
    @5kidmonty 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ya'll are great!! best expert yet!! can't keep my eyes off the dog. better feature him more.

    • @skoll_2024
      @skoll_2024 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      100% The gang needs to find him a cushion.

  • @daredeviledoa
    @daredeviledoa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Taco bell opened in Perth a few weeks ago, I'll see how long it lasts

    • @jackbiddle9138
      @jackbiddle9138 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We have two in Brisbane and I think the Australian version is a slightly higher price point but better quality
      The avo is still from a jar not mashed fresh, but no mass food poisoning rumours
      That crunchwrap thing is so fucking good

  • @paulmundt3990
    @paulmundt3990 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Many journalists also report on self-published academic preprints, which have not yet undergone any kind of formal peer review, and are, until peer-reviewed, no more reliable than some idiot ranting on a blog. Dressing it up as a paper doesn't magically bestow any kind of merit upon the findings. This can be especially problematic, as often the initial claims and conclusions are made as fantastical as possible by new researchers and only later dialed back in when it's clear there's insufficient evidence to support them. It's as Jim says, the whole method of reporting on scientific findings needs an overhaul.

    • @buildfear9507
      @buildfear9507 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're right - from now on I'll take my medical advice from Paul Mundt on TH-cam comments.

  • @joesikic6531
    @joesikic6531 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hard to believe they didn't get the podcast joke straight away ✌

  • @honeybadgerwyrd
    @honeybadgerwyrd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They give you side effects but they do not take accountability when said side effects take over peoples Lives.

  • @otakuman706
    @otakuman706 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    FUCK YEAH CHEESY GORDITA CRUNCH FAM!
    That shit is my jam, the best thing they have.

  • @kanenkirstiebutler
    @kanenkirstiebutler 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    KFC is like cheating on your spouse. Seems great at the time but you regret it straight after

  • @jaredpiper5173
    @jaredpiper5173 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why didn't jack say "President Uranus, hehe?"
    President Pluto, psh.

  • @riparianlife97701
    @riparianlife97701 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Call the hospital ER nearest you. You know, the one you'd be taken to if you hit your head on something. Ask them if you should get vaccinated.

  • @mattfreeman8372
    @mattfreeman8372 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jim are you sober from the piss cause it's got me interested what time I book the perth show. It's either 7 or 10. If your drinking then I'm going the later show. Other wise sober there earlier one so I can then head out drinking.
    Ps. Jack your a legend, Kelly the show wouldn't be the same without you. Forrest you grumpy bloke, nar you're alright. Jim, your Jim. Love everything you do. From Matt, Kalbarri Western Australia

  • @bigChrisWithAtinyPeice
    @bigChrisWithAtinyPeice 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How's Australia doing without their guns?

  • @hamdoggius
    @hamdoggius 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great podcast! Made up for that garbage astrology episode. Cheers Jim!

  • @pqrstsma2011
    @pqrstsma2011 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    28:59 is Forrest trying to get a role as Dr Evil?

  • @lameSHlT
    @lameSHlT 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Freedom Day +1 in Sydney. A timely release.

    • @resolecca
      @resolecca 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No one cares

    • @keithknetge6908
      @keithknetge6908 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Freedom in sydney? Aren't they making "quarantine camps" for unvaccinated ?

  • @KYLEtheOKIE
    @KYLEtheOKIE 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Edward Bernase

  • @Matthew-ve7uv
    @Matthew-ve7uv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This guy thinks the FDA takes too long to approve medicines, AND is pro-medical advertising? I have a feeling this guy is paid by some of these pharmaceutical companies (which is why he gave a word of defense for propaganda). Now, to be clear, I am not saying that my feeling is correct -- just that Jim would be wise to not change his mind so quickly when faced with this one person's opinion. It's noble to change your mind when faced with new information; but be careful that the information is correct (which is an ironic point for this episode).

  • @nimrodcentury
    @nimrodcentury 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Scribd is said like scribed

  • @leach5494
    @leach5494 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    News channels should stop posting on Social media. Abakadabra: everything is bullshit on Social media.

  • @mtraven23
    @mtraven23 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    sounds like freakeconomics MD sounds like he's "money-balling" medicine.

  • @skoll_2024
    @skoll_2024 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How to murder an intro by…Jim. Or, Forest apparently…

  • @northcountrybhoy
    @northcountrybhoy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    did Forest say cunts or kinds at 29.07?

  • @5kidmonty
    @5kidmonty 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    yes, thank you for a bit of common sense!

  • @flnthrn2
    @flnthrn2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mycoxafloppin...... better known as Viagra.

  • @GurjinderSingh12390
    @GurjinderSingh12390 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    He doesn't know how to throw his endorsement in podcast... Just reading whatever 😂😂😂.

  • @Tony-td1dp
    @Tony-td1dp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Burger King is much maligned but The Whopper is the best fast food burger!! 🍔 Hands Down!!!

    • @PlayNiceFolks
      @PlayNiceFolks 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      *double Whopper

    • @sativarosegold3604
      @sativarosegold3604 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seriously? How bout fresh beef from Wendy's, thousand times better

  • @dustinborowski
    @dustinborowski 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    WHAT KIND OF DOG IS ARCHIE???

  • @kolobrzeg091
    @kolobrzeg091 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who’s dog is it ?

  • @ohio2wisco709
    @ohio2wisco709 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great studio...
    Looking good kelly...

  • @jaffar386
    @jaffar386 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    you could use the last set of encyclopedias to chronicle what the four of you don't know; it would be remarkably incomplete. whatever happened to jokes jim? remember, things that are funny... that you thought of... & told everybody? those were good times

  • @asasheffield9971
    @asasheffield9971 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Kelly, you're looking awfully pretty today! I love your voice
    Jim and Forest, hilarious as always
    Jack....🙁
    Jk I love ya, bud. Be sure to audition for the next season of Love on the Spectrum let's turn that frown upside down
    5 stars

  • @DingleberryWhite
    @DingleberryWhite 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looking forward to the next life hackets. Those are the best!

  • @dturts8309
    @dturts8309 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    wtf domino's have the best pizza and burger kings angus burgers are amazing

  • @AK907guy
    @AK907guy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job Jack

  • @floraofnevada6493
    @floraofnevada6493 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kelly was particularly great this week. Jack...ehhh.

  • @andrewthompson6908
    @andrewthompson6908 ปีที่แล้ว

    It cortazon

  • @merfymac
    @merfymac 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Medical misinformation? Wow Jim do they got your kids held hostage or something

  • @odt4492
    @odt4492 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "compulsive gambling"

  • @ddmarsh21
    @ddmarsh21 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    doggie!

  • @237g
    @237g 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dogers tuckered.

  • @johannordstrom1932
    @johannordstrom1932 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok groomer

  • @steventindall5352
    @steventindall5352 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a weak little man Jim is
    Having to surround himself with sycophantic people to massage his ego! Poor Jim!

  • @jeninlight
    @jeninlight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It’s cute that your having a cast about misinformation and then continue your misinformation about ivermectin. Disgraceful
    Great example of propaganda though, if that’s what you were aiming for. Slow hand clap

  • @thathabsfan1431
    @thathabsfan1431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Got here first! Woo hoo!

    • @Peter_Trevor
      @Peter_Trevor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      .
      Aspire to be something greater!

  • @callanhutchison1871
    @callanhutchison1871 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2nd 😠