Honestly tho if Kung Fu Panda was taken from the viewpoint of Tigress, Po would have definitely been hated. Just imagine, you’ve trained for 20 years to become the dragon warrior and then your mentor’s mentor chooses a panda that fell out of the sky and doesn’t know a lick of Kung Fu. On top of that, he manages to become your mentor’s favourite AND he masters Kung Fu in a week. Also, he masters EVERYTHING he sees and is able to return cannon balls.
Elsa from frozen. From the persepctive of an outsider, they’d see she spends her entire life holed up in a castle, having nothing to do with her kingdom and then, in the course of one day, freezes everything and buggers off, leaving them to die. She essentially has to be hog tied and dragged back to try and fix the problem she made, which she refuses to do, so how and why her people didn’t turn on her in the end is mind boggling.
The gal has ice powers though, and since she turned her kingdom into a winter wonderland and freeze people (both unintentionally ), the people couldn't oppose her if they tried.
I think you mean Anna . Elsa was the good one . She literally couldn't do it, powers was out of control with no one to help , endured suffering with no comfort from anyone and was kept away for years from society. From 3rd perspective she's purely innocent . Anna from 3rd perspective is terrible . Elsa tells her of her problem yet she continues on being ignorant and rude . Elsa pleads for her to go and is obviously getting unstable yet Anna continues on . Anna falls in love with a stranger after literally 1 night cause he was nice to her .
Any movie where the protagonist stops a wedding because they love one of the people getting married. You couldn't just tell them before they bought all this stuff? Now they have to return it all and if they can't return it then that's thousands of dollars down the drain. We got all dressed up and excited and now it's not happening because this person is good at giving speeches. Shrek is the only one in which I can excuse it because it's for kids.
and because in reality nobody liked lord farquaad, so honestly if i were a guest i wouldn't feel that bad, this little shit is getting eaten and i get to have all that t on the drama with that random new princess? hell yea
This was covered in how I met your mother. Ted gets left at the alter and heart broken and his ex fiancé's husband makes a successful rom com franchise out of it.
and Farquaad is a king, so he won't be losing much money anyway since he would be rich enough to pay them back plus, he is forcing her to be married to him so really, even from a moral standpoint he's a bad guy
Rick from Rick and Morty from Jerry's perspective. Jerry: my psychotic father in law won't stop kidnapping my children to bring them along his suicidal drug runs, frequently brings back monsters and parasites, and gets our world either destroyed or taken over by an alien race. And somehow my family Thinks i'm the bad guy because i'm the only one who calls him out on his complete insanity.
the current season is all about how Rick feels lonely because his family is starting to push him away due to the negative effect he has on them and well, it's never really hidden that sort of things about him
@@crazynats367 Yes, because he's a _scientist_ who's not _religious_ and, therefore, knows everything about the universe. That's a fun thing about religion: Whether you're religious or not, you can still be a big ol' bag of dicks.
@@LordofSadFac Nah they did it at least three times throughout the series.Once at Omashu while fighting the fire nation, a second time at Ba sing sei and a third time at the kiyoshi island
Harry Potter from Neville's perspective. Honestly Neville got a faith worse then Harry and nobody seemed to care. While Harry didn't had a good childhood, Neville you can imagin had it worse, he couldn't speak to his parents because they weren't mentally okay anymore because of the Crucio curse, everyone in Hogwarts looked down on him as a failure and Harry got this instant popularity just because of what he did as a child.
Same thing from Draco's perspective, he didn't want to do anything, he was forced into it because of his dad. He *maybe* had a better childhood than Harry because.....idk most people like to say so,but he still was blamed for most of the stuff he was forced into. Also, that time Dumbledore gave Gryffindor a million points because Harry breathed was really trashy and unfair
@@cesaremoore3873 you have to feel for harry. everyone he meet cents joining the wizarding world expects too much from him. he has the hope and dream of the whole world almost his whole time at hogwarts and voldmarts number one goal was to kill harry when he took over. the fact that he didn't break is what made him likable. the fact he told dumbaldors army not to idealizes him for his wins made me respect him
Neville was also stuck using his father’s wand for a while - contributing to some of his bungled magic, and had a fairly overbearing grandmother iirc. Plus, Harry didn’t really do anything when Voldemort’s assassination of him backfired. That was Lily’s doing.
Ben RNG also the Witcher 3 has a side quest that does that in a hilarious way. A tax collector finds you in one of the towns if you exceed a certain amount of money and questions how you got all that gold. The last question basically asks if you ever have entered a person’s home and taken any of their stuff. The quest ends in two ways: either you pay a fee to use banks again or you get a certificate if you lied on all 3 questions that says you are an upstanding citizen.
Kirito is such a bland MC. Like, if SAO was told from multiple characters perspective (different mini-arcs with different MCs) and Kirito was just one of many revolving MCs I think he would be a lot more bearable.
It's fascinating to see the Protagonist actually being the Villain. They lie to the reader/watcher and skip some parts of what they did until the end they 1.Fail and it's revealed they are a bad guy. 2.They win and get off-scot free while the reader/watcher is on their side still or they feel betrayed.
red guy 94 I was one of the few who rooted for light, he knew that once he died he would suffer but even doing so he sacrificed himself to get rid of people who deserved to die but because killing even horrible people is looked down upon would do more bad things. Crime was actually greatly reduced while light was alive, and he only killed innocent people when they tried to interfere with the peace he created. His whole god complex is what his mind did to protect itself from knowing what he was doing made him horrible, if he was himself he wouldn’t be able to stomach doing it but since he deluded himself into believing he was a god he was able to help create peace. L was an asshole, he didn’t give a damn if people died he just wanted to do what he wanted to do while going “I’m justice”. Right when he got to the orphanage he beat the shit out of everyone before claiming that no one should interfere with him because he is justice. Every time he was nice to light he was manipulating him; he was never sincere and is a genuine sociopath. Light is good sacrificing itself to help the majority, while L is evil doing good because it feels like it. In the end I like both light and l but when you think about it light is by far the better person with the better goals. Light deluded himself to think he is justice while L truly does believe he is justice, even though neither are. If L was the main character we would clearly see every evil manipulative thing he does, we would see more of his past where he’s a piece of shit while we see Kira wiping out evil and causing peace, more people would see L as the villain because of how death note is written, we think light is evil because we see eveything he does and when you don’t look deep into it he seems evil, while we only get the surface of L
Also, from the Volturi's point of view, she was a threat to vampire society, breaking the rules they had set up to protect vampire-kind by being a human who knows about vampires, and even hangs out with a super-powered Native American tribe who consider vampires to be their mortal enemy.
@@PyroGothNerd Honestly have you read the book? Only reason Volturi had a problem with her (considering she will become a vampire so there is no threat) is that they couldn't aquire Alice and Edward. Because Volturi often look after the gifted and then when they make a thiniest mistake (or they set it up) they kill everyone except the gifted ones by saying they can live if they join Volturi. They tried this in the book but jokes on them Bella has a metal shiled so non of their shit works on them while she is still there, making them pretty usless and being just regular vampires (since Jane and Alec are their strongest members)
@@asobimo5532 Yes, I've read the book. They let Bella live with the promise she would be turned into a vampire. They wanted Edward and Alice for their powers, but they also wanted everyone to follow the rules. Also, we only get Bella's point of view, so obviously the portrayal of the Volturi is very biased in Bella's favor.
I'm surprised Goku from dragon ball isn't on here. His lust for battle has put his, his friends, and everyone else's life on the line. If he was a side character, no one would resurrect him.
The nobody shit isn't fucking funny You have to keep in mind that Goku knew he couldn’t really win there, the mistake was giving Cell a Senzu Bean, then he would’ve been in the right and none of that mess would’ve happened.
Billy and Mandy from Grim's point of view. He's just trying to do his job and then gets tricked into becoming enslaved to a pair of selfish children. One's a self-centered idiot the other is a malicious bully, who both abuse and degrade him for laughs. It really hits home in a Halloween special where the group has to get a special staff but whenever they get close it shows them their biggest nightmares. Then grim is able to walk up to it no both because "I already live through my own nightmare every single day!" Can't a guy just do his job?
Ash Ketchum. If someone else was the protagonist in the Pokémon anime, Ash woukd just be the super annoying kid with a Pikachu in the backseat. He also always seems like a beginner- "wut dis pokeymawn" and "ooh wut dat pokeymawnz" and not just have the Pokédex tell him?
That's just made me think There was one kid in the Black and White anime who showed up around the final gym and managed to beat ash in the League with his newly evolved Lucario. He was Cameron and fans hated him Now I look at Sun and Moons Anime from Hau's Perspective, Ash was this random kid he met in Alola near the beginning and lost to him because of a technicality Ash is kindof a shitty trainer from a different perspective
It basically depends on which season it is; the main problem for fans is that Ash keeps getting reset, in the Kanto/Johto he was clearly a beginner who wasn't the brightest but was trying his hardest and learning. In Hoenn/Sinnoh he showed a bit more maturity and helped out May/Dawn where he could with his experience but it was still clear that he had a ways to go. Black&White is where things went really bad making him act like a total beginner while also referencing him having experience @Patrick Doran the thing about Cameron is that he is basically what you get when you take most of Ash's postives away and then turn the annoying parts up t eleven... seriously, this is someone who somehow made it to the tournament without being able to count to six; Ash at his worst was not that bad I'm personally of the opinion that they should have shifted main character after gen 4
Link from Legend of Zelda. He'd be some NPC who goes around robbing peoples houses and breakin their pots. If you try to talk to him he never says anything.
At the first gate to the castle, there is a very brief window where you can bribe the guard to open the gate (after ganondorf chases after zelda i believe).
Ok but glinda the good whitch is pretty suspicious she gave dorothy the ability to go home at the beginning but didn't tell her until she exposed the wizard and killed both the whitches so now she is the only ruler of Oz
@@pencilu3873 True, but only in the movie. In the book, there were two good witches: one who gave Dorothy the slippers, and one who actually knew how to use them. So no nefarious scheme in place, and it was a genuine quest to find out how to get home
Willy Wonka. He forces slaves to work in his unsanitary deathtrap of a factory. And after a day of accidents where several children were injured and/or mutilated, he dumps responsibility of the whole factory onto poor Charlie. Who will also probably be on the hook for hundreds of thousand's of dollars worth of taxes.
williy wonka gave charlie a trade job. willy wonka would own the factory for years while charlie learns it all..and the taxes wonka just had a door busting sale of all his chocolate he is richer than ever. charlie before the golden ticket was poor and starving after he probably became very rich. oh the woe of winning the world for a small act of kindness
always on your tail the price of fines from the safety violations would shut down the factory and leave Charlie’s family in huge debt and poorer than they started.
It was one day he let the kids in the factory.. the kids got hurt because they weren't listening and put them self in the situation even after being told not to.. (Edit:) And oompa loompa are payed with coco beans if I remember right.. because that's what they want
I wonder what The Office would’ve been like if it was told from David Wallace’s perspective. Having Michael Scott as a subordinate, and then having that subordinate being successful despite his incompetence must be, like, a waking nightmare. Don’t even get me started with Season 9 Andy...
Arkham Asylum hade a really good take on how The Riddler sees Batman. Where does he get those wonderful toys? We, the reader, know it's because Bruce Wayne is loaded... but a far more logical conclusion is that Batman Rob's the criminals he 'stops,' so from the outside that pacifism we again know he actually means, instead could be perfectly validly be seen as a messed up form of Catch & Release. Letting an entire city suffer and rot, for profit and glory.
So very much this... The defunct Legends had a very nice backstory for it: 1000+ years prior, there was a devastating war (again) between Jedi and Sith. In this war, you also had the Temple Jedi, an isolationist, ascetic and mystically-inclined sect of light-siders based on Coruscant. These cunt-waffles have looked at the massive civil war burning down the galaxy around them, and went "not our problem, let us contemplate our navels". As a result of that, when the ashes settled they were one of the most numerous orders of light-siders in the Galaxy. While the Republic was being organized, there was a push to limit the power of force users - during the war, centralized power broke down, and some of the stronger & charismatic Jedi had acquired control/rule over their local sections of the galaxy. That was nice while everything was burning, but suddenly this was no longer politically palatable to the bog-standard mortals, because no sane politician vying for leadership wants to compete on an even footing with a space wizard. So the apathetic philosophies of the Temple Jedi seemed very convenient to the politicos of the era; they got promoted as "the one true Jedi Order", and the few, scattered survivors of the more involved orders (who just won the fucking galactic war for them, by the way) got told to either bend over, or stop being Jedi. All the highly dubious policies of the prequel-era Jedi Order are remnants of the Temple Jedi. Induct only babies & young children into the cult? Temple Jedi. Have neither possessions or attachments, to the point of sociopathy? Temple Jedi. Have zero problems bending other people's minds for your own benefit, sorry, their own benefit and/or will of the Force? Temple Jedi. Have no desire for personal advancement, just go mediate conflicts when told for the benefit of the Republic? Temple Jedi, with a smattering of the deal they cut with the Senate for supremacy.
@@GR1338 That is incidental as my boy Sheev would not have been able to orchestrate their involvement in the Clone Wars if the Jedi Order had not joined the Republic. There's 1st responsibility was to serve the will of the force, but that conflicted with their service to the Republic. They should have remained independent.
Friends - all of them. Relentlessly mocked Joey for appearing in an std awareness programme, Chandler - kissed his b set friends gf, Phoebe - cheated on two very nice guys (a fireman and an elementary school teacher) then attempted to play them off on each other for who "gets to date" her Rachel - vacuous, selfish, returns all gifts for store credit, walked out on a wedding instead of being honest with her fiance, then cheats with him on her former best friend, Joey - cheats and lies as a matter of course, monica - attempts to date her exes son, attempts to commit fraud (and eventually suceeds) in adoption process - Ross - plays the victim after humiliating Emily in front of all her friends and family, then nearly goes on honeymoon trip with said person. Nasty people
Also, in Far Cry 4, at the beginning, if you don't leave the meal for like 15 minutes, Pagon Minn comes back and explains to you that he is too corrupt to rule the country, and that because he was so in love with your mother, he's handing his seat of power over to you, because he believes you will be a just leader.
@@pyromare4879 His sister intentionally destroys his inventions and he tries to help. Remember that he's not even near highschool, so his thoughts are still those of a kid. Sure. He's not exactly in the best health ( I DO remember the college episode ), but do you ACTUALLY think he wouldn't dedicate his inventions for the help of humanity as an adult ?
The anime protagonist who gets powerups out of nowhere but from the perspective from soemone who actually bothered to train and practiced a lot of years to master said technique, only for that to not work and the other guy does it by power ups.
I blame the whole science crew. They had one job, all they needed to do was convince the navi to not attack the humans while they mined under the tree. Yes we have the technology to mine under a tree without harming it.
@Varaug Carsaib I think that was doomed to failure, due to the tree being sacred to them AND also being their leader/goddess. Even so, you're right, he never made the attempt. I did love the marine's quote about humanity though.
Yeah, it wasn't his fault that peace was never an option, but it was his fault that the humans lost the resulting war. Whenever there's a war, each side is going to be a villain in someone's story.
Fairy Tail from the people of Magnolia and the council’s perspective. Always going overboard and causing chaos like the time with lullaby when Erza, Grey and Natsu destroyed the entire town. Or when Natsu and Lucy sank that mansion. Or when Natsu stole the king of Fiore’s crown. Or when that dragon lady tried to use Natsu to create a dragon because of a promise he made to an entire town the he forgot. Or the very first episode when Natsu and Lucy trashed the port of Hargeon. Or when he, Lucy and Happy went on that dangerous S-class quest on Galuna island? Or when he got Gajeel trapped in a tunnel system during the grand magic games. He’s a good guy and a hero for the most part but let’s not forget that the way he went about some things recklessly could have ended up endangering the lives of many people.
Well, that's why people like and hate the FairyTail guild. Wrecking something while doing something good... i mean, the only arc they destroyed something for the sake of humanity was Tartaros arc.
All the Cullens really. I doesn't take that much work to pass as say 22. Even if they were all turned in late teens. Why the hell are they continually going to high school? That sounds like it's asking for trouble. Bored vegan vampires surrounded by hormonal teens. What could possibly go wrong?
@silver3981 Problem isn't about him and Bella being comparable in age, the problem is that she's still a teenager, so he's basically a pedophile. If she was an adult, then while it'd still look weird, it wouldn't look so manipulative and creepy.
silver3981 Indeed. My stance on age gaps with immortal characters is that how old they look and act is what matters, because the issue with age gaps is the older party potentially taking advantage of the younger one. Edward looks and acts around Bella’s age, and while he’s a creepy little shit, he’s a creepy little shit in the way a boy her age would be, not in the way a mortal, aging man his actual age would be. So while Twilight is creepy and fucked up, Edward’s chronological age has nothing to do with it, in my book.
@@agirlinsearchof9057 But how would it be different if he acted like a mortal, aging man? His chronological age has something to do with it because he has vast mental experience (and in all other forms; power) over her.
Okay, now hold on a minute. Anybody who read 'Wicked' and thought Elphaba was a 'good guy' is really not paying attention. Wicked made Elphie *sympathetic* in some ways, sure, but the whole story was extremely grimdark. There was no black-and-white, but there were plenty of 'black' characters in among the moral-grey that passed for 'the good guys'. Look no further than how Elphaba treated Liir to see that she is *not* a good guy from anyone's perspective -- just a less-bad one from her own perspective.
Alyssa Davidson Exactly. She’s not good but she’s not bad either. Almost every character in the book is morally gray and just trying to survive with the hand they’ve been dealt.
I think basically any Tsundere girl. They insult a lot (specially if you try to approach them) and they even hit you when you do/say something they don’t like, and don’t apologize for any harm they make. I know, handling those things isn’t their thing, but hey, at least they could say “damn, sorry about kicking you down the stairs, calling you an idiot and then stop talking to you until I deemed it enough”. Not heartwarming speeches nor homemade cookies. Just a simple and quick apology for constantly treating someone so badly. From a bystander pov, or a real life one, their complete behavior would be something you’d find on those posters of red flags and toxic relationship awareness
Pretty much every BATTLE HAREM protagonist, from an Outsider's perspective. "That social outcast is suddenly getting super popular with the pretty(?)/famous/STRONK people. WTH?"
Also every tsundere from said harem anime. They are violent and downright abusive, so for them to win the war of love against the other girls competing (cause 99% of the time, there's a tsundere in the harem, be they the main female lead or not) is unfair for the girls that actually treat the guy with respect, especially those childhood friends.
Thor/Odin from Loki's perspective. Almost from the scene of Thor's coronation, we see that Loki has always been in Thor's shadow. If you watch the deleted scenes, it's even clearer that Loki was emotionally abused by Odin and physically abused by Thor.
Adventure time from pbs point of view. She creates a whole lot of beings that are alive and feel. Sheade them weak and practically unable to defend themselves. She experimented on the people she made. She saved no one. She also strung along marceline like a toy out the bus window. She used fin like a used sock. She could have helped ice king but she didnt, she had to know he was simon because of marci. I relate to PD. I typed a huge speech and deleted it to type this. Huge mental breakthrough.
Now that I think about it, Ruby from Max and Ruby was super annoying! All she'd do is whine and want to hang out with her friends, even though she's supposed to be her seemingly 4-year-old brother's guardian. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if she was actually 16, even though the legal guardianship age in the US is 18.
The main character who is divorced and has a son from the point of view of the other guy. You are in a relationship with a woman who got out from a bad relationship, you get along fine with her son and really want to see him as your own. Suddenly her jerk ex does something that reminded her why she fell for him and abandons you.
worse, you're a buisness man who's going to get married but then she sees her "childhood friend" accidentally and is now staying in the same neighborhood and let's not forget that he is hunky, and if you dare try to focus on your marriage and did not see that your wife has changed her mind like she just changed her t-shirt, it's over, oh and also your in-laws basically ships them together and now that your love life is over nobody ever talks to you or thinks about you and you're either moved away by force because of the havoc that all this mess caused or you HAVE to move yourself and thus quit your very stable lifestyle because your ex-fiance is literally fucking the neighbor and getting married and most of the time this type of story happens in christmas so thanks for the yearly reminder of that heartbreak
This is why I liked Mrs Doubtfire The ex is likeable, but at the end of the day they divorced for a reason, his disguise as Mrs Doubtfire made things arguably worse They never got back together but in the end, they reconciled and he's able to look after their children Apparently in the original script it would've been exactly that clichéd story, but after a divorce the script was changed to not give kids of divorced parents false hope
9:45 Back in the days when Cartoon Network ran marathons, I spent a day cataloging all acts of violence, and who launched them. Jerry initiated 3 times more often than Tom. This excludes any other actors - dogs, other cats, other mice, w/e. Just Tom & Jerry.
Walker Texas Ranger from the view of an internal affaires investigator. "So you caught the guy. He surrendered. So you then put your gun away, challenged him to a fist fight, before beating the stuffing out of him? And you do this on a weekly basis?"
@Warvvolf He puts lives at risk because he wants every criminal he brings in to have to go to the hospital or the morgue. He's left so many bodies that any internal affairs investigator should be thinking they're dealing with a serial killer because every time he goes off alone, either the suspect comes back beaten senseless, or dead. And we see why that is. If he has someone captured, he will intentionally try to get the suspect to fight him. He's for all intent and purpose a very bad cop who should've been arrested or at worst let go, early into his career as soon as his phycopathic nature was revealed.
Kirito was a Beta Tester. He could have spoken up and tried to share his knowledge with the other players so more people could survive. Instead, he did nothing and lots of people died when they got careless or didn’t understand the game mechanics. Plus, if he was so powerful, why’d he take umpteen days off for a romantic getaway with Asuna while the survivors were busting their asses to escape the game? Priorities!!
That really isn't the case at all though. During Aincrad he was faced with plenty of challenges that he wouldn't necessarily overcome, like Sachi's death. He didn't solo The Gleam Eyes like everyone likes to say he did. There were multiple other people fighting as well who had whittled the bosses HP down a fair bit. Yes he did a lot of damage, and you could consider him overpowered in that one singular instance, but it makes sense in the context of the story. He lost both his fights against Kayaba, only killing him in the second fight by using incarnation to prolong his life long enough. During fairy dance he died trying to solo the world tree, and only defeated Sugo because of Kayaba giving him admin rights. In Phantom Bullet He struggles with his fight against Death Gun, only winning with Sinon's help. He never once defeats Yuki in Mother's Rosario, and died fighting off an entire boss raid because obviously he would. Through Alicization he struggles through his fight with Ugachi, due to not being used to dealing with pain during fights. He sustains multiple injuries fighting the Integrity Knights, even losing to Eugeo, who had been taught by Kirito himself. He is near mortally wounded by the Sword Golem, and barely makes it out of his fight with Administrator, losing his right arm in the process, and at the cost of Eugeo's life. So I wouldn't quite say he faces little challenge, or that he overcomes them with ease.
There's a lot I could say about how protecting his country does *not* work as a justification for what funny valentine does, but to save me some time I recommend watching "the convincing villain of funny valentine" by oceaniz as it explains it better than I could.
I mean thanos was the villain, I would assume all good guys are annoying from the villains perspective. Especially villains who think they’re in the right.
Tanya Degurechaff from Youjo Senki. The title literally calls her evil, and it's completely justified - she used trickery and legal loopholes to commit war crimes without actually breaking the rules of conflict. She sent soldiers who disobeyed her orders to certain death. At one point she literally ordered a large group of civilian refugees to be killed in order to tie up loose ends and prevent them from coming back later full of hatred; not only that, she made the soldier suffering from PTSD do it, just to prove a point. Her crusade against God (who is, admittedly, also portrayed as an uncaring self-absorbed dick) puts her and everyone else in danger. And despite claiming to ultimately despise war and violence, she seems to revel in battle with psychotic glee. But she's also the protagonist, and so the reader can't help but root for her. Youjo Senki is a great example of "the plot decides who's right" principle.
True. Eventhough the world govt is garbage, the marines still try to make the world a better place. Many pirates are cruel and horrible and the marines are just trying to make life run smoothly for the people whose islands they protect
bs if anything the world gov should love straw hat. my problem with one piece is that straw hat seems to not understand what a pirate is much less what they do. he goes around crushing every pirate he finds and leaves then easy pick up for the marines. he doesn't even collect the LARGE reward money for any of these people.
@@alwaysonyourtail2563 on the contrary, Luffy's understanding of pirates is the same as that of Gol D. Roger and what motivates him to pursue One Piece. That being a pirate is to be free (from everything including laws) and to be the King of the Pirates is what will give him the greatest freedom. That some pirates are evil and choose to do bad things is also their freedom. I see no contradiction in Luffy's definition and what pirates are being.
about the cop stuff. had this happen to me in real life! i was a firefighter. and the mayors house was set on fire. they came after me because I was on duty that night. saying i was trying to kill him and his family for cutting our pay. kept telling them I am a volunteer, I don't get payed! also live in a different city so his laws he passes does not effect me! after 2 hours of them ripping into me. showing pics of the kids, and how they was hurt. (I was at the fire, I treated the family burns) turns out they had the guy in another jail, in another city for a different crime. he said he did it because of some new law BS. when they got news of the guy they still detained me for 24 hours. to they could drive 30 mins to the next city over and interview him. came back and didn't even say sorry or anything just a "we are watching you! best not mess up!" tried to sue, but they was in legal rights to hold me. quit the next week. was a volunteer for 10 years, but two asshole cops ruin my love of it.
@Zachary Preval In part 3 he literally attacked a Japanese guy because some unrelated Japanese guy married his "only" child. In part 4 he literally cheated on his wife. Joseph is a good guy but still a dickhead.
Not really. That episode was extremely exaggerated and clearly seen from the POV who didn't have all the details. I think the Saint Patrick's Day episode is a really good example of Ted's flaws.
@@reasyrandom Agree, Ted was left at the altar by the woman he loved and to rub salt in the wound they monetize the story portraying as a jerk who deserved to be loved.
@@Hektols "The Wedding Bride" is easily one of my least favorite episodes because of this. It utterly ruined Stella's character without her even appearing and is also a bad representation of mass opinions. The movie is deliberately cliched, obnoxious and poorly-written, yet everyone but the main characters loved it for some reason.
@@reasyrandom You don't know that, seeing as Ted iss the one who literally narrates the entire series. It's entirely possible he is a colossal douchecanoe of Ross Geller proportions, and is only SAYING he's the lovable Raymond type.
Naruto from the point of view of one of the Academy students who didn't pass the test of the jonin senseis. The class clown who skipped class, made annoying pranks and failed the Academy tests got into a team with the best students, becomes a ninja, somehow becomes able to beat the best student of the previous year, gets a legendary Sanin to train him for three years, when he returns instead of doing low ranking missions as other genins he is given chuunin/jonin ranked missions and while he gets even more exclusive training a bad guy looking for him appears and destroys the village but he defeats and becomes a hero. Then a war where all the villages have to protect him starts and he manages to win it becoming a bigger hero and getting a pardon for his traitorous friend. Then his sensei becomes the Hokage and in an act of nepotism appoints him as his successor.
Well I don't think a lot of people envious his missions mission A or S are death sentences for weak ninjas the war was for protection of the ultimate weapons (the bijus) naruto save konoha and the hokage choose the next hokage
I agree with what you said. Naruto was neglected and hated. So why bother to get the attention of who hates him? Why didn't he try to improve himself instead of pulling pranks and getting himself more haters? He could've became stronger by learning in class and practicing but he decided to waste his own time by pulling pranks and being a nuisance. He hated Sasuke for minding his own business. To be frank, he would never have passed academy if it wasn't for Mitsuki's attempted assassination. He wouldn't have became a genin if Sasuke never thought out of the box and shoved the food in his mouth. He wouldn't have made it passed the mission in the Mist if it wasn't for Kurama. It goes the same for the Chunin exams. Even after getting betrayed by his friend he still wants to get him back. Even knowing there is no way Konoha would want a dangerous Uchiha criminal there. He's just an obnoxious blockhead with too much luck and power with him. He made friends but had he ever thought about their feelings when he rush into dangers because he wanted to? I don't even know why and how did the people in Konoha will accept him after the troubles he brought there. Attack from Pein? It was targeted for him. And many were traumatized by the attack 'deaths'. When did they get forgetful enough to dismiss it? Coz the last time I remembered they've never forgiven him for 'killing' their villagers and Hokage.
@@lucius8689 well I mean he also was the one who went to go find Nagato and brought everyone back to life. He also wasnt really in the village when Pain got there and just started fuckin shit up..
Well to be fair he didn’t have control over his teammates. He opposed but was told that it was for the sake of balance (the worst with the best). And for the Pain incident, he faced the enemy and didn’t have other people fight for him to protect him (willingly, at least. Hinata ran in on her own even after he specified he didn’t want anyone around)
The main player from the saints row series. Imagine your a police officer or a normal citizen in steelport/Stillwater and your day is horribly ruined by the leaser of a gang fighting another gang because they dis something they dident like or they were selling something that they shouldn't be selling. Imagine your best freind being killed by the boss of that gang because he was just another cop in his way. Imagine your brother died because he was driving down the road that the boss was going down and crushed to death because the boss hit his car trying to push him out of the way.
Imagine finding out that the president of United States that turned the White House into a Strip Club, solved World Hunger/Cured Cancer and saved the earth from an alien invasion is the same gangster that killed your brother.
Gabriella from Highchool Musical and Sharpay as the good guy. Sharpay works very hard and have been since a child to pursue her dream in broadway . Gabriella comes around and takes her spot cause everyone loves Troy . Even though Gabriella was late and ran off she had still gotten the role unfairly. Sharpay looks at a person for who they are at the end of the day unlike everyone else including Gabriella. They either hated Sharpay cause she's rich to the point they don't acknowledge her hard work or they love her cause she's rich so they may even want to use her . Sharpay suffers from child neglect obviously but never became ignorant and out of control nor selfish but Gabriella is allowed to cause she's the main even though she have a good family life , great education and popular bf and not as hardworking as Sharpay Evans. Gabriella and everyone ignorantly believes Sharpay have a great life cause her parents are rich even though her own mother doesn't even like her enough to listen to her besides her brother and parents constantly busy. Sharpay gets bullied by everyone yet stands her ground but if she makes a statement then she's evil . Sharpay helps Troy and Troy distances himself from his friends along with Gabriella by his own will yet somehow Sharpay is the bad guy . Sharpay even lets his friends stay to work there at her family resort even though they all hate her . Everything was honestly wrong. Sharpay deserved better and luckily she found a man on Sharpay fabulous adventure who helped her adjust to a knew life and was patient with her .
Passengers. It would have made a great psych-horror/thriller movie if it were told from Aurora's (love interest) perspective. We would have hated Chris Pratt's character since he is essentially a murderer, but no, Chris is the main character here, so we all sympathise with him because he's lonely and a horndog.
The thing with Passanger is that the guy( forgot his name) was completly alone just with a robot to talk to on a ship full of hibernating people. Loneliness is hella painfull as it is even more so when there are other people around that you cant reach. Im not saying he's innocent, he basically took Aurora's life away but his actions are pretty understandable.
Ironically, since you had Kirito as the thumbnail, he’s pretty much unanimously hated even by people who LIKE the show. He’s a bland, overpowered badass for no reason other than he’s the main character. HOWEVER, in the Sleeping Knights arc of the show, his girlfriend Asuna is the main character, and Kirito takes the role of the “nerdy friend”, and it suits him WAY better. He’s a really good character in that arc And in the Fatal Bullet video game, he’s actually your *rival* character. Like the Gary Oak of the game, who’s just way too good, and you’re kinda friends, but you also just want to kick his ass. And he’s a pretty great character in that too If SAO was from Klein’s perspective, and Kirito was just his badass, but super socially awkward friend, I think he’d be a fan favourite
I always feel like people reduce Kirito down to "oh some overpowered boring mc." Like the point was his emotional struggle. Villified and ostricized at the very beginning, then he finally opens up again, only to lose the epople he opened up to. Picking up the pieces of his life and trying to be okay. Meeting Asuna and then not just learning to bond again but even finding happiness. And honestly its been a while since I watched the aincrad arc but the later arcs that show Kirito's PTSD are actually really good.
@@ej-epicjourney5351 I couldn't play through all the game because of Chloe. So maybe the characters redeem themselves in some way. I would not keep a friend like Chloe. I hated that Max put up with her I couldn't stand it so I stopped playing (pretty early in the game). Played the game in college at a friends. Just not my cup of tea, It's ok for other people to like it I just can't get over my outright contempt for Chloe and Max for putting up with her.
@@ej-epicjourney5351 I honestly mean no offense. Just for me personally I like friendships that are more like persona 4. In that story friends bolster each other up. To me it seemed like Chloe only ever took what she needed from Max and never really cared about her. Persona 4 everyone has problems but they work through it and they help each other out. There isn't any one character that drags them via manipulation or guilt tripping at least not to the degree Chloe engages in.
I disagree with the one about Batman. It's not his job to decide how criminals should be punished, it's the cities. It's on the city they never decided to execute Joker or any of the other criminals after Batman captured them. Just elect a mayor who is pro death penalty if that's what you want.
That's actually a great point. If Gotham is always getting slammed by the Joker and others, why have they never elected someone who wanted to execute them?
Goku from the Dragon ball series. Especially after he started the tournament of power and didn't even care about how many lives would be lost from it as long as he gets to fight strong opponents.
frank spick Goku didn’t know that though. That’d be like if someone punched me in the face. Causing me to miss my flight. Which ended up crashing and killing everyone on board. While the guy saved my life he’s still an asshole.
No one's mentioning the most obvious. Any form of military in most zombie media. Person was just bitten? Execute them, to prevent spread of said infection. Trying to keep a zombie locked up for study? Maybe not, since it could do an insane amount of damage. People rebelling because they want to do something dangerous? Summary execution, what they wanted to do would've ruined our safety or killed a lot of us I always question why they're treated as the bad guys, when what they do generally makes sense to survive
*Cloud Strife.* Final Fantasy 7 literally starts with him planting a bomb that destroys a significant part of a highly populated city, and it's implied he and the rest of AVALANCHE been doing similar stuff for a while. To a random citizen of Midgar, even if they _did_ somehow hear about him saving the world from Sephiroth, in their eyes excusing him for that would probably be like excusing Osama Bin Laden for taking down Hitler or something.
Cloud just started working for AVALANCHE, plus they probably only detonated the bombs once every civilian was out of range, shinra on the other hand was worse, they dropped a massive structure on a whole district, killing thousands of people
Reeve, through Cait Sith, explains to Barrett and Cloud that the reactors they destroyed killed hundreds of people in the explosions. Barrett tried to justify it saying it was for the good of the planet, and Reeve says that AVALANCHE was no better than Shinra in that regard. I forgot exactly when they have that conversation, but I think it was in Disc 2.
AVALANCHE is outright referred to as a terrorist organization in some descriptions of the game. Plus, like another comment said, Reeve calls out Barret on the lives lost in the attacks, to which he can only meekly respond with a wishy-washy answer about how some things need to be sacrificed for the good of the Planet. Even Barret wasn't sure he was doing the right thing anymore.
I really liked how the remake portrayed how the Midgar citizens feel about avalanche. Also let’s not forget in the original where Cloud gives Sephiroth the black materia and proceeds to beat Aerith, and then give Sephiroth the black materia again after taking it back.
I told a friend of mine: Yugioh (original) from Ryo Bakura's perspective. - why are card games so life and death important and why are my friends continually taking my things
Team rocket Mate come on from the few episodes of Pokémon that has been focused solely on them We get so much more drama and actual character growth I’m tired off Following ash Let me watch James Jessie and Meowth some how build a giant robot Or How they spend time with there Pokémon LIKE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING
Team rocket are absolutely terrible. But, at the same time, they put WORK into their schemes. Half the time, they aren’t committing crime, they’re raising money to build their ridiculous robots through normal jobs. My favourite part of the sinnoh Pokemon league is just seeing James be really fucking good at marketing and making a profit. Then you have ash, a child who always gets in the way of their work. Yes, their work is robbery and effectively kidnapping, but it’s still their work. Every time, this child ruins their plans after all the time and money they spent on it. They’ve tried focused attacks to take him out but nothing works. Ash has undoubtedly put the trio into financial ruin. What I’m saying is that with a certain twist, you can make ash look like a c u n t.
Team rocket has 2 modes. There's the "we need some conflict for this episode so lets just use them" and "let's let them be actual characters". In the first case, they tend to be very obnoxious, stupid, and unlikable, but in episode's where they are the second case, then they are honestly the best written characters in the show. Jesse was 100% the best performer when they did the pokemon contests and James is probably the best trainer in the series.
Goku. Let’s have a look at it from Piccolos perspective. This guy constantly puts the entire universe at stake just so he can have a good fight. Then his son that you’ve come to care for has now been thrown in the deep end to fight this bug monster even though his father might have actually won, or at least gets close. Then gives said creature a bean that instantly heals his injuries. That same father dies and refuses to come back and raise his teenage and unborn sons. Leaving his unemployed wife to raise two children on her own. (Lucky her fathers rich). Then seven years later he comes back. Did he have a change of heart? No! He just wanted to have a good fight. Then after this asshole let’s himself be possessed instead of focusing on the main threat. They play right into the enemies hands. And when a god calls them out, Goku threatens to kill him. And later on he has a fantastic opportunity to kill a monster that threatens the earth. But instead leaves it to his seven year old son and his friend. Then his time runs out and forces you to train them further.
Joseph Joestar okay I agree with everything you said about the cell games arc about Goku but the reason he didn’t kill buu in ssj3 was because he was gonna run out of time and if his time ran out without him teaching the fusion dance to the boys the earth would’ve been screwed . If it wasn’t for Vegeta he would’ve killed Buu the first time cause he wouldn’t to have worried about time
But that means we'd have to overlook him kidnapped a child after killing his dad before abusing said child. He then basically Stockholm syndromed his way into being the child's best friend.
8:20 Gods I hate this trope so much. My Parents love cop shows(NCIS, Criminal Minds, etc)and seeing some of the stuff those cops pull is just insane, and even in our real world, where some cops get away with a lot of crud, they would be in jail so fast, probably protesting that they were just doing their jobs. One example I saw recently, in NCIS, the criminal of the episode had hired someone to kill someone else, they failed, but crippled the other guy, but there was no proof, and I think the assassin died in the attempt, so no confession there either. So the wife of the crippled man kidnaps the guy, ties him to a thing she claims is a bomb, and the NCIS crew comes in, finds them and her standing there, and then says they're gonna hold off on the bomb squad call until he confesses, which obviously he does(Turns out the bomb was a fake anyway, something Gibs was aware of somehow) Not only would any good lawyer get a confession like that thrown out so fast it would make the head spin, the woman would be going to jail, and the entire crew would lose their authority, and likely face brig time and dismissal all over, the whole department would get a shake up, as yes, they've previously established they wear body cams in another episode, so there's evidence(And if said cams stopped working just before this point, well, not only do you have no confession then anyway, but people saw him get kidnapped, so wife's going to jail no matter what you do)
Rey from star wars, if either Finn or Poe was the main character. We have an interesting, flawed protagonist, and every time they're about to do something great here comes motherfucking Rey to grab all the glory because she just had to be good at everything and the chosen one.
I think it’s canon that she made another journal about the stuff, which kinda redeems (a little) her selfishness in the series. Also, Sock Opera, Bill says “Who would risk everything they have just for a dumb sibling?” And Mabel actually stops Bill and help so dipper.
It was already basically from Dipper's perspective. He was the narrator in the first and last episode, is in every episode. We see all the hell he went through in Weirdmaggedon, and is one of the only (if not, the only) character who is in every episode. But I hate Mabel, and that sorry excuse of an apology for everything she did throughout the series in Lost Legends doesnt cut it.
Marinette from Miraculous Ladybug. She actively sabotages her crush's relationships with other girls, follows him around everywhere, uses her powers to bully anyone getting too close to him, is inexplicably the best at everything she tries, will throw her friends under the bus if given a chance to talk to her crush, and yet can never get more than a sentence out to him without babbling. The only reason she's so loved is because she's the protagonist and everything she does is painted as amazing.
Goku, at least in the tournament of power and the universe 6 and 7 tournament, and maybe in the android saga. When the universe 6 and 7 tournament ended, Zeno showed up and he encouraged the tournament of power and the tournament of power caused like 9 (I forget exactly how many) universes to get erased and all their inhabitants in them and possibly an extra one (which would have been his own) if a selfish wish was made, and even though all the erased universes got wished back and he would have wished them back himself if he won, there was still an immeasurable amount of stress throughout all the universes competing. Plus, not to mention, say if 17 didn't wish for goku's wish, or frieza won, or even another universe did, there's no telling what would have happened.
The Guy in the showthey said Zeno forgot about the tournament and was just going to erase them anyway because they were bottom universe, but goku made him have a tournament and the tournament made him decide that if the strongest person in all the universe were pure heart then they would be worthy to live
@@fryphilip7474 Didn't they say that Zeno was going to erase a specific number of universes? Before going through with the tournament, I think they were only going to destroy eight or so universes, not potentially all of them.
Henry Mills from Once Upon a Time Imagine some kid knocking on your door, claiming they’re your birth child, telling you that you’re from a different realm, and trying to convince you into going to his town filled with allegedly cursed Fairy Tale characters. Yeah
In playing Nathan Drake games I always comment mid-firefight. "BOY NATHAN DRAKE KILLS A LOT OF PEOPLE!" that combined with his constant swearing and beleaguered whining about his situation makes him always seem like an antagonist when i'm playing Uncharted. Yo Nathan, if you just put down the gun and maybe just stopped murdering people, you could probably just become a talkshow host or something and make bank telling crazy stories about your life and the innumerable times you've been shot, tossed out of moving vehicles, or caught yourself on a rickety 2-by-4 over a bottomless chasm. Just don't mention your body count or people will send you to jail.
the first game was easily self-defense as all the conflict in the game was sully's fault for blabbing to the cartel he owed money to. the second game basically would've still happened with or without drake. third game had the illuminati as the bad guys who were trying to summon demons or something? i don't know about the vita game or the fourth game since i didn't play them.
@@xsoultillerx You can claim self defense for maybe the first dozen kills, I don't know the plot of the first game, but after several armed shootouts you gotta realize you're willingly causing conflict with psychopaths right?
Light is both the protagonist and the villain... the story was about the villain... just like infinity war (which is said from Thanos' POV) we don't like Thanos even though we saw it through his eyes... Same goes for Light... even though he's the protagonist he's still the bad guy... so seeing from L's POV doesn't going to change anything...
@@morningstar5493Not everyone agrees that Light is the villain. In my opinion he was overall helping the world more than he was harming it, and L just wanted to take him down because "how dare someone do my job better than I'm doing it?" rather than for the greater good.
The only answer I can think of is "Captain Marvel," but this technically doesn't count since the fans STILL hate her even thought she's the protagonist. Like, that's got to be some sort of sick record or something.
Well along those lines there's one arc where when she was still Miss Marvel in the comics that is still a major wtf that caused the Avengers to get slammed for a while. She was brainwashed by a timetraveling alien then he got her knocked up with his reincarnation and the avengers rather than going umm hon you're out of character gave their freaking blessings to it. When she came back she blasted them verbally with both barrels telling them how messed up that was they literally handed her to her rapist
Thats the thing with deadpool 2. How many of those security guys deserved to die? We see some evil prisoners that wade does not have to feel bad if they get their asses kicked and the audience knows that. there are evil mutants so it just felt so odd with how they stop that prison bus and dont seem to feel any pity for those security guys that die or get injured.
Honestly, the movie DOES try to soften it a bit by showing most of the security personal really can't stand mutants and barely seek to do anything beyond keep them under their thumbs while powerless. It's not even something for rehabilitation. The fact that Colossus is fine with sending Deadpool there is actually kinda shitty on his part, especially since he's also fine with them taking a KID there. Not to mention he's very likely aware Deadpool is doomed without his healing factor. The Deadpool films tend to paint the guys Deadpool intentionally hurts as at least assholish enough to not make the audience sorry for them. There's exceptions, like the many civilians caught up in the prisoner transport, but even most of that happened due to Domino rather than Deadpool. He's a darker, rougher take on a hero, sure, but he's definitely not really one I'd call deserving of being treated as the actual villain.
Anyone here who says a word about family maters, “go home, go home, go home, go home!” Steve is a good kid, and if he were not a key protagonist, he would be the clumsy nerd who messes up stuff and still would not be hated.
Yeah. I’d say the same about Kimmy from Full House; they always treat her like some nuisance. But in Family Matters, the Winslows are the main characters, so in this scenerio it would be from Urkle’s perspective
Death Note but from L's perspective. He knew all along that Light was Kira but he never got enough evidence against him no matter how many different tactics he tried. In the end, Light just out smarted him which led to his death, and because L was the who could of proved Light was Kira and everyone start will believe Light was innocent after all allowing him to gain control of the Kira task force making him unstoppable. To top it all off, in a deleted scene it shows everyone in front of L's grave with Light lying to everyone saying he's going to "avenge" L by bringing Kira to justice. Just as everyone except for Light leaves, Light laughs like a manic getting on all 4's on top of L's grave, gloating about how everything went perfectly to plan and about how he finally won. Needless to say everyone would've hated Light's guts if that was how the series ended (with L the protagonist in this situation).
@Aniah Rose alois is a psycho Hannah did absolutely nothing to him still he tortured her He claims to love Claude yet right after showing his "love" he insults him and is seen being WAAAY too happy when he gets the chance to punish him. relentlesly just because he knew she would never leave him, he was completly obsessed with Ciel then when he realised Claude liked Ciel more than him he tried to kill Ciel right after he tried to get Sebastian killed. Thats not personality thats disease
Jojo’s Bizzare Adventures Part 7 Steel Ball Run. Jonny Joestar would be hated if he wasn’t the protagonist. If Funny Valentine was the protagonist, everyone would be cheering him on without changing a thing. Even if Funny wasn’t the protagonist and it was given to Gyro Zeppeli, Jonny would still be hated.
I'd recommend watching "the convincing villainy of funny valentine" by oceaniz for a better explanation, but a few points: .Funny had no clue what the completed corpse part would do, he was effectively making a huge risk for a vague possibility . Even when he gets all of them, if he won the situation would be that America prospers while the rest of the world burns (possibly literally), how is that a noble goal? .also he tried to rape a 15 year old girl
Ed Edd'n Eddy from every other kid (especially Kevin) in that neighborhood although to be fair none of those kids have common sense not to be fooled by the shit Eddy pulls out again and again
1. The four boys from South Park from the perspective of other South Park elementary students. This is technically already been explained in an episode. 2. Malcolm from Malcolm in Middle through literally regular person who happens too interact with him's PoV (this is explored some throughout the show, but not that much) 3. Star and Marco from Star Vs. The Forces of Evil at the series finale from the perspective of the Mewmans (admittedly, this was explored a tiny bit in the fourth season) 4. Ayano Aishi from Yandere Simulator from the perspective of Taro Yamada and the families of the rivals 5. Carrie from Carrie from the PoV of the families of everyone she killed
Nazarick from Overlord. Part of the charm is that, while evil, we see the NPCs as protective of Ainz and the Guild members from a dystopian version of our world. To the kingdoms of the New world, Ainz is so magically powerful they may as well be ants under his shoe. He can't be bargained with unless it's on his own terms, and actively tricks people into attacking his home to test it's security features, then hates them for attacking his home. It would be like existing in the Roman empire, then America, Russia or China show up and using their "atom bombs" to establish just how horribly screwed you are.
Hester Shaw in Mortal Engines is my favorite of all time, but even as a protagonist she's villainistic. -Invades a major city and tries to kill their mayor and most respected figure in history after he killed her parents, without knowing he's her dad and he's been working his entire life to redeem himself from said mistake. -More or less kidnaps a poor boy who's never seen life in a hard way -Still tries to kill the same man even after seeing all his redemptive qualities, ends up killing his daughter/her sister instead -Her kidnapee/new lover finally finds a life he loves, and she is too scared of abandonment to let him truly enjoy it -She's just some poor scarred girl with a temper problem, mayoress of an elite family is by far a better lover than someone as messed up as her right? -After abandoning her lover when she sees he was forced into a bad situation involving another girl, tries to sell off the entire city he's now in, and in return she'll get her lover back -Shoots and murders a few kids after a misunderstanding involving her daughter -After finally reuniting with her daughter, she abandons her family for the man who saved her from death when she was a kid that she thought was dead I haven't finished the last book yet, but if it keeps up, it's just Hester doing a lot of Dumb Things because she doesn't know how to react in a positive way to pain.
Raven Queen form Ever After High. (My childhood.) for those of you who don’t know what Ever After High is about, it’s a children cartoon about the kids of fairytales characters who attend a high school called Ever After High do they can fallow in the footsteps of their fairytales ancestors so they don’t go “poof” (we don’t know what that means but since EAH got cancel before it ever explained it but we can assume it means that they disappear or die.) However, one of students, Raven Queen daughter of the Evil Queen doesn’t want to fallow in her mother foot step and wants to rewrite her own destiny. Imagine the main characters was Head Master Grim (the headmaster of the school) or Apple White (the daughter of Snow White). Raven selfishly didn’t want to sign the “story book of legends” and caused a scene. She, could of disappeared/die and could of killed everyone else. Then some students started forming an alliance with her and they started forming the “Rebels.” A group of students who don’t want to fallow their destiny or want to fallow their destiny but support people who don’t. Imagine being Headmaster Grim who is trying his hardest to protect the students, or Apple White who is scared for her life that she and the people she cares about can disappear and she won’t get her happily ever after. Then some of Apple’s closes friends became rebels, like Ashlynn Ella, the daughter of Cinderella, who became a rebel and put everyone’s life at risk just because she had a secret rebel boyfriend, Hunter Huntsman. Or her best friend, Brair Beauty daughter of sleeping beauty who switch sides because she didn’t want to sleep for 100 years and she’ll miss her friends. (Which if she’s so scared of losing her friends, why doesn’t she fallow her destiny to protect them for dying.) I know that I’m taking a kids show meant for selling toys a little too seriously. And i like Raven, I just wish Apple didn’t get that much crap. (Also if you wanna watch Ever After High. Don’t if you can’t stand childish stuff, it’s not as complex as I make it out to be. You could try reading the book, which are a much better canon. I didn’t read the whole series in a long time but I have 3 of the books and they’re pretty good.)
The rebels from the perspective of the families of the Stormtroopers on the death star. Then again, it depends on where you are in the galaxy who the good guys and bad guys are. Planets like Lothal in Rebels or Bracca in Jedi Fallen order were pretty rough because the Empire was essentially slave driving the people while slowly raping the planet while the rich planets in the core reaped the sweat off these people's brows.
I do feel bad for the low ranking stormtrooper, but they can't still believe they are working for the good guys after blowing up a world full of their own innocent civilians. But yeah if they tried to leave they would been imprisoned for desertion or executed.
Goku from the point of view from his wife and kids. Like Gohan and Goten understands that he is one of the only things standing in the way of planetary destruction. But I wouldn't be surprised nor blame them if they occasionally resent him for generally not being and at least pretending to have good time. At least Vegeta kept his promise to spend time with his kid and was around for the birth of his daughter and always keeps his family in mind whenever he's off training or fighting.
I still don't get why Elisa forgave him. Like, he's not evil and I understand she couldn't hate him forever but I'd still be weary of the guy who flirted with literally every woman in the musical and at least one guy. And he's not a horrible father but he did fuck up with Philip.
Emotionally and mentally abused by his "father" and he wanted nothing more but to put away his horrid past and strive to be something better with himself and the company he'd won ... then suddenly the most naive and "morally superior" teen he's ever met just struts in and beats him in every duel like 1, 2, 3 with some bullshit magical mumbo jumbo and whom his friendship circle keep validating him as a true duelist DESPITE seemingly cheating!
@@gameraider100 I mean, Kaiba had an old man kidnapped just to steal a trading card and destroy it despite the fact that it wasn't being used for anything and was kept as a gift, if Kaiba had just left well enough alone and not given Yugi a reason to duel him, his losing streak never would have started and quite a few problems could have been avoided for him.
@@lightninstriker10 Yes, don't endanger ANYONE Yugi cares about. Especially his grandpa and his friends. Kaiba choose the wrong kid to pick a fight with.
@@ichigopockychan Rule1: Don't attack Yugi's friends, or an ancient Egyptian sorcerer will mind blast you. Rule2: Don't attack Yugi, or Joey will beat you to a pulp.
Honestly tho if Kung Fu Panda was taken from the viewpoint of Tigress, Po would have definitely been hated. Just imagine, you’ve trained for 20 years to become the dragon warrior and then your mentor’s mentor chooses a panda that fell out of the sky and doesn’t know a lick of Kung Fu. On top of that, he manages to become your mentor’s favourite AND he masters Kung Fu in a week. Also, he masters EVERYTHING he sees and is able to return cannon balls.
and only needed his pinky finger to one-shot you to hell
Oogway did state why he chose Po
@@joshuabennett8256 the universe chose Po
Maybe not a bad guy but definitely dislikable
I mean that’s why he was the dragon warrior
If Squidward were the main character, litteratly every other character in SpongeBob would be dislikable.
What about Sandy and Gary?
To be honest, Sandy is probably the most likable of them all, as she's had very few bad episodes.
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"I want to check what disgusting stuff folks will eat, if it's free" from "SpongeBob, you'rre fired".
They already are.
@@worldwatcher6999 True.
Elsa from frozen. From the persepctive of an outsider, they’d see she spends her entire life holed up in a castle, having nothing to do with her kingdom and then, in the course of one day, freezes everything and buggers off, leaving them to die. She essentially has to be hog tied and dragged back to try and fix the problem she made, which she refuses to do, so how and why her people didn’t turn on her in the end is mind boggling.
She didn't refuse, she physically couldn't do it.
She could still freeze everything again if they try to do anything against her. So they are probably going to live in fear of her until she dies.
The gal has ice powers though, and since she turned her kingdom into a winter wonderland and freeze people (both unintentionally ), the people couldn't oppose her if they tried.
This is the plot of the movie, my dide.
I think you mean Anna . Elsa was the good one . She literally couldn't do it, powers was out of control with no one to help , endured suffering with no comfort from anyone and was kept away for years from society. From 3rd perspective she's purely innocent . Anna from 3rd perspective is terrible . Elsa tells her of her problem yet she continues on being ignorant and rude . Elsa pleads for her to go and is obviously getting unstable yet Anna continues on . Anna falls in love with a stranger after literally 1 night cause he was nice to her .
Any movie where the protagonist stops a wedding because they love one of the people getting married. You couldn't just tell them before they bought all this stuff? Now they have to return it all and if they can't return it then that's thousands of dollars down the drain. We got all dressed up and excited and now it's not happening because this person is good at giving speeches.
Shrek is the only one in which I can excuse it because it's for kids.
and because in reality nobody liked lord farquaad, so honestly if i were a guest i wouldn't feel that bad, this little shit is getting eaten and i get to have all that t on the drama with that random new princess? hell yea
And because Shrek is life.
And it was against Fiona's wants
This was covered in how I met your mother. Ted gets left at the alter and heart broken and his ex fiancé's husband makes a successful rom com franchise out of it.
and Farquaad is a king, so he won't be losing much money anyway since he would be rich enough to pay them back
plus, he is forcing her to be married to him so really, even from a moral standpoint he's a bad guy
Kirito is already kinda hated. The abridged does a great job of showing this.
abridged Kirito is the true Kirito and nothing can change my mind.
Bogglemanify same
Hey it's God-kun now
In a few weeks its god kun
Gr3nadgr3gory abridged is just kirito ig his writting wasn’t terrible
Rick from Rick and Morty from Jerry's perspective.
Jerry: my psychotic father in law won't stop kidnapping my children to bring them along his suicidal drug runs, frequently brings back monsters and parasites, and gets our world either destroyed or taken over by an alien race. And somehow my family Thinks i'm the bad guy because i'm the only one who calls him out on his complete insanity.
We all know that though and even Rick admits he's the bad guy .
It’s really telling how true this is....
the current season is all about how Rick feels lonely because his family is starting to push him away due to the negative effect he has on them and well, it's never really hidden that sort of things about him
@@bittersweet6927 some people still glorify rick tho
@@crazynats367 Yes, because he's a _scientist_ who's not _religious_ and, therefore, knows everything about the universe.
That's a fun thing about religion: Whether you're religious or not, you can still be a big ol' bag of dicks.
The avatar from the cabbage man's p.o.v
I think the gang only destroyed his cart once, outside of that it was a shared obstacle, like the guards of Ba Zing Ze
@@LordofSadFac Nah they did it at least three times throughout the series.Once at Omashu while fighting the fire nation, a second time at Ba sing sei and a third time at the kiyoshi island
@@-Extra_Lives don't forget they road on the mailing system in omashu and messed up his cabbages.
The only way they could have made the finale better is if they decided to cut him a brake, gently walk up to his stall, and buy a cabbage
He did become rich and left huge fortune for his kids
Harry Potter from Neville's perspective. Honestly Neville got a faith worse then Harry and nobody seemed to care. While Harry didn't had a good childhood, Neville you can imagin had it worse, he couldn't speak to his parents because they weren't mentally okay anymore because of the Crucio curse, everyone in Hogwarts looked down on him as a failure and Harry got this instant popularity just because of what he did as a child.
Same thing from Draco's perspective, he didn't want to do anything, he was forced into it because of his dad. He *maybe* had a better childhood than Harry because.....idk most people like to say so,but he still was blamed for most of the stuff he was forced into. Also, that time Dumbledore gave Gryffindor a million points because Harry breathed was really trashy and unfair
@@reinarouge8381 Exactly, why make them have false hope like that? That's just plain rude
Like ngl, from LITERIALLY ANYONE ELSES perspective I woulda hated Harry
@@cesaremoore3873 you have to feel for harry. everyone he meet cents joining the wizarding world expects too much from him. he has the hope and dream of the whole world almost his whole time at hogwarts and voldmarts number one goal was to kill harry when he took over. the fact that he didn't break is what made him likable. the fact he told dumbaldors army not to idealizes him for his wins made me respect him
Neville was also stuck using his father’s wand for a while - contributing to some of his bungled magic, and had a fairly overbearing grandmother iirc.
Plus, Harry didn’t really do anything when Voldemort’s assassination of him backfired. That was Lily’s doing.
Any RPG protagonist where you can enter other people's house and plunder it for equipment without consequences.
Collegehumor did a skit about that.
Ben RNG also the Witcher 3 has a side quest that does that in a hilarious way. A tax collector finds you in one of the towns if you exceed a certain amount of money and questions how you got all that gold. The last question basically asks if you ever have entered a person’s home and taken any of their stuff. The quest ends in two ways: either you pay a fee to use banks again or you get a certificate if you lied on all 3 questions that says you are an upstanding citizen.
But hey, when it comes to the end of the world, you need everything you can get.
The Amazing World of Gumball did an episode on it. Spot on for a kids show.
@@lasereraser8605 I was about to mention this actually
I wasn't gonna comment RPG heroes, since we all already know they're not the most upstanding
you know you have grown up when you think Jerry is the bad guy in Tom and Jerry
Self defense.
Nah, even as a kid I wanted Tom to eat that little shit.
@@reasyrandom you too, huh?
@@reasyrandom preach i legit thought tom was the good guy for years when i was a kid
Tom's unquestionably a worse person than Jerry but Jerry's the more infuriating case because he's also a douche but never gets punished for it.
Ok but we haven't thought of the opposite
"What characters would probably be liked more if they weren't the protagonist"
pretty much just shuuichi saihara from drv3
Kirito is such a bland MC. Like, if SAO was told from multiple characters perspective (different mini-arcs with different MCs) and Kirito was just one of many revolving MCs I think he would be a lot more bearable.
@@jyutoiruma isn't shuichi pretty well liked though? Or am i missing something?
Naruto pops to mind
@@siriuslyorion2975 technically if he weren't the protagonist we'd see him as an annoying Gary Stu or something.
Light would have been seen as a Villain if L was the main character
*Wait*
Edit:482 likes this is amazing
I was just looking for something like this. You’ve made my day bish
@@redeye3087 your welcome
There nds game for that but is japanese exclusive
It's fascinating to see the Protagonist actually being the Villain. They lie to the reader/watcher and skip some parts of what they did until the end they 1.Fail and it's revealed they are a bad guy. 2.They win and get off-scot free while the reader/watcher is on their side still or they feel betrayed.
red guy 94 I was one of the few who rooted for light, he knew that once he died he would suffer but even doing so he sacrificed himself to get rid of people who deserved to die but because killing even horrible people is looked down upon would do more bad things. Crime was actually greatly reduced while light was alive, and he only killed innocent people when they tried to interfere with the peace he created. His whole god complex is what his mind did to protect itself from knowing what he was doing made him horrible, if he was himself he wouldn’t be able to stomach doing it but since he deluded himself into believing he was a god he was able to help create peace. L was an asshole, he didn’t give a damn if people died he just wanted to do what he wanted to do while going “I’m justice”. Right when he got to the orphanage he beat the shit out of everyone before claiming that no one should interfere with him because he is justice. Every time he was nice to light he was manipulating him; he was never sincere and is a genuine sociopath. Light is good sacrificing itself to help the majority, while L is evil doing good because it feels like it. In the end I like both light and l but when you think about it light is by far the better person with the better goals. Light deluded himself to think he is justice while L truly does believe he is justice, even though neither are. If L was the main character we would clearly see every evil manipulative thing he does, we would see more of his past where he’s a piece of shit while we see Kira wiping out evil and causing peace, more people would see L as the villain because of how death note is written, we think light is evil because we see eveything he does and when you don’t look deep into it he seems evil, while we only get the surface of L
Twilight. Bella.
Nope, even from 1st pov she's hella annoying.
Also, from the Volturi's point of view, she was a threat to vampire society, breaking the rules they had set up to protect vampire-kind by being a human who knows about vampires, and even hangs out with a super-powered Native American tribe who consider vampires to be their mortal enemy.
@@PyroGothNerd Honestly have you read the book? Only reason Volturi had a problem with her (considering she will become a vampire so there is no threat) is that they couldn't aquire Alice and Edward. Because Volturi often look after the gifted and then when they make a thiniest mistake (or they set it up) they kill everyone except the gifted ones by saying they can live if they join Volturi. They tried this in the book but jokes on them Bella has a metal shiled so non of their shit works on them while she is still there, making them pretty usless and being just regular vampires (since Jane and Alec are their strongest members)
@@asobimo5532 Yes, I've read the book. They let Bella live with the promise she would be turned into a vampire. They wanted Edward and Alice for their powers, but they also wanted everyone to follow the rules.
Also, we only get Bella's point of view, so obviously the portrayal of the Volturi is very biased in Bella's favor.
She even as a protagonist is annoying, imagine what would happen if she would be a villain.
Bella is hella annoying
I'm surprised Goku from dragon ball isn't on here. His lust for battle has put his, his friends, and everyone else's life on the line. If he was a side character, no one would resurrect him.
You mean DBS Goku, aka the worst Goku
@@Destiny_Of_Koi The same could be said of DBZ Goku.
@@coroanmon10023 I don't know man, DBZ Goku had the will to fight for others. While DBS Goku just fights to challenge other people.
@The nobody shit isn't fucking funny I mean, he did realize he fucked up at the end
The nobody shit isn't fucking funny
You have to keep in mind that Goku knew he couldn’t really win there, the mistake was giving Cell a Senzu Bean, then he would’ve been in the right and none of that mess would’ve happened.
Billy and Mandy from Grim's point of view. He's just trying to do his job and then gets tricked into becoming enslaved to a pair of selfish children. One's a self-centered idiot the other is a malicious bully, who both abuse and degrade him for laughs.
It really hits home in a Halloween special where the group has to get a special staff but whenever they get close it shows them their biggest nightmares. Then grim is able to walk up to it no both because "I already live through my own nightmare every single day!"
Can't a guy just do his job?
Mandy doesn't count. she's an explicitly evil protagonist; several episodes are actually themed around this.
That's the point of the show even the main character admit it
@Varaug Carsaiboh it'a the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. Good show, one of my favorites when I was younger.
That was the movie.
Ash Ketchum. If someone else was the protagonist in the Pokémon anime, Ash woukd just be the super annoying kid with a Pikachu in the backseat. He also always seems like a beginner- "wut dis pokeymawn" and "ooh wut dat pokeymawnz" and not just have the Pokédex tell him?
So then why do I like Ritchie more than Ash when they’re essentially the same character?
Because his Pikachu has the better haircut?
That's just made me think
There was one kid in the Black and White anime who showed up around the final gym and managed to beat ash in the League with his newly evolved Lucario. He was Cameron and fans hated him
Now I look at Sun and Moons Anime from Hau's Perspective, Ash was this random kid he met in Alola near the beginning and lost to him because of a technicality
Ash is kindof a shitty trainer from a different perspective
Brock's way better
It basically depends on which season it is; the main problem for fans is that Ash keeps getting reset, in the Kanto/Johto he was clearly a beginner who wasn't the brightest but was trying his hardest and learning. In Hoenn/Sinnoh he showed a bit more maturity and helped out May/Dawn where he could with his experience but it was still clear that he had a ways to go.
Black&White is where things went really bad making him act like a total beginner while also referencing him having experience
@Patrick Doran the thing about Cameron is that he is basically what you get when you take most of Ash's postives away and then turn the annoying parts up t eleven... seriously, this is someone who somehow made it to the tournament without being able to count to six; Ash at his worst was not that bad
I'm personally of the opinion that they should have shifted main character after gen 4
Link from Legend of Zelda. He'd be some NPC who goes around robbing peoples houses and breakin their pots. If you try to talk to him he never says anything.
I feel the good that he does kind of out ways pot breaking.😁
@// Laixycon // Toon Link says stuff like "C'mon" and "meow" sometimes
At the first gate to the castle, there is a very brief window where you can bribe the guard to open the gate (after ganondorf chases after zelda i believe).
well, until he starts grunting like a caveman
That Link never talks is part of why Revali dislikes him.
Why the hell do people keep blaming Dorothy for manslaughter? Last I checked, she didn't cause the tornado that tore her house out of the ground
TARINunit9 THANK YOU! And she had no control over where it landed either.
Ok but glinda the good whitch is pretty suspicious she gave dorothy the ability to go home at the beginning but didn't tell her until she exposed the wizard and killed both the whitches so now she is the only ruler of Oz
@@pencilu3873 True, but only in the movie. In the book, there were two good witches: one who gave Dorothy the slippers, and one who actually knew how to use them. So no nefarious scheme in place, and it was a genuine quest to find out how to get home
Dorothy does war crimes confirmed by J.K Rowling
@@TARINunit9 The Wiz used this version.
Willy Wonka. He forces slaves to work in his unsanitary deathtrap of a factory. And after a day of accidents where several children were injured and/or mutilated, he dumps responsibility of the whole factory onto poor Charlie. Who will also probably be on the hook for hundreds of thousand's of dollars worth of taxes.
williy wonka gave charlie a trade job. willy wonka would own the factory for years while charlie learns it all..and the taxes wonka just had a door busting sale of all his chocolate he is richer than ever. charlie before the golden ticket was poor and starving after he probably became very rich. oh the woe of winning the world for a small act of kindness
always on your tail the price of fines from the safety violations would shut down the factory and leave Charlie’s family in huge debt and poorer than they started.
@@oliviaspring9690 a robot chicken sketch had willy give the rights to Charlie so he can be the fall guy for all the dead children
It was one day he let the kids in the factory.. the kids got hurt because they weren't listening and put them self in the situation even after being told not to..
(Edit:) And oompa loompa are payed with coco beans if I remember right.. because that's what they want
he has no slaves (?
I wonder what The Office would’ve been like if it was told from David Wallace’s perspective. Having Michael Scott as a subordinate, and then having that subordinate being successful despite his incompetence must be, like, a waking nightmare. Don’t even get me started with Season 9 Andy...
Holy crap you're right
How was Scranton the company's highest preforming branch? What were the other branches doing??
You have commented in every video I have seen this year, you are literally everywhere.
Yep i hates the office cus of michael scott, he is very non consistent as a character and get a slap in the wrist for all his misshap
Imagine it from Dwight's perspective. This one guy keeps pranking you and the boss does nothing.
Arkham Asylum hade a really good take on how The Riddler sees Batman.
Where does he get those wonderful toys?
We, the reader, know it's because Bruce Wayne is loaded... but a far more logical conclusion is that Batman Rob's the criminals he 'stops,' so from the outside that pacifism we again know he actually means, instead could be perfectly validly be seen as a messed up form of Catch & Release. Letting an entire city suffer and rot, for profit and glory.
Batman! With the powers of Civil Forfeiture!
**Pow!**
**Bam!**
**Confiscated!**
Woah... you just blew my mind with this!!
Damn
My mind is blown AaaaA
The Jedi Order is basically an army of magical child soldiers that would go on to lead a slave army in a devastating civil war.
finally somebody else gets it
So very much this... The defunct Legends had a very nice backstory for it: 1000+ years prior, there was a devastating war (again) between Jedi and Sith. In this war, you also had the Temple Jedi, an isolationist, ascetic and mystically-inclined sect of light-siders based on Coruscant. These cunt-waffles have looked at the massive civil war burning down the galaxy around them, and went "not our problem, let us contemplate our navels".
As a result of that, when the ashes settled they were one of the most numerous orders of light-siders in the Galaxy. While the Republic was being organized, there was a push to limit the power of force users - during the war, centralized power broke down, and some of the stronger & charismatic Jedi had acquired control/rule over their local sections of the galaxy. That was nice while everything was burning, but suddenly this was no longer politically palatable to the bog-standard mortals, because no sane politician vying for leadership wants to compete on an even footing with a space wizard.
So the apathetic philosophies of the Temple Jedi seemed very convenient to the politicos of the era; they got promoted as "the one true Jedi Order", and the few, scattered survivors of the more involved orders (who just won the fucking galactic war for them, by the way) got told to either bend over, or stop being Jedi.
All the highly dubious policies of the prequel-era Jedi Order are remnants of the Temple Jedi. Induct only babies & young children into the cult? Temple Jedi. Have neither possessions or attachments, to the point of sociopathy? Temple Jedi. Have zero problems bending other people's minds for your own benefit, sorry, their own benefit and/or will of the Force? Temple Jedi. Have no desire for personal advancement, just go mediate conflicts when told for the benefit of the Republic? Temple Jedi, with a smattering of the deal they cut with the Senate for supremacy.
thats why im always sith in the games lol.
@@ludwigvxnhentai3299 Also there's the whole cooler powers thing.😁👍
@@GR1338 That is incidental as my boy Sheev would not have been able to orchestrate their involvement in the Clone Wars if the Jedi Order had not joined the Republic. There's 1st responsibility was to serve the will of the force, but that conflicted with their service to the Republic. They should have remained independent.
Friends - all of them. Relentlessly mocked Joey for appearing in an std awareness programme, Chandler - kissed his b set friends gf, Phoebe - cheated on two very nice guys (a fireman and an elementary school teacher) then attempted to play them off on each other for who "gets to date" her Rachel - vacuous, selfish, returns all gifts for store credit, walked out on a wedding instead of being honest with her fiance, then cheats with him on her former best friend, Joey - cheats and lies as a matter of course, monica - attempts to date her exes son, attempts to commit fraud (and eventually suceeds) in adoption process - Ross - plays the victim after humiliating Emily in front of all her friends and family, then nearly goes on honeymoon trip with said person. Nasty people
Friends = Trash
what about chandler
@@kiwi-nu8qo He had he fewest things on his list but he kissed his best friend's GF.
You forgot that Joey sponged an exorbitant amount of money off of Chandler over the course of the show.
Isn't them being horrible people part of the sitcom? Idk that's the impression I always got
Also, in Far Cry 4, at the beginning, if you don't leave the meal for like 15 minutes, Pagon Minn comes back and explains to you that he is too corrupt to rule the country, and that because he was so in love with your mother, he's handing his seat of power over to you, because he believes you will be a just leader.
Best ending ever
Johnny Test if just about every other character was the main one like her sisters.
Let that sink in for a moment
Dexters laboratory but slightly changed
@@pyromare4879 How's Dexter bad ? He keeps to himself.
Alex Ursu well he is horrible to his sister and doesn’t help society with hiss inventions
@@pyromare4879 His sister intentionally destroys his inventions and he tries to help. Remember that he's not even near highschool, so his thoughts are still those of a kid. Sure. He's not exactly in the best health ( I DO remember the college episode ), but do you ACTUALLY think he wouldn't dedicate his inventions for the help of humanity as an adult ?
Alex Ursu probably and I’ve haven’t seen dexters lab in years so i forgot she destroys them so he has reason to not want her in his lab
The anime protagonist who gets powerups out of nowhere but from the perspective from soemone who actually bothered to train and practiced a lot of years to master said technique, only for that to not work and the other guy does it by power ups.
getting goku vibes here
@@toby257did you watched Dragon Ball?
Also dont forget that they would rather have a party of every female characters and doesnt bother to save the world but focus on working on a harem
Jake Sully from Avatar. HE LITERALLY BETRAYED THE HUMAN RACE TO A BUNCH OF HIPPIE ALIENS
For them hair coochie
He simped so hard he betrayed the human race.
I blame the whole science crew. They had one job, all they needed to do was convince the navi to not attack the humans while they mined under the tree. Yes we have the technology to mine under a tree without harming it.
@Varaug Carsaib I think that was doomed to failure, due to the tree being sacred to them AND also being their leader/goddess.
Even so, you're right, he never made the attempt. I did love the marine's quote about humanity though.
Yeah, it wasn't his fault that peace was never an option, but it was his fault that the humans lost the resulting war. Whenever there's a war, each side is going to be a villain in someone's story.
Fairy Tail from the people of Magnolia and the council’s perspective. Always going overboard and causing chaos like the time with lullaby when Erza, Grey and Natsu destroyed the entire town. Or when Natsu and Lucy sank that mansion. Or when Natsu stole the king of Fiore’s crown. Or when that dragon lady tried to use Natsu to create a dragon because of a promise he made to an entire town the he forgot. Or the very first episode when Natsu and Lucy trashed the port of Hargeon. Or when he, Lucy and Happy went on that dangerous S-class quest on Galuna island? Or when he got Gajeel trapped in a tunnel system during the grand magic games. He’s a good guy and a hero for the most part but let’s not forget that the way he went about some things recklessly could have ended up endangering the lives of many people.
Well, that's why people like and hate the FairyTail guild. Wrecking something while doing something good... i mean, the only arc they destroyed something for the sake of humanity was Tartaros arc.
This is exactly what I was thinking!
Never mind Bella, what about Edward.... WAAAAY to old to be going to high school and having a relationship with an under-aged girl
All the Cullens really. I doesn't take that much work to pass as say 22. Even if they were all turned in late teens. Why the hell are they continually going to high school? That sounds like it's asking for trouble. Bored vegan vampires surrounded by hormonal teens. What could possibly go wrong?
@silver3981 Problem isn't about him and Bella being comparable in age, the problem is that she's still a teenager, so he's basically a pedophile. If she was an adult, then while it'd still look weird, it wouldn't look so manipulative and creepy.
And remember the time Edward watched Bella sleep? Made me go on Team Jacob for the rest of the series cause of that scene
silver3981 Indeed.
My stance on age gaps with immortal characters is that how old they look and act is what matters, because the issue with age gaps is the older party potentially taking advantage of the younger one. Edward looks and acts around Bella’s age, and while he’s a creepy little shit, he’s a creepy little shit in the way a boy her age would be, not in the way a mortal, aging man his actual age would be. So while Twilight is creepy and fucked up, Edward’s chronological age has nothing to do with it, in my book.
@@agirlinsearchof9057 But how would it be different if he acted like a mortal, aging man?
His chronological age has something to do with it because he has vast mental experience (and in all other forms; power) over her.
Caillou is actually pretty normal, The biggest problem there is that none of the adults ever discipline him or tell him to behave.
Cailou is a terrible character.
@@philithegamer8265he would have been better as a villain... imagine him ruling the world
There is a dark theory that he's dying from cancer.
Okay, now hold on a minute. Anybody who read 'Wicked' and thought Elphaba was a 'good guy' is really not paying attention. Wicked made Elphie *sympathetic* in some ways, sure, but the whole story was extremely grimdark. There was no black-and-white, but there were plenty of 'black' characters in among the moral-grey that passed for 'the good guys'. Look no further than how Elphaba treated Liir to see that she is *not* a good guy from anyone's perspective -- just a less-bad one from her own perspective.
Yea, people mistake sympathetic villains for good guys and victims
Yeah, I wonder if this person just saw the musical and assumed the book was the same.
Definitely a case of "Everyone is wrong but me" in a character.
Most people watched the musical rather than reading the book, though.
Alyssa Davidson Exactly. She’s not good but she’s not bad either. Almost every character in the book is morally gray and just trying to survive with the hand they’ve been dealt.
I think basically any Tsundere girl.
They insult a lot (specially if you try to approach them) and they even hit you when you do/say something they don’t like, and don’t apologize for any harm they make. I know, handling those things isn’t their thing, but hey, at least they could say “damn, sorry about kicking you down the stairs, calling you an idiot and then stop talking to you until I deemed it enough”.
Not heartwarming speeches nor homemade cookies. Just a simple and quick apology for constantly treating someone so badly.
From a bystander pov, or a real life one, their complete behavior would be something you’d find on those posters of red flags and toxic relationship awareness
Pretty much every BATTLE HAREM protagonist, from an Outsider's perspective. "That social outcast is suddenly getting super popular with the pretty(?)/famous/STRONK people. WTH?"
That already happens in every harem manga/anime
Also every tsundere from said harem anime. They are violent and downright abusive, so for them to win the war of love against the other girls competing (cause 99% of the time, there's a tsundere in the harem, be they the main female lead or not) is unfair for the girls that actually treat the guy with respect, especially those childhood friends.
@@supersonicmario56 history and fire emblem are examples as to.why harems are bad.
Thor/Odin from Loki's perspective.
Almost from the scene of Thor's coronation, we see that Loki has always been in Thor's shadow. If you watch the deleted scenes, it's even clearer that Loki was emotionally abused by Odin and physically abused by Thor.
Hold on Thor abused Loki?
Adventure time from pbs point of view.
She creates a whole lot of beings that are alive and feel. Sheade them weak and practically unable to defend themselves. She experimented on the people she made. She saved no one.
She also strung along marceline like a toy out the bus window. She used fin like a used sock. She could have helped ice king but she didnt, she had to know he was simon because of marci.
I relate to PD. I typed a huge speech and deleted it to type this. Huge mental breakthrough.
She gets better later
ZodiacMoon True, but I would have much preferred if she became a villain.
Now that I think about it, Ruby from Max and Ruby was super annoying! All she'd do is whine and want to hang out with her friends, even though she's supposed to be her seemingly 4-year-old brother's guardian. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if she was actually 16, even though the legal guardianship age in the US is 18.
In her defense, it’s probably pretty hard to try and be a normal child when you have to keep an eye on your developmentally disabled little brother.
Ruby is a 7 year old
@@tobygillings1812 Ah, that makes sense.
@@tobygillings1812 That makes it even worse!
She literally made the excuse that "princesses are sensitive" while calling herself a princess to stop Max from annoying her.
The main character who is divorced and has a son from the point of view of the other guy. You are in a relationship with a woman who got out from a bad relationship, you get along fine with her son and really want to see him as your own. Suddenly her jerk ex does something that reminded her why she fell for him and abandons you.
worse, you're a buisness man who's going to get married but then she sees her "childhood friend" accidentally and is now staying in the same neighborhood and let's not forget that he is hunky, and if you dare try to focus on your marriage and did not see that your wife has changed her mind like she just changed her t-shirt, it's over, oh and also your in-laws basically ships them together and now that your love life is over nobody ever talks to you or thinks about you and you're either moved away by force because of the havoc that all this mess caused or you HAVE to move yourself and thus quit your very stable lifestyle because your ex-fiance is literally fucking the neighbor and getting married
and most of the time this type of story happens in christmas so thanks for the yearly reminder of that heartbreak
This is why I liked Mrs Doubtfire
The ex is likeable, but at the end of the day they divorced for a reason, his disguise as Mrs Doubtfire made things arguably worse
They never got back together but in the end, they reconciled and he's able to look after their children
Apparently in the original script it would've been exactly that clichéd story, but after a divorce the script was changed to not give kids of divorced parents false hope
9:45 Back in the days when Cartoon Network ran marathons, I spent a day cataloging all acts of violence, and who launched them. Jerry initiated 3 times more often than Tom. This excludes any other actors - dogs, other cats, other mice, w/e. Just Tom & Jerry.
I always wanted Tom to win. >:( Friggin; mouse...
Walker Texas Ranger from the view of an internal affaires investigator. "So you caught the guy. He surrendered. So you then put your gun away, challenged him to a fist fight, before beating the stuffing out of him? And you do this on a weekly basis?"
He's Walker. He catches the bad guy!
@Warvvolf He puts lives at risk because he wants every criminal he brings in to have to go to the hospital or the morgue. He's left so many bodies that any internal affairs investigator should be thinking they're dealing with a serial killer because every time he goes off alone, either the suspect comes back beaten senseless, or dead.
And we see why that is. If he has someone captured, he will intentionally try to get the suspect to fight him. He's for all intent and purpose a very bad cop who should've been arrested or at worst let go, early into his career as soon as his phycopathic nature was revealed.
@@Raintamp You didn't catch the reference. That's ok, not everyone warched Fresh off the Boat.
Everyone hates Kirito, he can do it all and faces little challenge, and when he does, he defeats the challenge with ease
Kirito was a Beta Tester. He could have spoken up and tried to share his knowledge with the other players so more people could survive. Instead, he did nothing and lots of people died when they got careless or didn’t understand the game mechanics.
Plus, if he was so powerful, why’d he take umpteen days off for a romantic getaway with Asuna while the survivors were busting their asses to escape the game? Priorities!!
@@alphabladelm2011 and let's not forget when he had the perfect opportunity to save everyone in the game, but wasted it on his game daughter
Everyone would kick his ass if they found that out
That really isn't the case at all though.
During Aincrad he was faced with plenty of challenges that he wouldn't necessarily overcome, like Sachi's death.
He didn't solo The Gleam Eyes like everyone likes to say he did. There were multiple other people fighting as well who had whittled the bosses HP down a fair bit. Yes he did a lot of damage, and you could consider him overpowered in that one singular instance, but it makes sense in the context of the story.
He lost both his fights against Kayaba, only killing him in the second fight by using incarnation to prolong his life long enough.
During fairy dance he died trying to solo the world tree, and only defeated Sugo because of Kayaba giving him admin rights.
In Phantom Bullet He struggles with his fight against Death Gun, only winning with Sinon's help.
He never once defeats Yuki in Mother's Rosario, and died fighting off an entire boss raid because obviously he would.
Through Alicization he struggles through his fight with Ugachi, due to not being used to dealing with pain during fights.
He sustains multiple injuries fighting the Integrity Knights, even losing to Eugeo, who had been taught by Kirito himself.
He is near mortally wounded by the Sword Golem, and barely makes it out of his fight with Administrator, losing his right arm in the process, and at the cost of Eugeo's life.
So I wouldn't quite say he faces little challenge, or that he overcomes them with ease.
It would probably be the opposite if he was just a side character, used for gags and playing into the tropes that he himself has helped build.
Johnny Joestar
Funny Valentine is just protecting his country. Johnny just wants a pair of working legs.
To be fair valentine was just a little tiny tad
M E N T A L
There's a lot I could say about how protecting his country does *not* work as a justification for what funny valentine does, but to save me some time I recommend watching "the convincing villain of funny valentine" by oceaniz as it explains it better than I could.
Joseph Joestar or Bruno if Diavolo was the protagonist
He and his team would just seem like another la squadra
Johnny has the power of Jesus
Johnny: Hey gyro Jesus told me to kill the president
All the avengers if Thanos was the main character
That was infinity war in a nutshell
I mean thanos was the villain, I would assume all good guys are annoying from the villains perspective. Especially villains who think they’re in the right.
I hate avengers anyways and like thanos.
thanos is basically the villain protagonist of infinity war
Thanos did Nothing Wrong
Tanya Degurechaff from Youjo Senki. The title literally calls her evil, and it's completely justified - she used trickery and legal loopholes to commit war crimes without actually breaking the rules of conflict. She sent soldiers who disobeyed her orders to certain death. At one point she literally ordered a large group of civilian refugees to be killed in order to tie up loose ends and prevent them from coming back later full of hatred; not only that, she made the soldier suffering from PTSD do it, just to prove a point. Her crusade against God (who is, admittedly, also portrayed as an uncaring self-absorbed dick) puts her and everyone else in danger. And despite claiming to ultimately despise war and violence, she seems to revel in battle with psychotic glee.
But she's also the protagonist, and so the reader can't help but root for her. Youjo Senki is a great example of "the plot decides who's right" principle.
Well, youjo senki is one of the animes that have the villian as protagonist... like you Said, her being evil is even in the title...
Sounded alot like Stalin
@@EagleEye-rw5pn , Joseph there suffered bombings from Tanya in the novel
Yes!! I wanted a Season 2 to this where Tanya is put in her place and she falls out of God's favor or sth...it seems impossible though
One piece, told from the marines perspective is a story about a straw hated boy's dangerous rise to power.
True. Eventhough the world govt is garbage, the marines still try to make the world a better place. Many pirates are cruel and horrible and the marines are just trying to make life run smoothly for the people whose islands they protect
@@thedoublehelix5661 Aye
bs if anything the world gov should love straw hat. my problem with one piece is that straw hat seems to not understand what a pirate is much less what they do. he goes around crushing every pirate he finds and leaves then easy pick up for the marines. he doesn't even collect the LARGE reward money for any of these people.
@@alwaysonyourtail2563 on the contrary, Luffy's understanding of pirates is the same as that of Gol D. Roger and what motivates him to pursue One Piece. That being a pirate is to be free (from everything including laws) and to be the King of the Pirates is what will give him the greatest freedom.
That some pirates are evil and choose to do bad things is also their freedom. I see no contradiction in Luffy's definition and what pirates are being.
@@EmJeRo14 I agree. In one piece, a pirate is a man free to do as he pleases
about the cop stuff. had this happen to me in real life! i was a firefighter. and the mayors house was set on fire. they came after me because I was on duty that night. saying i was trying to kill him and his family for cutting our pay. kept telling them I am a volunteer, I don't get payed! also live in a different city so his laws he passes does not effect me! after 2 hours of them ripping into me. showing pics of the kids, and how they was hurt. (I was at the fire, I treated the family burns) turns out they had the guy in another jail, in another city for a different crime. he said he did it because of some new law BS. when they got news of the guy they still detained me for 24 hours. to they could drive 30 mins to the next city over and interview him. came back and didn't even say sorry or anything just a "we are watching you! best not mess up!" tried to sue, but they was in legal rights to hold me. quit the next week. was a volunteer for 10 years, but two asshole cops ruin my love of it.
Are you okay now buddy?
Wow that's f**k up. Hope you let the Mayor, the other firefighters and cops know why you quit.
Piccolo: He may have been your father, but he wasn't your daddy.
Gohan: You're my father, Mr. Piccolo. Always have.
Joseph Joestar from literally anyone’s perspective.
I don’t know why I laughed at this
@Zachary Preval
In part 3 he literally attacked a Japanese guy because some unrelated Japanese guy married his "only" child.
In part 4 he literally cheated on his wife.
Joseph is a good guy but still a dickhead.
@Zachary Preval How was he not cool during part 2?
Part 2 Joseph would be super annyoing to argue with, let alone fight
What about Jotaro has he always been a good guy? I think I’ve only watched one episode...
I'd love to see the Kirby series from a Waddle Dee's perspective. Pure horror game.
OMG JoJo's Bizzarre Adventure Stone Ocean from Pucci's perspective. Here is a preist trying to go to heaven and a delinquent kid tries to kill him.
fitting name, keep doing the Lords work
Is that a Jojo refrence
Yare yare.
A gay priest who wants to achieve heaven so he could create the perfect world? Basically what Dio wanted but with more death?
Steel Ball Run as well, I'm sure we could have made so many excuses for Funny Valentine if he was the protagonist.
Caillou and his whiney self
The viewers hate him anyway.
I hate him anyway
I would upvote this 10 times.
ArnellaMaturin this is youtube comments not reddit they are likes
@@pyromare4879 I would upvote it 100 more times.
I mean, "How I Met Your Mother" GAVE us an example of Ted from another person's perspective. It was called, "The Wedding Bride".
Not really. That episode was extremely exaggerated and clearly seen from the POV who didn't have all the details.
I think the Saint Patrick's Day episode is a really good example of Ted's flaws.
@@reasyrandom Agree, Ted was left at the altar by the woman he loved and to rub salt in the wound they monetize the story portraying as a jerk who deserved to be loved.
@@Hektols "The Wedding Bride" is easily one of my least favorite episodes because of this. It utterly ruined Stella's character without her even appearing and is also a bad representation of mass opinions. The movie is deliberately cliched, obnoxious and poorly-written, yet everyone but the main characters loved it for some reason.
@@reasyrandom You don't know that, seeing as Ted iss the one who literally narrates the entire series. It's entirely possible he is a colossal douchecanoe of Ross Geller proportions, and is only SAYING he's the lovable Raymond type.
Naruto from the point of view of one of the Academy students who didn't pass the test of the jonin senseis.
The class clown who skipped class, made annoying pranks and failed the Academy tests got into a team with the best students, becomes a ninja, somehow becomes able to beat the best student of the previous year, gets a legendary Sanin to train him for three years, when he returns instead of doing low ranking missions as other genins he is given chuunin/jonin ranked missions and while he gets even more exclusive training a bad guy looking for him appears and destroys the village but he defeats and becomes a hero. Then a war where all the villages have to protect him starts and he manages to win it becoming a bigger hero and getting a pardon for his traitorous friend. Then his sensei becomes the Hokage and in an act of nepotism appoints him as his successor.
Well I don't think a lot of people envious his missions mission A or S are death sentences for weak ninjas the war was for protection of the ultimate weapons (the bijus) naruto save konoha and the hokage choose the next hokage
I agree with what you said. Naruto was neglected and hated. So why bother to get the attention of who hates him? Why didn't he try to improve himself instead of pulling pranks and getting himself more haters? He could've became stronger by learning in class and practicing but he decided to waste his own time by pulling pranks and being a nuisance. He hated Sasuke for minding his own business. To be frank, he would never have passed academy if it wasn't for Mitsuki's attempted assassination. He wouldn't have became a genin if Sasuke never thought out of the box and shoved the food in his mouth. He wouldn't have made it passed the mission in the Mist if it wasn't for Kurama. It goes the same for the Chunin exams. Even after getting betrayed by his friend he still wants to get him back. Even knowing there is no way Konoha would want a dangerous Uchiha criminal there. He's just an obnoxious blockhead with too much luck and power with him. He made friends but had he ever thought about their feelings when he rush into dangers because he wanted to? I don't even know why and how did the people in Konoha will accept him after the troubles he brought there. Attack from Pein? It was targeted for him. And many were traumatized by the attack 'deaths'. When did they get forgetful enough to dismiss it? Coz the last time I remembered they've never forgiven him for 'killing' their villagers and Hokage.
@@lucius8689 well I mean he also was the one who went to go find Nagato and brought everyone back to life. He also wasnt really in the village when Pain got there and just started fuckin shit up..
Well to be fair he didn’t have control over his teammates. He opposed but was told that it was for the sake of balance (the worst with the best). And for the Pain incident, he faced the enemy and didn’t have other people fight for him to protect him (willingly, at least. Hinata ran in on her own even after he specified he didn’t want anyone around)
Except you'd likely be dead if not for Naruto so maybe you keep your mouth shut.
The main player from the saints row series. Imagine your a police officer or a normal citizen in steelport/Stillwater and your day is horribly ruined by the leaser of a gang fighting another gang because they dis something they dident like or they were selling something that they shouldn't be selling. Imagine your best freind being killed by the boss of that gang because he was just another cop in his way. Imagine your brother died because he was driving down the road that the boss was going down and crushed to death because the boss hit his car trying to push him out of the way.
Are you seriously questioning the methods of the Boss? Gat's gonna make change outta yo five dolla ass.
Imagine finding out that the president of United States that turned the White House into a Strip Club, solved World Hunger/Cured Cancer and saved the earth from an alien invasion is the same gangster that killed your brother.
@@LordofSadFac _This is what it feels like to chew 5 gum._
Hell, the audio logs go over that in SR4
Gabriella from Highchool Musical and Sharpay as the good guy. Sharpay works very hard and have been since a child to pursue her dream in broadway . Gabriella comes around and takes her spot cause everyone loves Troy . Even though Gabriella was late and ran off she had still gotten the role unfairly. Sharpay looks at a person for who they are at the end of the day unlike everyone else including Gabriella. They either hated Sharpay cause she's rich to the point they don't acknowledge her hard work or they love her cause she's rich so they may even want to use her . Sharpay suffers from child neglect obviously but never became ignorant and out of control nor selfish but Gabriella is allowed to cause she's the main even though she have a good family life , great education and popular bf and not as hardworking as Sharpay Evans. Gabriella and everyone ignorantly believes Sharpay have a great life cause her parents are rich even though her own mother doesn't even like her enough to listen to her besides her brother and parents constantly busy. Sharpay gets bullied by everyone yet stands her ground but if she makes a statement then she's evil . Sharpay helps Troy and Troy distances himself from his friends along with Gabriella by his own will yet somehow Sharpay is the bad guy . Sharpay even lets his friends stay to work there at her family resort even though they all hate her . Everything was honestly wrong. Sharpay deserved better and luckily she found a man on Sharpay fabulous adventure who helped her adjust to a knew life and was patient with her .
preach!! I always loved Sharpay better, I felt like Gabriella was a bit self centered
Passengers. It would have made a great psych-horror/thriller movie if it were told from Aurora's (love interest) perspective. We would have hated Chris Pratt's character since he is essentially a murderer, but no, Chris is the main character here, so we all sympathise with him because he's lonely and a horndog.
bruh I was watching that movie and it made me SO mad
The thing with Passanger is that the guy( forgot his name) was completly alone just with a robot to talk to on a ship full of hibernating people.
Loneliness is hella painfull as it is even more so when there are other people around that you cant reach.
Im not saying he's innocent, he basically took Aurora's life away but his actions are pretty understandable.
@@user-pi3hd2bt3f yeah, but it had a lot more potential if the perspective was flipped.
Ironically, since you had Kirito as the thumbnail, he’s pretty much unanimously hated even by people who LIKE the show. He’s a bland, overpowered badass for no reason other than he’s the main character.
HOWEVER, in the Sleeping Knights arc of the show, his girlfriend Asuna is the main character, and Kirito takes the role of the “nerdy friend”, and it suits him WAY better. He’s a really good character in that arc
And in the Fatal Bullet video game, he’s actually your *rival* character. Like the Gary Oak of the game, who’s just way too good, and you’re kinda friends, but you also just want to kick his ass. And he’s a pretty great character in that too
If SAO was from Klein’s perspective, and Kirito was just his badass, but super socially awkward friend, I think he’d be a fan favourite
Sao would be enjoyable if klien is portagonist .
@@someguywithabirdface2583 Klein? The loser who has no clue what he's doing.
I always feel like people reduce Kirito down to "oh some overpowered boring mc."
Like the point was his emotional struggle. Villified and ostricized at the very beginning, then he finally opens up again, only to lose the epople he opened up to. Picking up the pieces of his life and trying to be okay. Meeting Asuna and then not just learning to bond again but even finding happiness.
And honestly its been a while since I watched the aincrad arc but the later arcs that show Kirito's PTSD are actually really good.
Protagonist from life is strange...
That story is a piece of work.
not a good one
How so? It's my favorite game so I'm really curious?
@@ej-epicjourney5351 I couldn't play through all the game because of Chloe. So maybe the characters redeem themselves in some way.
I would not keep a friend like Chloe. I hated that Max put up with her I couldn't stand it so I stopped playing (pretty early in the game). Played the game in college at a friends. Just not my cup of tea, It's ok for other people to like it I just can't get over my outright contempt for Chloe and Max for putting up with her.
ethograb I guess...
@@ej-epicjourney5351 I honestly mean no offense. Just for me personally I like friendships that are more like persona 4. In that story friends bolster each other up. To me it seemed like Chloe only ever took what she needed from Max and never really cared about her.
Persona 4 everyone has problems but they work through it and they help each other out. There isn't any one character that drags them via manipulation or guilt tripping at least not to the degree Chloe engages in.
Kind of obvious, but Rick Sanchez
especially from Jerry’s perspective
Relevant because of your profile pic: but Mabel. I love her, but Jesus, she's terrible.
If the show was called morty and rick instead of vice versa, he'd be hated. Like a crappier version of finns dad from adventure time
Even Rick Sanchez hates Rick Sanchez.
Everyone knows he’s a dick, and if you don’t you’ve missed the point of the show.
I disagree with the one about Batman. It's not his job to decide how criminals should be punished, it's the cities. It's on the city they never decided to execute Joker or any of the other criminals after Batman captured them. Just elect a mayor who is pro death penalty if that's what you want.
True. Batman isn't judge, jury or executioner. He's just the one that puts them before the judge.
That's actually a great point. If Gotham is always getting slammed by the Joker and others, why have they never elected someone who wanted to execute them?
Gotham is for sure a Democrat strong hold.
That's what I've been saying
The comment I was looking for. Not batman's fault the city won't do jack sh*t. We don't blame cops when a dangerous criminal is released.
Goku from the Dragon ball series. Especially after he started the tournament of power and didn't even care about how many lives would be lost from it as long as he gets to fight strong opponents.
again zeno was going do the erase thing to begin with it just goku gave people a fighting chance
frank spick
Goku didn’t know that though. That’d be like if someone punched me in the face. Causing me to miss my flight. Which ended up crashing and killing everyone on board. While the guy saved my life he’s still an asshole.
@@TheAniSi Goku also didn't know that the losers were going to have their universes' erased when he suggested it
Deathnotefan97
But he did have Beerus telling him multiple times that Zeno was dangerous and was not to be trusted.
Goku has never even kissed his wife...
No one's mentioning the most obvious. Any form of military in most zombie media.
Person was just bitten? Execute them, to prevent spread of said infection.
Trying to keep a zombie locked up for study? Maybe not, since it could do an insane amount of damage.
People rebelling because they want to do something dangerous? Summary execution, what they wanted to do would've ruined our safety or killed a lot of us
I always question why they're treated as the bad guys, when what they do generally makes sense to survive
Military in such movies always is stupid and/or powerhungry.
Eren Yeager.
Literally the sole reason Gabi exists as a character is to give you the same character with the context flipped on its head.
*Cloud Strife.* Final Fantasy 7 literally starts with him planting a bomb that destroys a significant part of a highly populated city, and it's implied he and the rest of AVALANCHE been doing similar stuff for a while. To a random citizen of Midgar, even if they _did_ somehow hear about him saving the world from Sephiroth, in their eyes excusing him for that would probably be like excusing Osama Bin Laden for taking down Hitler or something.
Cloud just started working for AVALANCHE, plus they probably only detonated the bombs once every civilian was out of range, shinra on the other hand was worse, they dropped a massive structure on a whole district, killing thousands of people
samonte banks I thought it was the bomb that took down that structure, but, well, it has been a while since I played last, I'll admit.
Reeve, through Cait Sith, explains to Barrett and Cloud that the reactors they destroyed killed hundreds of people in the explosions. Barrett tried to justify it saying it was for the good of the planet, and Reeve says that AVALANCHE was no better than Shinra in that regard. I forgot exactly when they have that conversation, but I think it was in Disc 2.
AVALANCHE is outright referred to as a terrorist organization in some descriptions of the game. Plus, like another comment said, Reeve calls out Barret on the lives lost in the attacks, to which he can only meekly respond with a wishy-washy answer about how some things need to be sacrificed for the good of the Planet. Even Barret wasn't sure he was doing the right thing anymore.
I really liked how the remake portrayed how the Midgar citizens feel about avalanche.
Also let’s not forget in the original where Cloud gives Sephiroth the black materia and proceeds to beat Aerith, and then give Sephiroth the black materia again after taking it back.
I told a friend of mine:
Yugioh (original) from Ryo Bakura's perspective.
- why are card games so life and death important and why are my friends continually taking my things
Pokémon from team rocket's viewpoint. They've gone trought so much, while Ash and his little friends are just playing and enjoying their lives.
I mean, they are trying to robe someone's (the same guy 99% of the time) housepets
Well, they are trying to steal from those kids.
Is this bad?
Team rocket
Mate come on from the few episodes of Pokémon that has been focused solely on them
We get so much more drama and actual character growth
I’m tired off Following ash
Let me watch James Jessie and Meowth some how build a giant robot
Or
How they spend time with there Pokémon
LIKE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING
No matter who's perspective it is Team Rocket is still terrible
@Jessica Raven I guess but even then it wouldn't justify their motivations being good
Team rocket are absolutely terrible. But, at the same time, they put WORK into their schemes. Half the time, they aren’t committing crime, they’re raising money to build their ridiculous robots through normal jobs. My favourite part of the sinnoh Pokemon league is just seeing James be really fucking good at marketing and making a profit. Then you have ash, a child who always gets in the way of their work. Yes, their work is robbery and effectively kidnapping, but it’s still their work. Every time, this child ruins their plans after all the time and money they spent on it. They’ve tried focused attacks to take him out but nothing works. Ash has undoubtedly put the trio into financial ruin.
What I’m saying is that with a certain twist, you can make ash look like a c u n t.
Team rocket has 2 modes. There's the "we need some conflict for this episode so lets just use them" and "let's let them be actual characters". In the first case, they tend to be very obnoxious, stupid, and unlikable, but in episode's where they are the second case, then they are honestly the best written characters in the show. Jesse was 100% the best performer when they did the pokemon contests and James is probably the best trainer in the series.
This aged well. Ash is gone now.
Goku. Let’s have a look at it from Piccolos perspective.
This guy constantly puts the entire universe at stake just so he can have a good fight.
Then his son that you’ve come to care for has now been thrown in the deep end to fight this bug monster even though his father might have actually won, or at least gets close. Then gives said creature a bean that instantly heals his injuries.
That same father dies and refuses to come back and raise his teenage and unborn sons. Leaving his unemployed wife to raise two children on her own. (Lucky her fathers rich).
Then seven years later he comes back. Did he have a change of heart? No! He just wanted to have a good fight. Then after this asshole let’s himself be possessed instead of focusing on the main threat. They play right into the enemies hands. And when a god calls them out, Goku threatens to kill him.
And later on he has a fantastic opportunity to kill a monster that threatens the earth. But instead leaves it to his seven year old son and his friend. Then his time runs out and forces you to train them further.
Joseph Joestar okay I agree with everything you said about the cell games arc about Goku but the reason he didn’t kill buu in ssj3 was because he was gonna run out of time and if his time ran out without him teaching the fusion dance to the boys the earth would’ve been screwed . If it wasn’t for Vegeta he would’ve killed Buu the first time cause he wouldn’t to have worried about time
Let's not forget that Goku killed him/his dad.
But that means we'd have to overlook him kidnapped a child after killing his dad before abusing said child. He then basically Stockholm syndromed his way into being the child's best friend.
Stalin. If we look through *[DATA EXPUNGED]* perspective Stalin’s pretty *[REDACTED]*
He is so redacted like wtf
WWII from the Soviet perspective is pure horror in general
I'd like this but it's at 69 likes.
Don't forget Mao, Columbus, Che, Patton...
If Phineas and Ferb were a teen drama told through Candace's POV, we would see them differently.
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Gods I hate this trope so much. My Parents love cop shows(NCIS, Criminal Minds, etc)and seeing some of the stuff those cops pull is just insane, and even in our real world, where some cops get away with a lot of crud, they would be in jail so fast, probably protesting that they were just doing their jobs.
One example I saw recently, in NCIS, the criminal of the episode had hired someone to kill someone else, they failed, but crippled the other guy, but there was no proof, and I think the assassin died in the attempt, so no confession there either. So the wife of the crippled man kidnaps the guy, ties him to a thing she claims is a bomb, and the NCIS crew comes in, finds them and her standing there, and then says they're gonna hold off on the bomb squad call until he confesses, which obviously he does(Turns out the bomb was a fake anyway, something Gibs was aware of somehow)
Not only would any good lawyer get a confession like that thrown out so fast it would make the head spin, the woman would be going to jail, and the entire crew would lose their authority, and likely face brig time and dismissal all over, the whole department would get a shake up, as yes, they've previously established they wear body cams in another episode, so there's evidence(And if said cams stopped working just before this point, well, not only do you have no confession then anyway, but people saw him get kidnapped, so wife's going to jail no matter what you do)
I didnt read this but i loved watching criminal minds bones and law and order any thing in them?
You should try watching The Practice, since it’s told from the perspective of lawyers rather than cops. Stressful and frustrating at times, though.
Rey from star wars, if either Finn or Poe was the main character. We have an interesting, flawed protagonist, and every time they're about to do something great here comes motherfucking Rey to grab all the glory because she just had to be good at everything and the chosen one.
That can also be said about Anakin in the comics.
Rey could have been a great character but they completely wasted her potential.
Mabel from Gravity Falls in Dipper's pov.
dude, I already dislike her ever since that episode where she acted toxic about him begin shorter than her
I think it’s canon that she made another journal about the stuff, which kinda redeems (a little) her selfishness in the series. Also, Sock Opera, Bill says “Who would risk everything they have just for a dumb sibling?” And Mabel actually stops Bill and help so dipper.
I havent seen that for ages but didn't dipper sacrifice kissing that ginger girl (in a carnival) to let mable win a pig?
It was already basically from Dipper's perspective. He was the narrator in the first and last episode, is in every episode. We see all the hell he went through in Weirdmaggedon, and is one of the only (if not, the only) character who is in every episode. But I hate Mabel, and that sorry excuse of an apology for everything she did throughout the series in Lost Legends doesnt cut it.
Dipper is already the main protagonist and he doesn't see Mabel as a villain. And Mabel being the protagonist surely wouldn't change much.
the entire main cast of seinfeld, friends, & it's always sunny except for kramer
Marinette from Miraculous Ladybug. She actively sabotages her crush's relationships with other girls, follows him around everywhere, uses her powers to bully anyone getting too close to him, is inexplicably the best at everything she tries, will throw her friends under the bus if given a chance to talk to her crush, and yet can never get more than a sentence out to him without babbling. The only reason she's so loved is because she's the protagonist and everything she does is painted as amazing.
Goku, at least in the tournament of power and the universe 6 and 7 tournament, and maybe in the android saga. When the universe 6 and 7 tournament ended, Zeno showed up and he encouraged the tournament of power and the tournament of power caused like 9 (I forget exactly how many) universes to get erased and all their inhabitants in them and possibly an extra one (which would have been his own) if a selfish wish was made, and even though all the erased universes got wished back and he would have wished them back himself if he won, there was still an immeasurable amount of stress throughout all the universes competing. Plus, not to mention, say if 17 didn't wish for goku's wish, or frieza won, or even another universe did, there's no telling what would have happened.
The Guy in the showthey said Zeno forgot about the tournament and was just going to erase them anyway because they were bottom universe, but goku made him have a tournament and the tournament made him decide that if the strongest person in all the universe were pure heart then they would be worthy to live
This is why DBZ Goku is better than DBS Goku
To be fair Goku has done questionable things even in DBZ.
A whole planet of namekians are gone
@@fryphilip7474 Didn't they say that Zeno was going to erase a specific number of universes? Before going through with the tournament, I think they were only going to destroy eight or so universes, not potentially all of them.
Spongebob. If it was from Squidward’s perspective, he would be a criminal.
he’s a criminal anyway,,, he burned down bikini bottom several times among other things-
If Percy Jackson had stolen the lightning bolt.
If Dipper doesn't care his sister a lot and continues to do what he wants, dismissing his sister like no mercy at all then he would be a selfish jerk.
Mabel’s is honestly real selfish too though
Short answer: all of them
Long answer: aaaaall of them
Even before titanic was over, I thought Rose was a selfish B!&@# start to finish. Nobody agreed until a decade or so later.
Henry Mills from Once Upon a Time
Imagine some kid knocking on your door, claiming they’re your birth child, telling you that you’re from a different realm, and trying to convince you into going to his town filled with allegedly cursed Fairy Tale characters.
Yeah
Ironic how the thumbnail is the opposite. Sword Art Online would probably be better if Kirito WASN'T the protagonist.
In playing Nathan Drake games I always comment mid-firefight.
"BOY NATHAN DRAKE KILLS A LOT OF PEOPLE!"
that combined with his constant swearing and beleaguered whining about his situation makes him always seem like an antagonist when i'm playing Uncharted.
Yo Nathan, if you just put down the gun and maybe just stopped murdering people, you could probably just become a talkshow host or something and make bank telling crazy stories about your life and the innumerable times you've been shot, tossed out of moving vehicles, or caught yourself on a rickety 2-by-4 over a bottomless chasm. Just don't mention your body count or people will send you to jail.
Makes me think of the line about the body count limit of self defense from freemans mind
Wait... Aren't most of the people he kills actively trying to kill him too?
@@zashgekido5616 yeah, but I think 400 cases of self defense with an automatic weapon might raise some eyebrows
the first game was easily self-defense as all the conflict in the game was sully's fault for blabbing to the cartel he owed money to.
the second game basically would've still happened with or without drake.
third game had the illuminati as the bad guys who were trying to summon demons or something?
i don't know about the vita game or the fourth game since i didn't play them.
@@xsoultillerx You can claim self defense for maybe the first dozen kills, I don't know the plot of the first game, but after several armed shootouts you gotta realize you're willingly causing conflict with psychopaths right?
Light Yagami from Death Note. If it was from L’s perspective, we would see a serial killer who wants to “Clear the world”
Light is both the protagonist and the villain... the story was about the villain... just like infinity war (which is said from Thanos' POV) we don't like Thanos even though we saw it through his eyes... Same goes for Light... even though he's the protagonist he's still the bad guy... so seeing from L's POV doesn't going to change anything...
He started out as a genuinely good person. He was corrupted by the power
@Cosmic space thing He got the death note and instantly decided to kill all criminals. He got corrupted basically instantly.
@@morningstar5493Not everyone agrees that Light is the villain. In my opinion he was overall helping the world more than he was harming it, and L just wanted to take him down because "how dare someone do my job better than I'm doing it?" rather than for the greater good.
The only answer I can think of is "Captain Marvel," but this technically doesn't count since the fans STILL hate her even thought she's the protagonist. Like, that's got to be some sort of sick record or something.
Shazam or the Bitch from Marvel and there was a spelling error
@@joshuabennett8256
Not the Shazam one. People like that Captain Marvel.
Well along those lines there's one arc where when she was still Miss Marvel in the comics that is still a major wtf that caused the Avengers to get slammed for a while. She was brainwashed by a timetraveling alien then he got her knocked up with his reincarnation and the avengers rather than going umm hon you're out of character gave their freaking blessings to it. When she came back she blasted them verbally with both barrels telling them how messed up that was they literally handed her to her rapist
Thats the thing with deadpool 2. How many of those security guys deserved to die? We see some evil prisoners that wade does not have to feel bad if they get their asses kicked and the audience knows that. there are evil mutants so it just felt so odd with how they stop that prison bus and dont seem to feel any pity for those security guys that die or get injured.
It might’ve fit with how Deadpool was originally supposed to be in the comics where he was an actual villain but extremely sarcastic and dickish
Honestly, the movie DOES try to soften it a bit by showing most of the security personal really can't stand mutants and barely seek to do anything beyond keep them under their thumbs while powerless. It's not even something for rehabilitation. The fact that Colossus is fine with sending Deadpool there is actually kinda shitty on his part, especially since he's also fine with them taking a KID there. Not to mention he's very likely aware Deadpool is doomed without his healing factor. The Deadpool films tend to paint the guys Deadpool intentionally hurts as at least assholish enough to not make the audience sorry for them. There's exceptions, like the many civilians caught up in the prisoner transport, but even most of that happened due to Domino rather than Deadpool.
He's a darker, rougher take on a hero, sure, but he's definitely not really one I'd call deserving of being treated as the actual villain.
Deadpool was never really a hero. Sure he did some heroic things occasionally, but he's definitely kills just as many good guys as he did bad guys
Anyone here who says a word about family maters, “go home, go home, go home, go home!” Steve is a good kid, and if he were not a key protagonist, he would be the clumsy nerd who messes up stuff and still would not be hated.
Yeah. I’d say the same about Kimmy from Full House; they always treat her like some nuisance.
But in Family Matters, the Winslows are the main characters, so in this scenerio it would be from Urkle’s perspective
Death Note but from L's perspective. He knew all along that Light was Kira but he never got enough evidence against him no matter how many different tactics he tried.
In the end, Light just out smarted him which led to his death, and because L was the who could of proved Light was Kira and everyone start will believe Light was innocent after all allowing him to gain control of the Kira task force making him unstoppable.
To top it all off, in a deleted scene it shows everyone in front of L's grave with Light lying to everyone saying he's going to "avenge" L by bringing Kira to justice.
Just as everyone except for Light leaves, Light laughs like a manic getting on all 4's on top of L's grave, gloating about how everything went perfectly to plan and about how he finally won.
Needless to say everyone would've hated Light's guts if that was how the series ended (with L the protagonist in this situation).
I dont know why but in my thoughts, I think Ciel Phantomhive from Black Butler would be in.
especially in season two (if claude and aloïs remained the main characters)
@Aniah Rose alois is a psycho
Hannah did absolutely nothing to him still he tortured her
He claims to love Claude yet right after showing his "love" he insults him and is seen being WAAAY too happy when he gets the chance to punish him.
relentlesly just because he knew she would never leave him, he was completly obsessed with Ciel then when he realised Claude liked Ciel more than him he tried to kill Ciel right after he tried to get Sebastian killed.
Thats not personality thats disease
Ash Ketchum because he’s a terrible Pokémon trainer. edit: lol how the hell did he win the Alola league
Also pokemon training in general, Ash, enslaves pokemon and forces them to fight for his financial gain and personal prestige.
*SCiEnCe IS sO amAzInG*
Yeah, after Black and White, things started going downhill...
ZZ Da Weirdo yeah haha....
While he might not be much on the competitive stage, he's amazing on caring about his Pokemon.
Jojo’s Bizzare Adventures Part 7 Steel Ball Run. Jonny Joestar would be hated if he wasn’t the protagonist. If Funny Valentine was the protagonist, everyone would be cheering him on without changing a thing. Even if Funny wasn’t the protagonist and it was given to Gyro Zeppeli, Jonny would still be hated.
Also jotaro cus he's a bit of a bitch
@@tangiehuck4346 nah, he's just a teenager. Joseph I think has the same "problem" as Johnny. I honestly think it makes them better characters
I'd recommend watching "the convincing villainy of funny valentine" by oceaniz for a better explanation, but a few points:
.Funny had no clue what the completed corpse part would do, he was effectively making a huge risk for a vague possibility
. Even when he gets all of them, if he won the situation would be that America prospers while the rest of the world burns (possibly literally), how is that a noble goal?
.also he tried to rape a 15 year old girl
Ed Edd'n Eddy from every other kid (especially Kevin) in that neighborhood
although to be fair none of those kids have common sense not to be fooled by the shit Eddy pulls out again and again
Although the Eds get bad endings so frequently it will probably be easier not to hate them because they almost never get away with their tomfoolery
Mainly just Eddy. The other two fall for his shit every time.
1. The four boys from South Park from the perspective of other South Park elementary students. This is technically already been explained in an episode.
2. Malcolm from Malcolm in Middle through literally regular person who happens too interact with him's PoV (this is explored some throughout the show, but not that much)
3. Star and Marco from Star Vs. The Forces of Evil at the series finale from the perspective of the Mewmans (admittedly, this was explored a tiny bit in the fourth season)
4. Ayano Aishi from Yandere Simulator from the perspective of Taro Yamada and the families of the rivals
5. Carrie from Carrie from the PoV of the families of everyone she killed
Nazarick from Overlord. Part of the charm is that, while evil, we see the NPCs as protective of Ainz and the Guild members from a dystopian version of our world.
To the kingdoms of the New world, Ainz is so magically powerful they may as well be ants under his shoe. He can't be bargained with unless it's on his own terms, and actively tricks people into attacking his home to test it's security features, then hates them for attacking his home.
It would be like existing in the Roman empire, then America, Russia or China show up and using their "atom bombs" to establish just how horribly screwed you are.
Albedo sisters
Hester Shaw in Mortal Engines is my favorite of all time, but even as a protagonist she's villainistic.
-Invades a major city and tries to kill their mayor and most respected figure in history after he killed her parents, without knowing he's her dad and he's been working his entire life to redeem himself from said mistake.
-More or less kidnaps a poor boy who's never seen life in a hard way
-Still tries to kill the same man even after seeing all his redemptive qualities, ends up killing his daughter/her sister instead
-Her kidnapee/new lover finally finds a life he loves, and she is too scared of abandonment to let him truly enjoy it
-She's just some poor scarred girl with a temper problem, mayoress of an elite family is by far a better lover than someone as messed up as her right?
-After abandoning her lover when she sees he was forced into a bad situation involving another girl, tries to sell off the entire city he's now in, and in return she'll get her lover back
-Shoots and murders a few kids after a misunderstanding involving her daughter
-After finally reuniting with her daughter, she abandons her family for the man who saved her from death when she was a kid that she thought was dead
I haven't finished the last book yet, but if it keeps up, it's just Hester doing a lot of Dumb Things because she doesn't know how to react in a positive way to pain.
Raven Queen form Ever After High. (My childhood.) for those of you who don’t know what Ever After High is about, it’s a children cartoon about the kids of fairytales characters who attend a high school called Ever After High do they can fallow in the footsteps of their fairytales
ancestors so they don’t go “poof” (we don’t know what that means but since EAH got cancel before it ever explained it but we can assume it means that they disappear or die.) However, one of students, Raven Queen daughter of the Evil Queen doesn’t want to fallow in her mother foot step and wants to rewrite her own destiny.
Imagine the main characters was Head Master Grim (the headmaster of the school) or Apple White (the daughter of Snow White). Raven selfishly didn’t want to sign the “story book of legends” and caused a scene. She, could of disappeared/die and could of killed everyone else. Then some students started forming an alliance with her and they started forming the “Rebels.” A group of students who don’t want to fallow their destiny or want to fallow their destiny but support people who don’t. Imagine being Headmaster Grim who is trying his hardest to protect the students, or Apple White who is scared for her life that she and the people she cares about can disappear and she won’t get her happily ever after. Then some of Apple’s closes friends became rebels, like Ashlynn Ella, the daughter of Cinderella, who became a rebel and put everyone’s life at risk just because she had a secret rebel boyfriend, Hunter Huntsman. Or her best friend, Brair Beauty daughter of sleeping beauty who switch sides because she didn’t want to sleep for 100 years and she’ll miss her friends. (Which if she’s so scared of losing her friends, why doesn’t she fallow her destiny to protect them for dying.)
I know that I’m taking a kids show meant for selling toys a little too seriously. And i like Raven, I just wish Apple didn’t get that much crap. (Also if you wanna watch Ever After High. Don’t if you can’t stand childish stuff, it’s not as complex as I make it out to be. You could try reading the book, which are a much better canon. I didn’t read the whole series in a long time but I have 3 of the books and they’re pretty good.)
The rebels from the perspective of the families of the Stormtroopers on the death star. Then again, it depends on where you are in the galaxy who the good guys and bad guys are. Planets like Lothal in Rebels or Bracca in Jedi Fallen order were pretty rough because the Empire was essentially slave driving the people while slowly raping the planet while the rich planets in the core reaped the sweat off these people's brows.
Stromtroopers have families? Aren they all just clones
@@unlimited971 no those were groggily phased out
Nope that is average citizens who volunteered for the infantry.
I do feel bad for the low ranking stormtrooper, but they can't still believe they are working for the good guys after blowing up a world full of their own innocent civilians. But yeah if they tried to leave they would been imprisoned for desertion or executed.
Goku from the point of view from his wife and kids. Like Gohan and Goten understands that he is one of the only things standing in the way of planetary destruction. But I wouldn't be surprised nor blame them if they occasionally resent him for generally not being and at least pretending to have good time. At least Vegeta kept his promise to spend time with his kid and was around for the birth of his daughter and always keeps his family in mind whenever he's off training or fighting.
Alexander Hamilton in Hamilton
@I am Ok very true
I still don't get why Elisa forgave him. Like, he's not evil and I understand she couldn't hate him forever but I'd still be weary of the guy who flirted with literally every woman in the musical and at least one guy. And he's not a horrible father but he did fuck up with Philip.
There is a reason why a lot of founding fathers hated him irl
@@sofig1237 I haven't seen the musical, only listened to the soundtrack. Who is the man that Hamilton flirts with?
@I am Ok Ohhh =O
Yugi Moto from Kaiba's perspective.
Emotionally and mentally abused by his "father" and he wanted nothing more but to put away his horrid past and strive to be something better with himself and the company he'd won ... then suddenly the most naive and "morally superior" teen he's ever met just struts in and beats him in every duel like 1, 2, 3 with some bullshit magical mumbo jumbo and whom his friendship circle keep validating him as a true duelist DESPITE seemingly cheating!
@@gameraider100 I mean, Kaiba had an old man kidnapped just to steal a trading card and destroy it despite the fact that it wasn't being used for anything and was kept as a gift, if Kaiba had just left well enough alone and not given Yugi a reason to duel him, his losing streak never would have started and quite a few problems could have been avoided for him.
@@lightninstriker10 Yes, don't endanger ANYONE Yugi cares about. Especially his grandpa and his friends. Kaiba choose the wrong kid to pick a fight with.
@@ichigopockychan
Rule1: Don't attack Yugi's friends, or an ancient Egyptian sorcerer will mind blast you.
Rule2: Don't attack Yugi, or Joey will beat you to a pulp.
@@ichigopockychan Kaiba was asking for it, tbh.