The consensus now is that slugs are more accurate past 75 yards especially if there’s a breeze and the slugs, hold more energy when hitting a target. Many of the FX gun pros are exclusively, shooting slugs now. I can’t seem to find any kind of test showing exactly how much energy a slug will produce compared to a pellet at 50 yards or 75 yards. Is it 25% more energy is it 50% more energy? Have you done any test on this? If not would you consider doing any? Basically, it would have to be done using plywood, ballistics gel, and possibly a hog skull to see the penetration compared to a pellet.
Good information. Just want to add some information I drilled out the barrel port to 13/64 that added 53 fps then added a air plenum i had to lower my reg from 2000 psi to 1600psi to keep the jsb 18.13 to 903 fps just fyi.
good one as always learned a lot geeky stuff for airguns from your channel and the south african guy with the fx guns. All other youtubers are just reviewing air rifles.
Origin has an rws German steel choked barrel. AVA has a Japanese steel barrel unchoked. Generally a choked barrel is just made for pellets shooting but regular unchoked steel barrels can be shot with slugz
I haven’t trie the .218 but the .217 in my sig mcx virtus run perfectly I’m getting about 530-560 fps the only problem is they sometimes fall out the rotor clip in the mag but fit perfectly in the barrel they smack hard as well now I recently bought a unregulated ninja air tank pushing 1800psi output and I’m assuming I’ll get an extra 100-300fps with it!!
Im using AVA Gen1 free floating barrel I found out that she shoots Javelin Gen2 26gr.217 and 218 @980 - 990 groups very well... And now I'm shooting Zan Projectiles 25.5gr218 @990-1000FPS accurately but best slugs it's H&Nslugs 27gr 218 it's Laser accurate
Im still learning. I have the new Panthera hunter in 22. Now FX does not consider it a slug gun but Ted’s holdover did a video and had tested a bunch of slugs. Settled with the NSA 20.2 gr in .216. @ 900 fps. Ive been playing around with the gun/tunes but cant get a good group at 20 yards. The one thing I noticed was theres no resistance loading the slug into the breach .. opposite of it being too tight. Im wondering if the .216’s are too small for my specific barrel. Should try the .0005’s or .217’s. With that said i had better accuracy using the same tune as my 18 gr pellet tune (pellets 890 vs slugs 850).
@@jeansandmyshirt funny just last night i gave the 216’s a go again. This time I already had the gun tuned for 21 grain Dead Centers at 890 fps.. gun is pretty much maxed out with the reg at 150 bar. Filled a mag with the NSA 20.2’s and first shot 902 FPS… odd, because i thought i would be a little higher considering the pellets are 21.5’s. Averaged 899 with a spread of about 10 fps. This time i was stacking pellets or pretty dam close to it. For haha’s i tried a few NSA .217’s, shot well but FPS came in lower at around 890… assuming they are a little tighter in the barrel? Hopefully this weekend i want to get out and try the slugs and the current tune at 50 plus.
I was recommended Nielson 22 cal slugs for my Panthera. Haven’t really messed with them yet but did a little. Upped my tune a bit but accuracy was all over the place. I did notice theres little to no resistance when pushing the slug into the breech. Slugs i have are .216’s and wondering if 216.5’s or 217’s would work out better?
Overall, .217" size .22 cal. slugs in 21 grains weight - irrespective of manufacturer - seem to work best in a variety of PCPs, including the FX ones @ 150 BAR (2200 psi).
Barrel band tension because of the insert inside the shroud support. The the grub screws tension will make a barrel shoot high or low depending on the insert inside the shroud. Hi or lo
@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS yup, you'll hafta excuse my wording of the long version vs ur short version! A Stroke an do that to ya! 😳 keep a ck on ur BP Mister!!!
Would like to see how it does at 100 yard and what type of FPE it has with the slugs. To my understanding the speed makes a big difference. Between 900 and 1020 fps should be the magic number depending on the rifle. Anyway that will be cool to watch and see how it will perform 🤙
With pellets does headsize matters as much ? Other than trying all of them is there a way to tell wich one should do better? {Starts shooting his guns upside down}
Not if your barrel dimensions are smaller than the pellet headsize...if it's close then possibly...my Crosman 22cal Np break barrel is 5.51 so it can definitely matter
@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS My french canadian 🍑 is having a hard time understanding all of this, Basically you want the head to be smaller or bigger than the bore? To mesure this I need a caliper an alot of patience? [0.01 doesnt sound like alot on my 20$ caliper] My .177cal crosman's seems fairly tight with 4.51 heads...would going bigger be a bad or good idea? I will listen to the video again to try to understand better but id like a basic answer!
Great video! I'm old and purchased a gamo magnum gen 3i, shoots great but hard for me to cock it. Thinking about getting a pcp gun, hand pump in my research would be too much for me. Do you have or recommend an air pump?
If you ever decided on a cheaper compressor. Just don't run for more than 15 minutes at a time, and not going to 4500psi, more like 3600psi. If you can, get a long warranty also from like amazon or other retailers. The ones I am looking at, I am not spending more than $250, mainly because I'm cheap, and willing to compromise since I don't shoot that much, and not needing to fill large reserve bottles like scuba tanks. These cheap compressors are best for just filling a gun or two, not bottles. Depends on how much you are willing to compromise.
So please tell me about the hammer spring. You keep saying 2 turns or 3 turns in can the spring fall out if you turn it out all the way. In mechanicing say on a carb you screw the screw all the way in then you turn it out to the specs. Because turning it in all the way gives you a better reference point, then starting it all the way out. Please explain. Great video like always I'm a fan of yours
No the spring is captured, you can back it out all the way counterclockwise which is no hammer spring tension and go inward or clockwise about 6 full turns (most power)
the barrel is not pointing up, but the scope is pointing down. But because you look in a straight line through the scope it may look like the barrel is pointing up. The bigger the distance you are shooting the more your scope has to point down to compensate the bullet drop for the given distance.
Therefore the higher you have to point the barrel up the barrel is not bent James what's gravity takes effect on the brain James you have to wake up earlier and drink more coffee
@@robocarston7029 check out a 20 moa rail attachement, you attach a rail which points down towards the barrel, this rail is used if you shoot over great distance, if you can not turn your scope turrent any further lower you would use this attachment, meaning the scope is the part which points down, but of course you would not understand as a noob with your only knowledge of rifles comming from fortnite.
@@Ineedcoffee-n4j Along with more barrel wear and way more exspensive to shoot yeah. But recently HAM and other professional advice says pellets actually have better BC even at longer ranges. Its the design of the pellet. People have been shooting them for decades. Now if your shooting a .45 cal or larger, then yes slugs are a must. But not smaller bores. I've been shooting over 45 years and never need a slug in a small bore. They make heavy pellets If you need heavier. I just use the next calibur up in size (common sense) if I need the use of more power. And much less headaches!
@@eddiecahall3824slug are way better than any pellets if you can match your slug with the barrel..find your set up ,,welcome to new level of airgunning..
@@arzyfauzy9670 Noooo! A pellet will shoot 200m easily. Easier to buy and way less expensive to shoot! I've taken down more paper targets and pests and game with pellets than you probably ever will with slugz. Over 45 yrs! I tried the slug thing many times and found out the hard way. With things the way they are Nowadays, Pellets are def the better way! Slugs are over hyped unless your going the shoot super long distances competition shooting paper or steel targets. That ain't no fun!
Γειά σου φίλε μου...!!... Παίρνω το θάρρος να σου πω τι πρόβλημα αντιμετωπίζω με το δικό μου όπλο (Replay Magnum 10x gen 2)... σχετικά με το γέμισμα του μύλου με τα HN slugs HP 21 grains καθώς όταν γεμίζω με αυτά το μύλο του όπλου μου είτε αυτά κάνουν το μύλο να μαγκωνει είτε βάζοντας τα λίγο πιο βαθιά η θαλάμη του μύλου δε μένει τελείως ανοιχτή όπως γίνεται συνήθως με τα άλλα pellets αλλά είναι σχεδόν μισοκλειστη με αποτέλεσμα να φοβάμαι να βάλω έτσι όπως είναι το μυλο στο όπλο και να ρίξω γιατί φοβάμαι μήπως είτε μαγκωσει και δε γυρίζει σωστά είτε χαλάσει το γέμισμα του όπλου αφού η περόνη που σπρώχνει τα slugs ή τα pellets μέσα στην κάννη του όπλου δε θα βρει τη θαλάμη ανοιχτή όπως πρέπει να είναι και μου χαλάσει το όπλο...!!!...Σε παρακαλώ πολύ εσύ που ασχολείσαι περισσότερο καιρό από μένα με τα συγκεκριμένα όπλα και slugs πες μου τι έχεις κάνει και τα slugs δουλεύουν καλά και σωστά στο δικό σου το όπλο...!!!...Σε ευχαριστώ εκ των προτέρων και περιμένω το σχόλιο σου για αυτό....
The consensus now is that slugs are more accurate past 75 yards especially if there’s a breeze and the slugs, hold more energy when hitting a target. Many of the FX gun pros are exclusively, shooting slugs now.
I can’t seem to find any kind of test showing exactly how much energy a slug will produce compared to a pellet at 50 yards or 75 yards. Is it 25% more energy is it 50% more energy? Have you done any test on this? If not would you consider doing any? Basically, it would have to be done using plywood, ballistics gel, and possibly a hog skull to see the penetration compared to a pellet.
Thanks again gun guru. Your the man. You show things nobody else would think of. Upside down what an idea!!!
Thank for shedding some light on this subject, I'm just about to try the .218 through my Daystate huntsman midas.
Excellent in my FX Crown mk2
Will that hurt your gun or barrel when pushing the cocking bolt hard to shut it with the bigger heavier slugs James.
Good information. Just want to add some information I drilled out the barrel port to 13/64 that added 53 fps then added a air plenum i had to lower my reg from 2000 psi to 1600psi to keep the jsb 18.13 to 903 fps just fyi.
Right on!
Are your velocities consistent?
good one as always learned a lot geeky stuff for airguns from your channel and the south african guy with the fx guns. All other youtubers are just reviewing air rifles.
Great video! Do you still have an Origin? Does that have the same barrel? What would be your guess for the Origin: 217 or 218?
thanks, no I don't have it anymore but if I remember 217 , 21/23gr did very well
Origin has an rws German steel choked barrel. AVA has a Japanese steel barrel unchoked. Generally a choked barrel is just made for pellets shooting but regular unchoked steel barrels can be shot with slugz
@@eddiecahall3824 AVA/origin barrels are the same barrels...5.35/5.42mm unchoked full bore from China...
@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS no, what I said was the Origin is Rws German steel choked. AVA is Japanese steel unchoked. So how are they the same?
@@eddiecahall3824 both are the same barrel, unchoked , from one of the same Chinese Airgun Suppliers
SR? Did you mean THE WAY YOU MOUNT THE SCOPE afects consistecy/precision?
I haven’t trie the .218 but the .217 in my sig mcx virtus run perfectly I’m getting about 530-560 fps the only problem is they sometimes fall out the rotor clip in the mag but fit perfectly in the barrel they smack hard as well now I recently bought a unregulated ninja air tank pushing 1800psi output and I’m assuming I’ll get an extra 100-300fps with it!!
real test of slugs is 75yrds and 100yrds. 50yrds for pellets. nice video sir!
Im using AVA Gen1 free floating barrel I found out that she shoots Javelin Gen2 26gr.217 and 218 @980 - 990 groups very well... And now I'm shooting Zan Projectiles 25.5gr218 @990-1000FPS accurately but best slugs it's H&Nslugs 27gr 218 it's Laser accurate
That's awesome Nuno!!!
I want to learn more about shooting with gun upside down. I must have missed a few videos. Thank you .
Im still learning. I have the new Panthera hunter in 22. Now FX does not consider it a slug gun but Ted’s holdover did a video and had tested a bunch of slugs.
Settled with the NSA 20.2 gr in .216. @ 900 fps. Ive been playing around with the gun/tunes but cant get a good group at 20 yards. The one thing I noticed was theres no resistance loading the slug into the breach .. opposite of it being too tight. Im wondering if the .216’s are too small for my specific barrel. Should try the .0005’s or .217’s.
With that said i had better accuracy using the same tune as my 18 gr pellet tune (pellets 890 vs slugs 850).
try jsb slugs
@@jeansandmyshirt funny just last night i gave the 216’s a go again. This time I already had the gun tuned for 21 grain Dead Centers at 890 fps.. gun is pretty much maxed out with the reg at 150 bar.
Filled a mag with the NSA 20.2’s and first shot 902 FPS… odd, because i thought i would be a little higher considering the pellets are 21.5’s. Averaged 899 with a spread of about 10 fps. This time i was stacking pellets or pretty dam close to it.
For haha’s i tried a few NSA .217’s, shot well but FPS came in lower at around 890… assuming they are a little tighter in the barrel?
Hopefully this weekend i want to get out and try the slugs and the current tune at 50 plus.
I was recommended Nielson 22 cal slugs for my Panthera. Haven’t really messed with them yet but did a little. Upped my tune a bit but accuracy was all over the place. I did notice theres little to no resistance when pushing the slug into the breech. Slugs i have are .216’s and wondering if 216.5’s or 217’s would work out better?
Overall, .217" size .22 cal. slugs in 21 grains weight - irrespective of manufacturer - seem to work best in a variety of PCPs, including the FX ones @ 150 BAR (2200 psi).
Barrel band tension because of the insert inside the shroud support. The the grub screws tension will make a barrel shoot high or low depending on the insert inside the shroud. Hi or lo
that's just a centering ring to the shroud and if the shroud is pinned up by the barrel band grub screws then barrel will follow
@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS yup, you'll hafta excuse my wording of the long version vs ur short version!
A Stroke an do that to ya! 😳 keep a ck on ur BP Mister!!!
@@ezrabrook3993 all good man!!!🤘🤘
Would like to see how it does at 100 yard and what type of FPE it has with the slugs. To my understanding the speed makes a big difference. Between 900 and 1020 fps should be the magic number depending on the rifle. Anyway that will be cool to watch and see how it will perform 🤙
With pellets does headsize matters as much ?
Other than trying all of them is there a way to tell wich one should do better?
{Starts shooting his guns upside down}
Not if your barrel dimensions are smaller than the pellet headsize...if it's close then possibly...my Crosman 22cal Np break barrel is 5.51 so it can definitely matter
@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS My french canadian 🍑 is having a hard time understanding all of this,
Basically you want the head to be smaller or bigger than the bore?
To mesure this I need a caliper an alot of patience?
[0.01 doesnt sound like alot on my 20$ caliper]
My .177cal crosman's seems fairly tight with 4.51 heads...would going bigger be a bad or good idea?
I will listen to the video again to try to understand better but id like a basic answer!
Pellet Headsize more than barrel size you're fine
@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS so getting a bigger headsize will most likely not be better?
Not always have to retune the gun usually
Great video! I'm old and purchased a gamo magnum gen 3i, shoots great but hard for me to cock it. Thinking about getting a pcp gun, hand pump in my research would be too much for me. Do you have or recommend an air pump?
If you ever decided on a cheaper compressor. Just don't run for more than 15 minutes at a time, and not going to 4500psi, more like 3600psi. If you can, get a long warranty also from like amazon or other retailers. The ones I am looking at, I am not spending more than $250, mainly because I'm cheap, and willing to compromise since I don't shoot that much, and not needing to fill large reserve bottles like scuba tanks. These cheap compressors are best for just filling a gun or two, not bottles. Depends on how much you are willing to compromise.
What is the biggest animal that you can shoot with it😊
Very impressive.
Thanks!
So please tell me about the hammer spring. You keep saying 2 turns or 3 turns in can the spring fall out if you turn it out all the way. In mechanicing say on a carb you screw the screw all the way in then you turn it out to the specs. Because turning it in all the way gives you a better reference point, then starting it all the way out. Please explain. Great video like always I'm a fan of yours
No the spring is captured, you can back it out all the way counterclockwise which is no hammer spring tension and go inward or clockwise about 6 full turns (most power)
It will come to a stop coming out or going in. Approximately 5 1/2 turns from end to end,all the way out to all the way in.
You can get the knockouts in .216
Great video James 👍👍😎✌️
Thanks Mike!
the barrel is not pointing up, but the scope is pointing down. But because you look in a straight line through the scope it may look like the barrel is pointing up.
The bigger the distance you are shooting the more your scope has to point down to compensate the bullet drop for the given distance.
Therefore the higher you have to point the barrel up the barrel is not bent James what's gravity takes effect on the brain James you have to wake up earlier and drink more coffee
@@robocarston7029 check out a 20 moa rail attachement, you attach a rail which points down towards the barrel, this rail is used if you shoot over great distance, if you can not turn your scope turrent any further lower you would use this attachment, meaning the scope is the part which points down, but of course you would not understand as a noob with your only knowledge of rifles comming from fortnite.
Pellets are better and very accurate made for air rifles. That's what I'm sticking with! But this video is good review for slug use!
Thanks!
Slugs are made for air rifles too
@@Ineedcoffee-n4j Along with more barrel wear and way more exspensive to shoot yeah. But recently HAM and other professional advice says pellets actually have better BC even at longer ranges. Its the design of the pellet. People have been shooting them for decades. Now if your shooting a .45 cal or larger, then yes slugs are a must. But not smaller bores. I've been shooting over 45 years and never need a slug in a small bore. They make heavy pellets If you need heavier. I just use the next calibur up in size (common sense) if I need the use of more power. And much less headaches!
@@eddiecahall3824slug are way better than any pellets if you can match your slug with the barrel..find your set up ,,welcome to new level of airgunning..
@@arzyfauzy9670 Noooo! A pellet will shoot 200m easily. Easier to buy and way less expensive to shoot! I've taken down more paper targets and pests and game with pellets than you probably ever will with slugz. Over 45 yrs! I tried the slug thing many times and found out the hard way. With things the way they are Nowadays, Pellets are def the better way! Slugs are over hyped unless your going the shoot super long distances competition shooting paper or steel targets. That ain't no fun!
Good info! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🎯
👍👍👍
Awesome stuff there man thanks for the tips and the tricks all the info you give us and that helps out a lot thanks buddy have a great one be safe
Appreciate it thanks!
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Γειά σου φίλε μου...!!... Παίρνω το θάρρος να σου πω τι πρόβλημα αντιμετωπίζω με το δικό μου όπλο (Replay Magnum 10x gen 2)... σχετικά με το γέμισμα του μύλου με τα HN slugs HP 21 grains καθώς όταν γεμίζω με αυτά το μύλο του όπλου μου είτε αυτά κάνουν το μύλο να μαγκωνει είτε βάζοντας τα λίγο πιο βαθιά η θαλάμη του μύλου δε μένει τελείως ανοιχτή όπως γίνεται συνήθως με τα άλλα pellets αλλά είναι σχεδόν μισοκλειστη με αποτέλεσμα να φοβάμαι να βάλω έτσι όπως είναι το μυλο στο όπλο και να ρίξω γιατί φοβάμαι μήπως είτε μαγκωσει και δε γυρίζει σωστά είτε χαλάσει το γέμισμα του όπλου αφού η περόνη που σπρώχνει τα slugs ή τα pellets μέσα στην κάννη του όπλου δε θα βρει τη θαλάμη ανοιχτή όπως πρέπει να είναι και μου χαλάσει το όπλο...!!!...Σε παρακαλώ πολύ εσύ που ασχολείσαι περισσότερο καιρό από μένα με τα συγκεκριμένα όπλα και slugs πες μου τι έχεις κάνει και τα slugs δουλεύουν καλά και σωστά στο δικό σου το όπλο...!!!...Σε ευχαριστώ εκ των προτέρων και περιμένω το σχόλιο σου για αυτό....
More than you would think, H&N 217 in my FX Crown are not accurate, but their 218 are a laser.
Your overworking that "with that said" line Please stop So "having said that" have a nice day.
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