The History of Catalonia
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- Interested in why many Catalans consider themselves apart from wider Spanish society and want an independent state? Perhaps finding out about their history is key.
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I learned much of this when I visited Barcelona. The people were so proud of their language and independent government. While I felt I had wasted boning up on my Spanish, it was fascinating to learn about Catalan and its origins. Truly a beautiful city and rich in culture and history.
Video: “Catalonian”
Me: **deep inhale** Catalan
Hshssh sempre
Esq "catalonians" és horrible 😅
@@arnaurosellcanet3946 in Portuguese we call you guys "catalãos" I'd argue that's worse
English: Catalan
Spanish: Catalán
Catalan: Catalá
Basque: KATALANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Catalonian sounds great, what is the problem? You guys have to complain about everything?
War of Spanish Succession is wrong. Austrians and Hapsburg are the same. It was Hapsburg (Austrian) vs. Bourbon (French) successors.
Habsburgs are just the dynasty that ruled those lands. Austrians are people that speak Austrian. It just so happens that the Austrians were ruled by Habsburgs.
@@thebenevolentsun6575 There’s no such language called Austrian, you can’t speak Austrian
In Austria speak German 😂
@@thebenevolentsun6575 austrias in Spanish that’s is the name of that dinasty in Spanish
@@forzaacmilan36 Yeah my bad
And Portugal is just watching like..
Wtf is Spain up to this time.
+MinSeop Leem I live in Belgium, mate.
lampo the raptor Oh okay. How is the separatist movement in Flanders going then?
+MinSeop Leem Weak. They are just a bunch of idiots.
+lampo the raptor Interesting...some Spanish think that about Catalan' nationalists, not me. And some Catalan' nationalists think the same about Spanish people.
As a Portuguese I'd say it's more of a "Oh Caralho, not this again..."
As per my name, one can see that I am Catalana, I was born there, my mother tongue
was Catalan, then Spanish was my second language when I started school, age 4, home
was always Catalan, school, we had French and Italian lessons, (which are cousin languages) then age 14, we moved to Australia, English came into the picture, later
marrying a Aussie born Greek background, that came into my life, all this happened before
I was 20. I spoke Catalan to my mum and dad, till their passing, about 62 years, now at
75 I am able to speak all of them, but I only write Catalan, Spanish and English.
a video without netherlands and it's anthem playing is not a true vid of Hillbert
Dolan Duk what a funny meme.
PalmyrabalI Fuk off
PalmyrabalI Hi bby ly
Dutch Games Sorry, i don't speak German :/
Dolan Duk Its dutch
I'm not a historian and I'm probably biased, but there are some things I would like to say:
· Hispania was the name Romans gave to the Iberian Peninsula. They divided this territory in several provinces (from two at the beginning to five at the end). It’s probably better to just say it’s a geographical term, not a pollitical one.
· You’re skipping the Fall of the Roman Empire, the Germanic domination and the Muslim invasion. I think they are worth mentioning, since it answers why Christian Kingdoms ended organizing this way.
· When the Muslims invaded the Iberian Peninsula, the Christians began fighting them by establishing small kingdoms in the north that started expanding southward. Portugal, Leon, Castile, Navarre, Aragon and Catalonia are some of these kingdoms. By marriage, some of these kingdoms began to unite, Castile and Leon for one side and Aragon and Catalonia for another. Although Castile and Leon were completely fused, that’s not the same for Aragon and Catalonia, since they worked more or less as a confederation, different kingdoms with the same king. When they conquered the Balearic Islands and Valencia, they added these two kingdoms to this confederation they called the Crown of Aragon (although neither Aragon nor Catalonia had a dominant position).
· And you missed the Balearic Islands in your map, just saying.
· The flag for Aragon and Catalonia are mostly the same, since it’s the flag of the King and they had the same king (it's four horizontal stripes on a field of gold).
· The marriage of Ferdinand and Isabella functioned mostly the same way than with Catalonia and Aragon: two kingdoms (well, one for Castille and Leon and four for Aragon, but two kingdoms is easier) with the same king. It’s not one country, instead different countries with the same ruler (if you look it this way it makes all the wars of this period easier to understand ). In the following years, parts of Italy, the Netherlands, Germany or America were added to the Spanish Empire.
· The flag of Spain doesn’t appear until the 18th century, and the Coat of Arms until the 1970s.
· The War of the Spanish Succession is less a conflict between Castile and Aragon or two kings than two opposite visions of how Spain should be ruled: the France way (absolutist, centralised) or the Austrian way (more de-centralised and respectful with the local laws and customs). There were Borbonists (supporters of France) and Austriacists (supporters of Austria) on all parts of the country, more Borbonists than Austriacists in Castille and the other way around in Aragon. It’s recorded and notorious that one of the battle cries in the Siege of Barcelona was ‘For Spain’. Their vision of Spain, of course. In the end, the France way won.
· September 11th is not ‘La Diada Nacional’ is just ‘La Diada’, more or less ‘THE Day’.
· Again, careful with the flags. The white one with a red 'X' represented the Habsburg, in this period the rulers were Bourbon. The ‘Catalan’ one is not the official one, it represents the will for independence and it doesn’t appear until the 20th century (inspired by Cuba's independence in 1898).
· The Catalan Nationalist movement appears at mid-late 19th century.
· At the beginning of the 20th century there’s a brief period of semi-autonomy in Catalonia, until the dictatorship of Primo de Rivera in 1923.
· The dictatorship (and the Monarchy) ended when republican parties won the 1931 local elections and the Republic was declared in Barcelona and Madrid. This Catalan Republic lasted for three days (literally), until it joined the Second Spanish Republic. The man in the photo is Francesc Macià, the president of the ephemeral Catalan Republic and later the president of the autonomous region of Catalonia.
· Again, careful with the flags. You mixed the Coat of Arms of the King in the Spanish Republican flag. Not cool.
· It would be cooler if you showed the evolution of the Civil War through the years, not only a static map. And there was bombardment of Barcelona (by Mussolini’s italian planes), but no siege. In 1939 Franco occupied the remnants of Catalonia in three weeks.
· Good work here with the Spanish flag, the one with the bird is the right one.
·It’s a bit strange that you cut your video at the end of Franco’s Dictatorship, since it was forty years ago and a lot of things have happened:
- Spain transitioned into a democracy and in 1979 got a new Constitution.
- Most of the judges, policemen and civil servants from the Dictatorship strangely kept their jobs.
- Catalonia got again his autonomy status, but another sixteen regions of Spain did the same, diluting its self-government. Its status is recorded in the Statute of Autonomy (more or less like a mini-Constitution, the highest law of the region just below the Constitution).
Spain joined the EU in 1986.
- In the 2000s, after a long time slowly gaining more powers, Catalan parties sought a new Statute to further expand and protect these powers. They finished their work in 2005 and in 2006 was substantially reduced by the Spanish Parliament and reluctantly approved in referendum by the Catalan people.
- In 2006 this Statute was challenged at the Constitutional Court, which ruled in 2010 against the Statute and further reduced its powers.
A huge demonstration was held in Barcelona on July 10th 2010 protesting against the ruling and claiming for independence. Now it was not only a matter of money or language, but a matter of pride and respect.
- In 2011 a new pro-independence organization was born. They have pushed for independence and organized a huge demonstration on September 11th for five years.
- The Spanish government has systematically declined to acknowledge any petition from the Catalan government, even the smaller ones.
Sorry for the long post. Here’s a Politico article www.politico.eu/article/catalonia-referendum-independence-timeline-how-did-we-get-here/ that covers the last ten years in Catalonia and how the claim for independence has grown. Very good.
u expect me to read all that? Bruh i literally stopped a "i would like to say"
Good heavens, no! It's just a long rant nitpicking on a quite well researched video on a topic I happen to have more information. It's not worth the effort, don't bother.
Lou Roo
Wtf dude
I would want independence if all spaniards were like this
Nah, realmente es lo que ha pasado. Está claro que se podría hablar también de como los partidos nacionalistas han sido también de gran peso durante la mayor parte de la democracia en Madrid y han sido parte importante de los momentos clave de la mayor parte de las reformas de un signo u otro. Igual de los problemas que hubo con los recortes en la crisis que hizo CiU y su relación curiosa con el movimiento de indignados. También se ha saltado a Companys, las Guerras Carlistas, las protestas en Barcelona, huelgas y sus bombardeo en el S.XIX, entra otras muchas cosas.
Es decir, que lo que ha dicho no está mal, pero se siguen ignorando muchas cosas. El independentismo desde un punto histórico claramente no se puede explicar en un comentario de YT ni en un vídeo de 8 minutos y medio.
Felipe Hdez look just to simplyfy things and clarify something that the video doesn't explain. Spain has been cracking down on corruption in its government for the last years (not very quickly nor efficiently) and guess what the most corrupt munucipality is catalonia, as the central government is investigating them in the generalitat (the catalonian regional gov) has started to panic and is trying to save its ass from jail plus losing control of the generalitar by gaining independece. And the reason that they have given catalonians that they want to leave spain is because we are the corrupt people and government that steals money of theirs. If you wish to learn more about the falacies of this independence just read some spanish press
Have a bit of a problem with the notion of Catalonia being singularily opposed to the Spanish crown in the Spanish Succession War. The resistance was more a thing among the nobility who were afraid of losing their privileges. Not about a notion of being Catalonian.
Spain wasn't exist at that time.
@@enkidugarcia5821 To what government did basque country and catalonia pay taxes to and whose military they joined?
*Catalan
That's a typical problem in Spanish historiography: when someone revolts it is the fault of the evil elites and when we find a testimony of unity it reflects a general feeling... Actually the opposition to the Bourbons was common among all classes and was the population of Barcelona the one that urged the Junta dels Braços to declare the defense at all costs. The same with the War of the Reapers in 1640, among Spanish it is said that it was the Catalan elites who deceived the people, but it was the authorities of the Hispanic Monarchy and the presence of their mercenaries in Catalonia that encouraged both the elites and the Catalan people to the rebellion.
@@enkidugarcia5821 ... Lies... Of course Spain DID EXIST...
Fun fact, the regions of Spain that were under Aragonese rule still bear its red and yellow stripes upon their modern flags (Aragon proper, Catalonia, Valencia, the Balearic islands), making for a group of very sinilar-looking flags in a country whose regions otherwise have very different designs for theirs.
Also, Catalan is supposedly the language closest to the vulgar Latin spoken in Iberia in the days of the Romans.
this was the most interesting comment on this video. thank you.
Aragón it's the original and actual kingdom. :)
@@leytovera8551 What do you mean?
@@almendroverde i think he is referring to the kingdom of aragon, as they controlled catalonia and valencia in around the 1300's aswell as sardinia and sicily
@@TroyDaboi2005 It was not the Kingdom of Aragon, but the Crown of Aragon.
This Crown was named after its first kingdom, but it was led most of the time by the Principality of Catalonia as the most populated and prosperous entity, and Catalan was the language that expanded with the conquest of new kingdoms (Valencia, Mallorca), while the Aragonese language, due to demographic reasons, did not go beyond the Kingdom of Aragon.
Catalonia: I want to hold a referendum
Spain: isn't that illegal?
Catalonia: *I will make it legal*
It's more like:
Catalan: the people want to leave Spain, as is democratic, we should hold a referendum.
Spain: no
Years later....
Catalan: please, this problem isn't going away.
Spain: no
Years later.....
Catalan: this serious we need to hold a referendum, the people are angry.
Spain: no
Catalan: fine we're holding a referendum.
Spain: no you aren't and if you do we'll stop you and even if you somehow succeed, we won't regard it as a legal vote anyway. Fuck democracy.
Catalan *holds referendum*
Spain *beats the shit out of those involved.*
Darth Guilder And the best part of that is that we offered them negotiation and dialogue, but they refused and continued this illegal referendum.
There were some people that even voted up to 5 times, people from Madrid and tourists voted "no" to this refetenfum. There wasnt any control at all and they're still stuck on the idea that the referendum was legal
Spain never offered them negotiation and dialogue, it was the other way around. Spain never wanted to negotiate anything. It's not like the Spanish really know how to talk, their own anthem has no lyrics.
exactly!!!!!!
Eduard Lock We DID offer negotiation and dialogue. You gotta be up to date before commenting..
You would almost think Hilbert is dutch or something😂
Where is he from and why would you think he is dutch?
@@PalkkiTT 2:54
He sounds like he’s from Sunderland, but suppressing his accent for the purpose of speaking more clearly
Spain clearly belongs to the Dutch. Long live the Hapsburg jaw.
and no one cares filthy spaniards, graças á deus que nossos ancestrais de portugal conseguiram ficar independentes
And they achieved that by kneeling in front of the Normans at waist level and moving their head back and forth repeatedly and thanks to Napoleon interferance in Hispania
Wood :s
You mean Nederland belongs to the spanish, right?
No, that is a widespread misconception my friend. It was never "Spanish Netherlands." It was actually Netherlands' Spain
Great video but there are two thinks that i want to coment.
-The people from catalonia are catalans, not catalonians.
-Ur flag isnt the `estelada´ (the one you show in the video) its the `senyera´ . The `estelada´ its a flag that represents the separatist movement and was created in 1918.
PowersXD estalada-ilegal,igual que vosotros,que poco os queda jajajajaja😂😂
Freedom for Catalonia
Efectivamente nos queda poco en España
Nuria Anay con el 37% de SI os quereis ir no?
Que democratico...
Nacho Torre la estelada no es ilegal.
People from Catalonia are Spanish, because they are apart of Spain. Obey your masters
During the he Spanish civil war, Madrid standed for several years
You have to be careful with the flags you are using. The flag with the star is not official and called "estelada" which means "with star". It is literally a copy of the cuban flag, so it was not used until late 19 century. Therefore you made a mistake.
Navarra was incorporated AFTER, Granada, not before.
You said confusing. Philip V of the Bourbon House was accepted king of all Spain, but then Catalonia switch sides for the Habsbourg Charles. The 1640 events were important on that change.
AGG the flags! Change them, they are almost all wrong.
Catalonia was NEVER independent in the 20 century. They declare the independence in 1934 and lasted for 8h. The independence was not even a true independence because they said they were within the "Iberian Federation".
Another mistake. Calonia was taken in february 1939 quite fast after the Ebro Battle of late 1938. There was no bombardement. Even the nacionalist troops were saluted (It is common to take winners side AFTER the war, just to be safe). You should have spoken about the civil war within the republicans in Catalonia.
Calonia has now in 2017 more freedom, rights and self goberment than in 1931-39. For example, before the 1-O, Catalonia has more self goberment than Scotland.
It is just false that Catalan languaje is not accepted.
I used the more independence-inclined Estelada so as not to confuse people with the Senyera which I used for Aragon. Outside of Catalonia and Spain, the Blue Estelada is a much more commonly recognised symbol of Catalonia than the Senyera. If you're interested I explain this in another video where I talk about why I did it this way round in this video:
th-cam.com/video/Y3W0nAGaMeo/w-d-xo.html
Technically then they did go independent even if it was for very little time, they just decided to hedge their bets on being part of the autonomous regions in the new Spanish Republic.
I think there demonstrably was a bombardment of Barcelona
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Barcelona
About the language. There are Spanish laws that defend the use of the languages spoken in Spanish territory: Catalan, Valenciano, Euskera, Gallego...Those languages are co-official along with the Spanish language. I'm from Valencia and I can speak it and nobody will fine me or arrest me, the same goes with the Catalan in Catalonia.
@@historywithhilbert146 bravo, well said
it would be nice if people of other countries don't exclude the islands from our territory... canary and balearic islands also existe xD
You used a wrong flag to show the union of the kingdoms. The first flag was Cross of Burgundy (more or less Florida's flag nowadays). You also explain wrongly the fight between the borbon and austria's supporters, it was not between aragon and the rest, it was between people inside all the territories, saying that it was between territories is like saying that civil war was between territories, completely wrong. You also mixed Cross of Burgundy with estelada... wrong, both flags are from different times.
I always thought that the demonym for people that come from Catalonia was “Catalan”, “Catalonian” just sounds weird.
You're correct.
Most people get it wrong
I'm spanish, and here they're called "catalan", so it's correct I suppose xd
6:20
That´s not actually true, though Catalan was banned from official and public matters of the nation, it could be spoken and you could still read from it. It was repressed in the sence that it was not allowed to be thought or to be used by the local goverment but there was never a law that arrested a catalan speaker if he/she was speaking to a friend and a policeman heard them. The opresion of the language was more on a institutional level than a local one.
Yes and no. The repression diminished over the years, but Catalan was indeed banned in public during the early years of Franco's dictatorship, and all books and plays had to be in pre-Fabrian ortography at first too. However, Catalan always remained banned in schools and in most business.
That's why in busses you've had signs that said "forbidden to speak catalan"...
7:13 sorry but not true at all, as a spaniard and a valencian (we speak valencian which is practically catalan) in Spain we dont mind that catalans have their own language, basques have theirs, galicians too...I have never met anyone, and I know very right wing, independence-opposed people, who wants catalans to speak only spanish. The truth is, thanks to some catalan politicians, it's more the other way round. In Catalonia you can be fined if the name of your business is not in catalan. Children in public schools cannot choose spanish as their first language, even though it is the mother tongue of 50 per cent of the population. It's easy to judge from the outside, especially seeing what happened on Sunday, but things are not black and white.
Yes, but many feel differently about that which is what I said :)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Valencian a dialect of Catalan or a Catalan-influenced dialect of Spanish? Or would you consider it its own language entirely? Just curious :)
History With Hilbert yes but my point is it's not many, just a minority of extremists as there are in every country. As for valencian, its origin is very uncertain, some believe it was created from a language called "romance" and influenced by arabs and later by catalans. Others think it's just catalan, but in Valencia it has been called that way for around 800 years. What is certain is that it doesn't come from Spanish as it originated in Castilla around the same time. I guess it's the same as portuguese and galician.
Hey, I'm from near Valencia! (what a coincidence I guess)
They have been allowed to speak Catalan, to teach it at school, to have the business signs in Catalan and to teach in Catalan at the universities. What more could they want. I believe this video proves that they are part of Spain and that the same people that conquered Spain in history are the ones that conquered Catalonia. Why do they think they are different? I agree with Pepa, we allow those languages we have, I think 5 different languages in Spain, each with its own grammar, therefore making them official languages and they are allowed to be spoken. It is actually our diversity which we embrace.
And hence why Catalan is frowned upon
As a Catalan, I can guarantee you that this problem isn't as easy as it seems. The problem is not with Spain itself, but with the corrupt politicians of the pp party, which now have been ruling Spain for more than 5 years, driving it further into disaster. Although this thought radicalised rapidly throughout the last years, turning it into a general hate against Spain. I've been living for 12 years now in Barcelona, I was born here, I was raised here and I left when I was 12 years old. I can assure you totally that it isn't as dramatic as it may seem. In Barcelona, in fact in Catalonia as whole, wealth never disappeared, not even during the years of the great crisis. It's still one of the wealthiest(if not the most) of Spain, and it's due to(among other things) the geographic location, the proportionally higher population, the industrial centres, and of course, Barcelona. It's very sad that in the moments like now, when we should be united against the real problems, some people just ignore the facts and want (as always) a extreme, fast, and efficient solution, like the declaration of independence from Spain, which as we all are often told, will make things considerably better. I don't want to disappoint you, but this is just a mere, big, fat lie. It's based on both left and right-wing rethoric, which has been used for decades, in order to transform the Catalan people into a 'Last bastion of civilization in the Iberian peninsula',which is just extremely ridiculous. In Catalonia one can live very very good, in one of the most wealthy regions, of one of the most wealthy countries on this planet.
Cataluña es un región no un pais
+Juanlu Lourido Por poco tiempo
Yes " United we stand, divided we fall" . The Iberians of Spain need to remember all their history and not just the romantic parts of it this includes the Catalans as well. Chinese like to speak of a century of Humiliation, but if we look at Spain it seems they have been experiencing several centuries of Humiliation. This is all because of selfishness and tribalism.
Noone believe this guy... he is just another brainwashed kid, PP is the politic party returning Spain to good times, political lefties hate enything that has do with the right wing, they live in the past.
And I add that the "partido popular" according to statistics it's the most corrupt party in Europe.
It is a good video, but the History is much more complex than that. For example, in the Middle Ages the Corona de Aragon (Crown of Aragon) was actually born thanks to a marriage between the main ruler of the Barcelona County and the doughter of the king of Aragon. It was a pact, a marriage. Besides, the Catalans were not united as a kingdom (they lived in several counties: Barcelona, Girona, Urgell...) and they were not under the power of Aragon "being permitted to preserve their language and customs".
And of course as you well know, they are not the only ones who lived this History and the repression (generally speaking).
There is a lot of things to consider here. But good job trying to do the summary haha it is no easy job ;)
I'd love to hear more about how the history relates to the current situation. Great content, thanks!
To sumarise, the Spanish-Nazi regim won, freedom is now dead.
Can you do a video on the anarchist territories in Catalonia and Aragon in the late 1930s? They only got half a sentence in this one and it is incredibly hard to find information on them.
Matze Lvithn
Yes, it was a very successful anarchist revolution and actually the only one the succeeded, the ones in Ukraine had trouble collecting food, but I still like govt/businesses.
Matze Lvithn spain is one of britains most important economic partners, so you would alienate 80% of your clients in favor of the other 20%. I hope you never get to be your country's finance minister, the UK will be ruined in a couple of weeks
Homage to catalonia!
@@themechanictangerine4337 The hell? How is that connected to what they were asking for?
@@andydavis3075 imagine a modern version of this but with the technology we have today, they could create indoor aeroponic farms and increase food production by way more than even necessary. Once robots become the main force of labor, these societies will be even more viable. I hope we can realize this in the future
My mum is Catalan. When she was young franco was still about and she said she remembers not being allowed to go to the toilet in primary school because she didn’t how to say it in Spanish and had to wet herself 😢
🤡🤣🤣
Im also Catalan, my family are Leftist Idiots who never speak Spanish in their private lifes and sold me the whole "FRANCO is EVULZ MEME"
and let me tell you, that is fucking stupid and no one believes IT... whats next, ¿DID your mom also remembers the GAS CHAMBERS form WWII or some bullshit?¿
If you want atention and victimhood, go to Barcelona and Stand in the middle of the street and wait to get stabbed by Brown pieces of shit brought by the left to replace you...
HAHAHAH im joking, NO ONE WILL CARE FOR YOU when the brown shit broccoli STABS YOU
Ey but still at least the "ULTRA hyper FAR RIGHT " doesn't rule AND THATS what matters to you, THE IMPORTANT THINGS: like killing babies, destroy men's lives, lie, manipulate, steal, defraud, being manipulated by the collectivist mindset modern "WHAMEN" have, being weak bring Ilegals tothe country, BETRAY your MEN, betray your legacy, having no honor... you know the average for a SPANISH WOMAN
You all seem to forget that
a) Catalonia isn’t oppressed? It’s one of the most prosperous communities in Spain, and it enjoys more freedom than most.
b) The whole referendum was ilegal. It was deemed ilegal by the Supreme Court, the people that voted were, by definition, criminals. Yeah, the police went WAY too far, but everyone who voted broke the law.
c) THOSE VOTES CAN’T COUNT. The numbers are not credible, people voted multiple times, there were no ID checks, it was not run by computers, kids voted, people voted in the streets...you cannot believe those numbers.
d) Even if the numbers were real...two million voted for independence, what about the other eight million Catalans? You all seem to forget, the majority of people it Catalonia don’t want to leave Spain! The people that don’t want to leave (the people who would have voted no) didn’t bother to go and vote because they didn’t bother to participate in something illegal. By going to vote they are still aiding the nationalists.
How is going to vote helping the nationalists? In any case if there was a bast majority of people that voted NO, the conflict would have been settled by now, wouldn't it? By the way, same name hahahhaha
Aida Lynn thank god people are capable of articulating reasonable and well explained answers for the guiris. I was watching international news today and they are all so pro-catalan independentists making spain look much more nasty and backwards than it really is.
Lou Roo YES! Like hello, is everyone forgetting how illegal everything is or...?
Btw, good use of guiris lmao true
Aida Kane because if you go to vote you’re participating in an illegal act set up by the nationalists.
thats cuz I'm Ibero-Sajon, get it?
I de cop, un comentari català XD
Jajajaja
Visca catalunya
I love Spain, I have basque and galician roots , long live to Spain
P. BEAR long live spain means you have little to no Basque roots
@@michaelcooper4010 why exactly is that? Blas de Lezo was Basque and Spanish, Unamuno was Basque and Spanish, the king of Navarra and navarrese (basques) troops fought in the battle of Navas de Tolosa, the famous requetes who fought for Franco were mainly Basques and Navarrese who spoke little to no Spanish...
Educate yourself before stating things like that, too many basques have died for Spain for you to say that because of ETA which is a very recent thing in history
Nice
2:28 Not really. It was more of a dynastic union than other thing. The kingdoms had their own laws, taxation, official language, police...
Also that flag is official since 1843, and was designed in the 1740s.
As a non independentist catalan I have to say that the video is quite objective, however it has some errors, like using the independentist flag (the one with blue and the star and created in the XX century) the whole video when talking about Catalonia and not the Senyera which is the official flag.
Nice
Thank you for the information. I am a Creole American American, I meat a Man in Barcelona that I am interested in. He is Catalan. This interaction was the first time hearing about the Catalan people. I want to respect who he is...
Hilbert coming in clutch with those well-timed videos that double his subscriber count
You have a problem with "succession war" in Spain, please read more about this
Very nice mate. Topical. Love it.
Feels like a good basic explanation but fails hard on many details.
Catalonia was never a self governed kingdom, and the language they speak did never define a nation. You can find other regions in Spain that used very similar variations of latin to Catalan, such as Valencia and Balearic Islands.
In fact, because of this language connection, some catalan independentists claim those regions should also be part of what they call "Paisos Catalans" which is a complete nonsense without any historical support (and also refused by the inhabitants of the other regions).
Something you also didn't mention is that Catalonian people voted in favor of a constitutional referendum in 1978, which defined them as an autonomous region, gave Catalan the same level of importance as Castillian (Spanish) in their region, and a level of self government no other european region (except some other Spanish ones) can compare to.
This same constitution that was voted back then stated that this country model could not be undone unless it was voted by the whole country, which is the main point now. The very basic reason why some Catalonians want independence is because it has become a wealthier region in average. They believe separating from the rest of Spain will increase their income since they won't have to share it with lower income regions. It's not about self government, freedom, democracy or language, since that's all more than guaranteed.
Nice video and great videos in general. What Editor do use btw? History is cool.
As catalan I have to say that your pronunciation is awesome, but one thing that I have to say is that our oficial flag is ne one with just 4 red stripes and 5 yellow. In any case that video is really good!
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“Whilhelmus van Nassau ben ik van Duitsen bloed”
Love it, interesting as well.
Den Vaderland Getrouwe
Blijf Ik Ton In Den Dood
Dutch still sounds and looks too me like a 2 year old is trying to speak/write in German
Even more interesting is the last line with respect to this video:
de koning van Hispanje heb ik atijd geëerd (I've always honoured the king of Spain).
NaomiClareNL: Especially considering that it is the Dutch effectively saying that it is Spain's fault (specifically Phillip II) for the eighty years war.
There is often the same confusion with the name Aragon.
To correct the speaker: it was not the Aragonese the "rulers" that were allowing Catalans to live like they wanted, but the other way round.
To clarify this, some facts resumed, and the consequences, why Catalonia ruled the Mediterranean Sea as an economic power.
The kingdom of Aragon was called so, because the rulers of Catalonia, that hold the title of Counts, always ruled in consensus with other counts in an area that reaches the Provence in current France touching Italy. The Count of Barcelona, the ruler of Catalonia and Occitania married the heiress of the kingdom of Aragon and became in this way King. The intention of the marriage was less to become king (which is only a title) as to have access to Aragons great granary, because Catalunya was seat oriented, commerce oriented. This is why to this point in history Catalonia starts to expand in the Mediterranean Sea becoming in the 14th century the main seapower there.
Anyway, ARAGON, is a cool name, because it reminds to Dragon, an important Catalan symbol, since the patron of Catalonia is St. George, who is always depicted as fighting the dragon, a symbol of the Yin/Yang. In some places in Catalonia you find the representation of St. George with the motto: "cogita et age" (think and act).
-Redrak
Maybe some lessons about degrees of kinship could help.
1st - Parent
2nd - Brother/Sister
3th - Aunt/Uncle
4th - Cousin
5th - 2nd Cousin
Now, lets do the same with the Nobility degrees:
1st - King/Queen
2nd - Princes/Princess
3rd - Duke/Duchess
4th - Marquis/Marchioness
5th - Count/Countess
And you say that it was not the KINGDOM of Aragon the "ruler" that were allowing Catalans from several COUNTIES to live like they wanted, but the other way round. Weeeeee!
To clarify this, some facts resumed, and the consequences, why Catalonia ruled the Mediterranean Sea as an economic power, and why the GB only rule over the waves... (obviously not the mediterranean ones).
The kingdom of Aragon was called so, because the rulers of Catalonia...
Kingdom of Aragon was born in 1035. The count of Barcelona married the Princess of Aragon in 1137, and probably that is the reason because the name of Kingdom of Aragon perdured instead the Kingdom of the Count of Barcelona.
Anyway, CATALONIA is a cool name, because remind me Castile, land of castles :)
I don´t understand for what reason you put these lists. Anyway, a count has no kingdom (as you are telling), but a county. In the case of the Count of BCN he was a ruler of a series of counties with whom he had to a great extent familiar ties. However, your account does not deny the issue I was talking about, namely the fact that the ruler of the so called Kingdom of Aragon/Catalonia (like experts put it to clarify precisely what I am talking about and avoid confusion) were the successors of the count of BCN, and obviously the Queen of Aragon. Besides this, I read recently, to put it more clearly and certify what I was saying, that the original King of Aragon, father of Peronila, left the kingdom to the count of Barcelona. Of course this didn´t mean, that the Aragonese nobility had nothing to say. Much the contrary was the case, because they were always making troubles and the king (Dynasty of the counts of Barcelona) had to go to Aragon (at least in the beginning) to hold the so called "corts" (assemblies). To illustrate the importance of the title "Count of Barcelona", remember that the father of Juan Carlos I, hold this title as his main one.
"Statements which, although literally true, are nevertheless misleading".
You should read something else than History written by and for catalans ;)
Hi Hilbert. I'm fascinated by accents. Where are you from? SE England? Have you a parent from South Dublin?
It was a good an neutral review of the situation. The reason the kingdom of Aragon and hence Catalonia suported the Hapbsburg in the Sucesion wars was because they promised to keep the status quo, the rights, laws and privileges. However the Borbon (french house) won the war, they wanted to unite the country and abolish the ”old situation”. The regions that belonged to the Kingdom of Aragon (not only Catalonia) lost their rights, laws and privileges. It is true but is more of an excuse than a reason for independence. The real reason is as always money. Catalonia is one of the most industrialized parts of Spain (financed by the central government) and decided that they are better off of all the burdens of paying taxes and supporting other regions.
Please go ahead and make the second video, I would love to hear the perspective of an outsider that is not influenced by the current political situation...not a sarcastic comment by the way, I really would like to know.
American here.
Before this almost nobody knew about it. I did have a friend who kept a Catalon flag in her room for a while.
Most people I know who heard about it yesterday or today are siding with Catalonia because of Spanish police suppressing the vote. We're seeing all the pictures of people hurt by rubber bullets
I'm Australian but I've been to the Catalonia bit of Spain. Most people you talk to seem to be keen to want Independence, there are Catalan flags everywhere and most signs are in Spanish and Catalan. They are net losing tax money as well and i could see how that might be a bit harder to swallow when its to not the most healthy state in the world.Also Spain might try and keep them out of the EU- then again all they'd have to do is up beer tax and make all the money back on drunk English tourists.
agree
As a Sicilian, I very much side with the people of Catalonia. We share a similar history of being stormed and conquered, then suppressed. When Italy claimed our country, they all but outlawed our language, and today, not many speak it. Even if asked if we're Italian is considered an insult, meanwhile most Italians look down on us like we're beneath them. Both regions, Catalonia and Sicily would do well to establish their own nations.
Josh Sanders Just get your lot out of the Occupied Stolen six counties of Ireland.
This video is amazing! Lots of information and beautiful graphics. Please keep on making these videos, Hilbert! Love it, definitely gonna recommend this channel to my friends and family!
Spaniard here. It's not that the majority of Spaniards are against Catalan independence, we are against the illegal ways that they apply to do it. I wouldn't mind if Catalonia got independent as long as it's in the limits of the law and is democratically guaranteed. Right now, with this whole show, Catalan separatists are taking Catalan Unionists with them on this crazy ride without them having a say in it. BTW, about your last bit of the video. Never have I heard a Spaniard say that the Catalan language shouldn't be talked in Catalonia. Where did you get that information from?
Except that there isn't any legal way for them to become independent so what you are saying doesn't make sense and a perfect example of the "democracy" lies being told by Spain.
The "limits of the law" only grant Catalans the ability to decide their own future if all Spaniards decide as well. Do you think this is acceptable?
A lot of people who come from other parts of Spain aren't happy about the extent to which Catalan is used in our society.
Yes there is a legal way: A referendum in the WHOLE of Spain votes and there is a mayority of votes of favor of Cataluña being independent.
You said "if all Spaniards decide as well" it is called the Constitution and it is also called Democracy (a word that you fill your mouth with but don't know the meaning of) which Catalans vote in favour of massively: the result was 90% in favour with a 67,9% participation, compare that with the result of the independentist in the last autonomic vote (47,8% of the vote and a 74,9% participation).
Your pronunciation is quite good actually. Where are you from?
Jo visc a Barcelona, i vaig tenía molts problemes amb tot aixó, gracies per fer contingut en angles sobre catalunya
i'm a simple man, i see wilhelmus, i like
By "this man" you mean Lluís Companys. You found his picture, you might as well say who he was. Also I think the section on the Spanish Civil War needs to be expanded somewhat.
"This man" ( 4:58 ) was Francesc Macià, a Liutenant of the Spanish Army that was contrary to the attacks of the Spanish army to Catalan satirical newspaper (Cu-Cut!) and the neighboring newsroom of a normal newspaper close to the first (La veu de Catalunya / The voice of Catalonia), as a form of complaint he enrolled in a catalanist party to go as candidate to the elections for parliament of Spain. In order to punish him, the Spanish state sent him to Cantabria meanwhile he was there was elected as member of the Spanish Parliament.
First he was monarchist but because the politics applied by the monarchic governments during the Spanish Restorationn he transitioned from monarchism to federal republicanism and later on to independentism/confederalism, he founded several political organizations during his life, the most notorious the party "Estat Català" (Catalan State party). He tried in 1923 during the Dictatorship of Primo the Rivera a popular-military uprising but a Mussolini spy Ricciotti Garibaldi Jr (grandson of Giuseppe Garibaldi) leaked the details of the uprising to the Spanish government and was quickly disarticulated by the French Gendarmerie. Francesc Macià went into exile and returned 1 month after the fall of the dictature of Primo de Rivera and founded with the party "Estat Català" and other parties the party "Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya" (currently in catalan government in coalition with a party born from "Unió Democràtica de Catalunya" decades ago).
The 14th April of 1931 he proclaimed the Republic of Catalonia inside a confederation with the other republics of Spain. But the provisional government of the Spanish Republic went to talk with him and other catalan politicians and made him to withdraw the proclamation of the catalan republic to grant him the command of a catalan institution that was eliminated in 1714 after the war of succesion, the Generalitat.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesc_Macià
@@johanbdln Massive!!
I LOVE all your videos except: Why does every video you play have a sudden break (here at 2:55) into that picture showing a flag while playing a national anthem (I think that is what it is?) What country is that? Is that country the an important part (or more important than other countries) or the main point of the video? Often you don't even explain why, like we are supposed to understand why you showed that bit. Why did you show that bit this time (for example), you did not even say why (I'm guessing they were on one side of the War of Spanish secession, but you did not even say so, nor did you say what side they were on, and somehow the presentation of that bit seemed to indicate it was a VERY important detail, but you left me wondering how the they were part, and how they are more important than Catalonia or Spain in this video, as that bit implies.) What country is it? I am guessing it is the Netherlands or something (based on the timing when it appears in other videos) but, in reality, I don't know for sure (since you don't tell us), nor do you rarely explain why it appears in all or most of your videos. It is some sort of running joke? Are you Dutch? I know that isn't the current Dutch flag, so it is from somewhere else?
various mistakes, one of them Navarre wasn't conquered and annexed by Spain until 1521, in your map you show Granada Kingdom independent of Spain and Navarre already conquered, this is wrong, Granada was conquered in 1492, Navarre will remain independent until 1521, correct this please
Good video, but you really need to distinguish between calling the Spanish language “Spanish” and Castellano or Castilian in English because Spaniards especially Catalans are very sensitive to this. Man, you’ll get a tongue lashing or get corrected at least if you say speak Spanish to me instead of saying speak Castilian to me since a Catalan speaker, as well as the other minority languages, consider their own language “Spanish” as well. Just something to keep in mind. Also, historically Spanish wasn’t called Spanish until relatively recently in the modern era. It was referred specifically as Castellano. Hell, even in the Philippines, they still call it that.
Thank you, however because this video is in English I'll continue to use the term the vast majority are familiar with which is Spanish (I think in some of the maps I even put or mention that's it's the Spanish from Castile?) I swear English has its own rules about foreign linguistics, like in Dutch the Frisian spoken in the Netherlands is called "Het Fries", but that means "Frisian" which linguistically can be mixed up with any of the other Frisian languages, however the English "West Frisian" is easily confused with Dutch "West Fries" which refers only to a dialect spoken in de Kop van Holland. To keep it simple I just stick with the English as this is what most people are most familiar with.
History With Hilbert Thank you for your response. I get where you’re coming from. I just wanted to alert you with that historical tidbit. Just a brief mention in the video would’ve been fine. “Het fries”? Sounds like Hot fries to new. What a confusing situation as well.
I'm Spanish, from Barcelona... Castellano and Español mean the same to us. We usually say Castilian instead of Spanish, though :/
In the Philippines, we call Spanish Kastila,, more often, than Español or Espanyol.
aalmi002 - Both Castellano and Español are gramatically correct in Spain. Source: RAE. If you get upset because one may say Sapnish in your presence is your problem. The other languages are not considered Spanish but co-official in Spain
you kinda make it sound like "the catalans feel independent" but we're talking about a minor group of catalonians. The majority want to stay with Spain, but those aren't the ones you see on TV
See, you are wrong
I'm Mallorcan Catalan is spoken, what happens in Catalonia is that four people are becoming the victim and that people are breaking the law and want to make a referendum. To me it seems good but they only want independence 2 million to 5, and they have been about to become independent these people leaving aside all their fellow citizens
Can you prove the other 5 million are against independence?
In the past elections, even though a unionist party won, the pro-independence parties got more votes than the Constitutionalist parties.
Guillem Moreno and the guy doesn't even take in account that real Catalans are less than 3M of the populace, the others are immigrants who diluted our voting pool
Freedom for the Republic of Catalonia from aggressive Spanish colonialism. Catalans ♥🇫🇷
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Why is there a gold-purple-gold banner being some of the images...?
I know there was purple once in a Spanish flag...which is glorious, and I see you've coloured Catalonia/Aragorn purple too, but is there a real connection with Catalonia??
Great video! Would've loved if you went into the CNT-FAI though.
Dank Memer Screamers They tried to anarchy, but Franco said no, and killed them all. The End.
I would also like to see a video on the CNT-FAI. It was always my understanding that it was the Stalinists not Franco that crushed them.
the same reason bolshevicks crush makhno ... they don't like copetition
I have to say that actually there was a successful anarchyst revolt where they took control of the streets and many businesses in Catalonia, until uncle Franco came to kill everyone.
the stalinists killed them and they did the same thing with the communists of the P.O.U.M.
Hey, so I'm Catalan, and wanted to give some of my insight on this. From where I see it, the wish of independence and the feeling of alienation of the Catalans has been broiling throughout history, due to the repression of their culture. When the democracy arrived, this manifested itself in the form of the nationalist parties, whose political interest revolves around ideas of independence and cultural preservation (these parties exist for regions like Galicia, Catalonia and País Vasco, which wave their own language and folkloric background)... And fair enough, but I never liked the modern independence movement...
It looks like a very aimless, passion driven political force to me. I've grown up and studied in Catalonian regions, and I have experienced the indoctrination that some (a fair amount) of the teachers perpetrated in their classes (Catalan language was the greatest hornet nest). In these regions, people with traditional backgrounds have been carrying these feelings for a long time, and its not rare to see them manifest these political drives. In fact, this nationalist mindset is very attached to the culture itself.
Of course, these people have played their cards well, making sensationalistic videos in which they are shown as victims of a tyrannic state, sending out pictures of the police brutality they suffered, etc... But DON'T FALL FOR THIS, its a propaganda strategy. Police force was sent in because the local police of those regions (mossos d'esquadra) were wilfully opposing their duties in favor of the nationalist ideology, and so external forces were required. By the way, these "mossos" are no saints, in fact they are fairly well known for their brutality, and there WAS violence on their side too, but of course the ideologues won't show you that. They are not victims, they are manipulators.
If you want to see a BLATANT piece of propaganda on these people's part, watch this. They even took some time off to make it in English! I mean, look at how they talk, like there is some sort of civil war...Very sneaky:
th-cam.com/video/a8mpgoAdJN8/w-d-xo.html
I've never been attracted to this movement, in fact I despise it. I've been standing their indoctrination throughout my childhood, and know bullshit when I see it, BUT I personally don't oppose a democratic process to be held in their interest.
Aragón was a confederation with the main city being Barcelona. Catalans had the political leadership and lead also the Mediterranean expansion. That´s why Aragon has the coats of arms of the Counts of Barcelona.
Redrak
A callar panque,si es al revés
Jajajaja eso, no es, cierto, además, el predominio de Barcelona duro hasta principios del siglo XIV, gran parte del mismo y el, siglo XV la ciudad más importante de la corona de Aragón fue Valencia.
@@tonyapaya8807 Cataluña Principado trece reyes en tres siglos, Valencia un siglo y poco mas de capitalidad. Además si Valencia logró tal esplendor, en parte fué por la emigración hacia alli de catalanes por la guerra civil catalana (1462-72)
@@su_morenito_1948 aun más: Aragón cambió sus armas por las barras catalanas como se ve en su escudo actual
Catalan language has not decreased because of laws that were approved in the past century, it's mainly because 70% of the population of Cataluña, are from outside of Cataluña (Most of them from other regions of Spain), so that's why Spanish language it's the most used language in the region. About the dictatorship, it's false that you were banned from speaking Catalan, they banned Catalan as an official language of the administration, but you could read books in Catalan and speak it. And it's also false that a lot of people in Spain say that Catalan shouldn't be an official language, most of them are happy to have both official languages in the region.
You deserve way more subs, keep up the good work.
As a Scot who strives for independence, long live Catalonia!
As a Valencian who strives for the independence, of the Països Catalans, long live Scotland!
You cant say It loudly or you Will be beaten by the police
Catalonia also didn't suffer as much as the rest of Spain during the Great Recession. Spain's economy is stagnant, and some Catalonians feel stuck paying taxes just to keep the rest of the nation afloat. I don't really support either side here, but I think that it is worth mentioning economic reasons.
The name Catalonia has an Arabic origin and is hung from the word Qetal, which means fight. Because there is no letter Q (ق) in Latin languages, it was replaced by the letter C, so Qetal became cetal and pronounced Ketal. As for Cataloni, it means they killed me. And if we convert it to the name of a country in the Arabic language, we must add the suffix a or the suffix ah to become Cataloniah ,Katalonia , Qatalonia or Catalonia Greetings to you from the Arab Republic of Egypt
I thought it had the root as "land of castles"? possibly both?
La première mention du nom Catalunya est dans le Liber Mailichinus écrit entre 1115 et 1155 par Henri de Pise. Plusieurs hypothèses quant à l'origine de Catalunya :
- l'ancien peuple ibère des Laketani, devenu Kastellanoi au II ème siècle (la plus probable),
- le pays des Goths (Gothlandia) ou celui des Goths et des Allains (Gothallandia), (moins probable)
- les gens des châteaux (comme en Castille) : castrum en latin.
L'hypothèse d'un nom d'origine arabe rejoint la troisième option : "Qalat" ou "Qsar" pour château. La Castille comme la Catalogne étaient couvertes de châteaux, forteresses, tours et fortins, car en première ligne pour la Reconquista.
@@lafamilleerre7733 plz type in english
@@HMM.11 Héééé... Difficile... I don't speak english. I try :
The first book where the word "Catalunya" is present is Liber Mailichinus (writer Henri de Pise, 1115/1155). Hypothesis... (?) for the origin of Catalunya :
- iberic people which named "Laketani", becoming Kastellanoi (second century) : very probable... (?) very possible ?
- land of Goth or Goth's land (Gothland, Gothlandia) or land of Goth and Allain (other germanic people) Gothallandia : less possible... less probably ?
- people whom live in castle (like Castilla) : origin castrum in latin language,
This last hypothesis... came with the arab origine hypothesis because Catalunya has many castles to defend the territory against Maure expansion (muslim expansion).
Do you understand ? Sorry for my (very) poor english !
@@lafamilleerre7733 I don't know what your mother tongue is but I suggest you use Google translate if you are weak in English
As for Gotland, it is also derived from Arabic, and it is made up of two syllables, Juth, which means relief, and Land, which means land. By combining the two syllables, it becomes the land of relief.
Jawth means relief in Arabic
Let my friend know that the Arabic language has been influenced by all the languages of the earth, even the Indian, Persian, Maltese, Sicilian, Turkish, Spanish and English languages, due to the spread of Islam in the entire planet, and even recently, Arabic words have been adopted in many languages, such as the words of jihad, God, peace be upon you, and others.
And if the Western media portrayed Muslims and Arabs as terrorists and distorted their image in front of the whole world, which made the whole world hate Arabs and Muslims and deny their virtue, this does not mean that we blur the facts and deny the virtue of Arabs, Muslims and the ancient civilization of Egypt over the whole world, and every human being must study the truth and know the Arabs and Muslims for what they really are.
Spain is one and united. Every country has a region who wants to detach itself. They never even think of consequences political and economical
This whole independence thing in Catalonia is about money. The Catalans have all types of freedoms and have their own parliament and can speak what ever language they want. What it is all about is money pure an simple is that Spain is going through hard economic times and Catalonia is doing relatively better than other parts of the country . So they are like a family member that is unwilling to help other members of the family. If the economy were to turn around and the Catalans saw a monetary benefit, the minority that is asking to be independent would further diminish. Catalonia has never been a separate nation and do not have the constructional right to secede. So those that want to lead Catalonia in this path madness for independence better put on their seat belts they are in for a rough ride.
i will never be ashamed for being catalan and i wont stop speaking my language just because someone that i dont care about tells me so, thanks for speaking up about it
I was looking for a descent history of Catalonia, and then my favourite channel goes and makes a video about it. Could I ask for anything better?
Catalonia
Aaaah...once again I go:
(Sorry if my English is so poor)
Aragon and Castile wasn't a united kingdom until the establishment of the Borbonic monarchy after the war of spanish sucession.
before this, both kingdoms were ruled by the same king but they maintained their own different institutions.
In the kingdom of Castile the monarch had a huge power but in the Crown of Aragon his power was limited, Aragon had a structure similar to a federation(not only Catalonia was special, as this video says, also Valencia and the Mediterranean territories).
Navarre became a viceroyalty inside the Kingdom of Castile.
The Habsburgs maintained that medieval system all the time of their monarchy.
When in the beginning of the 18th century Charles II(the last Habsburg in Spain)died with no descendancy, his sister had married with the king of France Louis XIV Bourbon and they claimed the throne of Spain for his grandson Philip Bourbon but Charles(other Habsburg relative of Austria)claimed the throne for himself because he was a true Habsburg, the war of spanish sucession began.
It was a international and internal conflict:
in the peninsula Castile and Navarre supported the French candidate, because of he wanted brought centralist system to Spain,
and Aragon supported the Austrian candidate because of he wanted maintained the same system of the previous Habsburgs.
France lost the international war but won in the peninsula.
Spain had to give it European territories to the winners but the Bourbons had settled in the Spanish throne
and punished Aragon with a new decree("Decretos de nueva planta")that forced it to accept the same laws as Castile.
However, Navarre maintained their own institutions until the liberal reforms of the 19th century that sought the legal unification of the country and the traditional life way of Navarre came into danger, produced a new cycle of wars: the carlist wars.
Thank you very much for this most educational video about the history of Catalonia !!!
In 1713, with the Treaty of Utrecht, the Succession war ended. But in Catalonia they went on fighting, more than 1 year till 11th September 1714. From July 1713 till September 1714 it is clear that those Catalans didn't fight for a King or another, they fought for their freedom, for our freedom. They were much less in number but the defense was heroic. They defended to death our Catalan language, our laws (there were laws only in Catalunya, there were assemblees of Catalan representants here, "les Corts Catalanes"...), also under the Franco dictatorship the Catalan remained in resistance and organized secretly courses of Catalan language and maintained our identity. Thank you for your contribuition, I think it helps to understand why currently the Catalan Nation is pushing towards independence.
Hi Hilbert, I´m afraid all this independent movement is based on a series of historical lies that have been refuted several times. In the war against the napoleonic invasion Catalonia resisted the invasion and sent representatives to the constitutional assembly that wrote the 1812 constitution and supported a unified state. When bourbons won the war they established a centralised state and reformed the goverment, which resulted in a loss of autonomy for every region in Spain. Catalan language was only spoken in rural áreas until the XIXth century, when the myth of a different Catalonia was built. This process was called renaixensa, and, while it was a possitive movement in the begining they ended up changing history and manipulating children though education a 100 years later.
This was writtten by a British historian that lives in Barcelona, i hope you can translate it. www.elmundo.es/cronica/2014/09/07/540ae35a22601d63028b4574.html
Would love to hear more about the spanish side of this argument. Seems like everyone is pro-catalon (understandable because police brutality) but I'd still like to hear both sides
I’m pro Spanish and we don’t need another country in Europe to take care of, all independence will cause Is problems
I'm pro Spain.
Here is my Argument.
1. Catalonia is probably the most prosperous region of Spain, and it's loss would be crippling for the country. This would further increase economic leverage of the more prosperous European nations in both Spain and Catalonia.
2. Unless Spain leaves the EU, or Spain is "strongly encouraged" to allow Catalonian entry into the EU Catalonia could not join the EU, which would result in a loss of EU privileges, most notably free trade with Europe, and Catalonia's economy isn't diverse enough to leave the EU without taking a major hit..
3. The Catalonians already have bee granted privileges of having political autonomy, and Catalan culture is enforced throughout Catalonian provinces, with education in these provinces being forced to be taught in their tongue (with a few exceptions). The Catalonian governments seem, from my perspective to treat Castilian Spanish like the québécois government treats English, that is, it it is to be suppress to prevent Spanicicing the Catalonian Populace.
I think the video is quite neutral, some inacuracies but for undertanding the base is quite right. About the two sides u can find em in the same catalonia; Im from valencia, a region south of catalonia that speaks a similar lenguage but here the independent movement is really small. Since i remember, i have 40 years, there has always been a independent movement in catalonia but it gained force from the 2000's and in the 2010's more than ever. I think the principal factors had been the increase in the centralization of power and above all the economical and political crisis. Add to that that in the rest of spain a party that has no power in catalonia has governed for almost 20 years and that it has some reminiscense of the dictatorial regime and that makes the diference betwen catalonia and the rest get bigger. About the independence i found it hard to come to be couse there are lot of ppl in catalonia who dont want to get out of spain for varied reasons. think the main stream in the rest of spain is that catalonia is a part of spain, they voted for the current constitution and have no right to be independent or make a referendum without the consent of the rest of the country. My personal opinion is that if the spanish government had alowed a referendum and made a good campaign all this problem would not have come to fruition nad independence would lose, but the independent movement would have been there for future crisis and some thay they ll get out of spain, and that is not something the central government wanted.
freedom for Catalonia p.s. great video
Stefán Atli Þorvaldsson Thanks!
Martín Díaz Cuesta
Haha fuck off Francoist
the other half or more of catalans don't want independence. here in catalonia the goverment makes political propaganda about independece and they have no respect to us.
Obey your masters, Catalonia
Fuck you, dumbass.
At 1:36 you say the Christians repelled the Muslim "invasion". I feel like this is some modern Spanish Nationalism stuff to downplay the Muslim influence in Al-Andalus. Muslims ruled Spain for roughly 500 years... I wouldn't call that an "invasion" so much as a long standing empire.
And Europeans have ruled the Americas for that long, and indigenous populations still see it as an invasion.
Just because they stayed a while and built a lot of cool stuff (I mean have you seen the Gran Mezquita or the Alhambra!!?) doesn't mean their conquest wasn't an invasion.
Actually Ferdinand of Aragon was also castillian, in fact Ferdinand and Isabella were both from the same noble family, the Trastamara. The truth turning point in the history of Spain was 1411 when Saint Vincent of Valencia endorsed a Castillian King for the Aragon Crown.
Like a Catalan I am, I would like to say you please use the official flag (w/out star). Also I would like to say that Spanish is the most spoken language here but at school we must speak Catalan.
I hope we be Spaniards like always.
Regards from Barcelona!
Miniherrera11 back to your spain you immigrant
You‘re in idiot
That map of Spain is not very good. The yellow ocean and yellow land is somewhat difficult to see.
Noted, I'll make sure to avoid that next time
You haven't noticed the sky and the sea in Spain is orange or yellow. Hollywood movies are the proof. And be careful with the bulls running through the streets. xd
People, just to let you know latest news and the consecuences of all this thing.
Sabadell bank has just communicated that it moves (now!) its headquarters outside of Catalonia to Alicante.
Sabadell bank is the fifth largest bank in the "old" Spain.
Caixabank decides tomorrow. Both are two banks recognized Catalans since ever.
Others will follow, and not only the banks.
Miguel Ángel Mansilla els traïdors fora, prefereixo una Catalunya comunista a una Catalunya Castellana
Your video is quite objective/neutral but let me add you lost yourself a bit in the separatist version of the story:
1) Catalans fought against Napoleon in the 1700s and 1800s with Spanish flags, when you said they were feeling oppressed, so oppressed they defended Spain when there was no Spanish government to do it.
2) Catalan was an almost extinct language like the others in Spain by the end of the 19th century. The problem is separatist want to create a continuity in terms of history.
3) Catalonia didn’t exist as any concept or idea until the 900s they were part of Hispania and Visigothic Spania. And even then in the middle ages they were a set of separate counties. Aragon was a feudal kingdom and had to respect the lords in this case counts of Catalonia. This changes as the politics in Europe change, monarchies became absolutist and Spain too and the Catalan counts lost their power like every lord in every piece of European soil, starting with France where the king said “l’état, c’est moi” (The state, I am the state).
4) Your first mistake is thinking 1700s Catalans cared at all about their lords having power over their taxes, it was not an educated, democratic society with social media! The only ones bothered by the counts not having any more money from their peasants were the counts, not the peasants. *The Catalan peasants didn’t care who collected their taxes, the Catalan lords did.*
5) Catalan separatism has no historical continuity, at least not more than Provence in France (for example). ALL of this comes from modern politics. Catalan nationalism in the Romantic movement when the Spanish empire was collapsing started this, rescuing dead symbols and languages from times of the Reconquista, followed by Franco this was key for the victimhood, now every person against separatists is a fascist (an insult they inherited from Franco’s times and they keep calling everyone that is not in agreement with them). The former president pf the Catalan parliament said those Catalans who are not separatist are not real Catalans, they are not part of the Catalan people. Can it get more nazi? If you don’t agree with me I take your citizenship from you.
*After Franco died the Spanish government was this guilty entity that had to repay for Franco with absurd things, the Basques were given full control of their taxes and investment from the rest pf Spain, very fair. Catalans REFUSED that agreement and VOTED FOR an indivisible Spain, after Franco! Where is the continuity?? 40 years ago Catalans were calling themselves Spanish and refusing privileges, now half of them want everything and independence, but it comes from ancient times you know, if you pick a Catalan book there was a concept of Catalonia in the times of the Greeks. Despite the Catalans defending Spain in the 1800.*
Lucas V. Thats true, Castillians are not Catalan, we might be Spanish but you can't claim being a Catalan, that's an ethnicity. Also if you vote against Catalan insterests and you are a Catalan you are just a botifler. Unless you have your Catalan surnames don't claim that you are Catalan, you are just an economic migrant or a colono if you please
Love Catalonia! ❤
Catalonia is now a martyr. Spain should have just had a fair vote (like a democracy.) Scotland was given a fair vote, and they voted to stay apart of the UK. If Spain had given a fair vote, Catalonia may have voted to stay apart the Kingdom of Spain. Or if it voted independance it may have been given a HK/PRC situation.
no subscribe the problem is that Catalonia is not a country like Scotland and it's not that easy to let them vote through legal means. First, the constitution should be changed in order to let them vote, but it's much easier for the Catalan separatist government to play the victim role and do it all though a fast track procedure. Anyway, the problem is much deeper than what it seems, it's not about voting, it's not about democracy. Because in Spain there IS democracy although they try to tear off the country's image. It's all about money and interests and rogue politicians that are breaking their own society. The problem is one more time the education.... please I encourage you all to get as much information as you can before stating nothing, from both parts
you mean a part of. apart actually means the opposite.
Right now I can only see one leg image outcome if you believe in democracy and free will. So the constitution needs to be changed, ok do it. The only thing that matters is the will of the people, everyone has the right to independence, to be part of or to leave something. History has shown that Catalonia has been controlled and oppressed, if they were equal partners they could leave by right but they are not obviously. The longer you make them wait and the harder you punish them, the worse it will be for everyone in Spain. Look at history, look at the history of terrorism and how it begins. It has always begun with violence from the dominant force. Essentially Spain is just giving birth to a new ETA. And for what reason? So that their map is larger? They could easily help them run the vote and with the transition if they want to leave. Then they would 1.) Be far less likely to lose the vote 2.) Have a ally forever as their neighbour and in Europe. Spanish politicians need to pull themselves out of the middle ages. You can't stop the wind.
+Rubén Glez.
I don't agree that it's "all" about money and interests and rogue politicians. Catalans have been trying to get out of Spain since at least 1641. There's a very good video at th-cam.com/video/mt31tCJdsLE/w-d-xo.html - an outsider's look at the history of the Catalans and of their desire for independence, shown by the BBC nearly forty years ago, before some of the current Generalitat were out of school. (The video has subtitles in English, Castilian and Catalan). So this present situation is not something stirred up in the last few years by Puigdemont, or Mas, or Pujol, for their own benefit. There is a very deep desire to be recognised and respected in a way that the Spanish state can't offer; and the desire for statehood is the natural consequence of that.
Fake news maaaan
LONG LIVE UNIFIED SPAIN!
VIVA ESPAÑA!!!
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Half of the world has literally declared it's independence against Spain.
Spain has never been unified, because a real union is one in which all parts feel equal, feel represented and feel they have a choice. Spain it's just a colonizer country, not a unifying one.
Visca Espanya!
@@jonathanm9069 this is literally the only english reply.....
why not state the years these events took place? You said Sept 11th but of what year?
There’s a Spanish exchange student in my Chem class and I said “Long live the Great Catalonian Republic” to her as a joke. Her stare could freeze Hell
Cool video and thanks for sharing this History With Hilbert
Thanks for watching!
While the Catalan motivations for independence are old and deep rooted, it's been the recent authoritarian attitude by Madrid which has triggered this crisis. In other words, it's due to Rajoy's political and diplomatic incompetence. He reminds me the old Spaniards who imposed their will with a "¡Porque lo digo yo y punto!" Well, the World doesn't work like that anymore.
And a friend told me that the secessionists reminds him of a spoiled little boy in the supermarket crying and sobbing on the floor until he gets what he wants.
And the world should not work like that anymore either :)
Plain and simple, that is what's happened. That right there was a better and more on point summary than this entire video.
jjeherrera pero que tonterías dices chaval. Se trata de aceptar un referéndum de un territorio que ni es colonia y que ni siquiera ha sido reino alguna vez, ni obviamente ha sido remotamente reprimido ¿ en que país vives, hijo. Y lo ultimo que dices es de traca, atribuyes el gobierno español justo lo que hace los independentistas catalanes. Independencia "¡Porque lo digo yo y punto!"
Crafty-Jane No, what has happened is just the opposite; the independentist says that he has to be independent because yes and that's all, or if you prefer, that he has to have a referendum because yes and a point. That is, it is the opposite of what the other says. They are the independentistas the intolerant and fanatics. The Spanish government is limited to defending its country as they do all.you're English? Why do not you defend a referendum in Northern Ireland? that in addition that yes that is a colony
I pensar que podria haver buscat i trobat el video en castellà o català i ho he fet amb anglès. Molt bon treball et felicito !
The Balearic Islands including Ibiza have two official languages: Catalan and Spanish.
Catalonia was very happy with the 2nd Republic? In 1934, the Generalitat rebelled against the central Goverment, that had to declare the state of war and to intervene with the army. During the Civil War, there were many Catalans with the national side, and they were of great support for the Franco dictatorship.
So, it sounds like the Catalonians are fighting for nothing essential.
Ikr
Do U know what a Democracy is? In a Democracy the people vote the laws (like New England town halls). With a Republic, elected representatives vote the laws. do you no err by saying Spain became a democracy after Franco?
Here's where you're wrong, Spain is not a democracy. They can call themselves a democracy but they're not. A real democracy would allow the people to make important decisions which Spain does not. However, the fact that Spain is not a democracy but a constitutional monarchy makes them more insistent on letting Catalonia balkanize from Spain. If anything, I think Spain is just too constitutional.
*Not letting
I don't understand why would anyone support the separatists. Unions make countries stronger - not separatism.
It's funny how they didn't want independence when they were oppressed, but now that they have more freedom and autonomy than ever suddenly they no longer want to be a part of Spain. Why is that?
For all the people commenting "Freedom for Catalonia" - Would you want your country to be divided into several small countries based on traditions or language dialects? Maybe we should also divide the USA into Indian, Latino, Asian, Afro-American and European counties each one with it's traditions and language?
Self determination supercedes making nations "strong", the catalans want to be free, illustrated by a 90% yes vote.
Faggzila Cokdunker Except Spain has literally bent over backwards to satisfy the Catalonians, granting them quite generous amount of self-autonomy and allowing them to run their own institutions, gather their own police force, handle civil law, etc. etc.
Spain is fucked. They haven't a pot to piss in. I'd go it alone too!
No ammount of autonomy can keep a people who don't want to be under a political union under said political union, and to send in jackbooted thugs to beat people, who legally were just gathering together and casting a completely non binding vote.
Unions not always makes countries stronger look at EU with look of Poland
Hola Hibert…..te recomiendo que visites España...y te entrevistes con profesores de Historia de la universidades de Barcelona, Salamanca, Madrid, Zaragoza y Sevilla...….Creo que no tienes toda la información, y te estas equivocando en poner este tipos de videos sin tener toda la información. Es cierto que con poco tiempo no se puede hacer un video de la historia de un país....Pues lanzas por capítulos en una serie.....EL ERROR DE CUALQUIER HISTORIADOR. ES LANZAR UN ASUNTO HISTORICO SIN TENER LOS RECURSOS Y LAS FUENTES CORRECTAS DE INFORMACION.....Y TU HAS COMETIDO ESE ERROR....BRAVO POR TUS VISITAS A TU CANAL....PERO ESTAS GENERANDO CONFLICTOS....Y ESO NO LO HACE NADIE DIGNO DE CALIFICARSE AMANTE DE LA HISTORIA Y A QUIEN LE GUSTE LA HISTORIA...
Love catalunya from kurdistan
KURDİSTAN❤CATALONİA
I've been to the Spanish part and the french part of Catalonia and they are a lot of support for independence.
Visca el Barca visca el Catalunya
A so-so history, or perhaps less than so-so. A good history would not try to distill 20th century politics and civil war and focus on what makes Catalans “different” from Spaniards, and how those differences could lead to a passionate stand off.
Respect to Catalonian ,,from Kurdistan
Where have you found the information? your video is quite inaccurate, sorry to say vv (just starting by the flags to the rest)