It must be said- the FRS had a better looking front fascia than the GT86. Everything else is better in the GT86. The BRZ is still a better buy than both if you want more 'toys.' Still hoping that either company gives this car at least 30 whp more and 30 Ft-lbs
So much hate for the new 86 front bumper.. I honestly thought it looked bad when I saw it in pictures, but I just bought one and in real life this car is gorgeous (bright red with TRD springs and TRD catback). Of course you won't win any drag races, but the car is fun, rewarding and feels fast when you push it at the limits, and that is way more important in my opinion than straight power. Traded the FiST for this 86, and no regrets here.
agreed, the bumper doesn't translate well on camera but looks really good in person. Looks way more aggressive than the old one imo and less of a "ricer" look.
More torquey indeed :P. Honestly it felt faster but wasn't that much faster, assuming you're using the right gear in the 86. If I had to summarize the differences, I would say the FiST is more direct (better turn-in, more aggressive brakes, big torque) and more fun while the 86 feels more natural and rewarding (better ergonomics, RWD, low CoG, etc). I made a little post on reddit where I try to explain the differences if you're interested: www.reddit.com/r/ft86/comments/6wcfq5/traded_the_fist_for_an_86/
Yes It had lift-off oversteer. It made some interesting moments at the track, it was fun for sure! But if you try to foor it mid-corner, it will understeer a little.
The fiesta has a noticeably worse ride than the 86 believe it or not :P, because of the rear twist beam, the tire profile and the suspension setup. And the seat are way more aggressive than those in the twins.
A little worse than the frs, and I have lowering springs on my 86! lol but it isn't a deal breaker, they are comparable. I think the biggest difference is the independent rear suspension in the frs vs the twist beam in the FiST
Great comparo. I don't remember seeing you driving cars and talking about them while in motion, but section looked fantastic. You should consider that in future vids!
My dealer pushed an 86 hard to me the other day since it's one of the very few cars light enough to be towed behind my 4 cylinder Tacoma. Toyota has come a long way since 2013 for sure (I have a 2013 Tacoma) and even farther in the last decade when it comes to making better, more exciting cars
I know only the MT version has the upgraded red intake manifold and revised final gear ratio, but what about the exhaust manifold? Is that exclusive to the manual as well?
Automatics don't get any of the engine improvements, just the styling and interior changes. I'm guessing the auto might get the suspension changes but I'm not even sure about that.
I find it interesting that my wife’s 2014 86 (Japanese model) has push to start and digital A/C controls. Surely those features are available in the U.S. market on the 2018 models.
My 2012 uk came with LED daytime running headlights, sat nav system, duel climate control, heated seats, keyless entry and push button start. The 2017 one in the video was lacking in most of these.
Matt are you able to get your hands on the 860 edition? I would love to hear your opinion on that Vs the new 86. I just bought the supernova orange 860 and it's spectacular! Keep up the great work dude
The overall ratio of the rear increased, plus the 5/5 hp and torque. It is noticeable if you actually have enough money to buy and own one vs 96% of the replies on here.
@@consciousa6145 I ended up holding off and got a 2018 BMW m4 instead and a 98 integra gsr, and an Acura TL 04 within 3 years. I do have friends who have the car and it's reliable as long as you're on top of maintenance. But for a daily I'd recommend getting a Honda/Acura for peace of mind as it ways easier to work on and maintain and you can beat on it. I daily a Honda CRV 2021 fully loaded and I put 20k miles a year on my daily cars. Like you, I have a younger sis too, so its best to get them something more safe as all. All Hondas now come with standard safety features as well. If they want a more "expensive car" in the future, I'd say they should start off with a Honda first to gain more behind the wheel experience as well. No matter what a 2013 is still a good option but keep in mind its a 10 year old car with barely any safety features and is less modern now. When purchasing a car always keep account for maintenance records, do a test drive, and inspect the whole car. Good luck on the search for a car and stay safe!
@@markyazurin6304 Whoa bro just whoa, Those some nice of some cars..Thanks so much for this input took it all into consideration&landed her inside a SE Camry 2018 I soon would want to see her ina sports of some sort. so tempted but don’t not know how she’ll treat th
I test drove the BRZ and loved it, the problem is I currently drive a 2016 manual camaro ss and just wasn't convinced with the power the BRZ had. I think it just needs 50 more HP which I think is what this car needs. I know everyone says this car is meant for back roads and track driving. While that is true how many brz/86 owners use their cars at those places. So let's hope for at least a 50 hp upgrade.
Well it depends where you live. Most of my local roads are quite windy so a great handling car is a lot of fun. Anywhere in the middle of the country with all straight roads the 86 wouldn't shine. If you're looking for something smaller that handles similar to a BRZ with more power, consider the BMW M2. If the muscle cars didn't exist, there's a good chance I'd own one of those.
Matt Maran Motoring very true, I forgot to mention that I really just wanted to test drive the BRZ just to experience it not to trade my camaro, I love my camaro however I agree with you regarding the M2 such an amazing car. Thanks for replying.
You would have to be an idiot to purchase a brand new 2017 86 when you can just get a slightly used 2013 model for about 50% of the price that is probably already modified.
oyurcha1 some chassis stiffening on areas of the body for less body flexing, suspension wise minor tweaks into shocks and springs that's not as harsh as the 13-16 models more liveable for DD.
Yeah, Thank you Rain Santiago, I was hoping to hear exactly where those chassis stiffening points are. If I would to start thinking about using a car for the track, chassis dynamics and strength is one of the most important things to consider. Reinforcing the chassis is not fun. :)
oyurcha1 yep but I wouldn't rule out getting a used 13-16 models the aftermarket for suspension on these cars is massive though I would choose reputable companies like Eibach, Bilstein, Cusco, Ohlins.
Both of the ones I reviewed were from out of town, so getting them together at the same time is always tough. This one was easy to do since I had the 86 for a full week and my friend lives locally and owns the FR-S.
Well they address different things. The BRZ Performance Package only upgrades the brakes and dampers. This 86 I drove had the TRD exhaust, lowering springs and sway bars. Personally I never thought the BRZ brakes were awful, so I think the TRD parts on the 86 made a bigger difference and were more useful on the street.
Matt Maran Motoring the beauty of the 86 is how little you really need to do to enjoy the car messing around with the suspension really kills the fun of the car unless your hardcore tracking it.
IDK what Toyota was thinking, but the new 86 styling doesn't compare to the Scion's styling at all. I'm looking for a low mileage first gen. Release series right now.
Why is this so hard to understand?! Scion didn't make the FR-S! In 2012, the Toyota 86/Toyota GT86 and Scion FR-S were released to the whole world. But why were there 3 names in 2012? Because Toyota gave the U.S. and Canada the bootleg name, Scion FR-S but gave everyone else (Japan, China, Philippines, Russa, India, France, Australia, you name it...) the Toyota 86 or Toyota GT86 name. Toyota created the car and designed it both in 2012 and the refresh in 2017. Scion had nothing to do with it's design. It was all Toyota! The design of the car was by Toyota.The Scion FR-S was a Toyota designed car, ...with a Scion badge.
Those little underbite "fangs" on the 2017 are just too much. Otherwise not much to take issue with, and really glad that the US also gets the 86 name. It's just so much more appealing than Scion.
I never really cared for the looks of the FRS but I never found the car ugly. The 86 though that's one ugly front end. A bump of 5 horses is welcome but laughable.
SpyderRios it would've been justifiable if they gave it a 2.2 displacement at least it would improve overall powerband of the car. Honestly it was the final drive of the MT that made a better difference.
Man the Americans get a raw deal with the 86, in the UK climate control, the knee padding and just the general quality is waaay better than the stock 86 and FRS.
Did they design these cars 15 years ago? There's nothing about them that's really modern. I mean nothing. Their engine pretty much is the same Subaru has been using for over a decade. The interior isn't as nice or updated as my '06 Legacy was and doesn't really have any tech to speak of
Jake Kennedy the car is literally a throwback to how sport compacts performed during the late 90's 2000 that gave you analog response in handling and overall interior simplicity. I grew up with those cars during that car and of many that drive or own these cars it's enough. Well the FA20 motor itself is from the XV/Impreza with DI
I think the new 86 looks fine but IMO, the best looking is the BRZ. BRZ looks more aggressive with the different small details than the FRS/86. And the BRZ is surprisingly rare where I live whereas the FRS/86 are way more common.
Samuel Wu prices for the FRS on used market is really reasonable for what your getting the BRZ's are staying in hands of more matured responsible owners. For refinements BRZ is where it at.
The haters are gonna cry about how cheap the Winjets are lol. I'm glad for those Taiwan headlights no way I'm paying 2K at Toyota dealership for your holy grail JDM Monogram headlights. And look Toyota decided to finally give us one instead of those cheap halogens projectors that are so 1990's because everyone was getting the Winjets.
Fun fact: donuts are healthier than crystal meth.
Death is also healthier than meth.
If you consume the same amount, sure.
Good fact to know, thank you 😁
Indeed
I like the backend of the new 86 a lot more than the old FRS. If they kept the old FRS front end and the new 86 back, it would have been perfect.
All the differences are:
Front bumper
Steering wheel
Alcantara dash board
oh wait i forgot
and +1 Hp
RAN_ doomer lol every hp counts lmfao
Don't forget that Toyota owned scion
It must be said- the FRS had a better looking front fascia than the GT86. Everything else is better in the GT86. The BRZ is still a better buy than both if you want more 'toys.' Still hoping that either company gives this car at least 30 whp more and 30 Ft-lbs
BimmerMann It's not a GT86
Its badged as the GT86 in foreign markets. Same car though.
Well this aged well
I miss the tC, it was a cool little car.
Not a lot of people notice it, but the 2017 86 has a different rear bumper as well. It's has extra lines/curves
So much hate for the new 86 front bumper.. I honestly thought it looked bad when I saw it in pictures, but I just bought one and in real life this car is gorgeous (bright red with TRD springs and TRD catback).
Of course you won't win any drag races, but the car is fun, rewarding and feels fast when you push it at the limits, and that is way more important in my opinion than straight power.
Traded the FiST for this 86, and no regrets here.
agreed, the bumper doesn't translate well on camera but looks really good in person. Looks way more aggressive than the old one imo and less of a "ricer" look.
More torquey indeed :P.
Honestly it felt faster but wasn't that much faster, assuming you're using the right gear in the 86. If I had to summarize the differences, I would say the FiST is more direct (better turn-in, more aggressive brakes, big torque) and more fun while the 86 feels more natural and rewarding (better ergonomics, RWD, low CoG, etc).
I made a little post on reddit where I try to explain the differences if you're interested:
www.reddit.com/r/ft86/comments/6wcfq5/traded_the_fist_for_an_86/
Yes It had lift-off oversteer. It made some interesting moments at the track, it was fun for sure! But if you try to foor it mid-corner, it will understeer a little.
The fiesta has a noticeably worse ride than the 86 believe it or not :P, because of the rear twist beam, the tire profile and the suspension setup. And the seat are way more aggressive than those in the twins.
A little worse than the frs, and I have lowering springs on my 86! lol but it isn't a deal breaker, they are comparable. I think the biggest difference is the independent rear suspension in the frs vs the twist beam in the FiST
awesome, thanks matt...i've been waiting for this comparison...much needed.
I actually like the new front bumper! Lol
me 2
I dont really like it too much i like the 2013 version a lot better but a mix of both without those fang things would be neat
It looks like typical corolla lol
Anything 86, I click
thank you for making the intro better than last time
I think you didn't notice that the newer rims cave out and are angled out, which looks way better, the older ones seem just more or less straight.
Great comparo. I don't remember seeing you driving cars and talking about them while in motion, but section looked fantastic. You should consider that in future vids!
Thanks, that section was filmed for my standalone review of the 86 that I posted last week.
I would prefer a GT-86
Is the front bumper convertible? Like a successful conversion?
Velocity Orange is gorgeous. Unless that orange is called something else in the states to what it's called in Australia.
86 looks so damn good
yeah it does some people like the frs but i like the 86
My dealer pushed an 86 hard to me the other day since it's one of the very few cars light enough to be towed behind my 4 cylinder Tacoma. Toyota has come a long way since 2013 for sure (I have a 2013 Tacoma) and even farther in the last decade when it comes to making better, more exciting cars
TacoTom it has I just wished Toyota has thrown the inline 4 instead or even a reworked 2ZZGE with DI would kick ass on this car.
Love the 86 headlights but I would just swap that bumper with the FRS bumper
Could we get a same style vid on the 2015 wrx vs the 2017?
I'd do the 2018 and the 2015 but unfortunately I don't know anyone with a stock 2015 nearby.
I know only the MT version has the upgraded red intake manifold and revised final gear ratio, but what about the exhaust manifold? Is that exclusive to the manual as well?
as far as i know the AT remains unchanged, except for the cosmetics
Automatics don't get any of the engine improvements, just the styling and interior changes. I'm guessing the auto might get the suspension changes but I'm not even sure about that.
I find it interesting that my wife’s 2014 86 (Japanese model) has push to start and digital A/C controls. Surely those features are available in the U.S. market on the 2018 models.
2017=All the cosmetic mods you would put on the 13 FRS.
Literally
the exact opposite for me :D
My 2012 uk came with LED daytime running headlights, sat nav system, duel climate control, heated seats, keyless entry and push button start. The 2017 one in the video was lacking in most of these.
86/brz in Europe comes in higher trim levels. They are also more expensive
Matt are you able to get your hands on the 860 edition? I would love to hear your opinion on that Vs the new 86. I just bought the supernova orange 860 and it's spectacular!
Keep up the great work dude
I'm kinda digging the 2013 86 look then the 2017 model
Did they fix the engine problems with the 2017
So is it better to buy a 13 Frs since it’s basically the same thing?
can i upgrade from 2013 to 2017 front look and rear lights? it will fit?
can u swap the 2017 86 front bumper with the 2013 frs?
The overall ratio of the rear increased, plus the 5/5 hp and torque. It is noticeable if you actually have enough money to buy and own one vs 96% of the replies on here.
FRS will age little better, that GT86 bumper is little too aggressive.
Vanneker *hideous* would be a better word to describe it
Probably
angry fish
@@bradenmchenry995 beautiful even better
I think the vertical bolt that holds the forward part of the front lower control arms are wider in diameter. Can anyone confirm?
Is the 2013 FRS reliable? I've heard many stories that they aren't and what are some things to watch out for, for the 2013's?
Heard anything? Thinkin of buying that for my sis
@@consciousa6145 I ended up holding off and got a 2018 BMW m4 instead and a 98 integra gsr, and an Acura TL 04 within 3 years. I do have friends who have the car and it's reliable as long as you're on top of maintenance. But for a daily I'd recommend getting a Honda/Acura for peace of mind as it ways easier to work on and maintain and you can beat on it. I daily a Honda CRV 2021 fully loaded and I put 20k miles a year on my daily cars. Like you, I have a younger sis too, so its best to get them something more safe as all. All Hondas now come with standard safety features as well. If they want a more "expensive car" in the future, I'd say they should start off with a Honda first to gain more behind the wheel experience as well. No matter what a 2013 is still a good option but keep in mind its a 10 year old car with barely any safety features and is less modern now. When purchasing a car always keep account for maintenance records, do a test drive, and inspect the whole car. Good luck on the search for a car and stay safe!
@@markyazurin6304 Whoa bro just whoa, Those some nice of some cars..Thanks so much for this input took it all into consideration&landed her inside a SE Camry 2018 I soon would want to see her ina sports of some sort. so tempted but don’t not know how she’ll treat th
Good video! You should do more comparisons in the future!
I agree they could have kept going with it
Which one is the best of the BRZ, FRS, and the TOYOTA86?
Depends on preference, but I still love the BRZ the best.
my 86 have a sport and snow additional mode and you forgot the rear view camera
Which one best brz or frs ?? Brz its have any issues or no .
I test drove the BRZ and loved it, the problem is I currently drive a 2016 manual camaro ss and just wasn't convinced with the power the BRZ had. I think it just needs 50 more HP which I think is what this car needs. I know everyone says this car is meant for back roads and track driving. While that is true how many brz/86 owners use their cars at those places. So let's hope for at least a 50 hp upgrade.
Well it depends where you live. Most of my local roads are quite windy so a great handling car is a lot of fun. Anywhere in the middle of the country with all straight roads the 86 wouldn't shine. If you're looking for something smaller that handles similar to a BRZ with more power, consider the BMW M2. If the muscle cars didn't exist, there's a good chance I'd own one of those.
Matt Maran Motoring very true, I forgot to mention that I really just wanted to test drive the BRZ just to experience it not to trade my camaro, I love my camaro however I agree with you regarding the M2 such an amazing car. Thanks for replying.
You would have to be an idiot to purchase a brand new 2017 86 when you can just get a slightly used 2013 model for about 50% of the price that is probably already modified.
Mike it's a tough trade off if you can find a unmolested bone stock great.
Dose 2019 the side wing fit to 2014?
Super informative thanks Matt!!
I thougjt I heard that the newer cars have different gearimg on the rear axle or something.
Been here since the original BRZ vs. FR-S comparison
What about chassis improvements, are there any?
oyurcha1 some chassis stiffening on areas of the body for less body flexing, suspension wise minor tweaks into shocks and springs that's not as harsh as the 13-16 models more liveable for DD.
Yeah, Thank you Rain Santiago, I was hoping to hear exactly where those chassis stiffening points are. If I would to start thinking about using a car for the track, chassis dynamics and strength is one of the most important things to consider. Reinforcing the chassis is not fun.
:)
oyurcha1 yep but I wouldn't rule out getting a used 13-16 models the aftermarket for suspension on these cars is massive though I would choose reputable companies like Eibach, Bilstein, Cusco, Ohlins.
Werent you the kid obsessed with the BRZ a few years ago?
what about final drive?
The 2017 is supposed to have the screen in the with the gauges near the RPMs...
Justice for NA you need to get the 860 SE version while Asia, Europe, Middle East gets those standard.
still think you should make a video comparing the turbo and supercharged brz/frs. I'm sure it'd get plenty of views
Both of the ones I reviewed were from out of town, so getting them together at the same time is always tough. This one was easy to do since I had the 86 for a full week and my friend lives locally and owns the FR-S.
Nice review Matt
2015 and under is my favorite body style 🤷🏼♂️
Genesis coupe vs special edition gt86?
What about the brz?
Thanks for the vid. I'm hoping someone will release a video about if the TRD parts are worth it/comparable to the BRZ Performance Package.
Well they address different things. The BRZ Performance Package only upgrades the brakes and dampers. This 86 I drove had the TRD exhaust, lowering springs and sway bars. Personally I never thought the BRZ brakes were awful, so I think the TRD parts on the 86 made a bigger difference and were more useful on the street.
Matt Maran Motoring the beauty of the 86 is how little you really need to do to enjoy the car messing around with the suspension really kills the fun of the car unless your hardcore tracking it.
Thanks for the input, Matt! I wonder if TRD brake pads are worth it? Hmmmm
IDK what Toyota was thinking, but the new 86 styling doesn't compare to the Scion's styling at all. I'm looking for a low mileage first gen. Release series right now.
Why is this so hard to understand?! Scion didn't make the FR-S! In 2012, the Toyota 86/Toyota GT86 and Scion FR-S were released to the whole world. But why were there 3 names in 2012? Because Toyota gave the U.S. and Canada the bootleg name, Scion FR-S but gave everyone else (Japan, China, Philippines, Russa, India, France, Australia, you name it...) the Toyota 86 or Toyota GT86 name. Toyota created the car and designed it both in 2012 and the refresh in 2017. Scion had nothing to do with it's design. It was all Toyota! The design of the car was by Toyota.The Scion FR-S was a Toyota designed car, ...with a Scion badge.
you have a mustang and the 86 ?
You should do this with the mustang
Can’t wait to get my 2018 86 next year when I graduate 😈
did that ever happen?
I actually think the 2013 looks better than the 2017.
HUGE JACKEDMAN same
"actually"
HUGE JACKMAN cause the 2017 86 reminds me getting a AE88
i thought this was a doug demuro video for a second
Really dig the 86.
Red in engine bay does increase HP
4.3 FD vs 4.1 in the old one in manuals
Do you drive in Flip flops?
i like the 86 better but its just my opinion
And the name change finally happens.
Anyone that says the old model looks better than the new model owns an old model
2013 looks way better.
archinuk417 go eat some more crayons, fucknut.
The 17's front end revision looks much better in person. With a small lip underneath the bumper, it really pops.
I agree. Especially the front. Also the opposed pistons is cool. Please don’t eat crayons.
You prob like fat chicks too
Those little underbite "fangs" on the 2017 are just too much. Otherwise not much to take issue with, and really glad that the US also gets the 86 name. It's just so much more appealing than Scion.
I had a 2013 FRS, loved the look. Not a fan of the 86 look, especially the front bumper. So, I bought a 2017 BRZ instead! Looks great :)
At 1:36 can you spot the swastika on the corner of the headlights lol
No one replied but it’s the 86 logo
@@Itz_Sugi thank you
COOL All the Differences Between the 2017 86 and the 2013 FR-S!
I never really cared for the looks of the FRS but I never found the car ugly. The 86 though that's one ugly front end. A bump of 5 horses is welcome but laughable.
SpyderRios it would've been justifiable if they gave it a 2.2 displacement at least it would improve overall powerband of the car. Honestly it was the final drive of the MT that made a better difference.
Man the Americans get a raw deal with the 86, in the UK climate control, the knee padding and just the general quality is waaay better than the stock 86 and FRS.
The 5 hp and torque come from a shorter gear ratio.
Do a video about brz navigation system 2013 aswell as 2017
What the heck does 5 extra horsepower do lol?...My sons gokart has more horsepower than that.
Looks better than the boring nissan gtr
I wish they had a bigger engine
catfish vs arapaima look
amazon fish
my new 86 has different fuel gauge to this new one
Rip subaruwrxfan
Did they design these cars 15 years ago? There's nothing about them that's really modern. I mean nothing. Their engine pretty much is the same Subaru has been using for over a decade. The interior isn't as nice or updated as my '06 Legacy was and doesn't really have any tech to speak of
Jake Kennedy the car is literally a throwback to how sport compacts performed during the late 90's 2000 that gave you analog response in handling and overall interior simplicity. I grew up with those cars during that car and of many that drive or own these cars it's enough. Well the FA20 motor itself is from the XV/Impreza with DI
Nice Vid!
I think the new 86 looks fine but IMO, the best looking is the BRZ. BRZ looks more aggressive with the different small details than the FRS/86. And the BRZ is surprisingly rare where I live whereas the FRS/86 are way more common.
Samuel Wu prices for the FRS on used market is really reasonable for what your getting the BRZ's are staying in hands of more matured responsible owners. For refinements BRZ is where it at.
Greet video man
2016 FRS is the best!
One has a scion badge and the other has a Toyota badge
The FR-S front fascia looks better than the 86
people never agree with me on that
ChowDownDetroit [Seoung Lee] *old gt86, because frs basically are toyota gt86
Wut
hachi roku no, the Fr-s was made by Scion (which was owned by Toyota), and the 86 is a Toyota
They're all made by Subaru in the same factory.
You gotta start hitting the gym, man. That gut is starting to come through the shirt
The haters are gonna cry about how cheap the Winjets are lol. I'm glad for those Taiwan headlights no way I'm
paying 2K at Toyota dealership for your holy grail JDM Monogram headlights. And look Toyota decided to finally give us one instead of those cheap halogens projectors that are so 1990's because everyone was getting the Winjets.
Matt, seriously Subaru sells maybe 1,000 of these a month so who gives a crap about the differences?
Probably the 1,000 people that are buying them, along with everyone else that's considering whether it's worth buying new or getting a used one.
A year later, but 62,000 views, so apparently a few more than a 1000 haha. Nice vid, thanks. Purchased a 17' 86 last July and love it!
Geeezzzz, someone doesn't like the FRS. 😏
It’s just so tiny and cramped inside the car though
I’ll go both Scion and Toyota cause scion is from Toyota
Toyota nice brand all in the world
so much want
They are same car and same company
Frs looks better, minus the scion badge hahaha
Why i dislike all 3 man idk!. Lexus lc500 winning!