After realizing I made a mistake in my first test of the Annihilator, I have deleted that video and done a complete re-test. Check it out...it's worth it!
Thank you for the retest. The way a man handles himself in a mistake says more to me about his character than how he handles things when all goes well.
Way to step up and admit that you weren't totally objective the first time, credibility raised. Very impressive on how it held up to the steel...lots of heads fall short in that area. Well done.
At the ATA show annihilator had a car trunk that they shot through 30 times with the same broadhead and the broadhead was still unscathed. Insanely impressed with the durability.
I think I'd be ok giving up the idea of a pass through every hit for the amount of impact and material displacement this head offers! The blood trail is bound to be plenty even if it didn't pass through, but i have a feeling that against an animal this head may still surprise us all with its true abilities.
It takes guts to admit your mistake and not just sit back in the shadows and nurse a bruised ego. Major props to you for that, it's great to see a youtuber with that level of integrity. The Annihilators look great, have an innovative design, and are back on my list of broadheads to try this year. These and the Tooth of The Arrow broadheads have really grabbed my attention this year, the Annihilators for the design, and the ToTA for their unyeilding faith in their product.
I've been watching your videos for a while now but I just subbed to your channel based on your apology and admission of being human. I appreciate what it took to admit that and do the right thing. This tells me that I can trust you to give me the best advise you can. Thank you and keep the videos coming and we'll keep on watching!
Great job! Awesome that you revisited the head after getting some more information on it. That thing held up great after the steel shooting! Thanks for the review.
It’s really nice to see some genuine honesty there’s a lot of people that wouldn’t have admitted their mistake or retested thanks John keep up the videos!!
Your a great guy to take the time to redo your test, i was happy to hear it passed ! i was confused 10 inches was a lot :) i’ll be using these for a few animals , keep up the good testing !
Thanks for making this! I was also curious why you'd gotten the drop at longer ranges as that wasn't my experience. Mistakes happen....no worries! Thanks for putting this together!
I actually subbed after I saw your first video and I commend you for your honesty with this correction. Great channel mate, really like your easy going presentation that’s straight forward and logical. Cheers.
Great job being humble enough to admit up to something like that! Because of your first video I ended up going with the QAD Exodus. I was planning on shooting longer yardages with my new MBG slider sight and the lack of distance turned me off as you said. I hope you have a great season with these and depending on your results I might give them a try next year! Great in depth videos. Love it!
Jase Seekell Thank you. Can’t go wrong with the Exodus. I’ve taken over 50 animals with that head. It continues to impress me after all these years. I appreciate you watching and commenting.
Absolutely love your videos. They have given me knowledge and details to choose the items I currently use. Would absolutely love to see you test any broadheads from valkyrie archery. Really curious about them.
Great job on the review, and on apologizing and admitting to having made a mistake in the initial review. It is refreshing to see this kind on honesty on a TH-cam channel, you earned a subscription today.
Thank you Jason. One of my Pastor friends always tells me, "the humble way is the right way." I keep having to struggle to put that into practice in my marriage and ministry though :)
@@LuskArcheryAdventures we all fall short brother....the important thing is you try! After watching a ton of your videos I had to order Me some annihilator 125s.......thank u for all the amazing content!
The facts that you’re honest enough to completely own up to your mistakes and publicly apologize has honestly raised your credibility in my eyes and earned my subscription thank you
It takes a strong person to admit when they are wrong, especially in a very public forum like this. Much respect for the humility, integrity and honesty. I love these heads and love your reviews, keep up the good work.
@Boxing 101 That's unfortunate, I find that out to 100 metres they regularly shoot very well with 3" groups, are as quiet as any other head I've used (mind you it's not an exhaustive list), and need minimal tuning. Different setups, different results I suppose.
Your previous video made me hesitant, now that you've come forward and admitted your mistake I'll have to buy these. Thanks for making another video. Next thing you need to look at is the EZ V bowsight. I love mine.
I did watch the other one .It convinced me that’s the one to use. In fact when straight away to their site and screen shot so I’ll get some the next time I need board heads. No worries
New subscriber here, so I missed the first video, but oh well. I'm enjoying all your broadhead reviews, as well as the other things, even though I'm a stick bow guy. I'm getting back into archery after taking several years off, not by choice, but stuff happens. Keep up the good work man!
I'm not one that takes many shots at 50 yards or more so I was still going to use them this year for hunting but I'm glad you did a retest this is my new broadhead for hunting regardless for a fixed blade
I am so glad i subscribed to this channel I new with in 60 seconds that you were a man of integrity. Thanks for retest. Even though i was not turned off one bit by your findings on the first test. The annihilator is in the top three for my broadhead choice for 2020 hunting season as i am going to fix blade heads from now on. Keep it simple stupid!!!!!!!
There are two ways--either just laying them flat on a stone and sharpening two edges at once or using the Stay Sharp Guide 344. If you use the flat method, they will get pretty darn sharp--especially with a good diamond plate like the one made by Stay Sharp Guide. But the 344 will actually change the bevel angle to 44 degrees, rather than 60 and make them quite a bit sharper. I demonstrate that in another vid I have of the Annihilator. Just search Lusk Annihilator and it will come up.
John, Always look forward to your reviews, straightforward and honest . I just took a nice buck with an annihilator 125, only ran 30 yards and tipped over. Just wondering if you were going to test the new annihilator XL or if you had an opinion ?
This was another terrific test -- really helping me think through my set up. Great channel and very helpful. I would love to see you review the Bone Broadheads and the Strickland Helix -- any chance? Thanks again!
Thanks for the re test. What do you think was the issue with the first test? Also, I'd like to see a slow motion test to see if it acts like a hollow point bullet and see the displacement it makes
I had been testing different weight heads, different draw weights, and different vane/FOB configurations. I had been adding an extra 8 yards to my sight tape to have them dialed in, but forgot to do that when I tested the Annihilators the first time. It was the first long range shooting I'd done since September and hadn't remembered to do that. I shot my field points at 70 and they were really low; that's when I realized what I had done. I adjusted for my field points to be dead on and then the Annihilators were dead on as well. It doesn't act like a hollow point, cause they don't expand. But they just displace a large amount of tissue with that scoop design as opposed to a blade design. The flight is not affected due to the way the scoops are structured. The Ramcats use that same scoop, on a smaller scale, and it's why their heads fly so well.
Thanks for the information. What I was trying to understand, when you reset the site tape, did you find that it dropped faster at long range than other heads, and that's why you reset the tape? Thanks in advance.
Not exactly. First, I did the re-test cause several of my friends contacted me and told me that their tests had not showed any kind of drop. Then I stopped by the Annihilator booth at the ATA and they encouraged me to re-test it as well, cause their tests showed no drop. They were not belligerent at all; actually quite respectful. So I went out to the do the re-test. When I shot it at 70 yds, it dropped just like before. So then I shot a field point, and it dropped exactly like the Annihilator. That's when I realized my mistake. I had made changes to my set up back in late summer and knew to add 7-8 yds to my tapes, rather than just change my tapes. But a few months had passed since I shot at longer distance by the time I did the first test of the Annihilator, and I'd forgotten to make that adjustment. So everything was hitting low at 70 yds--field points and other broadheads. People think I shot the Exodus at 70 yds in my first test and it didn't drop; but I did not. I only shot the Exodus at the water jug and the layers of MDF. I still have that video, but deleted from TH-cam cause of my mistakes. When I tested it the second time, and got my field points dialed in, then the Annihilator, and every other decent head for that matter, is hitting the same at 70 yds.
Mahalo John for the re-test. The last video had me shying away from it because of the distance issue. Which do you shoot 100 or 125 grain and what is your overall arrow grain? 🤙
I bought two packs of these and was curious if they need to be sharpened out of the package or if they are field ready? I tried to reach out to them directly but haven't heard back. Thanks
Im waiting for mine in the mail the reading ive done says no but do i need to tune the head with the fletchings because i just bought a dozen victory elite arrows not cheap and the inserts are already glued in
@@LuskArcheryAdventures i did not know that thank you for answering im brand new to compound bow world was always a gun hunter xbow was easy crossover but now i have bowtech carbon icon 2 years old brand new out the box for 500$ so starting there
Can you explain what changes you had to make to make it fly for longer ranges please? I'm not sure why you would have to make changes.. I think it's an amazing head and it flew perfect for me out to 60 yards. After 60 the drop was extreme. Thanks!
That's interesting. I didn't do anything other than sight in my field points. What had happened for me was I had made some changes to my set up late last summer. With those changes, I had to add 7-8 yards to my sight tape at longer ranges. But I forgot to do that when I tested the Ann for the first time, cause it was a few months later. I went to shoot them the other day and they were hitting low at 70 yds, just like before. But then I shot my field points and they were hitting low as well. That's when I realized what I had done. So I re-sighted in my field points at 70 yds and then my Ann heads hit right with them.
They're both solid heads. But with a crossbow, I'd use the larger cutting head cause you can drive it so deep. I'd use the Exodus. But that doesn't mean the Ann would be a bad choice either.
Curious how well these would perform out of a trad bow. Would they still penetrate well at slower velocities? I guess as a recurve shooter, this concerns me about any head.
Seems like the same concept as underwoods extreme defender and extreme hunter ammo. The flutes in the ammo design create just as much if not more damage than a hollow point. Check out the videos of the extreme defender ammo ballistics test and see if u agree
Same concept but the bullet is obviously traveling and spinning much faster which allows the push and disruption of tissue(hydrostatic shock) causing a permanent wound channel. This broadhead may do that to some degree but I would like to see better gel and animal evidence before being convinced.
Great video. I am curious about your use of the FOB's. I used to shoot FOB's and I noticed a significant drop at longer ranges compared to shooting 4 fletch Vanetec Super Spines 2.3". Have you done a comparison on the FOB's?
If you’re worried about size of cut or penetration… I watched my buddy in 2022 put one of these through a 450lb black bear in Saskatchewan. That bear had no idea what hit him.
Have you compared them to the Montec G5? I'm a fan of the G5 and have had pass through on every deer I've hunted. I don't really trust these arrowheads.
There are a few really good two blade heads. For a single bevel it would be the Bishop Scientific Method or Cutthroat Archery. For a double it would be an Iron Will or VPA or one of the many Australian broadhead companies, like Northern, Ozcut and Extract. I've got an Australian two blade test coming up.
What adjustments are you talking about? I have a single pin and mine drops out past 50 like you say. I’ve tuned the broadhead and out to 40 flys perfectly. Then after that it drops hard. Do I need a new sight tape? Do I need to do something to the bow? I need directions on the corrections you made.
I understand that for some set ups, the heads drop at longer ranges. But that was not the issue for me. I thought it was, but I was using sight tapes set up for a different weight arrow altogether. That's why it dropped more in the first test. Once I realized that, I adjusted my sight tapes for this arrow weight and field points, then the Annihilator flew perfectly, even at longer ranges. If it doesn't do that for you, and you still want to use it, then just change your sight tape accordingly.
Lusk Archery Adventures I’m shooting 31.5 VXR 70lbs at 29.5 in draw. Shooting the same weight as my field points. maybe they just don’t like the micro diameter arrows?
Lusk Archery Adventures Turns out my issue was a spine issue. The FOC of the 300 spine Kinetic Pierce was not compatible for my bow. They just dove like crazy. Switched to Hunter XT 300s and problem solved.
I have a friend who is an expert ballistics resource with bullets. He has used wet phone books set horizontally for measuring penetration. He found that media represents deer tissue very well and easy to measure penetration repeatedly. Might work with broadheads.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures He soaked them in a tub of water, then built a wooden rack to hold them. He would measure the penetration in inches, then change the books in the rack. Old phone books are pretty easy to get.
Naw. I know it sounds confusing. I was confused as well, which is why I made the mistake. I had set up my sights earlier in the season based on a certain arrow/head configuration. Later on I changed my set up, but had not changed my sights accordingly. So when I shot the head in the first test, it was hitting way low at longer ranges. I didn't shoot any field points or other heads at that time--only the Ann. I didn't discover my error until I went out to re test the head. I was using a field point and the field point hit very low at 70 yds as well. That's when I remembered what I had done. I changed my sights for my field points to hit at 70 yds, then shot the Ann, and it hit right with my field points.
That's a really good question. I've not tested them on animals yet, though I've wanted to do that. I'm hoping to have a turkey hunt this summer and do that. My only concern with them is the size of the hole. I've had smaller diameter heads like this one open a hole that gets closed up by fat and other tissue. So personally, I prefer a wide cut, like the Exodus or Black Hornet or Grizz Trick...or a mech like the Sevr 1.5.
I love my annihilators ....the only issue I have is getting mine as sharp as I like to....I may need to get the 344 broadhead guide...to change the angle of the bevel a little....not sure
Yeah, a 60 degree bevel can only get "so sharp." Honestly, it's sharp enough to hunt with, but if you're really wanting it super sharp, you have to change that bevel to 44 degrees and that is what the Stay Sharp 344 does. The bevel is still plenty strong, but it will be much sharper.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures that's exactly what I needed to hear ......thank u.....for some reason it says the website can't be found....he may be hunting or something and shut it down til he gets back......not sure....but thank u again !
I’m sorry if you had to adjust your sight type to get the arrow where you want it then yes the head causes velocity drop. If you used two same grain broadheads with both having the same arrow setup but one arrow falls short then there is a problem.
No, it was dropping with my field points as well. I had made a number of adjustments last summer and was adding 8 yards to all of my tapes in order to get them to hit dead on. But it had been so long since I shot longer ranges, I forgot to do that when I tested the Ann. So when I shot my field points the other day at 70 and saw they were hitting low, I remembered my error. I sighted in my field points and then shot the Ann and they were both dead on.
Lusk Archery Adventures so in the first video the exodus and the Ann was hitting the same place low as I recall the Ann was hitting low in that video which doesn’t make it a bad broadhead it just makes you have to adjust somethings to get it to fly the way you want it those large scopes will make more resistance but doesn’t make it inferior
matthew perry No, I didn’t even shoot the Exodus at long range in that video. I only shot the Ann at 50 and 70. I shot the Exodus at the water jug and the MDF only.
John L well I suppose you aught to make a video to test it shoot it against another broadhead with less possible drag the exodus I bet would fly with less drop. My apologies for not realizing you not shooting both heads in the first vid.
matthew perry Well, that’s really moot. It shot right with my field points at 70 yds. I shot a field point then I shot the Ann. It didn’t drop any more than my field points; why would another broadhead drop less than that? Doesn’t make sense.
I thought that it was a great broadhead based on one piece fixed blade. 50 yards, I never shoot anything but a bag at distances farther than that. If it works at 30 and below and doesn't need to be replaced, it's a winner.
I don’t understand from a physical standpoint how it “cups out” it’s got a tremendous amount of wind resistance. With that being said, a friend of mine did use it with several late season Whitetail does and had fantastic results at close distances
Yeah, I do as well. I've heard mixed reviews about blood trails. Small is still small. I'm sure they do better than a "normal" head with a .91" cutting diameter, but do they do better than a head with a 1.25" cutting diameter? It's doubtful. They are making a larger cut model, and that would be really interesting to test.
Lusk Archery Adventures very true it’s a larger cut but you pay for it in weight, 150 gr for a 1 1/8” broadhead is a lot imo. The head I’m very seriously looking at is the Hades regular tip model, very very good looking head
I've not tested these on animals yet, so it's hard to say. But I'd probably try the Ann rather than the VPA--they sure fly better due to the short profile.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thanks, that's really what I wanted to know. I'm looking for a head that I can re sharpen and is as accurate as possible. I figure an head will do the job if you put it in the right spot. Thanks again!
I have not. I've been curious as well, as I've heard mixed reports. I like the XL a bit better cause they make a larger hole--check out my vid test of them as well. Maybe I will take a doe with one this Fall as a test run.
I never tested it at long range.. I just assumed it was good up to 50 yards and that was good enough for me. But this just shows that we are all human.. I shoot it beside my bishop scientific method broadheads and was just as good but a fraction of the cost. I love my bishops but the annihilator Is the broadhead I'm keeping in my quiver
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and everyone has their own reasons and methods of hunting...and that's exactly how it should be. That being said, MY opinion on bowhunting might be a little different than other hunter's. When I started bowhunting 40 yrs ago, it was to get away from gun hunting. I wanted the greater challenge of getting the deer close enough to shoot with an arrow. I'm much more proud of the several deer I've shot at 2 or 3 yards than the buck I shot at 42 yards. People seem to be making an issue of long range accuracy (or lack of), and sure, for elk hunting or mountain goats or sheep or whatever, that's important, but for the average deer hunter I think it's not something to get so worked up over. If you want to shoot a deer at 80 yards, use a gun. JUST MY OPINION.
Terrific vid Seems like a great broadhead. Wish they’d made them heavier-say 200, 250 and 300 grain. Also the cutting diameter is just a few millimetres too small, so it’s not legal to hunt with it where l’m at.
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Thank you for the retest.
The way a man handles himself in a mistake says more to me about his character than how he handles things when all goes well.
Thank you Todd. Much appreciated brother.
Way to step up and admit that you weren't totally objective the first time, credibility raised. Very impressive on how it held up to the steel...lots of heads fall short in that area. Well done.
Thank you Conan. Much appreciated.
At the ATA show annihilator had a car trunk that they shot through 30 times with the same broadhead and the broadhead was still unscathed. Insanely impressed with the durability.
I think I'd be ok giving up the idea of a pass through every hit for the amount of impact and material displacement this head offers! The blood trail is bound to be plenty even if it didn't pass through, but i have a feeling that against an animal this head may still surprise us all with its true abilities.
Your transparency is commendable. Admitting your shortcomings is greatly appreciated. Says a lot about you.
Thanks again.
Thank you Roger.
It takes guts to admit your mistake and not just sit back in the shadows and nurse a bruised ego. Major props to you for that, it's great to see a youtuber with that level of integrity. The Annihilators look great, have an innovative design, and are back on my list of broadheads to try this year. These and the Tooth of The Arrow broadheads have really grabbed my attention this year, the Annihilators for the design, and the ToTA for their unyeilding faith in their product.
Yep both are great heads. Thanks for the comment.
I've been watching your videos for a while now but I just subbed to your channel based on your apology and admission of being human. I appreciate what it took to admit that and do the right thing. This tells me that I can trust you to give me the best advise you can. Thank you and keep the videos coming and we'll keep on watching!
Thanks Josh. Much appreciated brother. The "Pastor" in me just won't let me be anything but truthful.
Awesome review John. I wanted them after watching the first test, now it’s a no brainer.
Thanks Tom. Much appreciated.
Great job! Awesome that you revisited the head after getting some more information on it. That thing held up great after the steel shooting! Thanks for the review.
Thank you!
It’s really nice to see some genuine honesty there’s a lot of people that wouldn’t have admitted their mistake or retested thanks John keep up the videos!!
Thank you sir.
Kudos John for the re-test video of the Annihilator broadhead. Love it when testers provide accuracy and credibility to their videos.
Sam Townley Thank you Sam. Much appreciated brother
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Your a great guy to take the time to redo your test, i was happy to hear it passed ! i was confused 10 inches was a lot :) i’ll be using these for a few animals , keep up the good testing !
Thanks Mike. Much appreciated. And thank you for sharing your results with me. You were one of the people I was referencing.
Kudos. I definately think these deserved a re-test! Appreciate the effort and cost for this! Subscribed!
Cameron Alexander Thank you Cameron.
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Thanks for your time and energy. Much appreciated, changed my mind.
Justin Ormiston Thanks Justin. Much appreciated.
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Thanks for making this! I was also curious why you'd gotten the drop at longer ranges as that wasn't my experience. Mistakes happen....no worries! Thanks for putting this together!
Thank you for sharing that.
Kudos to you for the transparency and integrity!
Thank you Evan!
I actually subbed after I saw your first video and I commend you for your honesty with this correction. Great channel mate, really like your easy going presentation that’s straight forward and logical. Cheers.
Thank you. That's very kind of you to say. I appreciate your support, brother.
Great job being humble enough to admit up to something like that! Because of your first video I ended up going with the QAD Exodus. I was planning on shooting longer yardages with my new MBG slider sight and the lack of distance turned me off as you said. I hope you have a great season with these and depending on your results I might give them a try next year! Great in depth videos. Love it!
Jase Seekell Thank you. Can’t go wrong with the Exodus. I’ve taken over 50 animals with that head. It continues to impress me after all these years. I appreciate you watching and commenting.
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I had purchased the heads prior to your first video. I liked how they flew and I'm happy with them.
Great to hear that.
Absolutely love your videos. They have given me knowledge and details to choose the items I currently use. Would absolutely love to see you test any broadheads from valkyrie archery. Really curious about them.
Thanks Nick. I was given a head by a friend, to test out. I need to get it done.
Great job on the review, and on apologizing and admitting to having made a mistake in the initial review. It is refreshing to see this kind on honesty on a TH-cam channel, you earned a subscription today.
Thank you, Jeff. Much appreciated my friend.
You just showed excellent honesty and credibility! Respect!
Thank you!
Outstanding individual you are sir.....thank u for being humble !
Thank you Jason. One of my Pastor friends always tells me, "the humble way is the right way." I keep having to struggle to put that into practice in my marriage and ministry though :)
@@LuskArcheryAdventures we all fall short brother....the important thing is you try!
After watching a ton of your videos I had to order Me some annihilator 125s.......thank u for all the amazing content!
Good job! Man up to your mistakes, make it right, and move on. You earned a sub from us!
Thank you Jennifer. Much appreciated.
I’d be interested to see what it does on animals too! Thanks for making these videos I love them!
Thanks Melvin. I'm trying to get that last doe of the year with one.
The facts that you’re honest enough to completely own up to your mistakes and publicly apologize has honestly raised your credibility in my eyes and earned my subscription thank you
Thank you Andrew. Much appreciated.
Lush archery is a man of the cloth !
It takes a strong person to admit when they are wrong, especially in a very public forum like this. Much respect for the humility, integrity and honesty. I love these heads and love your reviews, keep up the good work.
@Boxing 101 That's unfortunate, I find that out to 100 metres they regularly shoot very well with 3" groups, are as quiet as any other head I've used (mind you it's not an exhaustive list), and need minimal tuning. Different setups, different results I suppose.
I appreciate the encouragement. Yeah, they did shoot very accurately for me at 70 yds. I didn't test them beyond that yet, largely due to the weather.
I’d love say these videos have made my choices over broad heads easier. But really it’s made them harder! Thank you for all the testing.
Haha. That's a great comment. Thanks for watching! I've got a new Annihilator Broadhead Battle coming soon: Original vs XL.
You've earned credibility for eating that humble pie in my book. Everyone makes mistakes, admitting them is what makes you a good person.
Thanks brother. Much appreciated. One of my friends used to always say, "the humble way is the right way." Good principle to live by.
Keep up these great videos!
Thank you Richard. Much appreciated.
Your previous video made me hesitant, now that you've come forward and admitted your mistake I'll have to buy these. Thanks for making another video.
Next thing you need to look at is the EZ V bowsight. I love mine.
Thank you. I really appreciate it.
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Good stuff John, we all make mistakes, much respect. I'm glad this is true because now I don't have to switch heads as I reach out further!
Yeah, they should do well. I have heard a few guys say theirs drop, but mine do not.
Outstanding job in doing the right thing for consumers and the company!!
Thank you
Strong integrity to admit a misstake. You got my respect and I decided to Subscribe!
Thank you Jedin. I really appreciate it, brother.
I did watch the other one .It convinced me that’s the one to use. In fact when straight away to their site and screen shot so I’ll get some the next time I need board heads. No worries
Great to hear that. Thanks Phil.
I subbed just because you owned up to your mistake. And your info was great too!!
Andrew Earles Thank you Andre. Much appreciated.
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Thanks for your honesty
Thank you!
Nice job John, well done.
Thank you sir. Much appreciated.
Thanks for the video will be trying these out this fall
Yeah, they're worth a look for sure.
John, thats your best intro music to date. Keep using it
Well that's encouraging to hear. Thank you.
New subscriber here, so I missed the first video, but oh well. I'm enjoying all your broadhead reviews, as well as the other things, even though I'm a stick bow guy. I'm getting back into archery after taking several years off, not by choice, but stuff happens. Keep up the good work man!
Thanks Philip. Much appreciated, brother. Welcome back to the game!
Excellent job
Thank you!
Respect. great review , thank you
Thank you Tyler.
I'm not one that takes many shots at 50 yards or more so I was still going to use them this year for hunting but I'm glad you did a retest this is my new broadhead for hunting regardless for a fixed blade
Very good. Thank you!
Well done. It is easy to make a mistake, it is much harder to own it. Very commendable, if more people would do that it sure would be nice.
Thank you!
I am so glad i subscribed to this channel I new with in 60 seconds that you were a man of integrity. Thanks for retest. Even though i was not turned off one bit by your findings on the first test. The annihilator is in the top three for my broadhead choice for 2020 hunting season as i am going to fix blade heads from now on. Keep it simple stupid!!!!!!!
Boxing 101 slick tricks sounding better all the time
Boxing 101 thanks for the heads up. Always appreciate someone else’s experience.
Well, they don't drop for me :)
Good on you for correcting an error.
Thank you! Much appreciated.
You the man buddy keep up the great work.
Thank you Billy! Much appreciated brother.
Bought a set of 100gr the other day looking forward to shooting them. We all are human. Love your info, keep it up
Thanks Cali. Much appreciated brother.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures .👊
Your credibility is why I watch your videos
Thank you, brother.
John: Mistakes happen. that simply proves you are human. Admitting you made a mistake adds to your credibility. Very nice!
Thanks Jim. Much appreciated.
Props for doing the right thing. Some sweep that stuff under the carpet.
Yeah, that's not my style. Thank you for the encouragement.
great testing
Thanks Larry
A good example of “Swearing to your own hurt”. Good example, John.
Thank you Joseph; much appreciated brother.
John,
How do you recommend sharpening these broad heads for the best results?
There are two ways--either just laying them flat on a stone and sharpening two edges at once or using the Stay Sharp Guide 344. If you use the flat method, they will get pretty darn sharp--especially with a good diamond plate like the one made by Stay Sharp Guide. But the 344 will actually change the bevel angle to 44 degrees, rather than 60 and make them quite a bit sharper. I demonstrate that in another vid I have of the Annihilator. Just search Lusk Annihilator and it will come up.
John,
Always look forward to your reviews, straightforward and honest . I just took a nice buck with an annihilator 125, only ran 30 yards and tipped over. Just wondering if you were going to test the new annihilator XL or if you had an opinion ?
Thanks Joe. That's great to hear. I'd love to test it. I need to get some to test.
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Thank you Michael.
Honesty #1
Thank you
Amen. Thank you
Great video. Thanks 😊
Thank you Tom.
This was another terrific test -- really helping me think through my set up. Great channel and very helpful. I would love to see you review the Bone Broadheads and the Strickland Helix -- any chance? Thanks again!
I've reached out to both of them. Strickland hasn't responded and Bone is out of inventory for a while.
Appreciate a good apology. Also appreciate not being sued, lol. Great video.
Haha. Thank you
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You really owned it man! That's really cool you're humble enough to admit something.
"Serious Retesting/ Successful Hunting"?
Haha. That's funny. Thank you for the encouragement.
Thanks for the re test. What do you think was the issue with the first test? Also, I'd like to see a slow motion test to see if it acts like a hollow point bullet and see the displacement it makes
I had been testing different weight heads, different draw weights, and different vane/FOB configurations. I had been adding an extra 8 yards to my sight tape to have them dialed in, but forgot to do that when I tested the Annihilators the first time. It was the first long range shooting I'd done since September and hadn't remembered to do that. I shot my field points at 70 and they were really low; that's when I realized what I had done. I adjusted for my field points to be dead on and then the Annihilators were dead on as well. It doesn't act like a hollow point, cause they don't expand. But they just displace a large amount of tissue with that scoop design as opposed to a blade design. The flight is not affected due to the way the scoops are structured. The Ramcats use that same scoop, on a smaller scale, and it's why their heads fly so well.
The structural integrity looks amazing but I’m not sold that the back scoop wedge dose anything more then a regular fixed blade
Yeah, I've not tested them on animals yet.
Good on you sir! I can't decide between these and day six evo
Thank you David. Check out the Iron Wills as well. That Wide is something special.
Thanks for the information. What I was trying to understand, when you reset the site tape, did you find that it dropped faster at long range than other heads, and that's why you reset the tape? Thanks in advance.
Not exactly. First, I did the re-test cause several of my friends contacted me and told me that their tests had not showed any kind of drop. Then I stopped by the Annihilator booth at the ATA and they encouraged me to re-test it as well, cause their tests showed no drop. They were not belligerent at all; actually quite respectful. So I went out to the do the re-test. When I shot it at 70 yds, it dropped just like before. So then I shot a field point, and it dropped exactly like the Annihilator. That's when I realized my mistake. I had made changes to my set up back in late summer and knew to add 7-8 yds to my tapes, rather than just change my tapes. But a few months had passed since I shot at longer distance by the time I did the first test of the Annihilator, and I'd forgotten to make that adjustment. So everything was hitting low at 70 yds--field points and other broadheads. People think I shot the Exodus at 70 yds in my first test and it didn't drop; but I did not. I only shot the Exodus at the water jug and the layers of MDF. I still have that video, but deleted from TH-cam cause of my mistakes. When I tested it the second time, and got my field points dialed in, then the Annihilator, and every other decent head for that matter, is hitting the same at 70 yds.
Everyone makes mistakes! You’re so busy testing and everything else you have going on. I think we all understand lol
Thanks Austin. Much appreciated.
Mahalo John for the re-test. The last video had me shying away from it because of the distance issue. Which do you shoot 100 or 125 grain and what is your overall arrow grain? 🤙
Thank you Doug. I am shooting the 125gr. My total arrow weight is 460 gr.
Can you get a hold of the 125 grian XL version? Curious to know if they still shoot like filed points or drop more and get blown in the wind more.
They're not done with the design of that yet...they're still making some tweaks.
I bought two packs of these and was curious if they need to be sharpened out of the package or if they are field ready? I tried to reach out to them directly but haven't heard back. Thanks
They come very sharp
Love your videos!! Do a test of the Valkyrie heads
Yes, I have one ready to test soon.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures That's awesome!! I can't wait! I was thinking of switching to those
Im waiting for mine in the mail the reading ive done says no but do i need to tune the head with the fletchings because i just bought a dozen victory elite arrows not cheap and the inserts are already glued in
You never need to align any broadhead with the vanes; that is an old myth that has been disproven many times. It makes zero difference.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures i did not know that thank you for answering im brand new to compound bow world was always a gun hunter xbow was easy crossover but now i have bowtech carbon icon 2 years old brand new out the box for 500$ so starting there
Can you explain what changes you had to make to make it fly for longer ranges please? I'm not sure why you would have to make changes.. I think it's an amazing head and it flew perfect for me out to 60 yards. After 60 the drop was extreme. Thanks!
That's interesting. I didn't do anything other than sight in my field points. What had happened for me was I had made some changes to my set up late last summer. With those changes, I had to add 7-8 yards to my sight tape at longer ranges. But I forgot to do that when I tested the Ann for the first time, cause it was a few months later. I went to shoot them the other day and they were hitting low at 70 yds, just like before. But then I shot my field points and they were hitting low as well. That's when I realized what I had done. So I re-sighted in my field points at 70 yds and then my Ann heads hit right with them.
IM WONDERING HOW A BOLT, with a heavy 150gr annihilator from my air rifle too a hundred yard distance would fair? ANYBODY PLEASE REPLY.
Hard to say without having personally tested it. But they do penetrate well.
Would you choose this head or the quad exodus for a crossbow? Great Videos
They're both solid heads. But with a crossbow, I'd use the larger cutting head cause you can drive it so deep. I'd use the Exodus. But that doesn't mean the Ann would be a bad choice either.
Awesome video. First class review and telling the story of earlier testing. Telling the truth always wins.
Idaho 2nd Gens Thank you sir. Much appreciated
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Curious how well these would perform out of a trad bow. Would they still penetrate well at slower velocities? I guess as a recurve shooter, this concerns me about any head.
That's a good question Steve. I've not tested it on animals yet, so I really couldn't tell you.
Seems like the same concept as underwoods extreme defender and extreme hunter ammo. The flutes in the ammo design create just as much if not more damage than a hollow point. Check out the videos of the extreme defender ammo ballistics test and see if u agree
That's cool. I'm not familiar with that. But it sounds like the same principle.
Same concept but the bullet is obviously traveling and spinning much faster which allows the push and disruption of tissue(hydrostatic shock) causing a permanent wound channel. This broadhead may do that to some degree but I would like to see better gel and animal evidence before being convinced.
0.04 seconds! #otherworldly indeed my friend.
Right? That was crazy cool.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I couldn't believe how fast it went.
Great video. I am curious about your use of the FOB's. I used to shoot FOB's and I noticed a significant drop at longer ranges compared to shooting 4 fletch Vanetec Super Spines 2.3". Have you done a comparison on the FOB's?
disregard, i just found your video on the FOB
Thank you. Yeah, they drop a bit more than straight fletching, but similar to helical...only slightly more than helical at very long ranges.
If you’re worried about size of cut or penetration… I watched my buddy in 2022 put one of these through a 450lb black bear in Saskatchewan. That bear had no idea what hit him.
Thanks for sharing that.
Have you compared them to the Montec G5? I'm a fan of the G5 and have had pass through on every deer I've hunted. I don't really trust these arrowheads.
Not in a head to head battle.
If you had to choose a 2 blade fixed head what would you go with I've been looking at iron will broadheads
There are a few really good two blade heads. For a single bevel it would be the Bishop Scientific Method or Cutthroat Archery. For a double it would be an Iron Will or VPA or one of the many Australian broadhead companies, like Northern, Ozcut and Extract. I've got an Australian two blade test coming up.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures what sight do you use
What adjustments are you talking about? I have a single pin and mine drops out past 50 like you say. I’ve tuned the broadhead and out to 40 flys perfectly. Then after that it drops hard. Do I need a new sight tape? Do I need to do something to the bow? I need directions on the corrections you made.
Thanks in advance!
I understand that for some set ups, the heads drop at longer ranges. But that was not the issue for me. I thought it was, but I was using sight tapes set up for a different weight arrow altogether. That's why it dropped more in the first test. Once I realized that, I adjusted my sight tapes for this arrow weight and field points, then the Annihilator flew perfectly, even at longer ranges. If it doesn't do that for you, and you still want to use it, then just change your sight tape accordingly.
Lusk Archery Adventures I’m shooting 31.5 VXR 70lbs at 29.5 in draw. Shooting the same weight as my field points. maybe they just don’t like the micro diameter arrows?
Lusk Archery Adventures Turns out my issue was a spine issue. The FOC of the 300 spine Kinetic Pierce was not compatible for my bow. They just dove like crazy. Switched to Hunter XT 300s and problem solved.
I have a friend who is an expert ballistics resource with bullets. He has used wet phone books set horizontally for measuring penetration. He found that media represents deer tissue very well and easy to measure penetration repeatedly. Might work with broadheads.
That's a good suggestion. I may give that a try. Thank you.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures He soaked them in a tub of water, then built a wooden rack to hold them. He would measure the penetration in inches, then change the books in the rack. Old phone books are pretty easy to get.
What do you mean by changed your yardage tape. Did It still drop a lot and you needed to change your tape for that broadhead ???
Naw. I know it sounds confusing. I was confused as well, which is why I made the mistake. I had set up my sights earlier in the season based on a certain arrow/head configuration. Later on I changed my set up, but had not changed my sights accordingly. So when I shot the head in the first test, it was hitting way low at longer ranges. I didn't shoot any field points or other heads at that time--only the Ann. I didn't discover my error until I went out to re test the head. I was using a field point and the field point hit very low at 70 yds as well. That's when I remembered what I had done. I changed my sights for my field points to hit at 70 yds, then shot the Ann, and it hit right with my field points.
Are these as good as qad exudus or black hornets?
That's a really good question. I've not tested them on animals yet, though I've wanted to do that. I'm hoping to have a turkey hunt this summer and do that. My only concern with them is the size of the hole. I've had smaller diameter heads like this one open a hole that gets closed up by fat and other tissue. So personally, I prefer a wide cut, like the Exodus or Black Hornet or Grizz Trick...or a mech like the Sevr 1.5.
I love my annihilators ....the only issue I have is getting mine as sharp as I like to....I may need to get the 344 broadhead guide...to change the angle of the bevel a little....not sure
Yeah, a 60 degree bevel can only get "so sharp." Honestly, it's sharp enough to hunt with, but if you're really wanting it super sharp, you have to change that bevel to 44 degrees and that is what the Stay Sharp 344 does. The bevel is still plenty strong, but it will be much sharper.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures that's exactly what I needed to hear ......thank u.....for some reason it says the website can't be found....he may be hunting or something and shut it down til he gets back......not sure....but thank u again !
What us the out of the box sharpness like on this head?
Mine were very good....but I didn't do this test on them back then.
I’m sorry if you had to adjust your sight type to get the arrow where you want it then yes the head causes velocity drop. If you used two same grain broadheads with both having the same arrow setup but one arrow falls short then there is a problem.
No, it was dropping with my field points as well. I had made a number of adjustments last summer and was adding 8 yards to all of my tapes in order to get them to hit dead on. But it had been so long since I shot longer ranges, I forgot to do that when I tested the Ann. So when I shot my field points the other day at 70 and saw they were hitting low, I remembered my error. I sighted in my field points and then shot the Ann and they were both dead on.
Lusk Archery Adventures so in the first video the exodus and the Ann was hitting the same place low as I recall the Ann was hitting low in that video which doesn’t make it a bad broadhead it just makes you have to adjust somethings to get it to fly the way you want it those large scopes will make more resistance but doesn’t make it inferior
matthew perry No, I didn’t even shoot the Exodus at long range in that video. I only shot the Ann at 50 and 70. I shot the Exodus at the water jug and the MDF only.
John L well I suppose you aught to make a video to test it shoot it against another broadhead with less possible drag the exodus I bet would fly with less drop. My apologies for not realizing you not shooting both heads in the first vid.
matthew perry Well, that’s really moot. It shot right with my field points at 70 yds. I shot a field point then I shot the Ann. It didn’t drop any more than my field points; why would another broadhead drop less than that? Doesn’t make sense.
I thought that it was a great broadhead based on one piece fixed blade. 50 yards, I never shoot anything but a bag at distances farther than that. If it works at 30 and below and doesn't need to be replaced, it's a winner.
eddie heath Thank you for watching and sharing that. Much appreciated brother
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Are you gonna hunt with it this yr?
I don't think so. So many heads to try out.
I don’t understand from a physical standpoint how it “cups out” it’s got a tremendous amount of wind resistance. With that being said, a friend of mine did use it with several late season Whitetail does and had fantastic results at close distances
It is somewhat counterintuitive. The cup actually reduces air friction by directing it off of the shaft itself.
I wish the cut was slightly larger but they will definitely be getting a look from me this summer
Yeah, I do as well. I've heard mixed reviews about blood trails. Small is still small. I'm sure they do better than a "normal" head with a .91" cutting diameter, but do they do better than a head with a 1.25" cutting diameter? It's doubtful. They are making a larger cut model, and that would be really interesting to test.
Lusk Archery Adventures very true it’s a larger cut but you pay for it in weight, 150 gr for a 1 1/8” broadhead is a lot imo. The head I’m very seriously looking at is the Hades regular tip model, very very good looking head
What would you choose between this and the VPA 125 3 blade( non vented)?
I've not tested these on animals yet, so it's hard to say. But I'd probably try the Ann rather than the VPA--they sure fly better due to the short profile.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thanks, that's really what I wanted to know. I'm looking for a head that I can re sharpen and is as accurate as possible. I figure an head will do the job if you put it in the right spot. Thanks again!
There's no reason to say you are sorry.this is how we learn.you made 1 mistake in how many tests that you have done.keep doing what you do.
Thank you Herman. Much appreciated.
Have you taken any animals with this head? Curious how it did.
I have not. I've been curious as well, as I've heard mixed reports. I like the XL a bit better cause they make a larger hole--check out my vid test of them as well. Maybe I will take a doe with one this Fall as a test run.
I never tested it at long range.. I just assumed it was good up to 50 yards and that was good enough for me. But this just shows that we are all human.. I shoot it beside my bishop scientific method broadheads and was just as good but a fraction of the cost. I love my bishops but the annihilator Is the broadhead I'm keeping in my quiver
Thanks Mikey.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and everyone has their own reasons and methods of hunting...and that's exactly how it should be. That being said, MY opinion on bowhunting might be a little different than other hunter's. When I started bowhunting 40 yrs ago, it was to get away from gun hunting. I wanted the greater challenge of getting the deer close enough to shoot with an arrow. I'm much more proud of the several deer I've shot at 2 or 3 yards than the buck I shot at 42 yards. People seem to be making an issue of long range accuracy (or lack of), and sure, for elk hunting or mountain goats or sheep or whatever, that's important, but for the average deer hunter I think it's not something to get so worked up over. If you want to shoot a deer at 80 yards, use a gun. JUST MY OPINION.
Thanks for sharing that, Russel. I also like the challenge of getting in as close as possible.
God made man perfectly imperfect in a beautiful way. Easy mistake to make brother.
Sore Lip City Thank you brother. Much appreciated
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Everyone screws up what matters how it's handled 👍
Thank you. That's my conviction as well. Much appreciated.
Terrific vid
Seems like a great broadhead.
Wish they’d made them heavier-say 200, 250 and 300 grain.
Also the cutting diameter is just a few millimetres too small, so it’s not legal to hunt with it where l’m at.
Yeah, I wish they made them bigger. They are working on that, but have had challenges getting them exactly how they wanted.