I already watched the video, Lewis, but I wanted to double check with you on this matter- did you ever read Ultimate Invasion or the Ultimate Universe one-shot? Because both of those comics provide a LOT of additional context that show that Earth 6160 is wildly off the course from 616 or 1610, even aside from superhero status quos. Thanks to the Maker's interventions, the political landscapes and country borders are completely different in 6160. The United States has apparently collapsed at some point and now Peter lives in a far smaller vestige state called the North American Union, which has since been taken over lowkey by some of the Maker's council members located in Europe.
@@TillmanStudios A great deal, actually, because all of these new Ultimate books are part of a broader ongoing narrative in this universe and the conflict to take back control from the Maker and his Council. That includes Ultimate Spider-Man.
@@incendiesproductions You're right, but like I said to someone else, Peter should've died along with May and Norman in Ultimate Invasion or the Ultimate Universe one-shot, forgetting which one that happened in, and Miles should've become Spider-Man. Peter was not supposed to live this long in the original Ultimate Universe, and Miles was supposed to be Spider-Man. So if we're going the 'they're trying to fix things that the Maker stopped', Peter should be dead and Miles should be Spidey.
No hate Lewis, but you mention that so far Peter doesn’t feel the weight and responsibility to be spider-man yet in #2 he almost scared his daughter to the point where he admits that he “might not be cut out for this” but then decides to give it another shot after seeing his daughter’s drawing of the spider symbol.
I think you’re expecting too specific things to happen too soon. I don’t know how many issues this comic is gonna have, but I think you just need to wait and see what happens. Like, at least, wait til issue five, if there will be one.
I feel like you're missing the point or are misreading the issue. Tony telling Peter was supposed to become Spider-Man was because he was going down the list of heroes whose origins were stolen by The Maker and Peter's name was the first from that list. Iron Lad is doing thjs with eveyone that was supposed to be a hero. I know you've said before that you only read Spider-Man comics but you should go back and read Ultimate Invasion and Ultimate Universe (maybe some of Hickman's other work). Those were the foundation of this new Ultimate Universe. One of the biggest themes that Hickman toys with is the idea of destiny and fate. Personally, I love that Peter is given a choice to become Spider-Man. It's a new and refreshing take. Most comic fans that have read Jonathan Hickman's work know that he isn't interested in repeating or retelling older stories; he's going to make something new. This isn't 616. It's not supposed to be following those rules. Also, it's a PICOTECH suit. Not nanotech.
Cool video , here are my 2 cents on the topic if you don't mind Personally I am not a big fan of the " Spidey is Pete's destiny stuff " either BUT in this specific instance Pete's a middle aged guy who's understandably going through a boring phase in life, so he takes the Spider powers as less of a " I have to be Hero " or " This is my destiny " and more of a " This might just be the change I am looking for " Atm he doesn't really have a big reason to hate what he has gotten, I mean he's a lot more active than he usually is alongside being much less tired and lets be honest having super powers would be the coolest thing , he hasn't really encountered the " Great Responsibility " or address why he NEEDS to be the Hero here , during his encounter with Shocker he literally second guesses himself with " I think I am supposed to stop you guys " Personally the run intrigues me and I am interested to see where we are headed with this.
I don’t have a problem with what they’re doing so far because the point of Ultimate Spider-man is to give us a fresh take on the character. If I wanted more of the same, I’d just keep reading ASM
tbh i dont particularly care if peter was bitten by the spider by chance or if it was destiny it matter that spiderman has that by what? 5-10% so imma have to disagree with you on that
Plus I think that to this day, people still misread what Stan Lee said that "Anyone can be Spider-Man". The thing is the way I see it he just meant that even in the real world, even without being bitten a radioactive spider we can adapt Spider-Man's values.
It doesn't matter if a person is asian, african, etc... we all can be responsible even if we don't have the great power. Because having powers is not the only thing that makes Spider-Man, it's also his responsibility to helping people. It just so happened that this comic book run is another Peter Parker story.
Anyone can be Spider-Man. But not everyone is Peter Parker. Or Miles Morales. Or Miguel O'Hara. I feel like the "anyone can be under the mask" is taken way too literally in your case. Anyone can be Spider-Man. But not everyone is Peter Parker. Or Miles. Or Miguel. The message is that they are supposed to represent what we as people could be. They are ultimately, avatars of heroism. The mask closes out their identities, but we all know that what is inside the mask is ultimately what makes a "Spider-Man", not the mask itself, or the powers. This is the same case in mythologies of old. For instance, anyone can be an all powerful demigod son of Zeus. You just have to be born as one by sheer chance. But not everyone is Hercules, who went on to do incredible things. So yes, anyone can be Spider-Man. But not everyone would be. And let's be real, Tony probably saw some slides in the Maker's office of the timeline's original course and calls it "destiny". It's not really the literal "Destiny" capital D. I feel like had Peter in this universe been bitten by accident in the first issue, that would actually reinforce the message of "Destiny" as a force of the universe more than him choosing it on his own. That would just be like the universe course-correcting itself by happenstance, which would actually be actual "Destiny" compared to what we have now. Although I do agree that TASM2's understanding of it sucked.
Having listened to the entire video first, I have to say I still inherently disagree with you here, Lewis. The fact of the matter is that you're expecting this to JUST be like 616 or 1610 Spider-Man, when the sales pitch of Earth-6160 in general is that we're in uncharted territories narratively and that inversions of various status quos are abound and plentiful for the entire Marvel world. The first time we ever saw this version of Peter Parker was in Ultimate Invasion #1 at age 15 when he was about to be bitten by the spider as per usual- and the Maker deliberately intervened to block that origin story. Once that happened, there was never any chance that this Peter finally becoming Spider-Man 20 years would be anything other than him being given a choice to receive those powers. And with that in mind, the lessons that this Peter has to learn about what being Spider-Man means and the job entails are inherently different. Frankly I also completely disagree with you in the idea that this version of Peter isn't relatable and from what I've seen in discussing the matter with readers in their late 20s, 30's or 40's, that would likely be the consensus. There's more than one way for Peter Parker to be an everyman than just getting bitten on accident- a whole generation or two of adults have been coming into age this past decade and finding that a lot of the promises and opportunities they were supposed to have upon entering adulthood have been robbed from them by policy decisions made by older generations that came before. If you're not in that age group yet, I really think you might be missing what makes this Peter and his unique struggle in becoming Spider-Man so much later in life feel VERY human and relatable. Moreover "great power, great responsibility" is an important theme for Spidey, but there's more than one way to learn it.
I think that you're missing his point. Yes, we're in uncharted territories narratively, but that's not his point. We all know that Reed prevented Peter from getting the original bug bite, but what does that have to do with that being his destiny? That original bite, was supposed to be by chance. Harry, MJ, Flash, Kong, etc, could've gotten bit by that spider, that still would've been a by chance bite. Since Reed prevented that bite from happening, yes, they needed a new way to give him powers, but they could've done it in much better ways. Maybe he's walking home from work, maybe it was at May's funeral, maybe it could've been at Harry's house, since he would theoretically still have the 00 spider, or maybe he even goes to one of the rooms of his house to kill a spider and ends up getting bit by it. His issues it not it being a different universe, his issue is that Tony basically tells him his destiny is to be Spider-Man, that part was not necessary, they could've handled him becoming Spider-Man much better. And I don't think this would've been an issue for him or anyone else if this wasn't the case with every other Spider-Man/Women. Every person to ever get bit since Ezekiel's introduction wasn't a fluke accident, it was because it was their fate, which goes against the very reason Stan Lee created the character in the first place. Also, Lewis said that takes away from PART of his reliability, not ALL of it. The part it takes away from was that it couldn't have been anyone under the mask, it's just Peter Parker and there's no way around that. That's the part of reliability it takes from, we can't imagine ourselves under that mask, because we CAN'T be under that mask, only Peter can. Yes, he's still relatable, but it's in the same way Iron Man, Batman, Flash, or Captain America are relatable. They have relatable aspects, sometimes really relatable aspects, but part of what made Peter Parker the most relatable hero has been taken away from him. Also, he never says that Uncle Ben HAS to die for Peter to learn great power comes great responsibility, he's just interested on how they're going to do it. Peter loses Ben or May, Miles doesn't help Spidey and he dies, Gwen loses Peter, etc, he's interested on how they're going to do that, he's not saying that it has to happen that way, but according to Across the Spider Verse, it does have to happen that way. I really don't think you watched the video, or very much misunderstood what he's saying.
@nStudios Tony doesn't tell peter that his destiny is to be Spider-Man. Tony tells him that the Maker stopped him from becoming a hero, because that's exactly what the Maker did, as with the all of the other heroes. There is no destiny angle in this story at all. Its just a matter of restoring things to the way things would have gone had the Maker not interfered with the world and made it one without heroes. If you're going by the destiny logic, then you could say that it was always the destiny of the Fantastic Four to get powers, but we know that isn't true. Also to your point about Across the Spider-Verse, we're not meant to take that literally. There's no doubt that in the next film Miles is going to save his dad and prevent his world from being destroyed, proving that canon events are bullshit. That's the whole point of the movie. I mean even Gwen questions if the canon would be broken if Miles saved his dad.
@@soccerboyj11 To your point, it would've been just as easy for Peter to reject becoming Spier-Man, because at this point in time, Miles was supposed to be Spider-Man, so if we're going based off making things the way they were before Reed, realistically, Peter should've died along with May and Norman, and Miles should've gotten bit by the spider. I agree, but for all we know we find out that there's no way to avoid cannon events, much like in No Way Home where instead of Ben dying May does, we could see Rio die instead of Jefferson, meaning that cannon events are going to happen, if you are able to stop one cannon event, it'll create another one.
I personally loved this story it’s really awesome and seeing ultimate Peter Parker telling mayday Parker his daughter he’s Spider-Man makes me so happy that I am very excited to see what happens next especially with Peter Parker and Mary Jane and there kids being part of this adventure would be really awesome and tons of fun in my opinion.
I believe that Peter isn’t necessarily destined to be Spider-Man but destined to be able to do great things. Becoming Spider-Man just boost his ability to do greater things. Many what ifs comics have shown that it’s not always Peter’s “destiny” to be Spider-Man. It’s more that Peter had a higher probability of becoming Spider-Man because of his life choices and character. And that’s what I like bout this run, choice. He was given a choice to become Spider-Man, something we all would have love to be given. I believe the whole “Anyone can wear the mask” is more about Spider-Man symbol of bravery and heroics. By being brave, never giving up, and facing every challenge, anyone can be Spider-Man.
I agree with your opinion on the fact that making Peter destined to be Spider-Man takes away the relatability of the character, I personally don't see why excatly people are so up in arms about it. I can understand the original Spider-Totem retcon from the 2000's, but not the multiverse one. The idea of Canon Events isn't created just for Spider-Verse. It's a fairly common thing in multiverse/time travel stories where certain events happen (such as in every universe, WWII happens. In DC, every universe has a Superman, Batman, etc. And in every Marvel universe, there is a Spider-Person and certain heroes are consistent). I don't think it's fair or makes sense to blame the Spider-Verse as a way of taking away Peter's relatability as that's just what happens in a multiverse story. Also, the reason why so many Spiders are Peter Variants is because each universe is a spin-off of the main comic universe, so it makes sense that most of them will be Peter. But, just because most of them are Peter, doesn't mean they don't have their own unique personalities (i.e. Spider-Man Noir and Spider-Man India). I think the multiverse destiny thing just expanded on the original Spider-Totem retcon and tied them into the multiverse. Which, if you think about it, If the Spider-Totem thing was never a thing, then the multiverse Canon Events would fill that role instead. Hope this makes sense and, again, this is just my two cents on the Spider Destiny thing.
Is better than the other Spider-man comics we got. What does the writers have against Spider-man and Mary Jane as a happily married couple with kids. Something like the Current Ultimate Spider-man should have happen years ago when May Day Parker was first introduced. Superman and Lois are married and have a son named Johnathan. Why can't the same thing happen with Spider-man and Mary Jane?
I will have to diagree with the "Peter is destined" and "Anyone can be Spider-Man". I don't think this comics have the "Peter is destined to be Spider-Man" we have to remember that in this universe Peter is the original Ultimate universe so when Tony says "Spider-Man is your destiny" he is RIGHT! PETER WAS SUPOSED TO BE THE SPIDER-AM OF THIS UNIVERSE!! And no Peter didn't become Spider-Man because Tony said "Its an canon event brother" Peter decided to embrace that destiny! He decided that he would be Spider-Man and that is awesome! We finally have an universe where Peter wants to be a hero and isn't by chance or destiny! He isn't destined, Spider-man was he's future and he wants it back! And now he will be a Spider-Man who has the heart and soul to embrace being a hero when he has the choice. About the whole "Anyone can be Spider-man" you are right, but you are also wrong. Anyone can be a Spider-Man but only Peter Parker is THE SPIDER-MAN! But not all Peter can be Spider-Man like any other can be a Spider-Man. When Stan said that anyone can be Spider-Man I interpret as him saying that anyone can use the mask and have the powers but there is only ONE SPIDER-MAN and that man is Peter Parker. I like Miles as a Spider-Man but I hate when anyone says he's The Spider-Man. I know its a bad example, but only Bruce Wayne can be THE BATMAN even if there can be other people that use the mantle. Spider-Man isn't a title, a rank or a suit, Spider-Man is the legacy off a Man... a Man called PETER BENJAMIN PARKER! I hate the Across the Spiderverse because they say: "Peter and al he's choices? All of them weren't because he is himself... its because destiny chooses to" And about the suit, yeah I don't like the nanotech... But I like the idea of an plain suit that actually scares people. Maybe the black suit won't be a simbiote but the first design peter makes for his suit.
I agree on everything but I disagree on the everyone can be spider-man thing, is not about who is better "spider-man" is not like miles is less spider-man than Peter, its not. The one thing that is a fact is that is a legacy that Peter started but not for that people can't be like Peter parker or better (Peter itself is not perfect). I love across the spiderverse because it shows the clichés of spider-man and saying "you don't really have a choice, it has to happend like that" Peter B parker didn't knew his uncle was going to die or captain stacy, do you believe this Peter would let his MJ die or May die just because is destined to happend? I don't think so
@@richardcastillos2896 I'm not saying that Miles is worst than Peter. In fact people shouldn't even compare the two, I like the idea of miles but i don't like that as time passes he steals more from Peter and gets to anime power levels just to be interesting. Imagine the idea of a teenager that likes music, art and is good at entertaining people being the soul of the party. That could be Miles and that would be and verry good and interesting character with their own problems and beliefs. I always imagine a cross over where this Miles and the Og Peter go and take out some bad guys and while peter is starting to leave Miles starts to play with a kid on the street and lifting up the mood of everyone. That could show that Peter is an great hero but focus on saving the lives where Miles wants people to live them. It isn't that difivult to make an awesome Miles Morales that would be alsomest as loved as the original and is own character with his rogues, love interests, suporting cast and job. I love the idea of Miles working on F.E.A.S.T while Peter works on the bugle becuase it shows their mindsets: Miles wants help and uplift everyone while having fun and being an optimistic while Peter is someone that always thinks about the consequences and is always worried about something so he wants people to feel safe when he is near by making a serious situation more light hearted. Even the suporting cast would be better, imagine Miles and MJ vibing toguether by being a lot similar, Miles could learn what can happen if he is to care free with black Cat, he can learn how to be a good person but also stearn with J.Jonah. Jameson, he could learn to never stay down becuase of fear with Robbie, he can learn how to even if he is the most broken he can still be strong with Aunt May and he could learn how to be a hero and symbol and learn that Power and Responsability are tied together with Peter. I like the idea and potencial of Miles, but unfortunally he is only an replacement with an love for power creeping. And th worst part is that when he is adapted he never fights he's own villains! WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?! So yeah I like Miles as an concept and what he could be and bring to the table... But he is not THE SPIDER-MAN and people will have to accept that. Let him be a Spider-man insted of making him Spider-Man!
@@thiefpersona I agree with you on that they are giving Miles this anime powers like a sword make of electricity and I get why they are doing that, is to let Miles not be equal to Peter (maybe they think more powers mean more interesting character) when is not like that. I feel other problem comes also with the editorial not letting Peter grow if Peter is "always" (because dosen't age) gonna be spider-man he is not letting for example Miles take the legacy in a future and I not saying he is a replacement is not but there is a problem of "we can't handle to spider-man in the same city or place" that's why for example superior spider-man was in san francisco (the Otto clone). Also the villain thing lets be honest he dosen't really have much Villains he pretty much share the Villains Peter has and to be honest I don't see it in a bad way, if Peter sees the kingpin he is not gonna say "oh that DD villain I wont interfire" and I get that with Miles for example his uncle was a mayor villain in the first movie and the spot lets say is not really a Villain we have seen in any audiovisual si I feel its okay to let Miles have villains of Peter the mistake would be not create new Villains"
@@richardcastillos2896 Actually, I remember seing somewhere that Miles has his own villains. But lets talk about villains: The Original prowler was Obbie Brown (Yes the Spider Punk was the prowler in the 616 continuity) but I don't see a problem With Aron Davis as the Prowler so 0K, The Spot is almost a joke villain so no problem in sharing I say OK, Kingpin is a city scale treat so no problem there OK, The Tikerer is strange because in the original comics he is a old man like vulture and in the games its a girl that has the same age as Miles so I'm not the biggest fan and the character Phin also sucks so NOPE, Then we have Mister Negative that is also a City level treat (at least) so no problem OK, Kraven wants to be the best or die trying but he as connection with Peter so if it was well done it could work but NOPE and then we have Venom that lets not talk about him being harry because I would discuss this for an intire year but lets summarize in this venom is awfull and he's relationship woth miles is even worse. An in the next game is enemies seem to be Doc Oc and The green Goblin... I won't even think and explain this isn't a nope this a HELL NO ARE YOU INSANE?! And I don't agree with the "he doesn't have villains" argument. If he doesn't have villains... CREATE SOME VILLAINS!! Is it that hard or did people run out of animals?! How about an hedgehog teemed villain called THE SPIKE HEDGE? BOOM DONE, make him an funny story or sad story and give me the next one. I took 30 seconds to think of an new villain... 30 SECONDS!!
@@thiefpersona I like what you say about the villains but I don't think is that simple the hard part is to make a "memorable villain". I have to disagree in two villains you say: 1-Its true Kraven its a Villain mainly to spider-man but he dosen't really has a moral compass against just him for example he has fought Elektra and Wolverine for example. 2-The spot is to me a scary villain, he is potrait as comedy because his design is funny but if you think about he could break a lot of necks if he propose that. About venom well he is not a villain anymore at least in the 616 but in ultimate universe venom killed his mom (something I would have like stay as cano but lets say is not that bad). The thing with Aaron is that he is not really a villain at least in recent comics because if we are talking about the ultimate Aaron well he was an ass person
I watched it and I disagree with your take on this. With tasm and the while run with Ezekiel, Peter's destiny was set out by other outside forces and people, which peter had no control over. Meanwhile in this run peter became spiderman because he chose to, he wanted to be. Peter could've just ignored everything iron lad told him and refused to be spiderman, but he chose not to. That's why I think the way it's done isn't really an issue because peter had a choice, meanwhile with the other examples he didn't. I also think it adds onto his character because even though he had a great life, he chose to be a hero knowing the risks because he wants to help people. Also the whole thing with atsv, it's heavily implied that miguel is wrong about the whole canon event stuff. If it were really true then Peter's dimension would've been destroyed with the existence of mayday, because if it weren't for miles she would've never been born. Also miles wouldn't have any canon event following Miguel's logic because he was never supposed to become spider man in the first place. The last thing is that miles being spiderman at should've caused his dimension to become destroyed
In response to this video, I have 2 things to say. 1. While I appreciate the Everyman aspect of Spider-Man, I’m not exactly bothered by the whole Destiny element of it. For one thing, Straczynski wasn’t providing a concrete explanation, and was more so proposing an idea more than anything when it came to totems. And sure, it may not be an accident seeing how there are a lot of variations of Peter like Pavitr Prabhakar, or Peter Porker or Petra Parker, the fact is, the Multiverse is infinite. Which means that there are infinite possibilities. Sure people can interpret this as everything is different in every reality, but that’s a limit in its own right. In order to embrace the limitless possibilities, there will be an infinite number of universes where things are different, as well as infinite universes where there are only slight variations, and even infinite universes that are just copies of themselves. Also, Tony calling Spider-Man Peter’s Destiny doesn’t in any way devalue the Everyman aspect of Spider-Man. That’s probably just his interpretation of Spider-Man after time traveling to study the heroes’ origins and how the Maker prevented them from happening. Also, in the context of nanosuits, I have one thing to say. Who gives a crap? Sure, I’ve seen a lot of people talking about how suit ups were epic in superhero movies but nowadays, they’re ruined by nanotech. But the thing is, superhero suit ups shouldn’t even be that epic to begin with. Sure, it’s probably cool the FIRST time they do it, but then afterwards, it’s basically just akin to putting on work clothes. In the movies, these suit ups are only cool because of the cinematography and background music. If you were within the MCU, these suit-ups would inherently be not that cool because there would be no close-ups or whatever movie magic made them cool, nor would there be music to make it feel epic. I don’t feel epic or larger than life when I put on a business suit, unless I put on some music or imagine myself doing weird quick zooms or whatever to spice up what is otherwise a boring and mundane aspect of life.
As far as the point of The cannon events in Spiderverse being bad, that’s missing the point that in the spiderverse movie Miguel is wrong about the cannon events
I think you are looking at this the wrong way, dude. In Ultimate Invasion's first issue that proceeded this, Peter was going to be bitten until the Maker stopped him. Its not taking away from the idea that anyone can be Spiderman. Its basically more about the person who was going to be bitten given the opportunity he lost back. A destiny. Plus, Hickman is a man of longterm story telling. See his work on Avengers, Fantastic 4, XMen and youll see not everything gets resolved in 1 or 2 issues. You gotta give it time
Dude. I think you’re taking it all at face value. Yes, I also don’t like that getting bitten by the spider is determined by fate, nor do I like Dan Slott’s Spider-Verse comics. But, here’s some things to consider: 1. While the first arc of JMS and JRJr’s run introduces Peter to the CONCEPT of a mythical aspect to his origin, Peter outright rejects it by the end. The rest of the run is very down to earth and urban, with every few arcs dwelling with Ezekiel’s mythical fanaticism and origin. The big question is whether or not Ezekiel and Peter’s origins are related in any way, but it’s never definitely stated. And Peter never buys into it either way. JMS was seeking to deconstruct and reconstruct Spider-Man buy creating that questioning. Ezekiel is led by his belief in the mythical. His faith. Peter is grounded by his belief in science, and chance. It’s an analysis of those concepts, but never provides a definitive answer. 2. In the Spider-Verse movies, the messages is EXPLICITLY meant to doubt the whole “only Peter Parker can be Spider-Man”. As for canon events, the story clearly pushes us to question it. The trilogy is not complete yet, but the Spider-Verse movies clearly work as a meta-narrative for the current state of the character. Miles as the thesis that “anyone can wear the mask”; Peter B. as a critique of Peter in current comics since One More Day, being reluctant to grow, a bit of a man-child, and yet, unlike the comics, visibly older and divorced, criticizing editors’ inability to LET him grow and age past his persistant status quo; Miguel and the canon-events are a criticism of fans who insist “things have to be a certain way” and fan toxicity. 3. NONE of this contradicts the new Ultimate Spider-Man. The series is intended to be an on-going, but it’s clear the first big arc is meant to span 12-issues (each issue opening month of the year, showing the passing of time) so we only have 2 issues so far. It wants to play with concepts by not only making Peter become Spider-Man as an older man, not only having his uncle be alive, not only having him be married, but letting him CHOOSE the power and responsibility that comes with being Spider-Man. And we’ll see how that’ll affect his life. It’s worth mentioning that, yes, Spider-Man IS his destiny, but not his fate. Those are two different concepts. Fate is something that is always meant to happen. Destiny is a path you go down by your own action and the unpredictability of life and other people’s actions. Assuming you’ve read Ultimate Invasion and Ultimate Universe (the comics that preceeded this run) it’s heavily implied that earth-6160 is just a copy of 616 The Maker made in order to try and play God. He tampered with the very fabric of reality and the history of humanity. Peter’s choices to go to the science fair, arrive at the time he did, go to that particular exhibition, and stand where he stood was his destiny. It’s the choices he made. The same goes for whatever set of choices led to the spider standing where it was and getting irradiated. This Peter seems to be meant to reflect the insecurities and lack of sense of direction in many aging millenials and gen Zers. That he missed out on something big. On something that could’ve helped or benefited others. So, he jumps at the opportunity to do so when given it. A more cynical reading of that would be that Peter did it out of a selfish need to want to be “special”. A more optimistic one would be that this Peter is assuming a Superman-like role. Helping others because he can, not due to some sense of guilt. I lean towards the latter, but we’ll still have to see. As for the PICOTECH suit, it’s clearly meant to be a spin of the symbiote, and will probably be destroyed sometime soon. All covers show that very classic-looking suit (even with the original Ditko/Romita emblem) that is probably inspired by the drawing May gives him at the end of issue #2. The alternative covers COULD be different outfits he tests out, but I wouldn’t bet on it. I think it’s more that his black suit serves as a blank canvas and he’s still figuring out what kind of Spider-Man he is. But yeah, Ultimate Spider-Man does NOT go against the character. It forces us to see him through a different lens and consider different aspects and characterizations. Nobody complained when Noir killed Vulture and Kraven, or got bitten by cursed African spiders and given powers by the spider-God. This is a more mature, family-man, loving Peter who’s aging and wanting to make a difference, help others, due to his sense of responsibility. His actions led him down a path where he would’ve been bitten by the Spider had The Maker not intervened. It’s a Spider-Man who’s reclaiming his destiny back, not fate. A Spider-Man who CHOSE to be a hero because it’s what’s right, and not due to guilt. And that’s a new take I can get behind.
With how many reboots Spider-Man got I'd expect this to be the last fanbase that wants the character to be a certain way. Are they making a strawman of fans or are you just interpreting your own hangups into the movie?
@@АлексейМомот-щ7о What I’m SAYING is, this is a character that is a cultural icon, and has been reinterpreted hundreds of times. The slight change in perspective to that backstory doesn’t alter his core, it’s just a clever twist from the concept of “having great power thrust upon you, and maybe not being ready for it”. But of CHOOSING said power, BECAUSE of the desire for said responsibility, the desire to do better. It’s just as valid. An example is the MCU version of the character. I don’t care for it, but it doesn’t make it any less valid. People being spiteful about a different version of the character doesn’t do EXACTLY just as another one is how “Spider-Man: Lotus” ended up happening. And we all know how that went. It’s not taking anything from the character. It’s just providing a twist on an old classic. It just so happens that people are ENJOYING said twist and direction.
He wasn’t told it was his destiny. He was told he was robbed of another life. Also I don’t quite think you understand across the spider-verse’s message man.
There was a series of old What IF? stories where other characters like Flash Thompson, Betty Brant and John Jameson got bitten by the Spider becoming Spider Powered Super heroes. As is typical of What If? stories they ended up doing a worse job than Peter.
@@LewisFilmsProductionscould you make a video on how Spider-Man’s anger issues have basically been erased? cause like before it used to be a part of his personality (via the og ultimate comics) but now it’s seemingly gone
@@_bent_1Well, to begin with we haven't seen enough of him to know if those are there, second, this is a completely different new version of the character that isn't based on the original Ultimate Spidey
@@JLD22591 im not talkin about that. im just telling him to make a video on how 616 Spidey’s anger issues are seemingly gone now. sorry dude, shouldve specified
This version of Peter Parker is the best by far. My concern is mainly how MJ will react to learning Peter's that mysterious man in the black nano suit.
Why do you want an alternative universe Spider-Man to have the exact same story as 616 Spidey? It's different on purpose. The Maker changed history by taking the spider away and Tony gave it back to him.
Spidey’s not a disease that needs a cure and he’s more than a random bug bite. Spider-Man is who I am, my destiny. Destiny by choice, not by being told
What's funny is that this comic run follows that sentiment because peter was the one who chooses his destiny. He chose to be spiderman when ge didn't have to. I'm pretty sure iron lad even told him he could forget everything he told peter and continue on with his life
Oh brother 😭 we FINALLY get a good Spider-Man comic and you say it’s overrated. This is why they hate us Spider-Man fans bc we could never be pleased 😭
Spider-Man being anyone is something that was definitely relevant when the comic was first started but after decades of history, Peter Parker IS Spider-Man. No matter who comes after, be it Miles Morales or Ben Reilly, they’ll never be Peter Parker. It is the character of Peter that makes it feel like anyone could be under the suit. But only Peter could be Spider-Man. I absolutely agree with you on canon events though. I didn’t like it that much either, for the same reasons.
He has a black nanotech suit from stark from the future. And issue 2 showed how he was gonna change the black suit to his iconic red and blue suit. So i think he will go to spandex and kevlar in the 3rd or 4th issue.
The main difference when it comes to the whole destiny subject is that peter was actually supposed to be bit by the spider and was going to be until the maker removed it right before it bit Peter's hand. If Flash was standing where peter was and the spider was about to bite his hand but the maker removed it, then Flash would have been in Peter's shoes, which in turn reinforces the Everyman aspect. Like anyone could have been standing where peter was when the maker removed the spider, but it was peter, and the maker prevented him from being bitten, so he was robbed of his "destiny," so to speak.
You have a point about the concept of whether it was destiny or fate that Peter would get bit by the spider. Also, I think the Prototype suit that Peter wears is a reference to Ultimate Venom, not Nanotech.
It was mentioned in the first issue that it’s a picotech suit, which is even more evolved than a nanotech suit. Meh, doesn’t matter where the suit comes from, I just find this series a breath of fresh air after such staleness on ASM (writing-wise…still loving JRJR on art)
It's just a different take, a slight creative liberty. I think that's the beauty of storytelling that not every iteration of a character has to follow the exact mold. I get what you're saying about chance vs destiny but it's the way Hickman chose to do it. Personally, I think it's a nice change of pace. There have been times in the comics where Peter chose to give up being Spider-Man and there's been times in the films and TV series where he's contemplated why he was bitten and how he didn't ask to be bitten and how his life will never really be the same because of it. So, I really like that Hickman's Peter willingly chose to be Spider-Man and accept the hardship even though he has a legit happy life.
Very true. You make a good point and that’s why this is a very fine line. I believe it’s one of the core elements of the character that you can’t change but some people will disagree. Either way, the series is good all else, hopefully Hickman cooks in the next few issues
The "it's your destiny" thing pretty much was in man of steel where jor el choose his son to be a hero of earth when he should've made that choice himself and now that type of plot point is used for spider man when that happened to him before in the comics than just what spider verse canon events are really saying I get it it takes away the core aspect of what makes spider man who is and for me it is never right for that to be the case for him at all no someone could've been bitten by a spider by chance than him like uncle ben, aunt may, Gwen, MJ, Felicia, JJJ, Flash, Miles etc. Pretty much though so it doesn't really work for Spider man that his "canon events" is what was to shaped him as a hero he'd faced in his life that's just off to the character I can tell.
I really like the "destiny" aspect of it, but I understand and see your points. I think there's a range. ASM 2 is the worst case scenario, ATSV is the best case, and this falls somewhere in the middle.
I always told myself the universes where Peter and people close to him are Spider-Man come together a lot because it’s easier to travel to universes similar to yours. That obviously the multiverse has infinite Spider-People that aren’t Peter and don’t even know who Peter is. Somewhere in the multiverse there’s a SpiderVerse event full of Gabriella Stacies, daughters of Gwen Stacy and Harry Osborn in worlds where those two never met Peter, questioning if there’s a world where Spider-Woman isn’t just her.
I don’t see this as a pre-destined thing, though. Now yes, Iron Lad says that Peter was supposed to be Spider-Man. But that’s more just how his timeline was supposed to go, from someone in the future. He isn’t a chosen one, but in the flow of time he was supposed to get bitten by the spider if someone hadn’t traveled through time and changed that from happening. I don’t think that changes the relatability of his character If I find a 5 dollar bill on the ground, and a time traveller steals that 5 dollar bill before I grab it, I just don’t get it. That doesn’t mean someone else COULDN’T have grabbed it. It just means they didn’t and I was the one who got the five dollars. The only thing that I don’t feel right about is that Tony gave Peter a choice, whereas normally he doesn’t get a choice. If Tony just dropped the Spider at the daily bugle when Peter was working, it’d be totally fine. I have no problem with Peter just getting it later in life.
His daughter see the steath suit as scary those he throws it away and make a normal red and blue not nanotech and he will get the normal suit in issue 3
To be honest I think that's kind of the point, issue 1 is about him learning why he WANTS to be spiderman, but he doesn't know why it MEANS to be spiderman, so I'd say we should just give him a bit more time to cook, especially when he doesn't even have his iconic costume yet
The Canon Events say that the main story beats with Spider-Man are destined to happen but (as we are told very clearly) they're wrong because Miles became Spider-Man despite that fact that he was apparently never supposed to be Spider-Man. It proves that the canon is bullshit and Miguel is wrong
The Canon events for The movie is orchastrated by Miguel. It seems that Miles could be the Spider-man to reveal Miguel's play to the Spider society and break the Canon rule. You said it yourself, the movie if filled with mostly Peter Parker from across the multiverse and Miles was an accident. This is why i think Miguel is ploting something bigger and Miles is an anomoly to his plans, not the web of life. Which is why Miguel wants Miles to stay out of the Spider society and the multiverse as a whole.
You urged everyone in the comments to watch the whole video but you never raised any point in the video that irrifuted what people criticised you for. You may not like it but all signs point to it being Peters destiny to br Spider-man no matter what run or medium that everyman stuff is just nice words said by fans. At the end of the day Peter is Spider-man.
@@LewisFilmsProductions You said, "I urge you to watch the whole video before assuming/commenting". That would leave me to believe you had some kind of evidence or gotcha moment but you just stated your opinion which is fine, but you are replying to people in a short manner when they just stated their opinion as well.
@@NeedAVacay-y5uhe left that comment cause a lot of people were assuming he hates the run when he states a lot of the time that he likes the story just has some issues with it, that comment wasn’t for the people who criticized
I actually agree with your points here but I think it still worked really well for the story of Ultimate Spider-Man and I loved that scene even though I was thinking the same thing that it was a bit odd that it was his destiny
While I don't agree with everything you said, i respect you putting your opinion up. It's better to be honest on it than bandwagon with what everyone else is saying. Stay true to it man 😁
I understand you, really, but. We can all be a Spider-Man but only PETER PARKER can be THE Spider-Man That's why i'm in love with this version Because he choose that
Omg YES, I was squirming in my seat thinking you'd not mention the frickin nanotech. I HATE the obsession with super-futuristic tech these days. Just give my men cloth costumes it only makes them look MORE badass cause they don't need the tech 😭
Yea I’m going say most of this was bad take, that u only looked at the surface level of that story with Ezekiel since he only pose a question to Peter and having him look at his powers in a different view point with Peter later not caring how he came to be and used that revelation to defeat Morlun bc ultimately whether it was by accident, or by fate, it all led to him, the one who defines what Spider-Man should be Also saying by saying it was his destiny to be Spider-Man ruins his every man look by making him special, Peter was already special before the spider bit him and it was for his love of science that stood him out from the rest of his classmates that would bully him, it’s what helped him defeat his early enemies and it comes back into play with that story with Ezekiel and Morlun and let’s him relate to the students when he becomes a science teacher at Midtown High
All the issue you have with this book could easily be fixed if you know… you just waited for more issues to come out? Why do you think Hickman would just write as he gets a perfect life as Spider-Man with no consequences? Like there’s clearly gonna be more written. Also the whole point of this is he chooses to become Spider-Man because a part of his life was stolen from him and he’s bored I don’t think they’re gonna be painting this as a good thing.
Right, so I see your point in issue 1 Peter was told by Tony to become Spider-Man. Maybe the writers should have given him more time to develop his decision before taken up the mental. Also I agree the nanotech is a bit much. As for uncle Ben, I do like to see more of him. I like Shockers design as well and as for how Peter got his powers in the ASM 2. That would make a good explanation of how Peter survive the spiders bite.
yeah the comic aint overrated just because Peter was destined to be bitten by the spider. its the ultimate universe, its an offshoot of the main marvel universe
Ya I really don’t like the “chosen one” trope. Nor do I like there being a Spider-Man is basically a job title that so many different characters can have. I much before just a “random guy” gaining some abilities and helping out his neighborhood
Thanks for articulating this. Been dealing with a lot of so-called fans telling me Peter Parker Spider-Man's origin doesn't matter, that him being stripped of his ingenuity and intellect doesn't matter, that becoming Spider-Man out of boredom and obedience to some interdimensional authority is the most authentic Spider-Man they have ever seen. I figure they like the powers, the suit, the visual appeal of rogues galleries and specific love interests, with no care about the quality of story that holds all that together. As I have said before, simply aging Peter up and adding children and MJ as his wife will not automatically produce meaningful stories. Those are nice elements. But the how and the why matter.
Having watched the video, I gotta say I disagree. I will say I agree that this isn't how *I* envision Spider-Man, but here's the thing: my idea of who Spider-Man is already exists. I already have *my* Spider-Man in the Raimi Trilogy. They came and went, and no matter what comes out, they still exist. I'm not angry about alternate takes on Spider-Man, because even if it doesn't fit how *I* see the character, my favorite Spider-Man is right over there. I like seeing alternate takes on Peter Parker. The whole destiny thing doesn't fit in with *my* ideal Spider-Man, but it's a concept that can be taken in kany unique and interesting directions if done right. Even nanotech, something I used to hate in the MCU, I've come to appreciate. We're so used to seeing Spider-Man with very few gadgets beyond his web-shooters, spider-tracers, etc. The idea of making Spider-Man more sci-fi focused is something that can be made very interesting if done right. Bottom line: I don't think there's anything wrong with alternate takes on Spider-Man. I like seeing unique takes on the character. I like seeing new artistic visions on Spider-Man. Even if they don't fit how *I* see the character, my ideal version of Spider-Man already exists. Either way, I respect your opinion, and I can see where you're coming from, because I used to he very specific about how Spidey is portrayed, too. But everyone sees Spider-Man differently, and I've grown to like seeing people present their own unique takes on the character.
I do see where you’re coming from. I guess I’ve just accepted that this isn’t gonna be what I’m used to, which before was the underlying reason as to why it felt off to me.
I think youa re jumping the gun here. Im honestly hopingbim wrong here, but i think this Peter will learn that lesson the hard way and my current theory is that somehow Jonah is going to be killed bc of Spider-Man.
I get what you are saying but nah. they are slowly cooking up a good story from what has been shown so far. like my dude.... we are only 2 issues in. let them cook and have a bit of patience before rushing to do a vid to be a contrarian.
Bruh ur point abt across the spiderverse makes no sense. If anything spider verse actually supports your argument. The whole point of across the spiderverse was literally that "canon events" are stupid. And the whole spiderverse franchise supports your stance that anyone can be spiderman. So it's confusing to me how you see that as a negative when it literally supports your stance
Never said I didn’t like this comic. I’m also excited for Greg Wiesmans series, and I’m one of the only few to enjoy a majority of Dan Slotts stories 😂
I urge you guys to watch the video before assuming / commenting.
I already watched the video, Lewis, but I wanted to double check with you on this matter- did you ever read Ultimate Invasion or the Ultimate Universe one-shot? Because both of those comics provide a LOT of additional context that show that Earth 6160 is wildly off the course from 616 or 1610, even aside from superhero status quos.
Thanks to the Maker's interventions, the political landscapes and country borders are completely different in 6160. The United States has apparently collapsed at some point and now Peter lives in a far smaller vestige state called the North American Union, which has since been taken over lowkey by some of the Maker's council members located in Europe.
@@incendiesproductions What the ever loving fu** does that have to do with anything?
@@TillmanStudios A great deal, actually, because all of these new Ultimate books are part of a broader ongoing narrative in this universe and the conflict to take back control from the Maker and his Council. That includes Ultimate Spider-Man.
@@incendiesproductions You're right, but like I said to someone else, Peter should've died along with May and Norman in Ultimate Invasion or the Ultimate Universe one-shot, forgetting which one that happened in, and Miles should've become Spider-Man. Peter was not supposed to live this long in the original Ultimate Universe, and Miles was supposed to be Spider-Man. So if we're going the 'they're trying to fix things that the Maker stopped', Peter should be dead and Miles should be Spidey.
@@TillmanStudios ???????
No hate Lewis, but you mention that so far Peter doesn’t feel the weight and responsibility to be spider-man yet in #2 he almost scared his daughter to the point where he admits that he “might not be cut out for this” but then decides to give it another shot after seeing his daughter’s drawing of the spider symbol.
I think you’re expecting too specific things to happen too soon. I don’t know how many issues this comic is gonna have, but I think you just need to wait and see what happens. Like, at least, wait til issue five, if there will be one.
I feel like you're missing the point or are misreading the issue. Tony telling Peter was supposed to become Spider-Man was because he was going down the list of heroes whose origins were stolen by The Maker and Peter's name was the first from that list. Iron Lad is doing thjs with eveyone that was supposed to be a hero. I know you've said before that you only read Spider-Man comics but you should go back and read Ultimate Invasion and Ultimate Universe (maybe some of Hickman's other work). Those were the foundation of this new Ultimate Universe. One of the biggest themes that Hickman toys with is the idea of destiny and fate.
Personally, I love that Peter is given a choice to become Spider-Man. It's a new and refreshing take. Most comic fans that have read Jonathan Hickman's work know that he isn't interested in repeating or retelling older stories; he's going to make something new.
This isn't 616. It's not supposed to be following those rules.
Also, it's a PICOTECH suit. Not nanotech.
It's only 2 issues in. Give it time mate
you didnt watch the video
@@LewisFilmsProductions with a title like that
Cool video , here are my 2 cents on the topic if you don't mind
Personally I am not a big fan of the " Spidey is Pete's destiny stuff " either BUT in this specific instance Pete's a middle aged guy who's understandably going through a boring phase in life, so he takes the Spider powers as less of a " I have to be Hero " or " This is my destiny " and more of a " This might just be the change I am looking for "
Atm he doesn't really have a big reason to hate what he has gotten, I mean he's a lot more active than he usually is alongside being much less tired and lets be honest having super powers would be the coolest thing , he hasn't really encountered the " Great Responsibility " or address why he NEEDS to be the Hero here , during his encounter with Shocker he literally second guesses himself with " I think I am supposed to stop you guys "
Personally the run intrigues me and I am interested to see where we are headed with this.
I don’t have a problem with what they’re doing so far because the point of Ultimate Spider-man is to give us a fresh take on the character. If I wanted more of the same, I’d just keep reading ASM
I'm not 100% sure about the "everybody could have been Spider-Man" thing. Half of what makes Spider-Man who he is is Peter Parker's heart
It's just 2 issues
tbh i dont particularly care if peter was bitten by the spider by chance or if it was destiny it matter that spiderman has that by what? 5-10% so imma have to disagree with you on that
Plus I think that to this day, people still misread what Stan Lee said that "Anyone can be Spider-Man". The thing is the way I see it he just meant that even in the real world, even without being bitten a radioactive spider we can adapt Spider-Man's values.
It doesn't matter if a person is asian, african, etc... we all can be responsible even if we don't have the great power. Because having powers is not the only thing that makes Spider-Man, it's also his responsibility to helping people. It just so happened that this comic book run is another Peter Parker story.
Lol everyone was crying about him being destined to become Spider-Man in the amazing movies but now they don’t care?
@@spider-jonah-man7148 hey man I wasnt one of those people were complaining alr?
Anyone can be Spider-Man. But not everyone is Peter Parker. Or Miles Morales. Or Miguel O'Hara. I feel like the "anyone can be under the mask" is taken way too literally in your case. Anyone can be Spider-Man. But not everyone is Peter Parker. Or Miles. Or Miguel. The message is that they are supposed to represent what we as people could be. They are ultimately, avatars of heroism. The mask closes out their identities, but we all know that what is inside the mask is ultimately what makes a "Spider-Man", not the mask itself, or the powers. This is the same case in mythologies of old. For instance, anyone can be an all powerful demigod son of Zeus. You just have to be born as one by sheer chance. But not everyone is Hercules, who went on to do incredible things. So yes, anyone can be Spider-Man. But not everyone would be.
And let's be real, Tony probably saw some slides in the Maker's office of the timeline's original course and calls it "destiny". It's not really the literal "Destiny" capital D. I feel like had Peter in this universe been bitten by accident in the first issue, that would actually reinforce the message of "Destiny" as a force of the universe more than him choosing it on his own. That would just be like the universe course-correcting itself by happenstance, which would actually be actual "Destiny" compared to what we have now.
Although I do agree that TASM2's understanding of it sucked.
Having listened to the entire video first, I have to say I still inherently disagree with you here, Lewis.
The fact of the matter is that you're expecting this to JUST be like 616 or 1610 Spider-Man, when the sales pitch of Earth-6160 in general is that we're in uncharted territories narratively and that inversions of various status quos are abound and plentiful for the entire Marvel world. The first time we ever saw this version of Peter Parker was in Ultimate Invasion #1 at age 15 when he was about to be bitten by the spider as per usual- and the Maker deliberately intervened to block that origin story. Once that happened, there was never any chance that this Peter finally becoming Spider-Man 20 years would be anything other than him being given a choice to receive those powers. And with that in mind, the lessons that this Peter has to learn about what being Spider-Man means and the job entails are inherently different.
Frankly I also completely disagree with you in the idea that this version of Peter isn't relatable and from what I've seen in discussing the matter with readers in their late 20s, 30's or 40's, that would likely be the consensus. There's more than one way for Peter Parker to be an everyman than just getting bitten on accident- a whole generation or two of adults have been coming into age this past decade and finding that a lot of the promises and opportunities they were supposed to have upon entering adulthood have been robbed from them by policy decisions made by older generations that came before. If you're not in that age group yet, I really think you might be missing what makes this Peter and his unique struggle in becoming Spider-Man so much later in life feel VERY human and relatable.
Moreover "great power, great responsibility" is an important theme for Spidey, but there's more than one way to learn it.
He didn't read Ultimate Invasion or the Ultimate Universe one-shot.
@@devanbarrios9216 That would explain a lot.
I think that you're missing his point.
Yes, we're in uncharted territories narratively, but that's not his point. We all know that Reed prevented Peter from getting the original bug bite, but what does that have to do with that being his destiny? That original bite, was supposed to be by chance. Harry, MJ, Flash, Kong, etc, could've gotten bit by that spider, that still would've been a by chance bite. Since Reed prevented that bite from happening, yes, they needed a new way to give him powers, but they could've done it in much better ways. Maybe he's walking home from work, maybe it was at May's funeral, maybe it could've been at Harry's house, since he would theoretically still have the 00 spider, or maybe he even goes to one of the rooms of his house to kill a spider and ends up getting bit by it. His issues it not it being a different universe, his issue is that Tony basically tells him his destiny is to be Spider-Man, that part was not necessary, they could've handled him becoming Spider-Man much better. And I don't think this would've been an issue for him or anyone else if this wasn't the case with every other Spider-Man/Women. Every person to ever get bit since Ezekiel's introduction wasn't a fluke accident, it was because it was their fate, which goes against the very reason Stan Lee created the character in the first place.
Also, Lewis said that takes away from PART of his reliability, not ALL of it. The part it takes away from was that it couldn't have been anyone under the mask, it's just Peter Parker and there's no way around that. That's the part of reliability it takes from, we can't imagine ourselves under that mask, because we CAN'T be under that mask, only Peter can. Yes, he's still relatable, but it's in the same way Iron Man, Batman, Flash, or Captain America are relatable. They have relatable aspects, sometimes really relatable aspects, but part of what made Peter Parker the most relatable hero has been taken away from him.
Also, he never says that Uncle Ben HAS to die for Peter to learn great power comes great responsibility, he's just interested on how they're going to do it. Peter loses Ben or May, Miles doesn't help Spidey and he dies, Gwen loses Peter, etc, he's interested on how they're going to do that, he's not saying that it has to happen that way, but according to Across the Spider Verse, it does have to happen that way. I really don't think you watched the video, or very much misunderstood what he's saying.
@nStudios Tony doesn't tell peter that his destiny is to be Spider-Man. Tony tells him that the Maker stopped him from becoming a hero, because that's exactly what the Maker did, as with the all of the other heroes. There is no destiny angle in this story at all. Its just a matter of restoring things to the way things would have gone had the Maker not interfered with the world and made it one without heroes. If you're going by the destiny logic, then you could say that it was always the destiny of the Fantastic Four to get powers, but we know that isn't true.
Also to your point about Across the Spider-Verse, we're not meant to take that literally. There's no doubt that in the next film Miles is going to save his dad and prevent his world from being destroyed, proving that canon events are bullshit. That's the whole point of the movie. I mean even Gwen questions if the canon would be broken if Miles saved his dad.
@@soccerboyj11 To your point, it would've been just as easy for Peter to reject becoming Spier-Man, because at this point in time, Miles was supposed to be Spider-Man, so if we're going based off making things the way they were before Reed, realistically, Peter should've died along with May and Norman, and Miles should've gotten bit by the spider.
I agree, but for all we know we find out that there's no way to avoid cannon events, much like in No Way Home where instead of Ben dying May does, we could see Rio die instead of Jefferson, meaning that cannon events are going to happen, if you are able to stop one cannon event, it'll create another one.
I personally loved this story it’s really awesome and seeing ultimate Peter Parker telling mayday Parker his daughter he’s Spider-Man makes me so happy that I am very excited to see what happens next especially with Peter Parker and Mary Jane and there kids being part of this adventure would be really awesome and tons of fun in my opinion.
I believe that Peter isn’t necessarily destined to be Spider-Man but destined to be able to do great things. Becoming Spider-Man just boost his ability to do greater things. Many what ifs comics have shown that it’s not always Peter’s “destiny” to be Spider-Man. It’s more that Peter had a higher probability of becoming Spider-Man because of his life choices and character. And that’s what I like bout this run, choice. He was given a choice to become Spider-Man, something we all would have love to be given.
I believe the whole “Anyone can wear the mask” is more about Spider-Man symbol of bravery and heroics. By being brave, never giving up, and facing every challenge, anyone can be Spider-Man.
That’s a fair way of looking at it
I agree with your opinion on the fact that making Peter destined to be Spider-Man takes away the relatability of the character, I personally don't see why excatly people are so up in arms about it. I can understand the original Spider-Totem retcon from the 2000's, but not the multiverse one. The idea of Canon Events isn't created just for Spider-Verse. It's a fairly common thing in multiverse/time travel stories where certain events happen (such as in every universe, WWII happens. In DC, every universe has a Superman, Batman, etc. And in every Marvel universe, there is a Spider-Person and certain heroes are consistent). I don't think it's fair or makes sense to blame the Spider-Verse as a way of taking away Peter's relatability as that's just what happens in a multiverse story. Also, the reason why so many Spiders are Peter Variants is because each universe is a spin-off of the main comic universe, so it makes sense that most of them will be Peter. But, just because most of them are Peter, doesn't mean they don't have their own unique personalities (i.e. Spider-Man Noir and Spider-Man India). I think the multiverse destiny thing just expanded on the original Spider-Totem retcon and tied them into the multiverse. Which, if you think about it, If the Spider-Totem thing was never a thing, then the multiverse Canon Events would fill that role instead. Hope this makes sense and, again, this is just my two cents on the Spider Destiny thing.
Is better than the other Spider-man comics we got. What does the writers have against Spider-man and Mary Jane as a happily married couple with kids. Something like the Current Ultimate Spider-man should have happen years ago when May Day Parker was first introduced. Superman and Lois are married and have a son named Johnathan. Why can't the same thing happen with Spider-man and Mary Jane?
I will have to diagree with the "Peter is destined" and "Anyone can be Spider-Man".
I don't think this comics have the "Peter is destined to be Spider-Man" we have to remember that in this universe Peter is the original Ultimate universe so when Tony says "Spider-Man is your destiny" he is RIGHT! PETER WAS SUPOSED TO BE THE SPIDER-AM OF THIS UNIVERSE!! And no Peter didn't become Spider-Man because Tony said "Its an canon event brother" Peter decided to embrace that destiny! He decided that he would be Spider-Man and that is awesome! We finally have an universe where Peter wants to be a hero and isn't by chance or destiny! He isn't destined, Spider-man was he's future and he wants it back! And now he will be a Spider-Man who has the heart and soul to embrace being a hero when he has the choice.
About the whole "Anyone can be Spider-man" you are right, but you are also wrong. Anyone can be a Spider-Man but only Peter Parker is THE SPIDER-MAN! But not all Peter can be Spider-Man like any other can be a Spider-Man. When Stan said that anyone can be Spider-Man I interpret as him saying that anyone can use the mask and have the powers but there is only ONE SPIDER-MAN and that man is Peter Parker.
I like Miles as a Spider-Man but I hate when anyone says he's The Spider-Man. I know its a bad example, but only Bruce Wayne can be THE BATMAN even if there can be other people that use the mantle. Spider-Man isn't a title, a rank or a suit, Spider-Man is the legacy off a Man... a Man called PETER BENJAMIN PARKER!
I hate the Across the Spiderverse because they say: "Peter and al he's choices? All of them weren't because he is himself... its because destiny chooses to"
And about the suit, yeah I don't like the nanotech... But I like the idea of an plain suit that actually scares people. Maybe the black suit won't be a simbiote but the first design peter makes for his suit.
I agree on everything but I disagree on the everyone can be spider-man thing, is not about who is better "spider-man" is not like miles is less spider-man than Peter, its not. The one thing that is a fact is that is a legacy that Peter started but not for that people can't be like Peter parker or better (Peter itself is not perfect).
I love across the spiderverse because it shows the clichés of spider-man and saying "you don't really have a choice, it has to happend like that" Peter B parker didn't knew his uncle was going to die or captain stacy, do you believe this Peter would let his MJ die or May die just because is destined to happend? I don't think so
@@richardcastillos2896 I'm not saying that Miles is worst than Peter. In fact people shouldn't even compare the two, I like the idea of miles but i don't like that as time passes he steals more from Peter and gets to anime power levels just to be interesting.
Imagine the idea of a teenager that likes music, art and is good at entertaining people being the soul of the party. That could be Miles and that would be and verry good and interesting character with their own problems and beliefs. I always imagine a cross over where this Miles and the Og Peter go and take out some bad guys and while peter is starting to leave Miles starts to play with a kid on the street and lifting up the mood of everyone. That could show that Peter is an great hero but focus on saving the lives where Miles wants people to live them.
It isn't that difivult to make an awesome Miles Morales that would be alsomest as loved as the original and is own character with his rogues, love interests, suporting cast and job. I love the idea of Miles working on F.E.A.S.T while Peter works on the bugle becuase it shows their mindsets: Miles wants help and uplift everyone while having fun and being an optimistic while Peter is someone that always thinks about the consequences and is always worried about something so he wants people to feel safe when he is near by making a serious situation more light hearted.
Even the suporting cast would be better, imagine Miles and MJ vibing toguether by being a lot similar, Miles could learn what can happen if he is to care free with black Cat, he can learn how to be a good person but also stearn with J.Jonah. Jameson, he could learn to never stay down becuase of fear with Robbie, he can learn how to even if he is the most broken he can still be strong with Aunt May and he could learn how to be a hero and symbol and learn that Power and Responsability are tied together with Peter.
I like the idea and potencial of Miles, but unfortunally he is only an replacement with an love for power creeping.
And th worst part is that when he is adapted he never fights he's own villains! WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?!
So yeah I like Miles as an concept and what he could be and bring to the table... But he is not THE SPIDER-MAN and people will have to accept that. Let him be a Spider-man insted of making him Spider-Man!
@@thiefpersona I agree with you on that they are giving Miles this anime powers like a sword make of electricity and I get why they are doing that, is to let Miles not be equal to Peter (maybe they think more powers mean more interesting character) when is not like that. I feel other problem comes also with the editorial not letting Peter grow if Peter is "always" (because dosen't age) gonna be spider-man he is not letting for example Miles take the legacy in a future and I not saying he is a replacement is not but there is a problem of "we can't handle to spider-man in the same city or place" that's why for example superior spider-man was in san francisco (the Otto clone).
Also the villain thing lets be honest he dosen't really have much Villains he pretty much share the Villains Peter has and to be honest I don't see it in a bad way, if Peter sees the kingpin he is not gonna say "oh that DD villain I wont interfire" and I get that with Miles for example his uncle was a mayor villain in the first movie and the spot lets say is not really a Villain we have seen in any audiovisual si I feel its okay to let Miles have villains of Peter the mistake would be not create new Villains"
@@richardcastillos2896 Actually, I remember seing somewhere that Miles has his own villains. But lets talk about villains: The Original prowler was Obbie Brown (Yes the Spider Punk was the prowler in the 616 continuity) but I don't see a problem With Aron Davis as the Prowler so 0K, The Spot is almost a joke villain so no problem in sharing I say OK, Kingpin is a city scale treat so no problem there OK, The Tikerer is strange because in the original comics he is a old man like vulture and in the games its a girl that has the same age as Miles so I'm not the biggest fan and the character Phin also sucks so NOPE, Then we have Mister Negative that is also a City level treat (at least) so no problem OK, Kraven wants to be the best or die trying but he as connection with Peter so if it was well done it could work but NOPE and then we have Venom that lets not talk about him being harry because I would discuss this for an intire year but lets summarize in this venom is awfull and he's relationship woth miles is even worse. An in the next game is enemies seem to be Doc Oc and The green Goblin... I won't even think and explain this isn't a nope this a HELL NO ARE YOU INSANE?!
And I don't agree with the "he doesn't have villains" argument. If he doesn't have villains... CREATE SOME VILLAINS!! Is it that hard or did people run out of animals?! How about an hedgehog teemed villain called THE SPIKE HEDGE? BOOM DONE, make him an funny story or sad story and give me the next one.
I took 30 seconds to think of an new villain... 30 SECONDS!!
@@thiefpersona I like what you say about the villains but I don't think is that simple the hard part is to make a "memorable villain".
I have to disagree in two villains you say:
1-Its true Kraven its a Villain mainly to spider-man but he dosen't really has a moral compass against just him for example he has fought Elektra and Wolverine for example.
2-The spot is to me a scary villain, he is potrait as comedy because his design is funny but if you think about he could break a lot of necks if he propose that.
About venom well he is not a villain anymore at least in the 616 but in ultimate universe venom killed his mom (something I would have like stay as cano but lets say is not that bad).
The thing with Aaron is that he is not really a villain at least in recent comics because if we are talking about the ultimate Aaron well he was an ass person
I watched it and I disagree with your take on this. With tasm and the while run with Ezekiel, Peter's destiny was set out by other outside forces and people, which peter had no control over. Meanwhile in this run peter became spiderman because he chose to, he wanted to be. Peter could've just ignored everything iron lad told him and refused to be spiderman, but he chose not to. That's why I think the way it's done isn't really an issue because peter had a choice, meanwhile with the other examples he didn't. I also think it adds onto his character because even though he had a great life, he chose to be a hero knowing the risks because he wants to help people. Also the whole thing with atsv, it's heavily implied that miguel is wrong about the whole canon event stuff. If it were really true then Peter's dimension would've been destroyed with the existence of mayday, because if it weren't for miles she would've never been born. Also miles wouldn't have any canon event following Miguel's logic because he was never supposed to become spider man in the first place. The last thing is that miles being spiderman at should've caused his dimension to become destroyed
In response to this video, I have 2 things to say.
1. While I appreciate the Everyman aspect of Spider-Man, I’m not exactly bothered by the whole Destiny element of it. For one thing, Straczynski wasn’t providing a concrete explanation, and was more so proposing an idea more than anything when it came to totems. And sure, it may not be an accident seeing how there are a lot of variations of Peter like Pavitr Prabhakar, or Peter Porker or Petra Parker, the fact is, the Multiverse is infinite. Which means that there are infinite possibilities. Sure people can interpret this as everything is different in every reality, but that’s a limit in its own right. In order to embrace the limitless possibilities, there will be an infinite number of universes where things are different, as well as infinite universes where there are only slight variations, and even infinite universes that are just copies of themselves. Also, Tony calling Spider-Man Peter’s Destiny doesn’t in any way devalue the Everyman aspect of Spider-Man. That’s probably just his interpretation of Spider-Man after time traveling to study the heroes’ origins and how the Maker prevented them from happening.
Also, in the context of nanosuits, I have one thing to say. Who gives a crap? Sure, I’ve seen a lot of people talking about how suit ups were epic in superhero movies but nowadays, they’re ruined by nanotech. But the thing is, superhero suit ups shouldn’t even be that epic to begin with. Sure, it’s probably cool the FIRST time they do it, but then afterwards, it’s basically just akin to putting on work clothes. In the movies, these suit ups are only cool because of the cinematography and background music. If you were within the MCU, these suit-ups would inherently be not that cool because there would be no close-ups or whatever movie magic made them cool, nor would there be music to make it feel epic. I don’t feel epic or larger than life when I put on a business suit, unless I put on some music or imagine myself doing weird quick zooms or whatever to spice up what is otherwise a boring and mundane aspect of life.
As far as the point of The cannon events in Spiderverse being bad, that’s missing the point that in the spiderverse movie Miguel is wrong about the cannon events
I think you are looking at this the wrong way, dude. In Ultimate Invasion's first issue that proceeded this, Peter was going to be bitten until the Maker stopped him. Its not taking away from the idea that anyone can be Spiderman. Its basically more about the person who was going to be bitten given the opportunity he lost back. A destiny. Plus, Hickman is a man of longterm story telling. See his work on Avengers, Fantastic 4, XMen and youll see not everything gets resolved in 1 or 2 issues. You gotta give it time
Dude. I think you’re taking it all at face value.
Yes, I also don’t like that getting bitten by the spider is determined by fate, nor do I like Dan Slott’s Spider-Verse comics.
But, here’s some things to consider:
1. While the first arc of JMS and JRJr’s run introduces Peter to the CONCEPT of a mythical aspect to his origin, Peter outright rejects it by the end.
The rest of the run is very down to earth and urban, with every few arcs dwelling with Ezekiel’s mythical fanaticism and origin.
The big question is whether or not Ezekiel and Peter’s origins are related in any way, but it’s never definitely stated. And Peter never buys into it either way.
JMS was seeking to deconstruct and reconstruct Spider-Man buy creating that questioning.
Ezekiel is led by his belief in the mythical. His faith.
Peter is grounded by his belief in science, and chance.
It’s an analysis of those concepts, but never provides a definitive answer.
2. In the Spider-Verse movies, the messages is EXPLICITLY meant to doubt the whole “only Peter Parker can be Spider-Man”. As for canon events, the story clearly pushes us to question it.
The trilogy is not complete yet, but the Spider-Verse movies clearly work as a meta-narrative for the current state of the character.
Miles as the thesis that “anyone can wear the mask”; Peter B. as a critique of Peter in current comics since One More Day, being reluctant to grow, a bit of a man-child, and yet, unlike the comics, visibly older and divorced, criticizing editors’ inability to LET him grow and age past his persistant status quo; Miguel and the canon-events are a criticism of fans who insist “things have to be a certain way” and fan toxicity.
3. NONE of this contradicts the new Ultimate Spider-Man.
The series is intended to be an on-going, but it’s clear the first big arc is meant to span 12-issues (each issue opening month of the year, showing the passing of time) so we only have 2 issues so far.
It wants to play with concepts by not only making Peter become Spider-Man as an older man, not only having his uncle be alive, not only having him be married, but letting him CHOOSE the power and responsibility that comes with being Spider-Man.
And we’ll see how that’ll affect his life.
It’s worth mentioning that, yes, Spider-Man IS his destiny, but not his fate.
Those are two different concepts.
Fate is something that is always meant to happen.
Destiny is a path you go down by your own action and the unpredictability of life and other people’s actions.
Assuming you’ve read Ultimate Invasion and Ultimate Universe (the comics that preceeded this run) it’s heavily implied that earth-6160 is just a copy of 616 The Maker made in order to try and play God.
He tampered with the very fabric of reality and the history of humanity.
Peter’s choices to go to the science fair, arrive at the time he did, go to that particular exhibition, and stand where he stood was his destiny. It’s the choices he made. The same goes for whatever set of choices led to the spider standing where it was and getting irradiated.
This Peter seems to be meant to reflect the insecurities and lack of sense of direction in many aging millenials and gen Zers. That he missed out on something big. On something that could’ve helped or benefited others.
So, he jumps at the opportunity to do so when given it.
A more cynical reading of that would be that Peter did it out of a selfish need to want to be “special”.
A more optimistic one would be that this Peter is assuming a Superman-like role. Helping others because he can, not due to some sense of guilt.
I lean towards the latter, but we’ll still have to see.
As for the PICOTECH suit, it’s clearly meant to be a spin of the symbiote, and will probably be destroyed sometime soon.
All covers show that very classic-looking suit (even with the original Ditko/Romita emblem) that is probably inspired by the drawing May gives him at the end of issue #2.
The alternative covers COULD be different outfits he tests out, but I wouldn’t bet on it. I think it’s more that his black suit serves as a blank canvas and he’s still figuring out what kind of Spider-Man he is.
But yeah, Ultimate Spider-Man does NOT go against the character. It forces us to see him through a different lens and consider different aspects and characterizations.
Nobody complained when Noir killed Vulture and Kraven, or got bitten by cursed African spiders and given powers by the spider-God.
This is a more mature, family-man, loving Peter who’s aging and wanting to make a difference, help others, due to his sense of responsibility.
His actions led him down a path where he would’ve been bitten by the Spider had The Maker not intervened.
It’s a Spider-Man who’s reclaiming his destiny back, not fate. A Spider-Man who CHOSE to be a hero because it’s what’s right, and not due to guilt.
And that’s a new take I can get behind.
With how many reboots Spider-Man got I'd expect this to be the last fanbase that wants the character to be a certain way. Are they making a strawman of fans or are you just interpreting your own hangups into the movie?
@@АлексейМомот-щ7о What I’m SAYING is, this is a character that is a cultural icon, and has been reinterpreted hundreds of times.
The slight change in perspective to that backstory doesn’t alter his core, it’s just a clever twist from the concept of “having great power thrust upon you, and maybe not being ready for it”.
But of CHOOSING said power, BECAUSE of the desire for said responsibility, the desire to do better.
It’s just as valid.
An example is the MCU version of the character. I don’t care for it, but it doesn’t make it any less valid.
People being spiteful about a different version of the character doesn’t do EXACTLY just as another one is how “Spider-Man: Lotus” ended up happening. And we all know how that went.
It’s not taking anything from the character. It’s just providing a twist on an old classic.
It just so happens that people are ENJOYING said twist and direction.
@@АлексейМомот-щ7о Oh, shit.
I think I just understood what you were trying to say.
Sorry, thought you were making argument FOR it 😅
He wasn’t told it was his destiny. He was told he was robbed of another life. Also I don’t quite think you understand across the spider-verse’s message man.
There was a series of old What IF? stories where other characters like Flash Thompson, Betty Brant and John Jameson got bitten by the Spider becoming Spider Powered Super heroes. As is typical of What If? stories they ended up doing a worse job than Peter.
I love the joke that in this universe Miguel O'Hara was on break when The Maker stopped Peter from being bitten.
Haha yeah I love that
@@LewisFilmsProductionscould you make a video on how Spider-Man’s anger issues have basically been erased? cause like before it used to be a part of his personality (via the og ultimate comics) but now it’s seemingly gone
@@_bent_1Well, to begin with we haven't seen enough of him to know if those are there, second, this is a completely different new version of the character that isn't based on the original Ultimate Spidey
@@JLD22591 im not talkin about that. im just telling him to make a video on how 616 Spidey’s anger issues are seemingly gone now. sorry dude, shouldve specified
This version of Peter Parker is the best by far. My concern is mainly how MJ will react to learning Peter's that mysterious man in the black nano suit.
Let Hickman cook
I really hate canon events
Why do you want an alternative universe Spider-Man to have the exact same story as 616 Spidey? It's different on purpose. The Maker changed history by taking the spider away and Tony gave it back to him.
I know they called it picotech, but I think his suit actually has something to do with the symbiote. There are too many similarities to ignore.
Dude let Peter be happy
Spidey’s not a disease that needs a cure and he’s more than a random bug bite. Spider-Man is who I am, my destiny. Destiny by choice, not by being told
What's funny is that this comic run follows that sentiment because peter was the one who chooses his destiny. He chose to be spiderman when ge didn't have to. I'm pretty sure iron lad even told him he could forget everything he told peter and continue on with his life
you can read 616 for that.
Oh brother 😭 we FINALLY get a good Spider-Man comic and you say it’s overrated. This is why they hate us Spider-Man fans bc we could never be pleased 😭
Spider-Man being anyone is something that was definitely relevant when the comic was first started but after decades of history, Peter Parker IS Spider-Man. No matter who comes after, be it Miles Morales or Ben Reilly, they’ll never be Peter Parker. It is the character of Peter that makes it feel like anyone could be under the suit. But only Peter could be Spider-Man.
I absolutely agree with you on canon events though. I didn’t like it that much either, for the same reasons.
"If this be my destiny" - Stan Lee
He has a black nanotech suit from stark from the future. And issue 2 showed how he was gonna change the black suit to his iconic red and blue suit. So i think he will go to spandex and kevlar in the 3rd or 4th issue.
The main difference when it comes to the whole destiny subject is that peter was actually supposed to be bit by the spider and was going to be until the maker removed it right before it bit Peter's hand. If Flash was standing where peter was and the spider was about to bite his hand but the maker removed it, then Flash would have been in Peter's shoes, which in turn reinforces the Everyman aspect. Like anyone could have been standing where peter was when the maker removed the spider, but it was peter, and the maker prevented him from being bitten, so he was robbed of his "destiny," so to speak.
Ahh to be fair that’s a very valid point
@@LewisFilmsProductions thank you! Love your channel!
Just found this video I’m sure there comment section will be very wholesome and supportive of your opinions!!
Spider-Man fans when you give them what they want:
I don’t mind the whole Peter is destined to be Spider-Man. I kind of like it.
Me when I’m out of ideas for content
I got plenty of ideas dont worry
@@LewisFilmsProductions put those out instead then this is not it.
You have a point about the concept of whether it was destiny or fate that Peter would get bit by the spider. Also, I think the Prototype suit that Peter wears is a reference to Ultimate Venom, not Nanotech.
It was mentioned in the first issue that it’s a picotech suit, which is even more evolved than a nanotech suit. Meh, doesn’t matter where the suit comes from, I just find this series a breath of fresh air after such staleness on ASM (writing-wise…still loving JRJR on art)
But it literally IS his fate to become spider-man that’s why maker prevented it.
It's just a different take, a slight creative liberty. I think that's the beauty of storytelling that not every iteration of a character has to follow the exact mold. I get what you're saying about chance vs destiny but it's the way Hickman chose to do it. Personally, I think it's a nice change of pace. There have been times in the comics where Peter chose to give up being Spider-Man and there's been times in the films and TV series where he's contemplated why he was bitten and how he didn't ask to be bitten and how his life will never really be the same because of it. So, I really like that Hickman's Peter willingly chose to be Spider-Man and accept the hardship even though he has a legit happy life.
Very true. You make a good point and that’s why this is a very fine line. I believe it’s one of the core elements of the character that you can’t change but some people will disagree. Either way, the series is good all else, hopefully Hickman cooks in the next few issues
The "it's your destiny" thing pretty much was in man of steel where jor el choose his son to be a hero of earth when he should've made that choice himself and now that type of plot point is used for spider man when that happened to him before in the comics than just what spider verse canon events are really saying I get it it takes away the core aspect of what makes spider man who is and for me it is never right for that to be the case for him at all no someone could've been bitten by a spider by chance than him like uncle ben, aunt may, Gwen, MJ, Felicia, JJJ, Flash, Miles etc. Pretty much though so it doesn't really work for Spider man that his "canon events" is what was to shaped him as a hero he'd faced in his life that's just off to the character I can tell.
how are you able to call it overrated when there are only 3 issues out bro
I really like the "destiny" aspect of it, but I understand and see your points. I think there's a range. ASM 2 is the worst case scenario, ATSV is the best case, and this falls somewhere in the middle.
I always told myself the universes where Peter and people close to him are Spider-Man come together a lot because it’s easier to travel to universes similar to yours. That obviously the multiverse has infinite Spider-People that aren’t Peter and don’t even know who Peter is.
Somewhere in the multiverse there’s a SpiderVerse event full of Gabriella Stacies, daughters of Gwen Stacy and Harry Osborn in worlds where those two never met Peter, questioning if there’s a world where Spider-Woman isn’t just her.
I don’t see this as a pre-destined thing, though. Now yes, Iron Lad says that Peter was supposed to be Spider-Man. But that’s more just how his timeline was supposed to go, from someone in the future. He isn’t a chosen one, but in the flow of time he was supposed to get bitten by the spider if someone hadn’t traveled through time and changed that from happening. I don’t think that changes the relatability of his character
If I find a 5 dollar bill on the ground, and a time traveller steals that 5 dollar bill before I grab it, I just don’t get it. That doesn’t mean someone else COULDN’T have grabbed it. It just means they didn’t and I was the one who got the five dollars. The only thing that I don’t feel right about is that Tony gave Peter a choice, whereas normally he doesn’t get a choice. If Tony just dropped the Spider at the daily bugle when Peter was working, it’d be totally fine. I have no problem with Peter just getting it later in life.
His daughter see the steath suit as scary those he throws it away and make a normal red and blue not nanotech and he will get the normal suit in issue 3
To be honest I think that's kind of the point, issue 1 is about him learning why he WANTS to be spiderman, but he doesn't know why it MEANS to be spiderman, so I'd say we should just give him a bit more time to cook, especially when he doesn't even have his iconic costume yet
The Canon Events say that the main story beats with Spider-Man are destined to happen but (as we are told very clearly) they're wrong because Miles became Spider-Man despite that fact that he was apparently never supposed to be Spider-Man. It proves that the canon is bullshit and Miguel is wrong
What u said makes no sence cuse u could of also been the flash or you could of been daredevil a lot of hero’s were made from accidents
This Spider-Man wasn’t tho
The Canon events for The movie is orchastrated by Miguel. It seems that Miles could be the Spider-man to reveal Miguel's play to the Spider society and break the Canon rule. You said it yourself, the movie if filled with mostly Peter Parker from across the multiverse and Miles was an accident. This is why i think Miguel is ploting something bigger and Miles is an anomoly to his plans, not the web of life. Which is why Miguel wants Miles to stay out of the Spider society and the multiverse as a whole.
Damn,huge chunk of the comments do not agree with the OP
And are absolutely polite and fully explain there reason
Imma stick around here 😊
You urged everyone in the comments to watch the whole video but you never raised any point in the video that irrifuted what people criticised you for. You may not like it but all signs point to it being Peters destiny to br Spider-man no matter what run or medium that everyman stuff is just nice words said by fans. At the end of the day Peter is Spider-man.
It’s bold or you to assume that a subjective viewpoint can’t be my rebuttal as to why I don’t like it
@@LewisFilmsProductions You said, "I urge you to watch the whole video before assuming/commenting". That would leave me to believe you had some kind of evidence or gotcha moment but you just stated your opinion which is fine, but you are replying to people in a short manner when they just stated their opinion as well.
@@NeedAVacay-y5uhe left that comment cause a lot of people were assuming he hates the run when he states a lot of the time that he likes the story just has some issues with it, that comment wasn’t for the people who criticized
What I feel personally about this versionnof Ultimate Spiderman is like grown-ups bored with lives and decided to play dress up
I like it.
I actually agree with your points here but I think it still worked really well for the story of Ultimate Spider-Man and I loved that scene even though I was thinking the same thing that it was a bit odd that it was his destiny
While I don't agree with everything you said, i respect you putting your opinion up. It's better to be honest on it than bandwagon with what everyone else is saying. Stay true to it man 😁
Cheers Ryan, appreciate it brother 💪
I understand you, really, but.
We can all be a Spider-Man
but only PETER PARKER can be THE Spider-Man
That's why i'm in love with this version
Because he choose that
Omg YES, I was squirming in my seat thinking you'd not mention the frickin nanotech. I HATE the obsession with super-futuristic tech these days. Just give my men cloth costumes it only makes them look MORE badass cause they don't need the tech 😭
Plus costumes are hard as balls to make and repair so it's even more impressive
I think the nanotech thing in the run is actually the Symbiote, but it's manmade like 1610
Yea I’m going say most of this was bad take, that u only looked at the surface level of that story with Ezekiel since he only pose a question to Peter and having him look at his powers in a different view point with Peter later not caring how he came to be and used that revelation to defeat Morlun bc ultimately whether it was by accident, or by fate, it all led to him, the one who defines what Spider-Man should be
Also saying by saying it was his destiny to be Spider-Man ruins his every man look by making him special, Peter was already special before the spider bit him and it was for his love of science that stood him out from the rest of his classmates that would bully him, it’s what helped him defeat his early enemies and it comes back into play with that story with Ezekiel and Morlun and let’s him relate to the students when he becomes a science teacher at Midtown High
click bait is cringe and it's okay to be wrong
The picotech suit of Peter os spectacular
All the issue you have with this book could easily be fixed if you know… you just waited for more issues to come out? Why do you think Hickman would just write as he gets a perfect life as Spider-Man with no consequences? Like there’s clearly gonna be more written. Also the whole point of this is he chooses to become Spider-Man because a part of his life was stolen from him and he’s bored I don’t think they’re gonna be painting this as a good thing.
the video was great but this guy doesn't know what overrated means
3:46 at that time it wasn't 8 billion people
@1:29 But you could be Batman Beyond. *nudge, nudge*
Right, so I see your point in issue 1 Peter was told by Tony to become Spider-Man. Maybe the writers should have given him more time to develop his decision before taken up the mental. Also I agree the nanotech is a bit much. As for uncle Ben, I do like to see more of him. I like Shockers design as well and as for how Peter got his powers in the ASM 2. That would make a good explanation of how Peter survive the spiders bite.
yeah the comic aint overrated just because Peter was destined to be bitten by the spider. its the ultimate universe, its an offshoot of the main marvel universe
I think in general Spider-Man has become too cosmic level over the years and the character gets lost in it all.
Ya I really don’t like the “chosen one” trope. Nor do I like there being a Spider-Man is basically a job title that so many different characters can have. I much before just a “random guy” gaining some abilities and helping out his neighborhood
Thanks for articulating this. Been dealing with a lot of so-called fans telling me Peter Parker Spider-Man's origin doesn't matter, that him being stripped of his ingenuity and intellect doesn't matter, that becoming Spider-Man out of boredom and obedience to some interdimensional authority is the most authentic Spider-Man they have ever seen. I figure they like the powers, the suit, the visual appeal of rogues galleries and specific love interests, with no care about the quality of story that holds all that together. As I have said before, simply aging Peter up and adding children and MJ as his wife will not automatically produce meaningful stories. Those are nice elements. But the how and the why matter.
Having watched the video, I gotta say I disagree. I will say I agree that this isn't how *I* envision Spider-Man, but here's the thing: my idea of who Spider-Man is already exists.
I already have *my* Spider-Man in the Raimi Trilogy. They came and went, and no matter what comes out, they still exist. I'm not angry about alternate takes on Spider-Man, because even if it doesn't fit how *I* see the character, my favorite Spider-Man is right over there.
I like seeing alternate takes on Peter Parker. The whole destiny thing doesn't fit in with *my* ideal Spider-Man, but it's a concept that can be taken in kany unique and interesting directions if done right.
Even nanotech, something I used to hate in the MCU, I've come to appreciate. We're so used to seeing Spider-Man with very few gadgets beyond his web-shooters, spider-tracers, etc. The idea of making Spider-Man more sci-fi focused is something that can be made very interesting if done right.
Bottom line: I don't think there's anything wrong with alternate takes on Spider-Man. I like seeing unique takes on the character. I like seeing new artistic visions on Spider-Man. Even if they don't fit how *I* see the character, my ideal version of Spider-Man already exists.
Either way, I respect your opinion, and I can see where you're coming from, because I used to he very specific about how Spidey is portrayed, too. But everyone sees Spider-Man differently, and I've grown to like seeing people present their own unique takes on the character.
I do see where you’re coming from. I guess I’ve just accepted that this isn’t gonna be what I’m used to, which before was the underlying reason as to why it felt off to me.
@@LewisFilmsProductions That's totally fair, and I respect your opinion either way. There's nothing wrong with disliking this version of Spider-Man.
@@LewisFilmsProductions Or any version of Spider-Man, for that matter
I think youa re jumping the gun here. Im honestly hopingbim wrong here, but i think this Peter will learn that lesson the hard way and my current theory is that somehow Jonah is going to be killed bc of Spider-Man.
I get what you are saying but nah. they are slowly cooking up a good story from what has been shown so far. like my dude.... we are only 2 issues in. let them cook and have a bit of patience before rushing to do a vid to be a contrarian.
Hopefully Hickman cooks
its very solid im just not much of a fan of all the changes they made
How?
Lol it's still building up man. But well that's your opinion. Not all can please anyone
You own funko pops.
I do
Bruh ur point abt across the spiderverse makes no sense. If anything spider verse actually supports your argument. The whole point of across the spiderverse was literally that "canon events" are stupid. And the whole spiderverse franchise supports your stance that anyone can be spiderman. So it's confusing to me how you see that as a negative when it literally supports your stance
But it’s the fact that they exist as an actually entity apart of real canon.
Tripping
I think the whole destiny angle with Spider-Man is BS.
Oh I'm not I never cared for the nano suit.
As to destiny theme you are not wrong
Spider-Man is for loser and he is a overrated superhero
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U just hate ongoing spidey comics. I hate spider man fans like u. Dan slotts run was amazing and so is this series. Hickman is an incredible writer.
Never said I didn’t like this comic. I’m also excited for Greg Wiesmans series, and I’m one of the only few to enjoy a majority of Dan Slotts stories 😂
Don't think you have actually read the comics then, bro probably likes the zeb Wells's run
You’d be hugely mistaken.