Del, You can use any absorbent medium as a filler. Horses for courses. Iron filings added to the mix can give the impression that no filler has been used on metal. Filler sticks best to it's self so stressing the metal before filling; beating, drilling holes etc will give it a mechanical grip on the metal. But, Isopon and others are not as flexible as the metal they are used on, extremes of heat and cold or a good solid whack will make it fall off without a mechanical key. Generally. The deeper the filler the less adhesion and flexibility it has. Also, recycling the dust residue from sanding filler introduces other agents into the filler that maybe undesirable such as the abrasive material from sand paper or concrete dust from the floor, hair, sweat, snot, or even dead skin cells!!!
Dead skin cells??? Now I know there is a little blood, sweat and tears in my bike now, a real piece of me in the build! Not sure sure about the snot though, as I was wearing a mask lol.... Seriously, thank you for the insight mate, it's always good to learn these things to help get the best results -cheers !
You can buy "powders" (fillers) including talc from fibreglass suppliers, you have to mix the resin and hardener thoroughly "FIRST" before adding your "fillers" including talc. ps "microballoons" from fibreglass suppliers would provide some flexibility and would be a lot less brittle HTH
Nice fun video bruv. What a great idea for a group of vids. "Del's myths busted". Let's see some more of them. A great bit of fun for Sunday mornings. Ride safe both of you, the sun is out and there are a lot of people on the road with LEGOLAND drivers license. Take care peeps.
Hi Ray, thanks buddy, good feedback, really appreciate that, we'll see if we can find a few more urban myths to try out - always good for a giggle aye ! Hope Mrs Tokens is feeling better... D&Px
Resin and Q-Cells is easier to sand, but your right we only ever use it on a plug. If its staying in the end product vinylester resin and fumed silica is much better but a bitch to sand after 24hrs. I guess if you have time to find any of that stuff you have time to get body filler 😁
haha exactly that buddy, not much point in working too hard at it - the idea is just reaching for something close to hand in an emergency, am sure it's far easier to just use filler !
Talc is really good for thickening 2 part epoxy.... your problems could be related to additaves in the talc ( perfume) but also because the talc is such a fine powder that it does not bond.
Don't listen to him Pen, you don't need filler . . . This has got me thinking about all sorts of oddball mediums to mix in - sharp sand for stair treads, sweepings from a hair dressers to reinforce something intricate & strange - or even Presidential . . . Good series Del, looking forward to the discovery of 'Delmacrete'! : ) x
Here's a good one... iron filings and superglue if you run out of files, or 40 grit sandpaper, or even grinding discs for that matter, the stuff is lethal till it goes rusty lol !
OK, well Harley generally recommends 20W/50 multigrade, again didn't say which model it is, but if you want the best, then Screamin' Eagle Syn3 as sold by your Harley dealer, it exceeds the specification of all of their recommended oils for all applications, inc. transmission and primary, so you can use it in all three holes... hope that helps you, good luck with it mate, Del
Of course I remember you Ian, how could I forget! It's obviously a Harley as it's in your username, and people change their bikes, so was just being sure which one you had... take it easy mate, have a good week!
Good morning D and P, that was a fun video. Not ideal for application to a bike but I bet it smelt pretty nice. Hope you’re enjoying the sunshine, speak soon x
Ayup Dai, wonderful to hear from you - and damn, yes we did! We closed the computer down today and went for a ride, 13hrs, 3 stops, tea cake and bacon rolls, and 180 miles covered... good to be back in the swing of it ! Hope you're all well, will catch up soon , D&Px
Hi Al, good to hear from you...! Sorry didn't reply sooner, looking forward to catching up with you between 14-17th, will make a plan to meet you both, D&Px
Hi bristol, yeah I think I heard that one lol - something about the advent of a sunny day !! Old ones are the best aye?! Good to hear from you buddy, D&Px
When I used to make model airplanes we used to use Talcum powder and Dope ( dope is used on tissue to shrink it) It made a very good wood filler and very smooth when sanded.
Yep that didn't work :) I should have given you a better explanation of how to mix it. Pour the resin out first and then add the talc little by little mixing all the time until you can hold it vertically and it doesn't run. It should NOT look like body filler at all it should still be opaque. Basically use the minimum amount of talc possible in any situation ie more talc for verticals less for horizontals.The less talc you use the finer it will sand and the greater the adhesion.
AHA! I knew it was the skill of the operator at fault...and not the product ! But I was rather shocked how brittle it was, I guess with far less talc and resin, then the plastic =nature of the resin would take over and give the flexibility back... thanks for sharing buddy, really appreciated that, it was great to have some fun with silly things and check out an urban myth... maybe I should research them more as these things usually work if they've managed to circulate to the extent that this trick has !
It takes a little practice but does give brilliant results, I wouldn't use it on the fighter tail far too much mixing involved but for tank dents and the like theres nothing better.
When I served as an apprentice many years ago we used to mix .... water, a grainy substance called sugar a whiteish liquid called milk and sometimes a small bag containing something called tea ??? That’s a old wives tale that’s still popular now I believe it always made grumpy mechanics smile so I’m thinking some concoctions do really work!!! Lol Great video !! Have a great day!!
Classic quote from Minder. Arnie: "I worked late, and I ran out of filler, and I gave you a bell and you said use a couple of handfuls of mud..." Arthur; "I was speaking metaphorically..." Theoretically, almost anything can be used as a filler. It's whether it stays put and flexes. I knew a guy who bodged a filler job on a car door. Lovely paint job, slammed the door closed and it all fell out...
Hi Del & P, myth busted! As far as using it where vibration would be present, I have use portage oats mixed with filer to make good a small section of wall that had that nobbly wallpaper though! Blended in nicely, Most things will act as a binding agent, but thanks to you folks will have a think about suitability for purpose before repairing a tank ding with horse hair mixed in the filer! Good video Kind regards Warren
Moonfleet41 Hi Del, I will only have a slice of it's real dairy cream! Not too fussed if it's strawberry or raspberry jam though! Much love and respect And some jolly japes!
Del, You can use any absorbent medium as a filler. Horses for courses. Iron filings added to the mix can give the impression that no filler has been used on metal. Filler sticks best to it's self so stressing the metal before filling; beating, drilling holes etc will give it a mechanical grip on the metal. But, Isopon and others are not as flexible as the metal they are used on, extremes of heat and cold or a good solid whack will make it fall off without a mechanical key. Generally. The deeper the filler the less adhesion and flexibility it has. Also, recycling the dust residue from sanding filler introduces other agents into the filler that maybe undesirable such as the abrasive material from sand paper or concrete dust from the floor, hair, sweat, snot, or even dead skin cells!!!
Dead skin cells??? Now I know there is a little blood, sweat and tears in my bike now, a real piece of me in the build! Not sure sure about the snot though, as I was wearing a mask lol.... Seriously, thank you for the insight mate, it's always good to learn these things to help get the best results -cheers !
Love it, great work. Love your garage, very smart
You can buy "powders" (fillers) including talc from fibreglass suppliers, you have to mix the resin and hardener thoroughly "FIRST" before adding your "fillers" including talc.
ps "microballoons" from fibreglass suppliers would provide some flexibility and would be a lot less brittle
HTH
I guess I got the procedure wrong, but in the end, I think I'll just buy some more body filler lol !
You my man are a wealth of knowledge, I love bingging on these vids can't get enough of it, awesome work
Many thanks... much appreciated...!
Amazing the different uses for talc. Nice little experiment
Thanks Andy, always good to hear from you Sir...!
from talk powder can make a gap filler , not body filler. "Someone heard that the bell rings but did not know in which church".
What about the old filler dust, did that stick to the metal? If not then it’s a problem with the resin it’s self.
Nice fun video bruv. What a great idea for a group of vids. "Del's myths busted". Let's see some more of them. A great bit of fun for Sunday mornings. Ride safe both of you, the sun is out and there are a lot of people on the road with LEGOLAND drivers license. Take care peeps.
Hi Ray, thanks buddy, good feedback, really appreciate that, we'll see if we can find a few more urban myths to try out - always good for a giggle aye ! Hope Mrs Tokens is feeling better... D&Px
Moonfleet41 well on the mend. Thanks for the well wishes guys
Hilariously facinating. Loving the hammer draw..
Interesting experiment with the talc,thankyou
Resin and Q-Cells is easier to sand, but your right we only ever use it on a plug.
If its staying in the end product vinylester resin and fumed silica is much better but a bitch to sand after 24hrs.
I guess if you have time to find any of that stuff you have time to get body filler 😁
haha exactly that buddy, not much point in working too hard at it - the idea is just reaching for something close to hand in an emergency, am sure it's far easier to just use filler !
Not disappointed here, Del. Lots of recent info about talcum powder as a carcinogen for females in particular.
Yeah I read that too when looking in to it, parbens?? apparently... have a great week buddy !
Moonfleet41 yessir, that’s the bugger. Sunny week ahead here. Yahoooooo!
Talc is really good for thickening 2 part epoxy.... your problems could be related to additaves in the talc ( perfume) but also because the talc is such a fine powder that it does not bond.
You may well be right there buddy... it just came out too brittle foe vehicle use !
You can use talc plus a couple of other things as a refractory/forge lining..
Don't listen to him Pen, you don't need filler . . .
This has got me thinking about all sorts of oddball mediums to mix in - sharp sand for stair treads, sweepings from a hair dressers to reinforce something intricate & strange - or even Presidential . . . Good series Del, looking forward to the discovery of 'Delmacrete'! : ) x
Here's a good one... iron filings and superglue if you run out of files, or 40 grit sandpaper, or even grinding discs for that matter, the stuff is lethal till it goes rusty lol !
Next the baking powder and superglue mix or the soap as petrol resistant lube.
Hi Delboy, Informative, started typing this when you posted it but having trouble with movement having massaged resin into armpits.
Awesome, comment of the day there lol ! That's proper funny...
Hi Del. What oil would you suggest for oil change, main.
Presumably by "Main" i assume you mean engine oil, and on what Harley mate?..
Moonfleet41 yes sorry mate
OK, well Harley generally recommends 20W/50 multigrade, again didn't say which model it is, but if you want the best, then Screamin' Eagle Syn3 as sold by your Harley dealer, it exceeds the specification of all of their recommended oils for all applications, inc. transmission and primary, so you can use it in all three holes... hope that helps you, good luck with it mate, Del
Moonfleet41 again sorry Del I forget you don't remember me. It's the iron 883. Thanks for the info.
Of course I remember you Ian, how could I forget! It's obviously a Harley as it's in your username, and people change their bikes, so was just being sure which one you had... take it easy mate, have a good week!
great vid.
Good morning D and P, that was a fun video. Not ideal for application to a bike but I bet it smelt pretty nice. Hope you’re enjoying the sunshine, speak soon x
Ayup Dai, wonderful to hear from you - and damn, yes we did! We closed the computer down today and went for a ride, 13hrs, 3 stops, tea cake and bacon rolls, and 180 miles covered... good to be back in the swing of it ! Hope you're all well, will catch up soon , D&Px
Well its good fun to try
Just be careful not to get it on your Johnson and Johnson !!
☮❤
I won't make any jokes about poly-filler in connection with make up as will be getting a boot in the Johnson's from the domestic director !
Nice one D & P, And here was me about to rob all the babys talc!! Hah. Interesting experiment alright. Awrabest to you both from me & the clan. 😉❤👍
Hi Al, good to hear from you...! Sorry didn't reply sooner, looking forward to catching up with you between 14-17th, will make a plan to meet you both, D&Px
Push back those frontiers of knowledge :-)
There was a glazier tried useing stork instead of putty and all his windows fell out...LOL..
there's a joke there somewhere......
Hi bristol, yeah I think I heard that one lol - something about the advent of a sunny day !! Old ones are the best aye?! Good to hear from you buddy, D&Px
Great experiment Del, Penny and you have a great Sunday. Cheers
Thanks buddy, good to hear from you !
Gotta try these things 👍
When I used to make model airplanes we used to use Talcum powder and Dope ( dope is used on tissue to shrink it) It made a very good wood filler and very smooth when sanded.
Yep that didn't work :) I should have given you a better explanation of how to mix it. Pour the resin out first and then add the talc little by little mixing all the time until you can hold it vertically and it doesn't run. It should NOT look like body filler at all it should still be opaque. Basically use the minimum amount of talc possible in any situation ie more talc for verticals less for horizontals.The less talc you use the finer it will sand and the greater the adhesion.
AHA! I knew it was the skill of the operator at fault...and not the product ! But I was rather shocked how brittle it was, I guess with far less talc and resin, then the plastic =nature of the resin would take over and give the flexibility back... thanks for sharing buddy, really appreciated that, it was great to have some fun with silly things and check out an urban myth... maybe I should research them more as these things usually work if they've managed to circulate to the extent that this trick has !
It takes a little practice but does give brilliant results, I wouldn't use it on the fighter tail far too much mixing involved but for tank dents and the like theres nothing better.
When I served as an apprentice many years ago we used to mix .... water, a grainy substance called sugar a whiteish liquid called milk and sometimes a small bag containing something called tea ??? That’s a old wives tale that’s still popular now I believe it always made grumpy mechanics smile so I’m thinking some concoctions do really work!!! Lol Great video !! Have a great day!!
A noble infusion indeed Sir... I think it helped us win the war too according to my Nana lol !
Hi delboy and penny had you guys rock
Use a siv to get it fine.
Cool vid 👍
(P) Nice try but no cigar. Well done both of you. Enjoy today’s sun 😀
Thanks mate, hope you did too - catcha soon, maybe Sunday??
I'd like to see one on the Seafoam effectiveness on clogged carbs. I've seen a lot of videos on it.
Disappointing result, could of done some body work with the talcum powder and it would of smelt like ya Gran too, 😂😂
That's not such an exciting prospect !... lavender body filler... hmmm!
Bet it smells nice tho 😂
nice experiment... do u want license plate number? from malaysia?
Moonfleet41 alright sir... ill email u later.... ASAP!
0:55 3650?
Classic quote from Minder. Arnie: "I worked late, and I ran out of filler, and I gave you a bell and you said use a couple of handfuls of mud..." Arthur; "I was speaking metaphorically..." Theoretically, almost anything can be used as a filler. It's whether it stays put and flexes. I knew a guy who bodged a filler job on a car door. Lovely paint job, slammed the door closed and it all fell out...
Hi Del & P, myth busted!
As far as using it where vibration would be present,
I have use portage oats mixed with filer to make good a small section of wall that had that nobbly wallpaper though!
Blended in nicely,
Most things will act as a binding agent, but thanks to you folks will have a think about suitability for purpose before repairing a tank ding with horse hair mixed in the filer!
Good video
Kind regards Warren
Warren Gray - hey Warren, great story, loved it, about the porridge, tune in next week as we test wattle and daub to make Victoria Sponge lol
baccas66 - that's class, brings back memories of the sketches Harry Enfield did of Lee and Lance!
Moonfleet41 Hi Del, I will only have a slice of it's real dairy cream! Not too fussed if it's strawberry or raspberry jam though!
Much love and respect
And some jolly japes!