Down with PVC! I had stored my collection in PVC pages for several years and I eventually had to acetone clean and remount the whole dang thing due to the chlorine/HCl attack. Took me a year and a half. I will fight to the death on the hill of anti-PVC.
Those are much better than the vinyl flips, but over decades they degrade and cause serious damage to coins (very slow process though). Most of the problems for short term storage from them are the staples, which can be avoided if you use self sealable ones
FYI. Paper can have acid in them as part of the production. That is causing the toning and can cause irreversible damage. If you want to use envelopes try to find acid free.
@@bignubnumismatics Could you recommend a brand of coin envalops??? I also wanted to ask you if some cardboard 2x2s are good for log term storage and which brand you would recommend.
@@vbook307 If you are going to use cardboard flips, I would replace them every 5 years. They are better than the plastic flips, but the cardboard tends to degrade after a while. Any brand is decent, but I recommend using self-sealing ones so there is no chance for staple mishaps.
Question- everyone always says album slides cause friction and damage coin. I have no evidence to the contrary so can’t refute that. However, nobody ever says anything about coins in a 2x2 plastic flip and that causing scratches. Even though A) it’s the same or similar plastic (let’s assume the PCGS submission kind) B) the coin is in contact with the plastic 100% of the time and certainly moving around as boxes are shifted. Why is that? Is it because everyone is focused on the PVC damage aspect and the friction discussion get overshadowed?
Most of the time the flips are for temporary use only. The only damage from the albums comes as the slides are, well, sliding. I feel the flips are just as damaging if you are moving it constantly. The best ones are pretty flexible and I haven’t had any problems personally, although I do worry when I’m pulling out the coins out or putting them in.
I was just talking about this on Facebook. I can't figure out the best way to keep my whole bu Washington quarters set. To hand to the kids and not have to worry.
Long term I would recommend a brand new album, Dansco or Wayte Raymond. If you want to really keep them nice and make them easier to sell or keep track of the value in the future, you may want to consider sending them in for Bulk grading. That costs $7 a coin.
I store my own 2€ commemoratives and silver coins in 2x2 mylar and cardboard flips with relevant information written down. I prefer to use eight staples for the more valuable coins to minimize air exposure. The masses of old circulation coins still found in the house I've wrapped in either pockets or tubes of simple 80g/m2 copy paper that adheres to ISO 9706 standards. If there are more than 10 of a kind (or if the stack is higher than a single coin of the same kind), I roll them in tubes; if less, I fold the paper into pockets. A coin has to be a rarity (silver, commemorative or antique) to get flipped. There was a plastic bank pouch of old coins that'd gotten slimy, so I immediately placed those in flips and stuck them in a spare flip holder page before further damage could result. One disaster I'd found was a decades old (unused) tissue paper wad that contained wartime iron pennies that've subsequently rusted to oblivion. Not much can be done to salvage those, so I placed them in a dime bag. Oddly, that was the only bunch of iron or copper coins that'd degraded.
Good video, but suggest you add a bit more info to your explanations. For instance, you say that soft plastic 'PVC material" flip cases should not be used because they "will ruin the coins." It would help if you explain what you mean by "ruin." For instance, mentioning that the PVC material interacts with the coins surface metal over time, as the soft plastic itself breaks down, releasing hydrogen chloride gas (an acid) that then damages the surface of the coin creating microscopic pitting, discoloration, thus causing "environmental damage" and then destroying the numismatic value of the coin. PCGS and NGC will not grade coins so damaged. The chemical reaction is most aggressive on copper, silver, and clad coins. On copper the discoloration is very bright green. On silver, it's a milky tone turning to green. And on clad coins, it oxidizes them and turns them into a white powder. That acid damage is permanent. It cannot be cleaned without then altering the coin's patina and again, losing much or all of the numismatic value. --- Also, discuss the issue of where (in the house) to best store coins. Do not store coins in the attic or basement, for instance, where the temps cannot be controlled. And review your collection every two months at minimum, (and use white, cotton gloves ideally, when handling raw coins), so you don't add oils and dirt (from your fingers, however clean) to the coin. That debris over time will tone and damage the coin. And could also result in the beginning of damage. I also try to identify the best of what I have and send that off (as income provides) to have them graded and encapsulated by PCGS or NGC. That additional layer of protection, especially for more valuable coins, is a must. Best of luck. Good video.
Great Information! It is sad to think about how many coins have been ruined over the years by well meaning, but improper storage. Thanks
Down with PVC! I had stored my collection in PVC pages for several years and I eventually had to acetone clean and remount the whole dang thing due to the chlorine/HCl attack. Took me a year and a half. I will fight to the death on the hill of anti-PVC.
As will I! That’s really unfortunate. At least in most cases you can use Acetone to remove PVC, it’s the ones you can’t use that hurt.
What about the containers from the thumbnail (cardboard with plastic see through
Those are much better than the vinyl flips, but over decades they degrade and cause serious damage to coins (very slow process though). Most of the problems for short term storage from them are the staples, which can be avoided if you use self sealable ones
My coins are in a BRICKHOUSE Cigar Box. If it is good enough for a Brickhouse Cigar, it is good enough for my coins.
FYI. Paper can have acid in them as part of the production. That is causing the toning and can cause irreversible damage. If you want to use envelopes try to find acid free.
Good point, forgot to mention that. That’s part of the reason old NGC fatties turn terminal sometimes.
@@bignubnumismatics Could you recommend a brand of coin envalops???
I also wanted to ask you if some cardboard 2x2s are good for log term storage and which brand you would recommend.
@@vbook307 If you are going to use cardboard flips, I would replace them every 5 years. They are better than the plastic flips, but the cardboard tends to degrade after a while. Any brand is decent, but I recommend using self-sealing ones so there is no chance for staple mishaps.
@@bignubnumismatics is the plastic bad after 5 years???
@@vbook307 the plastic isn’t bad with the cardboard flips, the cardboard is. Depends on the environment though.
I keep my coins in fishing tackle boxes has all the dividers in it
Question- everyone always says album slides cause friction and damage coin. I have no evidence to the contrary so can’t refute that. However, nobody ever says anything about coins in a 2x2 plastic flip and that causing scratches. Even though A) it’s the same or similar plastic (let’s assume the PCGS submission kind) B) the coin is in contact with the plastic 100% of the time and certainly moving around as boxes are shifted. Why is that?
Is it because everyone is focused on the PVC damage aspect and the friction discussion get overshadowed?
Most of the time the flips are for temporary use only. The only damage from the albums comes as the slides are, well, sliding.
I feel the flips are just as damaging if you are moving it constantly. The best ones are pretty flexible and I haven’t had any problems personally, although I do worry when I’m pulling out the coins out or putting them in.
If your that considered bout moisture get a dehumidifier. Them 1 things don't work at all
I use flips and change them every 5 years
learn something new everyday! Thanks!
I was just talking about this on Facebook. I can't figure out the best way to keep my whole bu Washington quarters set. To hand to the kids and not have to worry.
Long term I would recommend a brand new album, Dansco or Wayte Raymond. If you want to really keep them nice and make them easier to sell or keep track of the value in the future, you may want to consider sending them in for Bulk grading. That costs $7 a coin.
@@bignubnumismatics from PCGS? Describe what bulk coin grading means and does...sounds good I think
Kodar flips are safe.Please stay away from China-made flips;cheap but nasty, pvc.
I store my own 2€ commemoratives and silver coins in 2x2 mylar and cardboard flips with relevant information written down. I prefer to use eight staples for the more valuable coins to minimize air exposure.
The masses of old circulation coins still found in the house I've wrapped in either pockets or tubes of simple 80g/m2 copy paper that adheres to ISO 9706 standards. If there are more than 10 of a kind (or if the stack is higher than a single coin of the same kind), I roll them in tubes; if less, I fold the paper into pockets. A coin has to be a rarity (silver, commemorative or antique) to get flipped.
There was a plastic bank pouch of old coins that'd gotten slimy, so I immediately placed those in flips and stuck them in a spare flip holder page before further damage could result.
One disaster I'd found was a decades old (unused) tissue paper wad that contained wartime iron pennies that've subsequently rusted to oblivion. Not much can be done to salvage those, so I placed them in a dime bag. Oddly, that was the only bunch of iron or copper coins that'd degraded.
new Sub bro thanks
Gotta only put circulated stuff or cheaper coins that won't be a massive loss with slide friction in the albums imo.
Putting BU coins 🪙 not albums is risky. I don’t take it lightly, but when I want them to tone long term it’s really the best option.
Very good discussion. Subscribed !!!
Thanks for watching!
What is the best long-term storage
Low cost - Kointainers are excellent and cost like .25 each, PCGS holders are the best but obviously you would have to pay for that.
Coin capsules
Good video, but suggest you add a bit more info to your explanations. For instance, you say that soft plastic 'PVC material" flip cases should not be used because they "will ruin the coins." It would help if you explain what you mean by "ruin." For instance, mentioning that the PVC material interacts with the coins surface metal over time, as the soft plastic itself breaks down, releasing hydrogen chloride gas (an acid) that then damages the surface of the coin creating microscopic pitting, discoloration, thus causing "environmental damage" and then destroying the numismatic value of the coin. PCGS and NGC will not grade coins so damaged. The chemical reaction is most aggressive on copper, silver, and clad coins. On copper the discoloration is very bright green. On silver, it's a milky tone turning to green. And on clad coins, it oxidizes them and turns them into a white powder. That acid damage is permanent. It cannot be cleaned without then altering the coin's patina and again, losing much or all of the numismatic value. --- Also, discuss the issue of where (in the house) to best store coins. Do not store coins in the attic or basement, for instance, where the temps cannot be controlled. And review your collection every two months at minimum, (and use white, cotton gloves ideally, when handling raw coins), so you don't add oils and dirt (from your fingers, however clean) to the coin. That debris over time will tone and damage the coin. And could also result in the beginning of damage. I also try to identify the best of what I have and send that off (as income provides) to have them graded and encapsulated by PCGS or NGC. That additional layer of protection, especially for more valuable coins, is a must. Best of luck. Good video.
Good evening can you help me to find a place where I can sell my coins iam at South Africa in Cape Town
You mentioned cointainers? But you didn’t show one!!!
Very nice and informative video.
Question can I use PCCB or OBB plastic holders without damaging my coin or are they like PVC?
Those are pretty decent. Best case scenario would be you sealing them , but there’s certainly not a huge need.