Why You DON'T Need a Dual PC Streaming Setup
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- Provoked Prawn here with a slightly controversial opinion probably, on why you don't need a dual PC setup. It's my opinion, based on experience, that a two PC setup isn't necessary for streaming. Modern PCs are perfectly capable of both recording and streaming footage at good quality and with good results too. It's also possible to adjust various settings in both OBS and Windows (if you have the right hardware) to result in a different recording to your stream. This means you can record without an overlay and camera and with separate audio tracks, so you can create all sorts of different content with ease.
My experience is that it's possible to do all this with a single PC and without having a negative impact on your FPS performance or the smoothness of gameplay. Obviously this is going to depend heavily on your gaming machine and the spec of it, as well as your broadband and your OBS settings. BUT I've been doing it for years with a number of different PC builds, including lesser specced systems. So I believe it's perfectly plausible to do.
If you think I'm wrong and you DO NEED a dual PC setup, then please let me know why!
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I could listen to you read the back of a cereal box
That would be an interesting experiment. Any particular cereal? 🤣
Ah goodtimes reading cereal boxes
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I have a 1080ti PC that will become my 2nd PC, while I'm waiting for my 3080 PC to arrive. I'm sure most people don't need to buy 2 PCs in one go for streaming, especially when you can even use a basic old laptop with an elgato. 1 PC works, 2PCs work better
Is there a list where i can rebuild new pc (hopefully small pc case) but with my old gtx1050ti for streaming?
@@ReedSolutions you can use a mini-PC the most cheapest way is to use 4core 4 thread N95 (12th gen) and use Quick-Sync, you can even attach the mini-PC at the back (vesa mount) of the Monitor, yeah it will look like an All in One PC.
I you want to add a lot of overlays then you can get a mini-PC w/ higher specs like a 5800H and use x264 if i remember correctly it will perform on the par or equal to a ryzen 3700x (desktop CPU).
As a person that has been on both sides of the fence, I see purpose in both options. I prefer a single-PC setup for simplicity, but it does involve certain specs to do streaming and gaming well. Dual PC worked well for me to start streaming with lower-end equipment and job distribution. I had a 9 year old computer handling my stream before it had temp issues I only recently diagnosed, to give you an idea how it was. :) In the end, it's probably preference and equipment dependent, but I don't see one as being "better" than the other.
The biggest thing people complain about is latency of input from single pc gaming/streaming at the same time. Might only be 5-10ms but some can feel it
I guess the question is; is the 10 ms worth an additional $2000-$3500? IMO, unless you have a million followers and you're making a living streaming, probably not.
Nah stream pcs can be like $600. If you’re a streamer or a competitive gamer then I think it’s worth it
@@Official_ADub actually thats not bad. So if thats the case, what would be the ideal build for a steaming pc? I imagine an amd gpu should be sufficient.
@@Official_ADub you not getting a good pc for 600$ lol be lucky to get a half good gpu
@@SkywatcherAnomalous89 You don’t need much to stream, a 1060 and a 3700x is fine
Honestly I just want a backup for when the latest AAA game decides drivers and stability is for nerds and crashes the gaming PC straight to reboot during the stream.
The viewers need to be able to hear me sob in despair.
Exactly what I need man, thanks! This is going to simplify my setup a lot, I probably just need to upgrade my cpu.
i 100% feel you can do a single pc stream, but if you’re more of an entertainer when it comes to streaming and you run more integrations, plug ins, and more a dual pc set up might be the way to go.
I feel like no matter how many performance my cpu n gpu will need for gaming, I personally prefer to have all available performance dedicated to the game I’m playing even if some performance aren’t utilized and have a second PC do all work. Imagine recording streaming & playing the game off one PC even if the power is there
@@Varillah I do that as we speak lol
watching that thermal paste be applied was pain
Good
More is always better
I thought the same thing.
why lmao always spread evenly with good coverage
lmao yeah one of my friends tried that once and his temps were horribly bad
As you mentioned its true you can do very well with limited hardware although if your streaming to twitch and are not partnered you dont benefit from transcoding and viewers are at the mercy of your bitrate . And if your doing high fps shooters it will result in low clarity artifacts and pixelated if your doing any talking heads you should be fine with about any hardware and would mainly rely on camera hardware
No offense, but the amount of thermal paste you used on your CPU gave me anxiety. ._.
Thanks for the engagement.👍 You fell for my trap. Side note, I get 30 degrees idle and like max 60 degrees with the 13900k with that pasting. 😂🤣
so a 14th Gen Intel Core i9-14900KF / NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 should be fine?
Im on fx5800 and rtx3060ti streaming from 2k to 1080p stream, so rtx4080 should work wonders
Latency becomes a factor in one pc streaming, and in cpu intensive games could lead to crashes. For competitive pvp type players, it's a detriment to stream from one pc.
Fair enough
Hi Provoked Prawn,
Thus, I can have two gpus in one case as long as the motherboard allows it.
Question:
Can I use two gpus, one for recording and one for gaming?
And, if this is possible, which of the two gpus that are connected on the motherboard should be used with the display port to show the picture on the monitor?
GPU (Primary) is showing the gameplay on the monitor and GPU (Seconday) records the gameplay. Thus, one is using its resources on gaming and the other only on recording. Is this correct? And if so, does the GPU (Seconday) need to connect to the monitor as well or there is no need?
Kind regards,
Ioannis Pantoglou
P.S.: My guess is that you need to have your GPU (primary) connected to the monitor for it to be used for the gaming task. And, when you open OBS, you can use GPU (Secondary) for the enconding without the need for it to be connected as well on the monitor. This way GPU (Primary) focuses on gaming and GPU (Secondary) focuses on recording, and encoding.
I've ran into problems with 2 gpus with a weird fix. Running the first GPU for gaming and 2nd monitor like normal. The 2nd GPU only worked if I plugged it in to a 3rd monitor and mirrored my first (the one I game on) obs just would not let me use the 2nd to encode no matter what I tried. (Rtx 3080 and rtx 3070 2nd GPU)
What thermal paste is that? I never seen one with a built in spreader on the end. Thanks for the great informative video….
i use a dual pc setup i used one pc i never was happy i now use dual pc my stream is 1440p also i used a ryzen 5 3600 on my streaming and gpu is a gtx 1080ti . for my gaming i use a ryzen 5 5600 and a rx 6600 i love my quality i been growing i purchase two pcs
Yea' you don't need a second pc in case you have an *absolutely overkill of a beast* machine in the first place, most people would probably benefit from a dual setup, it's as bright as day, I like the prawn costume though
if you've spent enough money for two surely you could just have one though? I did say it would be controversial.
Modern PCs are ex-pen-sive. Dual PC streaming setups allow you to use slightly older PCs, with MUCH MUCH more affordable parts and stream games on those older parts because the performance is spread out between the two PCs.
TLDR: It's easier to stream at excellent quality with less money with Dual PC setups.
For me it was still that one PC, what I was using for many years, aside from some graphics update end of 2022 (3070 Ti) and some drives over time, its still the same old i7 8700k & 32 GB Ram. Its still fine for gaming, and depending on how high settings you do and what you play, some 4k is still fine too. But the CPU is not the latest, obviously. So when I tried to also run OBS and streaming etc. and gaming at the same pace, it wasnt a good experience at all. Lucky me, my gf has her PC in the same room, so the idea of the 2 PC Setup for Streaming came into place. Problem is, its still a very small or rather narrow room. So working with a green screen behind me (otherwise you see a ugly cupboard wall), its really tight to make that all work that way, because its like 10 cm behind my chair and the green screen is not even 10 cm away from the cupboard wall. So all is very narrow. Not really made for Streaming etc.
Back then, my had her PC in the living room, and with that, i would have more space and could setup the desk etc rather in the width of the room, instead of now at the wall. That way I would have the space to setup things different, so space would be used better & available. But because all was set to the idea of 2 PC Setup, where her PC was the streaming PC, capture cards etc. were purchased etc. to make it work that way. If for that i would move her stuff out into the living room, that would leave quite some cables i wouldnt know how to get into that room.
So, if i would have had money lying around, i would do some upgrade with other Hardware (CPU, Mainboard, RAM, Cooling), i would be able more to handle game & stream on the same machine. Unfortunately i cant afford that, which currently makes the 2 PC version of that plan the only viable. But i really am glad you can do it the way you have it. ;) I wish i could do that too.
Cheers m8
P.S: You have probably the most calming voice i have ever heard :D
Try using an ndi or teleport obs as a capture there's 2 guys on yotube that are great one explains the installation and the other troubleshoots you dont need a capture card although you may need to walk to your living room to end and start stream
I mean pc's are getting better every year so I guess it's fair
i dont know how to explain it, but when i stream and i play fortnite, i run good fps well above 240, but it feels much smoother and quicker when i stop streaming. i have an rtx 3060 and i7 10th gen
I have a rtx 3070 & my stream has started lagging terribly since I started playing & streaming any fix ? I used to play for from console and stream on pc
The point for 2 was always for 2 less powerful rigs so you don't choke your gaming rig facts
Hey Prawn, so I have a single PC for gaming and streaming and I just bought an ElGato HD60X - do you think it will help make my stream quality better since I won't have to rely on my PC for the work?
Your pc still does the work, even though you have a capture card.
I see that m.2 RAID adapter in your system just above the fans. I have been holding off on using one of those specifically because I figured it would either block the case fans or the graphics card fans. How does that work out for you? Seems like you have only the bottom fans for intake as well. I'm using an O11 Dynamic with bottom intake and top and back for exhaust so that's pretty close to your fan setup.
he put his radiator in the side in push-pull as intake to compensate; with those as intake and the four exhaust the airflow is still excellent and I imagine the impact to GPU thermals was minimal (1-3c). I just added a capture card under my 3090 in my Fractal Torrent with the two 180mm's as bottom intake (one now blocked off by the capture card) and the effect was 0.5-1.5c increase on my GPU from 70c to 71c with a 450w vbios / OC. Those fans + the 420mm front-mounted AIO in push-pull keep enough air moving to where it doesn't really matter; his system seems to be configured similarly.
It doesn't cause problems really. I have the rad fans on the side as intake as well and I get about 65 degrees max on the GPU. It is a great case for cooling.
@@JadeIsler Ok this seems counter intuitive to me. Putting the radiator fans to intake pulls all the heat from the CPU into the case. Or am I misunderstanding something?
@@Oceanborn712 if they're push-pull, the air doesn't heat up enough to make much of a difference. Plus there's no other way to get an AIO in a torrent or peak CPU temps on one in a 011. Rn CPU's are hotter than GPU's so it makes sense if you have a good heatsink on your card
How do you play at high FPS but stream at 60fps without the OBS tanking the GPU usage? I can't get the most out of my monitor and cap all my games to 60 because the downscaling causes a high GPU usage (100%). I play/stream at 3440x1440, stream at 1720x720, record at native. Have a 4070ti and 5800x.
I'm close to getting a 2nd PC and streaming with the new 4k capture cards with the 120fps passthrough
Thats a good question , im having the same problem . Lookin into getting a 2nd pc to stream with it but i would like to find a way to stream off my gaming pc but so far no luck
if the only difference in this build was a 3060 series for example, would it still be powerful enough?
I've definitely done it with a 3060 Ti
2 pc set up is necessary for people like me with low money I got a mid range gaming pc and my obs crashes as soon as I add overlays so I'm going to buy a cheap pc just to run obs 💜💙👍
But then you have to spend extra money and all that to run audio and stuff too? So with all the money together would equal a new graphics card wouldn’t it? If you can spend 1000 for everything you need why not just spend that on a good gpu? I have a decent pc myself and have a 2nd but seems like so much more work and money to spend to just stream to a 2nd pc…
I have a pc that can stream, but can't stream and game, so selling it for like 450 or keeping it as a dual pc is not that expensice.
sorry dude i stream on Dlive and there's no real way of gettin' downloaded recorded vods on Dlive so i have no choice but to local record and sadly it's not feasible with just a single PC no matter how strong i build it, i still have to account for storage space and i don't wanna have it eaten up by vods alone and i refuse to go back to stream on Twitch because as someone who streams games like DanceDanceRevolution, Twitch wants to be shady about people like me sayin' NO COPYRIGHT NO COPYRIGHT and yet DanceDanceRevolution is listed to be streamed and no it's not a game where u can't turn off tha soundtrack because MUSIC IS THA GAMEPLAY so nah i had no choice but to leave Twitch 4 years ago to a much smaller platform like Dlive because of reasons like those
also i don't wanna stream DanceDanceRevolution on TH-cam either because 1 it's already hard to get a gameplay of DanceDanceRevolution up for obvious reasons...... so u can imagine what it'll be like if u tried to stream a game like DanceDanceRevolution on TH-cam even if tha vods are turned off and it looks like same goes for Twitch too at some point with DanceDanceRevolution! however i trust no platform with a game like DanceDanceRevolution but i haven't been harassed by tha staff at Dlive for it so it's a plus but i'm always have a backup platform just in case so yea....
don't even get me started on Facebook streaming....
so it was why i was forced to have a Dual PC setup with capture cards with its own seperate mass HDD just to store vods, now i don't boot off a HDD, i boot off a SSD it's just i have a 8TB just dedicated to VODS on its seperate PC because i didn't wanna interfere with my game installs on a single PC setup which i got tired of and plus i also got tired of tryin' for finding capture for OBS when i'm tryin' to stream on tha same PC i game on as well which it's frustrating so i just gave up on a single PC setup and went with Dual PC setup and never looked back
To be fair. My current pc (i7 7700 + gtx 1660 ti) isnt all that powerful on its own, but it can run all current gen games at decent settings fhd. I had trouble playing and streaming horizon zero dawn at full hd at the same time and I had parts of an old i7 2600 pc laying around, so I bought a second hand gtx 1650 super, slapped it in there and that just completely fixed my issues. Definitely cheaper than upgrading my main pc, which would've required me to get a new mobo, cpu and gpu.
In 2 pc setup what kind of streaming rig is more than enough to stream 1440p?
Did you OC or undervolt your cpu and enable xmp to get such good stats?
Thank you I got a modern updated i9 4070 ti 64 gigs of ram. I don’t think I need my old Ryzen 5 5600x with the ol 1060 for a streaming pc. The new one can handle the work load seamless. Ready or not runs maxed frames no issues.
I stream with 2 pc, stream msfs2020 who need a lot of ressources. My streaming pc is rog strix z770 with I7 11700k, 3060ti, ddr4 3200, nvme m.2 pcie 3. Gaming pc is rog strix z790, I9 13900k, 3080ti, ddr 5 6000, nvme m.2 pcie 4. I also have 2 Sony A7 connected, many addons for msfs2020 running. I made some tests dual pc/single pc about temperatures cpu gpu, ram, % of ressources used etc... and honestly I don't see big difference beteween 1 or 2 pc... I will switch for now to 1 pc, is less headach about setup and cables LOL
Thanks for sharing!
i prefer a dual PC setup especially when it comes to situations like local recording and streaming at tha same time and i can't add gaming on tha same PC i'm local recording and streaming at tha same time with it's alot to ask unless i settle for a Threadripper which i'm not goin' for atm
Listen I’m new to the pc world and I’m going to start streaming soon. I’ll be playing games like COD and GTA online. I’m looking at buying the Vengence i8100 gaming pc, i9-13900ks, RTX 4090, 4TB, 64GB DDR5-5600. My research leads me to it’s necessary but not necessary to have two PCs. Do you suggest I just try one for starters ?
That's a beast of a PC. You won't need two.
What camera/cameras do you use?
Where did you get your tower case? What's model number?
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I'm currently using corsair vengeance pro sl ram but would like to switch to white rgb ram have you done a review of your kingston fury ram it looks great but not seen many reviews thanks
I don't generally do RAM reviews on their own but I like the Fury ram and it runs well. I upgraded to 64GB from 32 because I needed it for video editing and such but I think that's a testament to the fact I like it enough to buy more 🤣
how much fps loss is there?
What mixer is that? Not the GoXLR the one on your desk
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thank you top work my spec i9 12900k and 3090
Watching you apply that thermal paste was giving me a headache. Next time use a pee sized amount.
No
Should 4090 and 13000k be good enough for streaming and gaming for twitch&tiktok at the same time ?
absolutely
Don’t forget the 64gb of ram. You gon need that. I’m doing a 4090 i7 12700k with 16GB ram fine on cod and obs but once try it with twitch website open on second monitor my fps take a mean 40 to 60 fps drop even with eso I’ll hit staggers because lack of ram.
@@yournotdatguypal will try with 32 if thats not enought ill just upgrade again because in the long run i might get the second pc as well
Doable with 3080ti ryzen 9 7900? Currently running dual pc with my i7 9700k 2080super via obs teleport but always having a problem woth audio desync on stream..
@@bakki2kgo with 64ram
I stream from one PC using Streamlabs with RTX 3080 and it is alright but sometimes depending on the game I might have to turn off the Vtuber avatar because it starts getting very low frame rate.
Interesting usecase I hadn't considered. I'd imagine the Vtuber thing is punishing on system performance to be fair.
Streamlabs uses alot, obs is better
What’s the rest of your specs? 3080 should be more than enough lol. Your ram low or something?
Obs mate way better
setting up simple things like follow alerts and emote wall is much easier on steamlabs to the point where you can do it without guide @@zayteh3570
Its 4070ti 12gb and 13900 intel also good for streaming and gaming ?
Should be yes
Guess that 1 PC worth 5k, does a better job at gaming and streaming than a dual PC setup where both PC together are worth less than 1/2 of the 5K PCs graphic card.
Yeah I jus dropped $5600 on a new gaming PC. I'm going to test it out later on today.
@@BIGNOSEPOPPAlmk
I hopped in cause you may know and I obviously don’t have your cell # lol… but, I have 3 monitors and dual pcs. I just want to be able to hop to streaming pc without disconnecting keyboard and mouse
Kvm switch?
Yea, I ended up buying a USB -pc1-pc2 hub so I can split the connection. All in all I’m not sure how my setup will work yet as I have to go pickup the other monitors from friends company. My 2 other monitors I want to use for streaming “aside from primary gaming one” are free and they only have 1 HDMI output, they are these business class Samsung ones. Guess I’ll have to see. I’ll just need to change input on primary monitor to log into stream pc “enter credentials”
You don´t need two PCs if your PC is as expensive and powerfull as two :)
If you're spending money on two surely you could just buy one better one?
This is wrong, I have 13900k and 4090 and still find myself frustrated by some recordings I make. I record and play at max settings and 1440p and it hurts to say this but no single pc setup will get you butter smooth recordings if you’re playing on ultra and on resolutions higher then 2k. I really don’t want to but I might build a second pc someday…
@@AYOUB_le_vrai thank you
@@AYOUB_le_vrai how much ram are you running young man?
@@AYOUB_le_vrai just stream don’t record. Turn off all of your overlays in discord, steam and GeForce experience that will help a lot.
whats the asus thing under his gpu?
NVMe expander card
I have a question, can we use an hdmi cable and capture card to mirror the pc screen to an android tablet and live stream it from the tablet ? Another way is using Apps and software for mirroring, we have apps and software that mirror pc screen but i dont know if we can live stream it from the tablet
thanks for the vid bud, gonna need a follow up vid "how to sell your second pc"
lol
what's the name of the game u playing ?
if your just doing a basic setup, yeh you don't. but for all the cool crazy stuff, you need 2. Period.
Who lied to you already in 2023?
Thank you so so so much for your non opinionated unbiased video >.
I don’t agree if a single pc is all you have then by all means. But you can’t say a single pc will have better streaming and gaming quality then a dual 3090 ryzen 9 systems. If it was no one would run dual pcs
ok
He didn’t say it was better.. he said you don’t “NEED” 2
Also most people run 2 if they play “competitive” that’s the only real reason 2 is needed…
1st ?
I plan on building a high end pc i want to go for a build that does both gaming and streaming im going for a 4090 gpu what cpu do you recommend and mother board? Also im getting 64gigs of ramm and 4TB of ssd
Thanks
Thank you for the super thanks ❤️