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A channel subscriber asked me how does an artist effectively use photo reference. How to get a natural feel without it looking like the person is staged? How to visualize things in order to even sketch them out?
This is something I struggle with as well and I recommend looking at a book called Norman Rockwell: Behind the Camera.
It's one of the best books I've ever seen on how to use photo reference. Rockwell used hundreds of photos throughout his career. This book shows you his reference photography shot side by side with the finished pieces. - บันเทิง
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I was told about Norman Rockwell about 2 years ago, not like this. Thanks for directing back to your older video. This is timeless.
Thanks much for this look at Norman Rockwell .
I've been studying hìs work for 40 years . My Life as an Illustrator has my text book . Very important for taking a fly-on-the-wall look at Norman Rockwells creative procedural method .
My biggest influence .
Vermeer my second .
Thanks again ! We'll done
Thanks, Jack! I feel like I've only scratched the surface of studying Rockwell's work and how to use reference in my art. But it means the world that others are enjoying this journey.
the Mermaid in the rough draft is topless. there was a lot on ol' Norman's mind than I might have thought .big fan here, as long as I can remember. very good talk on his use of photos. he must have used thousands. I'll end up w/ a copy of that book, thanx. good cover design. Shefferton's Barber shop and his creation of artificial light is brilliant.
Thanks for the kind words about the video, Tony! I've learned a tremendous amount about making art from studying Rockwell's process. I'm just happy to share it with others.
Re: the Mermaid, Rockwell is widely considered to be a wholesome staple of Americana, but he freely admits to having a racy side. If you have a chance, pick up his autobiography, My Life as An Illustrator, if you have a chance. It's a great read.
@@gerimi that should be on my 'to do' list. I'm an amateur cartoonist, and you are obviously a pro. but the old cliche`, "I know what I like when I see it" applies to me, and intrinsically, I know his artificial light as well as sunlight ('freedom from want') THANKSGIVING, is every bit as good as I say it is. I think I just addressed art snobs, in that tangent. I'm a big fan of Winslow Homer (just for one), who is admired by those folks. but I guess my dilemma is that I defend a guy, NR who (due to sheer ability and talent) is a great painter, but also is dare I say, corny. in run of the mill average corny, there is no brilliance, and that is sort of what separates him from the others. but magazine covers won't get him onto the top tier. thanx for letting me digress from this highly interesting subject of yours. honestly, the way he transforms the wall beneath the art observer at the museum from what appears to be wood in bottom half, to what looks like in the final, classic hunks of marble, was really interesting. whether it's wood or marble, he made something ordinary look much more interesting , just by painting it. I'd take a wild guess you've been at his museum in Stockbridge, Massachusetts. took the tour w/ family about 25 years ago. no video cameras allowed. too bad for me.
your stuff is pretty wild. keep at it .I actually love to draw B&W photos from my monitor. pencil and paper is all I need for shadow and light.
Spot On! Great insight and perspective on the way one uses photo reference as an artist.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video.
Thank you so much for covering this topic! and yeah, you got my name right!
I've been working with photo reference since we last talked, and I'm getting better at poses and the like. Also recently started drawing gas masks, and it's surprisingly fun. I really need to get working on environments though, they're just really... intimidating to start.
Another very interesting thing you mentioned was Rockwell's habit of changing parts of his finished work to convey a certain mood and story. This is something that just kinda hit me right on the head a week ago, I realized that I've been working so hard to get better at rendering things and making things look accurate that I completely forgot to make art, and now... I just don't know how to convey that story. I just don't have very creative ideas, which is ironic and tragic for someone who's supposed to be an "artist."
I really enjoyed listening to your breakdown of Rockwells photo reference process, thank you.
You’re very welcome, StarFish! Thanks for watching 😁
Great observations, excellent insights on Norman Rorckwell work process and on the good use of photography at illustration or painting service. Thank you for making this great video!
Thank you so much for the nice comment, Ana. Glad you enjoyed it.
This is really great. Thanks! Any mention of Rockwell gets my attention.
I'm really glad you enjoyed it. Thanks so much for the kind comment!
This is an awesome video with priceless insights!
Thanks :) The insights are all Rockwell's. I'm just pointing them out.
Great informative video! Many thanks for taking the time to do it for us.
Joseph Caruso you're very welcome. I learned a lot making it.
great discussion man thanks for making this video!
You're very welcome. I learned a lot from making this video, too. Gave me the opportunity to look closer at Rockwell's work.
Excellent video. Thanks so much for putting it together.
You're welcome. Happy to share.
I laugh at artist that balk at photo reference or grids or light boxes knowing Rockwell actually projected the photo on the canvas and traced!! Oh the agony the crime!! The genius:)
I'm right there with you Doug… If someone can get good results without reference, grids, lightboxes, more power to them. BUT I need all the help I can get :)
Thanks for the video brother! Very helpful. God bless you.
Hi ElGriego! You're very welcome. Thanks for watching.
Thank you so much for this video, really good
You're more than welcome. It's an interesting subject that I've been wanting to explore as well.
The model for the art critic was his son and the lady in the painting was his wife. The kids hated that painting because essentially it shows his son looking to closely at his mothers breast.
Thanks for the great comments. I learned so much by reading Rockwell’s autobiography. Even he agonized over photo reference and projecting drawings into canvas until he was forced to in order to meet deadlines. Then he was like “what was I being a baby about it for?”
I think most of the resistance contemporary artists have comes from not being shown how to properly use reference. Thanks for watching 👍
OH MAN, YOU HAVE A TH-cam CHANEL! why didn't you ever mention that! auto subscribe
Lol! My bad… I should have led with that. Nice to hear from you. Hope you're staying safe and healthy.
Hey amazing video , It got recommended to me , I recently made a video on this process for rowell animated... this is super detailed I'm gonna link this to mine
Thanks for the kind words, William. I just watched your video… Talk about amazing! Yours is so well produced and beautifully animated. Great work. I subscribed and look forward to seeing more.
@@gerimi Thank you sir, your volume of work is impressive nothing beats dedication and discipline!!
He would also spend up to ( in one instance) eleven months to complete a painting from soup to nuts. He would have to borrow money because of the length of time between paychecks.
That's one of the big challenges to having a high level of polish to your work. It takes a lot of time. And time is money.
How would he add color correctly when using black and white photos?
There's an expression in painting… if you get your values correct, the color takes care of itself.
The idea is that a wide variety of colors can work if you properly establish your range of lights and darks, in terms of form. Establishing a light source and making surfaces facing the light source a lighter value, those facing away, darker.
And making that relationship between light and dark consistent throughout a painting.
At that point, you can use whatever colors you want. "Correct" color becomes irrelevant. It becomes the artist's choice to use whatever color expresses the mood of the piece. If you want a naturalistic palette, you could write down notes on what the colors of the reference were, or maybe do a quick watercolor/color pencil sketch to capture details that aren't in the black and white image.
These days, it's quicker to just snap a picture with a digital camera, but in Rockwell's day, many artists would also a quick color sketch to accompany their photo reference.
Gerimi Great info. Yes and I forgot they do a color sketch too which they get a basic spectrum.
Thank you so much for covering this topic! and yeah, you got my name right!
I've been working with photo reference since we last talked, and I'm getting better at poses and the like. Also recently started drawing gas masks, and it's surprisingly fun. I really need to get working on environments though, they're just really... intimidating to start.
Another very interesting thing you mentioned was Rockwell's habit of changing parts of his finished work to convey a certain mood and story. This is something that just kinda hit me right on the head a week ago, I realized that I've been working so hard to get better at rendering things and making things look accurate that I completely forgot to make art, and now... I just don't know how to convey that story. I just don't have very creative ideas, which is ironic and tragic for someone who's supposed to be an "artist."
Glad to here the photo reference work is getting easier. I really feel that it's similar to anatomy, proportion, perspectives, and other drawing concepts. It's A LOT of trial and error. But having good examples like Rockwell helps.
And you might not think your ideas are very creative, but there that's part of the learning process. You're still developing your "Grammar of Art", the equivalent of the eight parts of speech. So the things you're trying to say are much simpler because right now, the art is putting the words together correctly.
As you begin to master the parts, and your vocabulary grows, THAT's when you get ambitious. You can focus on what you want to say, because you're not struggling with how you want to say it.
If you want some inspiration, see if you can find the book THE AGONY AND THE ECSTASY By Irving Stone. It's a historical fiction novel about the life of Michelangelo. They might have it at your local library if you don't want to spend any money.