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@@HeavyWings i mean technically the Pukei vs Rajang turfwar makes sense lore wiese lore says that Pukei flees from larger dangers but loves to bully smaller monsters then him and if im not wronge Rajang is actually size wise smalelr then Pukei so in the turfwar Pukei thinks he can bully Rajang away then gets his ass kicked
@@radiogobrrrrrrr1949 i remember fighting a paolumu, tzitzi appeared when the paolumu was angry (flying with the inflated neck), flashbangs and the paolumu falls to the ground
It's neat that Rajang can actually bypass the restriction where Kirin's horn can only break at 32% HP or lower, and that it has another slightly different turf war animation if the horn is already broken
This is I think my favorite turf war I've seen in Rise/Sunbreak. I havent' had a chance to see the others with Malenzo, Magnamalo, and Valk in peson yet.
Actually Great Girros sometimes "fights" Odogaron. When the Player hunts Odogaron and Girros is there and spots them it charges towards the Odogaron and bites it, leaving Odo paralyzed and then Girros focuses on the Player.
Odogaron has a fight with every large monster living in theValentine's, even Vaal Hazak but sometimes he can get carried away in his work. Like when Deviljho appears.
I really hope in the future Queen Seltas returns with a turf war where she throws a Seltas at a Deviljho only for it get instantly devoured that would be hilarious
8:10 very sad you didn't mention that Tzitzi does have unmarked turf wars, where the little bastard shows up, flashbangs your target, and leaves. Tzitzi is my favorite CoD player
I think the monsters in Rise having to move to a certain area before having a turf war is unintentionally funny. It's like they're both saying "I'm gonna beat you to death but first let's move to a desirable area"
It's crazy that someone has a positive mindset about this bc it's incredibly tilting to me. Monsters already run away a shit ton in rise, then the maps are gigantic, and on top of all that they'll randomly decide, "yea I'm gonna go beef with this monster I detected across the map for no reason at all".
There are minor details about Aknosom vs Somnacanth turf war I'd like to point out: When Somnacanth spreads the sleep gas, your hunter can fall asleep too, and while Aknosom just sleeps there (with a new sleeping animation lmao) Somnacanth just runs away. Also, with Auroracanth, instead of spreading the sleep gas, it just makes Aknosom fall over. That turf war is so underrated!
Fun fact about Odogaron. He's actually pretty competent against Vaal. One time, I was hunting Vaal and Odo showed up, lost the turf war, and ran off. A little while later, he came back, and the turf war didn't proc, and he proceeded to body Vaal. His speed and power statistically counter Vaal. It was pretty amazing, especially for me as someone who loves Odo. He's tied with Nargacuga as my favorite non Elder dragon. I like to think since I was in full Odogaron gear that he was backing me up!
I feel like they wouldn’t back up a person wearing armor made from parts of other odogaron lol. Maybe seeing that made them mad and they took it out on Vaal.
Monsters using attacks intended for use against the hunter does not represent how they'd behave in a more... cinematic, encounter. Hence *why* Turf Wars exist Rathalos has a tail swipe but would have actual brain damage if it were to do so against an Anjanath over its venomous talons Vaal still beats the fuck out of clifford
@IndominusRex-wc1ey The turf war *shows* the way Vaal beats Clifford. In the turf war he's faster. Vaal wins due to his effluvia. So, going by the turf war specifically, the thing we know is that Odo is faster than Vaal. Take away his magic BS power and Odo looks plenty better
@dr.calibrations7984 "I'm sure to win because my speed is superior" ass reply Yes, the turf war shows Vaal winning via effluvia. That does not equivalate to that being his ONLY win condition. Speed isn't the only factor in a fight lol, in the turf war Odogaron does barely anything to Vaal Odogaron canonically has shit vision and relies on smell, by all means Vaal is practically invisible in the Vale becuase of that because Vaal smells of rotten death, but the entire environment also smells of rotten death. Odogaron can BARELY see what's in front of him, and can't smell out Vaal even if Vaal was in front of him Vaal also easily out-classes on physicals. Odogaron cowers from and is mauled by Deviljho, but Blackveil (which doesn't differ much physically, if at all, from base Vaal) is able to push around with Deviljho and beam-clash with him Vaal wins with or without effluvia. Odo's ONLY advantage in this MU is speed and literally nothing else
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey So now we are leaving the turf war? Speed isn't the only factor, of course, but many fighters have made a career on speed feats. If Vaal can get a good hold on Odo, he's cooked sure, but considering Odo is capable of getting on the ED's back, which is a bad position to defend from, he could do a lot of damage. In the turf war, he doesn't do anything before the effluvia gets him, but saying, in a rather rude way, that Vaal stomps by using the turf war as the example, is just asinine. We are both biased, but I admit that I'm looking for the win condition on a literal underdog against an ecological threat would you admit that you have a bias for the Vaal or are you going to say "objectively Vaal would win no diff 100% of the time." And is that condition based on the turf war or something else?
I loved how you possibly made us discover new turf wars as I didn't know the late sunbreak fights. A turf war I would have loved to see is Tigrex vs Diablos where the desert tyrant charge into Tigrex only to get repelled by a 360. Diablos follows with an attempted ambush like Rathian but get countered by Tigrex's roar. Tigrex finishes with either a charge breaking Diablos' horn or throws a boulder to stun him. Black Diablos would spin the fight by going further than regular Diablos to launch a jumping attack throwing Tigrex to the ground then finishes the fight with a tail slam. The winner leaves to eat since the fight is tiring. I think it would be a cool representation of both monsters' strengths and weaknesses and would change from the recycled turf wars.
Yeah Tigrex vs Diablos is one of those turf wars I'm surprised doesn't exist, considering they're both in the desert a lot. Same with Zinogre vs Nargacuga; also doesn't.
If i remember correctly, one of the first FIRST interactions bewteen monsters is how Velociprey will attack Rathian/Rathalos in the first generation, but my memory is a but fuzzy about it
TECHNICALLY the first turf war was in MH2/MHP2nd/MHF2 the velociprey in the jungle nest area would directly attack rathian (and possibly other monsters?) when you topple them specifically in that area, this was a running theme whenever that map appeared in the franchise, i think they may even possibly do it in sunbreak though im not sure on that one.
I only saw the turf war between Lunastra and Velkhana once, and it was exactly in the same spot in the guiding lands, and they were also clipping through the rocks lol
primordial malzeno VS velkhana is mad disrespectful... she got absolutely WRECKED. very cool turf war showing off primordial's unique abilities though, especially compared to base malzeno
Honestly, this might be the coolest History/Evolution video you've done. I love the thoroughness and analysis of each of the turf wars, especially since they're relatively tricky to make happen in Rise/Sunbreak. And damn are those unique Rise/Sunbreak turf wars sweet. I love Malzeno and Primordial so much, plus Velkhana's new unique fights are stunning.
Would be cool if they started off with some recycled turf wars in order to have every possible large monster interaction potentially result in a turf war, but then change the recycled ones post-release to make them more unique from each-other. That way, the team could have more turf wars and the community can deliver feedback on the recycled ones on how to make them unique (like having great wroggy spray poison at a brute wyvern grabbing it).
I’ve been replaying world iceborne recently, and I realized just how cool turf wars are. I hope we get more wilds info soon. We’ve basically had nothing since that reveal trailer.
Turf Wars have become my fave feature, i wish we got a different variation to just "Win/Loss" and "Tie": "Dodge" It plays out as normal, but the weaker monster dodges at the last moment, escaping the zone in hurry while the stronger one crashes into the ground and gets damaged. It would technically be a "Win/Loss" as only one gets damaged, but that would be a neat switcheroo and open up more Turf Wars in general + a chance for smaller monsters to be involved. Also more chances for establishing a pecking order.
Anjanath against Kulu Ya Ku or Great Wroggi feel less like turf wars, and more like beatdowns, imagine if Fulgur was in Sunbreak, and had a turf war with Great Baggi
I think you're putting a bit too much focus on stalemates. It's amazing to see the hierarchy in the World's ancient forest, but it also makes total sense for someone like Nargacuga not fit into it and be a much tougher match up for Rathalos. Also there shouldn't be a 100% clear "this monster is tier x so it beats all of these monsters, but loses to all of these" as it diminishes their strong and weak sides
Black Diablos and Diablos also have a random chance for either to win and not just Glavenus and Rathalos, I have thought Black Diablos always wins but I saw it in a quest and I was surprised I guess. I didn't even break off his horns! Diablos vs. Diablos has always been my favorite, Velkhana and Malzeno will be my 2nd, I remember seing it in the ecology videos and then I see it in-game.
I'd like to point out that the Seregios and Magala fight makes so much sense, as Seregios the first Apex of 4U. The Turf war of Rise implies that Seregios got infected but was strong enough to fight Magala, and through it overcome the virus.
Monster Hunter Wilds is completely revamping the turf war mechanic and fleshing it out. I believe they won’t have a predetermined winner every time. Very excited for it
Absolute disrespect from maggie with that turf war. When i first saw magnamalo's turf war, i was just watching the fireworks until i got 2 giant wyverns to the face. I'd be lying if i said it didn't make me jump a little bit 😂😂
I know that can happen but have never seen it in-person. It's so interesting how they coded that but never implemented in his turf wars. Maybe at one point they wanted to.
Turf Wars in Rise don't always end in Wyvern Riding. They can still sometimes war and then get back up to fight a little bit afterwards when they're cooling down from Wyvern Riding.
I'm still shocked that Rajang and Garangolm didn't have a turf war We literally have two monke in the new game And they didn't even bother staring at it
I think the best part of the turf wars is seeing how much more damage the monsters deal than we do. Like, yeah, we’re strong and clever, but these creatures absolutely brutalize each other.
I want to see variants of the same turf wars, like for Rathalos has alot of recycled animations, maybe one is he picks up the other monster, but other times he just goes for a claw swipe, or sweeping fire. Additionally, I think it was in IB, but sone turf wars had a random chance for either side to win, it'd be cool to see that in Wilds too. If Garangolm and Lunagaron come back, maybe during the ice breath part, sometimes Garangolm can power through and smack Lunagaron.
If I had a nickel for every time you uploaded a video while we were playing Helldivers together, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Great video, I think it's worth mentioning the disparity of turf wars that include Tigrex, Nargacuga and Barioth. Although they are flying wyverns, I do think it is important to note that they exclusively have a different skeleton compared to to other flying wyverns like the raths and all the way to something like Legiana. In my head I always classified Tigrex and the other two as "Gen 2 flying wyverns" as opposed to The much more standardised Gen 1 flying wyvern skeleton. I always thought this to be the reason why any turf wars including them were heavily recycled.
This should be pointed out to devs in order for them to make properly distinguished turf wars showcasing every monsters unique ability or way of fighting!
Fun fact: if glavunus and rathalos fight is the upper levels of the ancient forest and elders recces rathalos is the victor. I’m also decently not a fan of magnamalo’s base turf wars. For one they are all copy and pastes and for two he absolutely breaks my immersion with how this huge fanged wyvern could literally fly thanks to hell fire. Also what a way to disrespect bazelgeuse by ignoring his blast prof carapace and his own bombs not to mention they can hold own against a nergiangte and had the strangth to escape jhos jaws. It’s just utter Garbo to me. It’s just one of the reasons that magnalmo is my least favoured fanged wyvern. Scored is pretty cool for how edgy he looks.
Unironically Rathalos' copy and pasted turf wars in Rise are unironically really good imo Cuz they allow you to see what large monsters it preys upon with little to no resource cost. I think that territorial turf wars should be less and unique, but giving apex carnivores a copy and pasted hunting turf war where it smashes a bunch of medium sized monsters... maybe give them a chance to instakill that monster if it is not a target too!
@@HeavyWings i mean Kulu who is famous for using tools (rocks) coudl at least try to smack him out with a rock throw i mean the whole Gimmick of Kulu was more or less that theyr quite smart for monster Standards cause they can use "tools" and know how to use a rock to block attacks ( it understands that a rock can block stuff) so giving them some turfwars showing that off would have been great imo it would also have been unique and funny if these turfwars would not end in a clear winner or a tie when kulu "wins" a : kulu gets his butt kicked cause the oponent is to strong b : kulu hits the oposing Monster with the rock dealing minimal dmg but knocking it down and kulu then runs away some i would have come up with Barroth vs Kulu Barroth charges Kulu throws the rock hitting Barroth on the head mid charge bringing him slightly off balance and making him stumble and crash but the whole speed/momentum makes barroth still slide towards kulu knocking them down too Kulu vs Rajang Kulu throws the rock ..but Rajang catches it looking at the rock while Kulu is kinda "mind blown" then Rajang throws the rock back knocking Kulu down with it (kinda like the ,,well this didnt worked out as planed situation) Kulu vs Bishaten where bishaten bombs Kulu with fruits Kulu trys to dodghe then digs up a rock and blocks some fruits with it making bishaten realeise ,,ok ,,,i should leave and when bishaten turns aroudn Kulu slam dunks the rock on bishaten i could also see this other where after kulu has the rock bishaten thinks its ok then kulu throwes the rock at bishaten and bishaten throws the furit the fruit gets knocked away by the rock and the rock hititng bishaten right in the face these stuff could have been altered quite well with stronger Monsters where kulu trys to block but the attacks are to strong or stuff like Kulu throws the rock at like a charging tigrex geting it stuck in its mouth making the tigrex flail around trying to get rid off the rock giving the kulu time to run away these would also imo give the impressen that kulu themself dont wants to do much with other Monsters but gets attacked/huntet and then shows that hes not as an easy meal as some Monsters think
@@KBird204 thank you i allways loved the idea more to give the monsters more of an personality especially in turfwars like Barroth is calm but also easily angered for no reason somethign i would love to see is some smalelr large Monster havign a turfwar with an Diablos annoying it and the Diablos jsut walking up and smackign it away with its tail like saying ,,,tf ? get lost ??!
I think the next step would be to add location based Turf wars kind of like the sand trap in wildspire waste and how diablos uses it to attack barroth, or like how Raging Brachy creates the arena for you to fight in (though sealing the area would be too much maybe). Imagine seeing raging Brachy using his rapid explosion punches to beat another monster.
The constant ties in IB's turf wars make me think that Capcom was scared of making someone's fav monster definitively weaker than another, especially when they're tussling with previous flagships. It reminds me of the Fast and Furious movies, where due to contracts and egos, there can never be a definitive winner in any of the fist fights in those films. Even the number of strikes have to be equal.
kushala is the definition of hydrogen baby when something so powerful yet so weak to poisoning is thrown around by a venomous durian, which makes it quite realistic how it ends up as a tie.
In World it sometimes occurred to me that the 2 monsters met again in the same area for a 2v1, just to later remember that their turf war cooldown is up again. It's really strange, and kinda annoying to deal with, so I hope they make the loser be scared of the winner in the next game. In Rise that kind of happened because any monster that can't be wyvern ridden will just try to get away no matter what.
I think one additional reason for the many ties in Iceborne might also just be the health totals of the monsters. Since IB monsters have very inflated HP due to the clutchclaw/tenderizing being introduced. adding more ways for free damage helps balance that out for people who haven't gotten as confident with those mechanics or overlooked them. also it's just kinda sad if a Turf War happens and the monster you are actually hunting doesn't get any damage. in rise since the turf war always triggers wyvern riding and therefore will always give you a good damage opportunity ties don't feel as punishing. Regular monster attacks triggering wyvern rides is also another reason why they didn't need as many turfwars in the game. You already have a different mechanic that provides the spectacle of two monsters fighting
We do see Rajang turn into his Variant of Furious Rajang in MHW Iceborne. So that would actuslly be the first time seeing a monster become a variant in real time
i wish in the next anniversary or just a huge update of the series we would get like a long hour of monsters just fighting each other and see who is at the top but we know the company would choose the rathians
"Apex" in layman ecology is kinda just "whichever ever animal kicks the most ass", which in that case Diablos is that description to a T In actual ecology, don't gotta eat meat to be the strongest animal in your environment, in fact it's less likely for a predator to have that title than an herbivore
Enjoying this and then I noticed the palico called Darquesse and I'm like...a Skulduggery Pleasant fan? 😂 I hope so but maybe it's a reference to something else
A few things Pretty sure mizu ties with Zinogre. I've always thought of a win as the monster falling over for an extended period, trying to get up, like world, but Mizu doesn't fall over. I suppose the counter argument to this is that by that logic, Primordial Malzeno ties with Velkhana but I feel like the context is different for the conclusion of each fight. Primodial straight up folds Velkhana with a three piece combo definitively winning the fight but Mizu bubbles blasts zinogre, forcing it away. Pretty sure Standard Magnamalo has a the same turf war as Scarred, with Malzeno. I feel like there's a Mandela effect going on right now. I coulda sworn the turf war message popped up between Amatsu and Apex Zinogre but looking up TH-cam videos, not a single one showcased that. I wanna go by technicality on this one. Valstrax has one "Turf War" in Sunbreak with Amatsu because it's the only one monster that actually responds to the ambush. It's always called an ambush but to me, it's always been a turf war.
I personally don't care for recycled turf wars. World's turf wars were something special because of how unique they were. They communicated to you about the world you were in hunting. Iceborne onwards, it's just "animations" at this point. They don't feel that special when basically every monster has at least 1 recycled turf war. In my opinion, they should stay unique, even if that means there isn't a lot of them. Turf wars aren't NEEDED for every monster when they already fight and do damage to each other with basic attacks (Yes this is a thing, even if you don't see the damage numbers except for Rajang and Jho for some reason).
I hope in Wilds to "similar power" turf wars, to have 2 different outcomes decided by the monster HP% It would makes sense if the Monster you're fighting and shipping away their strength to lose a fight they would Tie and in case both monster are on equal HP% maybe their Size, the one closer to searching Silver/Gold crown wins overall Ties are kinda boring
I do have a question. Why is the 'power tiers' not being clean an issue again? Like the whole segement around the time stamp 55:23 to 56:00. Why is is this an issue? These aren't Dragonball characters we are comparing. The 'X monster is MORE POWERFUL than Y monster. Y monster beats Z monster and X monster loses to Z.' isn't a problem, a square version of it happened with the Fated 4 no? Just without turf wars. To me its sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining about something. I'd appreciate an explanation of the problem rather than glossing over it like its undisputed truth. "Its just seems like a mess to me." Isn't exactly a stunning explanation.
I agree. It's probably from his mindset of a linear pecking order, most of the time, and for their to be a power scaling thing. This is an issue with the MH community and others in general. It's kinda childish tbh as it's a middle school like thinking. Not even real life ecosystems always have a straight hierarchy. The food chain mindset is a very simple one. It's more of a food web. It's not really survival of the fittest but survival of who survives. (Which is funny when you consider heavy wings showed that while Bazel is strong, he is not a good match up against Magmamalo due to him being an explosive type of monster himself. ) One day a pride of lions take down an elephant. The next day quite a few lions get crushed by same Elephant. Same with a crocodiles, Buffalo Snake vs mongoose, Mongoose vs eagle Eagle vs snake Spider vs wasp (Sometimes wasps lay eggs in spiders. Specifically the tarantula wasp) Wasps vs frogs Spider vs frogs (Some spiders will have frogs as "pets" while others prey on them. And frogs can eat spiders.) I'm mostly speaking of kinds of animals here as there are a lot of species within a kind with many different dynamics. There's so much more to animals than the basic thinking of predator - prey or MUI Goku beats x characters, X characters beats y, why beats z therefore z can't beat MUI Goku. (I dare not add more names for a reason)
You say that stalemates and re-used turf wars deminsh the hierarchy establish by the trur wars in base World but you fail to realize, thats the point. The new monsters introduced in Iceborne are either displaced, caused by the ecological changes taking place, or are invading species altogether. The hierarchy would literally be a mess and naturally monsters would fight eachother based on what they know and have encountered before
I absolutely love turf wars but it's clear there's a few problems, iceborne quantity over quality issue I think stems from 1. Dev short cuts 2. Iceborne Invader problem which results in a lot of copy pasting 3. Feelings like they need to have all the apex level monsters fight, I'd rather have a handful of really good turf wars to show off ecology and rivalry and acutaly take into account each monsters strengths then have a mountain of copy paste, I also don't like how they are very iron clad in power between monsters, it's a very strict higher rank beats lower rank unless your magnamalo in which case you get to be a spoilt child, or 2 monsters that are 5 star must draw even tho there's a huge disparity in power between monsters at every level, some punching well above thier weight and others acutaly being a lot weaker, like mizutsune and Gravious are not in the same weight class of power what so ever yet they are still considered 5 star monsters They have also left a lot of rivalrys without turf wars like the raths vs astalos and Seregios or rathian vs glavenus
I have an idea for a brand new exclusive turf wars for monster hunter wilds since wild is teorized to be open world theres could be a posibility for more than 3 monster in one locale so i propose a unique feature calling -Rathian vs seregios if a seregios and rathian is this the same locale and both monster saw each other they would have a turf wars BUT if rathian is above 50% heatlh the turf wars would shown as seregios getting the upper hand but rathian manage to escape at the end but if rathian is below 50% heatlh seregios would proceed to beat rathian with no second chance for her but rathian manage to break free and fire a single weak fireball that only pushes seregios away as she proceed to let out a special roar that once finish are followed with a rathalos roar and a dive toward the seregios knocking it down and rathalos came down and proceed to check on rathian before telling her to fly away turn toward seregios and become enraged as a result of seregios hurting his mate that bring to the second one -rathalos vs seregios If a rathalos and a seregios is in the same locale or rathalos was called in by rathian and they saw each other they will have a turf wars it will started with seregios firing some sharp scale at rathalos only for rathalos to swat them off with a tailspin after that rathalos going in with a talon strike only for seregios to dodge it as both flying wyvern take to the sky and having an aerial war fair with each other before rathalos manage to grab seregios and slam hin to the ground dealing some damage and pin hin but gets kick off and seregios fire a couple off sharp scale at rathalos pushing him back before flying away in defeat
Wouldve been really nice to see primordial beat the snot out of scorned maggy personally, considering I do not think scorned magnamalo is defeating/fending off gaismagorm like primordial is said to have done, and considering how clearly stronger primordial is than its debilitated form as well. Base rajang beating velkhana is also kinda wild to me, feels like it almost implies base rajang is stronger than scorned maggy, when all the monsters in that "elder fighter" tier were generally made to be similar in power among each level they have.
I get wanting less draws for the sake of more details on the ranking of monsters in the local food chain, but it feels like a waste of time when a monster trots into the area, gets in a turf war with your target, and the target monster wins, leaving zero reward for the hunter in a circumstance that really couldn't have been avoided.
Here’s how I’d redesign the Iceborne turfs to be more similar to Sunbreak Removed altogether: Brutes vs Rathalos Zinorge vs Brutes Odo vs Brutes Ratha’s recyle of Ajanath fight for Glavenus Rajang vs Elders (Nergi fight stays) Velkhana’s recyle Unchanged fights (copy-pasted versions removed): Both Banbaro fights Odogron vs Tigrex (Tigrex wins) Odogron vs Legiana (Odo wins) Fulgur vs Diablos Deviljho vs Namielle Ruiner and Rajang vs Deviljho Rajnag vs Kirin Rajnag vs Flying wyverns (Only Pukepei is removed) Reworked fights (copy-pasted versions removed): Fulgur vs Tigrex Changed little to reflect Tigrex’s pin and Tigrex wins (that or removed since its similar to my plans for Tigrex vs Barioth) Zimorge vs Ratha and Yian Same until Zinorge shakes off opponent after which Rath/Yian flying up, fireball Zino before swooping down and slamming him on floor (Rath/Yian Win) Velkhana vs Nergante Nergi rushes Velk who dodges, tail swipes to keep Nergi back, before blasting him with ice. Nergi shakes it off and lunges again and slams Velk from midair to the ground, to which Velk stabs him while summons ice to rain into Ruiner and run (tie) Rathalos vs Nargacuga Narga dodges initial strike and tail swipes Rath away, lunges at Rath but stopped by fireball and picked up before being tossed down (Ratha wins) New Turf Wars: Barioth vs Tigrex Tigrex charges at Barioth who jumps away before they clash like big cats and Tigrex pins Bari. Bari shoots ice at Tigrex and tries to run but Tigrex jumps onto Barioth and slams him across ground (Tigrex wins) Brachy vs Glavenus They charge and Brachy blocks Glavenus slash with arm, Glavenus turns around 360 to slash Brachy and knock him over, lunges to and tries biting his neck, Brachy punches thrice onto Glavenus to fend him off and gets in a head slam as he does. Glavenus backs up and they size each other up before Brachy slimes explodes Glavenus (Brachy wins)
Just getting into the mh series but something that would be interesting because i don't think i have seen this brought up is the damage we do to a monster affec the turf war
Lunagaron vs zinogre has a cool build up, but when the action starts they both move in slow motion. Seregios gets a mid turf with gore, and doesnt get to fight rathalos? Magnamalo out maneuvering flying wyverns and elders in the feels like plot armor.
1:30 That's untrue, it's there since at least Gen 2, probably Gen 1. I have seen Velocidrome and Velociprey attack Rathian many times, in fact my first Rathian quest on MH Dos was won because a Velociprey jumped on the Rathian and killed it, with me being far from it, so it wasn't aiming at me. This comment will probably get ignored after all this time but it's important to give merit where it's due.
Did you guys know that there were sort of turf wars in all monster hunter? They are still hitting each other so it is sort of turf war but with cheaper damage
So in World and Rise we had turf wars in game so if we go back and play MHGU and two monsters entered the same area even if they hit each other they couldn't deal damage
No? Monsters could always deal damage to each other even in games like Freedom Unite, it's just that the added damage numbers made monster v monster damage more obvious
I don't care about recycled animations. They're still really cool for old school fans. However, I did not realize until watching this that they always had the same outcome. I think they should make it a 50/50 or give a chance for an upset if the typically stronger monster has enough parts broken. It would be cool.
For me it makes sense Chameleos has NO Turf War especially with other Elders. If you analyse Chameleos, you can figure out that Chameleos is not a Predator, his abilities are evolved to avoid fights. Clearly you can use invicebility and heavy toxins for offence behaviors, but thats not the deal of it. like a venomous Snake, who bites his prey and let it run away to die. On top speaking the facts, he has no carapace, his skin isn't build to resist damage, i don't know if Capcom ever said what Chameleos is eating, but i would say he lives up to his Chamelon paragon and eats Bnahambras, Vespoids and other Stuff like that and bullies smaller Creatures like Pukei Pukei does if he can. The only Turf Wars i think he would have would be Nergigante and maybe Malzeno in Fact of Nergi can shut down his invincebility and Malzo could find him with the curios who are maybe able to sence him by his Blood. Espinas stands on the oposite side of the Board. He is a Predator and has a highly evolved Carapace to resists heavy damage. Yes his Elemental/Status-abilities aren't that strong like Chameleos, but all over more build for fighting a Kushala than Chameleos, which his Turf War showcases perfectly. I hope you understand what i want to say, my english isn't really good at all ^^"
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Love u bro, keep up with the good work
Fun fact: the reason why damage numbers were added in 5th gen is so that players would know how much damage monsters dealt each other in turf wars
That 20th anniversary video was so good
@@HeavyWings agreed, I find it fitting that bazelgeuse was in 52nd place
@@HeavyWings never been so focused on an interview before lmao.
It’s also 10% of their max hp, which is great.
Turf wars indirectly lead to a shittier multiplayer experience🥲🥲🥲🥲.
I truly loved the concept of turf wars when I first saw them and felt like it gave the games a lot more of that real life feel with the ecology
Yeah they're pretty good!
The fact that Pukei didn't have a base World turf war but got one with Rajang in IB will never not be funny to me
They made sure to carry it over for Rise too lmao
I can almost see Pukei's face light up in excitement since it got a turf war only for it to fade away as soon as it realize it was with a Rajang lmao
Pukei :
I finally got a turf war 😄
Its against rajang 😟
Pukei: Why did it have to be Rajang?
@@HeavyWings i mean technically the Pukei vs Rajang turfwar makes sense lore wiese
lore says that Pukei flees from larger dangers but loves to bully smaller monsters then him
and if im not wronge Rajang is actually size wise smalelr then Pukei
so in the turfwar Pukei thinks he can bully Rajang away then gets his ass kicked
I love that the tzitzi just flashbangs and then leaves
First time I witnessed that I just went:
“Motherfucker, don’t leave me with a blinded Odogaron!”
@@radiogobrrrrrrr1949 i remember fighting a paolumu, tzitzi appeared when the paolumu was angry (flying with the inflated neck), flashbangs and the paolumu falls to the ground
@@ArtDumbsterBro just flashes and dips without elaborating. He just says “Shut up!”
@@31thievesWhen it flashes Odogaron, Odog bites it and screams at it.
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 I just saw the turf war and you’re right. I do apologize for my earlier oversight.
It's neat that Rajang can actually bypass the restriction where Kirin's horn can only break at 32% HP or lower, and that it has another slightly different turf war animation if the horn is already broken
That's something I should have mentioned, yeah
Bishaten vs Almudron goes so hard for no reasons but I love it
It's a really underrated turf war!
This is I think my favorite turf war I've seen in Rise/Sunbreak. I havent' had a chance to see the others with Malenzo, Magnamalo, and Valk in peson yet.
"the standard anjanath we all know and.... know" NOOO LEAVE HIM ALONE
NEVER!
Leave my baby boy go. Anjanath my baby boy
Anjanath is like my favorite Wyvern. Y U bully him?
I hope they use the turf wars like in base World in Wilds. Learning the pecking order that way was awesome!
I hope so too!
Actually Great Girros sometimes "fights" Odogaron. When the Player hunts Odogaron and Girros is there and spots them it charges towards the Odogaron and bites it, leaving Odo paralyzed and then Girros focuses on the Player.
Odogaron has a fight with every large monster living in theValentine's, even Vaal Hazak but sometimes he can get carried away in his work. Like when Deviljho appears.
I really hope in the future Queen Seltas returns with a turf war where she throws a Seltas at a Deviljho only for it get instantly devoured that would be hilarious
8:10 very sad you didn't mention that Tzitzi does have unmarked turf wars, where the little bastard shows up, flashbangs your target, and leaves. Tzitzi is my favorite CoD player
I think the monsters in Rise having to move to a certain area before having a turf war is unintentionally funny. It's like they're both saying "I'm gonna beat you to death but first let's move to a desirable area"
It's crazy that someone has a positive mindset about this bc it's incredibly tilting to me. Monsters already run away a shit ton in rise, then the maps are gigantic, and on top of all that they'll randomly decide, "yea I'm gonna go beef with this monster I detected across the map for no reason at all".
@@temphy you must be fun at parties lol
I’m convinced that if capcom made a fighting game with monsters it would sell like crazy
nah, i want 'The Isle' but monster hunter monsters.
Rajang would be the most powerful fighter and the game would die within weeks, sadly :(
Never played monster hunter rise?
Monster Hunter: The Pokémon Edition.
I'd main Glavenus 100%
There are minor details about Aknosom vs Somnacanth turf war I'd like to point out:
When Somnacanth spreads the sleep gas, your hunter can fall asleep too, and while Aknosom just sleeps there (with a new sleeping animation lmao) Somnacanth just runs away.
Also, with Auroracanth, instead of spreading the sleep gas, it just makes Aknosom fall over.
That turf war is so underrated!
Auroracanth smacking Aknosom out of the sky and then to the side just because will never not be funny to me
@@JustZen53122 pure disrespect
Fun fact about Odogaron. He's actually pretty competent against Vaal.
One time, I was hunting Vaal and Odo showed up, lost the turf war, and ran off. A little while later, he came back, and the turf war didn't proc, and he proceeded to body Vaal. His speed and power statistically counter Vaal. It was pretty amazing, especially for me as someone who loves Odo. He's tied with Nargacuga as my favorite non Elder dragon. I like to think since I was in full Odogaron gear that he was backing me up!
I feel like they wouldn’t back up a person wearing armor made from parts of other odogaron lol. Maybe seeing that made them mad and they took it out on Vaal.
Monsters using attacks intended for use against the hunter does not represent how they'd behave in a more... cinematic, encounter. Hence *why* Turf Wars exist
Rathalos has a tail swipe but would have actual brain damage if it were to do so against an Anjanath over its venomous talons
Vaal still beats the fuck out of clifford
@IndominusRex-wc1ey
The turf war *shows* the way Vaal beats Clifford.
In the turf war he's faster. Vaal wins due to his effluvia.
So, going by the turf war specifically, the thing we know is that Odo is faster than Vaal. Take away his magic BS power and Odo looks plenty better
@dr.calibrations7984 "I'm sure to win because my speed is superior" ass reply
Yes, the turf war shows Vaal winning via effluvia. That does not equivalate to that being his ONLY win condition. Speed isn't the only factor in a fight lol, in the turf war Odogaron does barely anything to Vaal
Odogaron canonically has shit vision and relies on smell, by all means Vaal is practically invisible in the Vale becuase of that because Vaal smells of rotten death, but the entire environment also smells of rotten death. Odogaron can BARELY see what's in front of him, and can't smell out Vaal even if Vaal was in front of him
Vaal also easily out-classes on physicals. Odogaron cowers from and is mauled by Deviljho, but Blackveil (which doesn't differ much physically, if at all, from base Vaal) is able to push around with Deviljho and beam-clash with him
Vaal wins with or without effluvia. Odo's ONLY advantage in this MU is speed and literally nothing else
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey So now we are leaving the turf war?
Speed isn't the only factor, of course, but many fighters have made a career on speed feats. If Vaal can get a good hold on Odo, he's cooked sure, but considering Odo is capable of getting on the ED's back, which is a bad position to defend from, he could do a lot of damage. In the turf war, he doesn't do anything before the effluvia gets him, but saying, in a rather rude way, that Vaal stomps by using the turf war as the example, is just asinine. We are both biased, but I admit that I'm looking for the win condition on a literal underdog against an ecological threat would you admit that you have a bias for the Vaal or are you going to say "objectively Vaal would win no diff 100% of the time." And is that condition based on the turf war or something else?
I loved how you possibly made us discover new turf wars as I didn't know the late sunbreak fights. A turf war I would have loved to see is Tigrex vs Diablos where the desert tyrant charge into Tigrex only to get repelled by a 360. Diablos follows with an attempted ambush like Rathian but get countered by Tigrex's roar. Tigrex finishes with either a charge breaking Diablos' horn or throws a boulder to stun him. Black Diablos would spin the fight by going further than regular Diablos to launch a jumping attack throwing Tigrex to the ground then finishes the fight with a tail slam. The winner leaves to eat since the fight is tiring.
I think it would be a cool representation of both monsters' strengths and weaknesses and would change from the recycled turf wars.
I didn't know there was a Turf War Between Alm and Bishitan but that might just be because I didn't encounter the two often on the same quest
Yeah Tigrex vs Diablos is one of those turf wars I'm surprised doesn't exist, considering they're both in the desert a lot.
Same with Zinogre vs Nargacuga; also doesn't.
@@HeavyWingsIt would be cool if weirder monsters like Kezu or the crabs to get a turf war that why I would like old monsters to come back
Deviljoh: uses its immensely powerful jaws to lift prey off the ground.
Rajang: HERE COMES A GIANT FIST!!!!.
If i remember correctly, one of the first FIRST interactions bewteen monsters is how Velociprey will attack Rathian/Rathalos in the first generation, but my memory is a but fuzzy about it
TECHNICALLY the first turf war was in MH2/MHP2nd/MHF2
the velociprey in the jungle nest area would directly attack rathian (and possibly other monsters?) when you topple them specifically in that area, this was a running theme whenever that map appeared in the franchise, i think they may even possibly do it in sunbreak though im not sure on that one.
I only saw the turf war between Lunastra and Velkhana once, and it was exactly in the same spot in the guiding lands, and they were also clipping through the rocks lol
Yeah that turf war was definitely built for the open air lmao.
primordial malzeno VS velkhana is mad disrespectful... she got absolutely WRECKED.
very cool turf war showing off primordial's unique abilities though, especially compared to base malzeno
Honestly, this might be the coolest History/Evolution video you've done. I love the thoroughness and analysis of each of the turf wars, especially since they're relatively tricky to make happen in Rise/Sunbreak. And damn are those unique Rise/Sunbreak turf wars sweet. I love Malzeno and Primordial so much, plus Velkhana's new unique fights are stunning.
Would be cool if they started off with some recycled turf wars in order to have every possible large monster interaction potentially result in a turf war, but then change the recycled ones post-release to make them more unique from each-other. That way, the team could have more turf wars and the community can deliver feedback on the recycled ones on how to make them unique (like having great wroggy spray poison at a brute wyvern grabbing it).
I’ve been replaying world iceborne recently, and I realized just how cool turf wars are. I hope we get more wilds info soon. We’ve basically had nothing since that reveal trailer.
Let them cook. I reckon we'll see the next trailer at Summer Game Fest.
Turf Wars have become my fave feature, i wish we got a different variation to just "Win/Loss" and "Tie":
"Dodge"
It plays out as normal, but the weaker monster dodges at the last moment, escaping the zone in hurry while the stronger one crashes into the ground and gets damaged. It would technically be a "Win/Loss" as only one gets damaged, but that would be a neat switcheroo and open up more Turf Wars in general + a chance for smaller monsters to be involved.
Also more chances for establishing a pecking order.
This is by far one of the best video from you. I love long detailed video. Keep it up. Hope to see more from older titles and new one too.🏅
Thank you!
49:08 If you could catch it at the end, Apex Zinogre tries to make a final stand but ultimately succumbs and becomes rideable.
It's awesome lol, he breaks out like the other Apexes do, so Amatsu smacks him again.
@@HeavyWings Also you and Utsushi ride him together instead of just you.
Anjanath against Kulu Ya Ku or Great Wroggi feel less like turf wars, and more like beatdowns, imagine if Fulgur was in Sunbreak, and had a turf war with Great Baggi
God it really feels like their poor necks are about to snap, the way their bodies flop around
I think you're putting a bit too much focus on stalemates. It's amazing to see the hierarchy in the World's ancient forest, but it also makes total sense for someone like Nargacuga not fit into it and be a much tougher match up for Rathalos. Also there shouldn't be a 100% clear "this monster is tier x so it beats all of these monsters, but loses to all of these" as it diminishes their strong and weak sides
Yep, it is why I wish Bazel and jho had two turf wars one with Bazel as the aggressor and one with jho as the aggressor to show this
I literally only knew of magnalamo turfwars in Rise
Without this vid i would've never seen any other rise turfwar
Yeah it's mad, there's quite a few!
Black Diablos and Diablos also have a random chance for either to win and not just Glavenus and Rathalos, I have thought Black Diablos always wins but I saw it in a quest and I was surprised I guess. I didn't even break off his horns! Diablos vs. Diablos has always been my favorite, Velkhana and Malzeno will be my 2nd, I remember seing it in the ecology videos and then I see it in-game.
I'd like to point out that the Seregios and Magala fight makes so much sense, as Seregios the first Apex of 4U. The Turf war of Rise implies that Seregios got infected but was strong enough to fight Magala, and through it overcome the virus.
i absolutely love how deviljho in world always walks around with a smaller monster in his jaws like a dog with a stick
Monster Hunter Wilds is completely revamping the turf war mechanic and fleshing it out. I believe they won’t have a predetermined winner every time. Very excited for it
i like how even though yeah tzitzi ya ku doesnt have a turf war he wont hesitate to flash anyone and run away lmfao
Absolute disrespect from maggie with that turf war. When i first saw magnamalo's turf war, i was just watching the fireworks until i got 2 giant wyverns to the face. I'd be lying if i said it didn't make me jump a little bit 😂😂
While not part of the turf wars, at the very least Brachy can put slime on other monsters, which later explodes. Such wasted potential
I know that can happen but have never seen it in-person. It's so interesting how they coded that but never implemented in his turf wars. Maybe at one point they wanted to.
@@HeavyWings i know right
Turf Wars in Rise don't always end in Wyvern Riding. They can still sometimes war and then get back up to fight a little bit afterwards when they're cooling down from Wyvern Riding.
I'm still shocked that Rajang and Garangolm didn't have a turf war
We literally have two monke in the new game
And they didn't even bother staring at it
Malzeno and Velkhana’s turf war gives off real divorced energy ngl
I never even noticed the recycling of turf wars. They all looked so cool to me. Monke vs elder dragons makes me wonder how it would fair vs fatalis.
LET THEM FIGHT !!
I think the best part of the turf wars is seeing how much more damage the monsters deal than we do.
Like, yeah, we’re strong and clever, but these creatures absolutely brutalize each other.
I want to see variants of the same turf wars, like for Rathalos has alot of recycled animations, maybe one is he picks up the other monster, but other times he just goes for a claw swipe, or sweeping fire.
Additionally, I think it was in IB, but sone turf wars had a random chance for either side to win, it'd be cool to see that in Wilds too. If Garangolm and Lunagaron come back, maybe during the ice breath part, sometimes Garangolm can power through and smack Lunagaron.
If I had a nickel for every time you uploaded a video while we were playing Helldivers together, I'd have 2 nickels.
Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Great video, I think it's worth mentioning the disparity of turf wars that include Tigrex, Nargacuga and Barioth. Although they are flying wyverns, I do think it is important to note that they exclusively have a different skeleton compared to to other flying wyverns like the raths and all the way to something like Legiana. In my head I always classified Tigrex and the other two as "Gen 2 flying wyverns" as opposed to The much more standardised Gen 1 flying wyvern skeleton. I always thought this to be the reason why any turf wars including them were heavily recycled.
This should be pointed out to devs in order for them to make properly distinguished turf wars showcasing every monsters unique ability or way of fighting!
Fun fact: if glavunus and rathalos fight is the upper levels of the ancient forest and elders recces rathalos is the victor.
I’m also decently not a fan of magnamalo’s base turf wars. For one they are all copy and pastes and for two he absolutely breaks my immersion with how this huge fanged wyvern could literally fly thanks to hell fire.
Also what a way to disrespect bazelgeuse by ignoring his blast prof carapace and his own bombs not to mention they can hold own against a nergiangte and had the strangth to escape jhos jaws. It’s just utter Garbo to me.
It’s just one of the reasons that magnalmo is my least favoured fanged wyvern. Scored is pretty cool for how edgy he looks.
The two Malzeno vs Velkhana turf wars are so cool oh my god
Sunbreak goes really hard with its turf wars
Unironically
Rathalos' copy and pasted turf wars in Rise are unironically really good imo
Cuz they allow you to see what large monsters it preys upon with little to no resource cost.
I think that territorial turf wars should be less and unique, but giving apex carnivores a copy and pasted hunting turf war where it smashes a bunch of medium sized monsters... maybe give them a chance to instakill that monster if it is not a target too!
Yeah not all recycled turf wars are bad, those Rathalos ones still work well because there's not much his opponents can do against him.
@@HeavyWings i mean Kulu who is famous for using tools (rocks) coudl at least try to smack him out with a rock throw
i mean the whole Gimmick of Kulu was more or less that theyr quite smart for monster Standards cause they can use "tools" and know how to use a rock to block attacks ( it understands that a rock can block stuff)
so giving them some turfwars showing that off would have been great
imo it would also have been unique and funny if these turfwars would not end in a clear winner or a tie when kulu "wins"
a : kulu gets his butt kicked cause the oponent is to strong
b : kulu hits the oposing Monster with the rock dealing minimal dmg but knocking it down and kulu then runs away
some i would have come up with
Barroth vs Kulu Barroth charges Kulu throws the rock hitting Barroth on the head mid charge bringing him slightly off balance and making him stumble and crash but the whole speed/momentum makes barroth still slide towards kulu knocking them down too
Kulu vs Rajang
Kulu throws the rock ..but Rajang catches it looking at the rock while Kulu is kinda "mind blown" then Rajang throws the rock back knocking Kulu down with it
(kinda like the ,,well this didnt worked out as planed situation)
Kulu vs Bishaten
where bishaten bombs Kulu with fruits Kulu trys to dodghe then digs up a rock and blocks some fruits with it
making bishaten realeise ,,ok ,,,i should leave
and when bishaten turns aroudn Kulu slam dunks the rock on bishaten
i could also see this other where after kulu has the rock bishaten thinks its ok
then kulu throwes the rock at bishaten and bishaten throws the furit
the fruit gets knocked away by the rock and the rock hititng bishaten right in the face
these stuff could have been altered quite well
with stronger Monsters where kulu trys to block but the attacks are to strong
or stuff like Kulu throws the rock at like a charging tigrex geting it stuck in its mouth making the tigrex flail around trying to get rid off the rock giving the kulu time to run away
these would also imo give the impressen that kulu themself dont wants to do much with other Monsters
but gets attacked/huntet and then shows that hes not as an easy meal as some Monsters think
@@Kurominos1great ideas, these were very fun to read through and imagine
@@KBird204 thank you
i allways loved the idea more to give the monsters more of an personality especially in turfwars
like Barroth is calm but also easily angered for no reason
somethign i would love to see is some smalelr large Monster havign a turfwar with an Diablos annoying it
and the Diablos jsut walking up and smackign it away with its tail
like saying ,,,tf ? get lost ??!
I didnt know there were turf wars in rise till the Magmamalo hunt, the ground slam was a 2nd surprise.
I think the next step would be to add location based Turf wars kind of like the sand trap in wildspire waste and how diablos uses it to attack barroth, or like how Raging Brachy creates the arena for you to fight in (though sealing the area would be too much maybe). Imagine seeing raging Brachy using his rapid explosion punches to beat another monster.
The constant ties in IB's turf wars make me think that Capcom was scared of making someone's fav monster definitively weaker than another, especially when they're tussling with previous flagships. It reminds me of the Fast and Furious movies, where due to contracts and egos, there can never be a definitive winner in any of the fist fights in those films. Even the number of strikes have to be equal.
kushala is the definition of hydrogen baby when something so powerful yet so weak to poisoning is thrown around by a venomous durian, which makes it quite realistic how it ends up as a tie.
It also makes lore sense since espinas has been known to attack and drive off Kushala in the past
In World it sometimes occurred to me that the 2 monsters met again in the same area for a 2v1, just to later remember that their turf war cooldown is up again. It's really strange, and kinda annoying to deal with, so I hope they make the loser be scared of the winner in the next game. In Rise that kind of happened because any monster that can't be wyvern ridden will just try to get away no matter what.
Tbf the plot of Iceborne was that a lot of these species are getting into places that they weren’t originally I’m pretty sure
Fun Fact everyone Chaotic Gore Magala can Turf War with Seregios bc of a later patch :)
Video or it never happened.
@HeavyWings much like the Malzeno VS Velkhana Turf War, expedition or Anomaly Investigations.
I put 1,200 hours into rise/sunbreak and the only turf war I saw outside of magnamalo vs.... was tetranadon vs arzuros
Man that sucks
I think one additional reason for the many ties in Iceborne might also just be the health totals of the monsters. Since IB monsters have very inflated HP due to the clutchclaw/tenderizing being introduced. adding more ways for free damage helps balance that out for people who haven't gotten as confident with those mechanics or overlooked them.
also it's just kinda sad if a Turf War happens and the monster you are actually hunting doesn't get any damage. in rise since the turf war always triggers wyvern riding and therefore will always give you a good damage opportunity ties don't feel as punishing.
Regular monster attacks triggering wyvern rides is also another reason why they didn't need as many turfwars in the game. You already have a different mechanic that provides the spectacle of two monsters fighting
Here are 3 turf wars I want to see in the future.
1.Gravios vs Rajang
2.Magnamalo vs Zinogre
3.Goss Harag vs Rajang
Man gravios vs akantor turf war but in real gameplay and not just in ecology cinematic video would be so damn awesome
9:16
Bazelgeuse: let my introduce myself
We do see Rajang turn into his Variant of Furious Rajang in MHW Iceborne. So that would actuslly be the first time seeing a monster become a variant in real time
Even after 3 years my friends and I are still surprised by who wins in turf wars!
i wish in the next anniversary or just a huge update of the series we would get like a long hour of monsters just fighting each other and see who is at the top but we know the company would choose the rathians
46:06 weren’t the Anjanath ones originally exclusive?
The winner of the glavinous turf war with rathalos is actually hard coded so rathalos always wins in the higher zones
2:25 interesting that the 3DS can apparently handle something the Wii couldn’t considering their similar specs
7:41 Diablos can’t be an Apex predator though, he’s not a predator
"Apex" in layman ecology is kinda just "whichever ever animal kicks the most ass", which in that case Diablos is that description to a T
In actual ecology, don't gotta eat meat to be the strongest animal in your environment, in fact it's less likely for a predator to have that title than an herbivore
Enjoying this and then I noticed the palico called Darquesse and I'm like...a Skulduggery Pleasant fan? 😂 I hope so but maybe it's a reference to something else
This was really well done, I hope there is a history of final bosses in the future.
A few things
Pretty sure mizu ties with Zinogre. I've always thought of a win as the monster falling over for an extended period, trying to get up, like world, but Mizu doesn't fall over. I suppose the counter argument to this is that by that logic, Primordial Malzeno ties with Velkhana but I feel like the context is different for the conclusion of each fight. Primodial straight up folds Velkhana with a three piece combo definitively winning the fight but Mizu bubbles blasts zinogre, forcing it away.
Pretty sure Standard Magnamalo has a the same turf war as Scarred, with Malzeno.
I feel like there's a Mandela effect going on right now. I coulda sworn the turf war message popped up between Amatsu and Apex Zinogre but looking up TH-cam videos, not a single one showcased that.
I wanna go by technicality on this one. Valstrax has one "Turf War" in Sunbreak with Amatsu because it's the only one monster that actually responds to the ambush. It's always called an ambush but to me, it's always been a turf war.
Still waiting on a unique turf war between Rajang and Brachydios
Its funny how Rajang is so small in comparison to toher monsters, but mostly he ties or wins.
I like to think that the constant ties in turf wars for iceborne represents invasive species and how they change environments
shame that I never seen most of the rise/sunbreak turf wars in the game as the wyvern riding gets in the way
Sunbreak basically said "Power Levels are bullshit "
I personally don't care for recycled turf wars. World's turf wars were something special because of how unique they were. They communicated to you about the world you were in hunting. Iceborne onwards, it's just "animations" at this point. They don't feel that special when basically every monster has at least 1 recycled turf war. In my opinion, they should stay unique, even if that means there isn't a lot of them. Turf wars aren't NEEDED for every monster when they already fight and do damage to each other with basic attacks (Yes this is a thing, even if you don't see the damage numbers except for Rajang and Jho for some reason).
I’m still pissed brachy doesn’t absolutely beat the shit outta the raths with his fist.
I hope in Wilds to "similar power" turf wars, to have 2 different outcomes decided by the monster HP%
It would makes sense if the Monster you're fighting and shipping away their strength to lose a fight they would Tie
and in case both monster are on equal HP% maybe their Size, the one closer to searching Silver/Gold crown wins
overall Ties are kinda boring
I do have a question. Why is the 'power tiers' not being clean an issue again? Like the whole segement around the time stamp 55:23 to 56:00.
Why is is this an issue? These aren't Dragonball characters we are comparing. The 'X monster is MORE POWERFUL than Y monster. Y monster beats Z monster and X monster loses to Z.' isn't a problem, a square version of it happened with the Fated 4 no? Just without turf wars.
To me its sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining about something. I'd appreciate an explanation of the problem rather than glossing over it like its undisputed truth. "Its just seems like a mess to me." Isn't exactly a stunning explanation.
I agree. It's probably from his mindset of a linear pecking order, most of the time, and for their to be a power scaling thing.
This is an issue with the MH community and others in general. It's kinda childish tbh as it's a middle school like thinking.
Not even real life ecosystems always have a straight hierarchy. The food chain mindset is a very simple one. It's more of a food web.
It's not really survival of the fittest but survival of who survives.
(Which is funny when you consider heavy wings showed that while Bazel is strong, he is not a good match up against Magmamalo due to him being an explosive type of monster himself. )
One day a pride of lions take down an elephant. The next day quite a few lions get crushed by same Elephant.
Same with a crocodiles, Buffalo
Snake vs mongoose,
Mongoose vs eagle
Eagle vs snake
Spider vs wasp (Sometimes wasps lay eggs in spiders. Specifically the tarantula wasp)
Wasps vs frogs
Spider vs frogs
(Some spiders will have frogs as "pets" while others prey on them. And frogs can eat spiders.)
I'm mostly speaking of kinds of animals here as there are a lot of species within a kind with many different dynamics.
There's so much more to animals than the basic thinking of predator - prey or MUI Goku beats x characters, X characters beats y, why beats z therefore z can't beat MUI Goku.
(I dare not add more names for a reason)
i always treat TURF WARS as environmental traps but more random.
overall they're awesome audition in the series.
Environmental traps were pretty cool, but I can only remember them happening in the Ancient Forest
You say that stalemates and re-used turf wars deminsh the hierarchy establish by the trur wars in base World but you fail to realize, thats the point. The new monsters introduced in Iceborne are either displaced, caused by the ecological changes taking place, or are invading species altogether. The hierarchy would literally be a mess and naturally monsters would fight eachother based on what they know and have encountered before
I absolutely love turf wars but it's clear there's a few problems, iceborne quantity over quality issue I think stems from
1. Dev short cuts
2. Iceborne Invader problem which results in a lot of copy pasting
3. Feelings like they need to have all the apex level monsters fight, I'd rather have a handful of really good turf wars to show off ecology and rivalry and acutaly take into account each monsters strengths then have a mountain of copy paste,
I also don't like how they are very iron clad in power between monsters, it's a very strict higher rank beats lower rank unless your magnamalo in which case you get to be a spoilt child, or 2 monsters that are 5 star must draw even tho there's a huge disparity in power between monsters at every level, some punching well above thier weight and others acutaly being a lot weaker, like mizutsune and Gravious are not in the same weight class of power what so ever yet they are still considered 5 star monsters
They have also left a lot of rivalrys without turf wars like the raths vs astalos and Seregios or rathian vs glavenus
I have an idea for a brand new exclusive turf wars for monster hunter wilds since wild is teorized to be open world theres could be a posibility for more than 3 monster in one locale so i propose a unique feature calling
-Rathian vs seregios
if a seregios and rathian is this the same locale and both monster saw each other they would have a turf wars BUT if rathian is above 50% heatlh the turf wars would shown as seregios getting the upper hand but rathian manage to escape at the end but if rathian is below 50% heatlh seregios would proceed to beat rathian with no second chance for her but rathian manage to break free and fire a single weak fireball that only pushes seregios away as she proceed to let out a special roar that once finish are followed with a rathalos roar and a dive toward the seregios knocking it down and rathalos came down and proceed to check on rathian before telling her to fly away turn toward seregios and become enraged as a result of seregios hurting his mate that bring to the second one
-rathalos vs seregios
If a rathalos and a seregios is in the same locale or rathalos was called in by rathian and they saw each other they will have a turf wars it will started with seregios firing some sharp scale at rathalos only for rathalos to swat them off with a tailspin after that rathalos going in with a talon strike only for seregios to dodge it as both flying wyvern take to the sky and having an aerial war fair with each other before rathalos manage to grab seregios and slam hin to the ground dealing some damage and pin hin but gets kick off and seregios fire a couple off sharp scale at rathalos pushing him back before flying away in defeat
Wouldve been really nice to see primordial beat the snot out of scorned maggy personally, considering I do not think scorned magnamalo is defeating/fending off gaismagorm like primordial is said to have done, and considering how clearly stronger primordial is than its debilitated form as well.
Base rajang beating velkhana is also kinda wild to me, feels like it almost implies base rajang is stronger than scorned maggy, when all the monsters in that "elder fighter" tier were generally made to be similar in power among each level they have.
I get wanting less draws for the sake of more details on the ranking of monsters in the local food chain, but it feels like a waste of time when a monster trots into the area, gets in a turf war with your target, and the target monster wins, leaving zero reward for the hunter in a circumstance that really couldn't have been avoided.
Here’s how I’d redesign the Iceborne turfs to be more similar to Sunbreak
Removed altogether:
Brutes vs Rathalos
Zinorge vs Brutes
Odo vs Brutes
Ratha’s recyle of Ajanath fight for Glavenus
Rajang vs Elders (Nergi fight stays)
Velkhana’s recyle
Unchanged fights (copy-pasted versions removed):
Both Banbaro fights
Odogron vs Tigrex (Tigrex wins)
Odogron vs Legiana (Odo wins)
Fulgur vs Diablos
Deviljho vs Namielle
Ruiner and Rajang vs Deviljho
Rajnag vs Kirin
Rajnag vs Flying wyverns (Only Pukepei is removed)
Reworked fights (copy-pasted versions removed):
Fulgur vs Tigrex
Changed little to reflect Tigrex’s pin and Tigrex wins (that or removed since its similar to my plans for Tigrex vs Barioth)
Zimorge vs Ratha and Yian
Same until Zinorge shakes off opponent after which Rath/Yian flying up, fireball Zino before swooping down and slamming him on floor (Rath/Yian Win)
Velkhana vs Nergante
Nergi rushes Velk who dodges, tail swipes to keep Nergi back, before blasting him with ice. Nergi shakes it off and lunges again and slams Velk from midair to the ground, to which Velk stabs him while summons ice to rain into Ruiner and run (tie)
Rathalos vs Nargacuga
Narga dodges initial strike and tail swipes Rath away, lunges at Rath but stopped by fireball and picked up before being tossed down (Ratha wins)
New Turf Wars: Barioth vs Tigrex
Tigrex charges at Barioth who jumps away before they clash like big cats and Tigrex pins Bari. Bari shoots ice at Tigrex and tries to run but Tigrex jumps onto Barioth and slams him across ground (Tigrex wins)
Brachy vs Glavenus
They charge and Brachy blocks Glavenus slash with arm, Glavenus turns around 360 to slash Brachy and knock him over, lunges to and tries biting his neck, Brachy punches thrice onto Glavenus to fend him off and gets in a head slam as he does. Glavenus backs up and they size each other up before Brachy slimes explodes Glavenus (Brachy wins)
Just getting into the mh series but something that would be interesting because i don't think i have seen this brought up is the damage we do to a monster affec the turf war
Lunagaron vs zinogre has a cool build up, but when the action starts they both move in slow motion.
Seregios gets a mid turf with gore, and doesnt get to fight rathalos?
Magnamalo out maneuvering flying wyverns and elders in the feels like plot armor.
It was a huge missed opportunity to not see Seregios and Astalos battle
Rathalos and Rathian in Sunbreak
Magnamalo should not have tied against elders
1:30 That's untrue, it's there since at least Gen 2, probably Gen 1.
I have seen Velocidrome and Velociprey attack Rathian many times, in fact my first Rathian quest on MH Dos was won because a Velociprey jumped on the Rathian and killed it, with me being far from it, so it wasn't aiming at me.
This comment will probably get ignored after all this time but it's important to give merit where it's due.
Did you guys know that there were sort of turf wars in all monster hunter? They are still hitting each other so it is sort of turf war but with cheaper damage
That shit ain't a turf war
Odagaron is by far my favorite monster
So in World and Rise we had turf wars in game so if we go back and play MHGU and two monsters entered the same area even if they hit each other they couldn't deal damage
No? Monsters could always deal damage to each other even in games like Freedom Unite, it's just that the added damage numbers made monster v monster damage more obvious
I don't care about recycled animations. They're still really cool for old school fans.
However, I did not realize until watching this that they always had the same outcome. I think they should make it a 50/50 or give a chance for an upset if the typically stronger monster has enough parts broken.
It would be cool.
For me it makes sense Chameleos has NO Turf War especially with other Elders.
If you analyse Chameleos, you can figure out that Chameleos is not a Predator, his abilities are evolved to avoid fights. Clearly you can use invicebility and heavy toxins for offence behaviors, but thats not the deal of it. like a venomous Snake, who bites his prey and let it run away to die. On top speaking the facts, he has no carapace, his skin isn't build to resist damage, i don't know if Capcom ever said what Chameleos is eating, but i would say he lives up to his Chamelon paragon and eats Bnahambras, Vespoids and other Stuff like that and bullies smaller Creatures like Pukei Pukei does if he can. The only Turf Wars i think he would have would be Nergigante and maybe Malzeno in Fact of Nergi can shut down his invincebility and Malzo could find him with the curios who are maybe able to sence him by his Blood.
Espinas stands on the oposite side of the Board. He is a Predator and has a highly evolved Carapace to resists heavy damage. Yes his Elemental/Status-abilities aren't that strong like Chameleos, but all over more build for fighting a Kushala than Chameleos, which his Turf War showcases perfectly.
I hope you understand what i want to say, my english isn't really good at all ^^"
Lunastra and teostra arent the only team attack in the series. Theres nono and kamu orugaron, then Lolo and Ray Gougarf.
Tzitzi:
Approach. Flash. Leave. Repeat.
What did he do to you😭 10:53
HE'S IN THE WAY!
@@HeavyWingspoor jyura always getting shitted on (ik lol)