Hey man. No need to apologize at the end for your videography or English. You did great and probably saved hundreds of people hundreds of dollars. Thanks for the great video! I will be trying this on our 2013 Expedition.
Thanks for posting!! After watching your video, I replaced the wiring harness on my 2011 Lincoln Navigator with this same issue. All good now and my wife is happy to have her heated seats back! I also agree with the comment below this should absolutely be a Ford Recall as they know about the issues with the old harness burning up....
Just had it happen on my 2013 Expedition. Mine has a lifetime full wrap warranty, so the dealer is going to be doing the work but the video is great reference to help explain the issue to the tech and check on their work.
Thank You! SaveMoneyDIY! I just finished the same repair on my 07 Cadillac Escalade. I appreciate that you showed us the Ford Bulletin up close so that we could also note what it was communicating. It is weird, that a Ford fix works for a GM fix? These CSMs are similar and made through the same company. At least Ford is way ahead in dealing with this problem. Your Commentary and stream of consciousness in video were brilliant! I had to snap, crackle, and pop the plug out of the CSM. I bought a new plug along with some wire connectors from Mouser, learning this from RK DTS YT seat fix. I ended up hack-sawing, breaking, and cussing, the wires out, that were stuck in the old plug. I soldered in 12 awg wires to the black ground wire, adding one also to the empty "L" space next to the ground wire (thanks to your commentary and the Ford bulletin) to a new plug that I got from Mouser. The last step was to replace a green 30 amp fuse that is in located up front in the side fuse panel.
Excellent video. Showed all the steps. Have t tried it on our 2012 expedition XL yet, but I’m sure it’s the same issue. Hopefully we won’t have to replace the whole unit. Thanks for taking the time to film and share!
This fixed my issue on my 2011 expedition however I recommend buying larger connectors and also be sure to re wire the color coded wires as before in the same wiring position!
You want to fully seal the connectors it prevents corrosion from moisture in the air and makes the connectors/wires last longer I just ran into this issue on my Taurus it's barely under warranty but I would have changed the module out as that's probably the root cause we will see when I get my Ford dealer to look at it.
If you do this and fix it, it's a great idea to check under the back side of the driver's seat for broken wires too because the broken wires are what caused it to ground out in the first place. This was only half the fix for my issue in my 09 Lincoln Navigator
Phantom Foxy Hi , I’m trying to repair my seats but the dealer says this plug is only available with the complete wiring harness . Can you tell me where where you found the parts ? Thank you for any help you can give me
I have a 2012 Expedition with the same seat issue. Ford has had this problem for a very long time with heated/cooled seats; they also make a ton of money fixing the issue and selling replacement parts. If the module needs replacement it requires programming from a Ford dealer. The question is why? Other than VIN ID's why would you need to program this type of module to operate in a specific vehicle? This should be a Ford defect recall item and no one should be charged for the repair work. It's obviously a defect based on 5 or 6 years of the same types of issues. Ford has some other known issues including peeling/bubbling paint on specific body parts; that's due to improper preparation on aluminum panels (In my case the rear hatch door) prior to painting. Perhaps the real fix for these Ford issues is a class action lawsuit. These defects cost you money and devalue your vehicle. Why should you, or I, pay Ford to correct known issues that are of their making?
I just added a second ground wire to a 2007 I just bought. The previous owner stated he bought a new module. Driver side works fine, just not passenger? I've never heard of programming the module.
I have a 2007 and the heat/ac in the passenger seat will turn on then turn off, you try to push the buttons and the lights just flicker. I tried about but still no go. Driver side works great. Used heavy gauge ground wire and didn't solder, use push connectors. Just bought a couple days ago, previous owner said he got a new module but I don't think he had it programmed. I'm guessing that may solve my problem?
My 2011 Ford Expedition my cooled seats work and the drivers side and second row heated seats work but the passenger side heated front seat don't work. Ground wire is fine. Only thing I can think is its the actual element. Any one else have this issue? If so what was the problem?
2007 Lincoln navigator and has the same problem, pulled my harness and yup it's burned, has anyone tried splicing L and M and do you really need a new harness? Hmmn
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No way... I was about to bring my 2007 Lincoln navigator to the dealership to get fixed... So much money for just something so simple... Thanks 👍👍👍
I bought the wire harness for my 07 Navigator and I used the kit. The heated and cooled seats work now.. Thanks for the video....
Hey man. No need to apologize at the end for your videography or English. You did great and probably saved hundreds of people hundreds of dollars. Thanks for the great video! I will be trying this on our 2013 Expedition.
Thanks for posting!! After watching your video, I replaced the wiring harness on my 2011 Lincoln Navigator with this same issue. All good now and my wife is happy to have her heated seats back!
I also agree with the comment below this should absolutely be a Ford Recall as they know about the issues with the old harness burning up....
1. Thank you for doing this.
2. Your camera work was fine
3. Your English was excellent
This was the issue for my 2013 Expedition. Your video helped me fix my seats. Thanks!
Just had it happen on my 2013 Expedition. Mine has a lifetime full wrap warranty, so the dealer is going to be doing the work but the video is great reference to help explain the issue to the tech and check on their work.
I have the same exact propblem with my 07 Eddie Baur. Thanks for taking the time, saved A LOT of money doing myself.
I’m having the same problem with my 2010 Lincoln MKZ. Thanks for the video!!!!!
Awesome!! I'm having the same problem on my 2007 navigator, now I at least have a starting point to solve the issue.
That was very very helpful, thanks for sharing. I'm having that problem myself with my 2007 Expedition EL. Your video saved me, thanks😃
Thank You! SaveMoneyDIY!
I just finished the same repair on my 07 Cadillac Escalade. I appreciate that you showed us the Ford Bulletin up close so that we could also note what it was communicating. It is weird, that a Ford fix works for a GM fix? These CSMs are similar and made through the same company. At least Ford is way ahead in dealing with this problem. Your Commentary and stream of consciousness in video were brilliant!
I had to snap, crackle, and pop the plug out of the CSM. I bought a new plug along with some wire connectors from Mouser, learning this from RK DTS YT seat fix.
I ended up hack-sawing, breaking, and cussing, the wires out, that were stuck in the old plug. I soldered in 12 awg wires to the black ground wire, adding one also to the empty "L" space next to the ground wire (thanks to your commentary and the Ford bulletin) to a new plug that I got from Mouser. The last step was to replace a green 30 amp fuse that is in located up front in the side fuse panel.
Thank you for making this video! I have the same issue. I can now fix it!
Great video, thank you. You saved me lots of time...!
Excellent video. Showed all the steps. Have t tried it on our 2012 expedition XL yet, but I’m sure it’s the same issue. Hopefully we won’t have to replace the whole unit. Thanks for taking the time to film and share!
Did it fix it on your 2012? I have a 2012 and am curious.
Was my issue as well! Great video, thanks for the info!
Your english is great. Thanks for the info and demonstration!
Thank for posting. Please sent the link to the TSB !!
I was searching for a long time for this issue, I have a Lincoln Navigator 2012 it might have the same problem.Thank's for making this video.
I have the exact same problem
2012 Expedition; same problem.
Same issue with mine! Thanks for posting.
I think you did very good your video was actually her English was fine and thank you it was a lot of help and fix my problem
Thank You!! I have the same issue with 2012 Ford Expedition XLT
Thanks for the great video!!
This fixed my issue on my 2011 expedition however I recommend buying larger connectors and also be sure to re wire the color coded wires as before in the same wiring position!
Great video! Thank you!
Thanks for making the vid
Thanks it really help me
Big help! Thanks!
Awesome . I will do it on mine for sure .
Great Video
Wpt-928 is the oem number. They sell them on eBay and Amazon
This number may help also
3u2z-14s411-zmb
You want to fully seal the connectors it prevents corrosion from moisture in the air and makes the connectors/wires last longer
I just ran into this issue on my Taurus it's barely under warranty but I would have changed the module out as that's probably the root cause we will see when I get my Ford dealer to look at it.
Great job
If you do this and fix it, it's a great idea to check under the back side of the driver's seat for broken wires too because the broken wires are what caused it to ground out in the first place. This was only half the fix for my issue in my 09 Lincoln Navigator
You can also use a cigarette lighter to shrink the wrapping
My lincoln navigator works now!
Phantom Foxy Hi , I’m trying to repair my seats but the dealer says this plug is only available with the complete wiring harness . Can you tell me where where you found the parts ? Thank you for any help you can give me
Same for the 2011 expeditions
Jay Roberson yeah. Just fixed mine
Do you have a link for the wiring harness by any chance? I cannot find the part.
I have a 2012 Expedition with the same seat issue. Ford has had this problem for a very long time with heated/cooled seats; they also make a ton of money fixing the issue and selling replacement parts. If the module needs replacement it requires programming from a Ford dealer. The question is why? Other than VIN ID's why would you need to program this type of module to operate in a specific vehicle?
This should be a Ford defect recall item and no one should be charged for the repair work. It's obviously a defect based on 5 or 6 years of the same types of issues. Ford has some other known issues including peeling/bubbling paint on specific body parts; that's due to improper preparation on aluminum panels (In my case the rear hatch door) prior to painting. Perhaps the real fix for these Ford issues is a class action lawsuit. These defects cost you money and devalue your vehicle. Why should you, or I, pay Ford to correct known issues that are of their making?
I just added a second ground wire to a 2007 I just bought. The previous owner stated he bought a new module. Driver side works fine, just not passenger? I've never heard of programming the module.
do you have the weblink to the service manual recall directions?
I have a 2007 and the heat/ac in the passenger seat will turn on then turn off, you try to push the buttons and the lights just flicker. I tried about but still no go. Driver side works great. Used heavy gauge ground wire and didn't solder, use push connectors. Just bought a couple days ago, previous owner said he got a new module but I don't think he had it programmed. I'm guessing that may solve my problem?
Will this be also for an 05 expedition having the same issue turns off In a few seconds
How do you combine l&m together to the single ground wire??
Thank you! This helps alot!
I have the EXACT same problem on my 2007 Ford Freestyle. Where did you order the wiring from? No links in the description
Read my comment
This should be a recall issue from Ford
I think so too
Ford doesn't like to admit fault.
GM also uses this same module,same issue
its not a risk of injury or death so it doesnt warrant a recall which is why its a TSB (technician service bulletin).
I dont see a link to the tsb. I am having the same problem on my wife's expedition.
I have the same problem with my 08 Taurus
Same issue with my lincoln town car 11
It's called a wiring harness
Do you have the link to the tsb?
where is the link to the TSB ???
The tsb is gone. Pls repost.
My 2011 Ford Expedition my cooled seats work and the drivers side and second row heated seats work but the passenger side heated front seat don't work. Ground wire is fine. Only thing I can think is its the actual element. Any one else have this issue? If so what was the problem?
Is the fix only on the passenger side or do you have to do this on both sides?
Just the one side. There is only one module for both seats
2007 Lincoln navigator and has the same problem, pulled my harness and yup it's burned, has anyone tried splicing L and M and do you really need a new harness? Hmmn
Here's a vid where they spliced instead of buying the new module.
m.th-cam.com/video/3-Y96XsFsZw/w-d-xo.html
Just replace one wire, the burned up ground, 2 minute job
The plug is clearly burnt up not the wore
Scroll down, someone posted the TSB on this forum. www.ford-trucks.com/forums/915776-heated-and-cooled-seat-has-stopped-working-on-my-07-expy.html
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