Responses to all points. 1: You could go to jail, this one is correct unless you live in America. 2: He needs to be wearing a jacket. This is false, you can find videos online of people getting thrown into the ground wearing only t-shirts. 3: You need to get close. This point is incedibly valid... for all forms of physical altercation ever. Unless you're having an archery battle or running away why on earth wouldn't you be close to your opponant?
I'm a police officer,I use judo all the time to control people that start resisting and get assaultive, keeps them safe and me safe. Everyone says Jiu jitsu for self defense, but a combination of judo and jiu jitsu is best
Maybe in Brazil people don't wear jacket, but in Europe or in Russia (where there's only 2 months when people don't wear jacket) they usually do wear clothes 😄 moreover 80% of all judo throws are absolutely applicable even in no-gi/clothes situation. Sometimes it's even easier to apply judo throws because in no-gi no one can stiff-arm you by gripping your gi/clothes so hard that you can't approach him for a throw (in that case you must break his grip first or solve this problem another way). And for example many judokas and even more sambo players are more used to close-tight wrestling style
There are a bunch of things that I disagree with in this vid: 1. If you throw someone who tries to attack you to intentionally injure or kill you, then you do have the right to even use deadly force in many places. 2. There are throws that don’t require clothes
Nice Perspective, OG! Agree with all the points. Other point is we would like not to wrestle and make our cloths Dirty. ..Striking is better,is controllable,range maintainable...but Good to have Judo as O e more tool if parties get very close physically. Another thing is Biting,Eye Gouging, Striking etc points are not considered in Judo..so judo player might not be factoring in such things.(weapons u included)
Cool video as usually man!! I agree with reason #1 because in Japan from the moment we start practicing martial arts we are in advantage against someone who doesn't do anything and will get arrested and judged more severely. My only fear is if someone with a knife attacked me and I defend myself. #3 is the reason why I like aikido, which doesn't depend on getting the opponent's lapel. I guess the ideal combination for self-defense is a grappling martial arts such as judo, BJJ or sambo with a striking martial art such as karate or muay tai. In my case I'm practicing judo, gojuryu karate and aikido.
I think you’re all set with those 3 things for self defense brother. One day i’d like to take up Aikido, im starting to realize that it might have many benefits that other arts dont have.
Thanks for your reply brother. Aikido is a very misunderstood martial art, because people talk about it COMPARING it to other arts but forget that aikido is based on a non-violence mentality, but can be used to cause damage if that’s the purpose of the practitioner. It has stuff not found in some arts such as disarming and deals with situations where judokas would probably not know hot to act such as grabbing one’s fists,arm or grabbing from behind.I guess aikido has added a lot to my judo in the case of “kuzushi “ , balance on top of the spatial perception.
@gengotaku honestly i would take it up one day when ll have more time, im sure i can get lots out of it as well, and yes lol, Judoka wouldn’t know how to act in so many ways because they dont train for certain things.
I was thinking the same thing my friend! Here in the United States I think going before a judge regarding a self-defense situation or an assault charge using the grappling Arts of Judo wrestling and jiu jitsu look way better on you than if you struck someone violently with punches or kicks! Judo has a reputation in the martial arts Community as being a less aggressive option via restraining the opponent in contrast to beating the dog shit out of them with punches and kicks and most judges will see that for what it is and your charge won't be as harsh if you simply took someone down and put them in an arm lock or chokehold
Agreed! A good toss oughta look better than a curb stomp. Although I wish no one had to worry about legal issues for defending themselves. When I was in school a kid got banged up bad by a punk druggy in the locker bays. The kid who just took all of the bully’s hits was much stronger, just naturally built like a bull but very laidback and quiet, and I asked why he didn’t lay into him, he said he was afraid he’d get expelled because of the “0 Tolerance” policy for fighting. It’s always the law abiding people who are hurt the worst by all of our rules.
@@OGFITNESS Hey bro, you forgot to mention one more thing about the weakness of Judo. Judo sucks against a giant like Martyn Ford. How you can takedown a giant like him? It's almost impossible.
Osoto Gari is often cited as a highly dangerous throw for the street, however when I did it to restrain someone in the street a few years ago I was able to do so using reasonable force, and holding his head so it didn’t touch the pavement. Also, he was wearing a T-shirt,and it was no problem.
For one on one Judo is good. But multiple attacker? How? With weapon or no weapon it is foolish to use Judo. Any kinds of throw will leave you open and vulnerable for attacks from every single corner or angle. You grab one guy, uchi mata him, one of his friends coming from the back hit you with a bottle, bammm!! You failed to do uchi mata and fall to the ground bleeding profusely. Let's see, we have soei nage. Bamm! His two other friends simultaneously hit you with fist and kicks while you're trying to lift the guy. Next, what do we have? Osoto Gari? One of my favorite technique. Bamm! Maybe two or more people jump right from behind and from the side and hit you while you're trying to Osoto Gari the other person. What if you run into someone like Martyn Ford? You think you can Judo takedown a person who is a giant like Martyn Ford? You're delusional if you think that. But, if you still think Judo can takedown giants, tell me how? Or even better provide me your proof or a video of a judoka successfully takedown a giant on the street. It's better to use boxing, throw jabs and cross, stay on your feet and keep moving. Try to avoid going to the ground. If things got out of hand, run. You can find lots of videos of boxers fight against multiple attackers on the street for example the popular one, Turkish boxer. But you don't find a judoka throws multiple attackers on the street. And it's funny there a lots of BJJ street fight compare to Judo street fight videos. Bottom line, BJJ, Judo, Wrestling and some other grappling art like Dumog (Filipino wrestling), Shuai Jiao (chinese wrestling) are not only bad, but sucks hard for multiple opponent. I've wasted my time learning Judo and BJJ. I should have invested my time more in Boxing.
That was a long answer. Obviously you don’t want to go to the ground with multiple attackers. It’s no often you meet giants and you wanna stay away. I fought in the streets when I was young and many times by myself against multiple attackers. I wouldn’t recommend it. But what worked really well for me was just avalanching straights a’la Vitor Belfort against Wanderlei Silva. Imagine someone half running towards you and just wont stop punching, it overwhelms anyone but a real trained fighter. But, when you know you can fight, you really don’t have to. Next, I’m gonna learn Judo at 38.
Ive used judo in self defense, woked great. It was O soto gari, didnt grab any clothes. I have a friend of mine that pulled off tai otoshi on someone just using there tshirt. I also have some judoka buddies of mine that are police. They use judo all the time.
Good to see you mention about reasonable force. A lot of people, especially in the self defence community don't really talk about reasonable force and the law. I will say, I think the leg sweeps are good for self defense, especially over the other throws. I will also add if you're interested in learning self defense, you need to train in a system like Krav Maga, that teaches you a wide range of subjects. Which includes, •Multiple attackers •Defending against weapons •If it is legal in your country, learn how to use weapons •Scenario training •De-escalation skills •Awareness training •The pre and post fight •Have some understanding about your country's self defense law, just in case you have to justify your actions in court. I would use sports or traditional martial arts, in this case, Judo, as a supplement on top of the self defense training.
i have been krav maga instructor for a long while and it absolutely sucks in conparison to other functional martial arts like olympic wrestling, judo, Bjj, boxing. tones of time is wasted for cooperative drills that don't translate well to live real fighting. you are almost always better off with solid wrestling and boxing than any of that crap
@@frederickmorton275 Which Krav Maga organisation are you with? I'm with KMG. Of course you're going to develop a lot of sparring type skills from sports martial arts, but you're not going to learn the kind of skills I pointed out. I have done sports martial arts, like Kickboxing, and Judo, but I didn't feel like my needs were met until after I started training with KMG.
@@Liam1991 same organisation as you although back then it was called IKMF but Eyal Yanilow was head instructor of it. I have been on countless seminars with Eyal himself and other high ranked gurus that are experts at technique demonstration but absolute crap fighters. I'm still fortunate that my section was ran by former judo black belt that also loved live sparring so he made it quite functional having said that still a lot of times was wasted on useless techniques rather than drilling techniques that can be applied directly in sparring. there was one club ran by Jarek Rogowski in Poland who was 17 years ago already bjj blue belt with very good wrestling background and experience in sanda, I saw him sparring with other instructors at Eyal yanilows seminar and they had absolutely no arguments in any aspect of fighting. it was already at that time that my bubble started bursting. I went to few training sessions at his club when I was 18 I think but I wasn't quite ready for that intensity back then, he wasn't wasting time for anything that couldn't be directly applied in sparring and his students had all good grappling base and boxing. Google his name and see his videos, apart of his krav maga that really isn't krav maga at all I can't see anything else online that makes much sense. I would stick to wrestling/judo, bjj and nsome boxing
With respect, you are obviously a very accomplished martial artist, but I have to ask how many real life violent situations have you been involved in? Geoff Thompson (among others) cite Judo, along with probably boxing, as being one of THE most effective systems for self defence. Sorry if this sounds accusatory, but I don’t really understand your point in this video.
i mean i do agree with you but same goes to any other martial art be that bjj, wrestling, must Thai or boxing. each one of those specialises in its field and only partially covers other areas. judo does cover one aspect of fighting quite well- stand up grappling when in clothing: clinch work, good balance on our feet and possible counters if someone tries to bring us down, forward momentum of opponent can be used to advantage, good leg sweeps, great cutting distance to leg sweets or throws. now granted it can be harmful to attacker and u thought it myself lately that it is very difficult to try to throw someone mildly, you either go all out or it doesn't work
I really wish more people would think about this when talking about self defense. It's not effective self defense to do something that will put you in jail for the next twelve years. Especially when just giving someone your wallet would solve the problem.
It's the ego and pride. people don't want to look bad in front of other people or heard other people badmouthing from behind about a skilled judoka suddenly become weak giving out his wallet instead of throwing the assailant with a beautiful soei nage.
Hello , i am from argentina , i actually training judo and bjj , do you think i can protect myself and others with this two ? I used to do boxing, kickboxing and sanshou .
Not that I'm an expert, I'm not (judoka of 2 years) but if you are an experienced boxer or kick boxer, and have training in bjj or judo, you'll probably handle yourself just fine. Most people accept the notion that an untrained person is more likely to pick a fight with you than an untrained person. So in that retrospect, you'll do just fine with a few simple grappling techniques. Just keep em sharp and it all becomes second nature when the time comes.
Striking has more litigious consequences in self-defense in the US and probably in many countries. Especially where an assailant may have already an established rap sheet, which in court becomes a bargaining tool. As a citizen without one, you are fresh meat.
Personally boxing and kickboxing and Muay Thai and karate would be my first lines of self-defense and I would utilize Judo as a plan B martial art in the event that someone gets past my hands and rushes me and grabs me then my Judo would come into play defensively and then they would get thrown and guess what I don't give a damn they're trying to hurt me! So They can eat pavement! if they're still struggling on the ground well then newaza time!
That's your worst first line of defense, because you're legs exist, and would get taken out in 5 seconds if someone wanted to. And you're hoping that your punches will take the person out nine times out of 10 it won't. There's a reason why most police officers don't punch criminals in order to detain them and use wrestling or jiu jitsu instead.
This is what I meant. But Judo fanboys and BJJ fanboys keep on saying their grappling art are the ultimate self defense art in the world. No, no. Not in the world, probably in the whole universe too. All grappling arts are sucks hard for multiple attackers. Use boxing, throw jabs and cross, stay on your feet and keep moving. Avoid the ground.
@@dreadinside654 Wrong. If you can control and throw, whilst staying on your feet, that is a huge advantage. And if you are mobbed and end up on the ground, knowing how to get back up fast and as safely as possible, is essential. For single or multiple attackers.
Responses to all points.
1: You could go to jail, this one is correct unless you live in America.
2: He needs to be wearing a jacket. This is false, you can find videos online of people getting thrown into the ground wearing only t-shirts.
3: You need to get close. This point is incedibly valid... for all forms of physical altercation ever. Unless you're having an archery battle or running away why on earth wouldn't you be close to your opponant?
I'm a police officer,I use judo all the time to control people that start resisting and get assaultive, keeps them safe and me safe. Everyone says Jiu jitsu for self defense, but a combination of judo and jiu jitsu is best
Judo is excellent for law enforcement and self defense
Maybe in Brazil people don't wear jacket, but in Europe or in Russia (where there's only 2 months when people don't wear jacket) they usually do wear clothes 😄 moreover 80% of all judo throws are absolutely applicable even in no-gi/clothes situation. Sometimes it's even easier to apply judo throws because in no-gi no one can stiff-arm you by gripping your gi/clothes so hard that you can't approach him for a throw (in that case you must break his grip first or solve this problem another way). And for example many judokas and even more sambo players are more used to close-tight wrestling style
There are a bunch of things that I disagree with in this vid:
1. If you throw someone who tries to attack you to intentionally injure or kill you, then you do have the right to even use deadly force in many places.
2. There are throws that don’t require clothes
3:40 uhhh that’s aikido, in judo’s nage no kata it drills defending against punches with throws
Nice Perspective, OG!
Agree with all the points. Other point is we would like not to wrestle and make our cloths Dirty. ..Striking is better,is controllable,range maintainable...but Good to have Judo as O e more tool if parties get very close physically.
Another thing is Biting,Eye Gouging, Striking etc points are not considered in Judo..so judo player might not be factoring in such things.(weapons u included)
Cool video as usually man!! I agree with reason #1 because in Japan from the moment we start practicing martial arts we are in advantage against someone who doesn't do anything and will get arrested and judged more severely. My only fear is if someone with a knife attacked me and I defend myself.
#3 is the reason why I like aikido, which doesn't depend on getting the opponent's lapel. I guess the ideal combination for self-defense is a grappling martial arts such as judo, BJJ or sambo with a striking martial art such as karate or muay tai. In my case I'm practicing judo, gojuryu karate and aikido.
I think you’re all set with those 3 things for self defense brother. One day i’d like to take up Aikido, im starting to realize that it might have many benefits that other arts dont have.
Thanks for your reply brother. Aikido is a very misunderstood martial art, because people talk about it COMPARING it to other arts but forget that aikido is based on a non-violence mentality, but can be used to cause damage if that’s the purpose of the practitioner. It has stuff not found in some arts such as disarming and deals with situations where judokas would probably not know hot to act such as grabbing one’s fists,arm or grabbing from behind.I guess aikido has added a lot to my judo in the case of “kuzushi “ , balance on top of the spatial perception.
@gengotaku honestly i would take it up one day when ll have more time, im sure i can get lots out of it as well, and yes lol, Judoka wouldn’t know how to act in so many ways because they dont train for certain things.
Summary: judo sucks because you can throw them at 100% and turn them into a pancake.
Well that sounds good to me lmao
Very Canadian outlook on self defense lol. In Indiana, if someone attacked you and you gave them a toss and they broke their neck, it’s on them.
I was thinking the same thing my friend! Here in the United States I think going before a judge regarding a self-defense situation or an assault charge using the grappling Arts of Judo wrestling and jiu jitsu look way better on you than if you struck someone violently with punches or kicks! Judo has a reputation in the martial arts Community as being a less aggressive option via restraining the opponent in contrast to beating the dog shit out of them with punches and kicks and most judges will see that for what it is and your charge won't be as harsh if you simply took someone down and put them in an arm lock or chokehold
Agreed! A good toss oughta look better than a curb stomp. Although I wish no one had to worry about legal issues for defending themselves. When I was in school a kid got banged up bad by a punk druggy in the locker bays. The kid who just took all of the bully’s hits was much stronger, just naturally built like a bull but very laidback and quiet, and I asked why he didn’t lay into him, he said he was afraid he’d get expelled because of the “0 Tolerance” policy for fighting. It’s always the law abiding people who are hurt the worst by all of our rules.
Lol
@@OGFITNESS Hey bro, you forgot to mention one more thing about the weakness of Judo. Judo sucks against a giant like Martyn Ford. How you can takedown a giant like him? It's almost impossible.
@@dreadinside654there are throws that you can do against bigger people though
Osoto Gari is often cited as a highly dangerous throw for the street, however when I did it to restrain someone in the street a few years ago I was able to do so using reasonable force, and holding his head so it didn’t touch the pavement.
Also, he was wearing a T-shirt,and it was no problem.
Are you a police officer then?
@@Liam1991 nope, just someone in the wrong place at the wrong time.
For one on one Judo is good. But multiple attacker? How? With weapon or no weapon it is foolish to use Judo. Any kinds of throw will leave you open and vulnerable for attacks from every single corner or angle. You grab one guy, uchi mata him, one of his friends coming from the back hit you with a bottle, bammm!! You failed to do uchi mata and fall to the ground bleeding profusely. Let's see, we have soei nage. Bamm! His two other friends simultaneously hit you with fist and kicks while you're trying to lift the guy. Next, what do we have? Osoto Gari? One of my favorite technique. Bamm! Maybe two or more people jump right from behind and from the side and hit you while you're trying to Osoto Gari the other person. What if you run into someone like Martyn Ford? You think you can Judo takedown a person who is a giant like Martyn Ford? You're delusional if you think that. But, if you still think Judo can takedown giants, tell me how? Or even better provide me your proof or a video of a judoka successfully takedown a giant on the street. It's better to use boxing, throw jabs and cross, stay on your feet and keep moving. Try to avoid going to the ground. If things got out of hand, run. You can find lots of videos of boxers fight against multiple attackers on the street for example the popular one, Turkish boxer. But you don't find a judoka throws multiple attackers on the street. And it's funny there a lots of BJJ street fight compare to Judo street fight videos. Bottom line, BJJ, Judo, Wrestling and some other grappling art like Dumog (Filipino wrestling), Shuai Jiao (chinese wrestling) are not only bad, but sucks hard for multiple opponent. I've wasted my time learning Judo and BJJ. I should have invested my time more in Boxing.
@@dreadinside654 Striking is probably better in that scenario, but to be honest if you've got multiple attackers I'd say you're pretty screwed.
That was a long answer. Obviously you don’t want to go to the ground with multiple attackers. It’s no often you meet giants and you wanna stay away. I fought in the streets when I was young and many times by myself against multiple attackers. I wouldn’t recommend it. But what worked really well for me was just avalanching straights a’la Vitor Belfort against Wanderlei Silva. Imagine someone half running towards you and just wont stop punching, it overwhelms anyone but a real trained fighter. But, when you know you can fight, you really don’t have to. Next, I’m gonna learn Judo at 38.
Ive used judo in self defense, woked great. It was O soto gari, didnt grab any clothes. I have a friend of mine that pulled off tai otoshi on someone just using there tshirt. I also have some judoka buddies of mine that are police. They use judo all the time.
@@AdamT-88 once you figure out your grips without the gi you can definitely make the throw work.
Absolutely, its basically the under hook with hand on shoulder, and with the other hand grabbing the wrist, collar ties, two on ones, 🤷♂️
Good to see you mention about reasonable force. A lot of people, especially in the self defence community don't really talk about reasonable force and the law. I will say, I think the leg sweeps are good for self defense, especially over the other throws. I will also add if you're interested in learning self defense, you need to train in a system like Krav Maga, that teaches you a wide range of subjects. Which includes,
•Multiple attackers
•Defending against weapons
•If it is legal in your country, learn how to use weapons
•Scenario training
•De-escalation skills
•Awareness training
•The pre and post fight
•Have some understanding about your country's self defense law, just in case you have to justify your actions in court.
I would use sports or traditional martial arts, in this case, Judo, as a supplement on top of the self defense training.
i have been krav maga instructor for a long while and it absolutely sucks in conparison to other functional martial arts like olympic wrestling, judo, Bjj, boxing. tones of time is wasted for cooperative drills that don't translate well to live real fighting. you are almost always better off with solid wrestling and boxing than any of that crap
@@frederickmorton275 Which Krav Maga organisation are you with? I'm with KMG. Of course you're going to develop a lot of sparring type skills from sports martial arts, but you're not going to learn the kind of skills I pointed out. I have done sports martial arts, like Kickboxing, and Judo, but I didn't feel like my needs were met until after I started training with KMG.
@@Liam1991 same organisation as you although back then it was called IKMF but Eyal Yanilow was head instructor of it. I have been on countless seminars with Eyal himself and other high ranked gurus that are experts at technique demonstration but absolute crap fighters. I'm still fortunate that my section was ran by former judo black belt that also loved live sparring so he made it quite functional having said that still a lot of times was wasted on useless techniques rather than drilling techniques that can be applied directly in sparring. there was one club ran by Jarek Rogowski in Poland who was 17 years ago already bjj blue belt with very good wrestling background and experience in sanda, I saw him sparring with other instructors at Eyal yanilows seminar and they had absolutely no arguments in any aspect of fighting. it was already at that time that my bubble started bursting. I went to few training sessions at his club when I was 18 I think but I wasn't quite ready for that intensity back then, he wasn't wasting time for anything that couldn't be directly applied in sparring and his students had all good grappling base and boxing. Google his name and see his videos, apart of his krav maga that really isn't krav maga at all I can't see anything else online that makes much sense. I would stick to wrestling/judo, bjj and nsome boxing
With respect, you are obviously a very accomplished martial artist, but I have to ask how many real life violent situations have you been involved in? Geoff Thompson (among others) cite Judo, along with probably boxing, as being one of THE most effective systems for self defence. Sorry if this sounds accusatory, but I don’t really understand your point in this video.
Real life situations? Plenty homie, plenty, OG aint only because they im old.
Re: taking down tall, big dudes. I'm 6' and some of my toughest opponents are the cats who are shorter but heavy with a strong center of gravity.
i mean i do agree with you but same goes to any other martial art be that bjj, wrestling, must Thai or boxing. each one of those specialises in its field and only partially covers other areas.
judo does cover one aspect of fighting quite well- stand up grappling when in clothing: clinch work, good balance on our feet and possible counters if someone tries to bring us down, forward momentum of opponent can be used to advantage, good leg sweeps, great cutting distance to leg sweets or throws.
now granted it can be harmful to attacker and u thought it myself lately that it is very difficult to try to throw someone mildly, you either go all out or it doesn't work
I really wish more people would think about this when talking about self defense. It's not effective self defense to do something that will put you in jail for the next twelve years. Especially when just giving someone your wallet would solve the problem.
It's the ego and pride. people don't want to look bad in front of other people or heard other people badmouthing from behind about a skilled judoka suddenly become weak giving out his wallet instead of throwing the assailant with a beautiful soei nage.
Hello , i am from argentina , i actually training judo and bjj , do you think i can protect myself and others with this two ? I used to do boxing, kickboxing and sanshou .
Not that I'm an expert, I'm not (judoka of 2 years) but if you are an experienced boxer or kick boxer, and have training in bjj or judo, you'll probably handle yourself just fine.
Most people accept the notion that an untrained person is more likely to pick a fight with you than an untrained person. So in that retrospect, you'll do just fine with a few simple grappling techniques. Just keep em sharp and it all becomes second nature when the time comes.
Striking has more litigious consequences in self-defense in the US and probably in many countries. Especially where an assailant may have already an established rap sheet, which in court becomes a bargaining tool. As a citizen without one, you are fresh meat.
Personally boxing and kickboxing and Muay Thai and karate would be my first lines of self-defense and I would utilize Judo as a plan B martial art in the event that someone gets past my hands and rushes me and grabs me then my Judo would come into play defensively and then they would get thrown and guess what I don't give a damn they're trying to hurt me! So They can eat pavement! if they're still struggling on the ground well then newaza time!
That's your worst first line of defense, because you're legs exist, and would get taken out in 5 seconds if someone wanted to. And you're hoping that your punches will take the person out nine times out of 10 it won't. There's a reason why most police officers don't punch criminals in order to detain them and use wrestling or jiu jitsu instead.
You are the only martial artist I've seen that thinks Judo isn't effective.
@@markalbert8135 its limited.
It’s only effective if it’s one on one you don’t wanna get kicked by you opponent’s friends when you are doing your locks
This is what I meant. But Judo fanboys and BJJ fanboys keep on saying their grappling art are the ultimate self defense art in the world. No, no. Not in the world, probably in the whole universe too. All grappling arts are sucks hard for multiple attackers. Use boxing, throw jabs and cross, stay on your feet and keep moving. Avoid the ground.
@@dreadinside654 Bro took a couple boxing classes or muay thai classes now thinks he's john wick. Yeah it doesn't work like that my friend.
You talked about sport and olympian Judo, not combat Judo and Judo practice for self defense aims with prohibited techniques like Atemi Waza .
@@dreadinside654 Wrong. If you can control and throw, whilst staying on your feet, that is a huge advantage.
And if you are mobbed and end up on the ground, knowing how to get back up fast and as safely as possible, is essential. For single or multiple attackers.
Well easy use aikido and finish twist sone harm o writ and I don't think it will still want to keep going
Yah that would do it