Are Ogryn Humans, Ogres, or something else? Warhammer 40k Lore Darktide
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Ogryn are the bestest bois. Every Commissar should be issued an emotional support Ogryn.
probably not a good idea imagine getting killed when it hugs you for "comfort"
@@erickellar5867they aren’t beasts of nurgle they know how fragile non-ogryns can be.
I can imagine an ogryn being killed and he's the regiments favorite soldier and his death results in them winning the battle by sheer hatred towards the enemy
@@kmcgaming2643 Imperial guardsmen when they lose a half of their regiment “just another Tuesday”, imperial guardsmen when the enemy hurts their favorite Orgyn “FIX BAYONETS!!!!”
Bro, during HH, ogryns killed so many traitor marines
I think back in 7th edition they had the same strength as Space Marines
What if they made ogryn space marines?
We call those "thunder warriors"
aren't those ogryns the ones with implants that makes them smarter and much better than astartes?
@@sovietcurry8863a regular ogryn has the intellignce compared to that of a very dumb child or a very smart dog. The Bone'ead chip helps raise their intelligence a bit, but they are costly to produce, which is why they're only given to squad commanders to help lead their non-augmented brothers. In hand-to-hand combat an ogryn could rip a space marine in half, but even with the Bone'ead chip their poor intelligence still puts them at a disatvantage
Protec’ the lil’ uns!
For Bob!
*DEAFENING GUNFIRE*
Ogryns, tiny brain, big muscles, massive heart
I have a feeling that if you paint one green orks won't be able to tell the difference
@@The-Great-Penguin I mean aren't they like 12 ft tall? Also the lack of any tusks might be a give away
"Ogryn, what is your job?"
"To do me job."
Your a genius! “Presents sticker in the shape of a medal with the words good job printed on the front”
Ogryns and Squats are a prime example of how similar conditions can be handled in several different ways. They both developed on high gravity worlds, having to endure harsh environments. But where the Squats became more stunted and sturdy, and moved underground to harvest the ritch mineral deposits of their worlds. The Ogryn traded their intelligence for raw power and durability, simply powering through their challenges.
only the Squats make sense from an evolutionary stand point.
Higher Gravity would result in smaller bulkier creatures.
Ogryn are a bad adaptation being bigger and heavier which would both be bad for a high gravity enviorment.
Think how Elephants can never grow as big as whales and how the largest mammals all live in the water there the water makes movement easier.
The two extremes of humanity's "we'll just tough it out" attitude
That ture Ogryns also come from cold violent planets where being big to stay warm and to fight off rivals was extremely danafusal
Kinda baffled that this vid doesn't say "Abhuman" anywhere. My age is showing, I suppose lol
Sub human.
@@mackenziehunt7616 Not the same thing: "sub" implies below (human) , "ab" states that they are different. Subtle difference but "abhuman" is the correct term for squats, beastmen, ratings, ogryns, etc.
Another word is abnormal. So it just means not a normal human.
@@Rellikan Indeed, which is where the 40k/Imperial term "Abhuman" comes from.
@@Maulyrno, they're sub human. Mutant trash.
I love the ogryns they are so good to the vets always calling them boss and taking care of them bestest bois
Space marine + ogryn = unstoppable
Primogryns
There was a HH story where an ogryn was given Astarte-like modifications, and it was killing so many traitors that Horus himself had to put him down
That seems dumb .
If its killing traitors what's the issue old emps lost his marbles 😂
@@rhysoneill7399 HORUS HERESY STORY! HORUS KILLED THE OGRYN WHO WAS KILLING TRAITORS
*Thunder Warriors...
“He asked me wut my job was and I said uhh it’s… to do my job”
Commissioner: “by god you’re a genius”
Oh to be an Ogryn
A simple life!
@@TabletopTitansbash a couple heretic’s skulls go drink a gallon of beer go to sleep rinse and repeat
No worrying about the chapter/regiment's honor
No existential crises
No fear
Just shoot gun, smash puny alien, eat rations.
Fight for Emprah, die for Emprah. Good life.
@@SealegsSamGet medal from commissa
Means commissa is happy
If they happy
The empra is happy
And that make me happy
Never forget Gav and Bob. If you dont know this ogryn story. You'll shed a tear.
When he said they were expendable, I almost did. Them boys are the best of humanity in 40k
Vox in the Void. Best TH-cam 40k channel
And he always whispered: "For Bob."
FOR BOB
ogryn in terminator suit would be funny
Sweet god that’s a scary thought
Ogryn Charonites are basically that. They ripped through space marines with ease.
They would commit suicide due to their terrible claustrophobia feeling trapped inside the suit.
The ogryns at some point gained additional engineering and cybernetic enhancement, likely most of this was during the horus heresy, where they were employed as a more efficient and expendable method of killing space marines.
I thought ogeryn came from penal colonies where the biggest and strongest were able to fight to live more. And the squats came from high gravity places, being low but dense
Its a bit of both from memory. I think at one point in the lore the origin for Ogryns was that they were from Penal colonies on high gravity planets. So their current form is the result of both the high gravity and the survival of the strongest. (Unlike Squats who JUST had to contend with the high gravity.)
Fun fact one of the last acts of the emperor before being placed in The Golden throne was to pardoned all the ogryns who sided with Horace. This is because there vary stupid and thy have child like minds. So if horus told them the empire wants them to kill in the name of Korn there literally to stupid to understand there being tricked.
That's still typically how Ogryns wind up "falling" to Chaos. Their leaders turn and the Ogryn stay loyal to them.
The ogryn have to be my favorite abhumans in 40K other than the ratlings. They are such a power house in darktide. I have two ogryn characters and they are definitely my money makers.
Imagine if Cawl implanted one with one with some sort of cerebral enhancer, found a way to make a version of astartes out of him, and equipped him in power armour 😳
boneheads in tread armor exist en masse.
its not to far away since we already have boneheads
Theres a reason ogryns and veterans have wholesome dialogue with each other in darktide
What would happen if you took the Ogryn and sent them through the space marine process?
You get a daft Thunder Warrior.
@@genghiscarnage4015 Do you think they'd have the insanity and cancer problems of the Thunder Warriors?
You would get Ogryn Charonites (Augmented ogryns with similar genetic upgrades as Space Marines). They existed during the Great Crusade, but we're quickly dismantled by (Still loyal) Horus durnig that time, since they were so strong, they chewed through Space marines like Space Marines chew through regular humans
@@maximkislicyn2297that be a cool book to read
Give them some genetic altering to make them smarter then you'd probably have that could hold its own against a custodes
They're also nearly immune to small arms fire like stubguns, autoguns, and light las weaponry. Even full lasguns only make skin deep wounds on their thick hides. And their abnormal strength makes it near a cakewalk to beat a marine to death or tear one in half
That’s why even Dark Eldar like to capture them for their arena for gambit entertainment and slave pit for torture
This guy got it half right, ogryns are some of the most loyal troops the imperium has. They believe completely in the emperor and are told they doing his will. They fight for him and aren’t scared of dying as they don’t understand it.
They also bond with normal guardsmen and become best friends with them. If anything tries to harm there best friends, they are a force to reckon with.
Look up Nork deddog, to understand the loyalty.
And further more look up ogryns in power armour. They got roided up and stacked in power armour and messed up chaos marines. They even jumped a primach and the primach had to exert himself to the extreme to survive. These guys are far stronger in lore then the tabletop gives them credit.
Them and the salamanders are the most wholesome in the imperium: (also Angron pre-butchers nails ;) )
I think some higher ranking members of the guard sometimes have Ogryn bodyguards seeing them as loyal hounds.
there was a version of ogryns that personally infiltrated Horus’ ship and was annihilating the space marines, to the point where Horus had to step in himself just to deal with them.
Ogryns are strong enough to wrestle with space marines, often growing to 8-10 feet in height.
They're also useful as factory workers
I wanna see an ogryn vs a space marine hand to hand 😂
A space wolf would win
Most space marines would win. Depending on the weapon. If it’s hand to hand it’s a close win for the ogryn but with Gear on our ogryn friend gets decimated.
@@fishyboy2140Eh, not really. There is even a book/short story in which a UNNARMED Ogryn kills two fully armed Chaos Space Marines with his bare hands. He just fucking tears them apart.
@@ghostplays2766 that’s most likely a case of author writing whatever tf they want. Surprising to see it’s with an ogryn instead of a boy in blue tho.
@@fishyboy2140 Not at all. Even if you look at the tabletop game, a Space Marine/Chaos Space Marine has Strenght 4 and Toughness 4, while a Ogryn has Strenght 6 and Toughness 6. Ogryns are stronger than Space Marines, but the Marines are smarter and have better gear. In hand to hand combat however, a Ogryn can beat the shit out of a Marine.
Gotta protec' the lil'uns
This is why I love the Destiny’s Children book series. It shows what human evolution could be
Ogryn are also very kind and caring
Yep! They call regular humans “ little ones”
Holy crap someone actually mentioned Ratling Snipers
Imagine if they added ratlings to dark tide.
So loyal to the Emperor, the only way you can trick them to fight for Chaos is convincing them everyday that they are still fighting for the Emperor
Ogryns are dope. But they don’t have the martial or tactical prowess of the space marines. But their strength is definitely comparable.
Btw, name of the song/music??
Ogryns are comparable to terminator armor
An Ogryn spacemarine?
Wow! That would be a sight to behold!
They're also extremely claustrophobic. They're more than happy rush into the heat of battle, but refuse to get into a transport vessel.
_"YOU KILLED BOB!!!! YOU KILLED BOOOB!!!!"_
- Gav
Somewhat hampered by crippling claustrophobia and a general fear of vehicular transportation. For Imperial guard duties, thats a big problem, considering that they like bunkers and troop transports.
Just put them in open top transports
Also, to add to this, those differences strands of humans are called "abhumans". And ogryns, despite their size and strength, are more offten then not gentle giants
You either raise them good or die
The Imperium is not a friendly, inclusive, considerate, or kind place. It is advisable to show an Ogryn some kindness though. It goes a very long way. It could save your life & if not, will likely ensure some rather painful revenge.
My ogryns on darktide are named Strongheim and Krump,,, cause they are strong and krump stuff to the ground.
I absolutely love ogryn proxy models for gaming, admittedly I would always, ALWAYS, take a mech or exo suit over a large weird human any day
“And I know thats true cause mama don’t lie…”
They are on that Lil Un protecting grindset.
There are lots of crazy human variants - they're called Abhumans. Different from one off mutants which are tolerated but shunned socially
They are also loyal and lovable
Imagine turning an ogryns into a space marine
Ogryns are humanity's best buds, especially because they're normally pals with the comissars, and saying otherwise will likely get you shot
I’m pretty sure an Ogrym would be the worst thing for high gravity.
You’d want to be lower to the ground and preferable on more than two legs.
If you look at the body ratio, their legs are shorter and stockier compared to regular humans. I think it is more than just high gravity. Ogren’s usually came from planets that had high gravity, low technology, and natural threats (like dangerous animals).
Ive heard of an older version of ogryn who were as smart as a space marine
During the Horus Heresy, there was basically a space marine version of an ogryn that could only be beaten by Horus
They live such simple lives. Im jealous, really
Whoever using Ogryn using in Darktide seriously has the same habit and tendency to block Veteran from shooting.
Oh Sorry! 😊
Its funny how diverged Ogryns and ogres are as beings; Ogres in fantasy are crude, cannibalistic monsters who, while they can be reasoned with, as a race are brutish raiders.
Ogryns on the other hand, while strong and capable of horrific violence if told to, are absurdly loyal and strangely purehearted beings who you can trust with your life so long as you're not a xenos.
Momma always said; it’s an ogryns job to protect people from bullies and hera-ticks so that’s what ogryn does.
Momma doesn’t lie.
Ogryn have been armored and armed akin to a space marine, I believe it was during the Horus Heresy. They fought on par with chaos space marine chapters. Better in some cases.
Love me Emprah
Love me rations
Love me gun
Simple as.
Who'd win in a fight?
A highly trained sniper blessed by the God of Decay and Disease, with a body count in the hundreds.
Or.
A giant toddler with a fucking rock.
Just human that trades big brain for big muscle for survival.
Incase anyone trys to deny the danger level of the Orgyn id like to a piece of lore where nork dedog beat a chaos terminator to death with the butt of his ripper gun
Scientifically... I think in heavy gravity condition, smaller stature is more advantageous as they would suffer from less gravity relative to structural integrity....
But as anything can happen, why not?
I could see both as long as their bones and muscles could handle the gravity better. Either small and dense or large and dense (and strong)
@@randybutter1638 Yep. That could happen too.
Though it would require denser bones of different structure or components, muscular structure, and different metabolic action,...
meaning more mutation than simple smaller size... but possible nonetheless especially if the condition of the habitat denies weak, small humans.
Well the Squats also came from high gravity environment, they are inline with this logic
someone in the comments also said that the ogryns originated from a high gravity penal colony where it only the strongest survived, so that could explain why they are so big
It's implied in some sources that ogryns were actually created through genetic engineering and used as menial labor and as brutes during the gene wars
FOR THE EM'PRAH
I always thought they were a bad batch of space marines
My favorite art of 40k is an ogryn ripping open a killa can with his bear hands
I shudder to think what one of these guys could do if given space Marine augmentation..
"In one of my Warhammer 40k books, I read about an incredible feat - an Ogryn who, despite being gravely wounded, managed to take down seven World Eater Chaos Space Marines with nothing but sheer strength and determination. This story reminds us that even in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds, we all have the potential to rise up and achieve greatness."
Ogryn are human descendants from harsh high gravity worlds.in fantasy ogres are a cousin species to humans.you can kinda look at it like both humans and ogres being descended from homo erectus but the old ones made the ogres and humans separate races
My favorite class in the game
And one of my favorite species in 40k
In the old lore ogryns we’re so devoted to the emperor they couldn’t fall to chaos. Any ogryns fighting for the traitors were tricked into fighting loyalists believing them to be the traitors lol
Commissar: *slaps ogryns bald ahh head*
“This bad boy can kill so many heretics.”
Many times I’ve heard “up ya go spark ‘ead
Dude, literally an ogryn beat a chaos space marine to death with his own helmet, these guys are capable of throwing and manhandling space marines like rag dolls (IF the ogryns can get their hands on a marine cuz marines are super quick)
Alpha Legionnaire posing as Ogryn. Astarte-sized Guardsman will be suspicious, but Ogryn? Just slap some fake muscles on Marine and he is good to go. No one will bat an eye that he is two meters tall and able to carry crates of ammo in one hand - as it is what Ogryns (and Marines...) are.
YOU KILLED BOB
40k Ogryns exist longer than the whfantasy ogres tho
Do they? Isn’t Fantasy like 10 years older?
The only thing that's tough for a space marine, is another space marine
And an Ogryn
Don't forget about their big hearts
For Gav n Bob.
Gav missed Bob so much, potato peels just don’t taste the same anymore.
And why are ogres turned into a human subspecies because of Shrek!!!
Ogryns are humans (well, a subspecies of human), but are also the 40k equivalent of WHFB's Ogres. These two things are not mutually exclusive. Like how the 40k equivalent of beastmen are also just abhumans and not strictly Chaos.
I wonder how strong one would be if they got the space marine augments…
Cool fun fact about Ogryns.
The average Ogryn is taller than Primarch Roboute Guilliman
The thing i've always disliked about darktide is how they portray Ogryns. Ina lot of the lore, an ogryn that can count to double didgits is considered a genius. And yet ogryns in darktide can somehow keep a conversation going.
The Ogryns we play in Darktide are Bone’ed basically smartest Ogryn that work as Ogryn Squad even battalion leader and can have conversations with field commander
They're like some kind of dollarstore astares
What would happen if an Ogryn would become a Space Marine?
Survivability, durability, brute strength, and bad teeth.
I wonder how a space marine ogryn would turn out
Mankind best friends
Imagine if they gave them to krieg and modified the vita-wombs. Kreig training would only leave the smartest and strongest of each group and literally nothing less then peak ogryn performance. Maybe over years granting intelligence back to the big guys as peak ogryn dna is further processed and refined. Everyone wants ogryn marines but just give me 1 ogryn perpetual and give him to the sisters of battle
Making an ogryn smarter would likely tone down their muscle. They sacrificed brain power for muscle and I’m pretty sure they would lose a bit of muscle if they became smarter. Plus it would take a lot of resources to make tons of slightly smarter ogryns that do the same job regular ones do. A perpetual ogryn also couldn’t happen since ogryns are fairly new (around 15 k years old at max) and most perpetual are from way before then when souls could actually re incarnate without being devoured by a bunch of demons.
@@fishyboy2140there’s that one grey knight and vulkan that are new perpetuals.
@@incognitopotato3516 Vulcan is a primarch and grey knights is well, a super physic space marine. Ogryns are pretty stupid and most likely cannot become perpetual due to their souls not being near strong enough. That being said if an ogryn did have a strong enough soul they could possibly become a perpetual, sadly that probably will never happen since they would most likely fry themselves with warp magic before they ever got to that level of power.
@@fishyboy2140debatable sergeant stone tooth harkin is as big as an ogryn, shows similar level of strength to ogryns and he's as smart as a human and while yes he's a catachan jungle fighter ogryns do indeed exist on catachan (they were put there by the jungle fighters)
Ugh, reminds me of the beautiful story of the Ogryn and his dear Inquisitor…
Ogryn are not expendable in the eyes of the guard or commisars!
Oi, Commissar, found our breacher
Ogren don't die as much as regular toops. I wouldn't call them expendable.
Game dialogue makes me think a rattling will be added to darktide
"if you played any darktide" bruh ... 💀💀💀
>Be me Officer in the Imperial guard.
>Be nice to the new Squad of Ogryns, cause it might be their last days.
>Orks start invading, I am on the frontlines.
>A Ork manages to break into the trench starts to slaughter guardsmen
>Start to brawl the Ork with my sword, but lose it.
>Accept my fate as the Ork is about to cleave me in two.
>Hear "Protect frend!" From behind
>See squad of Ogry rip the Ork apart
>Now have loyal Ogryn bodyguard squad, all cause I gave one a shiny sticker for peeing in the right spot.
Weighing so much would be a disadvantage on a high gravity world, more mass for gravity to drag down.
You would also have to live a life of everything you have to pick up or move weighs so much more. You’ve overlooked this more impactful factor
The art is a bit weird for their origin story. Their head and chest are roughly analogous to ours on an oversized frame. If they were shaped by higher gravity, they should be shorter with much thicker necks, skulls, and spines, changing the appearance of the face and upper body a lot more in proportions. Also, why would they have long teeth?
The real answer for ehat they are is...
they're the best of us
Imagine an Ogryn space marine chapter
Funny because high Gravity makes things smaller not bigger
Then why not make space marine ogryns? With full armor suits etc... A bit like a walking dreadnought, but swifter.
Moral support juggernaut
Thats just ivan he plays in every movie with a skinny whute dude and big ass russian enforcer