These old Lionels look great at track level. Thanks for sharing! I feel like I'm back sitting on my grandfathers lap in 1974. Still running many of his trains.
In model railroader magazine and classic toy trains there was an ad in the classified ads for a real estate company that specialized in homes that had unmovable layout that were considered to be a facet of the house considering how much expense and time was put into building them. One guy who bought one told his wife did she like the house and she said you haven't seen the upstairs yet that's it well I've seen the basement it's good enough for me. John Allen train layout watching to join him and so it burned the house to the ground. Imagine the model railroad club's that there are in the afterlife.
Thanks Len, it is special to have the layout still standing. Its very special to me. I have fond memories of running trains with him when I was younger.
Lionel post war = bullet proof the new stuff is nice but post war will still be running long after the other is dead and gone great layout a true treasure to keep
There are very few real, truly made in the postwar era, postwar layouts still running. Almost none are on TH-cam it would seem, I have only found perhaps 2 or three counting this one. This is a true masterpiece, every singe detail. The way in which modified stock Lionel equipment was customized to become a unique model unlike any other, and such work as this does what most NEVER did- to go beyond the trodden path. To customize. To make something brand new, never seen before. To kitbash a toy train set in the postwar era. Let me tell you my friend, boy oh boy does that look good! If your grandfather were here, I'd be shaking his hand and telling him how much I was impressed by everything he'd done, that it was a true inspiration, and he had made not only my day, but one of the most unique railroads I'd ever seen out of nothing but Lionel trains, plywood, glue, matchsticks, paint, time, and a wealth of creativity. Just wait until I'm building my great layout- I can't wait until I can spend all the time I want, endlessly piecing together bridges from balsa wood and laying track, wiring switches, and of course, sitting back, relaxing, as I grab the throttle on my ZW and let 'er roll!
Thank you Sir. I have always thought highly of this layout. But to hear somebody else say it means a lot. I'm very happy you like it. I will try to shoot more video of this layout when I get back up that way. Thanks for watching.
If you would be so kind, I prefer 'them/they' to 'him/her' etc etc. Just personal preference. I'm glad this holds value for you too. I can't wait until the next shooting session!!!
Wow your comment is outstanding that was exactly my thoughts as well on this layout and trains he did such an excellent job on it all it’s just fabulous!!
WOW your dads layout is absolutely outstanding I love it he did some very nice modeling work the coal mine long bridge and the turntable are just awesome I love how he renamed and decaled relettered and painted a lot of those Lionel trains looks just absolutely awesome your dad was most definitely a talented guy and the switching operation you guys are doing with the layout in the video is really awesome I think your dad would have been extremely proud that his trains are living on and getting used great job on the layout and trains looks fabulous very cool!!
so nostalgic ... I can only imagine the pleasure your grandfather had in acquiring and developing this layout ... I am a grandfather now myself and still am running my post war trains ... the best hobby to have ... love this video
Truly the work of an oil time master. What you have is not only a lovely layout but a beautiful living historical document of the state of model railroading in the 1960s. The layout is massive and I marvel at all of your operating skill as compared to my own.
I've watched your video several times, and it never gets old. You really can't beat the toy like look of it all. Fun! The sounds of those engines, and their heavy weight, along with the ozone smell and the overall feel of the thing. Lots of great memories are brought back when I watch this. I'm still setting up 3 loops of O27 in our living room each holiday season. Thank you so much for sharing this classic layout.
Thank you for watching. I also have another video of this layout on my channel. I know my grandfather would love that so many still are able to enjoy his layout.
I love how there’s so many 675s and I really like the one with the silver front. Makes me want to find a cheap one and make a Long Island Railroad version
Reminds me of my grandfathers layout in his attic. It was built in the mid 70s and in the mid 90s when he got diagnosed with cancer it just sat for many many years until I want to say 2010. My grandmother was moving so unfortunately it all had to come down but we plugged it in for one last time and everything worked just as it did. Even all the buildings lit up
What a great postwar era layout, built just the way I might expect Joshua Lionel Cohen and the 'crew' himself may have intended back in the day. It's reminiscent of the old catalogs I would look through over and over dreams of my own layout planned out in notebooks. The days of youth, thanks for sharing your granddads with me. I for one am grateful.
Thank you for creating and posting this video! It is inspiring to see what can be achieved with postwar equipment, creativity, and hard work. It is very enjoyable to watch.
I really like the scratch built buildings, your grandfather had a great eye. The layout itself has a great postwar feel too it which I can really appreciate building mine. Keep the videos coming:)
WOW Zac your grandfather had an amazing collection and layout. It's great to see it working. I hope to see more videos of it in the future. Thank you for sharing a piece of your family.
+Firehawk1218 Thanks for the comment. I will try to make more video of it next time I go back up that way. Its 1000 miles from where I live. No problem, glad you liked it.
THIS IS SUCH A NOSTALGIC VIDEO TO WATCH ... built a layout in 1960 with my collection at the time ... all my trains still running today on a new turn of the century layout ... never cease to be inspired by the works of others in the hobby ... please give me an UPDATE on the layout and any improvements and / or upgrades ... BOB HERE
Thanks Bob. This layout is still together. I will not upgrade or improve anything on this. This is my grandfathers layout, he is no longer with us. So I just maintain the layout how he had. Its a joy to run.
The 2025 steam locomotive always looks better with a 2 wheel trailing truck. Usher smaller engine built to a normal size looks much better than a big engine that has been crunched and compressed to run on 031 radius curves. Many railroads had prairie locomotive and they were fast and good running engines. Death valley Scotty used one on his world record attempt to go between Chicago and California. The switches were actually spike in place so he could run them at a much faster speed than normal on his speed record attempt.
I normally make a smart ass comment about 3 rail track as I had Flyer S gage as a kid. In this case however, I appreciate your grand fathers obvious enthusiasm and you are lucky to have his layout available. Thank you for sharing.
Zac You Have A Railroad There. I Think Your From West Virginia, Iam in Bluefield Right On The Bottom Of the state.I Love them passenger cars behind the j class N&W.
Hey Zac, it's so great to see that this layout is still together. Really a piece of an awesome era! Are you going to refurbish it and keep it? Thanks for sharing, -Ethan
I love the crude-ness of these old Lionel layouts. They really have a unique charm to them. How does your grandfather feel about all the new technology on the trains now? Have you showed him the vision line Big Boy?
+TheSteamKing Thanks for the comment. Im not sure how he would feel about the new technology if he was still here. I sure do wish he was still here to ask him.
Don't know if you're even still active on TH-cam, but I would suggest restoring the layout and upgrade the track supporting, as it would appear the tracks may eventually become too weak to hold the engines properly. Love the layout though.l, especially since it's themed in my home state.
Hey! What a great layout ya got there, man! I wish mine was as big as this (I only have a 4x8 table) and I love all those k4's! I just have one question, what is that one loco, i think #1927, i thought i saw 8 drivers, but also a k4 style front, what is it? Is it custom? If so, I might piece one together it looks awesome! Thanks A LOT for sharring!
Thanks Jimmy. I’m actually making a new video of this layout this week. This layout is not ran anymore so we try to get back in running condition with the little amount of time we have. As of yesterday it was running pretty good.
can you make a video on a running session of the layout and show how the coal loader works and maybe if you find behind the scenes pictures of the layout add those too. please, I am very intrigued with this layout
The coal loader is not a operational thing. I actually plan to make 2 videos when I go back to film again. As this will be the last chance I get. The layout will be torn down in the coming months
@@Jokers_Trains if you are going to sell the house you should sell it with the train layout intact I read in one of the railroad magazines that there are realtors who specialize in homes that have beautiful model railroads that they steer two people who would want to buy the house because of the model railroad in the basement. Of course by the time I posted that layout is probably torn down. Tearing down a layout is one of the worst things you have to do. With the modular built custom layouts like from Dunham's Studios they can arrange to have the layout picked up brought to their place and sold. So many of our layouts were built with the idea that they would never be torn down. They had a story about one couple looking at a house and while the wife was upstairs looking at the house the husband was downstairs with the owner looking at the layout in the basement. He came upstairs and told her that if she likes the upstairs he likes to downstairs. It's much nicer when a layout gets a new owner for the next 50 years.
yes this track was installed by my grandfather. This was just standard Lionel tubular track. He added some ties under the track. There was one stick of ross track in there that replaced a section of the lionel track.
I don't blame you. I wouldn't want to leave that stuff sitting around somewhere like that, either. It's a neat old-school setup, though. I mean, DCC and the other modern stuff is fun but sometimes it's cool to see how this stuff was done "back in the day".
Yeah, I can see why one would think that lionel isn't doing to well right now, but I think the reason lionel isn't doing to well is probably because most people want more of the postwar stuff again I'm sure if lionel made engines look more vintage with magnetraction then their sales would be better. Also one last thing if lionel lowered their prices too, that would be better.
These old Lionels look great at track level. Thanks for sharing! I feel like I'm back sitting on my grandfathers lap in 1974. Still running many of his trains.
My thoughts exactly nice!
Still running my grandfathers Lionels!!!
You're a lucky man... hours and hours and hours of entertainment there's some beautiful pieces in there too take care of it cherish it
Thanks 👍
I love this video , I watch it over and over , thanks for the hard work ! Well done .
Thanks. That means a lot. You are in luck there will be a new video of this layout coming in the next few months.
This is one of my favorite videos. God bless your grandpa.
70Ford302 thank you. Happy you like it.
I love the buzzing noises from the "e" unit..! Old School
Gotta love the old e unit noise
love the industrial feel of this layout and the control setup. no need for an infotainment center here. thankyou for preserving this fine layout!
Thanks. I will be making another video of this layout in March.
In model railroader magazine and classic toy trains there was an ad in the classified ads for a real estate company that specialized in homes that had unmovable layout that were considered to be a facet of the house considering how much expense and time was put into building them. One guy who bought one told his wife did she like the house and she said you haven't seen the upstairs yet that's it well I've seen the basement it's good enough for me. John Allen train layout watching to join him and so it burned the house to the ground. Imagine the model railroad club's that there are in the afterlife.
Wonderful that's what it's all about. Imagine going up in your great granddad's garage and finding that! Thanks for putting this out to be seen.
Thanks Len, it is special to have the layout still standing. Its very special to me. I have fond memories of running trains with him when I was younger.
Lionel post war = bullet proof the new stuff is nice but post war will still be running long after the other is dead and gone great layout a true treasure to keep
Thanks for the comment, I agree with you but I still love the modern engines as much as I love the old stuff.
Still is my favorite Lionel video , thanks for keeping it posted !
This is amazing! Thank you for sharing! So sorry for your loss! Beautiful layout!
maxpaul11 thank you.
I've never seen an O gauge layout like this that's so good
Thanks, I glad you liked it.
There are very few real, truly made in the postwar era, postwar layouts still running. Almost none are on TH-cam it would seem, I have only found perhaps 2 or three counting this one. This is a true masterpiece, every singe detail. The way in which modified stock Lionel equipment was customized to become a unique model unlike any other, and such work as this does what most NEVER did- to go beyond the trodden path. To customize. To make something brand new, never seen before. To kitbash a toy train set in the postwar era. Let me tell you my friend, boy oh boy does that look good! If your grandfather were here, I'd be shaking his hand and telling him how much I was impressed by everything he'd done, that it was a true inspiration, and he had made not only my day, but one of the most unique railroads I'd ever seen out of nothing but Lionel trains, plywood, glue, matchsticks, paint, time, and a wealth of creativity. Just wait until I'm building my great layout- I can't wait until I can spend all the time I want, endlessly piecing together bridges from balsa wood and laying track, wiring switches, and of course, sitting back, relaxing, as I grab the throttle on my ZW and let 'er roll!
Thank you Sir. I have always thought highly of this layout. But to hear somebody else say it means a lot. I'm very happy you like it. I will try to shoot more video of this layout when I get back up that way. Thanks for watching.
If you would be so kind, I prefer 'them/they' to 'him/her' etc etc. Just personal preference.
I'm glad this holds value for you too. I can't wait until the next shooting session!!!
Basically all I run myself is post war Lionel and Marx. I have a few things mixed in from the modern era that works with my vintage stuff.
Wow your comment is outstanding that was exactly my thoughts as well on this layout and trains he did such an excellent job on it all it’s just fabulous!!
WOW your dads layout is absolutely outstanding I love it he did some very nice modeling work the coal mine long bridge and the turntable are just awesome I love how he renamed and decaled relettered and painted a lot of those Lionel trains looks just absolutely awesome your dad was most definitely a talented guy and the switching operation you guys are doing with the layout in the video is really awesome I think your dad would have been extremely proud that his trains are living on and getting used great job on the layout and trains looks fabulous very cool!!
Thanks for watching, actually it is my grandfather layout. But thanks for the kind words.
I love the classic Lionel trains!
so nostalgic ... I can only imagine the pleasure your grandfather had in acquiring and developing this layout ... I am a grandfather now myself and still am running my post war trains ... the best hobby to have ... love this video
Thanks you Bob for the kind words. Happy you liked it.
Truly the work of an oil time master. What you have is not only a lovely layout but a beautiful living historical document of the state of model railroading in the 1960s. The layout is massive and I marvel at all of your operating skill as compared to my own.
+Redshirt214 Thank you Sir. Im glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
I've watched your video several times, and it never gets old. You really can't beat the toy like look of it all. Fun! The sounds of those engines, and their heavy weight, along with the ozone smell and the overall feel of the thing. Lots of great memories are brought back when I watch this. I'm still setting up 3 loops of O27 in our living room each holiday season. Thank you so much for sharing this classic layout.
Thank you for watching. I also have another video of this layout on my channel. I know my grandfather would love that so many still are able to enjoy his layout.
I love how there’s so many 675s and I really like the one with the silver front. Makes me want to find a cheap one and make a Long Island Railroad version
Do it, they are great engines.
Awesome!!! Thanks for sharing!!!
No problem. Thanks for watching.
Reminds me of my grandfathers layout in his attic. It was built in the mid 70s and in the mid 90s when he got diagnosed with cancer it just sat for many many years until I want to say 2010. My grandmother was moving so unfortunately it all had to come down but we plugged it in for one last time and everything worked just as it did. Even all the buildings lit up
Thats awesome that it all still worked. Sorry to hear about your grandfather.
Hey Zac very nice post war layout and trains brings back the past Thanks for sharing
+Nick Shultz No problem. Thanks for watching
What a great postwar era layout, built just the way I might expect Joshua Lionel Cohen and the 'crew' himself may have intended back in the day. It's reminiscent of the old catalogs I would look through over and over dreams of my own layout planned out in notebooks. The days of youth, thanks for sharing your granddads with me. I for one am grateful.
Peter Norkawich you are very welcome. I happy you enjoyed it. I just wish he was here still to read the comments like these.
Beautiful! God bless your grandfather.
Thank you Sir, happy you like it.
Zac Elliott Your Grandpa really knew how to build a layout, and I hope you can post track plans for it. God Bless your Grandpa
This has been great to watch, your grandfather really enjoyed model railroading and now you're having fun as well. Well done.
Thanks Dale, I am happy you enjoyed it. Yes I do have a lot of fun with the hobby.
Oh yeah you darn right that’s how it’s done pass the hobby to generation to generation very cool!
Thank you for creating and posting this video! It is inspiring to see what can be achieved with postwar equipment, creativity, and hard work. It is very enjoyable to watch.
Not a problem. I recently posted another video of the same layout on my channel
I really like the scratch built buildings, your grandfather had a great eye. The layout itself has a great postwar feel too it which I can really appreciate building mine. Keep the videos coming:)
Thanks for the kind words. Have a great holiday season.
You too Zac, keep those rails polished ;)
Yeah those scratchbuilt o scale buildings are fabulous the bridge and coal mine is awesome
Fun to watch! Thank you for sharing this!
Thanks and your welcome, glad you enjoyed it.
Marvelous post war layout. Your grandfather left you a great legacy.
+mamanbear1 Thank you. And yes he did.
A++++ Everything is RIGHT about this video #HonorYourParents #FamilyTime #BuildMemories
Thank you sir. Thanks for watching
Awesome! A ton of action on this layout
It was a great layout.
This is the coolest Lionel layout I've ever seen !
WOW 3 years for me to reply. Sorry about that. Thanks for the watching. Glad you enjoyed it.
i think so too. i still prefer traditional control.
There's a lot of trackage to operate with. Kool layout. I bet your grandfather would be happy that you are running it again.
Thanks Bob, I like to think he would be.
WOW Zac your grandfather had an amazing collection and layout. It's great to see it working. I hope to see more videos of it in the future. Thank you for sharing a piece of your family.
+Firehawk1218 Thanks for the comment. I will try to make more video of it next time I go back up that way. Its 1000 miles from where I live. No problem, glad you liked it.
THIS IS SUCH A NOSTALGIC VIDEO TO WATCH ... built a layout in 1960 with my collection at the time ... all my trains still running today on a new turn of the century layout ... never cease to be inspired by the works of others in the hobby ... please give me an UPDATE on the layout and any improvements and / or upgrades ... BOB HERE
Thanks Bob. This layout is still together. I will not upgrade or improve anything on this. This is my grandfathers layout, he is no longer with us. So I just maintain the layout how he had. Its a joy to run.
Great operational layout. Looks like a lot of fun.
It is!
Your grandfather has a classic post war Lionel layout.
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+trainroomgary Thanks Gary. This layout means the world to me. He and this layout got me into trains.
Awesome layout .
Thanks.
Glad video is still up , its great !
For sure. Have no plans to take it down. Glad you enjoy it.
The 2025 steam locomotive always looks better with a 2 wheel trailing truck. Usher smaller engine built to a normal size looks much better than a big engine that has been crunched and compressed to run on 031 radius curves. Many railroads had prairie locomotive and they were fast and good running engines. Death valley Scotty used one on his world record attempt to go between Chicago and California. The switches were actually spike in place so he could run them at a much faster speed than normal on his speed record attempt.
This was cool. Nice layout to. Like it all!
Thanks im happy you enjoyed it.
those post wars are the best, along with the smell of ozone in the air from them a/c brush motors.
Yes John, I fully agree
LOVE THE J CLASS !!!
Sharky Fish Best part is it looks to be the rare long stripe version. That’s worth serious money.
Hi Zac,
GREAT to see those postwar lionel trains running .
Brings back LOTS of memories !
Remember the old timex watch commericals ?
+pjasyl Thanks for the comment. I think i have seen the commercials you are talking about.
Wow, that is one impressive layout , I especially love the j class and how it snakes around those curves.
Bens Trains thank you sir. It’s probably my favorite layout to run on.
Yep I can see why its your favorite. Its one of my favorites too.
I normally make a smart ass comment about 3 rail track as I had Flyer S gage as a kid. In this case however, I appreciate your grand fathers obvious enthusiasm and you are lucky to have his layout available. Thank you for sharing.
Zac You Have A Railroad There. I Think Your From West Virginia, Iam in Bluefield Right On The Bottom Of the state.I Love them passenger cars behind the j class N&W.
Question Them Passenger Custom Painted You Do Them Yourself?
Thanks. Yes I’m from WV. This is my grandfathers layout. That we brought back to life to make a video of
Hey Zac, it's so great to see that this layout is still together. Really a piece of an awesome era! Are you going to refurbish it and keep it? Thanks for sharing,
-Ethan
+efitter7 Your welcome. Our plan is to leave it just how it is. I dont want to change it at all, Just keep it running.
I know have my father in laws Lionel Post war O gauge 1945ish, we are setting it up, we do not have much room, it us pretty cool
I love the crude-ness of these old Lionel layouts. They really have a unique charm to them. How does your grandfather feel about all the new technology on the trains now? Have you showed him the vision line Big Boy?
+TheSteamKing Thanks for the comment. Im not sure how he would feel about the new technology if he was still here. I sure do wish he was still here to ask him.
I love the old buzzing noises and the smoke pellets...! CLASSIC
I would love track plans this is one of the best interactive lionel layouts I've seen
I can probably build it in rrtrack if you want
@Jokers_Trains dude I would love that thank you! I'm going to try and replicate it with fast track
Your trains run good
This is the realism of Lionel post-war without trying to make it realistic. The layout and accessories have an aged, industrial look.
Thanks for the comment. I appreciate you watching.
Don't know if you're even still active on TH-cam, but I would suggest restoring the layout and upgrade the track supporting, as it would appear the tracks may eventually become too weak to hold the engines properly. Love the layout though.l, especially since it's themed in my home state.
Sudrian Signal Man thanks. Yes I’m still active just haven’t made a video in a while.
Hey! What a great layout ya got there, man! I wish mine was as big as this (I only have a 4x8 table) and I love all those k4's! I just have one question, what is that one loco, i think #1927, i thought i saw 8 drivers, but also a k4 style front, what is it? Is it custom? If so, I might piece one together it looks awesome! Thanks A LOT for sharring!
+R and Z studios the 1927 is a berkshire that my grandfather changed around to be how he wanted it.
With New & Improved 'Magnolock-Traction!!!
I think his track design was probably a master piece it just needed some TLC
Thanks Jimmy. I’m actually making a new video of this layout this week. This layout is not ran anymore so we try to get back in running condition with the little amount of time we have. As of yesterday it was running pretty good.
can you make a video on a running session of the layout and show how the coal loader works and maybe if you find behind the scenes pictures of the layout add those too. please, I am very intrigued with this layout
The coal loader is not a operational thing. I actually plan to make 2 videos when I go back to film again. As this will be the last chance I get. The layout will be torn down in the coming months
@@Jokers_Trains why will it be torn down
@@oldshape3876 my grandparents have both passed. And the property owners what to take it down
@@Jokers_Trains if you are going to sell the house you should sell it with the train layout intact I read in one of the railroad magazines that there are realtors who specialize in homes that have beautiful model railroads that they steer two people who would want to buy the house because of the model railroad in the basement. Of course by the time I posted that layout is probably torn down. Tearing down a layout is one of the worst things you have to do. With the modular built custom layouts like from Dunham's Studios they can arrange to have the layout picked up brought to their place and sold. So many of our layouts were built with the idea that they would never be torn down. They had a story about one couple looking at a house and while the wife was upstairs looking at the house the husband was downstairs with the owner looking at the layout in the basement. He came upstairs and told her that if she likes the upstairs he likes to downstairs. It's much nicer when a layout gets a new owner for the next 50 years.
This is an Awesome layout. Is it possible to get a sketch of the track plan for this?
I will try to put one together in rrtrack
Thank You, I would greatly appreciate it. Looking forward to see it.@@Jokers_Trains
good video what was this controlled by a zw?
+lego crew lego Yes 2 of them.
+Zac Elliott ok thanks
Is it me or was that the Illinois central 382 cannonball express near the turn table? 🤔
lol, yes there is a model of it setting. it does not run however.
Did anyone else see the riverossie I.C.R.R 382 casey jones engine at the beginning of the video?
yes it is there. but just a model. it does not run
@@Jokers_Trains it's a very beautiful and rare locomotive
I now this is an old post but would love to know the actual size of this layout. It appears to be massive.
Im watning to say it is around 10 or 12 x 16 or 18 feet. It helps all the curves are small.
Either it’s a rare Lionel train accessory or your grandfather made it, How Did your grandfather get a functional Lionel postwar o27 turntable
🤣. He made it. Thanks for watching. I will have a new video of this layout soon
Good question, you guys still have this around?
Yes sir this layout is still standing and can be run with a little clean up.
Oh thank heavens! I was worried its gone
Is the track installed by your grandfather , is that what was called super 'O' ?
yes this track was installed by my grandfather. This was just standard Lionel tubular track. He added some ties under the track. There was one stick of ross track in there that replaced a section of the lionel track.
I got a post war set but I have no room to run it
West Virginia Central? Is this layout in West Virginia, by any chance?
Yes, it is
That's awesome. Where exactly, if you don't mind? I live in the Summersville area.
Marion County. The layout is empty now, the track is all still there but no engines or rolling stock unless I'm up to visit.
I don't blame you. I wouldn't want to leave that stuff sitting around somewhere like that, either. It's a neat old-school setup, though. I mean, DCC and the other modern stuff is fun but sometimes it's cool to see how this stuff was done "back in the day".
Next time I'm in WV I plan on making a new video. Set the layout up the way it was when my Grandfather was running it.
will see what I can do
What is the number of the train at 3:19
Lionel 2025. The engine is this video has been renumbered. Thanks for watching.
I wish I could help you preserve this layout
All good man. Maybe one day I can rebuild it
lionel should go into affordable quality HO,I've read some reviews, and they don't seem to be doing to good with the big stuff.
tony francesco they are on a rough stretch right now. But if they would go into HO I wouldn’t follow. Just not a HO kinda guy.
Yeah, I can see why one would think that lionel isn't doing to well right now, but I think the reason lionel isn't doing to well is probably because most people want more of the postwar stuff again I'm sure if lionel made engines look more vintage with magnetraction then their sales would be better. Also one last thing if lionel lowered their prices too, that would be better.