Once I had the pleasure of working on rebuilding a small oil rig while at shore. It gave me a small taste of what goes into marine engineering. This tour is wonderful. While it could easily be a 3 hour documentary, for a 10 minute video it gives a real sense of the scale of the equipment. With how clean the machine room is, to the sound of it purring along, this looks like a very well kept ship.
You can see the date on the computer in the ECR is 02/09/2012. Also, the crates in front of the M/E have the refurbished units for one of the generators. The spare pistons crowns & skirts are also refurbished.
Its nice knowing that sharing your video i felt had could one working on that ship!thank you for sharing multi video,by the way eventhough hasn't name on each!but it make help a lot!Mabuhay!
You need to have one. I sailed on a vessel were our lathe became more or less an essential service. When the electric motor of the lathe broke down, departure from our next port of call was delayed by half a day until we received the new motor. C/E refused to leave without it. (And no, that was not for hobby work😅)
OK, fine. I'll not argue. Actually, it is possible it is yours, because of that part around spare cylinder, and piston rings. It does not look as new. But funny is, I was taking video of this one, and I have taken exactly same path trough E/R as you did. But it was on her maiden voyage from Pusan, while everything was still shiny and new.
I'm confused, the engine makes full power at 94rpm, the throttle(?) shown at 0:27 is in the "Full Ahead" position which I assume equals full power. So why do the M/E rpm gauges read 75rpm? Is the "Full Ahead" speed normally derated and is this engine ever operated at 94rpm? Thanks
The handle is in the full ahead position and the engine can do 94 rpm. For economical reasons (fuel) owners can decide to to lower the rpm for a long time. These ships are sailing on a tight schedule. It happens that a berth is not available or that you want to arrive on a certain time (08.00 alongside e.g.) between ports. Adapting your speed is than cheaper than arriving early at the anchorage and having to lay at anchor for halve a day or more. On the bridge (and of course also in the E.R.) they can set the desired rpm
Hey bro , are the purifiers Alfa Laval or Mitsubishi? Very big stuff out there :O Also , what about incinerator , E/R fans , emergency D/G , steering gear room and aux.boiler ? I would like to see them too , if you have a video , pls upload it , thanks for the tour ...
Purifiers are Alfa Laval, incinerator was not in use due to company policy, Steering gear was Mitsubishi 4 cyl, 2 ram configuration (vid can be found on my channel), aux boiler is the big silver cyl around 1.09 (seperate from the EGB). Also a vid of the em'cy gen can be found on my channel.
Thanks for the info. I wasn't quite sure, but from sound of it it makes logical sense. I didn't realise from the specs you offered that there was anything larger than Doosan/Wärtsilä RTA series (such as 14RTAFlex96C). This one is only 12 cylinder but with slightly bigger bore by two cm and stroke is higher as well than D/W engine (which is found on Emma Maersk). (Also what iis name of your ship)? Thanks again!
Thanks. I'm old sailor Ship's Electrician from 1958 - 1966. Now age 71. No container ships yet when I served 7 years sea service on Burma Five Star Line ships. This is a good video for old sailor like me. The Main Engine is Hyundai copy of M.A.N Burmeister & Waine. (B&W). Aux Generators are big. High Votage 6,600 Volts Pumps?? No old style Telegraph. Must be direct remote controlled from Bridge? Do you have Two Electrical Engineers? E/E and Asst. E/E?? Hope the food on ship is good. Bye.
well that gives a new meaning to drifting & why going to be able to participate in events & use my own car is worth moving on to bigger & better engines. does the strip of bloodine clothing tell us when to stay racing, car drivers or what? either way a racing team having a offensive awareness, & a ship to transport they're cars is worth the love. GR8 vid
68640kW (92048bhp) @ 94rpm. What is the shaft gear reduction value?I have a question, something what is not maybe used often i practice. Theoretical assumption or practical knowledge what would be the effects on this ship or any bigger sized ship (loaded or empty) of putting a ship engine in full ahead from place (0 knots speed)? extensive vibrations or is there a possibility of damage to ship frame, engine foundation, etc...?
Ok, the crank shaft is directly coupled to the drive shaft which is directly coupled to the propeller, there is no reduction gearbox, so when the engine is at 94rpm so it the propeller (8m dia). The engine can go full ahead or full astern from 0 knots or full speed without any damage, only excessive vibration. The damage to the ships hull happens when you try to turn full port or stbd. At full speed the rudder will only move between 0 and 5 degrees (max 50 deg).
bullettoothtony2007 Thank you for that information. I asked this because before some time on the internet, I ran on discussion about cargo ship acceleration and one of the participants wrote something (if i remember correctly) that cargo ships avoid this practice because possibility of structural damage although he maybe spoke about older cargo ships even maybe about steam powered vessels, I don´t recall details of discussion. "The damage to the ships hull happens when you try to turn full port or stbd." I know that rudder and steering gear can be damaged if turned full to port or stbd during high speeds or full engine power and that rudders can experience "cavitation erosion", but that the hull can be damaged is new to me. I presume this is because excessive force of rudder torque applied on ship longitudinal axis coupled maybe with sideways drift resistance due to high rate of turn, and heeling? "At full speed the rudder will only move between 0 and 5 degrees (max 50 deg)." I losing track here... So this means that when ship is at full speed, say 25 kt, the steering gear mechanism will not allow that rudder go beyond 5 deg to port/stbd or is something else? If true is limit "proportional" to speed, something like rudder ratio vs speed or engine rpm? (max 50)? Now I´m really confused:) How much I know that the rudder of this ship goes 35 deg to port/stbd, so this from my perspective looks like 25 deg to port or starboard, but then what about 0 to 5 deg limit? In any case, thank you for given info.
Yamato980 The angle of the rudder is not 'mechanically' limited in any way when the ship is full away. The helmsman likes to keep rudder movement to a minimum as more angle means more force on the rudder stock and more drag, slowing the ship, costing more fuel. Small rudder movements will allow the ship to take the path of least resistance through the sea which is the most fuel efficient. When the ship enters or exits port or any time manoeuvring the speed is significantly reduced so larger movements of the rudder can be used without danger to machinery. If the ship were to try and turn as fast as possible at full speed (say another ship was stranded in her path) this would cause significant bending forces on the ships hull which can lead to permanent deformation and damage to the hull and sub structure.
Dear Bullettoothtony: Nice vid. As indeed I am becoming fast well aquainted with marine diesel (I have had interest for years and only wish that I can actually be around them as engineer (whatever rank). Now, I love turbocharger drone and especially rythmic clatter on top deck. Now my question is, is this 'clatter' from injectors or perhaps hydraulic exhaust valve actuators? From videos here on TH-cam, I can't quite tell which for certain. I would L O V E to stand on top deck underway just to feel vibration, sense heat and engine room smells (can't do that on video, only sight and sound)! However now, unfortunately, I know absolutely NO ONE in merchant marine industry! All I do know is one English instructor, Svetlana, from training ship Pallada from former CCCP, and only recently, Second Officer of Kaiwo Maru which just called into our port in San Francisco this past week. If I can afford it (or once I can) I shall look into attending NIST in Yokohama (National Institute of Sea Training). Thanks
Thank you for your interest. I truly do love my job. The clatter on the top deck you are referring to is the hydraulic actuator opening the exhaust valve.
why they cant control vibration.its a lot of things to control that n why the structure will be damaged ? only because u want to turn the ship fast? i thing the engineer. are sleep at the wheel the problem is outside not at rhe engine room or ship structure much less the propeller shaft. i have that solution for it ..
Education. It would not make it worse if you are friends with the owners or captain. Connection and education is what you need. Mostly education though.
Two E/E???!!! It's a dream of engineers. Unfortunately with rising of the ship's size quantity of crew falling down. Owners say that it's full of automatic, computers, nano-technologies) and bla bla... In fact engineers get hell a lot of problems, useless alarms, overcomplicated equipments. Some of the biggest container ships don't have E/E onboard! Mostly it is reefer electrician with nothing to do in enginee room).
Once I had the pleasure of working on rebuilding a small oil rig while at shore. It gave me a small taste of what goes into marine engineering. This tour is wonderful. While it could easily be a 3 hour documentary, for a 10 minute video it gives a real sense of the scale of the equipment.
With how clean the machine room is, to the sound of it purring along, this looks like a very well kept ship.
Hi brought back some memories nice clean engine room 10 out of 10
very good video
Thats one clean engine room!
Ha i love how the doors you go through get progressively greasier
You can see the date on the computer in the ECR is 02/09/2012. Also, the crates in front of the M/E have the refurbished units for one of the generators. The spare pistons crowns & skirts are also refurbished.
Its nice knowing that sharing your video i felt had could one working on that ship!thank you for sharing multi video,by the way eventhough hasn't name on each!but it make help a lot!Mabuhay!
I wish I knew what everything was it would make it that much more interesting.. awesome video I'm absolutely amazed
wow! had no idea a ships power-plant took up so much square feet. thanks for the vid "Engineering".
That's cool that they have a machine shop and a fabricator onboard :)
You need to have one. I sailed on a vessel were our lathe became more or less an essential service. When the electric motor of the lathe broke down, departure from our next port of call was delayed by half a day until we received the new motor. C/E refused to leave without it. (And no, that was not for hobby work😅)
This ship has a good main engine, Hydundai -12K98MC with Alpha Lubricator CLO system ....
What a wonderful video, thanks for share this material i love to have a job like that. have a nice day.
Thank you for sharing this video...nice and clean engine machine..i mis this...tnx
nice and cleaned engine room
yep, 7000 rpm near full speed. Loudest part of the engine room is when you walk past them.
I miss my sailing days!!!😭😭😭
OK, fine. I'll not argue. Actually, it is possible it is yours, because of that part around spare cylinder, and piston rings. It does not look as new. But funny is, I was taking video of this one, and I have taken exactly same path trough E/R as you did. But it was on her maiden voyage from Pusan, while everything was still shiny and new.
How does MAN Engines performance compared with Sulzer / Wartsila Engines!
Where did you get this one? I was recording this on CMA CGM Vivaldi.
I'm confused, the engine makes full power at 94rpm, the throttle(?) shown at 0:27 is in the "Full Ahead" position which I assume equals full power. So why do the M/E rpm gauges read 75rpm? Is the "Full Ahead" speed normally derated and is this engine ever operated at 94rpm? Thanks
The handle is in the full ahead position and the engine can do 94 rpm. For economical reasons (fuel) owners can decide to to lower the rpm for a long time.
These ships are sailing on a tight schedule. It happens that a berth is not available or that you want to arrive on a certain time (08.00 alongside e.g.) between ports. Adapting your speed is than cheaper than arriving early at the anchorage and having to lay at anchor for halve a day or more.
On the bridge (and of course also in the E.R.) they can set the desired rpm
That high pitched whine. Is that large turbo chargers I am hearing? Great video.
Yes
So many moving parts...so many things that can go wrong. How do you manage it all?
Hey bro , are the purifiers Alfa Laval or Mitsubishi? Very big stuff out there :O Also , what about incinerator , E/R fans , emergency D/G , steering gear room and aux.boiler ? I would like to see them too , if you have a video , pls upload it , thanks for the tour ...
Purifiers are Alfa Laval, incinerator was not in use due to company policy, Steering gear was Mitsubishi 4 cyl, 2 ram configuration (vid can be found on my channel), aux boiler is the big silver cyl around 1.09 (seperate from the EGB). Also a vid of the em'cy gen can be found on my channel.
Thanks for the info. I wasn't quite sure, but from sound of it it makes logical sense.
I didn't realise from the specs you offered that there was anything larger than Doosan/Wärtsilä RTA series (such as 14RTAFlex96C). This one is only 12 cylinder but with slightly bigger bore by two cm and stroke is higher as well than D/W engine (which is found on Emma Maersk).
(Also what iis name of your ship)?
Thanks again!
Thanks. I'm old sailor Ship's Electrician from 1958 - 1966. Now age 71. No container ships yet when I served 7 years sea service on Burma Five Star Line ships. This is a good video for old sailor like me. The Main Engine is Hyundai copy of M.A.N Burmeister & Waine. (B&W). Aux Generators are big. High Votage 6,600 Volts Pumps?? No old style Telegraph. Must be direct remote controlled from Bridge? Do you have Two Electrical Engineers? E/E and Asst. E/E?? Hope the food on ship is good. Bye.
A lot of mechanisms to support.
going to college for this at Great Lakes Maritime Academy but im doing Deck Officer.
Yes, just 5 diesel generators. No ME shaft or turbine generators.
well that gives a new meaning to drifting & why going to be able to participate in events & use my own car is worth moving on to bigger & better engines. does the strip of bloodine clothing tell us when to stay racing, car drivers or what? either way a racing team having a offensive awareness, & a ship to transport they're cars is worth the love. GR8 vid
What?!
Just thinking bout race car games like forza & why having 70 mill or more is enuff to buy a vessel & have a crew so i can get to a country to race
How are you the only one there? Where are the 50+ other guys shoveling coal into the furnace?
68640kW (92048bhp) @ 94rpm. What is the shaft gear reduction value?I have a question, something what is not maybe used often i practice. Theoretical assumption or practical knowledge what would be the effects on this ship or any bigger sized ship (loaded or empty) of putting a ship engine in full ahead from place (0 knots speed)? extensive vibrations or is there a possibility of damage to ship frame, engine foundation, etc...?
Ok, the crank shaft is directly coupled to the drive shaft which is directly coupled to the propeller, there is no reduction gearbox, so when the engine is at 94rpm so it the propeller (8m dia). The engine can go full ahead or full astern from 0 knots or full speed without any damage, only excessive vibration. The damage to the ships hull happens when you try to turn full port or stbd. At full speed the rudder will only move between 0 and 5 degrees (max 50 deg).
bullettoothtony2007 Thank you for that information. I asked this because before some time on the internet, I ran on discussion about cargo ship acceleration and one of the participants wrote something (if i remember correctly) that cargo ships avoid this practice because possibility of structural damage although he maybe spoke about older cargo ships even maybe about steam powered vessels, I don´t recall details of discussion.
"The damage to the ships hull happens when you try to turn full port or stbd."
I know that rudder and steering gear can be damaged if turned full to port or stbd during high speeds or full engine power and that rudders can experience "cavitation erosion", but that the hull can be damaged is new to me.
I presume this is because excessive force of rudder torque applied on ship longitudinal axis coupled maybe with sideways drift resistance due to high rate of turn, and heeling?
"At full speed the rudder will only move between 0 and 5 degrees (max 50 deg)."
I losing track here...
So this means that when ship is at full speed, say 25 kt, the steering gear mechanism will not allow that rudder go beyond 5 deg to port/stbd or is something else? If true is limit "proportional" to speed, something like rudder ratio vs speed or engine rpm?
(max 50)? Now I´m really confused:) How much I know that the rudder of this ship goes 35 deg to port/stbd, so this from my perspective looks like 25 deg to port or starboard, but then what about 0 to 5 deg limit?
In any case, thank you for given info.
Yamato980 The angle of the rudder is not 'mechanically' limited in any way when the ship is full away. The helmsman likes to keep rudder movement to a minimum as more angle means more force on the rudder stock and more drag, slowing the ship, costing more fuel. Small rudder movements will allow the ship to take the path of least resistance through the sea which is the most fuel efficient.
When the ship enters or exits port or any time manoeuvring the speed is significantly reduced so larger movements of the rudder can be used without danger to machinery.
If the ship were to try and turn as fast as possible at full speed (say another ship was stranded in her path) this would cause significant bending forces on the ships hull which can lead to permanent deformation and damage to the hull and sub structure.
bullettoothtony2007 Thank you much on explaining this.
Thank you for sharing this video....nice and clean engine machine..i mis this job..
det går for stærkt med at se maskinrummet , forvirende, der må gerne bruges mere tid på det så vilde det være mere pasende.
Is the noise always that bad? Do you get ear protectors when doing your engine shifts?
Ear muffs? Of course!
More video's please more halo!!! And was it 5 generators total?
Woo i cant imagine to work 8 hours whit that noise O_o
Yess true
Dear Bullettoothtony: Nice vid. As indeed I am becoming fast well aquainted with marine diesel (I have had interest for years and only wish that I can actually be around them as engineer (whatever rank). Now, I love turbocharger drone and especially rythmic clatter on top deck. Now my question is, is this 'clatter' from injectors or perhaps hydraulic exhaust valve actuators? From videos here on TH-cam, I can't quite tell which for certain.
I would L O V E to stand on top deck underway just to feel vibration, sense heat and engine room smells (can't do that on video, only sight and sound)!
However now, unfortunately, I know absolutely NO ONE in merchant marine industry! All I do know is one English instructor, Svetlana, from training ship Pallada from former CCCP, and only recently, Second Officer of Kaiwo Maru which just called into our port in San Francisco this past week.
If I can afford it (or once I can) I shall look into attending NIST in Yokohama (National Institute of Sea Training).
Thanks
Thank you for your interest. I truly do love my job. The clatter on the top deck you are referring to is the hydraulic actuator opening the exhaust valve.
What are the yellow arrows on the floor for?
Escape routes
What name of the ship?
Was that a 2 stroke or 4 stroke engine?
ALL large marine propulsion engines are 2-stroke
Thx for sharing .
what is the output rating of Main Engine.
68640kW (92048bhp) @ 94rpm
thanks
I recorded this video myself on the CMA CGM Vivaldi on 2nd Sept 2012, it is not copied from anywhere, it is my own original footage.
It's a lot of hard work and a lot of 15 hour days lol
Same with cma cgm norma
total generator 5?
amazing
Hard to tell what the engine is.
😂
I could sleep there
why they cant control vibration.its a lot of things to control that n why the structure will be damaged ? only because u want to turn the ship fast? i thing the engineer. are sleep at the wheel the problem is outside not at rhe engine room or ship structure much less the propeller shaft. i have that solution for it ..
How do I get this job?
Education.
It would not make it worse if you are friends with the owners or captain. Connection and education is what you need. Mostly education though.
that 3 blue engines are WARTSILA engines
No, they're MAN B&W 9L27-38. Vid can be found on my channel.
In the ECR very noise.Old ship
Two E/E???!!! It's a dream of engineers. Unfortunately with rising of the ship's size quantity of crew falling down. Owners say that it's full of automatic, computers, nano-technologies) and bla bla... In fact engineers get hell a lot of problems, useless alarms, overcomplicated equipments. Some of the biggest container ships don't have E/E onboard! Mostly it is reefer electrician with nothing to do in enginee room).
slowlly please :v
Pa like po
ha ha all of I know it. I doing this job too~oh purifier is alfa laval it look like westfalia XDD
Loud
Yes, I'm afraid the engine room of a container ship is very, very, loud. You can forget about wearing ear plugs, ear DEFENDERS are a must have!
Yes I agree nice tour I have never seen an engine room like that great video
I've also got a stabilised version now, you should check it out.
Cool
Whats the high pitch sound?
Don't use a camera like a water hose. First rule of filming anything. Lousy video..