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>Looks at thumbnail 'Oh, some French Baroque music' >Listens to the first few bars 'Oh, this isn't French Baroque.' >Looks up Jean-Féry Rebel 'Oh, it IS French Baroque. I'm only 40 seconds in and it's been an emotional rollercoaster already.
I just came to know he is my very far away grand grand grand father i did some research about my family and he was on the family tree i’m really blasting this on full volume now hope the neighbors dont mind if i replay it a couple of times🙏🏼
Wonderful. D-minor (D-F-A) plus diminished chord of C-sharp (C#-E-G-Bb). All the notes of the D-minor scale sounding in one chord (D-E-F-G-A-Bb-C#). Tonic and Dominant sounding at the same time. Beethoven did something similar in his Third Symphony (1803), First movement. Les Elémens was composed in 1737.
Color me surprised and impressed in multiple ways!! How skillfully the different characters of the piece are married together!! And unlike me, I did not select movements but was captivated enough to sit through the whole thing on first click!
Wow, why have I never heard of that composer and that incredibly exciting and refreshing composition? That's so unique and inventive! And a wonderful recording, too!
I usually hate TH-cam reconditions but this was recommended to me and I’m so glad I listened. So crazy and so intense I love love love it. I love that it’s the old style score too. A little hard to wrap my head around at times but printing was just such an art back then.
Yeah the 1st violins beginning the piece by reading in a French Violin Clef and the 2nd violins reading in soprano clef would throw me off when sight reading.
Heinrich Biber’s Battalia Suite and Sonata Representativa contain similar dissonant and extreme effects, including playing several tunes at the same time, explosive battle field effects, imitating the sounds of barnyard animals etc. Great fun. The recordings by Reinhard Goebel and the Musica Antiqua Ko:ln are worth seeking out.
You should also check for some Middle Age Music, it can be really puzzling. I suggest Machaut's Messe de Notre Dame and the shorter Solage's Fumeux fume par fumée.
Thank you! those are really great lists! mine is composer Giovanni Valentini (ca. 1582 - 1649). Some of his music contains highly chromatic passages such as his Sonata à 5 in G minor and Canzona à 6 in G minor. His sonata à 4 "Enharmonic" have an echo effect that alternates between G Minor and B Minor. I recommend a recording by the ACRONYM ensemble, they made a whole album for his music.
I've commented this piece in Thomas van Dun's channel, but other people uploading it again because probably Thomas van Dun's channel is having a problem I guess. But, I am grateful that you reuploaded this piece! :D
I find Rebel's “The Elements” very inventive in Baroque style, from how he begins his overture in diminised 7th with a D, changing keys from D Minor to G Minor and so on until it reaches D Major, and somehow the time signature of 18/12 in his II Loure in Les Elemens, and even changing from 18/12 to 2/4 when the music finishes, and even the violins changed from 6/4 to 18/12 after the melody was repeated
Though Rebel was earlier; he was a representant of mature Baroque, whereas Händel is of late Baroque; Rameau, C.P.E. Bach and early Haydn belong to Roccoco.
@@rosiefay7283 in a way, if you're referring to the surprise opening of the first symphony for instance. But this kind of rhetorical device Beethoven learned from Haydn I suppose. And regarding the dissonance: Grosse Fugue springs to mind as well of course.
When this piece was first performed in 1737, it was without the introduction: "Le Chaos". "Le Chaos" was premiered alone in 1738 and it seems it was quite well-received. We can even read in the gazette "le Mercure de France": "[it] is considered, according to the most expert ones, as one of the most beautiful pieces of simphonie that there is in this genre"
Just found the channel and subscribed. Thanks for putting all this together. One question. With reference to "Le Cahos", did Beethoven know this music? It could just be me but I'm hearing strange parallels.
Well, it's the exact same chord that opens the Ninth's last movement. :D But we can't know if Beethoven knew this piece. Sound not very likely, though, I don't think French Baroque was very popular in 18th century Germany.
I almost miss the words to describe how striking is "Le Cahos" to me. It beats all my sense of aesthetics in a high level... The initial bars with that cluster chord is nothing compared to the delicacy of that pair of soprano recorders playing the "air" in those fluttering trills, and that pair of traverso flutes playing that sliding "water" melodies. What a subtleness, what an artistry! Neither the overture to "Zaïs" by Rameau can be compared to "Le Cahos" by Rebel.
@Junhyuk Kwon That is part of it for sure. Allemand-Gigues are another big example - written in 4/4 but played in 6/8. Improvised fugues, continuo, so much wasn’t written down. But more universal stylistic things, like playing inégal or double dotting, harmonizing simple keyboard pieces, ornamenting the melody (not playing exactly what’s written) - all this stuff was just part of music back in the day. Things weren’t so set in stone or tied to the page.
Wow. OK, well I started off thinking "This is amazing, but is it actually any good?" It was the Fire Chaconne at 22:54 that converted me. It sounds exactly like Michael Nyman's imitation-baroque music for The Draughtman's Contract, but it's the real thing.
It's still so fun when orchestra creates that sonic experience, you just can't quite distinguish where that one sound comes from and you think that it's sound of a sine wave or something else, just out of nowhere
They're not "weird", are just what were custom for the time. :) The old clef used here are the "French treble" (you read it like a Bass clef, but two octave higher), and the Soprano clef (pretty common still in the first half of 1800).
@@SPscorevideos yes that's right. Still a nuisance to read these days though as they are obsolete hehe. If you do find a score with modern clefs that would be great to upload too :) thank you for sharing this video too
I know everybody's drooling with the intro, but outside the first impression this is a pretty basic piece of uninteresting music. Give me a Telemann suite any day.
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Credits, please
>Looks at thumbnail
'Oh, some French Baroque music'
>Listens to the first few bars
'Oh, this isn't French Baroque.'
>Looks up Jean-Féry Rebel
'Oh, it IS French Baroque.
I'm only 40 seconds in and it's been an emotional rollercoaster already.
The same occurred to me. Lol
@@millennial8441 No it didnt.
It's.... THE CHAOS!!!!
@@Millo1868 "Cahos" - spelling dating back to that time!
@@suchabadkitty1293lol
I just came to know he is my very far away grand grand grand father i did some research about my family and he was on the family tree i’m really blasting this on full volume now hope the neighbors dont mind if i replay it a couple of times🙏🏼
Wow!!!!! thats incredible!!! congratulations!
Very nice👍🏽
That's crazy!
Your great-great grandfather is merely the grandfather of your grandfather/mother. Are you sure you've got that right?
@@maxgregorycompositions6216sure got him there smartass
Okay, I wasn't expecting to find something like this.
Nor I did .... extremely audacious indeed ..... Great pleasant surprise
@@pietrolandri6081 It sounds more neobaroque than a true baroque piece. It sounds like what a baroque fan would have composed nowadays.
Very unexpected indeed - in the best way possible. Maybe his surname Rebel wasn't a mere coincidence... ;-)
This is incredible
Nice to see my Masterpiece be played!
Those first chords... **Chef's kiss**
Everyone talks about the first chords, but no one is talking about how AWESOME AND EPIC the rest of this piece is!
This would be incredible to hear in concert.
The Philadelphia Orchestra is playing the first section in November 2022.
RELIC Baroque orchestra played this in Greenbelt Maryland, yesterday. :)
@@inlawstremblewhere can I hear the whole thing?
Needless to say, that opening chord was very shocking to hear (in a good way) :)
I thought it was Modern music
@@samuelolah9097 Same
Wonderful. D-minor (D-F-A) plus diminished chord of C-sharp (C#-E-G-Bb). All the notes of the D-minor scale sounding in one chord (D-E-F-G-A-Bb-C#). Tonic and Dominant sounding at the same time. Beethoven did something similar in his Third Symphony (1803), First movement. Les Elémens was composed in 1737.
@@Woodcut60 Bit gimmicky, if you ask me.
@@alexandergrant2420 How would you compose "Chaos" in music?
He was a Rebel indeed !
Color me surprised and impressed in multiple ways!! How skillfully the different characters of the piece are married together!! And unlike me, I did not select movements but was captivated enough to sit through the whole thing on first click!
It is a masterpiece that should be give more attention
Wow, why have I never heard of that composer and that incredibly exciting and refreshing composition? That's so unique and inventive! And a wonderful recording, too!
I usually hate TH-cam reconditions but this was recommended to me and I’m so glad I listened. So crazy and so intense I love love love it. I love that it’s the old style score too. A little hard to wrap my head around at times but printing was just such an art back then.
I don’t like reconditions either
What a discovery! So glad I found this.
1737?!?
Thanks for the post. Definitely on my list of innovative works to transcribe to a modern typeset score at some point, so I can study it better.
Yeah the 1st violins beginning the piece by reading in a French Violin Clef and the 2nd violins reading in soprano clef would throw me off when sight reading.
Excellent recording!
Why is this so good?
Do anyone have more pieces from baroque period or earlier that have it's quirkiness or sounded ahead of time like this?
Heinrich Biber’s Battalia Suite and Sonata Representativa contain similar dissonant and extreme effects, including playing several tunes at the same time, explosive battle field effects, imitating the sounds of barnyard animals etc. Great fun. The recordings by Reinhard Goebel and the Musica Antiqua Ko:ln are worth seeking out.
You should also check for some Middle Age Music, it can be really puzzling. I suggest Machaut's Messe de Notre Dame and the shorter Solage's Fumeux fume par fumée.
Thank you! those are really great lists! mine is composer Giovanni Valentini (ca. 1582 - 1649). Some of his music contains highly chromatic passages such as his Sonata à 5 in G minor and Canzona à 6 in G minor. His sonata à 4 "Enharmonic" have an echo effect that alternates between G Minor and B Minor.
I recommend a recording by the ACRONYM ensemble, they made a whole album for his music.
@@sippakorn_p Thank you, I didn't know Valentini!
Renaissance and before music was surprisingly very free and innovative. It really wasn't until the Baroque era that the rules for CPE were set
This is pure madness im in awe!!
Rebel almost jumps the shark to Impressionism ❤
Damn, this must have blown some 18th Century minds.
I've commented this piece in Thomas van Dun's channel, but other people uploading it again because probably Thomas van Dun's channel is having a problem I guess. But, I am grateful that you reuploaded this piece! :D
It's just that Thomas wanted to get rid of the videos on his channel and asked to us score video makers to reupload them as we like. :)
@@SPscorevideos I don't expect you commented my comment so fast hahaha. Oh, I see, thank you for the explanation. :)
I find Rebel's “The Elements” very inventive in Baroque style, from how he begins his overture in diminised 7th with a D, changing keys from D Minor to G Minor and so on until it reaches D Major, and somehow the time signature of 18/12 in his II Loure in Les Elemens, and even changing from 18/12 to 2/4 when the music finishes, and even the violins changed from 6/4 to 18/12 after the melody was repeated
Geese! Polychord madness in Baroque times. My guess is this was not a popular work?
This is so cool!
The beginning sounds like music of 21 century
20th Century, rather. Schönberg, probably...
Alfred Schnittke😉 And an exhilarating piece in general reminding of Rameau, CPE Bach, Händel and early Haydn.
Though Rebel was earlier; he was a representant of mature Baroque, whereas Händel is of late Baroque; Rameau, C.P.E. Bach and early Haydn belong to Roccoco.
But that chaotic first chord? Who else could that remind us of, but Beethoven.
@@rosiefay7283 in a way, if you're referring to the surprise opening of the first symphony for instance. But this kind of rhetorical device Beethoven learned from Haydn I suppose. And regarding the dissonance: Grosse Fugue springs to mind as well of course.
Heinrich Ignaz Bieber must have loved this shit. This is awesome!
Well - I think this is the Christopher Hogwood version (Academy of Ancient Music). You know? The guy who always plays the wrong tune! :D
Awesome!!!
I wonder how this far out piece was received was received by the public at the première. Sth like the Sacre in 1911 ?
I can't find any info about how the work was received at the time. But French Baroque was not so unfamiliar with such oddities... ;)
Surprising also that the rest of Rebels' output is rather traditional.
When this piece was first performed in 1737, it was without the introduction: "Le Chaos". "Le Chaos" was premiered alone in 1738 and it seems it was quite well-received. We can even read in the gazette "le Mercure de France": "[it] is considered, according to the most expert ones, as one of the most beautiful pieces of simphonie that there is in this genre"
@@elinathanferlay1013 Thank you! I couldn't find any info about that!
My grandma called this "jester " music. She would say that it reminded her of gay men dancing around in tights. God bless her soul!! 😄
Lol
I like your grandma’s way of thinking.
I've seen many gay men dancing in tights, but usually to hardcore techno not...this :P...perhaps in 1737 :)
@@1233-p5f and some have the nerve to say classical music is "boring" 😄
What did I just read? lmao
Это Гениально!!!
Delightful!
Just found the channel and subscribed. Thanks for putting all this together. One question. With reference to "Le Cahos", did Beethoven know this music? It could just be me but I'm hearing strange parallels.
Well, it's the exact same chord that opens the Ninth's last movement. :D
But we can't know if Beethoven knew this piece. Sound not very likely, though, I don't think French Baroque was very popular in 18th century Germany.
Reminds me a lot of his 4th symphony's opening, aside from the Beethoven 9 chords
@@SPscorevideos And in the very same key.
At 18:50 the car beeping outside my house lined up with the beat of the song
Pretty good recording quality for the 17th century, what mics did you use?
I almost miss the words to describe how striking is "Le Cahos" to me. It beats all my sense of aesthetics in a high level... The initial bars with that cluster chord is nothing compared to the delicacy of that pair of soprano recorders playing the "air" in those fluttering trills, and that pair of traverso flutes playing that sliding "water" melodies. What a subtleness, what an artistry! Neither the overture to "Zaïs" by Rameau can be compared to "Le Cahos" by Rebel.
Stravinsky that you?
This music was clearly inspired by fire breathing monsters of the imagination, rather than rational beauty of the natural world.
6:59 Is that a baroque swing? 😃 ... is that really historically accurate?
Perfectly accurate: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notes_in%C3%A9gales
I'm most familiar with Bach, and I've never heard of that. Interesting!
Typically, the farther back you go in musical history, the more was left up to the performer. Music was something you did, not something you read.
@Junhyuk Kwon That is part of it for sure. Allemand-Gigues are another big example - written in 4/4 but played in 6/8. Improvised fugues, continuo, so much wasn’t written down. But more universal stylistic things, like playing inégal or double dotting, harmonizing simple keyboard pieces, ornamenting the melody (not playing exactly what’s written) - all this stuff was just part of music back in the day. Things weren’t so set in stone or tied to the page.
@@smuecke it's *most commonly* found in French or French-style Baroque music.
*disclaimer - not saying it doesn't happen in anything else...
It's nice to see the score along with the music. Unfortunately, the order of the movements has been changed, it destroys the balance.
Wow. OK, well I started off thinking "This is amazing, but is it actually any good?" It was the Fire Chaconne at 22:54 that converted me. It sounds exactly like Michael Nyman's imitation-baroque music for The Draughtman's Contract, but it's the real thing.
Ligeti, is that you?
That’s from the 1700s?
Yeah, if you heard the rest of it
There's a weird additional sound at .32-.33. Almost sounds like a discord ping.
The "weird additional sound" are a couple of recorders...
It's still so fun when orchestra creates that sonic experience, you just can't quite distinguish where that one sound comes from and you think that it's sound of a sine wave or something else, just out of nowhere
Holy shit
What was that...Stravinsky? Bartók?
Maybe. Might be this new composer named Rebel
@@Chipsomedip what a Rebel!
Your TH-cam title is missing a "t" in "Les Elémen(t)s". The search engine found it anyway. However, this may be the old French spelling....
Yes, it's the old French spelling. :)
@@SPscorevideos 👌🏻
Rebel was trully rebel
Wow
Wooow
🤩🎖🎖🎖🎖🎖
first bars sounds like mordern music
Schnittke, is that you?
Lol
😮
O.O
chaos
This has nothing to envy Vivaldi
Figured bass: 7#, 2,3,4,5,6 flat lol
E assim vão aparecendo os dissonantes rs
Why the weird clefs?!! I thought they were treble/alto/bass until I realised it didn't match... gah. But amazing music!
They're not "weird", are just what were custom for the time. :)
The old clef used here are the "French treble" (you read it like a Bass clef, but two octave higher), and the Soprano clef (pretty common still in the first half of 1800).
@@SPscorevideos yes that's right. Still a nuisance to read these days though as they are obsolete hehe. If you do find a score with modern clefs that would be great to upload too :) thank you for sharing this video too
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8:44 k but wdym "gay" LMAO
Gay
Fellas, is it gay to play to play inégales?
@@Cherodar idk, is it gay to play swing as well??
@@carlosmendozapiano A lot of swung music is pretty happy, so I guess so.
@@Cherodar jazz=gay then
Not unlike Haydn's Chaos in Der Schöpfung
nein
he was born in the wrong era lol
I know everybody's drooling with the intro, but outside the first impression this is a pretty basic piece of uninteresting music. Give me a Telemann suite any day.
First minutes are interesting but the piece soon gets more boring after that
Well...a piece made for violas...
???
Violas? Are you saying that because of the clef? Lol it's not actually an alto clef :)
@@ijdoti haha! Nice catch! But no, I was making a poor joke about the tuning 😅 I do love the extended use of c-clefs though!
@@NicoleFelker1673 lmao thank you for explaining the joke - you are hilarious! 🤣