I usually don't watch extremly long videos but this was so interesting I literally watched all of it. Thanks for uploading! Please do more of these in the future when there are balance changes/updates. Bringing other SM members for the talk was also really interesting as well!
The dude's an alright flyer, but too often confidence makes people believe you know wtf you're talking about, couldn't be further from the truth. Intrepid flies a lot like an Arrow with less dps, but somehow it's rookie lvl while Arrow is expert? Makes no sense. The Mustang got a massive maneuverability boost in 3.24. It pitches, Yaws and rolls better than the Merlin, with 4x S2's giving it twice the dps and nearly 4x the hp. Sure, it's slightly slower, but somehow i'm supposed to believe the Merlin surpasses it in everything? Nonsense. I see way too many people taking TH-camrs seriously when a lot of them will make tier lists yet don't even know how to get in the back of a Mustang Beta... or that a Zeus has 2x S4...
It's the razor and M50 being above the F7AmkII that blows my mind. I think Verg nailed it when he floated the idea that A1 has an agenda with this list. Maybe trying to influence CIG with reverse psychology or something dumb.
Overall I can appreciate the video (mind you I am only 20 min in), but you can not knock/change/compare Avenger's numbers unless you actually know how and why they were rated what they were. You obviously didn't take ANY time to watch his vid to find out why so you can compare on a similar system, or at least have an informed rebuttal. Not saying I or you should agree with his numbers, but this video starts out making you all seem like idiots (which we know you are not), or at min just making things up as you go. Threat, Control, and Survivability are rated differently than you assumed. Threat is the number given IF that ship actually got it guns pointed at you. That is why an Inferno is a 9 is because if you are hit by that size 7 it really hurts. Control is how fast and maneuverable the ship is, not how well it can control a fight (though it can be thought of similarly I guess). This is why an Inferno gets a 9-2 because it hurts when it hits, but that 2 means it will probably never get the opportunity. Survivability is shields, hitpoints, armor (when that is implemented), cross-section, and its ability to get the hell out of the way (dodge). These things all affect its survivability.
ikr? If you look at it, everyone is using the Firebird and F7A Hornet to great effect, that's what you will find the most anywhere, so basically the "META" Well, those two are the easiest two ships to handle and be good in. Just to be sure, that's why it has the green 4 in the corner, it's a ship a beginner can drop in and be effective. And by that grading they are at the top. The reason the others are above those is because they have that speed. To qoute the vid "Noone is using speed, and all of these above have speed" Yeh, because not everyone has the skill to abuse speed, but that is the meta in 3V3's. Don't take it the wrong way, I can't abuse it either. But when I fly a Sabre (similar flight performance as Hornet) for instance, I can feel it's "hardcapped" Like I couldn't have done more when I die, but in a Gladius? I always feel like there was a way the ship could have gotten me out of that situation, because there mostly was.
Having only bought the 325a in 2013 and having this ship for now 10 years it is really painful how (after all this time) this ship explodes only after being looked at from other ships:( I am not sad that my "starter" ship is really not "that" great, its just sad that you immediatly buy a new ship after a wipe
Im new to SC but im here for this kind of content, most people around here seems too carebear and afraid to hurt someones feelings, this is interesting especially after i already watched both lists. Also link the channels of the other guys please
It seems like A1 counts on everyone wanting to take him down; so he rates speed and control as survivability while his mates just chase the pursuers. To me this is just continuing to exploit hit register and speed /tracking flaws vs actual combat control
F7C Ghost! If you have a friend who has an F7A they can pass the turret to you and you can store, unequip and re-equip a missile and you have a tricked out fighter with good stealth capabilities :D
@@DudeYourAJerk you CANNOT put the F7A mk1 turret on the F7C mk1 chassis ships anymore, you heard correct. Buddy owns an F7A mk1 and we confirmed it was patched
I am exclusively flying a zues es in Pyro. Have been in multiple encounters with guardians and hornet mkiis. Stayed in combat and survived every time. It's what I got. It's been all red when I got out but I have not died to a player yet. Lol
@IssaSouriant don't think so starlancer max is already out. Most likely starlancer tac and bld are already on their final stages or maybe done already. Remember idris is already done they are just waiting for squadron launch just like guardian, waited till 4.0 preview to release.
@@ronelicabandi9706 yes but are still waiting for spirit E1, so idk... We'll see but I learned to be patient and to not count on devs for delivering things I want to see in the game quickly, as a 600i owner I know I need patience 😅 As long as the game works properly I'm cool with it, ships should not be the main goal of cig anyways.
@@IssaSouriant the e1's case is different. Like the genesis there is no available or plans for passenger transport gameplay loop. But hopefully they address the 600i rework. Its long over due.
i think if you listen to avengers logic you may see it different but without the logic i agree his list has to much random of good calls and odd placements but your list is better for simple perception i think avengers list is so complicated where a c tier ship can beat an a tier but its c because of several reasons so he just complicates the list oddly
@@toxicityD even if the list was accurate (it's not), the premise is just too unrealistic for how the game actually works outside of tournaments with very specific rulesets.
125a has interceptor speed and light fighter maneuverability, it flies amazing. If it wasn't made of paper it'd be A or S... otherwise I agree with your critique of the list. Also that was the talon shrike missile boat. While *I* agree with you about the 325a astro mani (he's a pvper, not hard core though) doesn't (because he claims the 325a flies great it atmo)
Heck yeah!!! Haha it made me laugh as soon as i saw it. Dude is clearly still just upset about not having a gimmick of a trichording Arrow meta and looks for any other illogical reasoning or tactic for why a ship is "meta" I have friends that had to have accounts unsuspend after he's accused them of hacking and they supplied video evidence they were in fact not. Dude's really kinda not a good vibe for the game anymore honestly, time for him to go back to another flight sim.
A1 thrives off jank game issues, picking fights with average pu players and runs away at the moment any real challenge shows itself. Have watched him alt f4 out of a fight a few times, blame stream sniping, ram polaris etc and then proceed to turn around and try to lecture us while sitting near the creek in the woods. What a guy
Great video and thank you. It’s nice that you can have these debates respectfully about the content and not the person when challenging these ideas 👏 It’s funny how as a non combat specialist I just accepted the ‘argument from authority’ in A1’s presentation and list but now I listen to this I realise I just accepted it and don’t think about it. I think the structure behind A1’s list is well thought out but very flawed in hindsight. 3v3 doesn’t account for teamwork or experience in each group for starters which impacts each ships effectiveness from expert to beginner. The biggest flaw here I think is in Threat. Threat needs to be considered along the same lines as a Hazard in industrial terms; its potential damage versus likelihood of applying that damage which in this situation is dependant on Control. I think maybe Control or maybe Control and Survivability need to be added to the Threat score to make it more relevant. Or something like that. It’s just not a complete picture is it? I think you guys need to break out of A1’s system here as it’s restricting your thinking to this model only and create your own and redo them all?
First, I like Vergil. However, you can’t evaluate a tier list without getting the perspective right. Without that, this commentary is just a petty b1tch fest. Avenger never said this was a competition list. It’s a general PVP list with typical PU engagements. Specifically, your opponents and your group are not super coordinated and the fight is optional for one side or the other. That’s why Avenger prioritizes being able to “control” how and when the fight takes place. In random unorganized engagements, a smart bucc pilot gets to kill a smart hornet pilot whenever the hornet is vulnerable but a hornet pilot rarely gets to force the fight against a smart bucc pilot (unless the bucc needs to defend something). It’s like wolves and bison. A bison would destroy a wolf if both are trapped in a cage. And bison will go back to back to defend themselves from wolves. However, a bison cannot expect to kill a wolf as the wolves decide if and when a fight takes place. On the flip side, as soon as bison is separated, it’s dead. It can be healthy, mature, the best of its kind. It doesn’t matter, a pack of opportunistic wolves will kill it without taking a scratch. This may seem dishonourable, yet we generally admire wolves and are indifferent towards bison. You can wax poetic all you want but effective has a beauty all its own. All the talk about “win condition” was also very telling as nobody thought of the lose condition. The bucc and other interceptor lose if they mess up and take a fight they shouldn’t. A hornet loses whenever they are at a disadvantage. Thus, for the general PU pilot doing random pvp, bucc>hornet. If you need to defend something, hornet>bucc.
This whole list is based around team fighting not dueling. Im sure it would be a very different list otherwise. Also understanding that 95% of players are not "trained" pilots, only the green ships really apply on this list for the average player.
I agree about the green ships comment but we're not using dueling to justify our decisions. But the ability to fight face to face is still an important aspect and shouldn't be ignored.
@@Ver9jl I hear that, but the ability to dictate when you take fight's and when you leave fights trumps DPS every time. Watching the "interceptor meta" is a thing of beauty. Again, 1V1 is a very different list. 2v2, 2v4, 2v10... this list is pretty accurate. 2 experts in M50's/Archimedes is winning the the fight against 10 experts in F7A's.... Im not that good yet. I wouldnt win.. dont have the patience.
Is it me or people in the chat saying they got a 800m emission Firebirds that just don't get it? What's the point of having that low emissions with a 3.8k Cross-section? They'll still pick you up at around 4km...
I'll poke at this. A lot of people don't understand how the stealth values work. The percentage bonus for being a stealth craft is already included in your values. And your cross section will depend on the profile your displaying. Both these things require a little understanding.
The fact that you criticize Avenger's scoring without bothering to watch the video in which he explains the scouting metrics right in the beginning is wild.
@@Zadvocate09 Those numbers are useless anyway. I'm sure our audience already understands what loadouts these ships have (ex. Ion has a S7 cannon). We can all look at Erkul and see ships stats.
@@SaintNyx This would have been a better video, then, if you had skipped the complaining about the numbers you chose not to understand and just focused on the substantive disagreements with the tier listings.
does no one see the green check mark? it means best in class there is no chip in its class that is better the F7A owns anything that isnt interceptor... but a pro pilot in an interceptor has nothing to fear as in the duels the F7A have trouble tracking/ nose on target... you guys need to test the F7A against an interceptor org... you will see my org is using fewer ravens to defeat greater numbers of F7A. though i cant recommend an F7A enough as most players can get more wins with an F7A than a interceptor. im not going to say im the best out there but im trained well enough to eat F7A in an interceptor of my choice. flying ravens shine a bit more in atmo. as its so funny to watch your opponent bounce and often explode when it crashes to planet a razor with stealth can often break your lock and move fast enough to hit and run before you can re-establish lock. i dont have this ship and refuse to burn hours of flight time in it.... i only train 4 ships. how will i ever lean to compete with so many ships as i joined the competitive late and need a couple ships i can murder with before i expand but watching others hand ass with razors is a surprise to me when i witness it.
@@SaintNyx not sure what is in your head but if you think its fear your IQ is worthy of pitty. maybe theres something wrong with your group??? might you or most you toxic? i ask because i often ignore griefers and their toxic mouths but when i hear players crying about griefers i go and shut them up!!!! might your org be filled with toxic people that avenger wants to ignore? when he talks about tough competition your org is never mentioned.... sorry but im pretty new to org level PVP so i never hear of you. i really hop you are not a bunch of deplorable misfits. win or lose i have neary $10k in ships many duplicates so im ready to take a loss and be back in fight faster than most. i will get good some day but im not far as i win more than i lose. i intend to remain anonymous to avoid the rising drama im seeing otherwise i a lowly new guy wipe the floor with most of you on avengers behalf but shit talking is not welcome so it must remain a mystery
I like the 325a - it's the only ship I've killed in my Glaive this patch 😂
Based!
Thank you for uploading this, I watched both the tier lists the other day and this is peak content!
I usually don't watch extremly long videos but this was so interesting I literally watched all of it. Thanks for uploading! Please do more of these in the future when there are balance changes/updates. Bringing other SM members for the talk was also really interesting as well!
Damn was looking forward to this one, doesn't disappoint!
The Nomad jumpscare in C tier really got me 💀💀😂
Bro what the heck lol
Loved watching his video, your video, and then your opinions on his ranking. Love all the info.
Can’t get past his Intrepid placement…what was he thinking?!
The dude's an alright flyer, but too often confidence makes people believe you know wtf you're talking about, couldn't be further from the truth.
Intrepid flies a lot like an Arrow with less dps, but somehow it's rookie lvl while Arrow is expert? Makes no sense.
The Mustang got a massive maneuverability boost in 3.24. It pitches, Yaws and rolls better than the Merlin, with 4x S2's giving it twice the dps and nearly 4x the hp. Sure, it's slightly slower, but somehow i'm supposed to believe the Merlin surpasses it in everything? Nonsense.
I see way too many people taking TH-camrs seriously when a lot of them will make tier lists yet don't even know how to get in the back of a Mustang Beta... or that a Zeus has 2x S4...
It's the razor and M50 being above the F7AmkII that blows my mind. I think Verg nailed it when he floated the idea that A1 has an agenda with this list. Maybe trying to influence CIG with reverse psychology or something dumb.
not a pvp player, tried to use the intrepid to some pve mission. the ship hull is so weak, get damaged so easily.
His list is solely based on his experience in arena commander and there’s no real life application involved with it.
Thanks for uploading, I saw it was live at 1am my time and was really hoping there would be a VOD
Overall I can appreciate the video (mind you I am only 20 min in), but you can not knock/change/compare Avenger's numbers unless you actually know how and why they were rated what they were. You obviously didn't take ANY time to watch his vid to find out why so you can compare on a similar system, or at least have an informed rebuttal. Not saying I or you should agree with his numbers, but this video starts out making you all seem like idiots (which we know you are not), or at min just making things up as you go. Threat, Control, and Survivability are rated differently than you assumed. Threat is the number given IF that ship actually got it guns pointed at you. That is why an Inferno is a 9 is because if you are hit by that size 7 it really hurts. Control is how fast and maneuverable the ship is, not how well it can control a fight (though it can be thought of similarly I guess). This is why an Inferno gets a 9-2 because it hurts when it hits, but that 2 means it will probably never get the opportunity. Survivability is shields, hitpoints, armor (when that is implemented), cross-section, and its ability to get the hell out of the way (dodge). These things all affect its survivability.
ikr? If you look at it, everyone is using the Firebird and F7A Hornet to great effect, that's what you will find the most anywhere, so basically the "META"
Well, those two are the easiest two ships to handle and be good in. Just to be sure, that's why it has the green 4 in the corner, it's a ship a beginner can drop in and be effective. And by that grading they are at the top.
The reason the others are above those is because they have that speed. To qoute the vid "Noone is using speed, and all of these above have speed"
Yeh, because not everyone has the skill to abuse speed, but that is the meta in 3V3's. Don't take it the wrong way, I can't abuse it either. But when I fly a Sabre (similar flight performance as Hornet) for instance, I can feel it's "hardcapped" Like I couldn't have done more when I die, but in a Gladius? I always feel like there was a way the ship could have gotten me out of that situation, because there mostly was.
They refer to the video and the reasons avenger gave the ratings multiple times during the stream, proving they watched the whole thing.
This was so much fun. Like going to the circus!
I just came here to watch hand cam.
As an industry player it is very interesting to listen to the PVP perspectives.
Having only bought the 325a in 2013 and having this ship for now 10 years it is really painful how (after all this time) this ship explodes only after being looked at from other ships:(
I am not sad that my "starter" ship is really not "that" great, its just sad that you immediatly buy a new ship after a wipe
Im new to SC but im here for this kind of content, most people around here seems too carebear and afraid to hurt someones feelings, this is interesting especially after i already watched both lists. Also link the channels of the other guys please
Imagine a clueless exec at CIG seeing the F7A at B and telling Yogi to buff it KEKW
How is Guardian with 2x S5 2 tiers below Intrepid with 1x S4? lol
My experience with guardians is they can't flare missiles, making you a sad panda.
Based on Avenger Ones list I tried to dogfight in a M50. Yeah, I was hard to hit but try to make another ship pop with its two badger repeater
I really wish they would nerf the hornet mk2 I think they made a huge mistake making it just a flat upgrade to the mk 1.
He should just change his account name from Avenger One to Avenger Run 😂
It seems like A1 counts on everyone wanting to take him down; so he rates speed and control as survivability while his mates just chase the pursuers. To me this is just continuing to exploit hit register and speed /tracking flaws vs actual combat control
I love a good roast. I love the smell of properly cooked meat
Saint is fucking hilarious 😂
As someone who missed the f7a token, gladius or f7c? As a rookie pilot I should add.
F7C Ghost! If you have a friend who has an F7A they can pass the turret to you and you can store, unequip and re-equip a missile and you have a tricked out fighter with good stealth capabilities :D
Turrets cant be mounted anymore @mattzarella4169
@ I was told this was patched recently.
@@DudeYourAJerk you CANNOT put the F7A mk1 turret on the F7C mk1 chassis ships anymore, you heard correct. Buddy owns an F7A mk1 and we confirmed it was patched
@@DudeYourAJerk I believe the F7A Token will come back. Personally I’d go with either F7C or Gladius
2hours 44minutes 19seconds?
rly?
Thats round about lotr two towers...
@@zeroone01101 it’s only a stream vod
Wait the ESP is broken if not in gimbal mode? I didn't know that I just thought ESP was fully broken
Hey Virg!!! Great vid!!!
I am exclusively flying a zues es in Pyro. Have been in multiple encounters with guardians and hornet mkiis. Stayed in combat and survived every time. It's what I got. It's been all red when I got out but I have not died to a player yet. Lol
For now I think fury will not get nerf. Probably get even buffed. Remember starlancer tac is coming out soon. They probably put it on sale with it.
What if Starlancer TAC gets totally forgotten by CIG like most of the ships theire announcing ?
@IssaSouriant don't think so starlancer max is already out. Most likely starlancer tac and bld are already on their final stages or maybe done already. Remember idris is already done they are just waiting for squadron launch just like guardian, waited till 4.0 preview to release.
@@ronelicabandi9706 yes but are still waiting for spirit E1, so idk... We'll see but I learned to be patient and to not count on devs for delivering things I want to see in the game quickly, as a 600i owner I know I need patience 😅
As long as the game works properly I'm cool with it, ships should not be the main goal of cig anyways.
@@IssaSouriant the e1's case is different. Like the genesis there is no available or plans for passenger transport gameplay loop. But hopefully they address the 600i rework. Its long over due.
How is the talon less durable than the glad and stealthier if it wasnt bugged now I think its decent.
I enjoy A1's content and yours haha. I enjoyed the discussion and civility, keep it up!
ironically I like the gladius which is ironic
Thank you guys
i think if you listen to avengers logic you may see it different but without the logic i agree his list has to much random of good calls and odd placements
but your list is better for simple perception i think avengers list is so complicated where a c tier ship can beat an a tier but its c because of several reasons so he just complicates the list oddly
The best thing avenger did was set a more solid criteria as the premise for his tier list.
@@toxicityD even if the list was accurate (it's not), the premise is just too unrealistic for how the game actually works outside of tournaments with very specific rulesets.
125a has interceptor speed and light fighter maneuverability, it flies amazing. If it wasn't made of paper it'd be A or S... otherwise I agree with your critique of the list. Also that was the talon shrike missile boat. While *I* agree with you about the 325a astro mani (he's a pvper, not hard core though) doesn't (because he claims the 325a flies great it atmo)
I'm not a PVP'r but I was hoping for this video. A1 is something else lol.
is really Saint Nyx saying at the very beginning of the video "here it is the list of the fuxxxng pig"?
Nah, it was "there's the fuckin ping" out of context referencing Vergil pinging our Discord server. LOL
@@SaintNyx cool, it would be a little too much
@filippobonni8377 yeah agreed, we’re roasting the tier list here. Insulting the guy like that ain’t our style.
Is mantis the ONLY ship that stops NAV mode completely??
No there’s 3 others
You don't need convergence on centered guns. Convergence is for wingmounted guns.
Heck yeah!!! Haha it made me laugh as soon as i saw it. Dude is clearly still just upset about not having a gimmick of a trichording Arrow meta and looks for any other illogical reasoning or tactic for why a ship is "meta"
I have friends that had to have accounts unsuspend after he's accused them of hacking and they supplied video evidence they were in fact not.
Dude's really kinda not a good vibe for the game anymore honestly, time for him to go back to another flight sim.
A1 thrives off jank game issues, picking fights with average pu players and runs away at the moment any real challenge shows itself.
Have watched him alt f4 out of a fight a few times, blame stream sniping, ram polaris etc and then proceed to turn around and try to lecture us while sitting near the creek in the woods.
What a guy
Great video and thank you. It’s nice that you can have these debates respectfully about the content and not the person when challenging these ideas 👏
It’s funny how as a non combat specialist I just accepted the ‘argument from authority’ in A1’s presentation and list but now I listen to this I realise I just accepted it and don’t think about it. I think the structure behind A1’s list is well thought out but very flawed in hindsight. 3v3 doesn’t account for teamwork or experience in each group for starters which impacts each ships effectiveness from expert to beginner. The biggest flaw here I think is in Threat. Threat needs to be considered along the same lines as a Hazard in industrial terms; its potential damage versus likelihood of applying that damage which in this situation is dependant on Control. I think maybe Control or maybe Control and Survivability need to be added to the Threat score to make it more relevant. Or something like that. It’s just not a complete picture is it? I think you guys need to break out of A1’s system here as it’s restricting your thinking to this model only and create your own and redo them all?
I uploaded my own the day before he did
@ is it linked here so I can take a look?…it’s ok I found it through your channel 👍
An almost 3 hour video? Someone lives in your head rent free 😂
@@JollygreenFullSteam Lol sure thing, definitely not a video of us just having fun
Thx was super funny 😅 , but i dont get your mousehandcam
Always down for clowning on Avenger 1
First, I like Vergil. However, you can’t evaluate a tier list without getting the perspective right. Without that, this commentary is just a petty b1tch fest.
Avenger never said this was a competition list. It’s a general PVP list with typical PU engagements. Specifically, your opponents and your group are not super coordinated and the fight is optional for one side or the other. That’s why Avenger prioritizes being able to “control” how and when the fight takes place.
In random unorganized engagements, a smart bucc pilot gets to kill a smart hornet pilot whenever the hornet is vulnerable but a hornet pilot rarely gets to force the fight against a smart bucc pilot (unless the bucc needs to defend something).
It’s like wolves and bison. A bison would destroy a wolf if both are trapped in a cage. And bison will go back to back to defend themselves from wolves. However, a bison cannot expect to kill a wolf as the wolves decide if and when a fight takes place.
On the flip side, as soon as bison is separated, it’s dead. It can be healthy, mature, the best of its kind. It doesn’t matter, a pack of opportunistic wolves will kill it without taking a scratch.
This may seem dishonourable, yet we generally admire wolves and are indifferent towards bison. You can wax poetic all you want but effective has a beauty all its own.
All the talk about “win condition” was also very telling as nobody thought of the lose condition. The bucc and other interceptor lose if they mess up and take a fight they shouldn’t. A hornet loses whenever they are at a disadvantage.
Thus, for the general PU pilot doing random pvp, bucc>hornet. If you need to defend something, hornet>bucc.
bonkers indeed
This whole list is based around team fighting not dueling. Im sure it would be a very different list otherwise. Also understanding that 95% of players are not "trained" pilots, only the green ships really apply on this list for the average player.
I agree about the green ships comment but we're not using dueling to justify our decisions. But the ability to fight face to face is still an important aspect and shouldn't be ignored.
@@Ver9jl I hear that, but the ability to dictate when you take fight's and when you leave fights trumps DPS every time. Watching the "interceptor meta" is a thing of beauty. Again, 1V1 is a very different list. 2v2, 2v4, 2v10... this list is pretty accurate. 2 experts in M50's/Archimedes is winning the the fight against 10 experts in F7A's.... Im not that good yet. I wouldnt win.. dont have the patience.
Is it me or people in the chat saying they got a 800m emission Firebirds that just don't get it? What's the point of having that low emissions with a 3.8k Cross-section? They'll still pick you up at around 4km...
I'll poke at this. A lot of people don't understand how the stealth values work. The percentage bonus for being a stealth craft is already included in your values. And your cross section will depend on the profile your displaying. Both these things require a little understanding.
3.8k cross section is only if you are showing your belly towards the enemy. The Cross section is much smaller if you are facing the enemy.
The fact that you criticize Avenger's scoring without bothering to watch the video in which he explains the scouting metrics right in the beginning is wild.
Well we can't react directly the video due to copyright. Also everyone knows you just scout with a Firebird.
@SaintNyx you don't need to react to the video to watch the first five minutes of it to know what he means by "threat," for instance.
@@Zadvocate09 Those numbers are useless anyway. I'm sure our audience already understands what loadouts these ships have (ex. Ion has a S7 cannon). We can all look at Erkul and see ships stats.
@@SaintNyx This would have been a better video, then, if you had skipped the complaining about the numbers you chose not to understand and just focused on the substantive disagreements with the tier listings.
@@Zadvocate09 The numbers don't make sense even by his standards. 125a is a 5 level threat? lmao
This isn’t bad but I’ve killed some many fury’s in arena commander that I can’t understand
A1 is pretty deep in his analysis. The snubs are only good in expert level trained pilots. Gotta understand the numbers on his rankings.
@ so higher chance running in to a fury is going to be low threat unless you run in to an expert which is not as common
The reason there is no constellation is because he only rated 1 and 2 seater ships. So no Connie. Or Polaris. Or Hammerhead.
Zeus is 3 seats
@@Thumbinurbum Take that up with A1. He said he was doing 1 and 2 seaters. Also, I don't think you need 3 people to man all the guns.
@@latjolajban81 u need one on a Connie 🤷♂️
@@Thumbinurbum As I said. Take it up with A1. He said he did 1 and 2 seaters. Guess there's co pilots and turrets and shit on the connie?
Ironic because no one flies a Connie with more than 1 pilot. It is effectively a single seater ship.
does no one see the green check mark? it means best in class there is no chip in its class that is better the F7A owns anything that isnt interceptor... but a pro pilot in an interceptor has nothing to fear as in the duels the F7A have trouble tracking/ nose on target... you guys need to test the F7A against an interceptor org... you will see
my org is using fewer ravens to defeat greater numbers of F7A. though i cant recommend an F7A enough as most players can get more wins with an F7A than a interceptor. im not going to say im the best out there but im trained well enough to eat F7A in an interceptor of my choice. flying ravens shine a bit more in atmo. as its so funny to watch your opponent bounce and often explode when it crashes to planet
a razor with stealth can often break your lock and move fast enough to hit and run before you can re-establish lock. i dont have this ship and refuse to burn hours of flight time in it.... i only train 4 ships. how will i ever lean to compete with so many ships as i joined the competitive late and need a couple ships i can murder with before i expand but watching others hand ass with razors is a surprise to me when i witness it.
Well we offered Avenger a 3v3 (F7As vs. interceptors) and he declined, so there's your answer.
@@SaintNyx well would you look at that. he said never turn down a good fight.. must be busy
@@paratrooperz1 testing the tier list was his idea actually, but he refused to fight us specifically and not other groups 🤣
@@SaintNyx not sure what is in your head but if you think its fear your IQ is worthy of pitty. maybe theres something wrong with your group???
might you or most you toxic?
i ask because i often ignore griefers and their toxic mouths but when i hear players crying about griefers i go and shut them up!!!!
might your org be filled with toxic people that avenger wants to ignore?
when he talks about tough competition your org is never mentioned.... sorry but im pretty new to org level PVP so i never hear of you.
i really hop you are not a bunch of deplorable misfits. win or lose i have neary $10k in ships many duplicates so im ready to take a loss and be back in fight faster than most. i will get good some day but im not far as i win more than i lose.
i intend to remain anonymous to avoid the rising drama im seeing otherwise i a lowly new guy wipe the floor with most of you on avengers behalf but shit talking is not welcome so it must remain a mystery
A well deserved roast. He totally did this because he saw you do it.
This is the dumbest take of all time. He has been doing these for years.
@Sephiroth1550 cry about it.
You do know that his stream was up around the same time as the SM video was posted right? But facts don't matter
Yet again, you can see he has been doing pvp tier lists for YEARS. You had a dumb take. Own it.