I hate esports piggies who think if a game isn't at main stage EVO it doesn't exist. It only takes two people to play a fighting game. I don't have to play anything I don't want to.
I know anime fighter means a few different things in the fgc... But can someone acknowledge for me that SF started by ripping some stuff of the pages of Dragon Ball, has had several anime adaptations, and is thematically anime as fuck? Hell, Ibuki throws Rasengans. When Gustavo or others use anime as a derisive term, like, your game isn't that different, bro. Genuinely perplexing.
I really, really like Snake Eyez, but he's just super wrong on this. Like, to put it in perspective, Fuudo just casually walked in from VF5 onto the SFIV scene one year and then proceeded to win Evo on his first try. There's always someone stronger, and the next best thing may not even be playing the game yet.
@@Pandaman64 Honestly I'm not surprised. While not exclusive to fighting games, this attitude is definitely a defining feature for them, and Street fighter is no exception, if not the posterboy.
@@deadfr0g I'm a VF player and can say that I don't actually agree about the VF skills transferring to other 2D. If anything it helps to other 3D like Tekken. I just think Fuudo had the right skills to do it period. Same with Gentlemantheif that traitor.
Daigo didn't help him at all with training and insights. And foodo was a genius to begin with... Not every vf player is on foodo level man... Get real.
As a long time KoF fan I've been hearing SF players say weird bigot stuff since the early nineties. No KoF is not a "ghetto copy" of streetfigter. No most KoF players are not people who lost in pool in an SF tournament and decided to play another game. They seriously act like they are Ryu and we are Dan.
Time is limited tough, and you need time and other people who put the same effort to create a fighting game community. I feel like competitiveness between the games is inevitable since we still are a nieche genre. We're doing much better than before, tough
100% right man, I, and the majority of people agree with you. The vocal minority are the people talking about "your game is trash blah blah" but most people respect FGC members for just being fighting game players. We have more in common with each other than we have different. I mean hey, I don't take smash bros seriously AT ALL personally but I respect that people really be out there reading frame data for Mario and shit, lmao. The FGC hustle is real and the lab takes many different forms.
Every game in the same category compete with each other, same for MOBA, sports games, shooting games. I think ppl should just stick to what they like, there is no way every fighting game fan would be able to support all games.
Sajam is like that cool sagely older cousin who tries to teach you the ways of the world and reform you into a functioning, civilized adult that comports themselves with dignity and sensibility.
I really like them's fightin' herds; it's pretty, has good rollback, and i can play with different people who are really good at the game. i'd recommend it for anyone who wishes to play the game
WTF is this attitude? It's popular so it doesn't need to have good netcode? What kind of argument is that? This dude doesn't even know that the "weird anime shit" has God awful netcode, too.
Always a shame when people speak from such a bubble and swing their shotgun assumptions all over the place. Twitter definitely makes it worse though...
Don't think he ever said the game doesn't need good netcode because it's popular. He said he likes the game aside from the netcode. This is someone who plays in tournaments and plays the game a lot online.
@@daylanxa7983 At least ArcSys games are actually playable online, not a burning mountain of garbage for 4 full years after release, where some random guy's 2 day fix is what gets in.
SF players just have this prestigious air about them just because they play SF. You kind of get discredited just because you play anything else but SF. That attitude needs to end
I think u are so spot on with that comment at the end. Some people just want to complain and feel like they are being heard. They dont care about the problem being solved, only that they are voicing their frustrations.
Theory: Top SF players stick with the game for so long because they've achieved so much over their time, that now they would rather protect their status then jump over to something different (Like a 'bathroom weeb anime gaeme') and have to start over from scratch, and potentially get stomped by nobodies. They love being top players more than they love the game.
@@Next-xm2dh Not necessarily. Picture this scenario from another perspective. Imagine if another dev like NRS or ArcSys were the one with the timeless legacy and Guilty Gear was the Evo staple every year, getting all the esports/tv deals and sponsors instead of SF, you'd have the same top players saying the same thing, especially if SF was known for being the series with all the 'Jehovah's Witness' fans trying to convert everybody because 'the netcode is great'. In that scenario, all the top GG players would be the ones going "pfft yeah okay go back to your bathroom grand finals with all 8 people in your bracket", because they'd feel the same way about their status. This could've happened to any game/developer
@@Next-xm2dh Exactly. My other point, which I don't mention very often, is that a lot of these pro players tend to forget that they used to be casuals too, and they don't speak for the rest of us in the FGC. But they're not ready for that TED talk yet.
For the record MvC2 had created the bathroom meme, but the meme stuck with Melty because we had been fiending for games at various tournaments and people had set ups anywhere there was an outlet available. S'all cool. Dead weird bathroom anime game still being played 12 years later lol~
"Y'all who are suggesting Dota players switch to some dead ass fighting games needs to go lol. No one wants to join you and the 2k concurrent players to watch the Grand Finals play out in some hotel's venue, regardless of how flawless G is" -- A hypothetic Dota2 player.
I'm not really versed in fighting games but it boggles the mind how there's so many people treating it like a dick measuring contest where you have to flex how many people play x game to justify your support and defense of it.
Managed to trick some of the people in my tiny locals into playing VSAV and now they're hooked. Doesn't matter if it's big or small, I'm just glad to be playing one of my favorite fighting games.
I'm picked up UNIclr and the netcode is rough. But I was playing low bar players. The game is fun af tho. Gonna get more active on the discord. I have no issue with SF5. I just wish the games I like had more players. It is what it is.
That's crazy! It's felt almost like offline for me, but maybe I'm just getting really lucky. The last games I played were SSBU and Tekken 7 and SCVI though so maybe my online expectations were just low lol
Uniclr netcode is pretty good for a Delay Based Netcode. I can get an average of 3f delay with just using 10mbps wifi connection. Still prefer they use GGPO tho.
In regards to Snake eyes comment that Sajam touched on. The FGC would be up in arms if that logic was applied with Smash. Ultimate is more popular, they have the largest player base right now therefore Smash Top players are better than all of games in the played FGC.. Fuudo was a VF player who won EVO, Kazunoko a GG player winning CC.. the irony that was overlooked lol. Great vid Sajam.. Yes bashing games are problematic.. But man this feels like deserved Karma for many of the SF elitists and their bulshit throughout the years. To those SF players that bash NRS \, anime and smash games dont get salty take that heat its yall turn now lol.
Snake eyes was talking about SF4. From 09... The fighting game that brought back the scene. The game that made him known. I'd say the man can be forgiven for how he felt at the time. There is no fandom or scene without this very thing sajam's complaining about. If he wants to appear enlightened and chill about it. Fine. But we wouldnt have what we do now if we all thought that way. Let's also ignore that anime games like GG and Gran Blue are trying to slow down. Bringing up comparisons to SF.
This is literally how I play fighters, I enjoy ALL the games I have on my PlayStation. If I ever get frustrated there’s literally no reason to bring that shit to social media No One Cares
Dmitrii Samsonov i agree with addressing problems a game has, that’s needed. there’s a difference when you’re addressing problems with a game while trashing other games/players of those said games
I can tell you for sure that Street Fighter players think they are god's gift to gaming and think they are the arbiters of what's a "real" fighting game. As someone coming over from Melee, I picked up Street Fighter because it was one of the easiest fighting games to learn. Some of the other games I was interested in were too intimidating in terms of execution and complexity. I figured I'd pick an easier one and work my way up as I got better at using fight sticks and doing those kinds of inputs and whatnot.
I have always been a Street Fighter Player. My friends got me to try Blazblue X tag. I love it. And the netcode is really good. Still play SF V on occasion. But sometimes a good game is just sitting there and you just don't know it until you try.
This netcode-patch broke people. I actually jumped on and tried some Seth and Gill and I haven't played the game in over a year... and holy shit. Why isn't all characters like them? Online was a smidge better for me than it used to be.
Everyone arguing their points on all these hypothetical situations 🙄 Just play whatever game you want to In my case I’ll just suck at everything but I enjoy a beer while I’m playing it
God that tweet about anime fighters was brain melting. Forget even trying rollback netcode, I'm still waiting for my second copy of undernight since there's never gonna be crossplay
I didn't mind Gus' rant here. I get where he's coming from. He's just tired, like much of the rest us, of people that don't play the game that blindly hate it for no reason. I mean, we all see it. He stooped to their level, and that's not great, I think he just wants the bullshit to stop. I ain't gonna blame him for speaking off the cuff. It was a gut reaction, we all have them. He's a great member of the community regardless.
This right here. So many people go out of their way to shit on SFV that the negativity is exhausting. Like you can't even talk about the game sometimes because people have to shit up the conversation with their 4 year old opinions. Like bro we don't care. Go play something else if you hate the game that much and leave us be. and in B4 "who cares what other people think, just play your game." Waaaay too many of y'all got tight about Strider saying something about your game or community for that to be how you really feel. It's also wrong. It hurts our game when it's constantly surrounded by negativity. I hear from people all the time talking about how they enjoy the game and wish they had tried SFV sooner but were put off by the bad rep people are desperate to keep alive. People want this game to die so bad and it's just wack. There's a lot of people that love SFV for what it is, even if it doesn't appeal to you and we just want people to play with, and to not be called shills or clout chasing or whatever else just cause you don't like the game.
I'm very late to this, but I think it's hilarious that the dude in the tweets clearly doesn't think Street Fighter is an anime game. Street Fighter is literally filled to the brim with anime tropes.
It ain't moe with a side of nonsensical Jojo homoeroticism is what was probably going through his head. Because ninja scroll is an anime but it's not an "anime". There's no teenage girl scrambling out the door to school with a piece of toast in her mouth in ninja scroll, there's no 6 year old girl with fox ears who is actually 1000 years old in Ninja Scroll (I'm not sure about that one actually it's been a minute).
I think soku falls into “weird anime game, but good netcode”. There’s a discord server with a decent amount of active players, and I can comfortably play most of them. It was a side event at Frosty Faustings with 26 players in the bracket, but the small bracket doesn’t mean I enjoyed it any less. I just like the game.
I just find it funny that street fighter mega fanboys make fun if "abîmé games" when street fighter itself since SF2 is anime as fuck, it is literally satire and exaggeration from character design, levels, quotes, story, etc. Kinda ironic
A few years ago? Snake Eyes said that several eons ago. He was talking about sfiv. I was in highschool when he said that. I graduated college 5 years ago...
*priest voice* Since SFVs 2nd Season, we could welcome many new people in the glorious church of anime fighter! A lot of these lambs never heard of a Gatling Combo in their life before and they started everything with crouching Lights and wonderd why they didn't deal any damage. Our new children have since then learned to love the interaction of Neutral and the added space of heaven for their playground. I invite all the curious and the interested in joining our community, we have advice and DPs for everyone! *priest voice ends* Seriously SFV made me hate SF. The player were so full of themself it was ridicoulis, it was worse during SFIV days, where there were SFIV player harrasing other FG forums on Steam, to tell them they play the inferior no skill game and they should all play SFIV instead. Who would want to be part of such a circus? Anyway after SFV was the trainwreck of disappointments that it was, at least for me, I started to look into other FGs. Turns out I do love Anime Fighter, especially Blazblue. Granblue is also awesome, combining the SF gameplay I liked with anime elements and adding GGs beautiful graphics on top of it..... sadly no PC port this far, I had to borrow a friends PS4 to play it. Melty Blood is also awesome, the game lets me play a Unga Bunga Shoto who hits like a truck has strong space control and strong pressure on top of big buttons. All in all, play what you like and if you're unhappy with your game, don't keep playing it just because it's "popular" check other FGs out, they all have active communitys and Discord is a great way to find people and matches.
Honestly, people are super hung up on population. If you have 20 active players globally and good netcode, you are set. If you have that and couple of randos dropping in once in a while, you can get a game almost whenever you want.
I don't get how people can afford to go to all these tournaments... I am from UK and if I flew to America / Europe everytime there was a tourney I would be skint
Sajam speaks the truth. But from a consumer standpoint, people can be legitimately concerned about having a sufficiently large player base if all they wanna do is play online matches. Not everyone is ready to take the Discord route and put the efforts required to join a community of players that's so limited it takes you hours of planning to get a few sets online.
most players that play street fighter do so because of clout and money. They will have a really hard time transitioning to another major game like mk or tekken, plus they don't make as much money. It makes sense that a lot of strong players from other games play sf. To say that those players are better than people that play x game is ridiculous. for example tokido played a crap ton of kof for many years. He put all his time into sf presumably because that's where he could grow his career and he already liked and was comfortable with that game therefore it was an obvious choice. However, I would also argue that if a game like kof had the same success in the states as it did in china, korea, latin america, and japan. He would probably be playing KOF right now instead, as would many other japanese players in respect to the game they used to play that didn't receive enough money to make a career out of it. Snake eyes would be like, yo players that play kof are this much more etc etc. Arguably Snake eyes' argument is more about which game allows you to create a career out of it not which games are either inherently more difficult or which games produce stronger players.
Well, it IS an issue when the FG you want to play is unpopular enough that you have a hard time finding people to play with on a regular basis. You have to start adjusting your daily schedule to the hours in which at least some people play (or reach out to players on discord, which is a hassle and they won't even always be available), and chances are the skill gap between a new player and anybody who still plays is so huge the newbie can't even learn much from his defeats. There's also most likely a lack of helpful content to watch and etc.
I think that reason is perfectly fine. This is also why the whole 'join the discord' advice is mostly meaningless. I love KOF 13 and SF Alpha 2 for example and those discords are a ghost town when I want to/able to play or people don't respond and are just talking about other things. Most of the fighters I love the most are small and getting games in is soo rare that the only way it seems I can 'scratch the fighting game itch' is to hop on SFV which I'm not the most fond of. Which is ultimately why I play other genres of games more than fighting games now (lack of good netcode in games aside).
Yo my dude. While I agree that if you're not in the top 1% of players, its dumb to even talk about, but theres a lot to be said about a meta gameplay becoming more optimal faster the more people play it. If you had two rooms, one with 10 people playing a game and one with 1000 people playing the same game, the room with 1000 people would improve faster. There are lots of studies on this with games like go and chess.
All I need is 1 opponent who really pushes me to enjoy just running sets for like 3 hours. I can fight 500 people in street fighter who ,even IF we can prove to be good challenges for each other, can't enjoy the fight through the lag. I don't play games where the developers seem malicious or incompetent to the players, bad netcode is incompetence that I will just NOT be compliant with.
I definitely don't think that top players in bigger scenes (SF, Tekken, Ultimate) are "better" than top players in smaller scenes. Just look at Go1, probably the best Melty Blood player ever, and now undeniably ZA STORONGESTO. However, I don't think it's crazy to suggest that more competitors/competition make it harder to perform consistently at the top level. In other words, rather than the skill of top players being on a different level in larger games, I think that the overall level of competition gets higher the more people there are trying to fight their way to the top.
The thing is pepole like it or not street fighter is the flagship series in the genere so it need to be at garou level of netcode. When we agree to accept sf5 netcode it like we say "sf is a game i only watch evo at and im fine if i cant' play it like it " I remember daigo once said it make him sad that many pepole that watch evo dont try to play the game.. he right but in the west you can't give sf your all cause the netcode suck and pepole defend it.
I've always been a big supporter of people playing what they enjoy. if you enjoy SFV, play SFV! but don't shit talk me try to get people interested in Poverty games on Fightcade. thankfully, the local scene I was doing this at was super supportive, and I did get people playing stuff like TSS and Cyberbots and had a great time playing.
"Melty Blood hasn't had a finals in a bathroom... in awhile"
lol
It was a dark time. They don't like to talk about it.
MK9 in the Texas Showdown bathroom, we'll never forget.
"Wait, you guys get to have bathroom finals?"
- DoA players, having to play outside on a TV sitting on top of a cardboard box
🤣🤣🤣
Damn son, someone else's bottom is another's top
@@Yaxye. was this *supposed* to sound like sexual power dynamics? cause thats what im getting here lmao
I hate esports piggies who think if a game isn't at main stage EVO it doesn't exist. It only takes two people to play a fighting game. I don't have to play anything I don't want to.
Cybrisk yeah I’m still playing pokken.
I’m always running into familiar names online. But we having fun, because the game is fun!
Amen to that
@@zzr7107 Netcode any good on Pokken?
elrapido5150 I’ve definitely had some really rough matches.
But most matches are fine.
It’s for sure way better then smash ultimate’s netcode😂
@@zzr7107 Still holds true nearly a year later. I should start playing Rivals instead of Smash.
I know anime fighter means a few different things in the fgc... But can someone acknowledge for me that SF started by ripping some stuff of the pages of Dragon Ball, has had several anime adaptations, and is thematically anime as fuck? Hell, Ibuki throws Rasengans. When Gustavo or others use anime as a derisive term, like, your game isn't that different, bro. Genuinely perplexing.
The bathroom finals meme may be old but I can’t help but laugh every time I hear it lmao
True but it's a dead joke at this point.
I really, really like Snake Eyez, but he's just super wrong on this.
Like, to put it in perspective, Fuudo just casually walked in from VF5 onto the SFIV scene one year and then proceeded to win Evo on his first try. There's always someone stronger, and the next best thing may not even be playing the game yet.
A comprehensive list of skills that transfer well from VF to SF:
- being f***ing brilliant
It's really weird for snake eyez to be saying this too, because it's not like he started in sf4.
@@Pandaman64
Honestly I'm not surprised. While not exclusive to fighting games, this attitude is definitely a defining feature for them, and Street fighter is no exception, if not the posterboy.
@@deadfr0g I'm a VF player and can say that I don't actually agree about the VF skills transferring to other 2D. If anything it helps to other 3D like Tekken. I just think Fuudo had the right skills to do it period. Same with Gentlemantheif that traitor.
Daigo didn't help him at all with training and insights. And foodo was a genius to begin with... Not every vf player is on foodo level man... Get real.
As a long time KoF fan I've been hearing SF players say weird bigot stuff since the early nineties. No KoF is not a "ghetto copy" of streetfigter. No most KoF players are not people who lost in pool in an SF tournament and decided to play another game. They seriously act like they are Ryu and we are Dan.
At least Dan got flavor and charisma
Can Street Fighter players even come outside nowadays?
It’s legit more like Ryu and Sagat. Used to be a high level rivalry but now it’s more lowkey.
“Play what you like”
Sajam hittin’ us with them hot takes tho
I think we are a struggling genre. We shouldn't be at each others throats, we should be helping each other thrive.
Time is limited tough, and you need time and other people who put the same effort to create a fighting game community. I feel like competitiveness between the games is inevitable since we still are a nieche genre. We're doing much better than before, tough
100% right man, I, and the majority of people agree with you. The vocal minority are the people talking about "your game is trash blah blah" but most people respect FGC members for just being fighting game players. We have more in common with each other than we have different. I mean hey, I don't take smash bros seriously AT ALL personally but I respect that people really be out there reading frame data for Mario and shit, lmao. The FGC hustle is real and the lab takes many different forms.
@@copiagueeagle lmao the last part of your comment legitimately made me laugh🤣
Every game in the same category compete with each other, same for MOBA, sports games, shooting games. I think ppl should just stick to what they like, there is no way every fighting game fan would be able to support all games.
No but we should support eachother in playing the games we like
My god, FGC Boomer really DOES exist.
@Super Mario I’m pretty sure the use of boomer is pretty much satire now and really only refers to an old person who acts ina specific way.
@Super Mario Shut up boomer
@Super Mario yikes. get with the times you senile fuck, jeez
@Super Mario boomers didn't fight WWII. The baby boom from which their name comes from is after the war
Garbage attitude and reasoning. Dudes like that are too abundant in the fgc.
I feel that SFV has the most tourneyfags out of all the FG games
Every year when Sajam mentions this video, Moste should make Snake Eyes' arm in the thumbnail _longer._
Good stuff as usual.
Sajam is like that cool sagely older cousin who tries to teach you the ways of the world and reform you into a functioning, civilized adult that comports themselves with dignity and sensibility.
Kazunoko, Dogura, Fuudo... 3 players that came from other games and has wrecked people IN Street Fighter
Forgive them Mike Ross they know not what they do
I really like them's fightin' herds; it's pretty, has good rollback, and i can play with different people who are really good at the game. i'd recommend it for anyone who wishes to play the game
I already watched this on stream and I just want to shout-out Moste for the thumbnail
The level of competition in fight if animals is far above any other scene
WTF is this attitude? It's popular so it doesn't need to have good netcode? What kind of argument is that? This dude doesn't even know that the "weird anime shit" has God awful netcode, too.
Always a shame when people speak from such a bubble and swing their shotgun assumptions all over the place.
Twitter definitely makes it worse though...
SFV netcode is godlike compared to anything ArcSys brings out
Don't think he ever said the game doesn't need good netcode because it's popular. He said he likes the game aside from the netcode. This is someone who plays in tournaments and plays the game a lot online.
@@daylanxa7983 yep, SFV Still Sucks Ass though
@@daylanxa7983 At least ArcSys games are actually playable online, not a burning mountain of garbage for 4 full years after release, where some random guy's 2 day fix is what gets in.
SF players just have this prestigious air about them just because they play SF. You kind of get discredited just because you play anything else but SF. That attitude needs to end
No it doesn't. Bathroom fighter fans are just salty it's not them.
Bustaperizm agree to disagree
Only someone who makes a living off playing a specific game would say something like that
I'm gonna play what I like AND be weird thank you very much, wanna see my collection of anime girl statues yes they're dry why do you ask
Leave me alone with my weird anime games, KI, Garou, MK and SG.
Jago a is a top tier waifu
Fulgore is my waifu man get yours
I think u are so spot on with that comment at the end. Some people just want to complain and feel like they are being heard. They dont care about the problem being solved, only that they are voicing their frustrations.
Theory: Top SF players stick with the game for so long because they've achieved so much over their time, that now they would rather protect their status then jump over to something different (Like a 'bathroom weeb anime gaeme') and have to start over from scratch, and potentially get stomped by nobodies. They love being top players more than they love the game.
Also, It's A Capcom Game
@@Next-xm2dh Not necessarily. Picture this scenario from another perspective. Imagine if another dev like NRS or ArcSys were the one with the timeless legacy and Guilty Gear was the Evo staple every year, getting all the esports/tv deals and sponsors instead of SF, you'd have the same top players saying the same thing, especially if SF was known for being the series with all the 'Jehovah's Witness' fans trying to convert everybody because 'the netcode is great'. In that scenario, all the top GG players would be the ones going "pfft yeah okay go back to your bathroom grand finals with all 8 people in your bracket", because they'd feel the same way about their status. This could've happened to any game/developer
@@paddyofurniture9523 I Know That, Capcom Is Just The One That Got All That Status
@@Next-xm2dh Exactly. My other point, which I don't mention very often, is that a lot of these pro players tend to forget that they used to be casuals too, and they don't speak for the rest of us in the FGC. But they're not ready for that TED talk yet.
@@Next-xm2dh Why Do You Type Like A Fucking Mouth Breather?
For the record MvC2 had created the bathroom meme, but the meme stuck with Melty because we had been fiending for games at various tournaments and people had set ups anywhere there was an outlet available.
S'all cool. Dead weird bathroom anime game still being played 12 years later lol~
Street fighter 5 is only slightly less weeby than anime games. Most non-anime fans can't even distinguish it from weird anime shit...
Alexander Fox I been saying that! The game anime as fuck. If it didn’t have chars with anime swag I wouldn’t be playing it!
Same goes for Tekken imo
Well SF is a japanese game...... Its 100% anime to me....
It's Pretty Anime, But I Still Think That Kof And Tekken Are More Anime ( And I Love Then For It )
Anime game = usually have an air dash of some type, and uses Japanese troups with the characters.
"Y'all who are suggesting Dota players switch to some dead ass fighting games needs to go lol.
No one wants to join you and the 2k concurrent players to watch the Grand Finals play out in some hotel's venue, regardless of how flawless G is" -- A hypothetic Dota2 player.
pretty much.
Punch Planet has been addicting! Don't care about how small or large. Gonna run the game at CB2020 Community Event.
Play & support what you love!
That game sucks play Fight of Animals
@@winnietheblue3633 The game sucks play kyanta 2
Trevward when did we phase out the word “addictive”?
Turbo Geschwindigkeit that game sucks play Shaq Fu
I'm not really versed in fighting games but it boggles the mind how there's so many people treating it like a dick measuring contest where you have to flex how many people play x game to justify your support and defense of it.
First time interacting with people?
Managed to trick some of the people in my tiny locals into playing VSAV and now they're hooked. Doesn't matter if it's big or small, I'm just glad to be playing one of my favorite fighting games.
I'm picked up UNIclr and the netcode is rough. But I was playing low bar players.
The game is fun af tho. Gonna get more active on the discord. I have no issue with SF5. I just wish the games I like had more players. It is what it is.
The netcode doesn't get any better at most levels but the games still Hella enjoyable.
That's crazy! It's felt almost like offline for me, but maybe I'm just getting really lucky. The last games I played were SSBU and Tekken 7 and SCVI though so maybe my online expectations were just low lol
Uniclr netcode is pretty good for a Delay Based Netcode. I can get an average of 3f delay with just using 10mbps wifi connection.
Still prefer they use GGPO tho.
In regards to Snake eyes comment that Sajam touched on. The FGC would be up in arms if that logic was applied with Smash. Ultimate is more popular, they have the largest player base right now therefore Smash Top players are better than all of games in the played FGC.. Fuudo was a VF player who won EVO, Kazunoko a GG player winning CC.. the irony that was overlooked lol. Great vid Sajam.. Yes bashing games are problematic.. But man this feels like deserved Karma for many of the SF elitists and their bulshit throughout the years. To those SF players that bash NRS \, anime and smash games dont get salty take that heat its yall turn now lol.
Kim Kardashian is the best fighting game player in the world! She's the most popular!
Smash isn't a fighting game though.
@@malacara1335 what's your definition of fighting game?
@@Dragoon7895 Street Fighter
Snake eyes was talking about SF4. From 09... The fighting game that brought back the scene. The game that made him known. I'd say the man can be forgiven for how he felt at the time.
There is no fandom or scene without this very thing sajam's complaining about. If he wants to appear enlightened and chill about it. Fine. But we wouldnt have what we do now if we all thought that way.
Let's also ignore that anime games like GG and Gran Blue are trying to slow down. Bringing up comparisons to SF.
why did the pornhub community intro start playing at the end
Lmfaooo I didn’t even hear it the first time, I had to go back and listen 😭
That aint the PH theme, yall are dirty minded lol
TheresAFungusAmongUs well you know it too, so who has the real dirty mind 👀
@@anthonyaquino123 im only a man, and i was only thinking of it because yall mentioned it 😆
Time to reset the counter on "Days since Sajam brought up the Snake Eyez interview".
This is literally how I play fighters, I enjoy ALL the games I have on my PlayStation. If I ever get frustrated there’s literally no reason to bring that shit to social media
No
One
Cares
I beg to disagree here. My take is that if people won't bring up issues of the games they would never be fixed.
2Pac cares
Dmitrii Samsonov i agree with addressing problems a game has, that’s needed.
there’s a difference when you’re addressing problems with a game while trashing other games/players of those said games
Ppl use social media to express how they feel, if u don't like what they post just unfollow, has zero to due with his statement here.
Sajam lost me at "Have you ever been in a relationship?"
I can tell you for sure that Street Fighter players think they are god's gift to gaming and think they are the arbiters of what's a "real" fighting game. As someone coming over from Melee, I picked up Street Fighter because it was one of the easiest fighting games to learn. Some of the other games I was interested in were too intimidating in terms of execution and complexity. I figured I'd pick an easier one and work my way up as I got better at using fight sticks and doing those kinds of inputs and whatnot.
stop gentrifying anime games, sajam
no, dont look up what gentrification means just stop doing it!
I swear if people just tried more fighting games that they havent played before THEY WILL FIND NEW LOVE FOR THEM. Also it can increase ur skill
I would really prefer good net code. But if i can get big boobs, flashy moves, or wacky characters, then imma have a good time regardless.
Wacky characters and flashy moves get me Every. Time.
I’m simple. I see a fun character, I’ll play it.
Big boobs yes
Lol “bathroom grand finals”. Prop your fight stick up on the urinal.
Skullgirls is so alive I've been sitting there waiting for 20 mins with no matches. Discord games isn't exactly ideal.
I mean it is a bummer when your event is canceled because they couldn't get 8 players or whatever. That's the challenge with being a DOA6 player.
"The top players of Sengoku Basara X r so much better than other fighting game players..."
"HOLY ORDER SOL WINNING CAPCOM CUP" I cant breathe
Play whatever you want. Except you, Arcana Heart people. We're watching you, and by "we" I mean the whole world, including the FBI.
I have always been a Street Fighter Player. My friends got me to try Blazblue X tag. I love it. And the netcode is really good. Still play SF V on occasion. But sometimes a good game is just sitting there and you just don't know it until you try.
“Most popular game at events” already says enough about how toxic SF players are and view themselves.
Asking Twitch chat if they've been in a relationship 😂
This netcode-patch broke people. I actually jumped on and tried some Seth and Gill and I haven't played the game in over a year... and holy shit. Why isn't all characters like them? Online was a smidge better for me than it used to be.
Everyone arguing their points on all these hypothetical situations 🙄
Just play whatever game you want to
In my case I’ll just suck at everything but I enjoy a beer while I’m playing it
God that tweet about anime fighters was brain melting. Forget even trying rollback netcode, I'm still waiting for my second copy of undernight since there's never gonna be crossplay
I didn't mind Gus' rant here. I get where he's coming from. He's just tired, like much of the rest us, of people that don't play the game that blindly hate it for no reason. I mean, we all see it. He stooped to their level, and that's not great, I think he just wants the bullshit to stop. I ain't gonna blame him for speaking off the cuff. It was a gut reaction, we all have them. He's a great member of the community regardless.
This right here. So many people go out of their way to shit on SFV that the negativity is exhausting. Like you can't even talk about the game sometimes because people have to shit up the conversation with their 4 year old opinions. Like bro we don't care. Go play something else if you hate the game that much and leave us be. and in B4 "who cares what other people think, just play your game." Waaaay too many of y'all got tight about Strider saying something about your game or community for that to be how you really feel. It's also wrong.
It hurts our game when it's constantly surrounded by negativity. I hear from people all the time talking about how they enjoy the game and wish they had tried SFV sooner but were put off by the bad rep people are desperate to keep alive. People want this game to die so bad and it's just wack. There's a lot of people that love SFV for what it is, even if it doesn't appeal to you and we just want people to play with, and to not be called shills or clout chasing or whatever else just cause you don't like the game.
I agree with the smash ultimate comment 7:54
it wouldn't be a sajam video if he didn't reference the snake eyez cross counter video.
imagine needing to be told popularity =/= good
FGC is full of grade schoolers
U Def missing his point
I'm very late to this, but I think it's hilarious that the dude in the tweets clearly doesn't think Street Fighter is an anime game. Street Fighter is literally filled to the brim with anime tropes.
That isn't the definition of anime game
It ain't moe with a side of nonsensical Jojo homoeroticism is what was probably going through his head. Because ninja scroll is an anime but it's not an "anime". There's no teenage girl scrambling out the door to school with a piece of toast in her mouth in ninja scroll, there's no 6 year old girl with fox ears who is actually 1000 years old in Ninja Scroll (I'm not sure about that one actually it's been a minute).
I think soku falls into “weird anime game, but good netcode”. There’s a discord server with a decent amount of active players, and I can comfortably play most of them. It was a side event at Frosty Faustings with 26 players in the bracket, but the small bracket doesn’t mean I enjoyed it any less. I just like the game.
I just find it funny that street fighter mega fanboys make fun if "abîmé games" when street fighter itself since SF2 is anime as fuck, it is literally satire and exaggeration from character design, levels, quotes, story, etc. Kinda ironic
A few years ago? Snake Eyes said that several eons ago. He was talking about sfiv. I was in highschool when he said that. I graduated college 5 years ago...
The vision of a large prize pool and fame can change a person's view of good games in the strangest ways...
A lot of Street Fighter players be Dan IRL.
*priest voice*
Since SFVs 2nd Season, we could welcome many new people in the glorious church of anime fighter!
A lot of these lambs never heard of a Gatling Combo in their life before and they started everything with crouching Lights and wonderd why they didn't deal any damage.
Our new children have since then learned to love the interaction of Neutral and the added space of heaven for their playground.
I invite all the curious and the interested in joining our community, we have advice and DPs for everyone!
*priest voice ends*
Seriously SFV made me hate SF.
The player were so full of themself it was ridicoulis, it was worse during SFIV days, where there were SFIV player harrasing other FG forums on Steam, to tell them they play the inferior no skill game and they should all play SFIV instead.
Who would want to be part of such a circus?
Anyway after SFV was the trainwreck of disappointments that it was, at least for me, I started to look into other FGs.
Turns out I do love Anime Fighter, especially Blazblue. Granblue is also awesome, combining the SF gameplay I liked with anime elements and adding GGs beautiful graphics on top of it..... sadly no PC port this far, I had to borrow a friends PS4 to play it.
Melty Blood is also awesome, the game lets me play a Unga Bunga Shoto who hits like a truck has strong space control and strong pressure on top of big buttons.
All in all, play what you like and if you're unhappy with your game, don't keep playing it just because it's "popular" check other FGs out, they all have active communitys and Discord is a great way to find people and matches.
Does Snake Eyez even play anymore?
He streams the game a lot
Honestly, people are super hung up on population. If you have 20 active players globally and good netcode, you are set. If you have that and couple of randos dropping in once in a while, you can get a game almost whenever you want.
I'm gonna mount a TV and PlayStation on the wall of my bathroom right across from the toilet so I can play while I take shits🤷😂
where'd you get that shirt? looks dope
I'm pretty sure most sfiv players can't even play kof13. That game is hard okay , don't give me no bs .
I don't get how people can afford to go to all these tournaments... I am from UK and if I flew to America / Europe everytime there was a tourney I would be skint
Sajam speaks the truth. But from a consumer standpoint, people can be legitimately concerned about having a sufficiently large player base if all they wanna do is play online matches. Not everyone is ready to take the Discord route and put the efforts required to join a community of players that's so limited it takes you hours of planning to get a few sets online.
most players that play street fighter do so because of clout and money. They will have a really hard time transitioning to another major game like mk or tekken, plus they don't make as much money. It makes sense that a lot of strong players from other games play sf. To say that those players are better than people that play x game is ridiculous. for example tokido played a crap ton of kof for many years. He put all his time into sf presumably because that's where he could grow his career and he already liked and was comfortable with that game therefore it was an obvious choice. However, I would also argue that if a game like kof had the same success in the states as it did in china, korea, latin america, and japan. He would probably be playing KOF right now instead, as would many other japanese players in respect to the game they used to play that didn't receive enough money to make a career out of it. Snake eyes would be like, yo players that play kof are this much more etc etc.
Arguably Snake eyes' argument is more about which game allows you to create a career out of it not which games are either inherently more difficult or which games produce stronger players.
This debate happened just before COVID mania.
Well, it IS an issue when the FG you want to play is unpopular enough that you have a hard time finding people to play with on a regular basis. You have to start adjusting your daily schedule to the hours in which at least some people play (or reach out to players on discord, which is a hassle and they won't even always be available), and chances are the skill gap between a new player and anybody who still plays is so huge the newbie can't even learn much from his defeats. There's also most likely a lack of helpful content to watch and etc.
I think that reason is perfectly fine. This is also why the whole 'join the discord' advice is mostly meaningless. I love KOF 13 and SF Alpha 2 for example and those discords are a ghost town when I want to/able to play or people don't respond and are just talking about other things. Most of the fighters I love the most are small and getting games in is soo rare that the only way it seems I can 'scratch the fighting game itch' is to hop on SFV which I'm not the most fond of. Which is ultimately why I play other genres of games more than fighting games now (lack of good netcode in games aside).
Aye. Many a fighting game I stopped playing and even more I don't bother getting because I am tired of all of that.
Smash Ultimate is the most popular party game at evo so it clearly has the highest level of skillful partying among any game's fanbase
I’m a Smash player but I lol’d at this 😂
Me playing Smash with a full second of input delay. Still having a great time
Sajam is Bernie Sanders - 5:30
TL;DR play what you want, play what you like. Don't let some dude tell you what to play.
The GGrev2 netcode still feeds on my darkest rage.
Grand finals in the bathroom 😂😂😂
That thumbnail is brilliant 🤣
Pretty big assumption that these guys have ever been in a relationship
excuse you im still with my high school waifu
I wonder if Snake Eyes feels the same way about this years later. Probably not. That being said, you still run into people that think this way.
Which vid does sajam talk about how frusturating it is to fight kazunoko?
Snake Eyes clowned hard on that one.
Sajam got real with the relationship talk there lol
Bathroom Gamer is appropriate. To be skilled to play while toileting would be sweet.
Yo my dude. While I agree that if you're not in the top 1% of players, its dumb to even talk about, but theres a lot to be said about a meta gameplay becoming more optimal faster the more people play it. If you had two rooms, one with 10 people playing a game and one with 1000 people playing the same game, the room with 1000 people would improve faster. There are lots of studies on this with games like go and chess.
Sajam the GOAT for preaching the truth
All I need is 1 opponent who really pushes me to enjoy just running sets for like 3 hours. I can fight 500 people in street fighter who ,even IF we can prove to be good challenges for each other, can't enjoy the fight through the lag. I don't play games where the developers seem malicious or incompetent to the players, bad netcode is incompetence that I will just NOT be compliant with.
I definitely don't think that top players in bigger scenes (SF, Tekken, Ultimate) are "better" than top players in smaller scenes. Just look at Go1, probably the best Melty Blood player ever, and now undeniably ZA STORONGESTO. However, I don't think it's crazy to suggest that more competitors/competition make it harder to perform consistently at the top level. In other words, rather than the skill of top players being on a different level in larger games, I think that the overall level of competition gets higher the more people there are trying to fight their way to the top.
Even more proof that the strongest men get tempered in bathrooms!
GO1 was also a top sfv player before dbfz came out
Man...the moment I saw that tweet, the first word that appeared in my mind was "toxic". Play what you want...Dota and League bashing all over again.
The thing is pepole like it or not street fighter is the flagship series in the genere so it need to be at garou level of netcode.
When we agree to accept sf5 netcode it like we say "sf is a game i only watch evo at and im fine if i cant' play it like it "
I remember daigo once said it make him sad that many pepole that watch evo dont try to play the game.. he right but in the west you can't give sf your all cause the netcode suck and pepole defend it.
love that shirt. pocket guile statement
The burkiki one players are the top players.
Super street fighter 2 Red Bull edition lmaooo
They have big tourney's at combo breaker....
Isn't that the purpose of combo breaker? Showcasing bathroom fighters?
Salt can't be fixed.
None of the people who complain about what fighting game you play actually play any fighting games at all lol
I've always been a big supporter of people playing what they enjoy. if you enjoy SFV, play SFV! but don't shit talk me try to get people interested in Poverty games on Fightcade. thankfully, the local scene I was doing this at was super supportive, and I did get people playing stuff like TSS and Cyberbots and had a great time playing.