Scandal of unsafe schools where Jewish boys can barely read or write English | Times Investigation
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- Thousands of British boys can barely read or write English aged 16, with some of them routinely beaten in unsafe schools, because the government allows a strict religious group to deny them an adequate education, The Times has found.
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Nothing against religion but this seems cult like to me good way to ensure no one leaves the group because they won’t have the skills to make it without the community
If this was a muslim religious school (madrassah) this would have a whole prime time channel 4 documentary of it rather than a youtube feature.
Guest religions should nt be setting up 'religious schools' here, whatsoever. !!
It's like a Charles Dickens novel in 2023 😮
Now imagine if this was a muslim boys school.....
no
I don't get it. If they aren't registered as schools then these children's parents all need to be fined and if necessary prosecuted for not sending their children to school.
They have a right to educate at home. I honestly wouldn't alienate a while community of people any more I'd work alongside them. It's the only way to help them. You have to understand their way of life and meet them in the middle. They learn Hebrew not French etc
@@kawaiianimedrawing4703 But they're not being educated at home are they? They're being abused.
@@DavidHeffron78 They aren't being abused. They are educated in the Torah.
@@JamieZero7to the exclusion of nearly all other subjects. That's abuse.
@@DavidHeffron78 why would they need other subjects? there entire life is the torah it has everything they will ever need in life. They are devoted to the faith, to god. They live simple lives without modern day tech. To change how they live would be a abuse it would be go against their religion. And damn their soul from their point of view. The soul is all that matters.
If this is the education the boys are getting, I hate to think what happens to the girls.
Paradoxly, the girls are getting much better education, since they focur on regular subjects, not religious
Way better education generally it's more important to keep the boys secluded
The girls get a better education. They are not seen as having the obligation to learn the religious texts
Girl's education is better (some GCSEs), don't get option to go to uni but do have numeracy and literacy.
As others have said, girls normally do get better education and have a less strictly religious program (not saying it’s not still very intense - just not to the same extent as the boys) because women are viewed closer to God in this faith and are already closer than the men will ever be which is why their teaching is more rigorous. girls are still mistreated though unfortunately just in a different way :(
Hi from Israel, we have the same problem here in Israel, but on steroids...
Fools who only study tales. This is not education but rather a leisure activity.
hello please elaborate
מי ביקש ממך לתת חוות דעת חנפן אחד . גויים באירופה שונאים ישראלים לא פחות מחרדים ...אל תהיה מדומיין
Shut this down!
They don’t give secondary education to the kids . There is plenty people who left their community .. 😢
Another religious cult that has built a community here & genuinely believes they don't need to follow the laws of this land.
Why isn't this a bigger issue? From what i know, children between 5-16 in the UK are legally required to be enrolled in school OR parents have to be able to prove they are providing suitable home-based schooling for their children.... Why is the government not making a bigger deal out of this? Respecting religious freedom is one thing, but following the law is another. If these children never get a proper education, how will they eventually be able to integrate into society? This is not just a community issue, but a societal issue because these children will eventually grow up to be incapable of finding and performing work and most likely dependant on the state.
because they are jews !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the most powerful community in the world !!!!!!!!!!! everybody listen to the jews !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jews want one law for themselves and others for the rest.
Shame on you for being the mouthpiece for the matrix…you want radical gender ideology shoved down the throats of truly religious people.
I expect it's because the children live in a very orthodox Jewish community who provide their own shops, employment and even an ambulance service, so the community educate the children according to what they will need to live within that community as adults. It's a sensitive issue because the Stamford Hill Jews don't tend to integrate with people outside their community nor have many outside visitors. Sort of like how the Amish are in the USA.
If this was a news report about a Muslim community, every anti-Islam pundit would be shitting bricks.
What an appalling disgrace.
slightly better than a classic British Lunatic asylum
Are the parents aware that their children are in these conditions?
not all families can afford to educate at home
The specific question which was not addressed was the length of the school day in each case. Apart from the issues of the condition of the buildings, purely religious schools are acceptable as 'after-school' provision - they finish their school day much later than normal state schools; while it could be that these are full-time schools, it isn't clearly stated that they are.
It's a full day. These are not the after-hours sort of thing.
Part of the loophole is that they aren't technically schools.
Who's more of a Nazi Hitler or C Dineage, its a legitimate and serious question?
Im an observant Jew who attended state school and thank the almighty for my education, how can it be right in 2023 bce that some young Jewish men dont know that London is their capital,what about going into buisness or being a member of the Neteuri Karta or some other passionate anti Zionist dynasty you have to have a modicum of political nous and all because the hasidic Rebbes are terrified it will impact on their lives and why keep kosher and let them eat in nesr squalor can any other Jew or Gentile see my point please Baruch Hashem Ahava Na Shalom.
@@ShaunBoden-zw5zu Thing is the two-faced side of it. The pictures from the one school are horrifying. How can one even pretend that it's kosher to have a kitchen like that? Most people respect others beliefs as long as the other person is not trying to convert or being aggressive towards other peoples beliefs and principles. I don't believe for one second that the Torah or the Talmud says that Jews should cut themself off from wider society and be insular sects. (I have not read either, but religous texts often talk about how to be a better person, or how to better a community. And cutting yourself off from everyone who don't think exactly like you is extremely unhealthy) Shabbat Shalom.
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So help them invest and learn about their religion. Understand their way of life and help them. Stop judging these people. Help them help themselves. Help the school and kids.
Why don't the authorities go close the school??
because not all families can afford to teach at home
They close that one another will open
This is why religion should remain in the home, and church - it’s a personal choice
Glad that you agree that evolution should not be taught in schools due to it being a personal choice to believe in also.
"Jewishness" isn't about religion
@@EnglishOrthodoxcomical
And nobody thought to contact the grand rebbe in new york?
I would like to know where the students stand who received education from these school as English is not necessary a must requirement for learning.
Appalling conditions are questionable but if the community wants to preserve its exposure to modernised world let them be. That’s a basic right
The "modernised world"? What are you bleating about? Being able to speak the language of the country you live in isn't some new fangled frippery. It's child abuse.
I completely agree, most within the ultra orthodox community have no interest in the outside world. Their life is their family, community and religion. That’s how they live and want it.
The issue is what about if they want to venture outside that community, how will they integrate into society? How will they get a job? Etc
Regarding the condition I think one has to question the funding (or lack of) that is available to them. People within the community want this education, so help better the institutions and get them to an acceptable condition instead of ‘closing’ them
@@tuttutteddy8889 That's awfully good of the parents to decide that their child wilfully be a simpleton.
Close all religious schools.
Shut this down
What is the big deal about speaking English? I knew a guy who went to one of these schools in Brooklyn and made a pile of money in textiles. 10x more than my university educated dad who was a VP at a Manhattan PR firm.
Because this is Britain not Israel.
@@AndrewWands I don't think they speak Hebrew either. Do you force Muslims to all know English in Britain?
We are so weak,if you can’t even be bothered to learn the mother tongue of the country which has given you safe haven the you should leave.
@@jiblet46 Not knowing a language is not an act of hostility. You should sent that message to he other group of non-Christians if you have the guts.
@@rileyfox4001 It's Britain you fool.
We don't force anything on anyone apart from the rule of law.
Besides, the English language is so extensively unmatched it doesn't have to be pushed on to any nation or religion.
For safety reasons though....all pilots and captains at sea must be fluent.
Because it's the language of intellectual, technical, biological, environmental, emotional, war and all that goes with it.
love the Israeli flag burning and the fact that Yiddish is being perserved as a living language. not the rest of it.
Why can't you just leave them alone
The problem is that the children grow up without the education necessary to leave should they wish to do so. They are stuck in a sect that isolates itself from the modern world and is deliberately creating barriers.
@@geoffmelnick1472 you fail to mention, this sect they are 'stuck' in, takes well care of one another. Each day in Stamford Hill money is given in charity, than what you and your great grandparents made in a lifetime. Divorce rates are at state-wide low levels. Most people are happy and content. Suicides are extremely rare. Business is booming. There are many many more positives, you should come and see for yourself.
@@AllJewsAreZionists That's exactly the point. They are not brought up to be able to make a living, they are brought up so that many of them have to live on charity. What about
לא לידי מתנת בשר ודם ולא לידי הלואתם כי אם לידך...
@@geoffmelnick1472 you obviously didn't read the sentence I wrote "business is booming". Also, where do you think all the charity money comes from? From the non working to the poor?
I take it that you're in Israel or someplace in a later time zone, otherwise what's with "זכור את יום השבת לקדשו"?
@@AllJewsAreZionists Business obviously isn't booming, otherwise why would some of them need to accept charity.
Also you are not right that no-one wants to leave. Many do, but it is very difficult, almost impossible. They do not have even basic maths. Many can't add a third and a quarter. And the people who do manage to leave are usually very angry about their lack of education.
Now do Wakefield.
The main thing they learn is how to count money and how to invest in viable businesses. Don’t use your hands only the head. Property is the road to wealth.
That old boy at 0.41 has a good right foot..just saying!
Touché 😆
Funny how how you never see any Hasids play for England
@@salazar2287 the vat majority of the hasidic schools dont allow it
@@salazar2287funny how you never see any Muslims either
My home town them vans they do not use the traffic code they drive terrible kids, never in seat belts
רק ישראל ואני גאה להיות חרדי ודתי
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Well so long as they are learning A language, I don’t see what the big deal is.
Agreed.
Yes Yiddish is the language they learn and Hebrew. Like the Coptic orthodox Christian community speak Coptic in the service with Egyptian Arabic. I hope we open our own schools in future in England. These people have a right to learn Yiddish and love how they want, but they are not receiving the understanding and support they need and tolerance.
But when they need to go to the doctor or vote or watch the news alienation I’m their own country isn’t good for children
@@rojava1619 They don't watch the news.If they are happy as they are I don't feel people should intrude on their way of life. Their doctors speak their language.I don't know how people vote in the UK but in America instructions are written out in all languages.
this video:
1. talks about schools and "thousands of children."
2. shows pics of "unnamed schools."
3. plays a religious celebration of a yeshiva, as if that is related.
4. ends off naming ONE school.
HAHAHA YOU LIARS
Odd how sadiq khan has no issue with it.
Opression
Welcome to London
Scuuuuuuum gaaaaaaaang
Do you bother the Medrasassas? If that is the way the parents want to educate their children what is it your business? Is its secular education you want or your Trojan Horse agenda?
And you cannot translate the ENGLISH to yiddish as someone has knobbled Google Translate to turn the english words into gobble-de-goop - bet they ignorantly think that is "smart"
So what. If they want to be 3rd world let them.
that unnamed school 2017 is a private residential property, closer related to a football stadium rather than a school. trash talking alert.
Except it's not...I live opposite it
Though this report may be the case, perhaps it should not be in place of reporting on the frighteningly rise in antisemitism which is currently rampant, in this country and world-wide.
has there been a recent rise in it? i haven't particularly noticed but do give some examples.
Yes but as a Jew they aren't lying. Some of these kids don't speak English. It's a problem
That’s whataboutism. As someone who is intimately familiar with all the schools and yeshivos mentioned in this report, I can attest that each and every word of it is true. Well done to those who have worked tirelessly to bring this into the public eye.
Hi David. As I said in my response am not suggesting this report is false, or that it shouldn't exist, simply that there is clearly an absence of reports about the frightening incidents of antisemitism
That is a completely separate issue? Why bring that up as if what you see in the investigation should be brushed under the carpet? One can think that both are abhorrent
Yawn.....same as most other boys then
Which boys?
How's the weather in Tel Aviv?
There needs to be more Orthodox Jews in the UK like this
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks
Where are the antisemitic remarks?
@@ah795u it’s a quote from the movie ‘American Psycho’.
Touché. The intro scene at the dinner table.
Not true
Good
Why,?
How dare you speak so antisemitic things! Jews are kings of the world! 😅😅😅
hi
How do they know the kids speak no English and can't do maths?
Read the article.
I've met some of them. They do pick up English but speak it with an accent. They don't generally have media in their homes either. They simply don't know basic maths or science.
They can speak broken english from the small amount of secular education in primary schools. But mainly testimony from those who left the community.
@@geoffmelnick1472 rubbish. The vast majority speak a perfect English and are taught maths.
@@AllJewsAreZionists deny deny.
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