Excellent presentation, as always. Thank you for the honing tips with regard to where on the wheel to hold the edge. I have struggled with large blades because I didn't realise you could take the water wheel off. I thought it was needed to maintain balance within the machine. That one tip is going to make my life so much easier! Happy 2023 to all the team at Tormek.
Well worth watching, thankyou. Previously whilst I did see a difference in honing,I didn’t realise the time necessary for honing nor that you expected it to be hand held. I have always used the jig when honing and that meant resetting the jig to fit the smaller honing wheel (and that takes a lot of time. Like someone else commented, it would be nice to have access to a 250mm honing wheel so I could just move over and use the same settings to hone. In your previous answer to the other questioner you said the larger wheel may get in the way when grinding. In that case just remove the honing wheel. It takes me far longer to set up the tool for honing than it would to remove the wheel in the odd occasion the honing wheel would get in the way. I for one would purchase a larger honing wheel. Thanks for the videos, I’ve been studying them carefully.😊
Hi and thank you for your kind words! Most of the time we prefer freehand honing since the leather is more forgiving and it gives you a certain feel for the craft, but guided honing using jigs will of course always be more precise (and much so for the vast majority i guess). Your comments are noted! Stay sharp! /Hugo from Tormek
Thank you! today I took the time to do a guided honing instead of free hand and spent more time honing and I saw a big difference. I was blown away when the Shun knives I was working on all came in under 200 on my Bess tester. Before I general would see numbers around 250- 300 but by using the guide and the TM-200 I took off a good 100 points and my paper cut test we clearly far better. Clearly my free handing wasn't as good as I thought and probable not long enough. Honestly it only take a few seconds to remove the sharpening stone and hone using the guide and from what I saw it can be a big improvement in your results. I think in time my free hand will be better because measuring and using the guild helps you see what the proper angles looks like.
This may be the answer to my frustration. I had not heard before that when honing to replace the wheel and to also curve the knife back when honing. I have been, according to your classes, lifting the knife up. I have a paper cutting knife when the sharpening is do but then I tried to hone and lost my sharpness. Thank you for explaining it better. I hope this will make a difference..
Hi, Thanks for your help. There a couple of things which come to mind. For those of you, who like me thought the plastic tube was packaging and discarded it. A piece of normal garden hose seems to fit my T4 quite well. I think all Tormeks use they same size shaft. Tormek go to great lengths to ensure accuracy why is honing pretty much a make it up as you go along accuracy ? This video stresses the importance of honing, yet my T4 and from the video, I guess the T8 make accurate honing an afterthought with a messy solution. Why is that ? If I use the tool guide shaft for accuracy, there are so many things which the guide hits/snags on, collides with etc. That does not seem up to the normal exceptionally high standards of Tormek. Im considering buying a honing wheel for a T8 and trying it on my T4. Im hoping the larger diameter will help avoid snagging on the black locking screws. It wont stop the guide from staging on the welding on the guide shaft. This could be easily fixed by making a small change to the tool clamp. If you slightly shorten the backdrop down angle. That would work. Or you could make it have a stepper angle that would also work. Im thinking of filing my tool grip back drop-down edge to make it clear the welds. Another common problem is the black tightening grip screw hitting things when its on the underside. I did try replacing it with a normal nut and bolt thus reducing the height. A better option would be use a flat thumb wheel along the lines of the tightening screw at the front of the tool. Hopefully, the mods Im thinking of are not needed and you point out that I am making a lot of mistakes. None of my comments should detract from my belief that Tormek are the Rolls Royce of tool sharpening. All good advice is always welcome Thanks
One more comment. Ive only had my T4 for a couple of months and have experienced the plastic nut used on the sharpening stone quickly wears out if you are changing sharpening stones. If anyone knows where I can buy a metal locking nut please let me know? Im in the UK. I can't find any local ( Oxfordshire ) suppliers of a nut. Although my T4 is very new, I have been using a Tormek since circa 2000.
Thanks for the Great video! I'm just confused when it comes to the diameter of the Leather wheel LA 220. The tormek website mentions that the diameter is 215mm and also upon measuring it, it came out to be 215mm as well. Is this a different wheel? Thanks.
That is correct. The LA-220 Leather Honing Wheel has a diameter of 215 mm. Please find more info about the LA-220 Leather Honing Wheel on our webpage: tormek.com/en/products/honing-wheels/leather-honing-wheels/la-220-leather-honing-wheel
Great video I always learn something even though I use a T8,T7 and old T3(blue) 200mm . I use jigs to go from a blackstone to the japan stone and sometimes to the leather/paste. But I sometimes vivid the edge and free hone on the Japan (using the same technik as Wolfgang showed on the leather)and draw the knife back to the edge a couple of times each side with very light pressure and good control by locking arm and rotating from waist.
That depends on the knife. I would doublecheck with the knive-manufacturer if you want to be sure. We clean them most of the time with a slightly watered cloth. 😊
Thank you for the video explaining, I have question, hi jus bay t4 and aí bay the japonês stone , with a japonês stone I still need the lather well ? Thank you
Hej Paulo, yes, you should use water when using the Japanese Waterstone for Sharpening. We recommend always to use water, even with the Diamond Wheels. Stay sharp!
I have found it nearly impossible to square the sharpening wheel after use. I have used the tormek jig that is supposed to solve this problem but it NEVER works. Not sure what i am doing wrong
Hej Please have a look at the videos on our product page of the TT-50 Truing Tool where you can see how it should be used: tormek.com/en/products/accessories/tt-50-truing-tool Stay sharp!
Can you tell by the burr the condition of the blade. If someone overheated the blade will a softer blade leave a larger burr than a blade with a good temper?
Hej Steven! This is very difficult to give you a satisfying answer. Mostly overheated blades tend to be diffcult to sharpen. It is very difficulkt to establish an edge in general, its like if you would try to get an edge on a sugar cube, the edge is very crumbly. The only way is to sharpen all the way to the "good material". Different types of steel behave also a bit differently, sometimes you can get a quite good edge on the blade but with a bad stability and it gets fast blunt again. Stay sharp! Tanja from Tormek
This video was really helpful. I asked the question during the live stream about how to best hone knife blades that are made of super steels. If I understood, you answered my question by saying to optimally use diamond wheels to grind, but that you could hone with the leather wheel using Tormek honing paste. My understanding is that with super steels, you have to use diamond paste or emulsion on a honing wheel in order to be able to really make a difference in the sharpness level. Could you please comment? Thanks -
Hi Dudley, and thank you for your kind words! Yes, you are absolutely correct that you can use the leather wheel for that. However, super steels could have a bit of a tougher burr, so the composite honing wheel might actually do a better job at deburring super steel edges. Hope this helps. Stay sharp! :D
Hi Tormek I have 2 question. 1. will you make a honing leather wheel in 250mm? So you can hone whit same diameter as when you grind😊 Question 2. Is there a plan for making a courser grit for your diamond wheel. Example 160 grit or 80 grit? I have 3 Tormek T8 an they are the best sharpening Maschine in the world👍 Thank your for your videos..
Hi Jan! Glad to hear you are so pleased with your Tormek machines! :D To your questions: 1: There is no plan for such a honing wheel, since it would impede the sharpening too much. But if you are handy I'm sure you can make one yourself ;) 2: No plans for coarser diamond wheels. If you need to remove larger amounts of steel you can have a look at our BGM-100 Bench Grinder Mounting Set: www.tormek.com/usa/en/accessories/other-accessories/bgm-100-bench-grinder-mounting-set/ Stay sharp Jan! :D
Don’t Forget that if you are using grinding stones they get smaller as you go so in time they would no be the same and the leather would be more in the way
@@TormekSharpening thank you for your quick response. I have a bigger leather wheel (bought from another) and al solutions to use another grinder bought From Tormek and ( From Vadim) R.i.P🙏 But my thoughts was if you could make this for Tormek instead of buying from other manufacturer around the world. A complete knife grinder system bought from Tormek🤓👍
Hi , would you clarify everything the left pictures depicts ? Is that just to show that the right picture of the burr are all .5 mm ? Thanks for the instruction 👏👏👏
Hi Tormek team, i was wondering if the Tormek T4 or T8 would be adapted to sharpen a sword ? And if the guided system would work on something that long and heavier than most knives ? I'm sure many people in different community related to swordmanship would be interested. I tried to look on youtube if someone has already made a video sharpening a sword using a Tormek but didn't find any. Anyway, if you run out of ideas for your sharpening tutorials, you can always show us how this system would handle a sword ! Maybe with the extended guide and doing it 1/3 at a time. I'm really interested about this. Thank you for all the tutorial a Sharpening class !
Vadim ( RIP 😔 ) , Knife Grinders of Australia ( check out his channel for a bunch of GREAT info & instruction !!! ) , had extended universal supports on many of his Tormeks . Check with them to see if they are going to still sell what they have been selling . A machine shop could fabricate 1 for you ...take your tool support to them and have them make 1 with a longer rail and a rail on the side that does not have 1 . I think the combined rail would need to be a little longer than 1/2 of your longest sword .
Oh, interesting! We might be looking in to sword sharpening (mostly as a fun test), so keep your eyes open at @tormek_sharpening, @tormek_culinary and @tormek_bushcraft on instagram... ;) Stay sharp!
Hi Rupert, and thank you! Yes, you are correct. To sharpen ceramiv knives you'd have to do it on the diamond wheels. No honing needed on ceramic though. Stay sharp! :)
Visst kan det finnas en liten risk att det kan fastna partiklar i lädret. Det är i så fall ingenting bestående eller någonting som vi själva har upplevt. Men man kan helt enkelt vara lite vaksam 😊 Stay Sharp!
The whole reason to use the tormek is the jigs and Guides, thqts what guves you the best edge+repeatability. The stropping wheel free hand is very strange. Time to make a better product!
Hi Lydia, You are absolutely correct that the precision and repeatability are some of the pro's with using a Tormek. You can definitely do controlled honing with jigs if you want to - we don't always because we are confident in our experience keeping the right angle, and the softer honing wheel being very forgiving on the steel. For best possibilities for controlled honing of knives with knife jigs; check out the MB-102 Bulti Base: tormek.com/en/products/accessories/mb-102-multi-base Stay sharp! /Hugo from Tormek
Hej Guiseppe, If you click on the settings-icon of the video you can add subtitels in the language of your browser. Google Translate: Se clicchi sull'icona delle impostazioni del video puoi aggiungere i sottotitoli nella lingua del tuo browser. Stay sharp! Tanja from Tormek
this is a huge disadvantage they do the honing freehand because their jig is not good enough ??? why would anyone buy a tormek if not for the fixed precise angel ?? buying a tormek 800$ then use it freehand defies the purpose and is a waste of money, freehand honing requires a lot of practice i rather practice on the normal stone than wasting money on tormak that needs the same if not more practice. the whole purpose of buying a tormek is precision and taking the guesswork out and now you are telling us that your knife jig is not precise enough and we have to guess !!! why pay the money then if not for precision?
We don't use the jig when honing since the leather honing wheel has enough give to be forgiving af you are a tiny bit off on the angle. If you want to get the exact angle you are more than welcome to hone with the jig on the Universal Support bar, we won't stop you! 😄
@@TormekSharpening how can i use the Universal support bar if it hits the knife jig? 32:20 maybe if you fix the design flaw in the knife jig it will be possible
Excellent presentation, as always. Thank you for the honing tips with regard to where on the wheel to hold the edge. I have struggled with large blades because I didn't realise you could take the water wheel off. I thought it was needed to maintain balance within the machine. That one tip is going to make my life so much easier! Happy 2023 to all the team at Tormek.
Well worth watching, thankyou. Previously whilst I did see a difference in honing,I didn’t realise the time necessary for honing nor that you expected it to be hand held. I have always used the jig when honing and that meant resetting the jig to fit the smaller honing wheel (and that takes a lot of time. Like someone else commented, it would be nice to have access to a 250mm honing wheel so I could just move over and use the same settings to hone. In your previous answer to the other questioner you said the larger wheel may get in the way when grinding. In that case just remove the honing wheel. It takes me far longer to set up the tool for honing than it would to remove the wheel in the odd occasion the honing wheel would get in the way.
I for one would purchase a larger honing wheel. Thanks for the videos, I’ve been studying them carefully.😊
Hi and thank you for your kind words! Most of the time we prefer freehand honing since the leather is more forgiving and it gives you a certain feel for the craft, but guided honing using jigs will of course always be more precise (and much so for the vast majority i guess). Your comments are noted!
Stay sharp!
/Hugo from Tormek
Thank you! today I took the time to do a guided honing instead of free hand and spent more time honing and I saw a big difference. I was blown away when the Shun knives I was working on all came in under 200 on my Bess tester. Before I general would see numbers around 250- 300 but by using the guide and the TM-200 I took off a good 100 points and my paper cut test we clearly far better. Clearly my free handing wasn't as good as I thought and probable not long enough. Honestly it only take a few seconds to remove the sharpening stone and hone using the guide and from what I saw it can be a big improvement in your results. I think in time my free hand will be better because measuring and using the guild helps you see what the proper angles looks like.
Glad to hear! :D keep grinding, so to speak ;D
This may be the answer to my frustration. I had not heard before that when honing to replace the wheel and to also curve the knife back when honing. I have been, according to your classes, lifting the knife up.
I have a paper cutting knife when the sharpening is do but then I tried to hone and lost my sharpness.
Thank you for explaining it better. I hope this will make a difference..
Hi,
Thanks for your help. There a couple of things which come to mind.
For those of you, who like me thought the plastic tube was packaging and discarded it.
A piece of normal garden hose seems to fit my T4 quite well. I think all Tormeks use they same size shaft.
Tormek go to great lengths to ensure accuracy why is honing pretty much a make it up as you go along accuracy ?
This video stresses the importance of honing, yet my T4 and from the video, I guess the T8 make accurate honing an afterthought with a messy solution. Why is that ?
If I use the tool guide shaft for accuracy, there are so many things which the guide hits/snags on, collides with etc. That does not seem up to the normal exceptionally high standards of Tormek.
Im considering buying a honing wheel for a T8 and trying it on my T4. Im hoping the larger diameter will help avoid snagging on the black locking screws. It wont stop the guide from staging on the welding on the guide shaft.
This could be easily fixed by making a small change to the tool clamp. If you slightly shorten the backdrop down angle. That would work. Or you could make it have a stepper angle that would also work.
Im thinking of filing my tool grip back drop-down edge to make it clear the welds.
Another common problem is the black tightening grip screw hitting things when its on the underside.
I did try replacing it with a normal nut and bolt thus reducing the height. A better option would be use a flat thumb wheel along the lines of the tightening screw at the front of the tool.
Hopefully, the mods Im thinking of are not needed and you point out that I am making a lot of mistakes.
None of my comments should detract from my belief that Tormek are the Rolls Royce of tool sharpening.
All good advice is always welcome
Thanks
What is this part for the T8? I’ve lost mine, for sure.
One more comment. Ive only had my T4 for a couple of months and have experienced the plastic nut used on the sharpening stone quickly wears out if you are changing sharpening stones.
If anyone knows where I can buy a metal locking nut please let me know? Im in the UK. I can't find any local ( Oxfordshire ) suppliers of a nut.
Although my T4 is very new, I have been using a Tormek since circa 2000.
Thanks for the Great video!
I'm just confused when it comes to the diameter of the Leather wheel LA 220. The tormek website mentions that the diameter is 215mm and also upon measuring it, it came out to be 215mm as well. Is this a different wheel? Thanks.
That is correct. The LA-220 Leather Honing Wheel has a diameter of 215 mm. Please find more info about the LA-220 Leather Honing Wheel on our webpage: tormek.com/en/products/honing-wheels/leather-honing-wheels/la-220-leather-honing-wheel
Great video I always learn something even though I use a T8,T7 and old T3(blue) 200mm .
I use jigs to go from a blackstone to the japan stone and sometimes to the leather/paste.
But I sometimes vivid the edge and free hone on the Japan (using the same technik as Wolfgang showed on the leather)and draw the knife back to the edge a couple of times each side with very light pressure and good control by locking arm and rotating from waist.
Glad to hear peter, and nice that you've found your own personal process 🤩 Do what works and give a sharp enough result! :D
Very informative video!!!
Glad it was helpful! Stay sharp! :)
What do you use to clean the knife and coat it for storage. When someone touches your blade to clean the fingerprint off and coat it.
That depends on the knife. I would doublecheck with the knive-manufacturer if you want to be sure.
We clean them most of the time with a slightly watered cloth. 😊
Thank you for the video explaining, I have question, hi jus bay t4 and aí bay the japonês stone , with a japonês stone I still need the lather well ? Thank you
Hej Paulo,
yes, you should use water when using the Japanese Waterstone for Sharpening. We recommend always to use water, even with the Diamond Wheels.
Stay sharp!
I have found it nearly impossible to square the sharpening wheel after use. I have used the tormek jig that is supposed to solve this problem but it NEVER works. Not sure what i am doing wrong
Hej
Please have a look at the videos on our product page of the TT-50 Truing Tool where you can see how it should be used: tormek.com/en/products/accessories/tt-50-truing-tool
Stay sharp!
Can you tell by the burr the condition of the blade. If someone overheated the blade will a softer blade leave a larger burr than a blade with a good temper?
Hej Steven!
This is very difficult to give you a satisfying answer. Mostly overheated blades tend to be diffcult to sharpen. It is very difficulkt to establish an edge in general, its like if you would try to get an edge on a sugar cube, the edge is very crumbly. The only way is to sharpen all the way to the "good material". Different types of steel behave also a bit differently, sometimes you can get a quite good edge on the blade but with a bad stability and it gets fast blunt again.
Stay sharp!
Tanja from Tormek
This video was really helpful. I asked the question during the live stream about how to best hone knife blades that are made of super steels. If I understood, you answered my question by saying to optimally use diamond wheels to grind, but that you could hone with the leather wheel using Tormek honing paste. My understanding is that with super steels, you have to use diamond paste or emulsion on a honing wheel in order to be able to really make a difference in the sharpness level. Could you please comment? Thanks -
Hi Dudley, and thank you for your kind words! Yes, you are absolutely correct that you can use the leather wheel for that. However, super steels could have a bit of a tougher burr, so the composite honing wheel might actually do a better job at deburring super steel edges. Hope this helps. Stay sharp! :D
Take a look at the channel "Australian Knife Grinders"
can i use my green compound instead of of paste in yellow tube? Is it same abrasion level? Thanks
Hi Tormek
I have 2 question. 1. will you make a honing leather wheel in 250mm? So you can hone whit same diameter as when you grind😊
Question 2. Is there a plan for making a courser grit for your diamond wheel. Example 160 grit or 80 grit?
I have 3 Tormek T8 an they are the best sharpening Maschine in the world👍 Thank your for your videos..
Hi Jan! Glad to hear you are so pleased with your Tormek machines! :D To your questions:
1: There is no plan for such a honing wheel, since it would impede the sharpening too much. But if you are handy I'm sure you can make one yourself ;)
2: No plans for coarser diamond wheels. If you need to remove larger amounts of steel you can have a look at our BGM-100 Bench Grinder Mounting Set: www.tormek.com/usa/en/accessories/other-accessories/bgm-100-bench-grinder-mounting-set/
Stay sharp Jan! :D
Don’t Forget that if you are using grinding stones they get smaller as you go so in time they would no be the same and the leather would be more in the way
@@ALXSHARPEN i use diamond wheel so that no problem..
@@TormekSharpening thank you for your quick response. I have a bigger leather wheel (bought from another) and al solutions to use another grinder bought From Tormek and ( From Vadim) R.i.P🙏
But my thoughts was if you could make this for Tormek instead of buying from other manufacturer around the world. A complete knife grinder system bought from Tormek🤓👍
Hi , would you clarify everything the left pictures depicts ? Is that just to show that the right picture of the burr are all .5 mm ? Thanks for the instruction 👏👏👏
The left picture shows just a ruler.
@@Multifuchs Thank you , I wanted to make sure 👍
Hi Rodger! just as @Lykantopia says, the object to the left is a ruler with .5 mm marks to give some context. Stay sharp!
Hi Tormek team, i was wondering if the Tormek T4 or T8 would be adapted to sharpen a sword ? And if the guided system would work on something that long and heavier than most knives ? I'm sure many people in different community related to swordmanship would be interested. I tried to look on youtube if someone has already made a video sharpening a sword using a Tormek but didn't find any. Anyway, if you run out of ideas for your sharpening tutorials, you can always show us how this system would handle a sword !
Maybe with the extended guide and doing it 1/3 at a time. I'm really interested about this.
Thank you for all the tutorial a Sharpening class !
Vadim ( RIP 😔 ) , Knife Grinders of Australia ( check out his channel for a bunch of GREAT info & instruction !!! ) , had extended universal supports on many of his Tormeks . Check with them to see if they are going to still sell what they have been selling . A machine shop could fabricate 1 for you ...take your tool support to them and have them make 1 with a longer rail and a rail on the side that does not have 1 . I think the combined rail would need to be a little longer than 1/2 of your longest sword .
@@RodgerMyers thank you very much I will check this out.
Oh, interesting! We might be looking in to sword sharpening (mostly as a fun test), so keep your eyes open at @tormek_sharpening, @tormek_culinary and @tormek_bushcraft on instagram... ;) Stay sharp!
@@TormekSharpening thank you very much for your reply. I'm gonna follow you on insta aswell !
Great video, you mentioned ceramic knives. Would these be sharpened using the diamond wheel. Many thanks
Hi Rupert, and thank you! Yes, you are correct. To sharpen ceramiv knives you'd have to do it on the diamond wheels. No honing needed on ceramic though. Stay sharp! :)
@@TormekSharpening Great thank you
I thought the leather wheel was 215 in diameter .
I have to measure mine😊
Det borde väl inte vara särskilt bra att sandpappra skarven på läderskivan? Det lossnar ju ofta lite "sand" från pappret som då sätter sig i lädret?
Visst kan det finnas en liten risk att det kan fastna partiklar i lädret. Det är i så fall ingenting bestående eller någonting som vi själva har upplevt. Men man kan helt enkelt vara lite vaksam 😊 Stay Sharp!
Thank you very much for sharing.
You are welcome. 😊
Steven Larsen from Clinton Utah Trying to stay warm.
😂😂
The whole reason to use the tormek is the jigs and Guides, thqts what guves you the best edge+repeatability. The stropping wheel free hand is very strange. Time to make a better product!
Hi Lydia,
You are absolutely correct that the precision and repeatability are some of the pro's with using a Tormek. You can definitely do controlled honing with jigs if you want to - we don't always because we are confident in our experience keeping the right angle, and the softer honing wheel being very forgiving on the steel. For best possibilities for controlled honing of knives with knife jigs; check out the MB-102 Bulti Base: tormek.com/en/products/accessories/mb-102-multi-base
Stay sharp!
/Hugo from Tormek
:) can hear fine where it was
I can t hear Wolfgang
There were some tecnical issues in the beginning of the video. Those were solved a bit later on. :)
I hear you okay.
This question was for live-visitors 😉
Senza traduzione italiana non si capisce niente
Hej Guiseppe,
If you click on the settings-icon of the video you can add subtitels in the language of your browser.
Google Translate:
Se clicchi sull'icona delle impostazioni del video puoi aggiungere i sottotitoli nella lingua del tuo browser.
Stay sharp!
Tanja from Tormek
this is a huge disadvantage they do the honing freehand because their jig is not good enough ??? why would anyone buy a tormek if not for the fixed precise angel ?? buying a tormek 800$ then use it freehand defies the purpose and is a waste of money, freehand honing requires a lot of practice i rather practice on the normal stone than wasting money on tormak that needs the same if not more practice. the whole purpose of buying a tormek is precision and taking the guesswork out and now you are telling us that your knife jig is not precise enough and we have to guess !!! why pay the money then if not for precision?
We don't use the jig when honing since the leather honing wheel has enough give to be forgiving af you are a tiny bit off on the angle. If you want to get the exact angle you are more than welcome to hone with the jig on the Universal Support bar, we won't stop you! 😄
@@TormekSharpening
how can i use the Universal support bar if it hits the knife jig? 32:20
maybe if you fix the design flaw in the knife jig it will be possible