Destiny Snaps Unbeatable Far-Right Debater's Winning Streak
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มี.ค. 2021
- DEBATE: Lured by a tweet, Destiny debates a far-right opponent that has been crushing every liberal and leftist that has stepped in the ring with him thus far...
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"It's not racist bla bla bla"
"Ok so what is it?"
"It's cultural"
"Ok so why they have that culture?"
"Mhhhh genetics"
Every.
Fucking.
Time.
I got two words for you, shmuck:
1) Big
2) Pimpin'
Q.E.D.
"It's not racist but it is"
"well, I dont know, nick fuentes says its genetics, he's a really swell guy but im not quite sure really" - this guy
*Sneaky Racist enters the chat
Blacks love music and are good at dancing. That's genetic.
until there is literally not a single cashier left in the country this dude isn't going to believe you. That's Good Faith, and Big Brain.
@Jasonmanguy if you're being intellectually honest then you'd admit that the "highschool labor force" won't be filling the machine maintenance work anytime soon, the modularity is not nearly at the level it needs to be and you would have to educate your labor pool on how the repairs work
im tired rn so if this was sarcasm, my b
And then when you point out that there's hardly any cashiers left because over the last 5 years they've been replaced, he'll insists it's always been that way and who cares about jobs in the past.
You wanna destabilise a country for one of the most easily automizable jobs there is?
And if you wanna import people just because you are scared that shitty jobs aren't being filled with warm bodies you are the last type of person to talk about good faith lol
Wait til this guy hears you can buy cars online with out a salesman!
@@FifinatorKlon so these people who don’t work shitty jobs anymore, what jobs are they gonna work?
This guy is the definition of “whatever statement you just made I must disagree with, even if I end up contradicting my argument in the process.”
oh, like Vaush
@@kongvinter33 you’re not wrong at all. He thinks by being the inverse that makes him somehow automatically better. Spouting contradictory bullshit leftist views to counter theirs are totally helpful to the cause, Vaush.
that is Destiny to a T tbf
no he isn't
@@nooftaheri3502 huge L take, destiny doesn’t do that
"I want the government to massively subsidize a native birth program"
"The government shouldn't set a minimum wage, the market can handle it"
This guy's politics are incoherent
Those positions are not mutually exclusive.
I disagree with the points, but are they really contradictory?
that's conservatives in a nutshell "the government cant do anything right and everything should be solved by private enterprise except for my personal policy beliefs that the government should absolutely act on"
@@bsaintnyc
Tldr; don't make blanket statements like that, it could make you look dumb.
That's a weird generalization. I grew up in an oddly concentrated space of conservatives and the majority were content with the liberal government's decisions. Obviously not the ideal for them, but not undoing is better than undoing a previous government's changes.
Your statement sounds like you looked up the basic doctrine of a conservative (which is less government over all) and then applied that to your critical understanding of how they function. I'm not trying to insult either, I've just got a strange interpretation perhaps of what you said. That's no different than a conservative saying that liberals like to be under the thumb of government, so much so that they're blind to the decisions being made. Obviously liberals pay attention. Obviously they don't want to be smothered. But seeing the basic doctrine of more government could draw the same conclusions.
everyone but me must learn ur cringe, your politics are incoherant as is everyone who supports your comment.
TLDR :
-Right wing guy makes a bad arguement
-Destiny shows him why he's wrong
-He says destiny is wrong
-Destiny asks why
-Pivots to something else
Rince and repeat for 40 min so far
Over and over and over
He's backtracking like a petrol thief with a hole in his bucket 😂
The conformation bias is strong with this one
destiny: i want to know your exact stance in this hyper specific theoretical scenario that will never happen in reality and know your precise stance on it.
other guy: sure here is my stance.
other guy: I want to know your generalized stance on a generalized scenario that is highly probable if not already happening in reality.
destiny: stop pivoting/the world is complicated that is hard to answer
@@mayainverse9429 spot on
It's getting harder and harder to get content creators to debate 1 on 1 these days so this kinda feels like a throwback so enjoy, like, and leave a comment!
EDITOR'S NOTE: around 13:11 I used that segment for the intro but about 4 seconds was overwritten resulting in a weird mid-sentence cut. It's here in case you want to hear the rest of the sentence th-cam.com/video/VhGDxUYkf4Y/w-d-xo.html
Maybe try to become Mike from PA's psychiatrist. Help him with his bad bunny PSTD
some of the funniest and best debates was from you debating people like this.
Cóol
Could you shorten the intro's a bit?
@@havoc_theory GO LOOK UP SEWER PSYCHOLOGY
6:16 "they vote in the super majority for just one specific party, the same party that happens to tailor legislation specifically for them"
Ah, the age-old conspiracy of voting for a party that caters to your interests
Sure buddy, that's how it works.
@@nocucksinkekistan7321 It does... what kind of brain rot? If a party has policies which cater to a specific demographic, that demographic is going to vote for your party. Do you think that older rich people vote Republican for no reason lmao?
@@nocucksinkekistan7321 well, yeah. That's exactly how it works.
@@nocucksinkekistan7321 How else would it work? Funnily enough, Hispanics tend to be socially conservative, if republicans weren't so xenophobic or racist they'd have a goldmine of voters to tap into.
"They won't vote for the party that berates them and calls them criminals for being here. What's with that?"
This is one of the most painful debates I’ve ever heard. What is it about the right that allows them to be SO confident while simultaneously having an exceptionally low level of information? This guy just has no idea what he’s saying from sentence to sentence.
Look up dunning kruger
It takes a group of other idiots to agree with and validate misinformation to make him feel that he can't be wrong. Yeah.... it's f**king crazy 😂
its the exceptionally low level of information part.
Confidence is a generally trait of low intelligence because they dont know what they dont know. So, they consider what they do know, a good portion of what there is to know. Definitely a clearer point in my head than on paper.
Destiny is so weak that weakness is not enough to explain his beta male, effeminate syndrom.
* against a welfare state *
* wants to give rich people even more money to have babies *
Rich people: adopt 1 baby every 18 years and never pay taxes.
Also believes that well educated people should be given money so they have less kids... 1 min after saying people with more wealth have less kids
@Constitutionalist Monarchist there was literally a small group of Jewish nazi's during WW2 that held signs that said down with us and shit. Someone can be Jewish and antisemitic, Jewish and a nazi, Jewish and a fascist. 🤷🏻♀️
@@Jay-zt1pq Plus, while I would agree that you need to be antisemitic to be a Nazi, you don't really need the same to be a fascist. Fascism doesn't specifically single out the jews.
@@henriquepacheco7473 yeah I agree, I'm not sure if I accidentally implied that with my comment, but if I did it was unintentional.
This dude completely forgot about Republicans’ 50 years policy of adopting de-facto open borders policy for Cubans under the guise of “political refugee” who also happen to vote extremely Republican.
YUUP, when he listed that hypothetical I thought the same exact thing, conveniently forgot about Cubans.
Gusano moment
Political refugees are not the same as economic refugees.
@@Potatotenkopf dude chill out .
@@teskejon what is your point ?
This guy lost me completely when he thought Destiny was lying about McDonald’s not having cashiers 😂😂
"Automation doesn't reduce jobs" 😭😂
A year since this has posted and I hope by then he has walked in either a wal mart or McDonald’s cause it’s a unavoidable
I live in Romania and already all McDonalds, KFCs and Burger Kings have implemented these ordering screens. This guy is an idiot…
He just cant give destiny an inch on anything because he knows he is losing hard
Right? I wa s like…do you not go to McDonald’s?
"We need to protect American culture." "Okay, what is American culture?"
"That's a loaded question."
The "master race" aren't sending their best...
They never do.
The Panda art in your pfp looks really cool! Where's it from?
@@JayPlaysModern *audible sweating*
The only reddit I actually enjoy is the Behold the master race
They actually are, that's the sad part. Their best are this pathetic.
I'm still waiting for Joe Biden to import me so I can vote Democrat
The dream
I can’t wait to be imported to import me so me and my family of 16 people can vote Democrat 3 times each.
@@cringusbingus6147 don’t talk about desantis letting cubans in to vote red
@@cringusbingus6147 based
Antifa supersoldier _goooooo_
Holy shit, I’m so impressed with how Andrew managed to entirely goalpost shift his automation arguments over the course of the debate. It went from:
“Where have you even seen automation in a mcdonald’s? name ONE place you’ve been?”
to
“Oh so just because you saw one one time doesn’t mean it’s happening nationwide. Show me where it’s happening on a LARGE SCALE?”
to
“Show me entire COUNTRIES where automation is happening NATIONWIDE because unemployment dropped BELOW 3% and SQUEEZED OUT an entire MARKET.”
Amazing.
Every McDonald's in my entire city has automated ordering I'm pretty sure. When he said that I couldn't believe him lol. To be fair I didn't realize this is a two year old debate so maybe there actually was no automated ordering where he lived
@@cornbeef4298 ik this is hella old but in Oklahoma that shit is probably never happening and he sounds a bit southern so he may never see it
@@ggzyt_livitup3898 I'm in Oklahoma, and I can say almost every McDonald's has kiosks to order. They still have registers in case they go down, but there aren't dedicated workers at the till. It's always a shift lead or supervisor who steps up to work it.
It's wild that even in just 2 years time, Andrew's stance is completely bunk. Like he isn't even right just a little bit
@@tambourinesmusicmachine i also never go inside of McDonalds but i have seen them since i said this, definitely a shit take by andrew
Debate 101. Don't watch debates if you can't handle powerful rebuttals.
Destiny: *Points out a trend.*
Guy: *Tries to point out an exception to the trend.*
Destiny: Okay... That doesn't change the trend.
Guy: Give me the evidence
Destiny: *Gives credible evidence*
Guy: But the exception, though.
This is the same argument against trans ideology. I agree. 👍
@@pinip_f_werty1382 real good argument there bud
@@jackson.6282 unfortunately he’s often right. There are way too many bad faith pro-trans arguments that are if anything more harmful to the cause. I’ve heard people say “trans women are women” which sounds like a fun virtue signal but legitimately does nothing to help trans people and can often be used in bad faith against biological females. His example I believe is mostly in reference to sports where they often say trans women should compete with regular women because they know a there are a few women out there that could beat the average man. It’s like if you are competing against a male athlete who has a training every day those comparisons won’t add up at all. There’s a reason you get rejected from sports for injecting yourself with synthetic testosterone.
I'm 95% sure Brittany is shopping online...
@Politically Provoked Stop using "hypothetically" as some sort of repudiation of the efficacy of a thought experiment. The point of a thought experiment or hypothetical is to repurpose the logic into real world applications. Destiny is doing something that is in between a hypothetical and the presentation of a valid argument structure. You should be critical of his premises rather than spending most of your time thinking a hypothetical doesn't demonstrate a sound argument. Hypotheticals absolutely apply to this scenario, but it might be the case that one of his points is incorrect. I'll leave it to you to figure out which one, if any.
Brittany won this debate
@Politically Provoked Good to know! Thanks for letting me know. I really enjoyed the format and hope you consider doing more. Cheers :)
@Politically Provoked "he debates om behalf of us"
"he is not affiliated with us"
It's one or the other, it can't be both 😂
@@wile123456 clearly someone doesn't know what affiliated means
This guy does not have a supermajority of intelligence
I literally laugh out loud on this one.
@Dick weed In degrees Celsius.
This must have been the most painful debate i have watched... ever. Destiny got frustrated, but honestly I admire how he stayed this calm. The other guy is sincerely unable to understand.
imagine being right wing and getting obliterated by a liberal on economics. He was trying to argue basic facts throughout the entire debate. I wanted to hear more of Destiny's actual position on economic issues, but we couldnt get passed that automation eliminates the need for workers. I guess this guy hasn't ever heard of Detroit.
Oh and the weird part where Andrew thinks that someone could successfully secede and wage war on the US within our own borders.
@@fnbcarpenter6343 i think he was actually implying that whatever part wanted to succeed and the US could go their own seperate ways without fighting lol.
This dude put his conclusion ahead of everything else and has to justify everything said to that conclusion. He sounds so sloppy working backwards like that
inductive reasoning at its worse
I mean if you are on a "winning streak in debating" than that's what you are doing almost 100% of the time anyway. It is much harder to "lose" a debate if you only have one "compromise" or one thing you can have your mind be changed on.
worst part of it all is the beginning when he shows the tweet where it states hes been beating other debaters lul
@@markfelt5650 it’s more like begging the question, no?
that's called rationalizing, and it probably makes up for a great deal of our thinking (due to how the brain processes information making snap judgements without our awareness)
"as technology gets more advanced the easier it is to fix by someone with a highschool education"
As a recently graduated engineer, that has got to be the most braindead take I have ever heard
Omg I missed that but yeah!
Hey bro, advanced robotics, electrical engineering, and computer science is just gonna be part of a highschool education in the next 10 years donchaknow?
@@gingerlicious3500 if this is true, is it safe to assume suicide rate among teenagers are gonna increase?
@@Zack-fu4lo I was being sarcastic haha
@@gingerlicious3500 and kids are going to finally get that common sense class, and teach them how tp build confidence, and how to raise their children, and an elective in how not project your emotional issue onto your relationships…
this guy is going to have PTSD when he orders from a kiosk
Rich people:
“Honey, shall we have a child?”
“Depends… what tax bracket are we in?”
knowing plenty of rich people, they actually do think like this lol
He literally did the spongebob meme
"it's an economic barrier to having kids"
"OK, but poor people have more kids than rich people"
"Yes, that is true"
"And rich people have fewer kids"
"Yes that is true"
"So it's not economic factors keeping them from having kids"
"No, it is an economic barrier"
Like...5x...Destiny has found an exceptional dummy.
Edit: Oh man it got asked again in the Q and A and he ducked it again
Of all the examples, I think this one was pretty dumb on Destiny's part. Clearly the guy here is talking about opportunity cost, although he might not know the word for it. I would've liked it if Destiny addressed that.
@@andrewashworth8327 no, there's nothing wrong with destiny's argument at all. The birth rate drops in wealthy countries because wealthy people have smaller families. This is true in other countries that have TRIED birth incentives and it's true in countries where the social safety nets are better than the US and lower the lifetime cost of children. Rearing kids is an exhausting process and people who have the option don't put their bodies or their social lives through having more than 1-2 children.
If you know the odds are very good your children will live, you have fewer. If you need less medium term household labor, you have fewer kids.
If the childrearing cycle is extended and includes the early 20s and post secondary education life phases, you are going to do less parenting and make it more targeted.
If you can afford good planning and birth control and it's available you use it.
NONE of these arguments are addressed by tax incentives.
You're being VERY charitable to try to rephrase the argument as related to opportunity cost.
The guy ultimately never made a cogent explanation of how or why his proposal would work, or even granting that, why it would be more desirable than allowing immigration. He also never addressed the point the person made in the Q and A about the time frame - workers in 18 years does NOTHING for a labor shortage now.
I was waiting for him to take off his shirt and put on a pair of green shorts.
Dude I was thinking the exact same fucking thing, holy fucking shit. Brain dead.
@@andrewashworth8327 even if the cost of having kids are reduced, the rich/middle income families are only gonna have 2 2 3 kids while poor families have 4 2 6 kids
Should've used the pizza debate tactic to distract the audience from your opponent's points.
Facts. The pizza debate tactic is a 5D move that never fails.
he took a sip of chocolate milk to confuse everyone
@@ferbyfurben9640 you spoiled the plot twist!
He saves that technique for the big boys
@@Green-tf8uw big papa isnt big enough ;(
That McDonald’s part gave me brain cancer, Andrew will do anything to ignorantly oppose you lmao. Mans really said the McDonald’s worker will fix the machines if they break. I can’t
Destiny should've brought up ice cream machines 😂😂
And the milkshake machine!
cant even fix ice cream machines 💀
If all automation is modular, and takes no education to do, wouldn't a single guy be able to fix tens of McDonald's kiosks a day? Pulling something out and putting something in takes 2 seconds.
Youd have significantly less kiosk repairmen than you would order takers
It really seems this Andrew guy is not debating in good faith and he either doesn't understand or believe his own points clearly displayed through his hypocrisy and the constant use of semantics.
What the dude clearly doesn't understand is that while automation might create jobs through maintenance, it still replaces a lot more jobs than it creates.
I think it may be unconscious ego protection. Either that or he really is just that stupid and I don't think that's the case. You see this a lot when atheists debate creationists. The creationist often refuses to acknowledge factual information out of an existential fear that accepting that point will prove wrong something the creationist has built their identity around. In other words it's not so much that the creationist really believes evolution is fake. It's that if they acknowledge that evolution is true their entire ego could collapse and they would be forced to face up to the fact that something they built their life and thus identity around is a lie. So they continue to believe evolution is fake as a means of ego protection not because evolution is fake. In Andrews case it may be white supremacy in place of evolution.
@@friendly1016 Either way repairing machines is irrelevant to the point Destiny was making. If you automate the cashier than their job is gone. It may or may not create a job repairing the automated ordering machine but either way there is no more cashier.
He likely believes what he’s saying, I think you’re right. But he also literally doesn’t understand like 101 level stuff and is too obstinate to learn from a smart person who knows because they’re a liberal.
@@djluminol I think it would be an interesting experiment to see if these basic Econ principles were explained to Andrew by a non-liberal if he would suddenly acknowledge facts.
He's definitely arguing in bad faith, no "Unbeatable" debater can have such gaps in their understanding of economics
destiny channel is full of clickbait, there are several right wing people Destiny avoid debating like David Duke because he knows he will risk losing the debate.
Anytime someone calls a debater 'unbeatable' you can immediately know it's either because that person is intellectually captured by that debater, or that the debater only ever talks to braindead people and hasn't lost yet.
Like Ben Shapiro or Matt Walsh; good at owning college sophomores, not particularly good at talking to anyone equal to or smarter than Joe Rogan.
its easy to win debates, when you're debating fact vs "im gonna make stuff up, so i can do weird shit and feel like im apart of some weird little group" which is what most of the debates are now. and why certain people, who debate truth.. arent ever going to be made to look stupid, because they arent debating a personal opinion. most of andrews core arguments come from the Bible.. so automatically.. hes not going to lose, unless he misrepresents the Bible. the same with matt walsh.. and ben shapiro.. kinda.. he seems to have morals, which are similar morals to Christians. but yeah, point being.. when you're arguing for the truth.. vs newly formed ideas that arent even a hundred years old... its going to be an easy win for anyone. its not that they arent debating the right people.. its that the people debating them are trying to disprove moral fact. and their opponents are trying to tell people that its okay to be immoral. thats the core of their argument. you can be trans, you can be gay, you can be selfish and not start a family, blah blah blah.. all they're arguing for, is for the right to sin. pretty wild stuff. how hard could it be, debating someone who doesnt know theres a difference between men and women? yeah... thats kindergarten level knowledge. that these people have purposely forgotten, so that they can continue to sin and act immoral.. then try to argue with people about it, as though they're ever going to win. @@CrawfishDeluxe
@@CrawfishDeluxeexcept Ben really took destiny to debate school. And Destiny is like 1-6 against Andrew, hence why he was undefeated. Imo Andrew and Ben were wrong on several points in their debates against Destiny; Destiny just didn’t do a good job of debating against those points at all.
@@wolvesdentrainingcenter8707 No, he didn't.
Ben did a pretty decent job arguing about the Israel/Palestine stuff, but I would expect him to. He floundered in providing strong justifications for Trump over Biden, and conceded a bunch of stuff there. His family structure arguments were also pretty weak, and he didn't provide much of an argument beyond "single parent households important, more marriage and kids good."
Was a little sad that Destiny didn't press him harder on certain things, but Ben dodged a lot in the debate, and the majority of his arguments were pretty superficial or outright specious, and a more skilled person would have pressed him much harder and embarrassed him.
I would score the debate very slightly to Ben, only because Destiny seemed to not be aggressive enough. He certainly didn't school him.
I came from the future and guess who was right Andrew Wilson in the end.
How was he right?
About what? McDonald's definitely has kiosks
Him asking Destiny to backup his claim that some McDonalds have screens you order from was the point at which he completely removes all remaining doubt that he's retarded.
The idea that he would lie about something so obvious and so easy to prove only comes from the minds of people so incapable of debating that they have to reach for that. What was Destiny supposed to say? "Oh god, you got me, those don't really exist."
Basically, yeah. Andrew Wilson has never really struck me as being all that bright unless you're a subscriber living in an echo chamber (the crucible). Destiny makes a point about automation of jobs referring to kiosks at McDonald's and Andrew is over here talking about how fixing the machine would take a low-skilled laborer. He's honestly out of touch with reality if he thinks someone with a high school education is the one who's going to be responsible for dealing with complicated circuitry and software malfunctions. Not to mention those people are unlikely to be hired 24/7 like a normal cashier, for instance.
I also think his views are pretty incompatible with one another if he's steadfastly against outsourcing, automation of jobs, and importing low-skilled workers, yet at the same time claims to be in favor of capitalism. Those are all products of capitalism because they save money, obviously.
Its funny how he said that his current favourite game is rimworld, which is a game all about importing a labour force to boost your economy
"importing" aka enslave until they agree to join
@@jaredfranklin4625 semantics
@@jaredfranklin4625 maybe he wants to stop intentional immigration and bring back the slave trade...
@@alliesakat enslaving foreigners to own the libs
@BlueRedAndYellow yes it is
Man, Steven is so patient to teach this guy basic economic principles.
More like basic logical principles, you don't need any knowledge in economics to follow this conversation ...
When this guy started trying to argue that the way to get people to have more kids is economic incentives, having already accepted that it's the WEALTHIER people who have LESS kids, it seriously broke my brain.
@@Jamie-pm7we Almost cringed to death LOL
@@Jamie-pm7we I think Destiny was missing a very quick easy dunk here. He could've simply asked "Does having more money result in a positive or negative effect on the birth rate of a household?" If he said positive, he would ask why wealthier households have less children. After saying that it was because of family planning, he would have him agree on the fact that it has a negative effect on the birth rate. Once the negative effect is agreed upon, whether it was answered initially or had to be fought over, he could then point out that a financial incentive would do nothing. I feel like Destiny never presented him with this dichotomy, which allowed Andrew to constantly evade the obvious conclusion.
@@Alex-qn9og didn’t even notice that
Lol at him trying to go to construction for an example of low skilled jobs that won't see any forms of automation within our lifetime. Dude is completely out of his fucking depth here...
Andrews argument has aged well, 3 years later
How so?
"there aren't all these automated kiosks @ McDonald's blah blah"
Tell me you never leave the house without telling me you never leave the house.
or he lives in bumsville, iowa
This dude doesn't understand that one dude can handle the repairs of THOUSANDS of kiosks at different McDonalds and each one effectively replaces a cashier. This dude is just a contrarian. It doesn't matter what Steven says, he's just gonna take the opposite stance.
@@ab8817 Even in bumsville Iowa McDonald’s implemented these. I know somebody who works in McDonald’s management and they actually push quotas to get people using those kiosks.
@@lukaswithakay oh i totally believe you. the boomer was just in denial about this sort of thing, as they usually are
@@lukaswithakay 100% I have a lot of family who live in a small rural town (population of about 8k). We went to the McDonald's and it's automated.
I'm honestly kind of curious if he was being deliberately ignorant because it hurt his point
Says something mind blowingly dumb and gets instantly called out: “I don’t want to get bogged down in this”
Lmao I literally knew these white nationalists where gonna say such typical shit like that
@@intello8953 At what point in this conversation did he say anything that sounded like white nationalism?
@@greenfroggood2392 🙄
@@greenfroggood2392 he suggested that the idea that black culture is the way they are is due to “genetic” how is that not dog whistling white nationalism to you? To suggested that black people are inherently predisposed to certain things.
@@datvo3076 I don't care about "dog whistles" that's just your subjective interpretation of certain things. How is that any different than someone saying destiny is a communist because he's "dog whistling" for open borders? Anyway, you're free to your opinion. Maybe just ask him directly about white nationalism next time.
33:10 “how long was Mussolini in power?”
1) Mussolini was in power for over 20 years, much longer than most world leaders, and
2) this dude knew exactly how long Mussolini was in power
This guy hasn’t been into a McDonald’s in the past year, absurd to listen to this guy
To be fair near me no fastfood is letting anyone into a lobby.
This man prob hasn't been anywhere. Just judging by his speech.
I keep seeing people say "the "master race" aren't sending their best". Yes. They are. This is the best they can do.
Trrrruuuuu!!
I think that people are saying that because they want to believe that people aren’t that stupid
@@Marqrk They are, and it's best that people accept that.
@@Marqrk no I think people are saying that because they're referencing something Trump said...
I thought that was a meme. Like obviously the master race is a stupid idea so anyone coming from it, who actually believes in it, is going to be in of themselves an idiot.
"Don't you think it is weird that a group of people vote for a party that best represents their interests?"
THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF VOTING! YOU VOTE FOR A PERSON OR PARTY THAT BEST REPRESENTS YOUR INTERESTS!!!
He's a fascist. He doesn't want people to vote in favor of their own interests.
@@schlafanzyk *people to vote
Then would you say if you keep mass importing these people in a "democracy" would that be considered cheating?
The fact that anyone takes voting serious with mass legal immigration is a joke.
@@schlafanzyk then whites can vote in their best interests too then right.
Basically his whole argument. Literally his whole ship sinks if you point out "Well if that's the case republicans can cater to them better and steal those voters right?". (Also sort of what's happening, hispanics are 50/50 dem/rep right now iirc) but I'm sure he'd come up with some wacky "Well if we started doing that, they'd deport them!"
"Don't you think they're coming here for the social safety nets of America" actually audibly lol'd at the absurdity of that... this guy is lost lmao
Sounds like an argument which works in UK but not America! Lol
@@bigtombowski the UK won't have social safety nets sooner then later.
@@shortyorc121 doubt it mate
Its 2023 now, and every McDonalds i have walked into has had an automated kiosk!
Mine has AI robots and interdimentional aliens serving everyone.
I love how he took a question asking why Destiny wasn’t focusing more on the humanitarian side of immigration policy and twisted it into agreeing with his weird conspiracy theory
I noticed that too lol
He also said "they're not saying Biden opened the borders." but the question literally said that.
I'm seeing some kind of bias in your debates, you where going way too easy on this guy. You didn't even even bust out the pizza tactic!
When the pizza comes out, you know Destiny gets serious
You dont need pizza for this guy.
Don't bust out the rocket launcher for a cockroach, yknow?
Big sloppy pizzas
This guy is too smart for pizza debate tactics, didnt you hear his argument about tarred roofs? You cant automate those!
Lmao you crazy guys!
“I’m gonna use facts and logic” proceeds to go on a conspiracy theory rant
The mental gymnastics it takes for these people to avoid saying how they actually feel never ceases to amaze me.
Can Andrew just say he doesn't want brown babies in his neighbourhood instead of doing this whole song and dance? That would make way more sense .
No he can't and I don't understand why. If you don't want nonwhites in your country then just say it, it's like even now people are genuinely afraid of being called racist. People always act like "oh you can't just say 'you know what I don't like? N******.' because you'll never gain an audience that way" and I say bullshit, that was the only way George Wallace got anyone to listen to him after talking about healthcare and poverty didn't work
@@SeruraRenge11 I believe the reason is simple, to people who hold such beliefs, admitting to being racist or harboring any type of prejudice breaks their facade of being paragons of virtue or perfect specimens. Their whole lives seem to be constructed under this utopia that they are justifiably above everyone else, they are pro-hierarchy after all, and taken to its extreme believing they are on top and everyone who does not look or sound like them at the bottom. And anyone who dares questions this sentiment or exposes its injustices, which invariably follow, must be malicious. It *cannot* be them.
@@SeruraRenge11 because racism can be logically denounced so easily that admitting to it would devalue their position and destroy the optics of a "legitimate" socioeconomic/political position they promote. Owning the bigotry would make acceptance of it on a larger scale more impossible. a simplified example: if the republican party integrated mask-off antiblack racism in their platform, then the classic "I'm black and I'm a republican" thing would just never happen at all, unless they were self-hating or something
Because he knows being blatantly racist leads to you being shunned but as long as you dance around your racism and give bullshot reasons for why you don't want more brown people then you can reel people in.
@@Fantazy1028 Yes but people like the guy Destiny is debating don't believe in the democratic process so why should they give a shit what people participating in the system think? /pol/ is proof that if you just say you hate blacks over and over and that you want a racewar is enough to gain an audience. It may not be a very large audience but if you don't believe in democracy then you don't need as big of a tent as possible, you just need to be willing to commit violence to enact your goals and then you'll naturally attract extremists. The Blackshirts only had about 30,000 people with them when they marched on Rome and antifascist protestors could do nothing to stop them as the fascists would indiscriminately murder anyone that stood against them.
It's like that one guy said, "screw your optics I'm going in" and look what he accomplished compared to people on the internet arguing, or the NZ guy who just made it all look like a game to him. You don't need a lot of people to do a lot of damage.
Way does every person destiny debates have to not only have the lowest intelligence, but also speak with the absolute smugness of someone who thinks they're spitting genius information?
Dunning-Kruger
Dunning-Kruger
This guy wasnt all that bad actually
You’d have to be a narcissist to be that dogmatic when no information say you are right
@@LukeMcGuireoides I was fucking laughing so hard during the birthrate planning shit how is this guy not that bad to you?
This guy is the epitome of the Dunning-Kruger effect. He thinks because is able to manipulate that it makes him way smarter than everyone else. Unfortunately, he's very bad at manipulating people.
are you saying this is an example of dunning kruger AND that he’s trying to manipulate? because if i remember correctly the dunning kruger effect has nothing to do with manipulation
Remember two years ago when everybody was using the term 'dunning-kruger effect,' often without seeming to understand what it even was?
Andrew wants to use a bunch of “loaded” terms and then doesn’t want to define them. How convenient.
I legitimately can't believe this guy actually watched Destiny's second debate with Fuentes and still thought this was a going to be a good idea . . .
he likely pulled the classic "he didn't do a good job pushing my ideas, if I just talk to him I have slightly different worded talking points that will own him, yeah that's a slam dunk for me"
Destiny? Sounds like someone who sticks it to corporations
Doesnt sound like Destiny to me. He supports Biden and Biden supports big corporations
I hope this is ironic
Hahaha, libel
AMAZIN how some people are still immune to sarcasm
@@schlafanzyk You mean susceptible hopefully.
Is he upset that "hispanics" aren't voting for the party that doesn't even want them here? lol
“If I owned a business, why would I pay a cashier 40k a year when I can pay a one-time 50k installation fee of a screen?”
“No one is making 40k as a cashier.”
Holy shit, what a way to miss the point.
it annoys me so much when he dodged that and every other question that would destroy his world view
This whole argument could have just been “I hate Mexicans and don’t want them to immigrate here legally or illegally” if the guy was honest lmao save everyone some time and he could live true to himself lmao
Nice strawman
@@veritasabsoluta4285 your name says enough
@@veritasabsoluta4285 >56%er
Ironically, Destiny actually respects folks who just come right out and say it than people who hide, duck, dog-whistle and argue around the truth.
@@lucqq3792 My name translates into "Absolute Truth", not sure what your moronic take is. The "Far-Right" guy was a dumbass but that doesn't mean OP's comment isn't a strawman.
Guy: Give me an example of a field that's at risk of losing labor to automation
Destiny: Construction
Guy: Explain to me the exact mechanical processes, materials used, and give me a list of names of everyone who's going to lose their job because of it
Destiny:
Destiny: Subscribe to The B1M, the definitive video channel for construction.
42:15 When the entire tangent argument is brought back and applied to the initial premise so beautifully that you laugh out loud
lmao "i only want to talk about immigration"
same dude: "what about divorce"
rotfl, already off to a bad start
This guy literally argued about basic economics concepts for almost a hour.
I actually really love how Destiny was prepared to give his full attention to this debate, because of the hype he was given by the opposition, and it turns out he's marginally better than most other conservative debaters
He’s really not. His benefit is being a coward and knowing it so he doesn’t have the balls to say certain things
@@claymusicoff5663 like what? You mind being less vague? It seems like Destiny was being very clear about his positions. Just because he wasn't trying to start a shouting match doesn't mean he was being a coward. The point of a debate is discussion, not adhoms
@@armandoocana409 I was referring to Andy constantly backing out of topics. Relax
@@claymusicoff5663 oh I see, but even to that I wouldn't say his debate benefits haven't been because of being a coward. He's a pretty good debater but he doesn't have very good arguments. Which is why Destiny staying chill the whole time really helped
@@armandoocana409 u can’t be a good debator without good arguments. Well at least U can only be successful rhetorically. Like idk who he was debating before but he’s like comically simple minded. And like I said he’s a coward, so he hides behind things like not commuting to a point, or saying “not now,” or even in fact saying idk when it’s something he should clearly have thought about before he made his opinion. Like other right wingers would at least bite the bullet on certain topics because it’s so logically sound. Like the automation thing.
Big papa fascist got wrecked
When he said "Big Pimpin" i lost it so hard. That is probably the WHITEST thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
🤣😂😂
And every time you ask what they mean by "culture" they can't fucking answer and get stunlocked. They realize they can't admit to socioeconomic issues, systemic racism, and judicial complications; but they also can't just come out and say THE BLACKS are inferior.
@@Lildoc911 it’s actually hilarious to watch people try and grapple with it
@@Lildoc911 go to black Twitter they will tell you.
@@AveSequoia I beg your pardon?
"But what about Japan?" Never fails.
weeds failing on what?
@Dick weed so why is the first thing that seems to always happen is just import people.....why not incentivize getting jobs or promote native births....
@@AveSequoia they've been doing that and it hasnt work last 7 years. So there gonna a start immigration.
@Dick weed Ah yes, Japan the perfect society! Their suicide rate? Why, I'm not sure! Why do you ask...?
@@TheGamersCastInc I mean you can just make people have babies if you care so much about preserving the ethnic makeup of your society. I mean the soviets did it in Russia specifically.
It would be interesting to have these two hold this same debate now, with the new information that is publicly known about the topics. They could even comment based on where they were shown incorrect by developments or changed their view because of developments.
Destiny is sadly dodging andrew
@@yepimethan1815suuure.
@@Koshertits Ask him
@@pmbcdirector1489 Ask him what?
@@Koshertits Ask Destiny if he is avoiding Andrew and if he is not, why he doesn't debate him again. It is a pretty simple thing to do (now, he may not answer, but we won't have to guess anymore)
Watch it urself. Most of the comments are biased. I came away a bit more educated than i was.
Don’t say anything folks might need to critically think for once 😂
The minute he started talking about a Japanese-style immigration policy, I was like "ohhh boy, this is gonna get real racist, isn't it"
Japan and racism? Nah, never!
It speaks to how simple this dude is. Destiny was barely walking here.
Wait, lemme get this straight, you thought that only at the Japan statement, not because his "big papa fascist" name? :D
I like the danish system
@@fungdark8270 what do you mean by that? You can migrate to denmark from all over europe without needing any kind of work permit whatsoever
This guy could win a gold medal in mental gymnastics, holy shit.
So could destiny. These debates are not about coming to a productive conclusion. It's just a battle of wits.
@@DaxSports1 because the debates arent about changing the debaters minds, theyre about changing ours.
@@bertthompson4748 I think it's both the guy you're debating and people watching te debate.
@@bertthompson4748 True but we could learn more if they weren't screaming and pivoting every so often.
@@DaxSports1 you wanted to learn something from this? destiny only showed up to take the wrinklybrain title
“Let me prove it to you.”
*proceeds to ask a question and present no evidence*
The US: borders latin America
The right: Kinda sus how so many of these immigrants are latin American
This guy's mind is a living and morphing maze
Each turn is a ripple beyond our comprehension.
a mind just reamed by Destiny's morphing maze.
Listen we're taking about a GRADUAL income scale here. Money is the only barrier preventing people from having more children. The larger your income the less likely you are to have children. CLEARLY if we want a higher birth rate we need to increase wages for US Citizens. This is simple guys, come on.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 no its a ripple beyond his comprehension. That's why he says the things he does.
@@JohnDoe-sp3dc To INCREASE the birthrate we have to INCREASE the incoom.
I worked in a Panera Bread for 4 years while going to school. They used to pay people to literally stand behind a cash register for the entirety of their shift, because other than pick-up orders or catering(which were minimal), that was the only source of orders, which equals sales, which means managers could keep more employees on the clock. Once the self ordering kiosks were put in, they didn’t have to pay people to do that anymore, and the amount of cashiers they had on staff was significantly reduced. The food industry is already notorious for sending people home early if there’s nothing going on purely to save labor.
You’d think somebody claiming to be advocating for “American workers” like this chud would be a little less out of touch.
As a gm in food thats literally all the owners talk about is reducing labor and food cost but first labor
1 home depot by my house has gotten rid every single cashier. Its 100% check out.
He should just admit that he’s racist. It’s painful hearing these people twist themselves into knots trying to convince everyone they don’t care about race when that’s literally all they talk about. Also, it’s crazy that these are the same arguments that Jontron was making, “I just don’t want illegal immigrants, I want to protect the white majority, etc…” and people say he’s not racist or a bigot. He absolutely is.
Oh man, the way Andrew talked about automation did not age well at all. Not to mention, during the Q and a he stated that they left doesn’t give a shit about veterans. Meanwhile, earlier in 2022, Republicans nearly unanimously, voted against the veterans aid package while all Democrats voted in favor.
This dude is nuts "I didn't say that" literally 5 seconds after saying just that???
The classic gaslight
He thinks he's Jordan Peterson
I cannot imagine why immigrants don't vote for the anti-them party
A lot of the immigrants that CAN vote, do so for the leopards eating faces party. The irony in this conspiracy that dems bring in busloads of illegals to vote blue is that most of them are old school conservatives and vote as such.
@@osamabindiesel3389 Yup if conservatives could stop being racist for five minutes they'd have one hell of a voting block.
why aren't hispanic immigrants voting for the party that's constantly trying to hound them out of their homes and communities? truly an unsolveable problem
@@osamabindiesel3389
"I never thought the leopards would eat *MY* face!" - says faceless lifetime supporter of the leopards eating people's faces party.
They do
Wow, I was about to be bored, but then the host/moderator started talking. So much energy and enthusiasm! Kept me watching!
disappointed andrew didnt comment on the labor situation in Tomato Town....
whats crazy is that the “hispanic” voting block is not overwhelmingly democrat.
Every generation it's more and more democrat. And every election for decades it's always been super majority democrat
@@AveSequoia I thought Republicans were bragging about Trump getting more Hispanic voters than ever in 2020?
@@gingerlicious3500 neo cons yes very cucky
@@AveSequoia Trump supporters are neocons now?
@@gingerlicious3500 the people bragging are the officials
Was that dude for real? He debates every week and he is that bad??? And thank you destiny for bringing up the fact that more than teens work fast food jobs. I’ve lived in areas that had no teens, all adults over 40 so desperate they would take anything. You totally rock, dude. Thank you
Teens are at school during the day, who do people think work there feeding people on their lunch breaks?
The ' only young people do this job so it is okay to pay them crap' is so annoying.
@@ultraboombean I agree and luckily this stupid boomer take is slowly going away on the right.
He’s not that bad at debating, he’s just republican
quality over quantity
Lmao the dude during McDonalds automation piece was hilarious. There’s a bunch out here in SoCal, I can vouch for that.
Dude this guy is a nut, where they both lost me was when they started talking about construction....
1. Construction is not unskilled labor
2. You can't and won't see construction automated to the degree they conceptualize.
"I'm not saying they won't vote republican"
"I'm not saying they can't buy property"
"I'm not saying that Democrats are importing Mexicans in"
"I'm now saying we should bring in temp labor"
"I'm not saying wages should be infinitely high"
"Im not saying all form of automation are all job killing forms of automation"
Idk dude. I might be going out on limb and saying this. But it KIND OF seems like you ARE saying those things or at the very least, heavily implying them.
It’s all argument by deflection. The students whole basis is begging the question. And these are the same people who say “fact don’t care about your feelings”. That’s what this guys entire argument is based on. So ridiculous complete projection
@@bleedinggreen2518 I think they've started to stop using that because they've seen how dumb it makes them look, since you can apply it to them so much more than any other group.
It’s the Sargon method of argument: spend 20 minutes laying out a point. Then saying “I’m not saying that. I never said that” when you start to logically follow it through.
truly unfathomable level of dishonesty. what a slimy creature honestly
this whole video in a nutshell pretty much
Normal person: 95% Water
That guy: 5% Water 94% intelectual dishonesty 1% genetics
Who’s 95% water
He calls the 1% culture/genetic
Plankton: 1% evil 99% hot gas
100% concentrated power of will
@@MowLawner and 0% reason to remember his name
You know what I never understood? If people are concerned about national IQ being dropped, wouldn't it be easier to just get smarter immigrants to come here from all countries rather than limiting the countries immigrants come from?
The way you handled that economic discussion so eloquently was actually fucking inspirational.
Unfortunate that there's no chat but it's okay. I just like hearing an idiotic take and immediately look at chat to see a ton of OMEGALULs
???????????????????????
??????????????? Derpstiny
Didn't you hear? Chat on the screen is a disrespectful debate tactic.
I prefer it this way, personally. Every twitch chat in existance has planetary-sized mob mentality and Destiny's even more so. So tired of looking at arrogant idiots omegalululing everything the other guy says, but if they actually had to take Destiny's place and have the argument alone, 99% of them would have a mental breakdown, unable to stumble past even a few sentences.
@@stark8837 I mean the low child birth rate due to economic barriers was worth "Omegaluling" tbh, any idiot would see how dumb that argument is.
I actually really liked Brittany's contributions throughout the discussion. When she typed "help me, i am trapped here against my will" on her keyboard, I was really sold on the capitalistic exploitation of laborers like herself from the third world happening in America right now.
based
Yes, the whites be hustlin and you're super smart. Definitely not a cockroach bigot at all
😂
"The idea of perpetual growth is on its face silly, it's not going to be able to be kept up indefinitely."
Damn, the right-wing is coming out with some scathing criticisms of capitalism lately.
I have been to over a dozen different Mcdonalds in Illinois, wealthy and not so wealthy areas, that have those kiosks for taking orders. Mcdonalds has gotten so efficient at everything that the dining rooms have been getting bigger and nicer and they even walk the food to your table now...or well they did before Covid.
"Give me an example?"
"Ok so X."
"That's an anecdote"
This guy incredible at moving the goal posts and pivoting. It is actually quite impressive.
It's like we're listening to a version of Charlie Kirk that was shot with a tranquilizer.
fashies are always really good at this kind of slimy rhetoric. i really do wonder where they all learn it
Ask, let them answer, "Who asked?". Kind of a gaslight.
I'm a conservative and I'm ashamed he is suppose to be on " my side." Also this guy was on a debate winning streak? Honestly it's sad. Good job destiny. I started listening to you to get a feel for a lefty's take on things, but your debates are quite interesting if not funny.
You’re probably in the wrong place for a “lefty” take, Destiny infamously hates lefties. He’s just a sensible logical centrist kinda dude
@@sambutton8494 lol i think it depends what you mean by a lefty. If you are talking about socialists then yes he does. But otherwise he's a fairly progressive democrat who has disagreements with certain progressive ideas like a flat minimum wage increase or total student debt relief.
@@radscorpion8 why is he against total student debt relief?
@@crazyBelluz I disagree with destiny on that but I’m going to try to steelman his position here.
Destiny thinks that flat student debt forgiveness is a bad idea because it’s a lot of money to spend on what basically amounts to a tax break for some of the highest earners in the country. People with college degrees earn significantly more (yes, even folk with “useless” degrees) than non-degree earners. Even the lowest quartile of college educated workers earn as much as the highest quartile of non-college educated workers. It doesn’t make a whole
lot of sense to spend so much money relieving debt for a group of people who are some of the highest earners in society. Also, rich families are way more likely to send their kids to college than working class ones, therefore again it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense when we could spend that same amount of money on something more progressive than student debt relief, like a UBI or something like that.
@@crazyBelluz because it's a fuck ton of money to people that are going to be in a higher income bracket than most, money that could be better spent elsewhere.
He was doing alright in the first half but the last half was him just wanting to win the argument and ignoring the obvious.
fast food places near me are starting at 18 an hour so were pretty close to that pie in the sky 20 an hour market lmao.
My guy doesn't even know that there are screens that you can order from at McDonalds.
Some reason this really triggered him lmao
People like him always stick their head in the sand and ignore all small technological advances. In his warped mind automation will only be real if EVERYTHING is automated. "Do you see flying cars anywhere? No?! Lolll you see, tech hasn't advanced at all"
@@moralapostel I feel like they see things in black and white, or in a 1-0 binary system. Like saying if masks aren't 100% percent effective then we should just not use them at all.
@@WanderTheNomad That's true, everything is simple binary for them. That's why they have such an easy time falling into false equivalence and other logical fallacies. It's also why they have a tendency to let perfect be the enemy of good. If it's not perfect, it's worth nothing.
my favorite part is him pretending not to understand what destiny is talking about, then later using the word ‘kiosk’ before destiny ever had. what a fucking weasel lol.
Really sucks that people are so afraid to debate nowadays. It's pretty obvious to me that Destiny is starting to take a more calm approach to debates, and I feel like if people were truly good faith they wouldn't hide behind excuses like Destiny being 'toxic' when it comes to why they don't debate Destiny.
People are scared to look dumb.
It’s 100% just that he’s super bored of debating the same stupid takes from (online) Republicans
@@superDUPERman102 that's exactly how we feel about you. It's always the "same stupid takes" because the problems are so obvious.
The left just refuses to accept even the most basic and obvious concepts. Dont like the rain? The left can solve that they will just call it something else and bingo...never have to deal with rain again.
@@suzukisixk7 > that's exactly how we feel about you
Facts don't care about your feelings.
@@suzukisixk7 I don't think you watched the debate.
Destiny is much more skilled at picking battles big enough to matter, but small enough to win. This other character is getting constantly caught up on minutiae in an attempt to “trap” Destiny
*I'm from the future of 2023.* Automation in the form of self ordering kiosks are in every McDonald's.
You gotta hand it to Andrew for appearing confident even though he's consistently getting knocked back on his heels. The dude's a ballsweat lmao