IMPORTANT CORRECTION (cause ive seen some vegans say this info incorrectly, its not sourced from animals and its also not exactly frankenfood either)- Brave Robot is NOT lab grown dairy. It is NON-ANIMAL SOURCED and they source their cells from fungal microflora. But their result is EXACTLY LIKE dairy proteins. It has ZERO cholesterol and animal fat. Its a process they call precision fermentation and its not technically genetically modified. They said its more like they direct the cells/flora/etc to go in certain directions. Their microflora source is: "The specific organism we use is a multicellular, filamentous fungus, which means it has a branching structure that enables it to rapidly expand into its environment and capture any available resources using those prolific digestive enzymes." filamentous fungus is a terrestrial/soil fungus. Another statement: "You could think of microflora as the agricultural animals of tomorrow. Except they’re not animals at all! If a fungus is “the new cow” for making dairy, then it’s a really, really small cow, with no body, mind, or nervous system." Read more about it here: perfectday.com/blog/meet-the-flora/ Ive had a lot of Brave Robot flavors and theyre even BETTER than what I remember dairy tasting like. Cant wait to see CHEESE come out next from this process. Plants and this fungal microflora are amazing, so cool!
It seems like Brave Robot's parent company Urgent was bought by a large food technology corporation Superlatus last year. I've also seen Brave Robot vanish from store shelves, and their website is gone. So is the website for Coolhaus, their sister company owned by Urgent; they made vegan ice cream sandwiches sold in Whole Foods. I suspect those events are related. I hope they are not all shut down, but that's what it seems like right now.
I did MULTIPLE projects on this from 2017-2020 in college. Lab grown meat is the future. Will I eat it? No. But by god SUPPORT it. If meat eaters aren't willing to change, this is the next best thing!
@@Unmasking_ViandalismeWell then you're just a horrible person with messed up morals...knowingly supporting death and suffering (as well as environmental destruction and anti biotic resistance in humans) over an even healthier and safer option that ticks all the same boxes is just baffling and makes me question the level of cruelness in todays society🤥 this way of thinking disgusts me
@@Unmasking_Viandalisme Maybe look closer into your pasture grown Sentients' raising and 'production' processess. Vegan non sense is not my game either. But I am confused about whether or not you know what nonsense is.
Interesting perspective. I can see the use of lab grown meat for pets. I personally wouldn't eat it, because I don't see the added value of lab grown meat for my diet.
My biggest issue with lab grown meat is how it's basically used as an excuse to not do your best now. It's like with fusion reactors, or biofuel. Where a problem is accepted as being real, but the supposed solution is conveniently in the future, meaning I can just keep going as I am until someone else fixes the issue for me.
Great point no doubt. I think this convenient solution is further off into the future than scientists predict as well. I mean it will likely remain suuuuuper expensive for a long time even when it does roll out. So i aint done yet preaching on how to please meatheadz, be vegan. The substitutes are hella good enough. Lol
Yes, but I lost hope in humanity long ago. Humans suck, but animals should not have to suffer and die because of humanity. We need to save them any way we can.
Unfortunately, there are millions if not billions of people who can basically give a f*** about animals and veganism so this might be the only option to save all the innocent beings.
One correction from a vegan who also studied biology :) Antibiotic resistance refers to the bacteria themselves becoming resistant to antibiotics due to the overuse of certain antibiotics. It does not refer to people becoming resistant to antibiotics. However, the fact still remains that bacteria are becoming more resistant to commonly used antibiotics, in part due to overuse in medicine, overuse in agriculture, etc.
I dont miss meat and would probably feel weird eating it, but i would very much hope that people who refuse to eat vegan at least eat cultivated meat instead of actual animals.
It's not something I would be interested in eating, but as a cat owner, I would be interested in buying it for my pets. I would hope they could make it at a good price point, that would make meat eaters want to eat it. I think that if I did eat meat, I would be interested.
19 year vegan, here. Bring on the lab grown meat. I don't really want to eat meat, so I'll pass. But if we could get lab grown Brie, well that could be a different story! Brave Robot is AMAZING. AMAZING.
After 16 years vegan, meat holds no appeal for me. I will not be eating lab grown meat regardless of the ethics. I fully support this as an option for people who choose it, especially the ones who would otherwise be eating standard meat.
Great discussion.👌 I would be 100% for all current flesh eaters switching lab grown meat. And if some vegans do eat lab grown meat i would be totally okay with that also.
The thing is… they are not just growing meat in the labs, they are also growing plats, veggies, fruits so not just meat eaters will eat lab grown food.
100% for this to stop the suffering of billions of animals per year. But yeah, no, not eating it for the same reason you mentioned. I'm just not into the flavor of animal flesh or secretions after 22 years vegan. DEFINITELY would buy lab grown cat food!
I don’t think I would eat it either, but I support it. Anything to end or greatly reduce animal suffering! I have been grossed out by eating meat since I was a kid, but I would definitely eat the cheese if that becomes a thing.
I support lab grown. Even though I have lost the taste for meat I will probably eat it sometimes just to help its adoption. Because you can be sure there will be vested interests who try and stop its adoption.
As someone in a relationship with someone who is very much NOT vegan, lab-grown meat will radically improve my life. Plus, it will allow me to feed my cats a vegan diet, something which is currently wildly unethical.
I mean I feel like it's almost "more vegan" than white sugar that is processed with cow's bone char. If you think about it. And a bunch of vegans eat that.
I will not would not consume it. It is not vegan. BUT, and yes I have a big but, It will be the best thing for sanctuaries and until we finally get rid of them, zoos, and for companion animals. Cats being able to eat the fleah of small mammals as they would, without harming another mammal, though it may still be considered exploitation. There was a pet food company called for the animals that was very close to releasing some cat foods but then they were bought out and I have no idea what has happened to that. That was at least 6 years ago.
I'm all for lab grown meats - if all "real meat" would be replaced by lab grown meat in the future, that would be a great improvement in reducing animal suffering. Personally, I wouldn't use lab grown meat myself, as I don't eat meat not only for the ethical, but also health reasons, and lab grown meat, while probably healthier, would still have animal fats that aren't particularly good for you. And I no longer find the thought of eating meat particularly... palatable. It's been several years since I first shifted from eating meat to eating a vegetarian diet with the occasional addition of fish - and closing in on half a year eating a 95% plant based diet, with the very occasional food product with some dairy in it.
Very interesting question. I think would at least try it. I don't know if I would like it after 35 years of not eating meat, but I'd be curious. If all the marketing info turns out to be true, this would have a significant impact on the world. I worry about acceptance from the meat eating public though. It would have to be much cheaper for people to buy it. And the traditional meat industry will heavily influence the governments around the world against this. Edit: also - cruelty free cheese? Now that is something I could totally see myself buying every once in a while.
As someone who hasn't eaten meat and dairy for more than a decade, I totally support lab grown meat. I won't necessarily eat it because it does gross me out. But anything to diminish unethical and harmful practices is okay in my book!
I would not eat lab-grown meat, but if it means the end of factory farming and its massive cruelty to animals, then I'm for it for those who will never give up dead flesh.
Imagine you wouldn't have to do fake meats which I do like from time to time and you are not hurting an animal and that's the reason I am vegan. Another plus is if you have pets. Our pets are not mainly vegan so it would be perfect if you want to make your own pet food. Some pets, like dogs, can be plant based but some pets, like cats, may be more finicky, and harder to change their diet.
I'm not interested in eating meat, so it wouldn't be for me. But I think it would be great for animals and I wouldn't be judgy against anyone who did consume it.
I have been vegan for 20+ years and I was counting the days until it was available, THEN a restaurant put chicken on my salad (I thought it was vegan chickn'- as they had both, but it looked really real, so I took a tiny piece and tasted it and knew IMMEDIATELY- it completely freaked me out- in a way I never imagined - so.... I think I am past the point that I can do it, but for the animals as well as environmentally it will be game changing,
I've been vegan for four years now (my veganniversary was just a couple days ago lol) and I'm right there with you - I don't think I could eat lab grown meat, especially because meat makes me really sick (bad cross contamination accident once... I was wretching before my brain figured out what was happening) but if it'll get meat eaters to stop enjoying the slaughtered pieces of sentient beings, then they can go for it.
I enjoyed watching this and catching up on a few extra details, we gotta stay learnt on this topic. I agree, to me it's still vegan and hella important. I would buy and eat it, but I'll still support the fake meats like beyong and impossible too. No doubt those will remain the cheaper option, probably for forever.
I don't miss meat. So for me, no. If other people want it, good for them. But it is not vegan, and the ethics for the animals is questionsable, and the meat industry has a lot of money to keep this from happening.
Culturing cells would still make it an animal byproduct. So, it would more so be living-vegetarian than vegan as it comes from a living animal similar to eggs, honey, or dairy. For it to be vegan it would have to use no animal or animal byproducts.
@@matheus8530 It still wouldn’t be vegan as vegan contains no animals or animal byproducts, so it would be living-vegetarian possibly or just vegetarian as that can include animal byproducts, the living vegetarians would eat honey, egg, dairy and seeing as this is cultured cell flesh, it wouldn’t be possibly living vegetarian although some may look at it more along the animal broth type vegetarian. It’s not vegan though if it’s a byproduct of animals and it also wouldn’t be kosher as it doesn’t meet those guidelines either.
@@bluetinsel7099there are vegan versions that work without taking znything from any animals. It is still the beginning of thwt revolution but yes truly vegan lab grown meat is possible
@ If cells have to be cultured it is still taking from animals. If it’s coming from animals that have come from cultures, it’s still coming from animals. There is already vegan meat, but people want to consume flesh so flesh is not vegan.
Lab grown meat doesn't appeal to me because as long it comes from an animal even without killing them it's still a form of animal exploition so it's not vegan under the ethical reasons for me. Another awesome video Candice and love 🥰 your channel.
Why can't they take the cells from humans? Meat eaters often say how meat is bioavailable, well, wouldn't it be more bioavailable of it was from the same species? Heck, it could even be from the same human. I have heard of a company that is working on an appliance that would make it possible to do lab grown meat at home. So, everyone could just take a few cells from herself/himself and grow his/her own meat. (I am half joking.)
I used to be all for lab grown meat. However, I am still very skeptical of the people behind lab grown meat. We really don't know what really is going into it. We can take their word for it, and believe it is "clean" meat. But you can never be really sure unless you raise the animal yourself, and know what it's being fed. If I did go back to eating meat and dairy, I would go this route. However, I don't see that happening any time soon, so I'll just stick to my veggies and supplements for now lol. I don't even like to eat faux meat very often because you don't know what you're really getting.
You could be sure to some degree, we live in a world where every day people can send things off to independent labs for testing... granted most people wouldn't bother going through that process.
It is not meat and will be unhealthy. Just look to see how it is made and you will puke. Stick with Ralph and healthy meat. Meat is the healthiest food on earth.
Lab-grown meat is not for me, but back to the yummy goodness of plant-based food, Candace, have you tried huitlacoches? Pronounced Wheat-la-coe-chez, this fungi you may know from farmer's word for it, 'corn smut', has all the amino acids as meat does without the toxins our bodies can do without.
Yeah, I think it’s great for other people, I personally am a bit icked by the thought of eating meat in general. (I havent eaten it for…nearly 24 years now and yeah, I don’t think it’s for me) but if it saves billions of lives I see it as a net good.
Its a no from me, i dont miss meat so this is not an option for me. Also if made from animal cells/hurts the animal/experiment then definitely no for me personally. Im happy with my veggies❤ but its a better alternative for meat eaters for sure better than what we have available today .great video and you cover so many topics that others dont. Thank you for your content ❤😊
I have no desk to eat meat lab grown or otherwise. The replication process does make me wonder how the mass production of the same cells over and over again, how the could mutate and possibly become sources of diseases. So I am not sure about the safety.
I feel like I would be ok with it being lab grown. It means that no animal is being harmed. And to me that’s the main goal, not I would not eat a lot of it because too much meat is still not good for you. But if it means that we don’t have to kill something to eat it then I would take that option over conventional meat. 😊
My feelings toward lab grown meat are very similar to yours, though I do feel more conflicted about it. I definitely wouldn't eat it myself, the thought of eating meat is disgusting to me. At the same time, I can recognize the good that it can cause and in particular I like the idea of it for pet foods, so that vegans (and everyone else) can feed their animal companions more humanely. However, the fact that there has to be a donor animal does not sit well with me because it's not like that animal can consent and as you pointed out the biopsy can cause pain. That animal is still being treated as a commodity, even if it isn't being mistreated and abused before being slaughtered at a young age as is the norm in animal agriculture. You get into a "do the ends justify the means" problem there and I simply don't know how I feel when the means are causing some pain and distress to a sentient being who cannot consent and the ends are saving thousands of innocent lives, including the life of the donor. I don't think it's moral to do that to the donor animal, but it's certainly more moral than animal agriculture.
It is dangerous to eat the meat of one's own species thought. Populations that practices cannibalism tend to develop spongiform encephalopathy problems.
I think you are right that there are a lot of people not ready to give up meat. It would be nice if the majority of non-vegans at least switched to lab grown meat. But I can see how it might not be for vegans who have already grown comfortable and happy without meat. As some one who has never been able to successfully transition to a vegan diet for any real length of time, i'm pretty passionate about wanting access to lab grown meat. But It's sad that it may never take off because it's a threat to the meat industry.
@ashleybland9392 What do you mean, they are not ready to give up meat? What do they need to do to get ready? And why haven't you been able to successfully transition to a vegan diet? Do you know that there are plant-based meats that taste just like meats from animals? I don't see any difference between plant-based meats and in vitro meats.
I personally would not eat it bc the animal is not consenting to the biospy (if I understanding the procedure correctly, if not someone please correct me) therefore I personally don't consider this vegan. BUT it will still REALLY minimize animal suffering and I am all for it for meat eaters and as many others stated, pets. This is definitely the more preferable option to what is happening now
By meat, they mean lamb, cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys. So, my question is since the meat is grown in a lab, why they don't grow dogs, cats or even better human meat! 😊🤷♂️ Don't get me wrong, I am all in for lab meat, so that the meat-eaters can no longer harm/exploit animals and I am not sure if I will ever eat lab grown meat, but I am still wondering, why would we normalize eating meat from the usual animals that we are eating and not from other animals or humans. 😊
For those who insist lab-grown meat is vegan, why? It indisputably is animal flesh. The health risks associated with consumption of the product doesn’t change just because it is produced “sans l'animal”. Additionally, what are the environmental costs associated with producing. Is it cloning process? Does it require donor animals in perpetuity?
I am happy that the environment will benefit from the lab grown option. Animal fluids = hazardous waste. This’ll help the environment. Yay! For me, I can eat alternatives since alternatives do not require suffering. I’m happy the suffering will eventually be minimal to zero. I hope I see it in my lifetime. However, I also have zero taste for meat. I find the smell alone repulsive. Also, I have an allergy to animal proteins that led me to be plant-based and then vegan. I can’t consume it even if I wanted to.
Lab grown is good for meat eaters that will not give up meat, at least it seems that it would greatly reduce the number of animals slaughtered, less land needed for meat production. As a long term vegan, for moral and ethical reasons, I would not eat it. It still has all the negatives of meat (cholesterol, fat, etc.), so for that reason, it still is not the best for people. But, is better for the animals. Ranchers/farmers are gonna have a "cow" though!
Im not a vegan, sushi and cheese, but this looks very promising. started eating less meat when I learned about the environment. then I learned about the abuse to animals. this could change a lot for the better. I dont think I will eat this just as I wont eat flower made from insects.
They said they can remove parts like f.e. cholesterol from it. And only *processed* meat is assessed as carcinogen by the WHO ( meat contains mainly protein, water and fat ... and also micronutrients iron, cinc, selen, vitamin A and B12 ... none of those ingredients are carcinogen ... but nitrite curing salt as a preservative def. is )
i don't see the point in eating lab grown meat for vegan people. we are already fine and pleased with the food we make. messing with lab grown meat will just ruin our taste buds, and then the stuff we are used to won't be good anymore.
@@barbaraibiel but in which way do dogs suffer from being a pet? I get your point, but I think for dogs and cats it's a little different than for reptiles, rodents and horses.
@@sunnygirl5467 Cats and dogs have all their basic rights violated: life (many are euthanized for no reason), liberty, bodily integrity (castration, tail docking, declawing, etc.) and self-determination. Mamy are kept in solitary confinement and never see another member of their species. They are told when to eat, go to the bathroom, sleep, etc. Many dogs are kept in crates for 8 hours a day when their owners are at work. Look at all those videos about cruelty to cats and dogs. I could go on and on.
First, would I eat it? No. The flesh certainly not. Like you, the cultured dairy stuff would be tempting. I might try it from grocery store bought items since labeling must be truthful. I do not trust non vegan restaurants so I likely would not order a product from those places. But I’ve adjusted to the plantbased versions so no real desire to change it for me. I do believe this is the future and all the knuckledraggers who are “banning” this significant breakthrough in improving this planet will change their tune as they see others have great success with it while they struggle. They will be the equivalent of those that fought to keep whale oil instead of adopting electricity. Footnotes to be mocked. I think this is inevitable and cannot be stopped by knuckledraggers trying to cling on to the past. This tech will end factory farming. I can’t help but laugh at those who try and fight this claiming “jobs lost” as the reason. People’s jobs only matter until the employer figures out how to make money without those people. Once the powers that be get a handle on cultured products and how cheap it will be to produce, the jobs will no longer matter. Right now the powers that be are scared and view this as a threat to them so they use government to delay things until they can get their gameplan together. Once they do, they will lead the charge into the cultured products and how future. My recommendation to those who currently work in the animal exploitation industry, you’re about to become as relevant as elevator operators and vcr repairmen. Go find a real job.
Meat eaters will have to be forced by law to give up animal meat after lab grown meat is made available. They won't give up animal meat willingly, just like they have not done it so far when we have plant-based meats that taste just like animal meats. It seems to me that meat eaters want animals to suffer and die for them. Maybe it makes them feel important that someone suffered and died for them.
People still have issues with GMO veggies, which typically, only involve changing a few genes to make them more resistant to drought and pest. Not sure they'll embrace lab grown animal proteins. I won't. I'm not vegan, grew up on a farm, we treated our animals well but yes, we did slaughter them, with as little pain as possible. I think eating meat daily is a bad idea for health and the environment. I doubt lab meat will be all that healthier.
It's just not for me, I find the idea very gross. Yes, the cells are grown in a lab, but where do they get the original cells? An animal. We would still be taking for our own use. People will say it's less harmful but what happened to the idea of no harm? It's not vegan or plant based to me. I'll stick with homemade plant burgers or the premade options at the store tyvm.
Veganism has never been about no harm because that's impractical, but rather minimal harm. No matter what we eat, an animal has to die or suffer in some way until we have a fully hydroponic and cell culture food source.
Meat is disgusting! I personally will never eat lab grown meat. To me, it perpetuates the idea that animal flesh is meant to be eaten. And humans are not supposed to eat animal flesh.
I don't think it is useful to use lies and half-truths in the meat-free lifestyle discourse. I've been veggie for over 25 years and gawd ppl will make up stuff, starting with organisations like Peta. We are better than this. *There is no such thing as «not supposed to eat» in nature. Everything has nutriments and everything is edible. Not everything is poison free and easy to digest but life eats anything, that's how it works. We descend from small three top mammals that have been forced into a plants, fruits and small animals diet for a really long time -- hence the molar + raw/cooked meat argument -- but we are meat eaters since the very beginning of the homo genus. Even that our whole species (sapiens sapiens) came to be millions of years after other humans before us started cooking meat so, yeah, eating animal meat is incredibly a thing that homo sapiens do and are supposed to do. It's not because ppl mock us that we have to rewrite history! It still can be about the ethical treatment of animal, which is a fricking good reason in itself!!!
Humans can very well eat meat. We can eat all sorts of things, but I can't eat it. I just can't. It is like eating an animal and I can't. I think it is easier to grow plants and mushrooms and although that is not entirely "natural" either, it is still closer to what is natural.
It's not cruelty free. 1. Animal exploitation and cruelty is still needed for the collection of live cells. 2. Lab grown will never be the sole source of and buying it supports the demand for all meat
I would never criticise anyone for eating lab grown meat .... but I do believe it's healthier not to. Besides I'm not very fond of the taste of meat .... 😀
I'd never waste my money and would never feel a need to try it. The artery clogging saturated fat and cholesterol will still be there. I'm way more healthy and satisfied eating plants and remain confident I'm not exploiting helpless animals.
Do you think there should be different labels for it? It’s something I’ve been wondering if there should be a difference between ‘plant-based’ and ‘vegan’ as a lot of people who do it for health gives veganism a bad name when they revert back to meat or does that create more of a divide 🤔
@@lorah3005 but people go vegan because they think they’re going to get health benefits and then go ex-vegan and rant about how it’s so bad for you and it pisses me off
I have the same view as you with lab-grown animal products. It's definitely WAAAAY better than what we currently do. It may be a little healthier, but it'll still have all the wonderful diseases animal products provide. I'll still pass regardless as it does disgust me now.
I tried the Brave Robot ice cream, and it wrecked my digestive system. Unimaginable pain and weird aftertaste similar to dairy. I'm now hesitant to try similar products. While I agree with lab-grown meat's ethics, I'm not a fan of meat's taste, never was even as a child forced to eat it. Definitely looking forward to lab grown meat cat food instead! I do wonder though in the future when we do figure out how to grow cells from cells without a host anymore, if people will still divide themselves into ethical groups based on those who eat it vs those who don't, since to say veganism is completely devoid of moral superiority is to have never been in a vegan Facebook group. It will be fascinating to see, even though at the end of the day the animals still win in a scenario like that. I hope we keep progressing!
@@Angela22067 I know that this is true for lactose (a lot of people are or become lactose intolerant anyway), but does this also apply to casein and whey?
I haven't eaten meat in 14 years, and don't even care for impossible burgers, which everyone i know who's tried them and eats meat says are the most realistic. So, it's a no for me. This also sounds like a good way to create a new pandemic. I'd be curious to see the numbers on if this has any environmental benefits over real meat, since i imagine the lab takes quite a bit of energy. I think the place this wins over real meat in some ways is possibly less cruelty, and definitely less killing. So, no judgement on meat eaters who choose this route. All that being said, i would LOVE to see lab-grown leather.
No vegan "meat" can compare to lab grown meat when it comes to realism. There are a lot of people who like real burgers that can't do impossible burgers. This is for them!
since its grown in a sterile environment you wouldnt need to worry about the spread of diseases within it! that said if the sterile environment is ruined it could become an issue but with decent regulations and regular testing this would not be an issue :D theoretically it should be perfectly safe to eat without even cooking it, which is incredibly difficult to get safe, tho i know in germany for example certain raw chicken can be eaten. the environmental impacts of industrially farming animals as well as the cruelty really is unimaginable, and i couldnt imagine it could be worse for the environment. even if it was, which everything ive seen has been saying its significantly better, this would require next to no land usage which would let the currently exploited land for farming (most crops go towards feeding animals) be used for literally anything else and hopefully we could just let nature run its course in those areas :)
Foetal Bovine Serum causes prolonged extreme agony to both mother and unborn calf resulting in both of their eventual deaths. How that is vegan is beyond me. I love how you conveniently left that part out.
Thanks for posting this. I had no idea how this was produced. Here is part of a paragraph that describes the process: "It [Fetal bovine serum] is harvested from bovine fetuses taken from pregnant cows during slaughter. FBS is commonly harvested by means of a cardiac puncture without any form of anaesthesia." Ugh! Definitely not anything I would want to consume.
It is an intriguing idea. Can't help but feel like getting cells to grow and multiply rapidly sounds a lot like well... a tumor. Whatever process they do to the artificial meat better not affect the cells in the gut...
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We all should support this, we know people won’t just wake up and choose to free animals so that’s one way we can save the animals. If people still want to stuff themselves with this meat is not my problem, if the animals are safe I’m cool with it.
Stop promoting nonsense just because you heard it from others. Nothing that comes from lab is without severe side effects. Especially cancer cells in lab meat.
I call BS on this whole process being sustainable and non invasive. As for the cell growing without needing a donner in my mind and from my understanding from chemistry. There comes a point where you'd get to an overused cell that then doesn't resemble the original cell. So for me this whole topic is a huge negative. I've been Vegan for the animals first then for health reasons. In all my 17 years I can honestly say I can live without mimicking meat dishes for ever. My biggest point with this topic is as humans I'm sad we continue to feel the need to play Creator/God. With this topic I'm thinking lab grown babies are not far off. Not including test tube babies.
Whenever we say "comes from an animal" in our explanation of something, that means it isn't vegan. All we need to do to find out if something is humane is to put our own species in their place and imagine another being doing to us what we're doing to the non-human animals. If an alien species was using us to extract our cells and create our flesh to consume, shouldn't we feel a little uncomfortable with that? These animals are here with us, not for us to use in any way. Ethical veganism is not just about avoiding harm to sentient beings, it's about avoiding the use of someone else's body because they deserve their own bodily autonomy, we should have no rights over them and we should only touch them to help and care for them. Every sentient life should only belong to themselves and be able to live their life without their negative rights being taken from them (a negative right is a right not to be subjected to an action of another person or group). This is how we maximize compassion and minimize harm. There are ways that we will be imperfect at not harming others, like crop deaths, taxes that help pay for subsidies in animal ag, stepping on bugs just by going outside your house, etc. But if we can choose not to start something like eating lab flesh or secretions from an animal in the first place, that's the ethical and vegan thing to do. Even if they don't need to take anything from the animal anymore eventually, it's still just creepy to want to live in a world where people are eating flesh of beings who never existed rather than getting to the root of the problem, the oppression that we've done. We wouldn't resolve a lot of the world's problems with lab grown meat, we'd only solve the "product" problem, not the thing that's gone wrong in our heads when we first decided to make a business off other animals' backs rather than learning more about edible plants like how to grow them, store them, prepare them and flavour them.
But what about for sanctuaries and until we close them, zoos? There are snakes, gators, crocs, big cats, marine animals, birds, all needing foods that are now coming from slaughter, and breeding more for slaughter, is naturally what happens. There are also companion animals, like Cats. Until we stop breeding or allowing the breeding of our companions, the number of them needing homes necessitates the having of them in our care.
IMPORTANT CORRECTION (cause ive seen some vegans say this info incorrectly, its not sourced from animals and its also not exactly frankenfood either)- Brave Robot is NOT lab grown dairy. It is NON-ANIMAL SOURCED and they source their cells from fungal microflora. But their result is EXACTLY LIKE dairy proteins. It has ZERO cholesterol and animal fat. Its a process they call precision fermentation and its not technically genetically modified. They said its more like they direct the cells/flora/etc to go in certain directions. Their microflora source is:
"The specific organism we use is a multicellular, filamentous fungus, which means it has a branching structure that enables it to rapidly expand into its environment and capture any available resources using those prolific digestive enzymes." filamentous fungus is a terrestrial/soil fungus.
Another statement: "You could think of microflora as the agricultural animals of tomorrow. Except they’re not animals at all! If a fungus is “the new cow” for making dairy, then it’s a really, really small cow, with no body, mind, or nervous system."
Read more about it here: perfectday.com/blog/meet-the-flora/
Ive had a lot of Brave Robot flavors and theyre even BETTER than what I remember dairy tasting like. Cant wait to see CHEESE come out next from this process. Plants and this fungal microflora are amazing, so cool!
Goated comment of clarification, well done. An important distinction to be sure, I hope EdgyVeg sees this!
@@WatchDoggyDog 🙏🏻 thanks! I hope she does too.
It seems like Brave Robot's parent company Urgent was bought by a large food technology corporation Superlatus last year. I've also seen Brave Robot vanish from store shelves, and their website is gone. So is the website for Coolhaus, their sister company owned by Urgent; they made vegan ice cream sandwiches sold in Whole Foods. I suspect those events are related. I hope they are not all shut down, but that's what it seems like right now.
I did MULTIPLE projects on this from 2017-2020 in college. Lab grown meat is the future. Will I eat it? No. But by god SUPPORT it. If meat eaters aren't willing to change, this is the next best thing!
As a WF omni., I'm not willing to change from 'pasture raised' to 'lab grown'. V nonsense isn't my game.
@@Unmasking_ViandalismeWell then you're just a horrible person with messed up morals...knowingly supporting death and suffering (as well as environmental destruction and anti biotic resistance in humans) over an even healthier and safer option that ticks all the same boxes is just baffling and makes me question the level of cruelness in todays society🤥 this way of thinking disgusts me
@@Unmasking_Viandalisme Maybe look closer into your pasture grown Sentients' raising and 'production' processess. Vegan non sense is not my game either. But I am confused about whether or not you know what nonsense is.
@@Unmasking_ViandalismeChoke 🥳
It's carcinogenic. God forbid.
Lab grown meat is going to be very helpful for pet foods. I would probably try it just to say that i did, but i doubt it would become a staple for me.
This!!
Yes so good for feeding cats!
Interesting perspective. I can see the use of lab grown meat for pets.
I personally wouldn't eat it, because I don't see the added value of lab grown meat for my diet.
@jupiterwoman7265
Well, unless we ban breeding cats and dogs for the pet trade first.
My biggest issue with lab grown meat is how it's basically used as an excuse to not do your best now. It's like with fusion reactors, or biofuel. Where a problem is accepted as being real, but the supposed solution is conveniently in the future, meaning I can just keep going as I am until someone else fixes the issue for me.
Great point no doubt. I think this convenient solution is further off into the future than scientists predict as well. I mean it will likely remain suuuuuper expensive for a long time even when it does roll out. So i aint done yet preaching on how to please meatheadz, be vegan. The substitutes are hella good enough. Lol
Yes, but I lost hope in humanity long ago. Humans suck, but animals should not have to suffer and die because of humanity. We need to save them any way we can.
Unfortunately, there are millions if not billions of people who can basically give a f*** about animals and veganism so this might be the only option to save all the innocent beings.
One correction from a vegan who also studied biology :) Antibiotic resistance refers to the bacteria themselves becoming resistant to antibiotics due to the overuse of certain antibiotics. It does not refer to people becoming resistant to antibiotics. However, the fact still remains that bacteria are becoming more resistant to commonly used antibiotics, in part due to overuse in medicine, overuse in agriculture, etc.
Yeah, that is worse. It means that we, vegans, won't have effective antibiotics either, even though we did not contribute to ruining them.
You are glowing lately! I’m loving the hair color and warm style ❤
Not interested in it for me, but VERY interested in it for cat food
I dont miss meat and would probably feel weird eating it, but i would very much hope that people who refuse to eat vegan at least eat cultivated meat instead of actual animals.
It's not something I would be interested in eating, but as a cat owner, I would be interested in buying it for my pets. I would hope they could make it at a good price point, that would make meat eaters want to eat it. I think that if I did eat meat, I would be interested.
19 year vegan, here. Bring on the lab grown meat. I don't really want to eat meat, so I'll pass. But if we could get lab grown Brie, well that could be a different story! Brave Robot is AMAZING.
AMAZING.
After 16 years vegan, meat holds no appeal for me. I will not be eating lab grown meat regardless of the ethics. I fully support this as an option for people who choose it, especially the ones who would otherwise be eating standard meat.
Great discussion.👌 I would be 100% for all current flesh eaters switching lab grown meat. And if some vegans do eat lab grown meat i would be totally okay with that also.
YESSS! I've been saying this for yrs! I think it's the future. It will save animals, people from cancer and our planet! 🎉
The thing is… they are not just growing meat in the labs, they are also growing plats, veggies, fruits so not just meat eaters will eat lab grown food.
I like these chats.
Me too, very heartwarming and hopeful compared to the bleak present day meathead madness.. 🎉
100% for this to stop the suffering of billions of animals per year. But yeah, no, not eating it for the same reason you mentioned. I'm just not into the flavor of animal flesh or secretions after 22 years vegan. DEFINITELY would buy lab grown cat food!
The😺😸boys & me say "Scratch you!" & will continue to eat beef, poultry, fish.. while we may. The V kindergarten has no appeal.
Great take. I love the idea of this cultured meat being used for pet food, that's HUGE!!
I don’t think I would eat it either, but I support it. Anything to end or greatly reduce animal suffering! I have been grossed out by eating meat since I was a kid, but I would definitely eat the cheese if that becomes a thing.
Before going vegan i used to love shrimps so much. Lab grown meat woule gross me out so much but i would definitely eat lab grown shrimps
I support lab grown. Even though I have lost the taste for meat I will probably eat it sometimes just to help its adoption. Because you can be sure there will be vested interests who try and stop its adoption.
As someone in a relationship with someone who is very much NOT vegan, lab-grown meat will radically improve my life. Plus, it will allow me to feed my cats a vegan diet, something which is currently wildly unethical.
Why doesn't he eat plant-based meat now? What is his (or her) excuse?
@@barbaraibiel They have ARFID.
I mean I feel like it's almost "more vegan" than white sugar that is processed with cow's bone char. If you think about it. And a bunch of vegans eat that.
Trueee...hoping my bag of sugar is one of the "lucky ones" 😭😭
@@WatchDoggyDogI buy all my sugar organic at Aldi for cheap to make sure it’s vegan. I think it tastes better too
I will not would not consume it. It is not vegan. BUT, and yes I have a big but, It will be the best thing for sanctuaries and until we finally get rid of them, zoos, and for companion animals. Cats being able to eat the fleah of small mammals as they would, without harming another mammal, though it may still be considered exploitation. There was a pet food company called for the animals that was very close to releasing some cat foods but then they were bought out and I have no idea what has happened to that. That was at least 6 years ago.
I'm all for lab grown meats - if all "real meat" would be replaced by lab grown meat in the future, that would be a great improvement in reducing animal suffering.
Personally, I wouldn't use lab grown meat myself, as I don't eat meat not only for the ethical, but also health reasons, and lab grown meat, while probably healthier, would still have animal fats that aren't particularly good for you. And I no longer find the thought of eating meat particularly... palatable. It's been several years since I first shifted from eating meat to eating a vegetarian diet with the occasional addition of fish - and closing in on half a year eating a 95% plant based diet, with the very occasional food product with some dairy in it.
If it has anything to do with still exploiting animals I'm still staying away but go for it non vegans!
Very interesting question.
I think would at least try it. I don't know if I would like it after 35 years of not eating meat, but I'd be curious. If all the marketing info turns out to be true, this would have a significant impact on the world.
I worry about acceptance from the meat eating public though.
It would have to be much cheaper for people to buy it.
And the traditional meat industry will heavily influence the governments around the world against this.
Edit: also - cruelty free cheese? Now that is something I could totally see myself buying every once in a while.
Yes, the public would have to be forced by law, hopefully, democratically.
As someone who hasn't eaten meat and dairy for more than a decade, I totally support lab grown meat. I won't necessarily eat it because it does gross me out. But anything to diminish unethical and harmful practices is okay in my book!
I would not eat lab-grown meat, but if it means the end of factory farming and its massive cruelty to animals, then I'm for it for those who will never give up dead flesh.
Imagine you wouldn't have to do fake meats which I do like from time to time and you are not hurting an animal and that's the reason I am vegan. Another plus is if you have pets. Our pets are not mainly vegan so it would be perfect if you want to make your own pet food. Some pets, like dogs, can be plant based but some pets, like cats, may be more finicky, and harder to change their diet.
If i went and ate lab grown meat it be greatly limited Id also really would need to know the process. But rather be plantbased for 99% of the time.
I do , I dig it , keep doing these vids . Plus , more what I do in a day plus eat vids. Love the personal stuff .❤❤❤
I'm not interested in eating meat, so it wouldn't be for me. But I think it would be great for animals and I wouldn't be judgy against anyone who did consume it.
I have been vegan for 20+ years and I was counting the days until it was available, THEN a restaurant put chicken on my salad (I thought it was vegan chickn'- as they had both, but it looked really real, so I took a tiny piece and tasted it and knew IMMEDIATELY- it completely freaked me out- in a way I never imagined - so.... I think I am past the point that I can do it, but for the animals as well as environmentally it will be game changing,
I've been vegan for four years now (my veganniversary was just a couple days ago lol) and I'm right there with you - I don't think I could eat lab grown meat, especially because meat makes me really sick (bad cross contamination accident once... I was wretching before my brain figured out what was happening) but if it'll get meat eaters to stop enjoying the slaughtered pieces of sentient beings, then they can go for it.
Is it really still ethical if the animal is still being exploited? I personally say it's not.
You nailed it!! 100%!!!! I love how you put this! 💕💕💙💙🙌🙌
I enjoyed watching this and catching up on a few extra details, we gotta stay learnt on this topic. I agree, to me it's still vegan and hella important. I would buy and eat it, but I'll still support the fake meats like beyong and impossible too. No doubt those will remain the cheaper option, probably for forever.
I too would be keen for lab grown dairy products
I would try lab grown seafood only, because I actually enjoyed seafood. I’m all for lab grown meat general though!!
Doughlicious vegan ice cream from the UK is incredible. It's available at Whole Foods and Target.
I don't miss meat. So for me, no. If other people want it, good for them. But it is not vegan, and the ethics for the animals is questionsable, and the meat industry has a lot of money to keep this from happening.
Thank you for making this video.
Culturing cells would still make it an animal byproduct. So, it would more so be living-vegetarian than vegan as it comes from a living animal similar to eggs, honey, or dairy. For it to be vegan it would have to use no animal or animal byproducts.
Would have no correlation with the enslavement of the animals tho. It is its own thing.
@@matheus8530
It still wouldn’t be vegan as vegan contains no animals or animal byproducts, so it would be living-vegetarian possibly or just vegetarian as that can include animal byproducts, the living vegetarians would eat honey, egg, dairy and seeing as this is cultured cell flesh, it wouldn’t be possibly living vegetarian although some may look at it more along the animal broth type vegetarian. It’s not vegan though if it’s a byproduct of animals and it also wouldn’t be kosher as it doesn’t meet those guidelines either.
@@bluetinsel7099there are vegan versions that work without taking znything from any animals. It is still the beginning of thwt revolution but yes truly vegan lab grown meat is possible
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If cells have to be cultured it is still taking from animals. If it’s coming from animals that have come from cultures, it’s still coming from animals. There is already vegan meat, but people want to consume flesh so flesh is not vegan.
Lab grown meat doesn't appeal to me because as long it comes from an animal even without killing them it's still a form of animal exploition so it's not vegan under the ethical reasons for me. Another awesome video Candice and love 🥰 your channel.
I agree with you. I don't think I could do it
Why can't they take the cells from humans? Meat eaters often say how meat is bioavailable, well, wouldn't it be more bioavailable of it was from the same species? Heck, it could even be from the same human. I have heard of a company that is working on an appliance that would make it possible to do lab grown meat at home. So, everyone could just take a few cells from herself/himself and grow his/her own meat. (I am half joking.)
This is why I prefer Beyond over Impossible. The latter is just too realistic for me. It disgusts me from the smell and taste 🤢
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I used to be all for lab grown meat. However, I am still very skeptical of the people behind lab grown meat. We really don't know what really is going into it. We can take their word for it, and believe it is "clean" meat. But you can never be really sure unless you raise the animal yourself, and know what it's being fed. If I did go back to eating meat and dairy, I would go this route. However, I don't see that happening any time soon, so I'll just stick to my veggies and supplements for now lol. I don't even like to eat faux meat very often because you don't know what you're really getting.
You could be sure to some degree, we live in a world where every day people can send things off to independent labs for testing... granted most people wouldn't bother going through that process.
It is not meat and will be unhealthy. Just look to see how it is made and you will puke. Stick with Ralph and healthy meat. Meat is the healthiest food on earth.
Lab-grown meat is not for me, but back to the yummy goodness of plant-based food, Candace, have you tried huitlacoches? Pronounced Wheat-la-coe-chez, this fungi you may know from farmer's word for it, 'corn smut', has all the amino acids as meat does without the toxins our bodies can do without.
Yeah, I think it’s great for other people, I personally am a bit icked by the thought of eating meat in general. (I havent eaten it for…nearly 24 years now and yeah, I don’t think it’s for me) but if it saves billions of lives I see it as a net good.
Its a no from me, i dont miss meat so this is not an option for me. Also if made from animal cells/hurts the animal/experiment then definitely no for me personally. Im happy with my veggies❤ but its a better alternative for meat eaters for sure better than what we have available today .great video and you cover so many topics that others dont. Thank you for your content ❤😊
Italy and two states in the US banned it.
Yeah, florida being one of the states, for sure, but they will eventually change.
@@d.rabbitwhiteSo much for the U.S. being the land of the free.
I have no desk to eat meat lab grown or otherwise. The replication process does make me wonder how the mass production of the same cells over and over again, how the could mutate and possibly become sources of diseases. So I am not sure about the safety.
Desire* dumb autocorrect!
I feel like I would be ok with it being lab grown. It means that no animal is being harmed. And to me that’s the main goal, not I would not eat a lot of it because too much meat is still not good for you. But if it means that we don’t have to kill something to eat it then I would take that option over conventional meat. 😊
My feelings toward lab grown meat are very similar to yours, though I do feel more conflicted about it. I definitely wouldn't eat it myself, the thought of eating meat is disgusting to me. At the same time, I can recognize the good that it can cause and in particular I like the idea of it for pet foods, so that vegans (and everyone else) can feed their animal companions more humanely. However, the fact that there has to be a donor animal does not sit well with me because it's not like that animal can consent and as you pointed out the biopsy can cause pain. That animal is still being treated as a commodity, even if it isn't being mistreated and abused before being slaughtered at a young age as is the norm in animal agriculture. You get into a "do the ends justify the means" problem there and I simply don't know how I feel when the means are causing some pain and distress to a sentient being who cannot consent and the ends are saving thousands of innocent lives, including the life of the donor. I don't think it's moral to do that to the donor animal, but it's certainly more moral than animal agriculture.
Not sure about it. I read there's a lot of different oils and things put into the lab grown meat to give it flavor.
I wonder if it was human meat from donated human cells..? 🤔
The cells are harvested from human feces.
Fast growing cancer cells
@@anthonyman8008 surely that could be screened for? 🤷🏼
It is dangerous to eat the meat of one's own species thought. Populations that practices cannibalism tend to develop spongiform encephalopathy problems.
@@patmarcoux2880 do you have a source for this? 🙏🏼
Don't think I'll be trying out lab grown meat! Great video, very informational, thanks so much!
I would never eat this but think it could be a more ethical solution for pet food
Just out of curiosity... What do you feed your dog?
I think you are right that there are a lot of people not ready to give up meat. It would be nice if the majority of non-vegans at least switched to lab grown meat. But I can see how it might not be for vegans who have already grown comfortable and happy without meat.
As some one who has never been able to successfully transition to a vegan diet for any real length of time, i'm pretty passionate about wanting access to lab grown meat. But It's sad that it may never take off because it's a threat to the meat industry.
@ashleybland9392
What do you mean, they are not ready to give up meat? What do they need to do to get ready? And why haven't you been able to successfully transition to a vegan diet? Do you know that there are plant-based meats that taste just like meats from animals? I don't see any difference between plant-based meats and in vitro meats.
I personally would not eat it bc the animal is not consenting to the biospy (if I understanding the procedure correctly, if not someone please correct me) therefore I personally don't consider this vegan. BUT it will still REALLY minimize animal suffering and I am all for it for meat eaters and as many others stated, pets. This is definitely the more preferable option to what is happening now
Lab grown meat is fine (when it happens) I am a vegan but being as this isn't taking a life... it should be fine.
By meat, they mean lamb, cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys. So, my question is since the meat is grown in a lab, why they don't grow dogs, cats or even better human meat! 😊🤷♂️
Don't get me wrong, I am all in for lab meat, so that the meat-eaters can no longer harm/exploit animals and I am not sure if I will ever eat lab grown meat, but I am still wondering, why would we normalize eating meat from the usual animals that we are eating and not from other animals or humans. 😊
I agree 100%.
For those who insist lab-grown meat is vegan, why? It indisputably is animal flesh. The health risks associated with consumption of the product doesn’t change just because it is produced “sans l'animal”. Additionally, what are the environmental costs associated with producing. Is it cloning process? Does it require donor animals in perpetuity?
I am happy that the environment will benefit from the lab grown option. Animal fluids = hazardous waste. This’ll help the environment. Yay!
For me, I can eat alternatives since alternatives do not require suffering. I’m happy the suffering will eventually be minimal to zero. I hope I see it in my lifetime. However, I also have zero taste for meat. I find the smell alone repulsive.
Also, I have an allergy to animal proteins that led me to be plant-based and then vegan. I can’t consume it even if I wanted to.
I have actually had Brave Robot dairy-free ice cream. It's pretty good! But not the best.
Lab grown is good for meat eaters that will not give up meat, at least it seems that it would greatly reduce the number of animals slaughtered, less land needed for meat production. As a long term vegan, for moral and ethical reasons, I would not eat it. It still has all the negatives of meat (cholesterol, fat, etc.), so for that reason, it still is not the best for people. But, is better for the animals. Ranchers/farmers are gonna have a "cow" though!
Im not a vegan, sushi and cheese, but this looks very promising.
started eating less meat when I learned about the environment. then I learned about the abuse to animals.
this could change a lot for the better.
I dont think I will eat this just as I wont eat flower made from insects.
Will it still be a type 2 carcinogen?
They said they can remove parts like f.e. cholesterol from it.
And only *processed* meat is assessed as carcinogen by the WHO ( meat contains mainly protein, water and fat ... and also micronutrients iron, cinc, selen, vitamin A and B12 ... none of those ingredients are carcinogen ... but nitrite curing salt as a preservative def. is )
i don't see the point in eating lab grown meat for vegan people. we are already fine and pleased with the food we make. messing with lab grown meat will just ruin our taste buds, and then the stuff we are used to won't be good anymore.
I hope that this will become normal for petfood, I would never try it, but for my dog it would be amazing🐶
Keeping animals as pets is not normal. We need to phase that out.
@@barbaraibiel but in which way do dogs suffer from being a pet? I get your point, but I think for dogs and cats it's a little different than for reptiles, rodents and horses.
@@sunnygirl5467 Cats and dogs have all their basic rights violated: life (many are euthanized for no reason), liberty, bodily integrity (castration, tail docking, declawing, etc.) and self-determination. Mamy are kept in solitary confinement and never see another member of their species. They are told when to eat, go to the bathroom, sleep, etc. Many dogs are kept in crates for 8 hours a day when their owners are at work. Look at all those videos about cruelty to cats and dogs. I could go on and on.
First, would I eat it? No. The flesh certainly not. Like you, the cultured dairy stuff would be tempting. I might try it from grocery store bought items since labeling must be truthful.
I do not trust non vegan restaurants so I likely would not order a product from those places. But I’ve adjusted to the plantbased versions so no real desire to change it for me.
I do believe this is the future and all the knuckledraggers who are “banning” this significant breakthrough in improving this planet will change their tune as they see others have great success with it while they struggle. They will be the equivalent of those that fought to keep whale oil instead of adopting electricity. Footnotes to be mocked.
I think this is inevitable and cannot be stopped by knuckledraggers trying to cling on to the past.
This tech will end factory farming. I can’t help but laugh at those who try and fight this claiming “jobs lost” as the reason. People’s jobs only matter until the employer figures out how to make money without those people. Once the powers that be get a handle on cultured products and how cheap it will be to produce, the jobs will no longer matter. Right now the powers that be are scared and view this as a threat to them so they use government to delay things until they can get their gameplan together. Once they do, they will lead the charge into the cultured products and how future.
My recommendation to those who currently work in the animal exploitation industry, you’re about to become as relevant as elevator operators and vcr repairmen. Go find a real job.
i feel like it would be ethical for me but i find meat lowkey disgusting so i wouldnt eat it
Eating animal products in the modern age for your “survival” is like getting to work on horse.
Meat eaters will have to be forced by law to give up animal meat after lab grown meat is made available. They won't give up animal meat willingly, just like they have not done it so far when we have plant-based meats that taste just like animal meats. It seems to me that meat eaters want animals to suffer and die for them. Maybe it makes them feel important that someone suffered and died for them.
People still have issues with GMO veggies, which typically, only involve changing a few genes to make them more resistant to drought and pest. Not sure they'll embrace lab grown animal proteins. I won't. I'm not vegan, grew up on a farm, we treated our animals well but yes, we did slaughter them, with as little pain as possible. I think eating meat daily is a bad idea for health and the environment. I doubt lab meat will be all that healthier.
It's just not for me, I find the idea very gross. Yes, the cells are grown in a lab, but where do they get the original cells? An animal. We would still be taking for our own use. People will say it's less harmful but what happened to the idea of no harm? It's not vegan or plant based to me. I'll stick with homemade plant burgers or the premade options at the store tyvm.
but supporting it is important because this is definitely going to reduce the amount of animals killed.
Veganism has never been about no harm because that's impractical, but rather minimal harm. No matter what we eat, an animal has to die or suffer in some way until we have a fully hydroponic and cell culture food source.
@@kazuhiramori1969 yeah but this means less suffering, I'm not a vegan but I'd never eat regular meat again.
Making several book recommendations both by the same author. "Being Vegan" and "The Vegan Source Book" by Joanne Stepaniak.
@@colleenkendallpeters1800 will check those out
Meat is disgusting! I personally will never eat lab grown meat. To me, it perpetuates the idea that animal flesh is meant to be eaten. And humans are not supposed to eat animal flesh.
I don't think it is useful to use lies and half-truths in the meat-free lifestyle discourse. I've been veggie for over 25 years and gawd ppl will make up stuff, starting with organisations like Peta. We are better than this.
*There is no such thing as «not supposed to eat» in nature. Everything has nutriments and everything is edible. Not everything is poison free and easy to digest but life eats anything, that's how it works. We descend from small three top mammals that have been forced into a plants, fruits and small animals diet for a really long time -- hence the molar + raw/cooked meat argument -- but we are meat eaters since the very beginning of the homo genus. Even that our whole species (sapiens sapiens) came to be millions of years after other humans before us started cooking meat so, yeah, eating animal meat is incredibly a thing that homo sapiens do and are supposed to do. It's not because ppl mock us that we have to rewrite history! It still can be about the ethical treatment of animal, which is a fricking good reason in itself!!!
Humans can very well eat meat. We can eat all sorts of things, but I can't eat it. I just can't. It is like eating an animal and I can't. I think it is easier to grow plants and mushrooms and although that is not entirely "natural" either, it is still closer to what is natural.
'humans are not supposed to eat animal flesh'. Tell me more. Is your statement based upon ideology or physiology?
I don’t know why people are so confused by this idea we thrive best on a herbivore diet like some of our closest relatives.
It's not cruelty free. 1. Animal exploitation and cruelty is still needed for the collection of live cells. 2. Lab grown will never be the sole source of and buying it supports the demand for all meat
I would never criticise anyone for eating lab grown meat .... but I do believe it's healthier not to. Besides I'm not very fond of the taste of meat .... 😀
You're a lunatic
You're a lunatic
I’ve tried the ice cream you mentioned it’s nasty
Even if it's grown in a lab it is still not healthy for you. I'm just going to stick to Whole Foods Plant Based.
Non vegan meat eater here. I will 100% consume and purchase lab grown meat and wish I could access it sooner!
I'd never waste my money and would never feel a need to try it. The artery clogging saturated fat and cholesterol will still be there. I'm way more healthy and satisfied eating plants and remain confident I'm not exploiting helpless animals.
Actually they can remove that fat while culturing the meat.
👍 Whole food plant based for the environment and health; vegan for the victims!
*Ask your city government to sign the Plant Based Treaty!* 🖖
Do you think there should be different labels for it? It’s something I’ve been wondering if there should be a difference between ‘plant-based’ and ‘vegan’ as a lot of people who do it for health gives veganism a bad name when they revert back to meat or does that create more of a divide 🤔
@@fluffy9055 The distinction already exists because veganism is not a diet but an ethical stance.
@@lorah3005 but people go vegan because they think they’re going to get health benefits and then go ex-vegan and rant about how it’s so bad for you and it pisses me off
I have the same view as you with lab-grown animal products. It's definitely WAAAAY better than what we currently do. It may be a little healthier, but it'll still have all the wonderful diseases animal products provide. I'll still pass regardless as it does disgust me now.
No
I tried the Brave Robot ice cream, and it wrecked my digestive system. Unimaginable pain and weird aftertaste similar to dairy. I'm now hesitant to try similar products. While I agree with lab-grown meat's ethics, I'm not a fan of meat's taste, never was even as a child forced to eat it. Definitely looking forward to lab grown meat cat food instead! I do wonder though in the future when we do figure out how to grow cells from cells without a host anymore, if people will still divide themselves into ethical groups based on those who eat it vs those who don't, since to say veganism is completely devoid of moral superiority is to have never been in a vegan Facebook group. It will be fascinating to see, even though at the end of the day the animals still win in a scenario like that. I hope we keep progressing!
If you haven’t eaten dairy for a while, your body will stop producing the enzymes to digest it. The same deal goes for meat.
@@Angela22067 I know that this is true for lactose (a lot of people are or become lactose intolerant anyway), but does this also apply to casein and whey?
Ur shirt pattern looks like a ground beef 🥩 if u squint lol
Lab grown meat? No.
Gross.
you’re so right candace!! literally they don’t have a good argument like if you can avoid an animal being hurt why do it.
I haven't eaten meat in 14 years, and don't even care for impossible burgers, which everyone i know who's tried them and eats meat says are the most realistic. So, it's a no for me. This also sounds like a good way to create a new pandemic. I'd be curious to see the numbers on if this has any environmental benefits over real meat, since i imagine the lab takes quite a bit of energy. I think the place this wins over real meat in some ways is possibly less cruelty, and definitely less killing. So, no judgement on meat eaters who choose this route. All that being said, i would LOVE to see lab-grown leather.
No vegan "meat" can compare to lab grown meat when it comes to realism. There are a lot of people who like real burgers that can't do impossible burgers. This is for them!
since its grown in a sterile environment you wouldnt need to worry about the spread of diseases within it! that said if the sterile environment is ruined it could become an issue but with decent regulations and regular testing this would not be an issue :D theoretically it should be perfectly safe to eat without even cooking it, which is incredibly difficult to get safe, tho i know in germany for example certain raw chicken can be eaten. the environmental impacts of industrially farming animals as well as the cruelty really is unimaginable, and i couldnt imagine it could be worse for the environment. even if it was, which everything ive seen has been saying its significantly better, this would require next to no land usage which would let the currently exploited land for farming (most crops go towards feeding animals) be used for literally anything else and hopefully we could just let nature run its course in those areas :)
obviously not vegan then if you want to still eat meat 😂
Just another "meat" alternative.
Foetal Bovine Serum causes prolonged extreme agony to both mother and unborn calf resulting in both of their eventual deaths. How that is vegan is beyond me. I love how you conveniently left that part out.
Thanks for posting this. I had no idea how this was produced. Here is part of a paragraph that describes the process: "It [Fetal bovine serum] is harvested from bovine fetuses taken from pregnant cows during slaughter. FBS is commonly harvested by means of a cardiac puncture without any form of anaesthesia." Ugh! Definitely not anything I would want to consume.
@Its_me--Boo_Radley people are being tricked by yet more animal agriculture its terrifying ❤
This is old news. They have new tech that replaced FBS because they couldn't scale with it for it's very high price and ethical issues.
It is an intriguing idea. Can't help but feel like getting cells to grow and multiply rapidly sounds a lot like well... a tumor. Whatever process they do to the artificial meat better not affect the cells in the gut...
Goatis aka Sv3rige aka Syringe is wanted by the police for attempted murder of his ex-girlfriend and baby. Just TH-cam his name and "Luna", many things will come out. He also had a hair transplant. If you mention any of these under his videos, he will block you. So you should make a response video.
We all should support this, we know people won’t just wake up and choose to free animals so that’s one way we can save the animals. If people still want to stuff themselves with this meat is not my problem, if the animals are safe I’m cool with it.
Lab grown meat is the future of food.
Stop promoting nonsense just because you heard it from others. Nothing that comes from lab is without severe side effects. Especially cancer cells in lab meat.
I call BS on this whole process being sustainable and non invasive. As for the cell growing without needing a donner in my mind and from my understanding from chemistry. There comes a point where you'd get to an overused cell that then doesn't resemble the original cell. So for me this whole topic is a huge negative. I've been Vegan for the animals first then for health reasons. In all my 17 years I can honestly say I can live without mimicking meat dishes for ever. My biggest point with this topic is as humans I'm sad we continue to feel the need to play Creator/God. With this topic I'm thinking lab grown babies are not far off. Not including test tube babies.
Whenever we say "comes from an animal" in our explanation of something, that means it isn't vegan. All we need to do to find out if something is humane is to put our own species in their place and imagine another being doing to us what we're doing to the non-human animals. If an alien species was using us to extract our cells and create our flesh to consume, shouldn't we feel a little uncomfortable with that? These animals are here with us, not for us to use in any way. Ethical veganism is not just about avoiding harm to sentient beings, it's about avoiding the use of someone else's body because they deserve their own bodily autonomy, we should have no rights over them and we should only touch them to help and care for them. Every sentient life should only belong to themselves and be able to live their life without their negative rights being taken from them (a negative right is a right not to be subjected to an action of another person or group). This is how we maximize compassion and minimize harm. There are ways that we will be imperfect at not harming others, like crop deaths, taxes that help pay for subsidies in animal ag, stepping on bugs just by going outside your house, etc. But if we can choose not to start something like eating lab flesh or secretions from an animal in the first place, that's the ethical and vegan thing to do. Even if they don't need to take anything from the animal anymore eventually, it's still just creepy to want to live in a world where people are eating flesh of beings who never existed rather than getting to the root of the problem, the oppression that we've done. We wouldn't resolve a lot of the world's problems with lab grown meat, we'd only solve the "product" problem, not the thing that's gone wrong in our heads when we first decided to make a business off other animals' backs rather than learning more about edible plants like how to grow them, store them, prepare them and flavour them.
But what about for sanctuaries and until we close them, zoos? There are snakes, gators, crocs, big cats, marine animals, birds, all needing foods that are now coming from slaughter, and breeding more for slaughter, is naturally what happens. There are also companion animals, like Cats. Until we stop breeding or allowing the breeding of our companions, the number of them needing homes necessitates the having of them in our care.