WOW, that was so great! You two need to get together and collaborate on a video working together on a set of forks, shock or whatever. The integrity, passion and knowledge you both have with your work is so apparent I would trust either of you fully with my bike.
Only half way through this and this has been such a great source of intel. I ride socal desert on a 17 350 XCF and a 2020 Beta 500 so this is great intel on how to adjust and trial/error my suspension.
This was a great listen. I use DDC components and a Blud oil user as well as SKF. I try to change my fork oil every 50 or so. Seals and bushing every second oil change so 100 hrs give or take
Great chat fellas lots of knowledge being passed around here really enjoyed this but definitely do another course I mean take in what you can take in at 500 bucks that’s well worth it in my opinion!! Looking forward too seeing more content!!
Great discussion! Listened to the whole thing 😊 In your experience, do you have guys finding the Luckys lacking anywhere in offroad riding/racing situations where a closed cartridge like a 6500 or Raven or KYB would be preferable?
Chuck , finished watching the pod cast last night , could you comment on the the effects of heavy weight tires and ultra heavy tubes on suspension ability to deliver a decent ride. Thanks.
I almost never interact with this concern, but essentially what you’re referring to “unsprung weight” & “rotating mass.” Rotating mass causes a gyro effect once speed picks up (which affects handling) and unsprung weight is technically uncontrolled weight. In a “hard enduro” application both of these issues are almost non-existent because speeds are so slow. Heavy tire setups are great for traction at low speeds. I expect Geoff has a lot more to say on the topic. I’ll see if I can prompt him to chime in.
@@ChuckfromTrueTech Thanks for the reply Chuck, the rotating mass effect is not a biggie ,I'm not that quick to care ,but the bikes reaction to braking and acceleration bumps and of course Calabogie style rock gardens can be BRUTAL.
Hey James, I agree with Chuck. The positives so far outweigh the negatives of running a mousse insert. Increased traction and peace of mind knowing you won’t dnf due to a flat. But, the negatives are unarguable. Anytime you increase unsprung mass you decrease the efficiency of a fork or shock. Unsprung mass increases the force required to slow and change velocity/direction of the main piston/damping rod. So the more unsprung mass, the harder it is to keep the wheel on the ground. The less unsprung weight, the more efficient your suspension is.
WP xplor is a better fork (spring) to the xact(air)...which is as I understand being discontinued.... would it be good to hear your opinion and experiences with setup for this Fork as I'm not prepared to dish out for a cone valve system or a new front fork setup
I personally like the Xplor over the AER as well but that’s mainly because it’s easier to modify. The Xplor is great for novice or less aggressive vet riders but anyone more aggressive will overwhelm the valving capacity. In my opinion the best way to solve the Xplor problems is with a Lucky kit.
WOW, that was so great! You two need to get together and collaborate on a video working together on a set of forks, shock or whatever. The integrity, passion and knowledge you both have with your work is so apparent I would trust either of you fully with my bike.
I agree with previous comment... probably the most educational suspension video I've seen. Thank you
Yes! Thanks for uploading, love this conversation. Cheers to the both of you.
Great to see people getting together to improve us a person and improve the quality of the business.
Great video and lot info
Thank you!!!
Yes this usually happens when both parties are confident in their own abilities and are emotionally mature.
I'm only 50 minutes in and this is great stuff Thanks boys!!!
Best podcast I've heard in a while.
So much good info. Thanks!!
Thanks for offering this conversation to us!
Really enjoyed this open dialogue. I learned a lot and had a few a-hah! moments. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Geoff and Chuck!
Many thanks!! ❤❤❤❤
Only half way through this and this has been such a great source of intel. I ride socal desert on a 17 350 XCF and a 2020 Beta 500 so this is great intel on how to adjust and trial/error my suspension.
This was a great listen. I use DDC components and a Blud oil user as well as SKF. I try to change my fork oil every 50 or so. Seals and bushing every second oil change so 100 hrs give or take
That’s awesome! Servicing your stuff will keep everything functioning happily for years to come! 🤗
I’m 2 minutes in and already love this ❤you guys are amazing to share your information to the open world
A masterclass! thanks for letting us listen in - sooooo many myths busted!
Good content. Nice to see shops working together
Thanks. A lot of learning opportunity for me in this conversation.
Great convo. Thanks.
Great chat fellas lots of knowledge being passed around here really enjoyed this but definitely do another course I mean take in what you can take in at 500 bucks that’s well worth it in my opinion!! Looking forward too seeing more content!!
Great discussion! Listened to the whole thing 😊
In your experience, do you have guys finding the Luckys lacking anywhere in offroad riding/racing situations where a closed cartridge like a 6500 or Raven or KYB would be preferable?
In the Kamloops area I haven’t encountered anyone who can outride the Luckies. There might be someone, but it would be extremely rare.
Chuck , finished watching the pod cast last night , could you comment on the the effects of heavy weight tires and ultra heavy tubes on suspension ability to deliver a decent ride. Thanks.
I almost never interact with this concern, but essentially what you’re referring to “unsprung weight” & “rotating mass.”
Rotating mass causes a gyro effect once speed picks up (which affects handling) and unsprung weight is technically uncontrolled weight.
In a “hard enduro” application both of these issues are almost non-existent because speeds are so slow. Heavy tire setups are great for traction at low speeds.
I expect Geoff has a lot more to say on the topic. I’ll see if I can prompt him to chime in.
@@ChuckfromTrueTech Thanks for the reply Chuck, the rotating mass effect is not a biggie ,I'm not that quick to care ,but the bikes reaction to braking and acceleration bumps and of course Calabogie style rock gardens can be BRUTAL.
Hey James,
I agree with Chuck. The positives so far outweigh the negatives of running a mousse insert. Increased traction and peace of mind knowing you won’t dnf due to a flat.
But, the negatives are unarguable. Anytime you increase unsprung mass you decrease the efficiency of a fork or shock. Unsprung mass increases the force required to slow and change velocity/direction of the main piston/damping rod. So the more unsprung mass, the harder it is to keep the wheel on the ground. The less unsprung weight, the more efficient your suspension is.
WP xplor is a better fork (spring) to the xact(air)...which is as I understand being discontinued.... would it be good to hear your opinion and experiences with setup for this Fork as I'm not prepared to dish out for a cone valve system or a new front fork setup
I personally like the Xplor over the AER as well but that’s mainly because it’s easier to modify. The Xplor is great for novice or less aggressive vet riders but anyone more aggressive will overwhelm the valving capacity. In my opinion the best way to solve the Xplor problems is with a Lucky kit.
1:41:02 😭😭😭😭😭 IM DYING hahhahahahahaha
How often is it they just need some lessons