For me, emulators are a way to relive games I wasn’t even around to play. Plus a lot of old games are just so good, they’re complete, classic, and wonderful. Plus it’s pure nostalgia to go back and just see the games that were at one time, the next generation. Always amazing to see
@@SlyRyFry Having them available is atleast better than what most companies are doing. You being too cheap to pay for them doesn't constitute a valid reason to emulate. That's just coping at it's finest. Go ahead and emulate, I don't care. Just don't hide behind the fact that you don't want to pay. "If only the gas station didn't charge money for their snickers bars, then I wouldn't have to use the 5 finger discount."
@@colinbeckstrand2612 Assumption at its finest. The problem isn't paying for them, I still have ps+ other reasons. Just like lord Gaben says "One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue." In my case the sentiment couldn't ring anymore true. The analogy with the snickers bar is cute and all but it has little to no relevance with the issue I have with streaming classic games. It's a quality issue, it'd be more like if they could beam a snickers into your car but its missing textures, low fps, and has laggy inputs, BUT you can't even go into the store to get a real one. That's all they offer now. So I go home, look up the recipe and make it work. Because I'm not gonna take a lower quality product just because the company decides it's worth it. Bowing down to these mega corporations for doing/being stupid is just cringe. If they offered what I wanted I'd buy it, but they don't.
The funny thing is that in your library on the Nintendo Switch, your digital games are literally labeled as "software". Bullshit they aren't "software". Nintendo literally calls it "software". :(
The leg that nintendo really had to stand on was when they locked some of the games behind a patron exclusive tier. Meaning they lost their protection of being a free service.
But adding features to your emulator actually isn't illegal either. It works as an alternative system to play the game... which is legal. The issue is that they are being blamed for the piracy.... which is stupid...
@TheDeathmail The issue is, emulators really have merit for two things: archival or piracy. If you begin to make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, offer an online service, and support playing games that haven't even been released yet you lose all merit as an archival tool. Plus, even if Yuzu weren't directly responsible for piracy, they were knowingly facilitating piracy on their platform and even encouraging it by launching competing features (like Yuzu online) and supporting games which aren't out yet, making them liable for some of the damages Nintendo faced.
There's legal precedent for commercial emulators, Bleem and Virtual Gamestation were both commercial products. It seems like the Yuzu devs had been promoting piracy explicitly, sharing ROMs on their Discord, and that's why they folded so quickly.
@@TheDeathmail So Yuzu did a bunch of really dumb stuff including sharing roms of unreleased games in their discord, and the emulator updates to support TotK that were locked behind their patreon were released before the TotK release date which is a pretty solid way to show that they were genuinely profiting from piracy. Theres a reason the Yuzu team didn't even try to fight it, what they did was pretty blatantly illegal and that's without Nintendo even having to make a case for the legal status of emulators.
Nothing blocked the game from working in the regular release of the game. They just had a newer version you could access more easily if you supported their Petreon. Nothing illegal there. They also never shared game files. Some people in the Yuzu discord did, but it was against the server's rules.
Okay but lets be real. The biggest reason, and why yuzu likely didnt fight it. Was because they were making money and gating unofficial patches behind that payroll, right? Thats like the 1 thing every rom and emulator maker know not to do
Oh buddy it was more than that. Remember, for specific games to run correctly on an emulator, that game has to be debugged on said emulator, which takes time, could take a week or could take a month. Considering that, how did Tropical Haze, the Yuzu devs, get these games running on Yuzu days in advanced? They had ROMs well before they should have, which is illegal. It was also multiple games, Nintendo even has screen shots of them admitting one of their goals is to get games running before or day of the game's release. Then you can throw in them making money off of it, and you got yourself a guilty party.
@@Tkscz i mean if im being real, while that is 100% illegal afaik. If they werent making money, i wouldnt care as much. But thats 100% just me. But yeah its like the GOLDEN rule of this sort of area, especially jf you're doing obviously illegal shit like early release or unofficial patches, is Dont gate it behind smth. Thats like page 1 sentence 1 of the nonexistant rulebook. But shrug oh well.
I just wish backing up games was as easy as ripping a cd, when you require a hacked 20 year old piece of hardware to do it for some systems it's just a ridiculous amount of work.
Some games really are as easy as that. PlayStation 1 and PlayStation 2 games can be backed up by a simple cd rom drive which many people still have, and free software. Unfortunately other systems aren't quite as simple, or affordable. I have ripped my Gameboy games (and saves), but it cost money for the cartridge dumper.
Thanks to this Aussie legend creator called Bennvenn, I managed to get a device to transfer my complete Pokémon Yellow safe file to my computer. My precious Genwunners are safe!
The biggest problem was yuzu profiting from it by putting features behind a paywall, they shot themselves in the foot along with the rest of emulation and gave nintendo the easiest case of their lives
But adding features to your emulator actually isn't illegal either. It works as an alternative system to play the game... which is legal. The issue is that they are being blamed for the piracy.... which is stupid...
Supporting your own product with better features and paywalling them is NOT a reason to get shutdown. Yuzu was blamed for piracy and maybe that happened. People wanted Yuzu and continued supporting it because it had better features and significantly greater USER EXPERIENCE. The fact that they folded because of random Nintendo screeching just puts a spotlight on the emulator community in general. Just wait until the day we go full hardware abstraction and cut out Nintendo hardware because it fails expectations. TotK at 60FPS? Not on Switch.
Personally as long as you don't take sales from Nintendo and make sure you give the credit and make sure they got some of the money because they made the game because if you just take free games it is very bad because then Nintendo get no money and in fact loses money and then they go broke.
Bob this is a great take but let’s be real people are not ripping shit they own. I’d love to do it but never have. That said I only emulate extremely hard to play games that are prohibitively expensive or on weird consoles. Sadly, the norm is people pirating large collections of games. Yuzu emulating “current” gen was bound to get them in shit.
Exactly 👆like at least wait for the next gen to come out before doing stuff like this as this way you can better use the archival excuse. Or even better yet wait until the console is no longer officially supported so then you are less likely to be sued over lost profits. I’m pretty sure h shop is still around because of this reason
I believe in the UK we can't even legally back up our own bought software, which honestly really sucks when there's a cartridge or disc failure after many years of ownership
Anyone remember the cringe piracy ads that a lot of movies had that did absolutely nothing, and hollywood box offices acted like they were hurting from it even though they are all multi millionaires
If Yuzu didn't release those patches for PAID PATRONS that optimize emulation of Tears of The Kingdom BEFORE RELEASE Nintendo's case would be MUCH MUCH WEAKER and even though i wholeheartedly agree with your point and will zealously defend emulation, Yuzu did this to themselves this time. Still got Ryujinx i guess, cause they didn't optimize leaked piracy
Actually piracy is good. "Legal" copies of some games run for hundreds of dollars. Piracy is ethical and good and best way to preserve media and make them accessible to people.
@@skycloud4802Nintendo's actions lead to this black market thriving when they intentionally and arbitrarily make their older games inaccessible. Nintendo could have one online marketplace for all their old games and could easily port most of their titles to newer consoles. They choose not to so they can sell you a subscription.
@@sablesalt Dude they're supporting piracy, they were saying that the money doesn't even go to nintendo when people buy the real copies from collectors, so why not pirate
The argument Im sure nintendo would make is that even if a game is no longer available for sale, they would want to potentially sell the game again in the future and thus piracy actually hurts their potential sales on future ports.
I bought a steam deck oled and I’ve recently been using it a lot for emulation it’s so easy to set up emulators. I’ve recently been playing a lot of PlayStation games on it like silent hill 2 etc I love emulation
My Pkmn Silver's Club Nintendo event's Celebi got Thanosed by a dead battery, unfortunately there wasn't any way (that I know) to backup my game +15 years ago. The file was probably lost years before anyways...
The sad thing is the only reason I ever got a switch was because I had an emulator and played switch games and I liked it so much I got the switch. I'm sure I'm not the only one. When it comes to game systems they are so expensive so if I don't know that I'm going to like it, I'm not going to waste money on it.
@WULFF DEN: You said that it is easy to rip the Rom yourself, that is incorrect for people that does not have does tool bought in the first place. Right now the only cartridge that I would need to back-up are GBA game, and buying a cartridge reader that would connect to my current laptop. And that would cause too mush, plus if it is only avaiable with including more then just the GBA cartridge reader, to prevent leaving the other slot never being used, it might force me to buy NES game, SNES and so on and the one that are really hard to find will cost way too mush.
another thing I heard was that ryujinx was able to run totk as well. difference is ryujinx was just a better emulator hence it can run it while yuzu actively pushed updates that allowed yuzu to run totk so basically encouraging it
If u give me the choice between 720p barely 30fps and 4k stable 60fps, I do the choice fast, also, being able to test if the game works a few day before streamming it on the release date is incredibly important
Wow a way where you can experience the game in its best format without having to fork over 50 bucks every month for a non-drifting controller? Lets nuke it!
I wonder if you have seen moon channel’s video on the whole situation because after watching the video. it shows that Nintendo was laying legal groundwork against emulation and if this went to court, I’m sure things would’ve been worse for emulation
Let's be real, so many people use emulation for piracy that at this point it's impossible to separate the 2. Most people are not ripping their own games for emulation. If we want people to let up on emulation, we gotta get real about these things.
When you purchase the game, you own that game. You can copy and give it to as many people as you would like as long as you aren't selling them they cant do sht. Why do you think games have switched to a model that needs to be online, or some are completely digital its so that you cant do that anymore.
It would be so crazy if there was a online marketplace that lets you download digital versions of Nintendo games if you own the physical media. Nintendo: "money."
Nintendo made steps, after they found out, Yuzu makers are making Discord server, where they spreeaded a subscription model, what was let people to reach many warez contents what was originaly belongs to Nintendo. They made a good profit from this, this is why Nintendo sued them and made an agreement later IMO.
if i had the ability to play nintendo games on my computer without having to use an emulator, i wouldnt pirate them. love nintendo games, not big on the consoles
I'm just going to say what all youtubers are too 👧 to admit. I support piracy and I don't care what nintendo or any other company has to say about it. The r4 cart was gods blessing apon this world and to this day I still try games on emulators before buying them.
You have the right to backup digital content you legally bought as long as the means used to create the backup doesn't circumvent copy protection. You can't sell or distribute it. It also applies to other content besides software like CDs and movies.
The problem however is when the copy protection prevents you from legally backing up the software in the first place. We really need to rewrite some of these laws.
If companies sell a real, high quality, truly ownable copy of their whatEVER the fuck, people will buy it. Buying is easier. But they don’t do that, so people pirate and emulate and record. To this day I highly recommend that you print, rip, backup things that you like, because these days it can be wiped from existence whether you paid for it or not.
If they made gameboy games again, we wouldn't have the ridiculous scalper prices people stamp on GBA games, don't know why they won't just port all the GBA games to the Switch
@@tumultuousv you mean to tel me you personally wouldn’t be pissed that some emulator developed by a small team played your software better than your own hardware you spent YEARS developing?
@@jat9926a legal team wouldn't care, Nintendo have always been anti any circumventing of their rules. See the vast amount of law suits during the DS era for flash carts in many international courts
@@jat9926 tbf the pc is way more powerful so it should run games better then the switch. if they managed to get the game running better on a switch then nintendo then yeah be pissed. but that will never happen.
If Nintendo don't want us to emulate their games because they run better on PC, they should abandon their almost 8 years old console and actually make a good one this time that can run games in at least 1080p and 60fps.
Most of Nintendo's old games are not even legally available and none of the new ones are available where I live. Nintendo has killed so many of their own games and their availability. Emulation is the only way to play them unless people want to pay our per capita income for one game without the console. While all games are expensive in my country, nothing beats the sheer lack of supply Nintendo provides.
I know this Switch Emulator was ultimately taken down by Nintendo because the devs of the emulator were making money from the Emulator via Patreon. Currently I'm really into a fan game called Pokemon MMO and the devs are making money off the game via in game items and cosmetics and I'm afraid that Pokemon MMO will eventually get taken down by Nintendo or Game Freak 😢.
It didn't help that YUZU was making a ton of money on patrion and other donation sites. The TotK leak didn't help either. Emulating for games/console that are currently still being produced and sold new also didn't help this case.... However Nintendo needs to get it's act together, maybe drop a somewhat more expensive switch with some actual power behind it. If emulating a game is what it takes to make it playable, that's a huge problem on nintendo's end.
@@austintaylor5683 I think you can rip your game as backup and keep the original (in most countries laws), just like MP3 music tracks). But if you sold the original game or lent it out, then technically that's an unauthorized copy, a nd not purely for self backup/achive purposes. I'm not a lawyer or anything, that's just my general take on the just of it.
To say some people use yuzu because it runs better than switch it's not honest. Obviously the reason is piracy. Emulation isn't always piracy, because indie Devs might test their games through emulation. However, this is probably less than 1% of the overall cases
"People wouldn't choose to run a more functional version of a game" is genuinely something you just claimed bro, you also need a switch in order to emulate dawg 💀
I also don't like the "emulation is piracy" thing. Nintendo's virtual consoles were literally just emulators. Old games that have been re released are most likely using emulation to do so. The Playstation 3 has emulation built right into it. So no, emulation doesn't equal piracy. If emulation is piracy, then Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony are, at best, complete hypocrites.
People who download roms are because they do not have the financial capacity to buy games that simple, whether you understand it or not, getting roms and configuring emulators is very tedious, believe me, whoever does it is because they have no other choice.
Preservation of your own legally purchased games is fine and even emulating them is fine with me. It’s when people take brand new games or not even released games and sharing it around that it’s just not okay. I don’t care if the game runs better on emulation, if you are playing a stolen copy you are a piece of crap and doing something illegal.
Nintendo do not care about the ethics and preservation of emulation, i did the same with all my games due to space and accessibility but nintendo will not see it that way, just the way it is LOL
Ah hell nah. If you think the devs didn't work MAGIC to make Totk run as well as they could on the switch then you're just goofy. Compare that game to Pokemon scarlet and violet and you'll see that the devs are the ONLY ones who should get praise. Don't be goofy
@@mianunya7607 Well, TotK is well optimized. If you want to blame someone, blame either the power of the console it runs on or the scope of the game. As far as optimization goes, they did a pretty good job
@@ddnava96 why would anyone blame the capabilities of the console? The devs KNEW the spec of the switch, and then proceeded to make a game that stutter despite their prior knowledge. It's 100% of the devs
That's like suggesting all road drivers are guilty of speeding. Yeah sure some or even most do it, but you can't blanket all drivers as shady. Same with emulation.
Nah, emulation is mostly used for piracy and that's OK. I pirate all the games I can and won't stop doing it. I mostly play retro games (as in not current generation) and will not pay a ridiculous amount of cash for a used-ass game. The developers won't see any of that money, and they already made their profit on them. A crime without victims? I don't know, and I don't care, I won't try to rationalize it, but won't overreact as if we were talking about murder either.
I've been trying to figure it out but can't find an answer anywhere. Maybe someone here knows? I'm trying to figure out if the battery save is also a thing for GBA cartridges and if so, does it go for every cartridge?
GBA carts generally don't have battery saves, saves are usually stored on flash memory. I'm sure some carts have battery saves, but it's pretty uncommon IIRC. If a GBA cart does have a battery it's usually for something other than battery-backed memory, like a real-time clock (think Pokémon R/S/E) or a built in component (the gyroscope in Kirby Tilt 'n' Tumble). When the battery goes out those things stop working.
I honestly believe that current or last Gen evaluation is reasonably malicious, but towards the end of a game's shelf life just give the okay to use your copy how you want
No This point of view is wrong People are pirating. Stop trying to act like that isn't what's going on A niche backs up Over 90% of people emulating are pirating Stop the cap!
@@regis_c from you copy the game info & user it not as intended you're hacking illegally(I used emulators as a child in the 90s) there's nothing legal about emulators The technicality everyone is trying to explain is bs Emulators are used to copy & distribute games, not preserve; as was seen with the latest Zelda & others
For me, emulators are a way to relive games I wasn’t even around to play. Plus a lot of old games are just so good, they’re complete, classic, and wonderful.
Plus it’s pure nostalgia to go back and just see the games that were at one time, the next generation. Always amazing to see
If PlayStation would just let people download all the classics instead of using their streaming service I wouldn't need to emulate much
@@SlyRyFry Having them available is atleast better than what most companies are doing. You being too cheap to pay for them doesn't constitute a valid reason to emulate. That's just coping at it's finest. Go ahead and emulate, I don't care. Just don't hide behind the fact that you don't want to pay. "If only the gas station didn't charge money for their snickers bars, then I wouldn't have to use the 5 finger discount."
@@colinbeckstrand2612 Assumption at its finest. The problem isn't paying for them, I still have ps+ other reasons.
Just like lord Gaben says "One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue." In my case the sentiment couldn't ring anymore true.
The analogy with the snickers bar is cute and all but it has little to no relevance with the issue I have with streaming classic games. It's a quality issue, it'd be more like if they could beam a snickers into your car but its missing textures, low fps, and has laggy inputs, BUT you can't even go into the store to get a real one. That's all they offer now. So I go home, look up the recipe and make it work. Because I'm not gonna take a lower quality product just because the company decides it's worth it.
Bowing down to these mega corporations for doing/being stupid is just cringe. If they offered what I wanted I'd buy it, but they don't.
You can't really say that for switch games rn
Buy the actual hardware and games then....super simple Mr.Pirate 😂 Ebay is a magical place...
"games don't count as software"
And a truck isn't a fucking motor vehicle
Well said
The funny thing is that in your library on the Nintendo Switch, your digital games are literally labeled as "software". Bullshit they aren't "software". Nintendo literally calls it "software". :(
Maybe bc it actually is software??? I'm sry but I don't get it.
@@Random_User-zu1mp I was calling nintendo's bullshit because digital games are literally labeled as software on the switch
the games are software but what the user is buying is a license to use that software, they aren't taking ownership of that specific instance.
The leg that nintendo really had to stand on was when they locked some of the games behind a patron exclusive tier. Meaning they lost their protection of being a free service.
But adding features to your emulator actually isn't illegal either.
It works as an alternative system to play the game... which is legal.
The issue is that they are being blamed for the piracy.... which is stupid...
@TheDeathmail The issue is, emulators really have merit for two things: archival or piracy. If you begin to make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, offer an online service, and support playing games that haven't even been released yet you lose all merit as an archival tool. Plus, even if Yuzu weren't directly responsible for piracy, they were knowingly facilitating piracy on their platform and even encouraging it by launching competing features (like Yuzu online) and supporting games which aren't out yet, making them liable for some of the damages Nintendo faced.
There's legal precedent for commercial emulators, Bleem and Virtual Gamestation were both commercial products. It seems like the Yuzu devs had been promoting piracy explicitly, sharing ROMs on their Discord, and that's why they folded so quickly.
@@TheDeathmail So Yuzu did a bunch of really dumb stuff including sharing roms of unreleased games in their discord, and the emulator updates to support TotK that were locked behind their patreon were released before the TotK release date which is a pretty solid way to show that they were genuinely profiting from piracy.
Theres a reason the Yuzu team didn't even try to fight it, what they did was pretty blatantly illegal and that's without Nintendo even having to make a case for the legal status of emulators.
Nothing blocked the game from working in the regular release of the game. They just had a newer version you could access more easily if you supported their Petreon. Nothing illegal there. They also never shared game files. Some people in the Yuzu discord did, but it was against the server's rules.
Software is literally a program that runs on a computer. Is Nintendo high?
Okay but lets be real.
The biggest reason, and why yuzu likely didnt fight it.
Was because they were making money and gating unofficial patches behind that payroll, right?
Thats like the 1 thing every rom and emulator maker know not to do
Oh buddy it was more than that. Remember, for specific games to run correctly on an emulator, that game has to be debugged on said emulator, which takes time, could take a week or could take a month. Considering that, how did Tropical Haze, the Yuzu devs, get these games running on Yuzu days in advanced? They had ROMs well before they should have, which is illegal. It was also multiple games, Nintendo even has screen shots of them admitting one of their goals is to get games running before or day of the game's release. Then you can throw in them making money off of it, and you got yourself a guilty party.
@@Tkscz i mean if im being real, while that is 100% illegal afaik. If they werent making money, i wouldnt care as much. But thats 100% just me. But yeah its like the GOLDEN rule of this sort of area, especially jf you're doing obviously illegal shit like early release or unofficial patches, is
Dont gate it behind smth. Thats like page 1 sentence 1 of the nonexistant rulebook. But shrug oh well.
I just wish backing up games was as easy as ripping a cd, when you require a hacked 20 year old piece of hardware to do it for some systems it's just a ridiculous amount of work.
Some games really are as easy as that. PlayStation 1 and PlayStation 2 games can be backed up by a simple cd rom drive which many people still have, and free software. Unfortunately other systems aren't quite as simple, or affordable. I have ripped my Gameboy games (and saves), but it cost money for the cartridge dumper.
@@skycloud4802 that's awesome, I do have a tonne of ps1 games that need backing up
I can literally make iso files of my gamecube games using the wii and it just takes 10 minutes without supervision
Thanks to this Aussie legend creator called Bennvenn, I managed to get a device to transfer my complete Pokémon Yellow safe file to my computer. My precious Genwunners are safe!
The biggest problem was yuzu profiting from it by putting features behind a paywall, they shot themselves in the foot along with the rest of emulation and gave nintendo the easiest case of their lives
But adding features to your emulator actually isn't illegal either.
It works as an alternative system to play the game... which is legal.
The issue is that they are being blamed for the piracy.... which is stupid...
Supporting your own product with better features and paywalling them is NOT a reason to get shutdown. Yuzu was blamed for piracy and maybe that happened. People wanted Yuzu and continued supporting it because it had better features and significantly greater USER EXPERIENCE. The fact that they folded because of random Nintendo screeching just puts a spotlight on the emulator community in general. Just wait until the day we go full hardware abstraction and cut out Nintendo hardware because it fails expectations. TotK at 60FPS? Not on Switch.
I mean, to have an emulator go that far, u need to pay people and pay them well, it was kinda necessary and a lot of other emulators Didi it too
They were not distributing ROM or encryption keys, it does not matter if they paywalled some features.
@@DaemonForceit's disingenuous to say *maaaybe* piracy happened with yuzu 😂 of course it did, most of the time it's installed. But I get your point.
This video was recorded on a switch lol
Personally as long as you don't take sales from Nintendo and make sure you give the credit and make sure they got some of the money because they made the game because if you just take free games it is very bad because then Nintendo get no money and in fact loses money and then they go broke.
My poor Pokemon who died with the cmos battery on my gold version. Didn't back it up in time.
Bob this is a great take but let’s be real people are not ripping shit they own. I’d love to do it but never have. That said I only emulate extremely hard to play games that are prohibitively expensive or on weird consoles. Sadly, the norm is people pirating large collections of games. Yuzu emulating “current” gen was bound to get them in shit.
Exactly 👆like at least wait for the next gen to come out before doing stuff like this as this way you can better use the archival excuse. Or even better yet wait until the console is no longer officially supported so then you are less likely to be sued over lost profits. I’m pretty sure h shop is still around because of this reason
Also ur allowed to fix , repair and mod your own equipment.
I agree. Since nintendo can't ever come out with themes on thr switch
Nintendo: Games don’t count as software! 😾
Also Nintendo in the Switch menu: *Software Information*
I believe in the UK we can't even legally back up our own bought software, which honestly really sucks when there's a cartridge or disc failure after many years of ownership
If buying isn’t owning, then piracy isn’t stealing.
Anyone remember the cringe piracy ads that a lot of movies had that did absolutely nothing, and hollywood box offices acted like they were hurting from it even though they are all multi millionaires
If Yuzu didn't release those patches for PAID PATRONS that optimize emulation of Tears of The Kingdom BEFORE RELEASE Nintendo's case would be MUCH MUCH WEAKER and even though i wholeheartedly agree with your point and will zealously defend emulation, Yuzu did this to themselves this time. Still got Ryujinx i guess, cause they didn't optimize leaked piracy
They also sued citra, a 3ds emulator, in which Nintendo is getting no money from.
No, Citra got killed because it was part of the same project, it could have survived if it wasn't owned by the same person
False, Citra got nuked because it was made by the same team as Yuzu
@@danielkrasovsky45 indeed, it was owned by the same person so it was destroyed at the same time
This is pure talent shining through.
Fully agreed.
Back in 4th-5th grade the only games I could play were gb/gba games on an emulator on my tablet, besides my uncles 360 but he was always on it
even youtubers arent researching enough and its getting on my nerves they hit yuzu because yuzu WAS DISTRIBUTING the TOTK rom before release
Not all thankfully, but most are and it’s also getting on my nerves 😅
Instructions unclear, just downloaded another full romset off of the internet.
Actually piracy is good. "Legal" copies of some games run for hundreds of dollars. Piracy is ethical and good and best way to preserve media and make them accessible to people.
How else would I have played Starfox 2 Twenty years before officially released.
And those hundreds of dollars go directly to scalpers and collectors. Not to Nintendo or the third party publishers that made the game.
@@skycloud4802Nintendo's actions lead to this black market thriving when they intentionally and arbitrarily make their older games inaccessible. Nintendo could have one online marketplace for all their old games and could easily port most of their titles to newer consoles. They choose not to so they can sell you a subscription.
@@skycloud4802 ah yes all that "money" from piracy, first time bootlicking bro?
@@sablesalt Dude they're supporting piracy, they were saying that the money doesn't even go to nintendo when people buy the real copies from collectors, so why not pirate
I would love to back up my (3)DS games. I want to play them again but I don't want to buy another system
people who stand on principle go down on history. But while they stand on principle, their lives are hell
Emulators should be considered okay as long as the games that are being emulated are no longer for sale. Like old ps2 games or gameboy games
At least until they're more readily available on modern platforms
Well you can already legally rip games and hand out files to personal friends and family for sharing.
The argument Im sure nintendo would make is that even if a game is no longer available for sale, they would want to potentially sell the game again in the future and thus piracy actually hurts their potential sales on future ports.
The atraw that broke the camels back was that they were charging for early access to updated versions of the program.
I bought a steam deck oled and I’ve recently been using it a lot for emulation it’s so easy to set up emulators. I’ve recently been playing a lot of PlayStation games on it like silent hill 2 etc I love emulation
My Pkmn Silver's Club Nintendo event's Celebi got Thanosed by a dead battery, unfortunately there wasn't any way (that I know) to backup my game +15 years ago. The file was probably lost years before anyways...
I find it hard to believe when you normally refer to games as "soft/softo" in Japanese, which is short for software.
The sad thing is the only reason I ever got a switch was because I had an emulator and played switch games and I liked it so much I got the switch. I'm sure I'm not the only one. When it comes to game systems they are so expensive so if I don't know that I'm going to like it, I'm not going to waste money on it.
@WULFF DEN: You said that it is easy to rip the Rom yourself, that is incorrect for people that does not have does tool bought in the first place. Right now the only cartridge that I would need to back-up are GBA game, and buying a cartridge reader that would connect to my current laptop. And that would cause too mush, plus if it is only avaiable with including more then just the GBA cartridge reader, to prevent leaving the other slot never being used, it might force me to buy NES game, SNES and so on and the one that are really hard to find will cost way too mush.
The problem is that it's more likely than not that 100% of every person who has used an emulator has played a pirated game.
Thanksfully, we still have ryujinx bur sadly it doesnt have an android port, but lets hope it be the future of our comunity
another thing I heard was that ryujinx was able to run totk as well. difference is ryujinx was just a better emulator hence it can run it while yuzu actively pushed updates that allowed yuzu to run totk so basically encouraging it
If u give me the choice between 720p barely 30fps and 4k stable 60fps, I do the choice fast, also, being able to test if the game works a few day before streamming it on the release date is incredibly important
Interesting, because in Japan we called them “gamesoft”…short for Game Software!
My totk game stutters and has even outright froze on a good handful of occasions. Using a regular Switch.
Wow a way where you can experience the game in its best format without having to fork over 50 bucks every month for a non-drifting controller?
Lets nuke it!
I use a community backup device. It's called the internet archive.
I wonder if you have seen moon channel’s video on the whole situation because after watching the video. it shows that Nintendo was laying legal groundwork against emulation and if this went to court, I’m sure things would’ve been worse for emulation
When I use an emulator, it's to play Pokemon. I own the games I play. I still download the rom because I'm not paying for another save file.
Let's be real, so many people use emulation for piracy that at this point it's impossible to separate the 2. Most people are not ripping their own games for emulation. If we want people to let up on emulation, we gotta get real about these things.
When you purchase the game, you own that game. You can copy and give it to as many people as you would like as long as you aren't selling them they cant do sht. Why do you think games have switched to a model that needs to be online, or some are completely digital its so that you cant do that anymore.
What gameboy dumper is that?
Probably the GB Operator.
It would be so crazy if there was a online marketplace that lets you download digital versions of Nintendo games if you own the physical media.
Nintendo: "money."
Nintendo made steps, after they found out, Yuzu makers are making Discord server, where they spreeaded a subscription model, what was let people to reach many warez contents what was originaly belongs to Nintendo. They made a good profit from this, this is why Nintendo sued them and made an agreement later IMO.
How are games not software? Can you send me the link to that page please.. I love to read comedy
That honestly points out the biggest glaring flaw of the system. It needed more power. They claim their new system will do "4k". Press X to doubt.
When my hairline recedes, I too shall grow my hair out long. Possibly even a ponytail?
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if i had the ability to play nintendo games on my computer without having to use an emulator, i wouldnt pirate them. love nintendo games, not big on the consoles
I'm just going to say what all youtubers are too 👧 to admit. I support piracy and I don't care what nintendo or any other company has to say about it. The r4 cart was gods blessing apon this world and to this day I still try games on emulators before buying them.
You have the right to backup digital content you legally bought as long as the means used to create the backup doesn't circumvent copy protection. You can't sell or distribute it. It also applies to other content besides software like CDs and movies.
The problem however is when the copy protection prevents you from legally backing up the software in the first place. We really need to rewrite some of these laws.
Amen!
Saying games aren't software is like saying Nintendo is a mom and pop company and not a multi billion dollar corporation
If companies sell a real, high quality, truly ownable copy of their whatEVER the fuck, people will buy it. Buying is easier. But they don’t do that, so people pirate and emulate and record. To this day I highly recommend that you print, rip, backup things that you like, because these days it can be wiped from existence whether you paid for it or not.
What if I buy a game boy game and dump it then I dump the game from my own cartridge right? And then I sell the cartridge, what’s this rom then?😊
If they made gameboy games again, we wouldn't have the ridiculous scalper prices people stamp on GBA games, don't know why they won't just port all the GBA games to the Switch
Well said BAHHB
I think they’re just pissy that an emulator played their own software better than their own hardware
They dont care about that. They care about the money they could have made if 1 million people used Yuzu
@@tumultuousv you mean to tel me you personally wouldn’t be pissed that some emulator developed by a small team played your software better than your own hardware you spent YEARS developing?
Or the fact that they pretty much stole business from them by allowing people to pirate games for free...
@@jat9926a legal team wouldn't care, Nintendo have always been anti any circumventing of their rules. See the vast amount of law suits during the DS era for flash carts in many international courts
@@jat9926 tbf the pc is way more powerful so it should run games better then the switch. if they managed to get the game running better on a switch then nintendo then yeah be pissed. but that will never happen.
I have 1000 privacy rom
If Nintendo don't want us to emulate their games because they run better on PC, they should abandon their almost 8 years old console and actually make a good one this time that can run games in at least 1080p and 60fps.
Lol
But that would require them to actually put in some hard work.
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Most of Nintendo's old games are not even legally available and none of the new ones are available where I live. Nintendo has killed so many of their own games and their availability. Emulation is the only way to play them unless people want to pay our per capita income for one game without the console. While all games are expensive in my country, nothing beats the sheer lack of supply Nintendo provides.
I know this Switch Emulator was ultimately taken down by Nintendo because the devs of the emulator were making money from the Emulator via Patreon. Currently I'm really into a fan game called Pokemon MMO and the devs are making money off the game via in game items and cosmetics and I'm afraid that Pokemon MMO will eventually get taken down by Nintendo or Game Freak 😢.
"games don't count as software"
Yeah, well my money doesn't count as currency for your business.
It didn't help that YUZU was making a ton of money on patrion and other donation sites. The TotK leak didn't help either. Emulating for games/console that are currently still being produced and sold new also didn't help this case....
However Nintendo needs to get it's act together, maybe drop a somewhat more expensive switch with some actual power behind it. If emulating a game is what it takes to make it playable, that's a huge problem on nintendo's end.
Here is my gray area question. Can I rip my own game then sell it?
No. Because that wouldn't be archiving it.
@@skycloud4802 what do you mean?
@@austintaylor5683 I think you can rip your game as backup and keep the original (in most countries laws), just like MP3 music tracks). But if you sold the original game or lent it out, then technically that's an unauthorized copy, a nd not purely for self backup/achive purposes. I'm not a lawyer or anything, that's just my general take on the just of it.
Then tell these companies to make a PC port so that people who are interested will buy it .
It's exactly what my dad thinks
To say some people use yuzu because it runs better than switch it's not honest. Obviously the reason is piracy. Emulation isn't always piracy, because indie Devs might test their games through emulation. However, this is probably less than 1% of the overall cases
"People wouldn't choose to run a more functional version of a game" is genuinely something you just claimed bro, you also need a switch in order to emulate dawg 💀
I also don't like the "emulation is piracy" thing. Nintendo's virtual consoles were literally just emulators. Old games that have been re released are most likely using emulation to do so. The Playstation 3 has emulation built right into it. So no, emulation doesn't equal piracy. If emulation is piracy, then Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony are, at best, complete hypocrites.
People who download roms are because they do not have the financial capacity to buy games that simple, whether you understand it or not, getting roms and configuring emulators is very tedious, believe me, whoever does it is because they have no other choice.
Nintendo has never been an advocate of gamers. Just their bottom line.
Preservation of your own legally purchased games is fine and even emulating them is fine with me. It’s when people take brand new games or not even released games and sharing it around that it’s just not okay. I don’t care if the game runs better on emulation, if you are playing a stolen copy you are a piece of crap and doing something illegal.
Then they respond with a virtual boy attachment what the f***
Nintendo do not care about the ethics and preservation of emulation, i did the same with all my games due to space and accessibility but nintendo will not see it that way, just the way it is LOL
People shouldnt be allowed to emulate current gen. Full stop
"Nintendo, let games die."
If an emulator makes your game actually perform at an enjoyable level, you failed to optimize your game and as a developer.
Ah hell nah. If you think the devs didn't work MAGIC to make Totk run as well as they could on the switch then you're just goofy.
Compare that game to Pokemon scarlet and violet and you'll see that the devs are the ONLY ones who should get praise. Don't be goofy
@@tumultuousv another mistake doesn't magically make that mistake Not a mistake
@@mianunya7607 Well, TotK is well optimized. If you want to blame someone, blame either the power of the console it runs on or the scope of the game. As far as optimization goes, they did a pretty good job
@@ddnava96 why would anyone blame the capabilities of the console? The devs KNEW the spec of the switch, and then proceeded to make a game that stutter despite their prior knowledge. It's 100% of the devs
I think a console running on underpowered/outdated technology should get some share of the blame here. No developer make Crises run on a potato.
waiting for the EU to shit on nintendo and force them to release all exclusives to all platforms
Ya.....cause yall want to steal without being called out 😂 Be more honest people, probably 14 people use emulation properly 😂
That's like suggesting all road drivers are guilty of speeding. Yeah sure some or even most do it, but you can't blanket all drivers as shady. Same with emulation.
I hate that we lost not only yuzu but citra Because the devs got greedy. Like they really thought they could overextend and not face consequences.
Piss off Nintendo
What's wrong with you Nintendo?
There are more reason than just piracy....
wow - nintendo is insane
Nah, emulation is mostly used for piracy and that's OK. I pirate all the games I can and won't stop doing it. I mostly play retro games (as in not current generation) and will not pay a ridiculous amount of cash for a used-ass game. The developers won't see any of that money, and they already made their profit on them. A crime without victims? I don't know, and I don't care, I won't try to rationalize it, but won't overreact as if we were talking about murder either.
I've been trying to figure it out but can't find an answer anywhere. Maybe someone here knows? I'm trying to figure out if the battery save is also a thing for GBA cartridges and if so, does it go for every cartridge?
GBA carts generally don't have battery saves, saves are usually stored on flash memory. I'm sure some carts have battery saves, but it's pretty uncommon IIRC. If a GBA cart does have a battery it's usually for something other than battery-backed memory, like a real-time clock (think Pokémon R/S/E) or a built in component (the gyroscope in Kirby Tilt 'n' Tumble). When the battery goes out those things stop working.
If you can buy the product new then I'm very against emulation.
Crazy Nintendo is the biggest hater and supporter of emulation.
too bad half of your subs are pirates to being with lmao , 1 million tears of the kingdom roms downloaded
If buying doesn't equate to ownership then piracy isn't theft... and fuck Nintendo they've robbed the world of the best rom website ever made.
I honestly believe that current or last Gen evaluation is reasonably malicious, but towards the end of a game's shelf life just give the okay to use your copy how you want
This is what NFTs are supposed to solve. It will solve which "software" is owned by whom.
Say it with me guys, fuck Nintendo.
No
This point of view is wrong
People are pirating.
Stop trying to act like that isn't what's going on
A niche backs up
Over 90% of people emulating are pirating
Stop the cap!
Reminder that switch emulation requires own a switch, most of these people do indeed buy the games to rip for emulation.
@@sablesalt stop the cap.
They're downloading the emulated version(hence one person's copy) for thousands to play... piracy
@@panmanafro ah yes "the emulated version" my bad I didn't know you were tech illiterate.
@@panmanafro He means that Switch emus require console specific data that can only be acquired through legitimate means
@@regis_c from you copy the game info & user it not as intended you're hacking illegally(I used emulators as a child in the 90s) there's nothing legal about emulators
The technicality everyone is trying to explain is bs
Emulators are used to copy & distribute games, not preserve; as was seen with the latest Zelda & others
Yeah naw piracy will rule
Heh, pirating Nintendo game always morally correct