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You are the person I refer to when I want to understand how things really are. Thank you very much, beyond camera gears and clogs profiles, that's key as I am becoming a teacher and want to be real about stuff!!!
This is the video I needed. Thanks, as always. You've got my favorite real world channel since you produce excellent results and I like your actual work. Too many people do uninspired sample shots and boring studio work, but the end result makes me NOT want to take the advice offered, haha. I never feel that way about your videos, since you back up your discussion with creativity and an artistic instinct that I trust. Now we just need Clog3 to come out for the R6!
Glad you made this video. A couple of them just expose for highlight on both clog and clog3 and says they see no difference.
Dude it was driving me crazy! But even then, if they knew how to properly stretch the exposure in post, clog 3 def still has better “recovery” details.
I’m just glad you still keep your r5. Planning to get one soon 👍🏻
I’m getting my R5 Tuesday and was planning on making this video because I saw all the bad info floating around...because I knew they weren’t doing it properly. Thank you for this! Hopefully it gets passed along and shared.
Yikes, this comment is 8 months late, but I just got my R6 last week and just like you I wanted the R5 for video but im gonna wait until the R5c is released to spend $5k on a camera. The R5 is what i call a sleeping beauty, so much potential limited by poor components (on the video side of things) the overheating makes it impossible to shoot video at higher frame rate (60+). The R5c will be vented and rumored to be the first canon camera to be capable of unlimited video time so Im waiting with my fingers crossed. The R5 is otherwise an absolute beastly stills camera but a head banger with video.
Very crisp video with extremely useful info. Thank you!
Thank you for this. I used Clog 3 at the weekend outdoors and personally found it could handle more light and needed it in most cases. The shots that were overexposed by a stop looked the best in post. I didn't have time for an 18% grey card at 35 IRE but I will try it in the future to see when time allows. The shots that were even slightly underexposed looked pretty rough though thats for sure in the shadows.
Maybe try Zebras at 35%? Or false color.
Mine are programmed to the back buttons like AF on and the *, and i added view assist on/off icon to the main Q HUD from the "custom quick controls".
Omg this is the video I wanted. I don’t have an external monitor that works with my R5, and I live by the histogram. But I had no idea how to expose properly, but this video seems to suggest I can still rely on the histogram. Hopefully a future firmware will fix the issue of the screen too bright with clog3. But I shoot mostly outside, so I typically do need the screen at full brightness. Thank-you for this. 🙏
Hello ! Thank you very much for this great video ! I have an R6 and I'm going to get into the video. If I’m using c-log 3 then I will have to install a variable nd filter. So, how many stops do you recommend for shooting in broad daylight, with average brightness (Norway in February) ? 2-5 or 6-9 stops? Thanks for your help ! Best regards ! Vanessa
Just tested some clog3 footage exposing it using the histogram and it came out perfect, thank you for making the video. will be running more tests in different lighting situations. good video.
I have a couple of questions. I never shoot in LOG because I’m afraid that I’ll get footage that is unusable if not exposed correctly. But since my new R6 only shoots in 10 bit on CLOG, I want to give CLOG 3 a shot.
First, I mainly enjoy shooting travel videos, so things are shot fast and don’t really have time to have ideal lighting situations. I always try to expose for skin tone. So for scenes where there’s not a lot of contrast, using your histogram example, do I just expose for the highlights and make sure they’re not clipped on the right, but keep them as close to the right as possible? And second, for high contrast scenes (e.g. trying to expose for skin tone and there’s a bright, sunny background behind them), do I use the histogram the same or do I treat it differently because I’d expect the background to blow out anyways?
Any help would be appreciated!
I can't find the custom button to turn zebras on and off in canon r6 so how i can fix it please ? Thanks
Thank you very much.. this is one of the best and super easy to understand
Hi Cam,
If I could ask a question, Clog3, really like the extra DR over the Clog1…… BUT
On my EOS R it has a lovely golden skin tone and colour science that looks great, but on my R3 it is a horrid red Magenta cast in the skin tones. If i correct for it in white balance, it send the rest of the image blue cast. Which I don’t like. Now the R3 doesn’t have Clog1, but I need to match the cameras.
Does colour space affect this or any other settings? Currently my Canon cameras are worlds apart on colour.
Any tips to address this?
Much appreciated, can’t seem to find any vids on this topic on YT. 🤔 So came to the expert. 😀
Thanks for not making this explanation 20min long. You the man! Solid info
SO good man, don't need to make this video now! Haha. Loving the increase that the log3 is giving me!
Dude it was driving me crazy seeing all these videos talk about how there’s no difference 🤦🏽♀️
@@cammackey Keep chargin brother
I love this community once one of us makes video the rest of is back pfg
@@MichaelDrowley ye man loving the attitude
perfect video, reminds me of how i was under exposing until about 1 month ago
histogram is way more reliable than the screen for setting exposure
This is the guy! Finally someone who knows the stuff :)
i canot find a video that explain me how to find that clog 3 botton in my camera. i just bouthg a camera i have no idea how to use it
So is clog3 better for lowlight scenes or for bright ones? It looks like it’s much better with highlights, but then the base ISO is also higher which means in bright scenarios it’ll be overexposed. Is clog3 good for shadows or is it noisy?
Did you find an answer to this? Wouldn’t you just adjust your Aperture?
They just released 1.3.1 for the R5. It says it is to fix the view assist issue with CLOG3. Haven’t tested it.
Are you using zebras for skin tone? Or only using the histogram?
You would think people would already know this but I too had to learn back when I got the original BMPCC in 2014. Learning that camera totally prepared me when my next job required me to man a RED Weapon in 2016; same principle as you show here, Cam. Do you also notice the histogram on the R5 also has “goal posts” similar to REDs?
Dude yes. It baffles me how many bad videos and information there is out there. Like if you get a beer camera, you need to know it like the back of your hand. That technical knowledge connects with your creative knowledge and makes like easier. And no I have not notice that 🤔 explain this to me! I’m very intrigued.
I remember when I first learned what goal post were on the Komodo. Shit took me a few shoots to comprehend for some reason, just because ITS SO SIMPLE haha
@@cammackey Ok, I try to explain it here. Let me know if it makes sense.
th-cam.com/video/RINxrUiyApM/w-d-xo.html
What i actually did was remove an icon, i think it was IS or something else that id never tap back and forth. Thise set and forget type i removed. Then added other icons fir the HUD and added view assist on/off icon. Makes it easier than going into the menu, even setting up a custom quick menu.
Think i added screen brightness, and sd card function. Idk what else to add since i changed my back buttons to zebra and false color for video mode shooting.
Good stuff man!
Hi Cam! How do tou expose for Clog3 in low light conditions? Thanks
Did you figure this one out?
This a very helpful information
Thank you!
You simply add a counter weight. Did you attempt to find a solution for heavy lenses?
Thanks a lot. By the way, do you use luts for Clog 3 or just basic color correction?
bruh this guy uploads color correcting videos pretty often lmao
Quick question for anyone with experience shooting CLOG and the proper workflow. I've seen conflicting videos and now more confused than ever. Is the proper workflow for any version of Log, : Rec709 LUT, White Balance, then color correction. Or is it White balance, Rec709 Lut, then color correction?
Rec709 lut, white balance, color correction.
the rec709 lut isnt essential if you can color grade it yourself.
thank you! I'm always overexposing CLOG 3 CinemaGamut 2 full stops and even with an ISO at 3200 or higher i can't see any noise in the shadows. I love it! Also i turned the Viewassist off, doesn't make any sense at this point of time.
is it normal to overexpose 2 stops on clog3? comming from V-log :) so it sounds strange
@@sardanapalos yes 2 stops is normal.
Do you think checking the exposure meter on the screen when you half press the shutter is a good indicator if the video is exposed properly for CLOG3?
Noooooooooo. Never use photo metering tools for video. That’s number one no no. Photo metering tools are set to meter from spot, centered, or evaluative.. none of them are actually telling you what’s going on in your scene when shooting video. When shooting g raw photos we have way more information to play with so video is jsut a different beast that we cannot cheat like we can with photos. Histograms will show you a more detailed view of what’s going on in your exposure. If you get an external monitor they’ll give you extra tools like waveforms that’ll help you even more
Just watched some of your vids. Your stuff is solid. If that workflow has been working for you then don’t fix what’s not broken brother. But if you haven’t fucked with a histogram or waveforms, I def suggest you learn up on them. Def if you ever plan on upgrading to a cinema camera, cause most of them don’t have those photo metering tools
@@cammackey Dang appreciate it heavy, I'm going to seriously tune in with histograms and waveforms. Thank you so much !!!!
Good stuff appreciate the info
What are the native ISO’s for clog 3? I know the base is 800 but what is it for more low light?
Still 800. However, when you need more light it's best to increase ISO by doubling. ISO 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800 give better results than the ISOs in between.
I believe that the target is to expose for the 18% gray and not to the right ... Clog 3 gives u one more stop in highlights so u dont clip as much .. that doesnt mean u should overexpose 1 stop :D
I don’t pay attention to any of that shit honestly. I just want good highlights and then in post I know how to grade the image in any direction. Works great for my run and gun style
so in clog 3 you dont expose to the right? i m so confussed
Seriously, thanks Cam, real talk. How can people by so (don't want to use the word dumb) but this is how you should be exposing all the shots. On the histogram. Screen brightness is just that, it varies, and is not what the sensor is actually seeing. If you are doing pro work i.e. you should know this. The main difference is the base ISO. This is the main difference to be aware of.
Dude it’s crazy how many untechnical “camera operators” there are out there.
So if the base is ISO 800, can you still go higher or no?
@@royaltykidstv yeah for sure, but it may reduce your ultimate dynamic range.
So I should shoot at 800 iso to get that extra stops on c log 3? What if iso is 100?
Shoot 800 iso or higher will get you more dynamic range
U the man!
TH-cam showed this to me After it showed me one about how terrible the update is.. thank you for turning my frown upside down! 😃 now I will actually install it..
Nice. Thank you
Thank you !
So 800 iso is the base for clog3 but does a lower Iso not give lower noise? I don't get it hope you can clear this for me.
Did you find anything?
according to canon, you can go lower iso in c-log 3 but you lose huge dynamic range in the highlights. based on alot of test its not worth going under 800iso. stick to 800 and expose correctly using histogram.
@@truthseeker6804 Thanks brother
@@Webrisernl welcomed. search youtube "How To Expose C-LOG Properly - Nail It In Camera" by Harv Video. and scroll to about 5:10 , you would see a huge difference in the sky when he goes below the recommended ISO. as it clips the highlight.
so in summary stick to the recommended iso, and expose using histogram, adjust, aperture, ND filter or shutter speed if you have to.
Whats ur thoughts on the cinema Gamut option in Clog 3?
It’s a larger color space I think. Don’t quote me on that tho. But it’s the standard color space for all their cinema line so I rather use that then am the standard ones
@@cammackey Correct
Well done man
Dear all,
Last week I did some tests about Clog and its color correction. I shot at home in a mixed-light environment: from the windows I got natural diffused day light and on the ceiling I had a 3200k lamp.
I did all the test recording on an Atomos Ninja V+ recording in H.265 HQ.
I shot the same set on C-log3 and then Normal (C-log OFF). Obiovusly setting the corrected exposure for both the formats (using the histogram and false color on the Atomos).
Well... to be totally honest the Normal mode looked SO MUCH BETTER than the C-log one! When I say "looked better" I mean its color correction.
I did a quick color correction on Premiere Pro and the C-log3 clip had a terrible yellow tone and the darkest areas were very grainy. On the other side the Normal shot had a very natural color look and the darkest areas (even if visible) were totally grain free.
Of course the ISO was lower on the Natural (around 320/400) while it was higher on the C-log3 (1600).
Now... if every professional shooters of the world ONLY shoot C-log there would be a good reason... I'm not stating here I'm better than others or I know more than others... but the results is evident!
So... what did I do wrong?
Thx
Miki
You’re process is wrong. Minimum ISO for clog 3 is 800. 2nd, clog 1 is basically a flat standard color. With clog 3 you can put the camera in canon gamma log or whatever it’s called. It’s gives you even mroe color depth. But with more color depth, it requires more knowledge when grading. You can’t use the same LUTs for both of them, they require two totally different LUTs and require different workflows. It’s this reason canon doesn’t out clog 2 on these cameras because it takes even MORE work on top of all of that and they rather not deal with customers blaming the camera rather themselves. Also, to do actual indepth tests, I’d recommend trying out davinci. The color grade engine lets you push the files way further than premier will ever do.
What’s the normal mode?
I just tested clog3 today and it is indeed better than clog in term of recovering highlight. However, i did notice it’s a little bit more noise. I tested with 8k raw and turned it into clog3 and saw less noise. Is it supposed to be like this or am I doing something wrong? I put both clips on iso 800
One thing people are not aware of is, it is the same sensor doing exactly the same thing. All you are doing is giving up contrast at the centre point to gain highlights at the extreme. So you loose variation at the centre points. There is no free lunch, this "may" introduce noise, but can diffinitely introduce banding if filming in low light. Never use log settings in controlled lighting or low lighting settings, you are comprimising the sensitivity of the sensor reducing contrast detail.
You’re looking at it all wrong. First, highlight recovery is wrong. Clog 3 shifts the dynamic range while also giving you an extra stop. So you EXPOSE DIFFERENTLY than you would with regular clog. Second, raw is raw. You can change it to clog 1, 2, 3.. the noise will all be similar because it’s raw.
It all comes down to how the specific log requires you to expose.
At first I do thought that Clog3 has more noise than Clog1, however after some testing, I find that if you expose slightly brighter than how you usually expose for Clog1 and crush the black on post, the image will be just as clean.
Thank you for all the advices guys, I appreciate it
@@waynosfotos sorry for jumping on the post, but I have to ask... if you are shooting a wedding and you shoot in CLOG during the day, would you switch to a neutral picture profile for the reception (low light)? Every time i ask this, I am always told to use CLOG throughout the whole wedding, even in low light situations.
In low light it still produces a ton of noise. Would live if you could make one for low light
TESTED all weekend and log is extremely noisy compared to my Sony.
Just the truth over here!
Thank you.
Very helpful.
I noticed a big difference in color quality between the RAW & shooting log on the R5. It's weird, because I don't notice this when shooting 10-bit on the C70.
It’s cause the RAW is 12 bit so it’s gonna look better
@@izakburlo The C70 only shoots 10-bit & looks about the same as the R5 colors in RAW. They nerfed the log footage in the R5.
@@TJIzzy it’s not about looking the same lol. Of course they’re gonna look similar, it’s canon cameras. The difference is in colorgrading, you get way less artifacting and can push the grade MUCH more than you can with 10 bit, changing hues and all that
@@izakburlo I have a RED that shoots 16-bit RAW, you get diminishing returns. You cant seem to wrap your head around what I was saying; the R5 in 10-bit cinema gamut colorspace is completely off compared to the C70 in 10-bit cinema gamut. The R5 in RAW actually matches the C70 or C300 iii (you can compare RAW to RAW). Have fun arguing with yourself, you clearly dont have any of these cameras or have worked with pro cinema cameras.
@@TJIzzy did you like your own comment lmaooo. And actually I have the R5, I’ve been shooting on it since it came out. You think you’re such a pro but I can guarantee that you wouldn’t be able to tell C70 from R5 footage if they were shown to you without labels. Also, clog on the R5 doesn’t allow Cinema Gamut, it’s only rec .709. You can only use Cinema Gamut in clog3 so of course there’s a difference in how it looks
Why didn’t canon just update the view assist for the different modes? Seems kinda dumb if the setting is there to use. It’s all in the name...
Well they might of. But a lot of manufactures conversion LUTs and on set LUTs are like that. They’re made to convert the color space and curve mostly, not made to counter act having to over expose. Like if I expose for the scenes middle gray, then it would look normal.. but that’s not how we get the best exposure from theres mirrorless cameras with LOG.
@@cammackey I get what your saying but It seems way, way off to me. If they are correcting for the curve to give you a 709 preview it shouldnt be that blown out. Take clog1 view assist for example. I don’t they think updated it.
@@jessejayphotography yeah it seems like it might be the view asst for clog 1, they need to update it asap
Hi Cammackey, Canon just issued firmware 1.3.1 that fixes the View Assist issue with C-log3 😎
Do you feel the clog3 footage has a magenta tint? mine looked super magenta.
@@mdrxy 709
@@jiajianhou426 color matrix? Try changing between neutral and eos original. Then use one you prefer
@@adhi_atma I use neutral. Do you not see any magenta tint with your footage in Clog3?
@@jiajianhou426 this video might help you th-cam.com/video/8v4aLQNFrpY/w-d-xo.html
Use the cinema space
Thanks a lot
good Advice
Just tell us where Canon has hidden the Clog-3 LUT.
Very nice
The histogram is garbage in CLog3, I did a ton of testing with it in controlled lighting, and comparing with Zebras, they're completely different.
When there's highlights in a shot keep the iso at 800. Expose for the highlights. If you are shooting a scene with no highlights, the lower the iso the less noise!
Potentially though you will lose dynamic range.
I couldn't figure out why my footage was jacked up until I saw this video.
New firmware has fixed the View Assist bug.
I am a dummy, thank you for making videos for me :)
Everybody's doing it wrong. And no one knows how to do it right! LOL well it's the internet, not everbody is getting it right all the time, I can live with it.
I think also a lot of the TH-camrs are lazy AF and just slap LUTs on their footage and wonder why they aren't seeing an improvement in DR.
*cries in R6
We dont have to cry anymore. Dual slot recording too . Take that r5 !
I tested Clog and Clog 3 vs Slog with the Sony A7S3 and the Canon is laughable when it comes to how much noise it produces in darker situations. I shot all weekend and the Sony just blew it away.
Some dude just made a video saying he was sending his R5 back to Canon....to make them remove this firmware update...because View Assist doesn’t work right now...SHOOT IN regular CLog then!!! You clearly don’t understand how to do this stuff anyway if you absolutely rely on the inaccurate View Assist image on the back of the camera versus a histogram and zebras. I just couldn’t take that guy seriously anymore and unsubscribed from his channel...he was being ridiculous.
Yeah, who was it? Sounds like nonsense that Matti Haapoja would pull, but he jumped ship to Sony like a while back because Canon wasn't kissing his a$$ the way he wanted.
now that you mention it do you have any tip for using zebras on R6 on skin tones for clog or clog3, or even standard profiles? thanx anyway