During the lead out session, it sounded like there was a moment they sounded like a reflection of the classic hymn where it’s sung or played “praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost!” That tone was phenomenal. Also the 2nd set up with the compressor sound great and so did the wah combo following (I took snap shots in order to keep it together). Thanks also for that 80s throwback sound.
I’ve watched this video twice. I love this guy’s tone. The small tone samples really transport me to a more peaceful place. I love this guy’s tone and taste. Very beautiful cleans. Very chimey with a lot of definition. I love the Jan Ray to Klon to Ultraphonix gain progression with the SSS to give it a little more thickness and clarity. Very very tasteful. I’ve honestly never heard a more beautiful tone. I can’t believe I typed all this wow.
@29:26 add an aggressive echo setting to that tone and you have EJ's cliffs of Dover tone from December 14th, 1988. That is one of the nicest chorus sounds I have heard in a while.
Loved this Mason! Ben is a monster player and it’s awesome being introduced to these players who are fantastic but not as well known as other players. This video also verified my preference of running compression AFTER my gain pedals (I’m not crazy after all-lol). I also have the Waza Dimension C and it’s my desert island pedal! Boss hit it out of the park with it! It would be cool to have a video series where these type players are spotlighted. Ben seems to be an awesome dude also! 👏👏👏
That is a wonderful video. The playing and the board, so sweet without being sickly, no noise without using a switcher or noise-gate, able to provide drive and depth while still being sensitive to multiple bands, multiple foldback situations. And no time wasted in the conversation. Top marks all around. And of course I really want a sturdy, hinged, aluminium 2-tier board . :) Thanks.
I loved your explanation of how the compressor after the gains kind of "simulates" better the signal chain in a recording situation, after the amp's mic. Applying the same concept to bass, would you have a compressor right after the bass for the DI sound to simulate the bass going direct to the board and on the amp the compressor would be after the gains?
While I have played both versions of the steel string before, I'm contemplating which one to get(Steel String Clean drive vs Steel String Supreme)... I play a lot of RnB, jazz, and funk and sometimes I want my tone to just slightly "pop" out a little more. I'm almost always using a compressor and articulation is crucial. They both sound incredible.
Love my Diamond Tremolo and Boss Dimension = 2 Killer pedals. He is a great player. Nice tones. Great pedalboard. I am all about the crystal-Clean Amp.
As someone on the worship circuit, I can say that some of the most elaborate and expensive boards I’ve ever seen has almost always been in the praise and worship world. There is a specific kind of sound that is kind of “The Edge” inspired. These days amps are starting to disappear on stage and it’s either in an ISO box or direct from a amp/cab sim.
In the signal path section all the drives are before the Vemuram. Yet, When you get to dirty tones the drives are pictured after the Vemuram. So, what is the right signal path?
@@VertexEffectsInc at 16.05 the drives are before the Vemuram. Which is consistent with what is explained at 8.00 minutes. In the dirty tones section (starting at 21.00 minutes) the drives are pictured after te Vemuram (in the bottom left corner). Same for the lead tones starting 23.40.
I understand he has it there for volume swell purposes but by placing the boost where he does in the chain does that then cause his other drive pedals to push the boost into clipping? I run an LPB-1 always on before my drive pedals, basically I'm just wondering if I could benefit from switching it to behind my drives
No, not if the boost has a lot of headroom, which our does. Our boost can't be clipped by any guitar gear, not even some pro audio gear. It's running +/- 12V rail to rail so you'd need some really hot line level signals to clip it, and even then it would be difficult. The LPB-1 isn't efficient like that, so it would clip in some cases, if you want to run a boost and not have any clipping from other pedals before it you need to go with something real high quality and high headroom like ours, the Creation Boost (Creation Audio Labs) is also very good for this if you didn't want to go Vertex.
EVERYONE should at least try running overdrive before the compressor, it actually sounds way better, adding some dynamics and attack that you just can’t get the other way around. I use a noise gate to mitigate the added noise, which isn’t noticeable while playing, for me at least. My compressor is always on, and I’ll add overdrive as needed. You get more sustain this way as well…
There are pros and cons to both. When the compressor is after, you get more noise (like you said). Also, your compression levels will change drastically as you switch through gain stages (because of the volume differences). Clean tones would most like barely hit the compressor, making it pointless in those moments. I do like the way it feels after since you get the full dynamics of the ODs, but there is no perfect answer
Well that's because it's fairly unbelievable. What's even more unbelievable is that people are open about it. They're not even embarrassed. It's bizarre to me - or perhaps everyone outside America.
@@epilefsiul praise and worship is its own genre. lots of the guitars are really washed in tons of reverb and delay and the parts are usually very, very basic.
What's on the pedalboard is just he "SEND" side, there are separate "Receive" boxes for left and right that live on the amps that have an XLR input and 1/4" outputs to the amps.
That is one sexy pedal board! I just got a pedaltrain. Im not sure if Vertex trade in the UK but i love the innovations here. The buffer effect loop looks interesting. as i just record at home with a large pedalboard, im not sure what stuff i would actually need. Its tempting to just go crazy and buy everything just incase! xD
I am embarrassed to admit....I have never heard Ben's name. Then, I am stunned at his abilities - which conjure "virtuoso"! I actually haven't heard of any of the people he has played with. It occurs to me that a publicist/promoter should be fired, or hired! The chord inversions are wonderful!
As if Keye Luke was saying, "Much to learn here, Grasshopper." Raise your hand if: "I didn't want to have to hit multiple buttons" is familiar. So he mastered the subtleties of pedal stacking - where subtlety is everything IMHO, like reverb into delay. Pedal board building could make a Karen out of Gandhi - so tempting to just give up and go multi effects unit, but you just can't get those darn subtleties. Other standouts: "wide" v "tall" "stand out without being louder" and the idea of guitar parts serving and supporting rather than shredding.
Thanks Bob. Mostly just critical of the amount of money spent on gear and how that is antithetical to the teachings of Jesus. Like having a 2,000 dollars worth of overdrive doesn’t line up with what Jesus preached in the bible!
Most excellent content as always....I really appreciate the knowledge you impart to us lovers of music! Really breaks the stagnation of mediocrity overload! Great friend and guest! ❤👍
wouldn't the vertex boost, with its dual buffer, eliminate the need for the input buffer and output buffer from the buffer box and the ta link respectively?
Because of his needs and using the DI option it wasn't practical for that. We also added separate ISO transformers and polarity controls for one output.
It's a Tour Compact Board with a TC-4 riser but mounted to the left side instead of the right (which you can do on any of our pedalboards, they're all pre-drilled for left foot or right foot orientations).
People can hate on worship music or pedalboards for this genre all they want but it’s way easier to set up a rock or metal gig than it is to play worship gigs. Who cares about amp hiss and 60 cycle hum at a rock or metal show?! Nobody! But playing ambient music to set a certain mood is definitely tricky with stage lights and single coil pickups and noisy pedals or power sources that aren’t ideal. It’s definitely an art form that takes a lot of time, money, and tweaking vs rock gigs where the noise is part of the experience.
I think to play either genre well and get good tones you need to take time and care into the process. I think to oversimplify either genre is problematic and not in the spirit of musicianship. Most of the best players I know, in any genre, are generally not hating on other people's music or tastes as they know the difficulty it takes to master a musical genre, no matter what it is.
Do people in the comments seriously not know that Christian worship music is a thing? It’s just a genre that has typical sounds associated with it. It’s the second biggest thing coming out of Nashville and has been a giant industry for decades.
Yep and it adds to the fucking elitist bullshit industry just like downtown Nashville. Christian worship bros are the worst no better than Brad Paisley.
@@TorrieSeager no need to ask me, you can read the Bible and pray to Him yourself. I’m not a fan of commercialization, but if millions of people are giving God glory and hearing the truth then there’s something to be glad for. Paul says “some preach Christ from selfish ambition” but “…whether in pretense or truth Christ is preached, and in this I rejoice.”
I have many pedals (+-25), quite expensive. Then I look at this pedalboard and I recognize only one (the clon remake), and I feel down, don't want to lay down any money for this (it always keeps changing to keep the business going).
If you watch the video of the pedalboard we made him 3 years ago, it's almost the exact same pedals. Most of stuff has been around for at least a few years if not closer to 10 in many cases.
If you ask me, this age of boutique pedals has set guitarists back 30 years. My old intelifex sounds better than any of this. One rack unit, one midi pedal, and a couple of dirt and compression pedals up front. Easier to use and better quality tone.
I have a Rocktron Intellifex, it sounds great for delays, reverbs, and chorus, no doubt, but I wouldn't say better, it's kinda a different thing, different sound, and really works better in a rack context with a preamp or line level output after the amp compared to in-series with stereo amps. I wouldn't call the quality better. There's also no way to make the comparison since you're not using this gear or are in the room to have a baseline.
What were some of your favorite tones from this video? Tell us in the comments below!
The dimension c sounds so good!
@@fredlyons4538 the best!
During the lead out session, it sounded like there was a moment they sounded like a reflection of the classic hymn where it’s sung or played “praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost!” That tone was phenomenal. Also the 2nd set up with the compressor sound great and so did the wah combo following (I took snap shots in order to keep it together). Thanks also for that 80s throwback sound.
@@GaveMeGrace1 Ben's a phenomenal player!!!
Congrats Mason As well loved the dialogue how you interviewed him 5 Stars!!!!🎉🙌🏼👍🏻🦾
I’ve watched this video twice. I love this guy’s tone. The small tone samples really transport me to a more peaceful place. I love this guy’s tone and taste. Very beautiful cleans. Very chimey with a lot of definition. I love the Jan Ray to Klon to Ultraphonix gain progression with the SSS to give it a little more thickness and clarity. Very very tasteful. I’ve honestly never heard a more beautiful tone. I can’t believe I typed all this wow.
I’m only 3 minutes into this video and I’m already sold on this pedalboard! Everything is so well thought out. Alright, continuing to watch…
Wow, thanks!
@29:26 add an aggressive echo setting to that tone and you have EJ's cliffs of Dover tone from December 14th, 1988. That is one of the nicest chorus sounds I have heard in a while.
I thought same.
Nice!
I just saw you hit 100k. Congrats Mason! Keep up the grind my dude!
Thanks for the support!
Loved this Mason! Ben is a monster player and it’s awesome being introduced to these players who are fantastic but not as well known as other players.
This video also verified my preference of running compression AFTER my gain pedals (I’m not crazy after all-lol). I also have the Waza Dimension C and it’s my desert island pedal! Boss hit it out of the park with it!
It would be cool to have a video series where these type players are spotlighted. Ben seems to be an awesome dude also! 👏👏👏
Glad you enjoyed!
That is a wonderful video. The playing and the board, so sweet without being sickly, no noise without using a switcher or noise-gate, able to provide drive and depth while still being sensitive to multiple bands, multiple foldback situations. And no time wasted in the conversation. Top marks all around. And of course I really want a sturdy, hinged, aluminium 2-tier board . :) Thanks.
Thank you both!
🙏🙏🙏
The functionality of the ES-8 allows you to change placement on the fly. Brilliant!
Sure, if you need a switcher.
Good to see someone else preffering compression after OD/dist 👍
Absolutely
Great guitar player right there ! Love his approach to guitar tone and playing
Couldn't agree more!
Excellent example of playing for the song!
Ben's a great player!
The Rig Doctor schooling his past self, nice! Really liked that Boss chorus sound!
Thanks for watching Jerry!
I loved your explanation of how the compressor after the gains kind of "simulates" better the signal chain in a recording situation, after the amp's mic.
Applying the same concept to bass, would you have a compressor right after the bass for the DI sound to simulate the bass going direct to the board and on the amp the compressor would be after the gains?
If you have an XLR output, you could use the compressor right before or in the FX loop if your DI has it.
I have a boss IR-200 with an effects loop. So run it in that loop? Would you run it pre or post eq?
The Tomlin United tour was awesome!!!
Some heavy hitters on that tour! Some great guitar tones for eveyone!
Awesome video guys and thanks for sharing…
Our pleasure!
One of my first videos I saw from vertex and glad to see a part two. Board looks great. Congrats on 100k subs.
Welcome aboard!
While I have played both versions of the steel string before, I'm contemplating which one to get(Steel String Clean drive vs Steel String Supreme)... I play a lot of RnB, jazz, and funk and sometimes I want my tone to just slightly "pop" out a little more. I'm almost always using a compressor and articulation is crucial. They both sound incredible.
So glad you dig them! Thanks for the support!
Love my Diamond Tremolo and Boss Dimension = 2 Killer pedals. He is a great player. Nice tones. Great pedalboard. I am all about the crystal-Clean Amp.
Agreed!
As someone on the worship circuit, I can say that some of the most elaborate and expensive boards I’ve ever seen has almost always been in the praise and worship world. There is a specific kind of sound that is kind of “The Edge” inspired. These days amps are starting to disappear on stage and it’s either in an ISO box or direct from a amp/cab sim.
I think there are more expensive rigs in P&W at lower levels, but not overall compared to other genres when you get to the pro level and arena tours.
I wonder what Jesus would have to say about all of these elaborate and expensive pedalboards?
@@TorrieSeager depends on how many people the board moved to turn to Jesus ;-) lol
The best video you’ve done yet Mason, and It’s no coincidence that it’s with one of the best guitarists and human beings on the planet.
Thanks Landon!
My boards on hold awaiting your pedalboard topper.Hope it's coming soon! I need a 32"×16".Any idea of the cost for one?
Very soon! Not sure on price.
In the signal path section all the drives are before the Vemuram. Yet, When you get to dirty tones the drives are pictured after the Vemuram. So, what is the right signal path?
What time stamp are you speaking of?
@@VertexEffectsInc at 16.05 the drives are before the Vemuram. Which is consistent with what is explained at 8.00 minutes. In the dirty tones section (starting at 21.00 minutes) the drives are pictured after te Vemuram (in the bottom left corner).
Same for the lead tones starting 23.40.
I understand he has it there for volume swell purposes but by placing the boost where he does in the chain does that then cause his other drive pedals to push the boost into clipping?
I run an LPB-1 always on before my drive pedals, basically I'm just wondering if I could benefit from switching it to behind my drives
No, not if the boost has a lot of headroom, which our does. Our boost can't be clipped by any guitar gear, not even some pro audio gear. It's running +/- 12V rail to rail so you'd need some really hot line level signals to clip it, and even then it would be difficult. The LPB-1 isn't efficient like that, so it would clip in some cases, if you want to run a boost and not have any clipping from other pedals before it you need to go with something real high quality and high headroom like ours, the Creation Boost (Creation Audio Labs) is also very good for this if you didn't want to go Vertex.
that chorus sound is amazing!!!
DC-2W all day!
@@VertexEffectsInc It's a Killer
I don't use switchers. Tried a few of the higher end ones and they seemed to ruin my tone. Stay simple, it does great!!
EVERYONE should at least try running overdrive before the compressor, it actually sounds way better, adding some dynamics and attack that you just can’t get the other way around. I use a noise gate to mitigate the added noise, which isn’t noticeable while playing, for me at least. My compressor is always on, and I’ll add overdrive as needed. You get more sustain this way as well…
There are pros and cons to both. When the compressor is after, you get more noise (like you said). Also, your compression levels will change drastically as you switch through gain stages (because of the volume differences). Clean tones would most like barely hit the compressor, making it pointless in those moments. I do like the way it feels after since you get the full dynamics of the ODs, but there is no perfect answer
In France when I say to people there is such a thing as a « worship board », they dont believe me :-)
Well that's because it's fairly unbelievable. What's even more unbelievable is that people are open about it. They're not even embarrassed. It's bizarre to me - or perhaps everyone outside America.
It's a pretty big genre and subgroup/subculture for pedals, guitars, amps, and gear.
@@steveymoon if you were in the US and saw the whole genre a lot then you might understand.
Is it some kind of Pedalboard for “religious music”?
@@epilefsiul praise and worship is its own genre. lots of the guitars are really washed in tons of reverb and delay and the parts are usually very, very basic.
If you're going out from the TA Link via XLR - how do you plug the line into the front of an amp?
What's on the pedalboard is just he "SEND" side, there are separate "Receive" boxes for left and right that live on the amps that have an XLR input and 1/4" outputs to the amps.
@@VertexEffectsInc ahh, I figured it was something along those lines. Thanks for the reply!
Mason has a closet like a cartoon character, you open it up and it’s just 7 of the
same jean outfits
Ha...it's true. Fundamental V-Neck: shop.lululemon.com/p/mens-t-shirts/The-Fundamental-V/_/prod9960863, Howler Brothers Dust Up Denim Shirt: howlerbros.com/products/dust-up-denim-f21?color=1
Will the vertex risers fit on the pedaltrain boards? Congrats on 100k subs!!!!!
No, not without drilling and your case won't fit, but we are going to be making Pedaltrain Toppers soon to make PT boards into flat boards.
That is one sexy pedal board! I just got a pedaltrain. Im not sure if Vertex trade in the UK but i love the innovations here. The buffer effect loop looks interesting. as i just record at home with a large pedalboard, im not sure what stuff i would actually need. Its tempting to just go crazy and buy everything just incase! xD
I am embarrassed to admit....I have never heard Ben's name. Then, I am stunned at his abilities - which conjure "virtuoso"! I actually haven't heard of any of the people he has played with. It occurs to me that a publicist/promoter should be fired, or hired! The chord inversions are wonderful!
As if Keye Luke was saying, "Much to learn here, Grasshopper." Raise your hand if: "I didn't want to have to hit multiple buttons" is familiar. So he mastered the subtleties of pedal stacking - where subtlety is everything IMHO, like reverb into delay. Pedal board building could make a Karen out of Gandhi - so tempting to just give up and go multi effects unit, but you just can't get those darn subtleties. Other standouts: "wide" v "tall" "stand out without being louder" and the idea of guitar parts serving and supporting rather than shredding.
Well said! 👍
Thanks for watching Steve!
Doxology, nice!
Electrified! ⚡️
Great board build, great tones, great playing. For the haters: If you don't like a musical genre, don't listen. Music is a pretty diverse art.
Well said!
Thanks Bob. Mostly just critical of the amount of money spent on gear and how that is antithetical to the teachings of Jesus. Like having a 2,000 dollars worth of overdrive doesn’t line up with what Jesus preached in the bible!
Most excellent content as always....I really appreciate the knowledge you impart to us lovers of music! Really breaks the stagnation of mediocrity overload! Great friend and guest! ❤👍
Wow! Thanks for watching!
"The Doxology" intro FTW.
wouldn't the vertex boost, with its dual buffer, eliminate the need for the input buffer and output buffer from the buffer box and the ta link respectively?
Because of his needs and using the DI option it wasn't practical for that. We also added separate ISO transformers and polarity controls for one output.
How do you plug XLR into an amp from the TA link? I didn't quite understand that.
Hey! Awesome content. I really dig the Travel Lite pedalboards, any chance you ship to Europe? Or do you have any reseller over here?
What size board and riser is he using here?
It's a Tour Compact Board with a TC-4 riser but mounted to the left side instead of the right (which you can do on any of our pedalboards, they're all pre-drilled for left foot or right foot orientations).
Was hoping to hear more about managing 10 pedals without a switcher or a lot of tap dancing.
That would be a great video!
Thanks for watching!
Beautiful board! 👍🏽
Heck yea! Hey Kasper!
PS, my gushing about Ben was not meant to over-shadow your amazing technical guidance!
What is pitch generation? and which pedals do pitch generation?
Like a Pitch Shifter???
@@VertexEffectsInc Ben mention in the video he uses the pitch shifter pedal for pitch generation. I don't know what is pitch generation
@@VertexEffectsInc he might talking about using the pitch shifter as a bit crusher? reduce the bit rate
@@waynegram8907 based on the video and his style, I'd say he means pitch modulation...like an H3000 Micro Pitch Chorus tone.
People can hate on worship music or pedalboards for this genre all they want but it’s way easier to set up a rock or metal gig than it is to play worship gigs. Who cares about amp hiss and 60 cycle hum at a rock or metal show?! Nobody!
But playing ambient music to set a certain mood is definitely tricky with stage lights and single coil pickups and noisy pedals or power sources that aren’t ideal. It’s definitely an art form that takes a lot of time, money, and tweaking vs rock gigs where the noise is part of the experience.
I think to play either genre well and get good tones you need to take time and care into the process. I think to oversimplify either genre is problematic and not in the spirit of musicianship. Most of the best players I know, in any genre, are generally not hating on other people's music or tastes as they know the difficulty it takes to master a musical genre, no matter what it is.
@@VertexEffectsInc yea that’s true!
@@flyguyty33 😂
Awesome
Thanks for watching?
¡Qué buen video!
Thanks for watching!
That opening bit sounded like Pierce Pettis to me. 🙂 Until the drive kicked in.
Well... I have to wake up first! 😜😇
Ha!
I think octave pedals could work better after compressor.
Cool, do it!
@@VertexEffectsInc actually I use in my setup in that way.
Do people in the comments seriously not know that Christian worship music is a thing? It’s just a genre that has typical sounds associated with it. It’s the second biggest thing coming out of Nashville and has been a giant industry for decades.
Yep and it adds to the fucking elitist bullshit industry just like downtown Nashville. Christian worship bros are the worst no better than Brad Paisley.
Seem like it'd be hard to miss. It's one of the fastest growing music genres worldwide.
I wonder what Jesus thinks about turning worshipping into a “giant industry”?
@@VertexEffectsInc how does P&W differ from other popular forms harmonically/melodically?
@@TorrieSeager no need to ask me, you can read the Bible and pray to Him yourself. I’m not a fan of commercialization, but if millions of people are giving God glory and hearing the truth then there’s something to be glad for. Paul says “some preach Christ from selfish ambition” but “…whether in pretense or truth Christ is preached, and in this I rejoice.”
Who cuts Ben’s hair?
Never thought I'd see that style riser again
Ha!
@@VertexEffectsInc Just tell me this, is it a V3?
Awesome intro song....LET EVERY BREATH PRAISE THE LORD
Amen
UWU
Praise God from Whom all blessings flow
All hail Santa
Amen
All
All???
I have many pedals (+-25), quite expensive. Then I look at this pedalboard and I recognize only one (the clon remake), and I feel down, don't want to lay down any money for this (it always keeps changing to keep the business going).
If you watch the video of the pedalboard we made him 3 years ago, it's almost the exact same pedals. Most of stuff has been around for at least a few years if not closer to 10 in many cases.
After listening to this guy's worship tones, I found Jesus
Ha! Gsus!
@@VertexEffectsInc nice
.
If you ask me, this age of boutique pedals has set guitarists back 30 years. My old intelifex sounds better than any of this. One rack unit, one midi pedal, and a couple of dirt and compression pedals up front. Easier to use and better quality tone.
I have a Rocktron Intellifex, it sounds great for delays, reverbs, and chorus, no doubt, but I wouldn't say better, it's kinda a different thing, different sound, and really works better in a rack context with a preamp or line level output after the amp compared to in-series with stereo amps. I wouldn't call the quality better. There's also no way to make the comparison since you're not using this gear or are in the room to have a baseline.
What on earth makes this a "Worship Peddleboard"...odd
I suppose anything could be a worship pedalboard, just depends on how you're using it.
The Lord
Odd spelling of pedalboard also.
Because jesus came to this guy in a dream and told him he needed several 500 dollar overdrive pedals.