I wouldn't be so mad about Taka's death if he got an honorable one. You find his dead body and almost no one expresses concern. He was litterally the one trying to keep everyone together in the beggining and they give him such a weak, out of character death
Yeah, I was annoyed because everyone was really sad about Hifumi but then they didn't seem to care about Taka. It also seemed like his death was rushed. I mean, he didn't finish his arc at all and his death was just... boring. Like, he could have died in a more fitting way then getting bashed on the head and then beign forgotten
I feel like it would’ve been fitting if he died because he refused to vote in the second trail. The second trial involved a serial killer and a weirdo who defiled a body for funnies, and imagine your best friend turning out to have been the murderer. It would fitting for the ultimate moral compass to refuse to participate in a corrupt system as a way to fight back against the real villain and to die as a result. It would be another emotionally gut wrenching death in a very emotional case. Then again, I suppose it wouldn’t really add any new information for the player since uh…the same thing kinda happened with Mukuro, and I’m sure there’s a more satisfying way to wrap up his character arc. However, if the writers really wanted to get rid of him so quickly, might as well have him die in case two.
@@herelieslyss DEADASS! I have a fear of dying to another person’s hand,so if I were plopped into a KG like this,I’d immediately look for ways to (preferably painlessly) off myself. Actually.
Alt ego literally saves hem from the chp 2 case. Wich a character from chp 2 usually the victim dies too early causing them no able to connect with the player
Well, monokuma didn’t explain the class trials until *after* sayaka is dead right .. ? So she wasn’t going to blame naegi. She didn’t even know there was a class trial, she just thought if she killed leon she could escape and everyone else would live
@@cybersann4262 and I guess she asked makoto to change rooms before the plan because she didn't want her room to get bloodstains. She might've not known how the class trials work, but she was definitely pinning the murder on makoto regardless
I think the only character that could be made a case for surviving is Sakura. I think all the characters die at the appropriate times, for the narrative, but Sakura’s suicide is so upsetting, and it does well for motivation but it’s still like “cmon man”. People wanted to see her live and she died really the most selflessly.
@@PancakemonsterFO4 detective =\= loner. It's just Kirigiri's character to be a "mystirious" (well, the only mystery about her is why Kodaka likes her so much? The worst character in THH. Even Junko is much more fun, and Junko is also a mary sue)
Taka should’ve committed the double murder was way to complicated Celeste should’ve only killed Hifumi and Taka should’ve committed instead of Sakura and if they want Sakura dead she could sacrifice herself for the rest or something like that
“He’s basically the Sayaka that survived” Somewhere, in an alternate universe where Hiro actually died first: “She’s basically the Yasuhiro that survived”
I sometimes pair the cast of DR1 with themes to think What characteristics would survive a killing game. So: Sayaka: ambition/hunger Leon: apathy/laziness Chihiro: mental strength Mondo: physical strength Kiyotaka: moral Hifumi: belief Celeste: strategy Sakura: trust Mukuro: loyalty Junko: despair Aoi: emotion Byakuya: Logic Kyoko: truth Makoto: hope Toko: Self-preservation Yasuhiro: chance
Oops. You ever just love a character so much you accidentally write a freaking novel about their death? This is super long and I’m sorry but golly I wanted to talk about my fav DR character. I think Taka’s death is the only one in the series that legit wrecked me. It is honestly perfect in how utterly horrible it is in every way. It feels like his whole ark is designed to screw with him and my god it works so terribly well. Taka tries so hard throughout the game. Literally NOTHING he does is done halfheartedly; he’s always passionate, he’s always determined, he’s always bold and unforgettable. Taka always pushed everyone to be better and, even if his methods weren’t always tactful, his intent was always pure. Taka probably tries the hardest out of anyone to keep everything in order. His FTE’s show that, because of his intensity, he’s never been able to make friends. So, when he DOES finally make a friend, he falls into that relationship with the same passion he does with everything else. It’s clear that he deeply respects Mondo, likely because Mondo works hard and has morals despite his role as a gang leader . They're two of the hardest working characters I think, as neither of their skills are natural talent. Characters like Leon don't struggle to be great at what they do, but it's clear that both Taka and Mondo work themselves to the bone to be Ultimates Taka’s ark is designed to utterly destroy his optimism and hope. He’s given his first friend, only to watch him be brutally murdered. Not only that, but Taka has to realize that his only friend was a killer, someone who brutally murdered an innocent who came to him for help. For someone with such a black and white view on morality, to see a man who you think is so great do something so evil is mind shattering. It’s clear that Taka can’t face that reality, and so he utterly blames himself. I think Taka likely felt like he’d failed Mondo, that he was somehow responsible for his death. Just like Mondo with Diya, Taka carried the guilt of his brother’s death. To see such a bold character as Taka become so utterly muted and silent is horrific. Just like Junko wanted, Taka’s hope and idealism is utterly shattered. He no longer believes in his morals because his black and white view on morality has been challenged and defeated by Mondo’s gray morality. He no longer believes in the concept that effort triumphs all because he tried his best to save Mondo and failed. He no longer believes in his own integrity because he feels responsible for Mondo’s death. When I played the game, I was legit furious with the cast regarding how they treated Taka post chapter 2. It was so clear that he was DESPERATELY in need of help. He was utterly catonic and clearly hadn’t eaten since the trial. Despite that though, only Hiro and Makoto make even the barest efforts to help Taka. Even then, they honestly don’t do much for him. For the first time, Taka was in need of the utter passion he gave to everyone else. He needed someone who was determined to bring out the good in him, even if he himself wasn’t invested. In that moment, Taka needed his own Taka, someone to force him to take care of himself and be better. But in reality, Taka is alone. Nobody is as bold and brazen as Taka is. The only one who could match that energy was Mondo and, with Mondo gone, nobody has the passion to help him. To just add insult to injury, he was even killed in a mocking way. He was murdered with a ‘justice’ hammer because he was accused of a horrid crime. For the Moral Compass, there is no worse death than to die accused of rape and then bludgeoned with a tainted symbol of justice. I feel like Taka’s death reflects how totally he fades. I’m biased because he’s my fav, but I think Taka’s the least mourned over victim. Sayaka is mourned by Makoto, Chihiro is mourned by Mondo, Sakura is mourned by Hina. Hell, Hina also sheds a few tears for Hifumi last minute. In comparison, Taka is somewhat ignored. Even in the trial, it’s Hifumi, not Taka, who gets the focus. As horrible as it is, it’s fittingly despair inducing for such a loud and bold character to be ultimately ignored and forgotten the second he goes quiet. The only part I dislike is the whole Kiyondo thing, but I think it also has value. It’s like a twisted, self destructed version of what Taka once was, like he attempted to pull himself together with false hope and created an abomination of personality. All that being said...MAN I still wish that Hiro and Taka had swapped places! Taka was such a great character and I would have LOVED to see him raise above his loss and reclaim hope. Imagine how COOL trial 3 would be if Taka was accused instead. It would make sense to frame him; he'd clearly gone insane after the Mondo incident. He was always obsessed with morals so him dressing as Robo Justice would be somewhat in character. With his sudden personality shift, would it be too far of a stretch to say Taka did kill Hiro and Hifumi? Even those two victims makes sense, as they could both be seen as degenerates; Hiro makes a living off of scams and psychic ability while Hifumi’s a total creep. I’m not saying they’re bad people, but I could see Celeste claiming Taka thinks they’re bad people. Further, would Taka be able to deny the argument? Would he remember his time as Kiyondo and, if he did, would he trust his memory. It would definitely be interesting to have to convince Taka himself that he isn’t the culprit. Alas, that's all too hopeful for that part of the game. Instead, Taka is utterly crushed both metaphorically and literally. It reminded me of The Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka; both characters worked hard for those they felt responsible for, but when they needed help, they were ignored and eventually destroyed and discarded
You're not being biased when you say he is the least mourned victim. He really is. Honestly sometimes I see Taka's death as Junko's biggest win in the first killing game. Everyone's death is sad but Taka's death has to be the most despair inducing for the player. The man who worked so hard for everything died in complete despair. Honestly if you asked me why no one was trying to help Taka, I wouldn't be able to give you an answer. I really don't know why people weren't helping him. Yea maybe no one is close friends with him but no one was close friends with Hifumi or Chihiro either and people were devastated with their deaths so it is strange. I also understand why you want Taka to live instead of Yasuhiro. Yasuhiro doesn't really need to be there. He's just there for comedy and foreshadowing. Even though Taka's death wasn't impactful for the other characters, I do think it's very impactful for the player and he's one of my favorites for sure
@@DerpyHiro Yeah. Maybe Hiro living was just part of the whole despair of Taka's death. They left a character so obviously replaceable alive while killing someone who would've been great for the Future Foundation off. A final spit on Taka's grave.
I want to share this comment every where, u just typed literally every thought I’ve ever had abt takas situation. I feel like the way taka went out was perfectly terrible, but damn that hurt
It also made me mad when Celeste told Hifumi that he assaulted her. I don’t think she specified what kind of assault, but just the fact that Hifumi would EVER believe that Taka would hurt somebody makes my blood boil. Sure, you could argue that Taka had gone Super Saiyan and ‘merged’ with Mondo, but even then, Mondo has said that he would never hit a woman. It is so frustrating that Hifumi would ever believe Taka would do something so horrible, but I totally understand why. He has a crush on Celeste or something and he was mad that Alter Ego was stolen, so it’s in his character for Hifumi to believe such a dumb lie. That’s the reason why I like Hifumi and Celeste as characters but definitely not as well (if that makes sense)
Fun fact: sayaka and Leon died in the first chapter because the creators made their designs first and used them to use as an example while making other characters. The creators got bored of them fast which is why they died
@artsmith_0436 The Sayaka fan in me agrees with you, but my experience as a fangan creator thinks different. I did a very similar thing with my characters(didn't really develop my first blackened) and while it sucks, it happens
This is why they really should’ve added the Distrust system IMO. Everyone had potential to be a survivor, (or become executed) I still think there should always be a max of six survivors because it wouldn’t have much of an impact if everyone survived.
i totally agree! i was so upset when i found out the distrust system would've allowed for multiple endings with different casts because some of those deaths just hurt and i could name a couple characters that need to not be alive. but yea, cyoa stories are always my favorite, especially in visual novels if they're done well. as for the everyone surviving thing.... *coughs in danganronpa 2*
It's good that there are 6 survivors out of the 16 because if it were more like a horror game with a "final girl/guy" trope we would ask, why is this still allowed to continue?
The sad fact is that Leon and Sayaka were semi-canonly ( meaning its kind of confirmed, but not really) a couple before they lost their memories. It just made it more tragic and showed how the killing game affected everyone. Edit: So it's been a while since I wrote this comment and I have come to realize that it was Leon who had a crush on Sayaka. Them being in a relationship prior to the killing game was mostly speculation on my part, based on official art and some theories that I had heard of. Sorry for not making that part clear and unintentionally spreading misinformation. Still, I do believe that Leon killing Sayaka was tragic, since he had a crush on her but killed her to survive. Thanks for understanding and respectfully correcting me. 😊
Yeah, I noticed that in some of the pictures where they're both present they are really close, in one I even think Leon had his arm around Sayaka. I think it kinda works too, since Leon wanted to do music
@@BluebeerryBPS Yeah, I feel like the fact that he wanted to be a musician brought them close. But they ended up like this. As Celeste would say: "Such a tragedy"
I know they were friends and that Leon liked Sayaka but Sayaka liked Makoto, although eventually I felt that they would end up together because Makoto might fall in love with Kyoko: Sayaka and Makoto give me vibes of best friends and first crushes but that eventually they would settle for their platonic feelings to just be friends.
@@m.o.l.a6812 Makoto is to smart for Sayaka. Just his tendencies work better with Kyoko, no offense to Sayaka. But then again she's not very smart for thinking Leon was the best person to kill, considering he is pretty strong and obviously has reflexes strong enough to make him the ultimate baseball star
I wanted to comment because why not in my opinion for the first game and the argument of Taka: While I would’ve loved for my favourite character in the entire Danganronpa franchise to survive, I am going to be completely honest, he’d be miserable, starving and quite a depressing story to see go down. I can see 3 scenarios for his character: 1. He survives and gets proper development, making him viable for a survivor. However, down the line, his over expressions get annoying and his voice gets tangent. And he could also become hated. Here’s how I see this working without him being annoying: He loses Mondo, sad times boys, lost his best friend and (if rumours recently are true) lover. He is depressed and miserable but gets some hope from Alter Ego’s Mondo. Celestia tricks Hifumi to kill Yasuhiro. This is the problem, how would Celestia be able to convince Hifumi? Sure Hifumi can be naive but I doubt he’s so naive to kill someone who’s done nothing wrong. But we’ll get onto this later. They put all the evidence on Ishimaru since Ishi and Hifumi had that argument over who keeps Alter Ego longer (I guess you can tell who I wanted to :p) and Ishimaru’s breakdown during the trial and losing more hope could be interesting. Talking about how he’ll be happy to see Mondo again. But then Celestia slips on her tongue and gets herself executed. Ishimaru would see from this that the people around him are his friends, and that he can trust people. Possibly becoming someone like Kyoko but less intelligent. And his weakness is being extremely emotional and hurting Sakura in some way by blaming her for Mondo’s death (again another plot hole I can not make my mind up with) and runs away. Causing conflict with everyone. He redeems himself by apologising to Aoi. And after this trial, is Makoto’s trial where he gets ‘executed’. Taka lost another friend. And he feels his hope begin to tank. And when Kyoko brings back Makoto, Ishimaru could be so overwhelmed with emotion again and hug Makoto. Having a nice bro moment. And mastermind yada yada. Get this gist. While yes, this development is excellent for Ishimaru. He learns that everyone wants to be his friend and that he can move on from Mondo enough to not be depressed. But there’s some issues. Like why would Hifumi kill Yasuhiro? What would his conflict be with Sakura and Aoi? While I would’ve loved Ishimaru to have survived. I can’t see this being a great possibility. Then there’s the flip side where he’s all miserable and doesn’t help. Again, making him possibly annoying without good writing. After all, he wasn’t eating after Mondo’s execution and you can tell by his sprites. 2. Taka commits suicide in Sakura’s place. This sounds brilliant at first, it makes sense and not only that, that was the original idea for Ishi. However... there’s some dilemmas. Ishimaru is established to have a hard time making friends. And Mondo was his first and now he’s broken after losing him. While yes, suicide makes sense for a man who isn’t eating and lost his only friend, this doesn’t seem very good plot wise. While yes it would’ve made Sakura a survivor (which I would’ve loved to see over Yasuhiro-), Sakura dying was a very important part of the story and conflict thanks to Aoi. Ishimaru didn’t have a strong connection with anyone but Aoi. And if his friendship with Alter Ego began, it wouldn’t be good enough like Aoi’s since Alter Ego is just a laptop really. Ishimaru’s death would have little impact on anyone besides Makoto. But I feel like Makoto bottles up so it wouldn’t give much of an effect. There’s also the plot holes of Hifumi killing Yasuhiro again. Which I can’t find a reason. And sadly 3: Ishimaru gets his character development cut short by Hifumi and Celestia’s hammer. It’s sadly perfect in a way. People always see the good for Taka’s development and don’t realise the other two problems with the other two scenarios. Taka’s death with packed with despair for the player since we cared for him and seeing just after her lost Mondo, he died is a perfect way to make the player feel how this killing game truly affects you. I still do see flaws in this but they aren’t nearly as big as the other 2. I am saddened his character development got cut short and out of everyone you could argue to be a survivor, Ishimaru is perfect, the perfect candidate compared to YaSuHiRo however these plot holes can’t be written out. Plus, they would’ve probably worsened his character which is a saddening thought. Which is why Ishimaru had to die in chapter 3 and couldn’t be a survivor. Yes. This hurt to write.
or maybe, celeste would try to get hifumi to kill taka but this time taka wouldn’t die, and because hifumi didn’t kill him, celeste killed him out of anger. then, taka could go on to live. as for hiro? tbh, i wouldn’t have had such a problem with him living if taka had lived. so maybe hiro straight up wouldn’t die either? or maybe they could make it weird where he kills sakura, but that’s pretty out of character. i’d just rly like taka to live lmao.
Maybe (hear me out), Celeste targets Yasuhiro due to his simple mindedness and sends Hifumi with the pledge to kill him, she tells him that Hiro had not only harrassed all the girls, he bullied and manipulated all the guys expecially Taka, this angers Hifumi so he sets out to find him Later on, Hifumi finds Yasuhiro and challenges him to a duel where if one loses the other has to kill the one that lost (in a similar fashion to DR2s 4th chapter) and hifumi wins and you know where this is going Yeah i just want Taka to survive
honestly, I would've loved for taka to bond with Makoto more during the game in the same way that Chiaki bonded with Hajime. There could've been optional events where Makoto uses his Ultimate Hope talent (that he doesn't know he has at the time) to inspire Ishimaru in a more healthy, friendly way, helping Ishimaru slowly recover from Mondo's death in a more realistic manner. Makoto and Yasuhiro could play pivotal roles in supporting his recovery, so instead of going super Saiyan and shit and becoming more annoying, he mellows out and although he remains kinda quiet and more reserved, slowly gets his spunk back and instead of being a hard-headed, obnoxious (probably more hated by fans) character, is more of a friendly, rule-abiding, helpful force during class trials- again, similar to Chiaki but obviously still retaining his hard-working, wholesome/innocent, selfless, passionate personality, slowly getting back his loud self but with newfound wisdom and gratitude. I think it would make for a good plot. And honestly, I would've loved for Ishimaru to survive but as a more developed character. I think he was robbed. With Celeste's whole trial, I think she wouldn't have gone so out of character at the end. I think she would've mantained a facade even at the very end, aside from dropping her accent. But I think it would've made for a more twisting and turning trial for her to not have a freak out and make it obvious that she was the killer behind it all. So even in the end, everybody's unsure they've made the right choice until Monokuma's judgement. I think she could've been manipulating Hifumi from the beginning in something of an abusive(?) relationship. Making him feel like he's nothing without her and then telling him she wants to escape with him. Maybe even using his sister against him, because she's the only one he showed his first motive to. Maybe as the ultimate gambler, from the beginning she manages to swindle most of the characters out of their motive videos, showed them all the Hifumi and was like: "look at how useless these people are that they care about. Toko cares for nothing but a stink bug, Byakuya hardly even batted an eyelash at his motive video" ect ect, "are all these people who the others don't even care about worth the life of your beloved sister? She's waiting at home for you, y'know? Probably really scared and terrified." I think her trial could've been so much more. a battle of wits between Kyoko, Makoto and Celeste. Pointing out evidence that she deflects back at them and twisting their words. maybe her facade only falls momentarily. I think that it would've been so much cooler if her only slip up wasn't something stupid like Hifumi saying her name when he wasn't dead yet, but rather a miscalculation. That would probably hurt her so much more to know that she failed based on HER OWN SKILLS and not on the idiocy of her partner. In this situation, I think that she may have manipulated Hifumi, but she wouldn't have killed Taka and I think that while she may have used Alter Ego as part of the motive for Hifumi, I think that maybe Hifumi is more selfless, charismatic and funny in this version and less of a weirdo. While he'd still make references and stuff, he may be more respectful and probably more embarrassed about the work he shares- more modest and stuff. Which would make him more of a perfect bully victim for both Toko and Celeste. There could have been more events where it's shown that there's a bully issue between Hifumi and Celeste and between Toko and Hifumi. It would've made Toko play a bigger role in the killings that occurred, because this feeling of isolation where he can only rely on Celeste and Alter Ego would present more of a motive for him to kill someone and try to escape with Celeste. Maybe Toko would actually feel guilty and get some character development of her own, realising she was partially the reason that Hifumi felt alone and like he could only turn to Celeste. I feel it could be the first instance of Toko growing a back bone and wanting to improve herself so that something like this never happens again, which would lead into the intense development she faces in Ultra Despair Girls, like the planting of that seed. Maybe Celeste gets Hifumi to try to kill Kyoko because she knows that Kyoko is the only person who could really solve the crime and she doesn't want to leave any chance behind. Plus she decides that even if it fails because of Kyoko's implied combat skills (she states that she's leaving her door open and that anybody planning to take advantage of that should watch out because she's not going down without a fight), she'll be finding out a little bit more about her opponent as it is, anyways and save killing for another time. Essentially, she makes a gamble. And Hifumi fails in killing Kyoko (oops), only managing to knock her out or something. Celeste realises she's still alive but decides they can actually use this. Celeste takes Kyoko to the infirmary and tells Hifumi to target someone who she knows will be out at this time because she's been keeping an eye on everyone's schedules (after all, the night time rule was meant to control them, so she knows who usually abides by it and who doesn't). Yasuhiro, in this case, doesn't abide by it because he's just downright stupid and wants a midnight snack, but he's also a huge coward so he only goes out at a specific time when he thinks everyone's asleep. Except Celeste isn't asleep and has seen him do it multiple times. He's just never caught her. Anyways Hifumi goes ahead and demolishes him while he's in the kitchen and actually kills him this time. They decide to put the blame on Aoi because she's also stupid, and from a story perspective, it would make Sakura a main opponent in the trial as well, trying to defend Aoi as well. Ishimaru plays more of a devils advocate role during the trial, trying to think of alternative theories. So they frame her and maybe Celeste manages to lock pick her room, drug her and dress her up in some dark robes (which would be the costume alternative to the stupid robo justice stuff that is just super unplausible). However, they had originally tried to pin the blame on Hagakure so the robes themselves are too big for her and would be really inefficient for killing people in. So, back to Kyoko, Celeste takes Kyoko to the infirmary and (lesbo ship moment?) stays with her the while night, looking after her and what not, tending her head back to health and stuff and saying she just found her like that or something when Kyoko actually wakes up. And like that'd be Celeste's alibi for the night. I dunno the logistics, but I think that they could still do the whole run after the killer thing but more believable. Still, I think Ishimaru could be a good asset to the final group if he underwent more realistic character growth and didn't go all super saiyan just because alter ego put on the face of his dead best friend. Edit: also if Ishimaru's recovery was assisted by Hagakure himself, it would show a good contrast between Ishimaru going completely numb upon Mondo's death, to being sad but trying to move forward and advance towards freedom, carrying the deaths of his friends along side him as he tries to escape not only for his sake, but for their sake as well. Because Hagakure and Makoto both taught him about hope. Also the happy relationship between Hagakure, Ishimaru and Makoto could've given some real character depth to Hagakure and made him a loveable, well missed character, showing the goodness and charity in his heart (even if he's a massive coward and a cheapskate).
@@Someone-or8tp i love this idea. it would make hiro important, too, so him being a survivor wouldn’t be as strange. but idk if you noticed, but i think that halfway through you started referring to taka as toko? anyway, you still got the point across and i would actually love if it’d played out like that.
the unfortunate truth about danganronpa is that most of the characters will die right before their development starts or finishes, simply due to the nature of the game itself. additionally, in the 3rd chapter an extra character will always be sacrificed just to create further conflict, causing their death to be overlooked. it sucks but that’s just how the game is.
Yeah that would make sense since they both have experienced the death of their friends and Taka overcoming his sadness to comfort some who also had it happen to them would make a nice bond
Yeah. It would require a bit of a rework on the fourth case to make the suicide still work but I think that Taka supporting Aoi's side in the trial would be interesting Or maybe him being the one to calm her down would also work as a form of character development. Idk. While I get *why* Yasuhiro lived I still think that in a perfect world Taka should've been the one to live, but that would require a massive rework on the 3rd and 4th trial.
i wish Taka had survived instead Hiro cause i think he could be entretaining, sinse mondo died he probably would be kinda confuse, in chapter 4 he probably would enter in panic and about chapter 3 it would make more sense if celeste put the blame on Taka cause he wanted to see alter ego, the reason Hiro was proven inocent it's because he didn't have a motive (also he's dumb) and it would make sense that he got more paranoid after his "brother" die edited cause i add one spoiler to udg and i don't think you played yet
Also it was kinda disappointing seing him so pumped up and then getting killed by Celeste immediately after, and Hagakure could annoy the shit out of Celeste as well
I wish Taka had lived, but it was better than the alternative they had set for him... he was supposed to be the one that commited s*****e instead of Sakura.
He never could be a survivor unless Mondo wasn't turned into butter as he was bound to starve from starvation as he hadn't eaten anything ever since Mondo's death.
Out of curiosity which survivor for 2 don't you like? I'm also planning to do the same type of video for Danganronpa 2 so it would be good to hear other people's perspectives
DerpyHiro If I could change a character it would be Sonia for hiyoko. So I think you could easily have Sonia die instead of hiyoko in chapter 3 because Sonia was the one who told hiyoko about the mirror in the music venue. The way I see it could have gone down is Sonia tells Hiyoko about the mirror in the music venue same as before but instead Hiyoko doesn’t go to grab the mirror because she’s was being paranoid that chapter from the despair disease. This could result in Sonia deciding to go to grab the mirror for Hiyoko instead and then the rest of Sonia’s death happens like how Hiyoko died. This would give Hiyoko guilt over Sonia’s death and inspire growth. The only problem I have with this is I don’t know how Sonia’s death would affect Kazuichi if it would affect him positively or negatively. As for why Sonia is the one I would get rid of for this I don’t think Sonia did anything to important for the story that someone else could have and she didn’t feel integral to the story when I think someone like Hiyoko had so much more room to grow.
I just noticed how someone else in the comments said that they would keep the survivors of the 2nd game and add Hiyoko just never have her die and the problem I have with this is the fact that the 3rd chapter murder is meant to be a double murder to parallel the first game which adds something for the player to think about and makes the character consider the fourth murder a suicide even if it wasn’t one technically
@@erkbestmage9740 Yea they do address that in chapter 4. Although to be fair it's a small portion of chapter 4 when they go through each case and see how its a parallel to Danganronpa 1 so I feel like they didn't need that part and one of the characters could just have a suspicion that this was suicide because it would be really difficult to kill Nekomaru. But I can still see why you would replace Hiyoko with Sonia
@@erkbestmage9740 I think 2-3 would have been better if there was only 1 victim, and then the killer tried to kill themselves, making the player think that there are two victims. Heres how i would do it: Ibuki kills Mikan after getting her memories of being a despair back and also because Mikan was purposefully keeping her hospital patients sick by draining their blood so she could take care of them. Then Ibuki tries to hang herself after killing Mikan but Hajime saves her in the nick of time - he was looking for her because she was missing. Ibuki is really weak and passes out and in the trial everyone thinks that Ibuki attempted suicide after descovering Mikan's body but Hiyoko keeps pressing and outs Ibuki as the killer.
A lot of the surviving casts would be pretty hard to change without some big re-writing, but the idea is interesting. If I had to change one character's fate in this series, though, I'd have to say... People may hate me for this, but my pick would be Hiyoko. Her death in the second game really wasn't all that necessary (the only reason she died was because she just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time), and it didn't add much to things on top of being a pretty big waste. Perhaps Mikan could have still spotted her at the scene and used that to attempt to frame her? They could easily have used the third trial to have her contribute to things a bit and open the way for some development; out of everyone Hiyoko was the one who tore into Mikan the most, and with Mikan arranging the scene to frame her, of course most of the cast would be inclined to believe sweet, caring, timid Mikan over the unpleasant brat who's been slamming them all up to now. Nobody would be on Hiyoko's side at first, and this would devastate her. She'd been a massive prick or even an outright bully to all of them, and would now be getting ganged up on in turn now. Doesn't feel so good, does it? Of course, Hajime being Hajime, he'd sense that something isn't adding up and work to point the finger away from Hiyoko - and of course everyone including Hiyoko herself would be confused as to why. But eventually he and Chiaki would work out the facts of the trial, Nagito would do his bit where he'd put Mikan on the spot, and Mikan would finally reveals her true colors with her returned memories as normal. This sudden 180 would probably be even more shocking than before, and Hiyoko would be utterly stunned - this lady had always been annoying to her, but to have this clumsy, timid, blubbery crybaby suddenly turn out to really be like THIS? In this moment, Hiyoko would find this TERRIFYING. It's a perfect opportunity for who we'll call "True" Mikan to really sting back at Hiyoko and call her out on her crap, too; pointing out that until just a while ago, absolutely nobody had been on her side and that out of this whole despicable, disgusting bunch of bullies, she was the worst of them all bar none. And the worst part would be, well, that Mikan would be right about that! Hiyoko would of course try to come up with some sort of retort, but... for the first time, she wouldn't be able to. She'd just be totally broken for a little while. But then, while Mikan would be doing her best to pick apart Hajime's various deductions from here, she'd still try to play it up like she wasn't the culprit and would sort of mock the others. They dared to try defending the little nuisance, and THIS was the best they could come up with? What would Mahiru think of this, she'd wonder... And that's where she'd push it too far and grab Hiyoko's attention again. What did she just say...? Mahiru had been the one person who had put up with Hiyoko's shenanigans and actually been very kind to her. She was the closest thing Hiyoko had had to a friend on this god-forsaken island, and this stone-cold psycho, this... BITCH had the gall to mock her?! She would NOT stand for it, and would decide to quit her useless moping around... for now... to bring this to an end, possibly even helping Hajime re-examine his evidence some more (of course in her weird obnoxious way) and effectively bringing a decisive end to the Trial herself. The end of the trial would proceed as normal, but afterward Hiyoko would sort of vanish from the radar for a short while. This Mikan bitch had turned out to be a terrifying psychotic freak, but... The things the late Ultimate Nurse had said upon her little heel-turn would have gotten under her skin. She was right. And she'd almost paid a very hefty price... as had the rest... all because of her bits of fun. Even without that, everybody else had been dead-set against her and ganged up on her at the Trial's start. Had she really been that awful to them? Maybe she deserved it after all... I could see her from there making some efforts to change her attitude, albeit slowly and somewhat awkwardly, and perhaps doing more to try and help in the investigations and trials ahead since she showed a pretty sharp eye for details in the ending stretch against Mikan. And while I don't know if she'd exactly be _friends_ with some of the others, per se, I could see her warming up a bit and being far less of a jerk to Hajime and Chiaki since they were the first to effectively step in and defend her when no one else would (although this would come with the unfortunate side effect of her likely becoming attached to Chiaki - and we already know what happens to her).
I’m actually glad Toko survived because of her character development in UDG. We got to see what caused her to be the judgmental person she was in THH and she’s still my favorite character atm.
I agree with you. The only ones out of place, would be Celeste and Hifumi. I mean, they were there to play their parts, and they are important to the plot, It’s just their motives that comes off as weak and odd. But that is all. Their deaths were mostly there to show Aoi’s emotional side for her classmates, the doubt surrounding Yasuhiro, and an overall complicated mystery.
Celeste just couldn't stand living with people that she despises anymore so she took the chance to Graduate, the money was just there to make the deal sweeter turning it into a gamble, something she was highly sucessful of in the past. Hifumi was just a useful idiot baited by a false rape accusation
Uh, thanks for noticing this 3 months old comment. ^v^, Well, I started to understand more of Celeste’s motive, and I’d say it is not bad, though a lot of it is left for interpretation. And as for Hifumi, weeell... It is plausible indeed, it’s just a bit.. underwhelming. But I can see where he’s coming from.
Celestia is one of my fav Danganronpa characters. I sometimes think what would've happened if Celestia survived ? Would she have grown close with the survivors? I could see her having a massive character development and growing close with the others, it would've also been interesting to see her in Future Arc. However her personality and morals were very well suited for a killer.
@@HawaiianBoy808 she did seem to have a liking to Byakuja and Kirigiri but would absolutely hate Hagakure (thus making him the Suspect). I think she would have made a good Agent if she survived
I'd also say that the Joke hahaha character always survives which is Hiro and Kazuichi, so by that logic Miu should have survived, also Hina is the most emotional survivor from THH she also is the only person to cry at somebody's death (that wasnt their close friend)
idk if the anime counts but it shows makoto crying at the end of the second trial, so that could count for chihiro or mondo, neither of which he was close to
I think celeste could be an amazing survivor, heres why, since taeko was revealed she couldve revealled it in ch3 trial and became a nicer character and be refered to as taeko or yasuhiro for the rest of the game. Who she should replace? I think prolly hiro. You could trick everyone into thinking celestia did it and yasuhiro saying it was her when it was him all along.
Also she could fight hina and team with Togami in a way, or she could work with rest of the gang to go against him. I think the ladder would be btter and make it seem as if Taeko was a good person and she went as Celeste to seem as if she wasnt as weak as she is.
Honestly I think she kinda knew about the apocalypse. She was kinda hinting to it when she said they should stay there, and it would explain the sudden change to kill, the castle would be for safety
I feel like Makoto's optimism is just a personality trait they gave him so that the player (who knows he's invincible) doesn't have massive cognitive dissonance when their character thinks he's gonna die.
I love how you actually look at each character critically instead of just boiling it down to whether you like them or not. You take the characters and look at both their good and bad traits, and not only that, you then explain how they effect the narrative structure and the impact on the story. I think this is one of the best critical looks at danganronpa I've seen in a long time, since usually when people talk about these games they just take what's given to them and don't look into the subtext at all.
I think Taka should have survived in place of Hiro and have Hiro die in chapter 3. Taka would show us that even though his only friend died he can still move on showing us true hope.
I agree!! During my first play through, I didn’t really think about Taka during the first chapter, but during the second chapter I did his fte before the case started and it HURT to see him suffer like that, and despite that he still tried (even though he failed) to remain strong and not break. I would have wanted to see Taka live throughout the game, watch him get over Mondo and Chihiro’s death, and see him in the final cast. I think that he should have replaced Yasuhiro honestly.
Tbh Leon and Taka are the only ones whose deaths i wouldv'e avoided or completely changed, they're such interesting characters and i beleive their deaths really fall short
It is but I'm planning to make this a mini series for all 3 of the games. It just so happened that for the first game I really wouldn't change any of the survivors. I don't really think the title being misleading is bad since it's still on topic but if that annoys people my bad. It wasn't my intention
Nice job on this one, I basically agree with everything in the video. The only thing I really wanted was Chihiro to survive cause oh my god my heart sank for everything about the best boi but that’s just me.
I get what you mean by saying that Taka's death was supposed to be the despair for the player, and damn well it works, cause I'm gonna do my version of how he could survive so I see many arguments saying that he should have died because that he is depressed after Mondo was killed, and I think that should be his character development. Taka should have learned how to move on, learning how being sad and shut-in wouldn't help anyone, and how his death would basically killing Mondo's legacy. A thing that I think could also be a good arc is realizing how morality isn't black and white. Someone who you looked up too, can do some nasty things, and I feel like that would relate to his backstory, how he sees his grandfather as an antagonistic figure in his life, maybe realizing that his grandfather and family isn't as bad as he thought. This could also relate back to Mondo, and I do think this arc should have started ever since he became friends with Mondo. Mondo is the complete opposite of Taka, he breaks the law, he has a biker gang, and he is, again, a murderer. Taka would have learned (in a subtle way) that maybe there are some gray areas in morality, and for that belief to be crushed down when Mondo was revealed as a killer. He could have thought that, when someone is bad, they stay at it, and to relearn it all again, in a more focused way. For someone with such a black and white view on morality, hell, being the ultimate moral compass, he is surrounded by many people who are in between or in the gray area. I feel like that would be such an interesting arc for him if he had survived. This idea isn't that new, but plot-wise, basically having Taka and Hiro, switch. Taka being framed for killing Hiro and Hifumi isn't far off, consider he is already unstable with Kiyondo. After chapter 3 however, I think he would have sided with Byakuya. Again, this is where he would have relearned that gray morality. He would still have this "bad people would never change" and consider Sakura was revealed as the traitor, he would definitely side with Byakuya. After Sakura's death, however, he would have been surprised, and more so during the trial. Therefore, this is where he would have relearned that lesson. I think Taka could have also bonded with Aoi after the trial, with both having their best friends dead, in such a gray morality area. Taka would have comforted and apologized towards Aoi, and they could help each other move on. and then mastermind reveals, and yatta yatta, things shouldn't be so different afterward. I'm not good at writing, nor does my ideas were never said before, I think I saw 3 comments similar to mine and it's pretty similar to what I wanna say, so yea, thanks for reading, I guess
Reminds me on Hiyoko who first gets her best friend killed and then once she slowly started to behave herself killed as well. At least Fujuhiko managed to survive (also literally every survivor in V3 looses someone dear to them, except for Shuichi, he looses Kaito as well as Kaede)
I completely agree. I think the survivors of ALL the games have a purpose, whether they're fan favorites or not. I wouldn't change any of the survivors of any of the games, because, even though I don't really like some of them, I think the surviving casts all have lots of chemistry and work really well together.
I like the fact that Celeste died (hear me out ok?) because when I first start playing a story game like danganronpa or watch an anime I go the the character list and pick out a character that I want to “be” and see what happens to “me” in the series. When I first saw Celeste I thought that she would be a very important character because her design was so striking and different. The fact that she died represents to me that no matter how important you look your still vounerable to the killing game
DR1 definitely has the best surviving cast and I wouldn't change it. For DR2 I would have the survivors be the same but add Hiyoko, chapter 3 in this game didn't need 2 victims. V3 had my least favourite survivors because it feels like they just tried to get a low number of survivors, even having Keebo blow himself up for no reason. My ideal survivors for V3 would be Shuichi, Angie, Miu, Rantaro and Ryoma
also keebo literally doesn't have a personality anymore besides being the audience surrogate by the very end of the last trial so i don't know what kind of life he could have even if he survived
I agree with you on the parts regarding DR1 and DR2, but not on V3. I think Ryoma's character development involves his death and there weren't many other ways to make use of his view on life without him dying (and he's a good contrast for Kirumi's character). If Rantaro lived, the mysteries of the killing game would be solved very easily using his survival perk. His death is also similar to the Impostor in DR2, he dies at the beginning because the truth that he wasn't Byakuya would appear early on. Angie wouldn't have a lot to work with since her personallity and beliefs don't allow much character growth. Her death is also important to Himiko's development and if she lived the cult she created would still exist and it would be weird for the group to be divided into Angie's followers and tthe others the entire game. Miu's death is also very important because it leads to Kokichi's plan to make everyone think he's the mastermind, which is really impontant to the plot. She couldn't be switched witn another person because she was the only one that had an intention to kill someone and the only one that seemed plausible to have that intention.
agree but for v3 in my opinion would be shuishi(best protag in my opinion),tenko(if himiko was killed she could have a deep character development, also i think it would be cool if after himiko's death she started training with shushi,kaito and maki)and rioma or kaito(rioma deserved more development and i just liked kaito)
@@arthurmorita4524 I feel like Korekiyo and Rantaro could make for interesting survivors. If Tenko ended up retaliating against Angie because she was going to do the ritual and it was presented as much more dangerous it could work. Korekiyo could find out she's gonna confess and use the seance as a coverup for the complete ritual, robbing Tenko of redemption and Himiko a chance at reconciliation in exchange for Rantaro. It could all play out the same way, and none of the council members would be there to notice there was something off minus Keebo (because let's face it Himiko wouldn't). But instead of making everything clear, the new Rantaro just raises more questions. Unbeknownst to even himself, he's just another lie mule for the true mastermind.
Have you ever watched Total Drama All Stars? Because Mike literally cured his DID with a press of a button. It's so offensive to everyone. Who's better: Toko or Mike?
I was disappointed that Chihiro wasn't actually transgender, but as a transgender woman myself, I'd be a hypocrite to not take identity seriously, so I do appreciate your post!
Ok i realized that Taka and Rantaro both died for the same reason... Their talent #1(Taka) He showed up to the meeting with Hifumi because he is the ultimate moral compass. #2 (Rantaro) He died because Tsumugi (the mastermind) didnt want Rantaro to know his Talent.
From what I’ve heard most of the Danganronpa fandom find Danganronpa 3 (especially the Future arc) to be a really mixed bag. So I’m not completely sure about your first point. And it doesn’t hurt to have the occasional alternate timeline. Kinda like what the Fate series is doing.
I would keep Chihiro and throw in Hifumi in his place, and Yasuhiro in the third chapter. Chihiro would have a chance to develop more, and Mondo could kill Hifumi because A: He doesn't like how Hifumi made Chihiro so uncomfortable, and B: Hifumi STILL does have the confidence that Mondo can lack. The want to do something greater with his art. Celeste DID use Yasuhiro to frame him, so that could even go a bit darker too. She could frame it as a murder suicide. But she left a little too much evidence and gets caught.
I honestly agree that the survivors were the perfect choices. You have each character with a different personality and not one is similar. It’s a cast with great dynamic and I don’t think anyone else would have been better!
I think that Celestia would cause two conflicts: 1. She would help Togami in creating an emotions vs facts conflict 2. She would create a conflict truth vs lie. She wouldn't trust anyone and anything. Celestia would also say that sometimes lies are better than truth. I think that Celesti should have been the 7th sutvivor/be a survivor instead of Yasuhiro
@@somebody8927 Actually, it is implied that Celestia has some sort of a crush on Makoto, so I think she would rather stay friends with Kirigiri and Makoto (possibly becoming the canon "waifu" for Makoto lol)
Taka been the culprit in the third trial would make much more sense than Celeste. he would kill hifumi and yasuhiro, and know Celeste could be a survival and make some interactions between her and byakua which can lead to toko getting jealous and maybe getting a development.
I wish Sakura and Chihiro had survived, Chihiro had so much potential and sakura's death was outta the blue, but without Chihiro Mondo's execution and backstory stuff wouldnt have had the same "punch"
Hagakure and Toko (pretty sure it's her and not Syo) have this really wonderful and funny exchange in either Chapter 4 or 5's class trail where they strangely get along for a bit and for that alone, I am fine with their survival (amongst other things of course).
I always liked Toko Fukawa from the beginning yet thought she would end up as a victim. I was happy she survived and made it out. And her role in UDG made her one of my all time favourite Danganronpa characters due to her massive character developement.
I personally think taka should’ve lived longer I’m not sure how I feel about him surviving but at least let him live another chapter and adapt some things because I feel like an just one more part of a chapter or could’ve done wonders to his writing. Or even develop more with him in chapter three instead of focusing on the alter ego, Hifumi, taka triangle subplot as much as they did.
Couldn't agree more with your points! I think the cast of the first game was really great in terms of how they reacted to the situations they were put in, not only the survivors, but all the ones who died. It made me really feel for them. Even though the future games improved a lot of things, the characters were never as realistic, grounded and relatable as the DR1 cast.
can we get some love for yasuhiro like my god he gets so much hate. Yeah he wasn’t as important as he could have been but he’s just adorable in end of hopes peak. Just watching him be incompetent while Naegi, Aoi, and Kirigiri are trying not to die, while its annoying to some people, was hilarious to me. Toko was an absolutely required survivor since she’s the perfect teammate for Komaru. Byakuya is probably my second favorite character in this game, but im not being bjased when i say he played i giant role after the first game and his death would have fucked up everything. He helped to convince Hajime to stop the game, he saved Naegi from being killed because of Ryota’s stupidity, he saved Komaru. If he wasn’t there, everything would be different. And also makoto. He might be slightly boring in the game, but his actions after he escapes really makes him even more important. He gets told to fucking commit suicide just because someone is suspicious of him, lets that same someone attempt to kill him, then use what he’s figured out by that person’s actions alone what their forbidden action is, and puts him in a situation where he has no choice but to listen to him if he wants to leave all in one anime while being beat up every 3 minutes. His actions are amazing and his personality is even better. Just seeing him being so optimistic is adorable. This next thing I’m going to write about has major spoilers for end of hopes peak and danganropa 2, so turn away now. Makoto in Danganronpa 2 is amazing. Seriously, i just love it. When you’re walking the halls of the abandoned school hajime sees Alter ego, and after Monokuma steps im, Naegi speaks to hajime directly from the outside which gave me fucking chills. When you get to the graduation ceremony and a fake makoto comes it was so creepy and i loved it. The way his dialogue is just slightly different, the way you figure out he’s fake by asking about the code is amazing. Speaking of the code, even better. I just like how he says the code was from a friend to help him when he was in need, and he sets it 11037 is just heartbreaking. When he comes in he tries to convince hajime to start the shutdown sequence but doesn’t force it onto him. He tells them all the full truth (despite byakuya’s protests) and lets them make their own decisions. Then, in end of hopes peak, he gets told someone from the first killing game will die because of him. When its revealed to be Kirigiri and they see her forbidden action was having Naegi alive in the fourth round, Naegi fully admits that he would have killed himself to save her. Him actually trying to kill himself after that actually scared me half to death. Honestly it was the first time in danganronpa i thought i would literally scream. I didn’t. But still. Him just getting smacked into the wall to stop him because someone FUCKING CUT OFF THEIR HAND JUST TO STOP THE KILLER was amazing. I fucking love future arc if yall couldn’t tell. He is being put on trial for treason at the start of the show and doesn’t back down at all. He is faced with death and just keeps going multiple times. And this is why Naegi is the best character from danganronpa 1. Despite all the shit that happens to him he just keeps going. He looks forward but doesn’t try to erase the past. I honestly look up to him. Also he can rock a suit which should count for something seriously what the fuck why don’t people ever talk about that-
I think it would have really weakened both the chapter 5 and 6 mysteries. the fact that mukuro (as junko) died so early really sold the fact that no one suspected her, so if mukuro had lived the mystery would be a lot easier to see coming.
Celeste is by far my favorite character in the Danganronpa universe, so I came up with how she could have influenced the story should she not have died. Celeste uses her influence to control those who are weaker. It’s why she uses Hifumi to kill Taka (I rally hope I’m remembering this right it’s been a while). Ultimately, the best way for Celeste to have survived he trial was to not kill Hifumi, as Hifumi would be considered the Blackened. Another option (I also don’t know if this is possible within the rules) would have been to have only Taka’s body be discovered, then having the trial focus in his death, resulting in the culprit being the deceased Hifumi. Regardless of how it happens, Celeste makes it to Chapter 4. She needs a new person to control so that she can remain in power. The only person who is a viable target is Hiro, a target Celeste would have no problem taking over. In my mind, the overall story would unfold similarly, however, Celeste would use Hiro’s fear of Sakura against him, causing Hiro to kill Sakura before the poison takes her life. Then Hiro would be the blackened and would die from execution. As long as Celeste’s involvement doesn’t get exposed, the story would remain the same until the end, with Celeste taking Hiro’s spot in the survivors. However, should Celeste’s involvement be exposed, one way or another, Hina would go berserk. The corpse that the group finds after Sakura’s death would likely not be used, as Junko would sense Hina’s anger and despair. Hina would likely find a way to kill Celeste and probably own up to it so no one else would die. The class trial would be short, and Hina would be executed as the blackened. From there, the remaining 4 students (probably an exception being Byakuya) would fall into an intense despair without the emotional tether of Hina, and would likely spend the rest of their lives in the school, or Junko would find a different way to keep the game going (but it would be incredibly hard, no one would have any motivation whatsoever.) Anyways, that’s why thoughts. Celeste is still my favorite I like her design and she’s cool. Yeah ok I’m done now.
He can't die. It's impossible. He is the Ultimate Affluent Progeny after all. Byakuya's development wouldn't let him die. He is the only rival who survived. The one who should've died in chapter 5 is Kirigiri.
@lols I don’t think so. At the end of chapter 4 Byakuya makes its clear he doesn’t intend to play the killing game and shows a slight (though very very slight) care for the other students. It’s clear during the chapter 5 investigation and especially chapter 6 investigation that Hina and Byakuya at the very least no longer hate each other. If chapter 4 didn’t end the way it did with everyone agreeing to go against the mastermind then I would agree Byakuya would probably be the victim. That’s just my take though
Naegi is optimistic because he's the Ultimate Hope. He doesn't realise it, but his attitude shows it. That's why at the end of the game, when Kirigiri mentions that Naegi is the Ultimate Hope, his role in the ebook changes (or at least in the Japanese version)
very well done and written video. Everyone gives their opinions on the game but give respect to this guy giving such a well done and thought out video. Props to you
I’d switch Ishimaru and Yasuhiro. Yasuhiro added literally nothing to the story other than being put in a suit and hitting Sakura with a bottle, which everyone else did. And Ishimaru died before he could get his real character development so by surviving instead of Yasuhiro, he could grow as a character since Yasuhiro didn’t.
The fact that Taka died before getting his character development is super sad, that's why I think it was a perfect time for him to die. Yasuhiro's dead probably wouldn't have had that much impact on the player.
I would want Makoto, Byakuya, Kyoko, Toko/Jack, Taka, and Mukuro to survive. I really think Taka got the short end of the stick and I think it would be super interesting to see what would happen if Mukuro somehow survived the impaling and from that betrayal switched over to the side of hope. I know the likely hood of her surviving are slim, and her switching over even slimmer, but it'd be really interesting to see how the group deals with a person who is partly responsible for the situation their in.
The only group of survivors I had any problem with was sdr2 Sonia and Kazuichi got no development, Akane got a little but the stuff she did get was little scraps
toko had to survive because if toko died then genocide jack would not survive and genocide jack had a important part in the plot as genocide jack had memories that toko did not . thus , toko surviving had to happen in order to help with finding out the mastermind . i don’t know who would replace toko/jack who would keep the plot very simular .
I think another important point in the favor of Leon being killed and not Hagakure (never mind that the latter is legit my favorite character in the series) is, on top of the latter being much more surprising, that past all their similarities of fearfulness, Leon Kuwata is honestly the most normal person in the game. Like, sure, Makoto is a kinda milquetoast guy whose point is being extremely average in all but his extreme, inhuman optimism and tenacity, but Leon is a disaffected teenager who isn't really sure what he wants to do with his life. He's kind of shallow, just wanting to impress girls, and resents what he feels life pushes him towards, yet at the same time grows to miss baseball after awhile spent unable to play. There's something very relatable about him to most young people, I think; if you aren't Leon, you know a lot of Leons, and they're generally fine dudes with their issues. A character like him also slots neatly into that sort of "bro" archetype, the sort of thing that Kazuichi and Kaito in the later games fill in their own unique ways, so he seems like a pretty easy pick for a relatively average person's perspective on the game. Though he's not without his eccentricities, he's also perfectly capable of hitting the straight man role too, generally clearly being a well-adjusted guy with his whole life ahead of him. Then he's the first person in the game, first in the franchise, who kills somebody. This very normal guy was driven to such a horrible extreme by the pressures of the killing game so soon, and this very normal guy breaks down and is dragged screaming into an excruciating, torturous death. That sticks with you forever. There were only even executions in the same conversation as his during, like, v3, and I'd still say most of them are weaker. If anybody but him was the first culprit, a role he was legitimately designed perfectly to fill, the entire tone of Danganronpa as a whole would be worse off, I think.
I know this is a older video..but I definitely disagree with Kiyotaka. I hate how he was not mourned in the least and his death just felt brushed off. He has the same issues as Hiyoko with that getting cut off out of nowhere. I think the survivors are perfect..but I will admit I didn’t care for Yasuhiro much cause I want a fan of his comedy. But I understand he is fun for others and I’m glad for that! I’m happy he survived for that reason alone! I just really wish Taka survived and I feel like it would be a better idea for Celeste to frame him for Hifumi’s death due to the whole Kiyondo situation and seeing how he would be after watching alter ego get executed. The missed potential and such just makes me angry about his death instead of feeling despair about it. It felt like Celeste could have just killed Hifumi and the whole game would be close to the same thing. Idk maybe it’s my Taka bias talking but it still gets me upset to think about. Great video nonetheless and you bring some great points! Makes me wish the distrust system was used so every character could get something.
Celeste could have been a survivor because they could have used the V3 rule first killer becomes blackened, and the conflict would be similar to Genociders, as there was a killer and you could never tell if she would strike because of her poker face.
As much as I love the surviving cast, I would have loved to see Mondo replace Toko or Yasuhiro in the surviving cast. I just think his character had so much nuance and depth and had SO much room for a more thoroughly-explored character arc
In all honesty, I believe Taka should have survived instead of Yasuhiro. Like many other characters in these games, his development was cut short, which really upsets me because he was one of my favorites, but that's not the reason why I think he should have survived, because I believe there was a reason Celeste and Peko, two of my other favorite characters, died, but I see no reason to kill Taka. Yasuhiro, on the other hand, is a very bland character, who didnt get any particular development, even though my opinions wouldn't have resonated if, for example, he overcame his fears in a more developing way. Plus, they could have easily switched the idiocy they play off for Yasuhiro for Taka's rules and not getting jokes at times. May I also add it would be great if Taka had to accept Mondo's death over the whole ordeal in chapters two and three. Overall, I believe Yasuhiro didnt add much to the ending, but I respect your opinions and beliefs as much as mine.
It would've been SO easier for Celeste to frame Ishimaru than Yasuhiro. Ishimaru is already unstable she could've used the money motive Monokuma had as an advantage cause Taka needed it for his family's debt
Honestly i understand why these 6 were the survivors danganronpa really likes popular characters to die and i understand that. it makes the story more exiting and fun
I disagree with Celeste not bringing any conflict to the table. From chapter 1 she was talking a lot about "survival of the fittest" and "game of survival". With this, it makes her a realist where she could have brought a "realist vs idealist" fight between Makoto. She would be the one to bring Makoto down a peg by telling him that his optimism is way too unrealistic in deadly situations. Not to mention, I would like to have Celeste receive some character development where he decides to drop the prim and proper act and perhaps even remove her fake hair tornado accessories after she opens up to the group. Unfortunately, for Celeste to survive, Yasuhiro has to be the one to be the blackened instead. (I don't hate him, he's just a neutral character to me.) I find it very unlikely for Taka to kill someone so it has to be Yasuhiro to do the killing. I hated Celeste's motive for being the blackened in chapter 3 and found it to be ridiculous as hell why she would do that. What would Yasuhiro's reasonings be for killing Taka and Hifumi? well... for that I would have to change the motive in chapter 3 from the 1 billion dollars to a precious gemstone, this entices Yasuhiro as he knows the gemstone has a legend where the gemstone has a god that can grant a wish. He kills 2 people as he thinks he is killing the lives of some to save the lives of many to get the stone to wish back the group even if they failed to guess who the culprit is.
@@bakeryfiskree5927 That is true. I didn't think of that when writing this. If Chihiro had survived, he most likely would have taken Makoto's place as Alter Ego would not save Makoto, and we can't have the protagonist die. Though I still wish Chihiro had survived, it is simply impossible. At least I think it is.
TBH, I hate Chihiro’s guts. I just hate how he really didn’t do much other than whine and cry in the short timeframe he was alive in. Then he made a McGuffin, then he died and everyone cried. (Hehe, that rhymed!) Yep, I would pay to watch him get put on a 4-way intersection and become roadkill.
@@vriskaserketvore413 LMAOO i dont even play these games anymore but i think i remember chihiro. ill have to look that mf up tho. from what i remember he was like a crybaby or smth idk sounds annoying af
I like to think Toko's purpose is to show how one can be drenched in despair, but have the will to cling to hope and survive. Shes a shutin and no one seems to like her filling her with despair. Thanks to Byakua at the start (even though he didnt mean it) gives her just the slightest bit of hope that leads her to trust everyone and and crawl out of despair and into hope.
I woulda loved to see Celeste survive as she didn kill Hifumi cuz he survived the hammer blow but died later from it. Would have been interesting to see her continue but everyone not trust her and to see her just spiral even further. Shes my favorite and there are some interesting ways shed influence everyone. Maybe she could be heavily involved exposing the mastermind and obly then do they trust her again.
Celeste and Kyoko were really close (before she dies we do sort of see her open up to kyoko because that’s the only person she trusted) so it would be kind of interesting to see her sort of try to replace makoto due to her jealousy
I wouldn't be so mad about Taka's death if he got an honorable one. You find his dead body and almost no one expresses concern. He was litterally the one trying to keep everyone together in the beggining and they give him such a weak, out of character death
Yeah, I was annoyed because everyone was really sad about Hifumi but then they didn't seem to care about Taka. It also seemed like his death was rushed. I mean, he didn't finish his arc at all and his death was just... boring. Like, he could have died in a more fitting way then getting bashed on the head and then beign forgotten
@@BluebeerryBPS Hifumi like disgusted everyone and they cried over him and not Taka! That annoyed me so much.
I feel like it would’ve been fitting if he died because he refused to vote in the second trail. The second trial involved a serial killer and a weirdo who defiled a body for funnies, and imagine your best friend turning out to have been the murderer. It would fitting for the ultimate moral compass to refuse to participate in a corrupt system as a way to fight back against the real villain and to die as a result. It would be another emotionally gut wrenching death in a very emotional case. Then again, I suppose it wouldn’t really add any new information for the player since uh…the same thing kinda happened with Mukuro, and I’m sure there’s a more satisfying way to wrap up his character arc. However, if the writers really wanted to get rid of him so quickly, might as well have him die in case two.
@@asdfghjk1576 That could have been cool!
@@asdfghjk1576 Matter a fact, the Danganronpa stage play had Taka die along with Mondo when he voted wrong during the second trial.
Byakuya: lmao its yasuhiro or toko
makoto: its called emotions byakuya
That’s Why I’m The Ultimate Affluent progeny
@@byakuyatogami5596 Trust fund kid. Greetings to the character i hated the most ^^
@@byakuyatogami5596 good morning. (I love you)
@@Angelica-vi6nt cool i hate him too
YUMENOOOOOOO I FOUND YOU 💕
lets not pretend that we wouldnt act like yasuhiro in a killing game
For real though. Like I don’t blame Yasu for acting the way he did.Anyone would act the exact same.
@@soomi5667 forreal, some ppl act like they wouldnt shit their pants and be paranoid after the first killing
I wouldn’t blame a ufo for stealing my hamburger but other than stuff like that I agree
Surprised nobody offed themself
@@herelieslyss DEADASS! I have a fear of dying to another person’s hand,so if I were plopped into a KG like this,I’d immediately look for ways to (preferably painlessly) off myself. Actually.
Tbh I didn't like toko in the first game but in UDG she really evolved and now toko is my favorite charecter
Same, CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT
Same
I liked her and found her interesting ever since the beginning but the character growth in UDG made me love her so much.
✨C h a r a t e r D e v e l o p m e n t✨
@@Mm-xc9my Y e s
Chihiro: **Dies**
Alter Ego: I'm about to end monokuma's whole career
Monokuma and chapter 4: Yes but actually no
@@Aspen_The_Rizzler Alter Ego in Chapter 5: *YOU WERE SAYING!?*
@@Aspen_The_Rizzler
Monokuma in chapter 4: Die
Alter ego in chapter 5: No I don't think i will
Alt ego literally saves hem from the chp 2 case.
Wich a character from chp 2 usually the victim dies too early causing them no able to connect with the player
But it makes my kind of triggered when he used she/her pronouns for Chihiro
Think of the despair if Leon was killed by Sayaka, and then Makoto has to find her guilty after her betrayal of him! It's so despairingly perfect...
Don't you ever stay dead? You're right but still, get back in your grave Junko.
Well, monokuma didn’t explain the class trials until *after* sayaka is dead right .. ? So she wasn’t going to blame naegi. She didn’t even know there was a class trial, she just thought if she killed leon she could escape and everyone else would live
@@cybersann4262 and I guess she asked makoto to change rooms before the plan because she didn't want her room to get bloodstains. She might've not known how the class trials work, but she was definitely pinning the murder on makoto regardless
Especially considering what Sayaka's execution would've been like--sliced in half by a giant bear trap.
Junko i swear to god
Why do ppl get mad that Toko survived?!
She is *v e r y* important in despair girls
because most people haven’t played despair girls
@@teclinsoro4523 even tho it's the most well written game
YES.
@@sanariyadilman1114 it’s a fucking garbage game, people shouldn’t have to play a spin off just to get good character development for toko
@@diavolosteddy7594 well that's your opinion
I think the only character that could be made a case for surviving is Sakura. I think all the characters die at the appropriate times, for the narrative, but Sakura’s suicide is so upsetting, and it does well for motivation but it’s still like “cmon man”. People wanted to see her live and she died really the most selflessly.
@Sayaka The Snake because who else could have staged such a great close room mystery ending in heart-throbbing drama?
@@PancakemonsterFO4 because Sakura's suicide made everyone work together? Except kirigiri, as always ruins everything.
@@ryzhik9608 Detectives are always loners, except for Shuichi for some reason he's quite the people magnet
@@PancakemonsterFO4 detective =\= loner. It's just Kirigiri's character to be a "mystirious" (well, the only mystery about her is why Kodaka likes her so much? The worst character in THH. Even Junko is much more fun, and Junko is also a mary sue)
Taka should’ve committed the double murder was way to complicated Celeste should’ve only killed Hifumi and Taka should’ve committed instead of Sakura and if they want Sakura dead she could sacrifice herself for the rest or something like that
“He’s basically the Sayaka that survived”
Somewhere, in an alternate universe where Hiro actually died first: “She’s basically the Yasuhiro that survived”
I sometimes pair the cast of DR1 with themes to think What characteristics would survive a killing game. So:
Sayaka: ambition/hunger
Leon: apathy/laziness
Chihiro: mental strength
Mondo: physical strength
Kiyotaka: moral
Hifumi: belief
Celeste: strategy
Sakura: trust
Mukuro: loyalty
Junko: despair
Aoi: emotion
Byakuya: Logic
Kyoko: truth
Makoto: hope
Toko: Self-preservation
Yasuhiro: chance
honestly 'truth' for kyoko doesn't really fit much, id probably give her logic instead of byakuya
@@mmath2318 why dont both of them have logic?
Frisk: Determination
@@lykhra2178 hotel: trivago
@@mmath2318 truth does fits a lot. Cuz u know... detective...
Oops. You ever just love a character so much you accidentally write a freaking novel about their death? This is super long and I’m sorry but golly I wanted to talk about my fav DR character.
I think Taka’s death is the only one in the series that legit wrecked me. It is honestly perfect in how utterly horrible it is in every way. It feels like his whole ark is designed to screw with him and my god it works so terribly well.
Taka tries so hard throughout the game. Literally NOTHING he does is done halfheartedly; he’s always passionate, he’s always determined, he’s always bold and unforgettable. Taka always pushed everyone to be better and, even if his methods weren’t always tactful, his intent was always pure. Taka probably tries the hardest out of anyone to keep everything in order.
His FTE’s show that, because of his intensity, he’s never been able to make friends. So, when he DOES finally make a friend, he falls into that relationship with the same passion he does with everything else. It’s clear that he deeply respects Mondo, likely because Mondo works hard and has morals despite his role as a gang leader
. They're two of the hardest working characters I think, as neither of their skills are natural talent. Characters like Leon don't struggle to be great at what they do, but it's clear that both Taka and Mondo work themselves to the bone to be Ultimates
Taka’s ark is designed to utterly destroy his optimism and hope. He’s given his first friend, only to watch him be brutally murdered. Not only that, but Taka has to realize that his only friend was a killer, someone who brutally murdered an innocent who came to him for help.
For someone with such a black and white view on morality, to see a man who you think is so great do something so evil is mind shattering. It’s clear that Taka can’t face that reality, and so he utterly blames himself. I think Taka likely felt like he’d failed Mondo, that he was somehow responsible for his death. Just like Mondo with Diya, Taka carried the guilt of his brother’s death.
To see such a bold character as Taka become so utterly muted and silent is horrific. Just like Junko wanted, Taka’s hope and idealism is utterly shattered. He no longer believes in his morals because his black and white view on morality has been challenged and defeated by Mondo’s gray morality. He no longer believes in the concept that effort triumphs all because he tried his best to save Mondo and failed. He no longer believes in his own integrity because he feels responsible for Mondo’s death.
When I played the game, I was legit furious with the cast regarding how they treated Taka post chapter 2. It was so clear that he was DESPERATELY in need of help. He was utterly catonic and clearly hadn’t eaten since the trial. Despite that though, only Hiro and Makoto make even the barest efforts to help Taka. Even then, they honestly don’t do much for him.
For the first time, Taka was in need of the utter passion he gave to everyone else. He needed someone who was determined to bring out the good in him, even if he himself wasn’t invested. In that moment, Taka needed his own Taka, someone to force him to take care of himself and be better. But in reality, Taka is alone. Nobody is as bold and brazen as Taka is. The only one who could match that energy was Mondo and, with Mondo gone, nobody has the passion to help him.
To just add insult to injury, he was even killed in a mocking way. He was murdered with a ‘justice’ hammer because he was accused of a horrid crime. For the Moral Compass, there is no worse death than to die accused of rape and then bludgeoned with a tainted symbol of justice.
I feel like Taka’s death reflects how totally he fades. I’m biased because he’s my fav, but I think Taka’s the least mourned over victim. Sayaka is mourned by Makoto, Chihiro is mourned by Mondo, Sakura is mourned by Hina. Hell, Hina also sheds a few tears for Hifumi last minute. In comparison, Taka is somewhat ignored. Even in the trial, it’s Hifumi, not Taka, who gets the focus.
As horrible as it is, it’s fittingly despair inducing for such a loud and bold character to be ultimately ignored and forgotten the second he goes quiet. The only part I dislike is the whole Kiyondo thing, but I think it also has value. It’s like a twisted, self destructed version of what Taka once was, like he attempted to pull himself together with false hope and created an abomination of personality.
All that being said...MAN I still wish that Hiro and Taka had swapped places! Taka was such a great character and I would have LOVED to see him raise above his loss and reclaim hope. Imagine how COOL trial 3 would be if Taka was accused instead. It would make sense to frame him; he'd clearly gone insane after the Mondo incident. He was always obsessed with morals so him dressing as Robo Justice would be somewhat in character. With his sudden personality shift, would it be too far of a stretch to say Taka did kill Hiro and Hifumi? Even those two victims makes sense, as they could both be seen as degenerates; Hiro makes a living off of scams and psychic ability while Hifumi’s a total creep. I’m not saying they’re bad people, but I could see Celeste claiming Taka thinks they’re bad people.
Further, would Taka be able to deny the argument? Would he remember his time as Kiyondo and, if he did, would he trust his memory. It would definitely be interesting to have to convince Taka himself that he isn’t the culprit.
Alas, that's all too hopeful for that part of the game.
Instead, Taka is utterly crushed both metaphorically and literally. It reminded me of The Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka; both characters worked hard for those they felt responsible for, but when they needed help, they were ignored and eventually destroyed and discarded
You're not being biased when you say he is the least mourned victim. He really is. Honestly sometimes I see Taka's death as Junko's biggest win in the first killing game. Everyone's death is sad but Taka's death has to be the most despair inducing for the player. The man who worked so hard for everything died in complete despair. Honestly if you asked me why no one was trying to help Taka, I wouldn't be able to give you an answer. I really don't know why people weren't helping him. Yea maybe no one is close friends with him but no one was close friends with Hifumi or Chihiro either and people were devastated with their deaths so it is strange.
I also understand why you want Taka to live instead of Yasuhiro. Yasuhiro doesn't really need to be there. He's just there for comedy and foreshadowing. Even though Taka's death wasn't impactful for the other characters, I do think it's very impactful for the player and he's one of my favorites for sure
@@DerpyHiro Yeah. Maybe Hiro living was just part of the whole despair of Taka's death. They left a character so obviously replaceable alive while killing someone who would've been great for the Future Foundation off. A final spit on Taka's grave.
I think the Ultra Taka was Taka trying to act like his deceased Friend would to give his Soul a Body or something like that
I want to share this comment every where, u just typed literally every thought I’ve ever had abt takas situation. I feel like the way taka went out was perfectly terrible, but damn that hurt
It also made me mad when Celeste told Hifumi that he assaulted her. I don’t think she specified what kind of assault, but just the fact that Hifumi would EVER believe that Taka would hurt somebody makes my blood boil. Sure, you could argue that Taka had gone Super Saiyan and ‘merged’ with Mondo, but even then, Mondo has said that he would never hit a woman. It is so frustrating that Hifumi would ever believe Taka would do something so horrible, but I totally understand why. He has a crush on Celeste or something and he was mad that Alter Ego was stolen, so it’s in his character for Hifumi to believe such a dumb lie. That’s the reason why I like Hifumi and Celeste as characters but definitely not as well (if that makes sense)
Fun fact: sayaka and Leon died in the first chapter because the creators made their designs first and used them to use as an example while making other characters. The creators got bored of them fast which is why they died
That's just sad and so unfair tho :'(
@@artsmith_0436 they’re fictional, it’s not exactly unfair
@artsmith_0436
The Sayaka fan in me agrees with you, but my experience as a fangan creator thinks different. I did a very similar thing with my characters(didn't really develop my first blackened) and while it sucks, it happens
Surprisingly they were the best choices to die first
This is why they really should’ve added the Distrust system IMO. Everyone had potential to be a survivor, (or become executed) I still think there should always be a max of six survivors because it wouldn’t have much of an impact if everyone survived.
i totally agree! i was so upset when i found out the distrust system would've allowed for multiple endings with different casts because some of those deaths just hurt and i could name a couple characters that need to not be alive. but yea, cyoa stories are always my favorite, especially in visual novels if they're done well. as for the everyone surviving thing.... *coughs in danganronpa 2*
@@HazelKnight34 maybe instead of risking survival, in DR2 they risk redemption instead?
It's good that there are 6 survivors out of the 16 because if it were more like a horror game with a "final girl/guy" trope we would ask, why is this still allowed to continue?
@@CigaretteCrayon Not to mention, the distrust system would have made for a complicated continuation.
Now that's a fuck ton of programming and writing
The sad fact is that Leon and Sayaka were semi-canonly ( meaning its kind of confirmed, but not really) a couple before they lost their memories. It just made it more tragic and showed how the killing game affected everyone.
Edit: So it's been a while since I wrote this comment and I have come to realize that it was Leon who had a crush on Sayaka. Them being in a relationship prior to the killing game was mostly speculation on my part, based on official art and some theories that I had heard of. Sorry for not making that part clear and unintentionally spreading misinformation. Still, I do believe that Leon killing Sayaka was tragic, since he had a crush on her but killed her to survive. Thanks for understanding and respectfully correcting me. 😊
Yeah, I noticed that in some of the pictures where they're both present they are really close, in one I even think Leon had his arm around Sayaka.
I think it kinda works too, since Leon wanted to do music
@@BluebeerryBPS Yeah, I feel like the fact that he wanted to be a musician brought them close. But they ended up like this. As Celeste would say: "Such a tragedy"
I know they were friends and that Leon liked Sayaka but Sayaka liked Makoto, although eventually I felt that they would end up together because Makoto might fall in love with Kyoko: Sayaka and Makoto give me vibes of best friends and first crushes but that eventually they would settle for their platonic feelings to just be friends.
@@m.o.l.a6812 Makoto is to smart for Sayaka. Just his tendencies work better with Kyoko, no offense to Sayaka. But then again she's not very smart for thinking Leon was the best person to kill, considering he is pretty strong and obviously has reflexes strong enough to make him the ultimate baseball star
@@m.o.l.a6812 this Mukuro erasure I refuse to stand for
I wanted to comment because why not in my opinion for the first game and the argument of Taka:
While I would’ve loved for my favourite character in the entire Danganronpa franchise to survive, I am going to be completely honest, he’d be miserable, starving and quite a depressing story to see go down. I can see 3 scenarios for his character:
1. He survives and gets proper development, making him viable for a survivor. However, down the line, his over expressions get annoying and his voice gets tangent. And he could also become hated. Here’s how I see this working without him being annoying:
He loses Mondo, sad times boys, lost his best friend and (if rumours recently are true) lover. He is depressed and miserable but gets some hope from Alter Ego’s Mondo. Celestia tricks Hifumi to kill Yasuhiro. This is the problem, how would Celestia be able to convince Hifumi? Sure Hifumi can be naive but I doubt he’s so naive to kill someone who’s done nothing wrong. But we’ll get onto this later. They put all the evidence on Ishimaru since Ishi and Hifumi had that argument over who keeps Alter Ego longer (I guess you can tell who I wanted to :p) and Ishimaru’s breakdown during the trial and losing more hope could be interesting. Talking about how he’ll be happy to see Mondo again. But then Celestia slips on her tongue and gets herself executed. Ishimaru would see from this that the people around him are his friends, and that he can trust people. Possibly becoming someone like Kyoko but less intelligent. And his weakness is being extremely emotional and hurting Sakura in some way by blaming her for Mondo’s death (again another plot hole I can not make my mind up with) and runs away. Causing conflict with everyone. He redeems himself by apologising to Aoi. And after this trial, is Makoto’s trial where he gets ‘executed’. Taka lost another friend. And he feels his hope begin to tank. And when Kyoko brings back Makoto, Ishimaru could be so overwhelmed with emotion again and hug Makoto. Having a nice bro moment. And mastermind yada yada. Get this gist.
While yes, this development is excellent for Ishimaru. He learns that everyone wants to be his friend and that he can move on from Mondo enough to not be depressed. But there’s some issues. Like why would Hifumi kill Yasuhiro? What would his conflict be with Sakura and Aoi?
While I would’ve loved Ishimaru to have survived. I can’t see this being a great possibility. Then there’s the flip side where he’s all miserable and doesn’t help. Again, making him possibly annoying without good writing. After all, he wasn’t eating after Mondo’s execution and you can tell by his sprites.
2. Taka commits suicide in Sakura’s place.
This sounds brilliant at first, it makes sense and not only that, that was the original idea for Ishi. However... there’s some dilemmas.
Ishimaru is established to have a hard time making friends. And Mondo was his first and now he’s broken after losing him. While yes, suicide makes sense for a man who isn’t eating and lost his only friend, this doesn’t seem very good plot wise.
While yes it would’ve made Sakura a survivor (which I would’ve loved to see over Yasuhiro-), Sakura dying was a very important part of the story and conflict thanks to Aoi. Ishimaru didn’t have a strong connection with anyone but Aoi. And if his friendship with Alter Ego began, it wouldn’t be good enough like Aoi’s since Alter Ego is just a laptop really. Ishimaru’s death would have little impact on anyone besides Makoto. But I feel like Makoto bottles up so it wouldn’t give much of an effect.
There’s also the plot holes of Hifumi killing Yasuhiro again. Which I can’t find a reason.
And sadly 3: Ishimaru gets his character development cut short by Hifumi and Celestia’s hammer.
It’s sadly perfect in a way. People always see the good for Taka’s development and don’t realise the other two problems with the other two scenarios. Taka’s death with packed with despair for the player since we cared for him and seeing just after her lost Mondo, he died is a perfect way to make the player feel how this killing game truly affects you. I still do see flaws in this but they aren’t nearly as big as the other 2.
I am saddened his character development got cut short and out of everyone you could argue to be a survivor, Ishimaru is perfect, the perfect candidate compared to YaSuHiRo however these plot holes can’t be written out. Plus, they would’ve probably worsened his character which is a saddening thought. Which is why Ishimaru had to die in chapter 3 and couldn’t be a survivor.
Yes. This hurt to write.
or maybe, celeste would try to get hifumi to kill taka but this time taka wouldn’t die, and because hifumi didn’t kill him, celeste killed him out of anger. then, taka could go on to live. as for hiro? tbh, i wouldn’t have had such a problem with him living if taka had lived. so maybe hiro straight up wouldn’t die either? or maybe they could make it weird where he kills sakura, but that’s pretty out of character. i’d just rly like taka to live lmao.
Maybe (hear me out), Celeste targets Yasuhiro due to his simple mindedness and sends Hifumi with the pledge to kill him, she tells him that Hiro had not only harrassed all the girls, he bullied and manipulated all the guys expecially Taka, this angers Hifumi so he sets out to find him
Later on, Hifumi finds Yasuhiro and challenges him to a duel where if one loses the other has to kill the one that lost (in a similar fashion to DR2s 4th chapter) and hifumi wins and you know where this is going
Yeah i just want Taka to survive
@@seauqis same
honestly, I would've loved for taka to bond with Makoto more during the game in the same way that Chiaki bonded with Hajime. There could've been optional events where Makoto uses his Ultimate Hope talent (that he doesn't know he has at the time) to inspire Ishimaru in a more healthy, friendly way, helping Ishimaru slowly recover from Mondo's death in a more realistic manner. Makoto and Yasuhiro could play pivotal roles in supporting his recovery, so instead of going super Saiyan and shit and becoming more annoying, he mellows out and although he remains kinda quiet and more reserved, slowly gets his spunk back and instead of being a hard-headed, obnoxious (probably more hated by fans) character, is more of a friendly, rule-abiding, helpful force during class trials- again, similar to Chiaki but obviously still retaining his hard-working, wholesome/innocent, selfless, passionate personality, slowly getting back his loud self but with newfound wisdom and gratitude.
I think it would make for a good plot. And honestly, I would've loved for Ishimaru to survive but as a more developed character. I think he was robbed. With Celeste's whole trial, I think she wouldn't have gone so out of character at the end. I think she would've mantained a facade even at the very end, aside from dropping her accent. But I think it would've made for a more twisting and turning trial for her to not have a freak out and make it obvious that she was the killer behind it all. So even in the end, everybody's unsure they've made the right choice until Monokuma's judgement.
I think she could've been manipulating Hifumi from the beginning in something of an abusive(?) relationship. Making him feel like he's nothing without her and then telling him she wants to escape with him. Maybe even using his sister against him, because she's the only one he showed his first motive to. Maybe as the ultimate gambler, from the beginning she manages to swindle most of the characters out of their motive videos, showed them all the Hifumi and was like:
"look at how useless these people are that they care about. Toko cares for nothing but a stink bug, Byakuya hardly even batted an eyelash at his motive video" ect ect, "are all these people who the others don't even care about worth the life of your beloved sister? She's waiting at home for you, y'know? Probably really scared and terrified."
I think her trial could've been so much more. a battle of wits between Kyoko, Makoto and Celeste. Pointing out evidence that she deflects back at them and twisting their words. maybe her facade only falls momentarily. I think that it would've been so much cooler if her only slip up wasn't something stupid like Hifumi saying her name when he wasn't dead yet, but rather a miscalculation. That would probably hurt her so much more to know that she failed based on HER OWN SKILLS and not on the idiocy of her partner.
In this situation, I think that she may have manipulated Hifumi, but she wouldn't have killed Taka and I think that while she may have used Alter Ego as part of the motive for Hifumi, I think that maybe Hifumi is more selfless, charismatic and funny in this version and less of a weirdo. While he'd still make references and stuff, he may be more respectful and probably more embarrassed about the work he shares- more modest and stuff. Which would make him more of a perfect bully victim for both Toko and Celeste. There could have been more events where it's shown that there's a bully issue between Hifumi and Celeste and between Toko and Hifumi. It would've made Toko play a bigger role in the killings that occurred, because this feeling of isolation where he can only rely on Celeste and Alter Ego would present more of a motive for him to kill someone and try to escape with Celeste. Maybe Toko would actually feel guilty and get some character development of her own, realising she was partially the reason that Hifumi felt alone and like he could only turn to Celeste.
I feel it could be the first instance of Toko growing a back bone and wanting to improve herself so that something like this never happens again, which would lead into the intense development she faces in Ultra Despair Girls, like the planting of that seed.
Maybe Celeste gets Hifumi to try to kill Kyoko because she knows that Kyoko is the only person who could really solve the crime and she doesn't want to leave any chance behind. Plus she decides that even if it fails because of Kyoko's implied combat skills (she states that she's leaving her door open and that anybody planning to take advantage of that should watch out because she's not going down without a fight), she'll be finding out a little bit more about her opponent as it is, anyways and save killing for another time. Essentially, she makes a gamble.
And Hifumi fails in killing Kyoko (oops), only managing to knock her out or something. Celeste realises she's still alive but decides they can actually use this. Celeste takes Kyoko to the infirmary and tells Hifumi to target someone who she knows will be out at this time because she's been keeping an eye on everyone's schedules (after all, the night time rule was meant to control them, so she knows who usually abides by it and who doesn't). Yasuhiro, in this case, doesn't abide by it because he's just downright stupid and wants a midnight snack, but he's also a huge coward so he only goes out at a specific time when he thinks everyone's asleep. Except Celeste isn't asleep and has seen him do it multiple times. He's just never caught her.
Anyways Hifumi goes ahead and demolishes him while he's in the kitchen and actually kills him this time. They decide to put the blame on Aoi because she's also stupid, and from a story perspective, it would make Sakura a main opponent in the trial as well, trying to defend Aoi as well. Ishimaru plays more of a devils advocate role during the trial, trying to think of alternative theories. So they frame her and maybe Celeste manages to lock pick her room, drug her and dress her up in some dark robes (which would be the costume alternative to the stupid robo justice stuff that is just super unplausible). However, they had originally tried to pin the blame on Hagakure so the robes themselves are too big for her and would be really inefficient for killing people in.
So, back to Kyoko, Celeste takes Kyoko to the infirmary and (lesbo ship moment?) stays with her the while night, looking after her and what not, tending her head back to health and stuff and saying she just found her like that or something when Kyoko actually wakes up. And like that'd be Celeste's alibi for the night. I dunno the logistics, but I think that they could still do the whole run after the killer thing but more believable.
Still, I think Ishimaru could be a good asset to the final group if he underwent more realistic character growth and didn't go all super saiyan just because alter ego put on the face of his dead best friend.
Edit: also if Ishimaru's recovery was assisted by Hagakure himself, it would show a good contrast between Ishimaru going completely numb upon Mondo's death, to being sad but trying to move forward and advance towards freedom, carrying the deaths of his friends along side him as he tries to escape not only for his sake, but for their sake as well. Because Hagakure and Makoto both taught him about hope.
Also the happy relationship between Hagakure, Ishimaru and Makoto could've given some real character depth to Hagakure and made him a loveable, well missed character, showing the goodness and charity in his heart (even if he's a massive coward and a cheapskate).
@@Someone-or8tp i love this idea. it would make hiro important, too, so him being a survivor wouldn’t be as strange. but idk if you noticed, but i think that halfway through you started referring to taka as toko? anyway, you still got the point across and i would actually love if it’d played out like that.
the unfortunate truth about danganronpa is that most of the characters will die right before their development starts or finishes, simply due to the nature of the game itself. additionally, in the 3rd chapter an extra character will always be sacrificed just to create further conflict, causing their death to be overlooked. it sucks but that’s just how the game is.
I have a head cannon , Kiyotaka and Aoi would be great friends after chapter 4 . I can just imagine kiyotaka comforting Aoi after Sakura’s death
STARRY Pelt wait I kind of see it ngl-
Yeah that would make sense since they both have experienced the death of their friends and Taka overcoming his sadness to comfort some who also had it happen to them would make a nice bond
Yeah.
It would require a bit of a rework on the fourth case to make the suicide still work but I think that Taka supporting Aoi's side in the trial would be interesting
Or maybe him being the one to calm her down would also work as a form of character development.
Idk. While I get *why* Yasuhiro lived I still think that in a perfect world Taka should've been the one to live, but that would require a massive rework on the 3rd and 4th trial.
I would love to see this
IKR
Actually the explanation for makotos optimism is like junkos for despair. He’s her polar opposite
I could see a conflict between Celeste and Toko, considering how Celeste and Byakuya get along so well.
Jay from the Kubz Scouts: TAKA NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I LOVED YOU TAKA!!
i wish Taka had survived instead Hiro cause i think he could be entretaining, sinse mondo died he probably would be kinda confuse, in chapter 4 he probably would enter in panic and about chapter 3 it would make more sense if celeste put the blame on Taka cause he wanted to see alter ego, the reason Hiro was proven inocent it's because he didn't have a motive (also he's dumb) and it would make sense that he got more paranoid after his "brother" die
edited cause i add one spoiler to udg and i don't think you played yet
Also it was kinda disappointing seing him so pumped up and then getting killed by Celeste immediately after, and Hagakure could annoy the shit out of Celeste as well
I wish Taka had lived, but it was better than the alternative they had set for him... he was supposed to be the one that commited s*****e instead of Sakura.
@@dimitramantzourani9565 is it? damn
@@yurionagony7782 Yeah...
He never could be a survivor unless Mondo wasn't turned into butter as he was bound to starve from starvation as he hadn't eaten anything ever since Mondo's death.
I like all the survivors in every game except one survivor from 2
Out of curiosity which survivor for 2 don't you like? I'm also planning to do the same type of video for Danganronpa 2 so it would be good to hear other people's perspectives
DerpyHiro If I could change a character it would be Sonia for hiyoko. So I think you could easily have Sonia die instead of hiyoko in chapter 3 because Sonia was the one who told hiyoko about the mirror in the music venue. The way I see it could have gone down is Sonia tells Hiyoko about the mirror in the music venue same as before but instead Hiyoko doesn’t go to grab the mirror because she’s was being paranoid that chapter from the despair disease. This could result in Sonia deciding to go to grab the mirror for Hiyoko instead and then the rest of Sonia’s death happens like how Hiyoko died. This would give Hiyoko guilt over Sonia’s death and inspire growth. The only problem I have with this is I don’t know how Sonia’s death would affect Kazuichi if it would affect him positively or negatively. As for why Sonia is the one I would get rid of for this I don’t think Sonia did anything to important for the story that someone else could have and she didn’t feel integral to the story when I think someone like Hiyoko had so much more room to grow.
I just noticed how someone else in the comments said that they would keep the survivors of the 2nd game and add Hiyoko just never have her die and the problem I have with this is the fact that the 3rd chapter murder is meant to be a double murder to parallel the first game which adds something for the player to think about and makes the character consider the fourth murder a suicide even if it wasn’t one technically
@@erkbestmage9740 Yea they do address that in chapter 4. Although to be fair it's a small portion of chapter 4 when they go through each case and see how its a parallel to Danganronpa 1 so I feel like they didn't need that part and one of the characters could just have a suspicion that this was suicide because it would be really difficult to kill Nekomaru. But I can still see why you would replace Hiyoko with Sonia
@@erkbestmage9740 I think 2-3 would have been better if there was only 1 victim, and then the killer tried to kill themselves, making the player think that there are two victims.
Heres how i would do it: Ibuki kills Mikan after getting her memories of being a despair back and also because Mikan was purposefully keeping her hospital patients sick by draining their blood so she could take care of them.
Then Ibuki tries to hang herself after killing Mikan but Hajime saves her in the nick of time - he was looking for her because she was missing.
Ibuki is really weak and passes out and in the trial everyone thinks that Ibuki attempted suicide after descovering Mikan's body but Hiyoko keeps pressing and outs Ibuki as the killer.
A lot of the surviving casts would be pretty hard to change without some big re-writing, but the idea is interesting.
If I had to change one character's fate in this series, though, I'd have to say... People may hate me for this, but my pick would be Hiyoko. Her death in the second game really wasn't all that necessary (the only reason she died was because she just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time), and it didn't add much to things on top of being a pretty big waste. Perhaps Mikan could have still spotted her at the scene and used that to attempt to frame her?
They could easily have used the third trial to have her contribute to things a bit and open the way for some development; out of everyone Hiyoko was the one who tore into Mikan the most, and with Mikan arranging the scene to frame her, of course most of the cast would be inclined to believe sweet, caring, timid Mikan over the unpleasant brat who's been slamming them all up to now. Nobody would be on Hiyoko's side at first, and this would devastate her. She'd been a massive prick or even an outright bully to all of them, and would now be getting ganged up on in turn now. Doesn't feel so good, does it?
Of course, Hajime being Hajime, he'd sense that something isn't adding up and work to point the finger away from Hiyoko - and of course everyone including Hiyoko herself would be confused as to why. But eventually he and Chiaki would work out the facts of the trial, Nagito would do his bit where he'd put Mikan on the spot, and Mikan would finally reveals her true colors with her returned memories as normal. This sudden 180 would probably be even more shocking than before, and Hiyoko would be utterly stunned - this lady had always been annoying to her, but to have this clumsy, timid, blubbery crybaby suddenly turn out to really be like THIS? In this moment, Hiyoko would find this TERRIFYING.
It's a perfect opportunity for who we'll call "True" Mikan to really sting back at Hiyoko and call her out on her crap, too; pointing out that until just a while ago, absolutely nobody had been on her side and that out of this whole despicable, disgusting bunch of bullies, she was the worst of them all bar none. And the worst part would be, well, that Mikan would be right about that! Hiyoko would of course try to come up with some sort of retort, but... for the first time, she wouldn't be able to. She'd just be totally broken for a little while.
But then, while Mikan would be doing her best to pick apart Hajime's various deductions from here, she'd still try to play it up like she wasn't the culprit and would sort of mock the others. They dared to try defending the little nuisance, and THIS was the best they could come up with? What would Mahiru think of this, she'd wonder... And that's where she'd push it too far and grab Hiyoko's attention again. What did she just say...? Mahiru had been the one person who had put up with Hiyoko's shenanigans and actually been very kind to her. She was the closest thing Hiyoko had had to a friend on this god-forsaken island, and this stone-cold psycho, this... BITCH had the gall to mock her?! She would NOT stand for it, and would decide to quit her useless moping around... for now... to bring this to an end, possibly even helping Hajime re-examine his evidence some more (of course in her weird obnoxious way) and effectively bringing a decisive end to the Trial herself.
The end of the trial would proceed as normal, but afterward Hiyoko would sort of vanish from the radar for a short while. This Mikan bitch had turned out to be a terrifying psychotic freak, but... The things the late Ultimate Nurse had said upon her little heel-turn would have gotten under her skin. She was right. And she'd almost paid a very hefty price... as had the rest... all because of her bits of fun. Even without that, everybody else had been dead-set against her and ganged up on her at the Trial's start. Had she really been that awful to them? Maybe she deserved it after all...
I could see her from there making some efforts to change her attitude, albeit slowly and somewhat awkwardly, and perhaps doing more to try and help in the investigations and trials ahead since she showed a pretty sharp eye for details in the ending stretch against Mikan. And while I don't know if she'd exactly be _friends_ with some of the others, per se, I could see her warming up a bit and being far less of a jerk to Hajime and Chiaki since they were the first to effectively step in and defend her when no one else would (although this would come with the unfortunate side effect of her likely becoming attached to Chiaki - and we already know what happens to her).
GENIUS
Maybe she would have more character development,
heck, even a redemption like Fuyuhiko.
This is like the size of a short story, but it's genius and I'm starting to think this would be been a slightly better plot than the real one
*Damn looks you wrote a whole essay-*
This really should have been what actually happened
I’m actually glad Toko survived because of her character development in UDG. We got to see what caused her to be the judgmental person she was in THH and she’s still my favorite character atm.
I agree with you.
The only ones out of place, would be Celeste and Hifumi. I mean, they were there to play their parts, and they are important to the plot, It’s just their motives that comes off as weak and odd. But that is all. Their deaths were mostly there to show Aoi’s emotional side for her classmates, the doubt surrounding Yasuhiro, and an overall complicated mystery.
Celeste just couldn't stand living with people that she despises anymore so she took the chance to Graduate, the money was just there to make the deal sweeter turning it into a gamble, something she was highly sucessful of in the past. Hifumi was just a useful idiot baited by a false rape accusation
Uh, thanks for noticing this 3 months old comment. ^v^,
Well, I started to understand more of Celeste’s motive, and I’d say it is not bad, though a lot of it is left for interpretation. And as for Hifumi, weeell... It is plausible indeed, it’s just a bit.. underwhelming. But I can see where he’s coming from.
@@mc9725 i'm the Nostalgia Commenter. I'm replying so you don't have to
Celestia is one of my fav Danganronpa characters. I sometimes think what would've happened if Celestia survived ? Would she have grown close with the survivors? I could see her having a massive character development and growing close with the others, it would've also been interesting to see her in Future Arc. However her personality and morals were very well suited for a killer.
@@HawaiianBoy808 she did seem to have a liking to Byakuja and Kirigiri but would absolutely hate Hagakure (thus making him the Suspect). I think she would have made a good Agent if she survived
Byakuya is basically in conflict with everyone all the time if I’m really being honest
I love Chihiro and Mondo, but without them both dying in chapter 2, we would’ve missed out on one of the greatest trials in the series.
I'd also say that the Joke hahaha character always survives which is Hiro and Kazuichi, so by that logic Miu should have survived, also Hina is the most emotional survivor from THH she also is the only person to cry at somebody's death (that wasnt their close friend)
I'd say Himiko is the joke character that survived. She has her emotional moments but she was pretty funny as well
That was her mistake (for trying to kill Kokichi)
idk if the anime counts but it shows makoto crying at the end of the second trial, so that could count for chihiro or mondo, neither of which he was close to
teruteru tho
You'd change the whole point of chapter 4 and 5 of V3
I think celeste could be an amazing survivor, heres why, since taeko was revealed she couldve revealled it in ch3 trial and became a nicer character and be refered to as taeko or yasuhiro for the rest of the game. Who she should replace? I think prolly hiro. You could trick everyone into thinking celestia did it and yasuhiro saying it was her when it was him all along.
Also she could fight hina and team with Togami in a way, or she could work with rest of the gang to go against him. I think the ladder would be btter and make it seem as if Taeko was a good person and she went as Celeste to seem as if she wasnt as weak as she is.
Honestly I think she kinda knew about the apocalypse. She was kinda hinting to it when she said they should stay there, and it would explain the sudden change to kill, the castle would be for safety
Also Celeste is a very strategy oriented person, if she survived and joined the future foundation, she would be the one with strats
I feel like Makoto's optimism is just a personality trait they gave him so that the player (who knows he's invincible) doesn't have massive cognitive dissonance when their character thinks he's gonna die.
"There are six survivors in the game, but with Genocide Jack it almost feels like there's seven."
Alter Ego: Am I a joke to you?
I mean... we don't really see them again after that one part in Chapter 5, do we?
Toko needed to stay alive to the end, because they needed Genocide Jill to find out what was happening on the outside
That is truw
Plus, Ultra Despair Girls.
I love how you actually look at each character critically instead of just boiling it down to whether you like them or not. You take the characters and look at both their good and bad traits, and not only that, you then explain how they effect the narrative structure and the impact on the story. I think this is one of the best critical looks at danganronpa I've seen in a long time, since usually when people talk about these games they just take what's given to them and don't look into the subtext at all.
I think Taka should have survived in place of Hiro and have Hiro die in chapter 3.
Taka would show us that even though his only friend died he can still move on showing us true hope.
I agree!! During my first play through, I didn’t really think about Taka during the first chapter, but during the second chapter I did his fte before the case started and it HURT to see him suffer like that, and despite that he still tried (even though he failed) to remain strong and not break. I would have wanted to see Taka live throughout the game, watch him get over Mondo and Chihiro’s death, and see him in the final cast. I think that he should have replaced Yasuhiro honestly.
Am I the only one who actually finds Hiro kinda cute? Like sure he is sort of dumb sometimes but that's adorable to me
I honestly love Hiro lol
@@petrichorrs awesome!
He’s best boy
i love him sm
Ikr🥺🥰😚
The reason why Toko survived is Ultra Despair Girls, to complete her character arc.
Maybe...
Tbh Leon and Taka are the only ones whose deaths i wouldv'e avoided or completely changed, they're such interesting characters and i beleive their deaths really fall short
I forgot Yasuhiro existed until the last trial
Isn’t the title and description kind of misleading due to what you actually talk about in the video?
It is but I'm planning to make this a mini series for all 3 of the games. It just so happened that for the first game I really wouldn't change any of the survivors. I don't really think the title being misleading is bad since it's still on topic but if that annoys people my bad. It wasn't my intention
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Nice job on this one, I basically agree with everything in the video.
The only thing I really wanted was Chihiro to survive cause oh my god my heart sank for everything about the best boi but that’s just me.
I could imagine Chihiro being really good friends with Aoi and I want good things for both of them so I would agree.
I get what you mean by saying that Taka's death was supposed to be the despair for the player, and damn well it works, cause I'm gonna do my version of how he could survive
so I see many arguments saying that he should have died because that he is depressed after Mondo was killed, and I think that should be his character development. Taka should have learned how to move on, learning how being sad and shut-in wouldn't help anyone, and how his death would basically killing Mondo's legacy.
A thing that I think could also be a good arc is realizing how morality isn't black and white. Someone who you looked up too, can do some nasty things, and I feel like that would relate to his backstory, how he sees his grandfather as an antagonistic figure in his life, maybe realizing that his grandfather and family isn't as bad as he thought. This could also relate back to Mondo, and I do think this arc should have started ever since he became friends with Mondo. Mondo is the complete opposite of Taka, he breaks the law, he has a biker gang, and he is, again, a murderer.
Taka would have learned (in a subtle way) that maybe there are some gray areas in morality, and for that belief to be crushed down when Mondo was revealed as a killer. He could have thought that, when someone is bad, they stay at it, and to relearn it all again, in a more focused way. For someone with such a black and white view on morality, hell, being the ultimate moral compass, he is surrounded by many people who are in between or in the gray area. I feel like that would be such an interesting arc for him if he had survived.
This idea isn't that new, but plot-wise, basically having Taka and Hiro, switch. Taka being framed for killing Hiro and Hifumi isn't far off, consider he is already unstable with Kiyondo. After chapter 3 however, I think he would have sided with Byakuya. Again, this is where he would have relearned that gray morality. He would still have this "bad people would never change" and consider Sakura was revealed as the traitor, he would definitely side with Byakuya. After Sakura's death, however, he would have been surprised, and more so during the trial. Therefore, this is where he would have relearned that lesson. I think Taka could have also bonded with Aoi after the trial, with both having their best friends dead, in such a gray morality area. Taka would have comforted and apologized towards Aoi, and they could help each other move on.
and then mastermind reveals, and yatta yatta, things shouldn't be so different afterward. I'm not good at writing, nor does my ideas were never said before, I think I saw 3 comments similar to mine and it's pretty similar to what I wanna say, so yea, thanks for reading, I guess
i really like this comment.
This is one of the best explanations of how taka should've survived
Reminds me on Hiyoko who first gets her best friend killed and then once she slowly started to behave herself killed as well. At least Fujuhiko managed to survive (also literally every survivor in V3 looses someone dear to them, except for Shuichi, he looses Kaito as well as Kaede)
I just wanted Mukuro and the others to survive...
What are u doing here?
If only Junko wasn't bored :(
I completely agree. I think the survivors of ALL the games have a purpose, whether they're fan favorites or not. I wouldn't change any of the survivors of any of the games, because, even though I don't really like some of them, I think the surviving casts all have lots of chemistry and work really well together.
I like the fact that Celeste died (hear me out ok?) because when I first start playing a story game like danganronpa or watch an anime I go the the character list and pick out a character that I want to “be” and see what happens to “me” in the series. When I first saw Celeste I thought that she would be a very important character because her design was so striking and different. The fact that she died represents to me that no matter how important you look your still vounerable to the killing game
I'm every empathetic, so I like all of the characters in their own way, even if I don't like few of them.
VALID. I am the same way and am a Mokoto kinnie for this exact reason: I like everyone. Just. Everyone.
I think Kodaka mention that toko was one of his favorite/funniest characters. So I think he kept her in for bias. I mean she got a spin off game.
Imagine if
Mukuro in Junko disguise was there in the reveal of Junko being the mastermind
DR1 definitely has the best surviving cast and I wouldn't change it. For DR2 I would have the survivors be the same but add Hiyoko, chapter 3 in this game didn't need 2 victims. V3 had my least favourite survivors because it feels like they just tried to get a low number of survivors, even having Keebo blow himself up for no reason. My ideal survivors for V3 would be Shuichi, Angie, Miu, Rantaro and Ryoma
K1-B0 blowed up himself so he Can blow up the walls of the school freeing everyone
also keebo literally doesn't have a personality anymore besides being the audience surrogate by the very end of the last trial so i don't know what kind of life he could have even if he survived
I agree with you on the parts regarding DR1 and DR2, but not on V3.
I think Ryoma's character development involves his death and there weren't many other ways to make use of his view on life without him dying (and he's a good contrast for Kirumi's character).
If Rantaro lived, the mysteries of the killing game would be solved very easily using his survival perk. His death is also similar to the Impostor in DR2, he dies at the beginning because the truth that he wasn't Byakuya would appear early on.
Angie wouldn't have a lot to work with since her personallity and beliefs don't allow much character growth. Her death is also important to Himiko's development and if she lived the cult she created would still exist and it would be weird for the group to be divided into Angie's followers and tthe others the entire game.
Miu's death is also very important because it leads to Kokichi's plan to make everyone think he's the mastermind, which is really impontant to the plot. She couldn't be switched witn another person because she was the only one that had an intention to kill someone and the only one that seemed plausible to have that intention.
agree
but for v3 in my opinion would be shuishi(best protag in my opinion),tenko(if himiko was killed she could have a deep character development, also i think it would be cool if after himiko's death she started training with shushi,kaito and maki)and rioma or kaito(rioma deserved more development and i just liked kaito)
@@arthurmorita4524 I feel like Korekiyo and Rantaro could make for interesting survivors. If Tenko ended up retaliating against Angie because she was going to do the ritual and it was presented as much more dangerous it could work. Korekiyo could find out she's gonna confess and use the seance as a coverup for the complete ritual, robbing Tenko of redemption and Himiko a chance at reconciliation in exchange for Rantaro. It could all play out the same way, and none of the council members would be there to notice there was something off minus Keebo (because let's face it Himiko wouldn't). But instead of making everything clear, the new Rantaro just raises more questions. Unbeknownst to even himself, he's just another lie mule for the true mastermind.
Genocide Jack/Jill/Syo whatever is an interesting character but I wish ahe wasn’t a horrible representation of an alter due to DID
Have you ever watched Total Drama All Stars? Because Mike literally cured his DID with a press of a button. It's so offensive to everyone.
Who's better: Toko or Mike?
@@MeeMeeCandy777 It doesn’t matter which one’s better if they’re both bad.
@@ambervargas4365 So you did watch Total Drama All-Stars before!
But I don't care about that. I love Toko while Mike is moved to B tier.
OMG SAMEE, I love how loud she is and all, but c'mon, why the "oh no my "other side" murders you oh no" plot
What's DID mean?
This might be my favorite video on Danganronpa Trigger Happy Havoc, I think everything's on point
People hate Yasuhiro but if you were in a killing game where you could die at any moment, you’d be terrified
Friendly reminder that Chihiro is a guy
A cross dressing cisgender MALE
im 99% sure this comment is going to start some stuff in a few weeks
I was disappointed that Chihiro wasn't actually transgender, but as a transgender woman myself, I'd be a hypocrite to not take identity seriously, so I do appreciate your post!
@@KnallisSillan Even though hes backstory is already interesting, it wouldve been cool for him to be trans xd
Well more like he's a bi guy, who is extremely shy!
@BitterOrange idk 😂
This guy just destroyed UDG and was like "Okay now that is logical"
“Just because she is always fighting with the cast”
Me: *cough cough* Byakuya
Ok i realized that Taka and Rantaro both died for the same reason...
Their talent
#1(Taka) He showed up to the meeting with Hifumi because he is the ultimate moral compass.
#2 (Rantaro) He died because Tsumugi (the mastermind) didnt want Rantaro to know his Talent.
Changing the survivor in V1 will fuck up the future arc (and everyone's chemistry between the v1 survivors is so good)
From what I’ve heard most of the Danganronpa fandom find Danganronpa 3 (especially the Future arc) to be a really mixed bag. So I’m not completely sure about your first point.
And it doesn’t hurt to have the occasional alternate timeline. Kinda like what the Fate series is doing.
I would keep Chihiro and throw in Hifumi in his place, and Yasuhiro in the third chapter. Chihiro would have a chance to develop more, and Mondo could kill Hifumi because A: He doesn't like how Hifumi made Chihiro so uncomfortable, and B: Hifumi STILL does have the confidence that Mondo can lack. The want to do something greater with his art.
Celeste DID use Yasuhiro to frame him, so that could even go a bit darker too. She could frame it as a murder suicide. But she left a little too much evidence and gets caught.
I fail to see why Hifumi would choose to meet at night with Mondo like Chihiro did. The murder suicide idea does seem kinda interesting tho
I honestly agree that the survivors were the perfect choices. You have each character with a different personality and not one is similar. It’s a cast with great dynamic and I don’t think anyone else would have been better!
I think that Celestia would cause two conflicts:
1. She would help Togami in creating an emotions vs facts conflict
2. She would create a conflict truth vs lie. She wouldn't trust anyone and anything. Celestia would also say that sometimes lies are better than truth.
I think that Celesti should have been the 7th sutvivor/be a survivor instead of Yasuhiro
Also she liked kyoko and may start conflict with makoto because she would have been jealous of his friendship with her.
@@somebody8927 Actually, it is implied that Celestia has some sort of a crush on Makoto, so I think she would rather stay friends with Kirigiri and Makoto (possibly becoming the canon "waifu" for Makoto lol)
@@hannahwright198 that would have been interesting to see in the anime, I feel like makoto would rely on Celeste after kyoko “died”.
Taka been the culprit in the third trial would make much more sense than Celeste. he would kill hifumi and yasuhiro, and know Celeste could be a survival and make some interactions between her and byakua which can lead to toko getting jealous and maybe getting a development.
I wish Sakura and Chihiro had survived, Chihiro had so much potential and sakura's death was outta the blue, but without Chihiro Mondo's execution and backstory stuff wouldnt have had the same "punch"
Hagakure and Toko (pretty sure it's her and not Syo) have this really wonderful and funny exchange in either Chapter 4 or 5's class trail where they strangely get along for a bit and for that alone, I am fine with their survival (amongst other things of course).
I always liked Toko Fukawa from the beginning yet thought she would end up as a victim. I was happy she survived and made it out. And her role in UDG made her one of my all time favourite Danganronpa characters due to her massive character developement.
I personally think taka should’ve lived longer
I’m not sure how I feel about him surviving but at least let him live another chapter and adapt some things because I feel like an just one more part of a chapter or could’ve done wonders to his writing.
Or even develop more with him in chapter three instead of focusing on the alter ego, Hifumi, taka triangle subplot as much as they did.
Couldn't agree more with your points! I think the cast of the first game was really great in terms of how they reacted to the situations they were put in, not only the survivors, but all the ones who died. It made me really feel for them. Even though the future games improved a lot of things, the characters were never as realistic, grounded and relatable as the DR1 cast.
can we get some love for yasuhiro like my god he gets so much hate. Yeah he wasn’t as important as he could have been but he’s just adorable in end of hopes peak. Just watching him be incompetent while Naegi, Aoi, and Kirigiri are trying not to die, while its annoying to some people, was hilarious to me. Toko was an absolutely required survivor since she’s the perfect teammate for Komaru. Byakuya is probably my second favorite character in this game, but im not being bjased when i say he played i giant role after the first game and his death would have fucked up everything. He helped to convince Hajime to stop the game, he saved Naegi from being killed because of Ryota’s stupidity, he saved Komaru. If he wasn’t there, everything would be different. And also makoto. He might be slightly boring in the game, but his actions after he escapes really makes him even more important. He gets told to fucking commit suicide just because someone is suspicious of him, lets that same someone attempt to kill him, then use what he’s figured out by that person’s actions alone what their forbidden action is, and puts him in a situation where he has no choice but to listen to him if he wants to leave all in one anime while being beat up every 3 minutes. His actions are amazing and his personality is even better. Just seeing him being so optimistic is adorable. This next thing I’m going to write about has major spoilers for end of hopes peak and danganropa 2, so turn away now.
Makoto in Danganronpa 2 is amazing. Seriously, i just love it. When you’re walking the halls of the abandoned school hajime sees Alter ego, and after Monokuma steps im, Naegi speaks to hajime directly from the outside which gave me fucking chills. When you get to the graduation ceremony and a fake makoto comes it was so creepy and i loved it. The way his dialogue is just slightly different, the way you figure out he’s fake by asking about the code is amazing. Speaking of the code, even better. I just like how he says the code was from a friend to help him when he was in need, and he sets it 11037 is just heartbreaking. When he comes in he tries to convince hajime to start the shutdown sequence but doesn’t force it onto him. He tells them all the full truth (despite byakuya’s protests) and lets them make their own decisions. Then, in end of hopes peak, he gets told someone from the first killing game will die because of him. When its revealed to be Kirigiri and they see her forbidden action was having Naegi alive in the fourth round, Naegi fully admits that he would have killed himself to save her. Him actually trying to kill himself after that actually scared me half to death. Honestly it was the first time in danganronpa i thought i would literally scream. I didn’t. But still. Him just getting smacked into the wall to stop him because someone FUCKING CUT OFF THEIR HAND JUST TO STOP THE KILLER was amazing. I fucking love future arc if yall couldn’t tell. He is being put on trial for treason at the start of the show and doesn’t back down at all. He is faced with death and just keeps going multiple times. And this is why Naegi is the best character from danganronpa 1. Despite all the shit that happens to him he just keeps going. He looks forward but doesn’t try to erase the past. I honestly look up to him. Also he can rock a suit which should count for something seriously what the fuck why don’t people ever talk about that-
As a huge fan of Makoto (Hiro’s cool too), this was a delight to read. I agree with so much of it! :)
genocied jack and toko are 2 different people
I would replace hagakure with junko (mukuro). That would’ve made a wayyy more interesting story.
yup! imagine the 6th chapter and her revealing her true identity with junko, but maybe like rebelling junko or something
I think it would have really weakened both the chapter 5 and 6 mysteries. the fact that mukuro (as junko) died so early really sold the fact that no one suspected her, so if mukuro had lived the mystery would be a lot easier to see coming.
Imagine if how surprised the characters would be after finding our that junko is the master mind but it's not the junko they are thinking of.
@@kanenanda3300 that is what happened lmao, bc they were imagining mukuro as junko
@@whatthehelliot yes, but they barely knew her and never really got to form a bond with her
Celeste is by far my favorite character in the Danganronpa universe, so I came up with how she could have influenced the story should she not have died.
Celeste uses her influence to control those who are weaker. It’s why she uses Hifumi to kill Taka (I rally hope I’m remembering this right it’s been a while). Ultimately, the best way for Celeste to have survived he trial was to not kill Hifumi, as Hifumi would be considered the Blackened. Another option (I also don’t know if this is possible within the rules) would have been to have only Taka’s body be discovered, then having the trial focus in his death, resulting in the culprit being the deceased Hifumi.
Regardless of how it happens, Celeste makes it to Chapter 4. She needs a new person to control so that she can remain in power. The only person who is a viable target is Hiro, a target Celeste would have no problem taking over.
In my mind, the overall story would unfold similarly, however, Celeste would use Hiro’s fear of Sakura against him, causing Hiro to kill Sakura before the poison takes her life. Then Hiro would be the blackened and would die from execution. As long as Celeste’s involvement doesn’t get exposed, the story would remain the same until the end, with Celeste taking Hiro’s spot in the survivors.
However, should Celeste’s involvement be exposed, one way or another, Hina would go berserk. The corpse that the group finds after Sakura’s death would likely not be used, as Junko would sense Hina’s anger and despair. Hina would likely find a way to kill Celeste and probably own up to it so no one else would die. The class trial would be short, and Hina would be executed as the blackened. From there, the remaining 4 students (probably an exception being Byakuya) would fall into an intense despair without the emotional tether of Hina, and would likely spend the rest of their lives in the school, or Junko would find a different way to keep the game going (but it would be incredibly hard, no one would have any motivation whatsoever.)
Anyways, that’s why thoughts. Celeste is still my favorite I like her design and she’s cool. Yeah ok I’m done now.
Honestly if chapter 5 wasn't just a troll I feel like Byakuya would've died their
He can't die. It's impossible. He is the Ultimate Affluent Progeny after all. Byakuya's development wouldn't let him die. He is the only rival who survived.
The one who should've died in chapter 5 is Kirigiri.
@@ryzhik9608 I don’t know about Kyoko dying but I wholeheartedly agree with Togami surviving
@@ryzhik9608 no, no one shouldve died there, 6 people is the perfect amount to end the 1st game with
I think hiro wouldve
@lols I don’t think so. At the end of chapter 4 Byakuya makes its clear he doesn’t intend to play the killing game and shows a slight (though very very slight) care for the other students. It’s clear during the chapter 5 investigation and especially chapter 6 investigation that Hina and Byakuya at the very least no longer hate each other. If chapter 4 didn’t end the way it did with everyone agreeing to go against the mastermind then I would agree Byakuya would probably be the victim. That’s just my take though
"Toko and hiro are most hated" me sitting ere seeing so many aoi should've died
Naegi is optimistic because he's the Ultimate Hope. He doesn't realise it, but his attitude shows it. That's why at the end of the game, when Kirigiri mentions that Naegi is the Ultimate Hope, his role in the ebook changes (or at least in the Japanese version)
I know he’s the protagonist but damn he is really brave
very well done and written video. Everyone gives their opinions on the game but give respect to this guy giving such a well done and thought out video. Props to you
I’d switch Ishimaru and Yasuhiro. Yasuhiro added literally nothing to the story other than being put in a suit and hitting Sakura with a bottle, which everyone else did. And Ishimaru died before he could get his real character development so by surviving instead of Yasuhiro, he could grow as a character since Yasuhiro didn’t.
The fact that Taka died before getting his character development is super sad, that's why I think it was a perfect time for him to die. Yasuhiro's dead probably wouldn't have had that much impact on the player.
I would want Makoto, Byakuya, Kyoko, Toko/Jack, Taka, and Mukuro to survive. I really think Taka got the short end of the stick and I think it would be super interesting to see what would happen if Mukuro somehow survived the impaling and from that betrayal switched over to the side of hope. I know the likely hood of her surviving are slim, and her switching over even slimmer, but it'd be really interesting to see how the group deals with a person who is partly responsible for the situation their in.
I feel like Celeste was kinda teased with survival along with byakuya and kyoko but then she committed a murder most foul
I like your analysis on the characters, your cool in my book as a Danganronpa fan.
The only group of survivors I had any problem with was sdr2
Sonia and Kazuichi got no development, Akane got a little but the stuff she did get was little scraps
toko had to survive because if toko died then genocide jack would not survive and genocide jack had a important part in the plot as genocide jack had memories that toko did not . thus , toko surviving had to happen in order to help with finding out the mastermind . i don’t know who would replace toko/jack who would keep the plot very simular .
Don't forget Ultra Despair Girls!
imagine if everyone survived
I think another important point in the favor of Leon being killed and not Hagakure (never mind that the latter is legit my favorite character in the series) is, on top of the latter being much more surprising, that past all their similarities of fearfulness, Leon Kuwata is honestly the most normal person in the game.
Like, sure, Makoto is a kinda milquetoast guy whose point is being extremely average in all but his extreme, inhuman optimism and tenacity, but Leon is a disaffected teenager who isn't really sure what he wants to do with his life. He's kind of shallow, just wanting to impress girls, and resents what he feels life pushes him towards, yet at the same time grows to miss baseball after awhile spent unable to play. There's something very relatable about him to most young people, I think; if you aren't Leon, you know a lot of Leons, and they're generally fine dudes with their issues. A character like him also slots neatly into that sort of "bro" archetype, the sort of thing that Kazuichi and Kaito in the later games fill in their own unique ways, so he seems like a pretty easy pick for a relatively average person's perspective on the game. Though he's not without his eccentricities, he's also perfectly capable of hitting the straight man role too, generally clearly being a well-adjusted guy with his whole life ahead of him.
Then he's the first person in the game, first in the franchise, who kills somebody. This very normal guy was driven to such a horrible extreme by the pressures of the killing game so soon, and this very normal guy breaks down and is dragged screaming into an excruciating, torturous death. That sticks with you forever. There were only even executions in the same conversation as his during, like, v3, and I'd still say most of them are weaker.
If anybody but him was the first culprit, a role he was legitimately designed perfectly to fill, the entire tone of Danganronpa as a whole would be worse off, I think.
I know this is a older video..but I definitely disagree with Kiyotaka. I hate how he was not mourned in the least and his death just felt brushed off. He has the same issues as Hiyoko with that getting cut off out of nowhere. I think the survivors are perfect..but I will admit I didn’t care for Yasuhiro much cause I want a fan of his comedy. But I understand he is fun for others and I’m glad for that! I’m happy he survived for that reason alone! I just really wish Taka survived and I feel like it would be a better idea for Celeste to frame him for Hifumi’s death due to the whole Kiyondo situation and seeing how he would be after watching alter ego get executed. The missed potential and such just makes me angry about his death instead of feeling despair about it. It felt like Celeste could have just killed Hifumi and the whole game would be close to the same thing. Idk maybe it’s my Taka bias talking but it still gets me upset to think about. Great video nonetheless and you bring some great points! Makes me wish the distrust system was used so every character could get something.
i completely agree! i think the diverse cast in dr1 is really nice.
"Hiro's flaw is immense fear"
Also greed, bad decision making, single digit IQ, the list goes on.
Celeste could have been a survivor because they could have used the V3 rule first killer becomes blackened, and the conflict would be similar to Genociders, as there was a killer and you could never tell if she would strike because of her poker face.
As much as I love the surviving cast, I would have loved to see Mondo replace Toko or Yasuhiro in the surviving cast. I just think his character had so much nuance and depth and had SO much room for a more thoroughly-explored character arc
Celeste feels like a secondary antagonist to Byakuya, kind of like Korekiyo to Kokichi.
In all honesty, I believe Taka should have survived instead of Yasuhiro. Like many other characters in these games, his development was cut short, which really upsets me because he was one of my favorites, but that's not the reason why I think he should have survived, because I believe there was a reason Celeste and Peko, two of my other favorite characters, died, but I see no reason to kill Taka. Yasuhiro, on the other hand, is a very bland character, who didnt get any particular development, even though my opinions wouldn't have resonated if, for example, he overcame his fears in a more developing way. Plus, they could have easily switched the idiocy they play off for Yasuhiro for Taka's rules and not getting jokes at times. May I also add it would be great if Taka had to accept Mondo's death over the whole ordeal in chapters two and three. Overall, I believe Yasuhiro didnt add much to the ending, but I respect your opinions and beliefs as much as mine.
It would've been SO easier for Celeste to frame Ishimaru than Yasuhiro. Ishimaru is already unstable she could've used the money motive Monokuma had as an advantage cause Taka needed it for his family's debt
In my opinion
DR1
-Makoto Naegi
-Kyoko Kirigiri
-Byakuya Togami
-Celestia Ludenberg
-Toko Fukawa
-Kiyotaka Ishimaru
DR2
(IDK)
DRV3
-Shuichi Saihara
-Miu Iruma
-Tenko Chabashira
I totally agree with you!!!
From DR2 I would switch Sonia with Hiyoko tbh
My opinion:
Dr1:
Makoto Naegi
Toko Fukawa
Kyoko Kirigiri
Aoi Asahina
Chihiro Fujisaki
Junko Enoshima
DR2:
Hajime Hinata
Nagito Komaeda
Nekomaru Nidai
Ibuki Mioda
Chiaki Nanami
V3:
Angie Yonaga
Gonta Gokuhara
Rantaro Amami
Miu Iruma
For me, it'd be:
DR1:
-Makoto Naegi
-Kyoko Kirigiri
-Aoi Asahina
-Mukuro Ikusaba
-Chihiro Fujisaki
-Kiyotaka Ishimaru
DR2:
-Hajime Hinata
-Gundham Tanaka
-Sonia Nevermind
-Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
-Peko Pekoyama
-Chiaki Nanami
DRV3:
-Kaede Akamatsu
-Rantaro Amami
-Gonta Gokuhara
-Himiko Yumeno
-Tenko Chabashira
-Miu Iruma
@@awsomeness1214 Why all of you gotta hate on Sonia? I would switch Akane with Hiyoko. Fuck that.
Lmao the auto generated text calls genocide jack dinosaur jack
Toko and genocide Jack are my favorite characters for a bunch of reasons and I think if they were separate they wouldn't be half as interesting.
Honestly i understand why these 6 were the survivors
danganronpa really likes popular characters to die
and i understand that. it makes the story more exiting and fun
I disagree with Celeste not bringing any conflict to the table. From chapter 1 she was talking a lot about "survival of the fittest" and "game of survival". With this, it makes her a realist where she could have brought a "realist vs idealist" fight between Makoto. She would be the one to bring Makoto down a peg by telling him that his optimism is way too unrealistic in deadly situations.
Not to mention, I would like to have Celeste receive some character development where he decides to drop the prim and proper act and perhaps even remove her fake hair tornado accessories after she opens up to the group.
Unfortunately, for Celeste to survive, Yasuhiro has to be the one to be the blackened instead. (I don't hate him, he's just a neutral character to me.) I find it very unlikely for Taka to kill someone so it has to be Yasuhiro to do the killing. I hated Celeste's motive for being the blackened in chapter 3 and found it to be ridiculous as hell why she would do that.
What would Yasuhiro's reasonings be for killing Taka and Hifumi? well... for that I would have to change the motive in chapter 3 from the 1 billion dollars to a precious gemstone, this entices Yasuhiro as he knows the gemstone has a legend where the gemstone has a god that can grant a wish. He kills 2 people as he thinks he is killing the lives of some to save the lives of many to get the stone to wish back the group even if they failed to guess who the culprit is.
I wish this was real
so true the surviving cast is so perfect
Everyone is saying how they wanted Taka to survive and I’m just like-
Okay but what about Chihiro?
chihiro was good but I think he had to die for the alter ego subplot to work out
@@bakeryfiskree5927 That is true. I didn't think of that when writing this. If Chihiro had survived, he most likely would have taken Makoto's place as Alter Ego would not save Makoto, and we can't have the protagonist die. Though I still wish Chihiro had survived, it is simply impossible. At least I think it is.
TBH, I hate Chihiro’s guts.
I just hate how he really didn’t do much other than whine and cry in the short timeframe he was alive in. Then he made a McGuffin, then he died and everyone cried. (Hehe, that rhymed!) Yep, I would pay to watch him get put on a 4-way intersection and become roadkill.
@@vriskaserketvore413 LMAOO i dont even play these games anymore but i think i remember chihiro. ill have to look that mf up tho. from what i remember he was like a crybaby or smth idk sounds annoying af
I like to think Toko's purpose is to show how one can be drenched in despair, but have the will to cling to hope and survive. Shes a shutin and no one seems to like her filling her with despair. Thanks to Byakua at the start (even though he didnt mean it) gives her just the slightest bit of hope that leads her to trust everyone and and crawl out of despair and into hope.
My picks :
Makoto, Mukuro, Kirigiri, Ishimaru, Toko, Togami
I woulda loved to see Celeste survive as she didn kill Hifumi cuz he survived the hammer blow but died later from it. Would have been interesting to see her continue but everyone not trust her and to see her just spiral even further. Shes my favorite and there are some interesting ways shed influence everyone. Maybe she could be heavily involved exposing the mastermind and obly then do they trust her again.
Celeste and Kyoko were really close (before she dies we do sort of see her open up to kyoko because that’s the only person she trusted) so it would be kind of interesting to see her sort of try to replace makoto due to her jealousy