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Great video as always. I would love to see some in wall speaker reviews. Due to my limited space the planned single garage conversion is the only pace to create a more dedicated cinema area. This means in wall speakers are a must to reduce clutter. In wall speakers reviews seem to be hard to come by from thorough reviewers like yourself. It would also give you more Klipsch speakers to review that you have not reviewed yet. Monitor Audio CP series were also ones I was thinking of for the room.
@@homeofVash We may at some point put together a review of the in-ceiling speakers we have but doing reviews of in walls or anything that requires construction is simply not realistic.
I think it is great that Klipsch had refined their new speakers. It is a fine line when you try to make a speaker more linear AND maintain the "house" sound. Some die hards may not like it, but then why are there companies like Bob Crites and ALK Engineering selling upgrades for Klipsch speakers? Paul Klipsch's dream was a two way Klipschorn, but he was limited by the technology available and had to make it a three way speaker. I fell in love with the La Scala as a teenager so there will always be a soft spot in my heart for Klipsch. I have moved on to vintage Altec speakers. It can be a slightly more expensive habit.
Hi Andrew, just wanted to say thank for all the wonderful work you and Kristi do. I really enjoy the different perspectives each of you brings to the subject matter. You are truly the voice of reason in the world of audio reviews!
The 600m (first gen) are just amazing. They make me smile and happy every single time I listen to them. It's good that Klipsch released a new version, but I don't see myself upgrading any time soon. Thanks for the detailed video!
Love mine too.. I’m just a simple average audiophile guy I’m using it with a 200 dollar Sony amp/media combo with a klipsh 120 sub still so happy when I listen to it.. also what is that speaker stand you’re using ? I’m intrigued and wana upgrade my current stands
I agree @MmaybeLaterr, but my system is the complete Bowers & Wilkins 600 (series 1 with the yellow kevlar midranges). Why would we want to spend thousands more on incremental improvements? Something Andrew has mentioned on several occasions and why I will always contibue watch his and Kristi's videos 👍
I just bought the Klipsch RP-160m on sale, basically the model before the 600m. And same! Absolutely smiling whenever i listen to them. Paired them with the BlueSound Powernode (80w x2)
I like the v1 better. They are more revealing. V2 is even more forward. Not a good upgrade even if you don't have any and they are the same price, in my subjective opinion
Andrew, I just wanted to say that I **LOVE** that you have brought Kristi into the conversation. She provides an important perspective and ALSO your back and forth with her, brings out more color on your perspective as well. Well done! Both of you!
Bought the RP-600M a month ago. Enjoy them immensely, first new speaker purchase since my Athena AS-B1's 26 years ago(still really like those) but the Klipsch-RP600M can be heard clearly by my wife who wears hearing aids. As soon as she said that in the store, I was sold on the Klipsch. Great reviews, new subscriber but watching your content for over a year.
As a owner of the original 600M and 6000 F’s I have been so in love with the 600 M’s from day one and see’s daily use in my system. The only way they will be removed from my system is if Klispch makes a true Heritage bookshelf speaker. Removed but not gone…. Come on Andrew make it happen as well as the Heritage sub you so badly want. Great review. Happy Sunday. 👍🏾
Hey Andrew. I’m not really responding to this particular video. I love all of your videos. I watch them on my television, but I need to get my phone to respond to you like now. I think I’m just like you. I’ve been buying stereo equipment since I was 12 years old.Keep it up dude. You’re killing it.
Great review as usual Andrew! I went from Polk to Klipsch (both towers) and was blown away. The soundstage and center imaging was incredible to the point where I kept checking my center channel to ensure it was off. LOL. For the money, I think the reference premier is best in class. If money was no object, Paradigm would be my choice but for now, still ballin’ on a budget.
Don’t know how you guys do it, but your reviews just keep getting better! Very much appreciate the amount of production quality you pack into a review. I am a big Klipsch fan and have been toying with replacing our front channels on the home system. The 600 looks like a real contender Thanks again for an awesome review
I listened to these at a local audio shop. Compared them to Dynaudio emit10, Focal Chorals, etc. I bought them for around $450. I think at $450 I am pretty happy. I know there is better, but under $500 was a MUST for me. I have seen other reviewers totally trash them! $/performance is important to me. Nice review, it made me feel better about my purchase and my ears. Thanks again!
@@georgerosenfeld Don't know too much pricing now but as if this reply, Mercari has then with shipping around $450. Klipsch always has sales too, it's about timing as we both know.
The original is a great budget speaker I like it best listening at night down low sometimes I enjoy it so much I get no sleep at all. Don’t let complaints like crossover stop you from owning these for a few hundred if you want speakers that the crossover cost 300 for each speaker then spend the money for those but nothing can rip on these speakers at this price point I can enjoy these for a lifetime and let someone else pay the audiophile premium tax if you know what I mean.
Oh also PEQ. One thing folks might like to know is that if these are like the previous model, they have excellent directivity and therefore respond very well to Parametric eq - which means the speaker can be tweaked to taste without generating conflicting issues in the process. This ability is a rare and excellent trait. (Accurate/Consistent Directivity)
Hi Andrew I have just bought my 1st Klipsch speakers the R51m they had only been used for about 20 hours, mine for only £160 I am so pleased with them I now understand why Klipsch speakers are so well reviewed.
A few days ago I bought a pair of Klipsch rp-500m ii and I liked their sound; they are my first Klipsch and they exceeded my expectations. The characteristic of their sound that I liked the most is that I hear the voices up front, I like that prominence; on the other hand, the high frequencies were not aggressive to my ears. I paired them with a Rotel 1572mkii integrated and a velodyne subwoofer. Good video.
Maybe you should trial the RP-500M ii with the RP-600M ii with same technology. Some reviewers feel the 500 is a better balanced speaker, but I want your opinion.
I just purchased and set up six pair of the new Klipsch 600V2..😊 why you might ask?? Well in a very large room that's forty-five feet long and 30ft wide.. I put a333 configuration on each of the four walls about 5 ft above the floor..+ 2 15 in 600 watt subwoofer set.. this sounds as good or better than a bunch of Tower floor standing speakers.. the power rating to the Klipsch 600m V2 is 200 w atts x 😊 Twelve of these.. I understand that that many may be able to afford that sort of setup but it is absolutely sonically awesome. Being 5 foot off the floor it's above all the furniture and there is no complexion with the sound because of the fact that they are away from all furnishings together. So if you can give it a try I think you'll like it😊
It sounds like the new 600M II has had some internal upgrades? I have to wonder, that other channel that talks about cheesy cross-overs, I wonder if the manufacturers are now listening?
I don't trust that reviewer personally their cross overs are cheap but that guy is talking about changing the sound of klipsch completely and also killing its sensitivity rating making it harder to drive that being said klipsch midrange has always lacked
@@Sc2God724 For the money Klipsch charges, they could use much better internal parts. Most manufacturers could, but like the automotive companies, it is not about quality, it is about the bottom line.
@@michaelwright1602 My local hifi shop has the KLH model 5, they had one apart to show internals, nice BUT they may pay $250 to build a pair but sell them for $2500... The markup on hifi is very high
He's not Voldemort, you can say his name lol. Danny Richie is in it for the money as much as anyone else. Given that he sells crossover upgrades, it's in his personal interest to find fault with other manufacturers' designs.
My Heresy IVs ROCK! My advice to Klipsch, take a lesson from Harley-Davidson! They attempted for the last decade to pursue the non-Harley rider and failed, nearly bankrupting the brand. A new CEO who realized they needed to pursue their core customer was hired and now they are selling motorcycles again at a profit. They are focused on pleasing their customer rather than converting others. Do what you do to the best of your ability.
As a Klipsch fan, I'm only happy to hear it. The ONLY thing I change with DSP on my R-51PM pair is to SLIGHTLY bump the midrange and treble a little bit, then they just.. come alive. You "lift the veil" and it truly sounds like the performers are in the room. Really curious about this whole new Reference Premiere series, hopefully you'll review more of them.
I bought the 600 m 5 days ago knowing absolutely nothing of reviews or opinions. I installed them to a 2 channel receiver that puts out 100 watts per channel. I listened to my new Denon turntable, cds and Blu-ray music, I listened to bluetooth music. I was just totally thrilled. For example I listened to “tempted” by Squeeze, and it was shaking my sternum and I heard little percussion things that I never remembered hearing before and I was in heaven. Then I got on you tube and these guys with graphs and sh!t told me that objectively the 600 m speakers are horrible and you are not hearing a huge chunk of the music from the source. They proved to me that my extreme level of joy and satisfaction is not really happening at all. Says so right there on paper that I am not enjoying it and I am not hearing what I am hearing. That soon I will develop listening fatigue. So even though I love love the sound, I know it’s not a good sound at all so I tore them out of the receiver and just chucked them out into the street. I can’t believe how full of crap some of these guys are with their graphs and their snotty little pot belly attitudes. I am so glad I didn’t watch the bad reviews before purchasing. I probably would have spent 3 times as much and hated myself for that. Graphs be darned I love the way they sound.
Your anger feels a little misplaced here. We like this speaker and say as much in the review, graphs and all. As I always say, the only person who has to like the sound of your system is you.
Outstanding review both the content and visuals! I have the Cornwall IV’s and I agree with you that the midrange is recessed relative to the top and bottom. Maybe, as you suggest, that’s what people think of as the “Klipsch sound”, though to me, the thing that sonically differentiates Klipsch the most is their livelinesses at low volume. In this regard, they remind me of certain electrostatic speakers and are the opposite of typical planar magnetics and omnidirectional speakers; speakers that require lots of current and power to wake them up.
I like the old Klipsch sound better. This version is too refined for my taste and they boosted the mids in such a way you don’t get any of the smiley face EQ you had before. The best balance was the RF ii and RB ii from back in 2011 era. Still had titanium tweeters, but way more bold overall. I don’t care about speakers that are dead linear. As long as they’re not harsh. And those aren’t IMO. If all you listen to is maybe classical music, the new RP series works. If you’re rock, pop, jazz, house, go with older RF, RP, and RB ii. My opinion - there’s no ultimate answer here.
Thanks a lot for this review. After watching this I am using the RP-600M-II for half a year now with an A-S3200 and the small RP-1000SW. Perfect combination for my listening room I must say.
Maybe this statement will define me as not a true audiophile and that’s okay, but I love my Klipsch Fortes and my RB-61 ii’s so much. Playing records on my Rega Planar 6 through my NAD c388 and hearing them on Klipsch speakers makes me very happy!!
Thank you, Andrew! I got the Sevens. Because you say so, love it, and replace my the Fives! They are so great with TV ARC feed and you don't wanna use a sound bar. Now I found 600M to replace my old Cornwall II.
You guys are awesome thanks for all the advice and questions you answer in these videos. I’m no audio geek but however during my career I’ve done some very high end theaters and home audio distribution. Now it’s my turn and I have to pick and chose what’s going to be in in my home. Let me tell you I like showing up at the shop and just picking up the stuff and installing instead of designing my own system. You have made it easy to figure out how to design and choose what I want. Hope this make sense
I too wish I could just pick up the gear and be alright, it's maddening sometimes so I feel you! Thank you so much for watching and I'm glad we've been able to help.
I just ordered the original 600Ms. The new ones are probably a little bit better but the price difference is huge since the originals are being clearanced.
Thanks for the review. Really enjoy your production and presentation. I hope you do a review of the new Klipsch RP-8000f II as those are the ones I'm looking at for an upgrade from my current system.
Notes: After all the hype, I got the original RP600m. The lack of refinement and midrange drop out stood out. Lack of around 2K detail and presence. Crude really. I sold mine.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews It was an issue. When I got mine, a few of the over-the-top reviewers didn't seem to be listening closely enough. I have considered the MII.
I have the MkI 600M for a couple years now, really good speakers for the $300 I paid for at the time (“refurbished” but arrived like brand new). I won’t be rushing out to upgrade to the MkII for $500-$700, whatever sale price Klipsch has them up every month, anytime soon. If anything I would focus on upgrading the electronics first to get the most out of them.
Having owned the RP150m, i can summarize what others say that is true. Good bass. Thin male vocals, rich female vocals. Strident, sharp stringed instruments, realistic horn instruments, and ok but not great highs. I find the highs smooth and elevated but not as sparkly or detailed as other speakers such as b&w. The klipsch is not a warm speaker, but very lively.
In answer to Kristis question, i cant say how fans or detractors might react. But i have a 9.2 home theater setup w all klipsch speakers from different eras and lines of the brand. Spoiler alert. Im a fan. So i will say the change doesnt upset me. I would love to hear them, and bet they would be to my liking in any of my three audio setups. The minor loss in sensitivity is not a deal breaker if the quality is overall improved
I have the 600M II and Heresy 1 - and while I like the 600M II, for loud orchestral music (like Respighi Pines of Rome or Mahler, etc.) I like the tonal balance of the Heresy much better. Given they're quite different speakers in design and age overall I still have a strong preference for the Klipsch Heritage series. I sit within large orchestra brass sections playing the kind of music mentioned previously and I haven't heard any other speaker - including the supposedly "smooth and linear" speakers that another commenter prefers and who claims Klipsch is for party/home theater - that comes close to being able to reproduce what an actual brass section sounds like.
My 600M's are mounted on the top of my back wall for Rear height surrounds and do a fanatastic job of keeping up with RP-280F's and RP-280-FA's. I won't care if they go a bit more neutral as the sound is perfect for my ear and tastes liking everything from 16th century choral to very modern. Thanks!
Andrew and Kristi, I've yet to go wrong on one of your recommendations. I got the Heco Aurora 1000 based on your recommendation of the 700. Great sound but unfortunately after a few months the aesthetics of a white speaker got to me. I then read your oh so comprehensive review of the new Klipsch RP600M ii. It is everything you said it was. I was not expecting the huge, accurate sound that comes out of those small boxes. They put me in the recording venue. The aesthetics also could not be a better fit for my room. Keep up the excellent work. Your exchanges at the end of videos are brilliant. They are the role model for how to respectfully discuss differences of opinion. Were you aware you are teaching good communication skills?
RP600M is a love or hate product. I bought it and I’ve returned because it’s too much V-shaped, no mids at all. After I tested I saw a lot of measurements showing a large dip on 2kHz or so. I’ve decided to stick with my old RB51-II. Since I’m using it with a sub, it’s more than enough. Later on I saw a 500M measurement and I saw impressed that is doesn’t have any of the issues we see on 600’s
Same here. Did an A/B test against some Omega and KEF speakers and the 600s have basically no mid range. Almost hollow. But great bass and treble. I just prefer mids be better than the rest if I need to choose
In a 2 way design, a smaller 5.25 inch speaker, or a 6.5 with a phase plug is going to work better. The reduction in cone area means the speaker will play higher before beaming and sound better off axis. That's why the smaller woofers sound better. Yes you sacrifice bass, but not much. Plus, that's what subwoofers are for anyways. 6.5 or larger woofer in a 2 way design is not a good idea. Might sound good perfectly on axis, but off axis, response will get worse. Lower the crossover point and the compression driver will suffer. Basically should be a 3 way design at this point. But larger woofers sell, so these so-so designs will continue.
@@tonyb3350 I totally agree. In my setup I use my Rb-51II in sealed mode close to my wall and it crosses with my sub at 80Hz without a problem. I’m almost sure that a 4” speaker would do the job either. I don’t understand why people keeps choosing larger woofers or even towers with multiple woofer (and a lot of alignment problems ) to use with sub. The bass from larger books are artificial. Usually they have a large 80-100 Hz bump to impress the audience but have no extension and, if you use with a Sub, you are going to crossover at 80 Hz anyway and you’re going to get a much more powerful and cleaner bass.
@@tonyb3350 I don't experience any issues you mentioned with my Focals which have a 7 inch driver and Monitor Audio Silver 8 inch woofers do an excellent job too. The issues with MA are that upper mids and highs can sound a bit compressed and shouty, too much all at once rather than showing subtle changes in music/soundtracks. Need more refinement in those areas. But there is something special about a well designed and implemented 5.25 inch driver.
Sounds good! (No pun intended...) I absolutely love Klipsch! My beloved Heresy 4's are still a blast and my favorite speakers, so far. I'm really familiar with the original 600m's, as I have a pair in my bedroom, I and am anxious to hear the difference with the new ones. Thanks for another great video, Andrew!
Ok, first time commenter… 600m ll with sub or 8000f ll. Mostly for 2 channel listening but would enjoy the options of home theater listening. Thanks in advance. Love the channel!!!!
600m II with sub! The sub is essential for home theater since the LFE channel is separate in movies but even music will benefit from the lower bass extension from a sub.
I run the older Reference Premier RP250F (powered by 2 Rotel mono amps at 100wpc). The front of the room has basic sound treatment and the towers are placed on outriggers that are isolated with anti-vibration pads. The overall 7.1 all Klipsch system is co trolled by an Onkyo TXNR828 (I rebuilt the buggy HDMI board my self), with Fluance RT85, Rolls Bellari preamp, Onkyo C7030 CD and Samsung Bluray. These speakers sound fantastic, much better than their 700.00 purchase price. Highs and mids are tight with a wide definitive soundstage. The twin 5" mid-bass drivers lack deep bass so I have added a 12" Klipsch sub. When set up properly, these speakers are in the entry "high-end" category. I sold high-end audio in the '80's and have owned some pretty respectable gear. Now in my mid 60's with a low budget and audiophile desires, I am very satisfied with my current rig.
I still think I’m going to end up with La Scalas as my endgame speaker some day. That or some Wilson’s, but probably some La Scalas married to a McIntosh, twin Decwares, Luxman or Accuphase. I’ve just got a feeling. But it’s nice to see the rest of the brand evolve.
Klipsch needs to make a decent center channel and get away from the MTM config. Their off axis response is way too narrow at +/-10 degree. I have the 440c I sit about 15 degrees from center and it sounds fine until I bend my head in and I'm hearing nuances that disappear just be moving 5 or so degrees away. Klipsch should make a 3 way for the RP line with a W T/M W topology. Their bookshelves/towers, Atmos and bipoles are perfectly good otherwise with some EQ to taper down those hot tweeters a bit.
I recently just paired the original rp600m with the Vista spark and found the spark refines the klipsch quite well - slightly taming the highs and filling out the famously scooped mids
I've never been so anxious to hear what Kristi thinks....and what she said has sold me on these guys. If Kristi likes them, they must be good. I have Klipsch RP400M's for my home cinema system, with Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-402S for surrounds, and a Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-500C for the center channel. And, of course, a nice big 10" Klipsch subwoofer to round out the system. They are fantastic, and the reason why I like them, is what Andrew said: the off-axis sound is impressive. Not everyone can sit in the "sweet spot" when watching TV's or movies, so having a nice WIDE sweet spot is a must, and the Klipsch really deliver in that regard. Most importantly, the speed and power of their woofers is just incredible, even on the originals models. Best combo home theater/music speakers on planet earth, bar none. The only brand I would go to as an upgrade to Klispch: Martin Logan.
I have no skin in the tribal game of brands, but I do own the rp600m and am still regularly impressed by them when they get their stand time. Everything you described about the mkII seems to be a step in the right direction for what I would improve with the current set. Cabinet bracing especially, as the older will resonate a bit. And if they improved quality of crossover and binding posts which results in clarity improvements, again a big yes. Like you two, I also wish that Klipsch went further with finish options. And I'm not talking the rarer piano black that they've done with older RP. Piano black is like owning a black car. Looks good new, but usually breaks your heart after a wash or in bright sun. How about painted finishes? Matte white. Or even vinyl wrap in graffiti tag by some upcoming artist? We all know speaker choice is often lifestyle based as these things stick out in a room. If I were Klipsch I would really push the style options. How about texture coated? Be bold Klipsch! Your sound is. Make the look match
My only complaint too about my RP-600M is the finish too. I have the ebony (black) vinyl finish/ While I was fine with the finish originally...it's starting to look really dull and artificial over time. I don't think it's just about the choice in color options but a better quality finish as a whole that Klipsch needs to reconsider.
I have a pair of upgraded Chorus 2's. These 90 pound loudspeakers has a 101db sensitivity. I upgraded the 25 year old crossover, it was time. Added a titanium tweeter, braced the interior cabinate and dampened the hornes, ect. I even added a bit of extra weight to the 15" rear passive radiator. All together it cost me, including the upgrades about $1400. I'll put these speakers up against almost anything. Realistically speaking of course. There are very expensive speakers out there that cost as much as a house.
As I own myself the original 600m and I totally love them! I'm getting curious how much of a difference there is between the v1 and V2. But my og 600m's will never go.
I think it’s funny how people talk about sound lol. I’m sure they hear the subtle differences and that’s good for them. You can connect this new version, the older version of these speakers and I’m sure they would sound the exact same to me lol 🤷♂️
Hy Andrew. Once again thanks for a good job buddy. I've changed my speakers 2 times since i started to watch your reviews, hahaha! My pockets are getting empty now, not a complaint. Thanks to you i found what suits my listening room finally and i can't wait to see you reviewing whats so called "The Future Of HIFI" KEF LS60 Wireless...
Just curious. How did you find the Klipsch RP-600M when compared to the Wharfedale Evo 4.1? What one did you feel was most neutral, while still keeping detail and clariity?
I changed from wharfedale evo 4.3 to klipsch rp600m II. Of course less Bass as wharfedale but much more precise and "dry". The highs are more louder and detailed. The stage is deeper and wider. Im a big Fan from Now of klipsch. Im really surprised by these. By they way a like tube amps anyway. And it fits perfect with my cayin mt12..
So you made mention of Alexis French and I have not been able to stop listening to him since. I don't remember which video it was, but THANK YOU for bringing this amazing artist into my repertoire!
Excellent review Andrew. May I ask what speaker stands those are? Really like them. They make those monitors and others you've reviewed look more upscale :)
Totally excited to get these speakers. I already made up my mind to get the the 600 M, so now I can put my savings effort towards 600M II yay! Great review as always.
I own a pair of 600m love them, I have two systems and I wish the 600's had a little more resolution for my upper system and a little more Center image are the new ones better in these two areas
I think sacrificing a smidge of sensitivity for a flatter frequency response is a win win. On the RP 8000F ii, the reported sensitivity is the same as before (in room 98dB/2.83V at 1m) but if they fixed the frequency hole from the last generation, it then appeals to a much wider audience. There are plenty of ruler flat offerings out there and what makes Klipsch unique is their higher sensitivity and engaging, livelier dynamics. In terms of price point, there aren’t too many mass market higher sensitivity offerings (>90dB) speaker lines so Klipsch really is in a unique position here to appeal to both casual music fans and die hard ASR measurement purists. Can’t wait to get my hands on the 8000F ii!
If you want a ruler flat FR +\- 1.5 db but still retain high sensitivity check out the LCR6000 THX series or KL-650 (previous iteration). They may be too neutral for some but I prefer accuracy to what the recording engineer wanted. They sound just as good on music as they do on movies.
Thank you, Tim! I don't believe they are fillable. If you are looking for a solid (pun intended) alternative that you can fill, give these a look: bit.ly/3lqYtny
@@andrewrobinsonreviews The company and the distributor (MoFi) both say they can be filled through the hole that the spikes screw into, and they both recommend it. And they just look SOOOO much cooler than standard ones like the Kanto.
Many will scratch their heads at using stands nearly as expensive as the speakers. In Andrew's and Kristi's defense, the SolidSteel stands allow them to better assess bookshelf speakers.
I sold klipch for 15 years and I am here to tell you their 3 way offerings are far superior to the mass market side of their line, Fortes may be the sweet spot
Verified…. Just exchanged my 3 week old Mark I pair for the updated Mark IIs. In my view, the Mark II upgrades are superior. (Better)! No regrets making the trade.
Andrew is correct- all of the performance and shortcomings of the M1 version have been address with the MII's. I lived with the MI for three weeks and powered them with three different amps- CD, turntable and Bluetooth inputs.
Were you using room correction on the mi? I'm using Yamaha ypao, and to my ears, it addresses the weaknesses at the crossover. Wondering if it's still worth swapping out for mii.
What would you match with the RP-504C? I have the RP-504C and am looking to replace the R-28F left and right channels. I was going to go for the RP-8000F tower, but I have two SVS subs and because of your review I am now considering RP-600M or RP-600M II instead. Would I be better off to get the RP-600M for better Timbre match? If I have budget is it worth still going for the tower?
@@mikecajina2784 I ended up buying the Rp-8000f and am quite happy with that setup. Wish I could have heard it with Rp-600m to see if I’d be equally as happy, but want able to do that. Even with Rp-8000f, I set a crossover of 100hz on my amp. Might even bump it to 120hz
@@tstfam thanks for the reply. Are you running 3.2 or 5.2? Trying to also decide on either 8000 or 600 m2 and the best side surrounds for either pair. Thinking of doing 8000, 404c, and 502s.
@@mikecajina2784 I'm running 5.2.4. I'm running RP-8000f for L/R, RP-504C for center, RP-500m for surrounds. My Atmos ceiling speakers are my old r-15m. I think it sounds pretty awesome. I got a steal on the RP-8000f and RP-500m speakers since they are now the outgoing product, but they still sound really good IMO. I'm trying to figure out whether or not I can make 7.2.4 work with my room layout, so I have two more rp-500m sitting in a box waiting for me to get a receiver that supports 11 channel.
welp seems I found my new bookshelf speakers. thanks to you. since the both of you like them, I'm buying them. especially since I listen to mostly rock, metal. think Metallica will sound great even at lower volumes so I dont tick off the neighbors too much. I'm the type that hates to return things. always been on the fence about trying out anything from KLIPSCH, but now feel you two converted me. lol. I trust your input since we both like the Q acoustics concept 300. thanks guys
Thanks for wonderful review. Original model is on sale for $350, is it worth to buy newer one for $750? I am enjoying the Jazz and Classical music with Wharfedale Diamond 11.2 plus old Denon integrated amp. Is it worth to get RP-600M for upgrading sound? Thanks.
First, thank you so much for watching and supporting the channel. Do I think the 600s would outperform your 28s? I can't say for certain (I haven't heard them) but I will say this - knowing that your speaker was specifically designed to be sold exclusively at BestBuy tells me that there is a high probability that the construction and materials were likely chosen to maximize BB's profit. I think you are going to hear a potentially less forward and/or aggressive sound with probably similar bass extension from the new 600s. I can definitely say the speaker's physical appearance will be an improvement. I hope that helps.
Such a good review of this Klipsch loudspeaker. Funny thing is, this review renewed my interest in the Revel loudspeakers you reviewed only a few days ago.
Wow, fun Report Brother! Now I know what you meant a few days ago about waiting till Sunday when comparing to Revel M16. 😀 You really make excited about checking out this speaker for my theater needs. I've never owned a Klipsch speaker. Loved your comments about placement and tolerant to theater 2nd row elevated seating (really only 7"). Can't wait to see the new center channel (600C II ?). I didn't see anything about power capability. I'm considering feeding them with a Integra 3.4 (can't find the Onkyo TX-RZ50) but using a PowerAmp by Emotiva BasX A3 ... do you think they would match well? Cheers, Eric
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I'm considering feeding them with a Integra 3.4 (can't find the Onkyo TX-RZ50) but using your PowerAmp by Emotiva BasX A3 (or big brother, XPA-3, if funds appear) ... do you think they would make a best match? 🤔 Cheers, Eric
In my opinion, these do not need the XPA-3. I think you would be more than fine with the A3. I would recommend that you try them with the Integra first before spending even a little bit more money on the BasX - nothing against it - you may be happy enough without it.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Brother, that sounds like a plan. I love saving funds. Our retirement home theater (part-time party room) will be about 19x19, so over 3000 Ft³. So maybe a pair of Subs (I like your SVS 3000 Mini's, if on sale haha). Cheers, Eric
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Oops, I forgot to mention the initial need for the Power Amp was that the room will be a 7.2.4. So, since the Integra needed a PowerAmp, I thought the BasX A3 with power for Center Channel would sound better, give me the needed 2 channels, and save the Integra power for all the surrounds and 4 Atmos ceiling Speakers. 🤔 I guess... if I'm getting this right. Cheers, Eric
Having come to my present system by way of owning the Klipsch 600Ms v1 I thoroughly enjoyed this review. I'm not surprised that Klipsch tweaked the crossover a bit. I love the v1's though. It is pretty cool that we are living in times of this level of advancement at this price point.
We're in a new "golden age" of hifi IMHO. We just wrapped up an evaluation of a speaker that (for me) makes me wonder why anyone would spend more --unless of course you simply wanted or needed a different type of speaker, or maybe one with a different look. That review is coming, but yeah, I hear you, things have gotten really good.
Finally, a review of the 600m, albeit version 2. I have the original and have considered upgrading recently. I was thinking going more “upscale” for better sound. Instead, I may simply add a set of v2 along with a marantz 6015 and call it a day. Loved the review.
I’m in the market to upgrade my front speakers. I also have the klipsch 504c but I’m more concerned with music vs speaker matching for home theater. If I spend upwards of $2000 on bookshelf’s, would I really see that much of a gain over the v2? Or am I better off sticking with relatively matched speakers? I’ve watched all your videos. You guys are def the best, hands down.
How would you compare these with martin logan? I was between klipsch and Martin logan years ago and because of the clarity of sound and beautiful aesthetics, chose the Martin Logan. I'd be interested to know your thoughts.
I just got a pair of walnut RP-600M iis this morning and pair it with my X4700H. A world apart from my Polk satellites...about 8x Polks would fit in the Klipsch cabinet)! They were on sale for 40% off ($449/pair) so I couldn't resist. They sound good with jazz and I'm watching Star Wars now. Eventually I will replace my other speakers, maybe starting with the center channel. Should I replace my sub with a Klipsch or is it OK to mix brands??
If I were you I would do my research on what is a what are the best sounding subwoofers in the market today and go that route I had four klipsch subwoofers and got rid of all four of them when I heard the svs subwoofer they are in credible
It's too bad you never brought the 500M ii to try and A/B comparison. My experience is the 500M ii is a smoother more enjoyable speaker. The inside pieces are similar to 600M ii, so you don't lose the improvements.
Andrew! Such a good review, especially with commentary from off camera Christie. But thanks to you, I now feel guilty about maybe being an audiophile snob because Klipsch just doesn’t have audiophile cred. But wait, we have a couple of Klipsch R-820Fs in the great room where we watch movies. Got them because well, they are loud enough to fill the room, dang it! And they were on sale! Bless you Best Buy for selling me an endless supply of Denon multichannel AV amps and those rock-n-roll piss-off-the-neighbors Klipsches. They are good “don’t bother to crank it up, they’re already loud” speakers. Upstairs listening room is different.
Dear Andrew and Kristi, I absolutely appreciate that this channel looks at budget friendly products as well as more expensive ones. Those musicians like myself who scrape a living to produce albums on Spotify / Apple can not afford the higher priced items. So great sounding, less expensive equipment is always good to learn about on your channel. I had one thought. Since I’m on the topic of budget friendly gear, for those (and I think we all should be) concerned about carbon footprints at this stage and for those who have to balance buying more expensive equipment with the increasing cost of power bills (see the UK), I’d be interested in a video that looks at all in one solutions that use less power to enjoy great sound quality and music listening. Power consumption ratings could be included on all powered items and also looking at products that use recyclable plastic or wood for example would be of great interest…. I think we live in an age now where we have to consider these things. For example, streaming vs buying vinyl/CDs is an environmental issue and I’m sure most people would hate to think on this, because we all love our CDs myself included. But that’s what we should be considering I think. Some would say that’s not what this channel is about - but I think it could be at least in a minor way. Personally, I can not justify having several devices powered on at the same time to play one album when there must be more power efficient options that sound equally good and are more reasonably priced. Anyway, I’ll shut up now and get a bacon sandwich..minus the bacon because I’m a vegetarian…oh and minus the bread because I’m diabetic. I’m a great imaginary cook….
yeah, for those of us who want to stick with seperates, I presume "power hungry" speakers use more power. I also presume a less power hungry speaker uses less power, _even if the amplifier is capable of supplying more power_ (?) Me, I switch everything off via wall switch when I'm not using it -- that's a habit I learned growing up.
When doing a value comparison, you should really look at European pricing for some European brands. I know for a fact that brands like monitor audio, focal and triangle are way cheaper over here.
Thanks for the good review. My feeling is that what they've done with the crossovers in the Heritage line has been nothing but great, I don't think anyone said the IV's of the Heritage were not better than the III's. And the main complaint of the III's was the high end. Thanks again.
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Great video as always. I would love to see some in wall speaker reviews. Due to my limited space the planned single garage conversion is the only pace to create a more dedicated cinema area. This means in wall speakers are a must to reduce clutter. In wall speakers reviews seem to be hard to come by from thorough reviewers like yourself. It would also give you more Klipsch speakers to review that you have not reviewed yet. Monitor Audio CP series were also ones I was thinking of for the room.
@@homeofVash We may at some point put together a review of the in-ceiling speakers we have but doing reviews of in walls or anything that requires construction is simply not realistic.
I think it is great that Klipsch had refined their new speakers. It is a fine line when you try to make a speaker more linear AND maintain the "house" sound. Some die hards may not like it, but then why are there companies like Bob Crites and ALK Engineering selling upgrades for Klipsch speakers? Paul Klipsch's dream was a two way Klipschorn, but he was limited by the technology available and had to make it a three way speaker.
I fell in love with the La Scala as a teenager so there will always be a soft spot in my heart for Klipsch. I have moved on to vintage Altec speakers. It can be a slightly more expensive habit.
Hi Andrew, just wanted to say thank for all the wonderful work you and Kristi do. I really enjoy the different perspectives each of you brings to the subject matter. You are truly the voice of reason in the world of audio reviews!
@@ULlisting So very kind of you to say. We appreciate it!
The 600m (first gen) are just amazing. They make me smile and happy every single time I listen to them. It's good that Klipsch released a new version, but I don't see myself upgrading any time soon. Thanks for the detailed video!
No need if you like what you have already! Thanks for watching!
Love mine too.. I’m just a simple average audiophile guy I’m using it with a 200 dollar Sony amp/media combo with a klipsh 120 sub still so happy when I listen to it.. also what is that speaker stand you’re using ? I’m intrigued and wana upgrade my current stands
I agree @MmaybeLaterr, but my system is the complete Bowers & Wilkins 600 (series 1 with the yellow kevlar midranges). Why would we want to spend thousands more on incremental improvements? Something Andrew has mentioned on several occasions and why I will always contibue watch his and Kristi's videos 👍
I just bought the Klipsch RP-160m on sale, basically the model before the 600m. And same! Absolutely smiling whenever i listen to them. Paired them with the BlueSound Powernode (80w x2)
I like the v1 better. They are more revealing. V2 is even more forward. Not a good upgrade even if you don't have any and they are the same price, in my subjective opinion
Andrew, I just wanted to say that I **LOVE** that you have brought Kristi into the conversation. She provides an important perspective and ALSO your back and forth with her, brings out more color on your perspective as well. Well done! Both of you!
Bought the RP-600M a month ago. Enjoy them immensely, first new speaker purchase since my Athena AS-B1's 26 years ago(still really like those) but the Klipsch-RP600M can be heard clearly by my wife who wears hearing aids. As soon as she said that in the store, I was sold on the Klipsch. Great reviews, new subscriber but watching your content for over a year.
Hi Don, thank you so much for sharing and welcome! I'm so glad you found something that's working for you and your wife!
As a owner of the original 600M and 6000 F’s I have been so in love with the 600 M’s from day one and see’s daily use in my system. The only way they will be removed from my system is if Klispch makes a true Heritage bookshelf speaker. Removed but not gone…. Come on Andrew make it happen as well as the Heritage sub you so badly want. Great review. Happy Sunday. 👍🏾
Happy Sunday to you, sir!
Respect for the overall high quality of this review. You’re reaching new levels.
I appreciate that!
Hey Andrew. I’m not really responding to this particular video. I love all of your videos. I watch them on my television, but I need to get my phone to respond to you like now. I think I’m just like you. I’ve been buying stereo equipment since I was 12 years old.Keep it up dude. You’re killing it.
Great review as usual Andrew! I went from Polk to Klipsch (both towers) and was blown away. The soundstage and center imaging was incredible to the point where I kept checking my center channel to ensure it was off. LOL. For the money, I think the reference premier is best in class. If money was no object, Paradigm would be my choice but for now, still ballin’ on a budget.
Don’t know how you guys do it, but your reviews just keep getting better! Very much appreciate the amount of production quality you pack into a review.
I am a big Klipsch fan and have been toying with replacing our front channels on the home system. The 600 looks like a real contender
Thanks again for an awesome review
Thank you so much!!
I put my biases aside and bought the Heresy IVs off your review and it was the best thing I’ve done in the hobby. I’m a fan
So glad that review steered you to something you're enjoying!
I listened to these at a local audio shop. Compared them to Dynaudio emit10, Focal Chorals, etc. I bought them for around $450. I think at $450 I am pretty happy. I know there is better, but under $500 was a MUST for me. I have seen other reviewers totally trash them! $/performance is important to me. Nice review, it made me feel better about my purchase and my ears. Thanks again!
$500 would be great, as I keep seeing them for $750 in Nov 2022
@@somestuffithoughtyoumightl6985 They were on sale at various places including Crutchfield, probably still are.
@@whocares0503 You are talking about the RP 600Ms, not the V2, I'm sure.
@@georgerosenfeld Don't know too much pricing now but as if this reply, Mercari has then with shipping around $450. Klipsch always has sales too, it's about timing as we both know.
The original is a great budget speaker I like it best listening at night down low sometimes I enjoy it so much I get no sleep at all.
Don’t let complaints like crossover stop you from owning these for a few hundred if you want speakers that the crossover cost 300 for each speaker then spend the money for those but nothing can rip on these speakers at this price point I can enjoy these for a lifetime and let someone else pay the audiophile premium tax if you know what I mean.
Oh also PEQ. One thing folks might like to know is that if these are like the previous model, they have excellent directivity and therefore respond very well to Parametric eq - which means the speaker can be tweaked to taste without generating conflicting issues in the process. This ability is a rare and excellent trait. (Accurate/Consistent Directivity)
Please review the 6000F II or 8000F II if you haven't. Are they almost mid-fi or would you still consider them entry level?
Hi Andrew I have just bought my 1st Klipsch speakers the R51m they had only been used for about 20 hours, mine for only £160 I am so pleased with them I now understand why Klipsch speakers are so well reviewed.
Hopefully Klipsch will come out with a piano black version like the first 600M's ,,,, Forte IV's for the next upgrade for me
A few days ago I bought a pair of Klipsch rp-500m ii and I liked their sound; they are my first Klipsch and they exceeded my expectations. The characteristic of their sound that I liked the most is that I hear the voices up front, I like that prominence; on the other hand, the high frequencies were not aggressive to my ears. I paired them with a Rotel 1572mkii integrated and a velodyne subwoofer. Good video.
Maybe you should trial the RP-500M ii with the RP-600M ii with same technology. Some reviewers feel the 500 is a better balanced speaker, but I want your opinion.
Rp 500 m is just the right size for bookshelf, like it.
I just purchased and set up six pair of the new Klipsch 600V2..😊 why you might ask?? Well in a very large room that's forty-five feet long and 30ft wide.. I put a333 configuration on each of the four walls about 5 ft above the floor..+ 2 15 in 600 watt subwoofer set.. this sounds as good or better than a bunch of Tower floor standing speakers.. the power rating to the Klipsch 600m V2 is 200 w atts x 😊
Twelve of these.. I understand that that many may be able to afford that sort of setup but it is absolutely sonically awesome. Being 5 foot off the floor it's above all the furniture and there is no complexion with the sound because of the fact that they are away from all furnishings together. So if you can give it a try I think you'll like it😊
It sounds like the new 600M II has had some internal upgrades? I have to wonder, that other channel that talks about cheesy cross-overs, I wonder if the manufacturers are now listening?
I don't trust that reviewer personally their cross overs are cheap but that guy is talking about changing the sound of klipsch completely and also killing its sensitivity rating making it harder to drive that being said klipsch midrange has always lacked
@@Sc2God724 For the money Klipsch charges, they could use much better internal parts. Most manufacturers could, but like the automotive companies, it is not about quality, it is about the bottom line.
@@michaelwright1602 My local hifi shop has the KLH model 5, they had one apart to show internals, nice BUT they may pay $250 to build a pair but sell them for $2500...
The markup on hifi is very high
He's not Voldemort, you can say his name lol. Danny Richie is in it for the money as much as anyone else. Given that he sells crossover upgrades, it's in his personal interest to find fault with other manufacturers' designs.
His upgrade made my Klipsch rp-8000f sound way better. Found his video while googling cymbals sound muted around cymbals region on klipsch rp8000f.
With a sensitivity at 96 db on a bookshelf speaker and the sound these provide these are amazing and Klipsch continues to impress.
My Heresy IVs ROCK! My advice to Klipsch, take a lesson from Harley-Davidson! They attempted for the last decade to pursue the non-Harley rider and failed, nearly bankrupting the brand. A new CEO who realized they needed to pursue their core customer was hired and now they are selling motorcycles again at a profit. They are focused on pleasing their customer rather than converting others. Do what you do to the best of your ability.
As a Klipsch fan, I'm only happy to hear it. The ONLY thing I change with DSP on my R-51PM pair is to SLIGHTLY bump the midrange and treble a little bit, then they just.. come alive. You "lift the veil" and it truly sounds like the performers are in the room. Really curious about this whole new Reference Premiere series, hopefully you'll review more of them.
I bought the 600 m 5 days ago knowing absolutely nothing of reviews or opinions. I installed them to a 2 channel receiver that puts out 100 watts per channel. I listened to my new Denon turntable, cds and Blu-ray music, I listened to bluetooth music. I was just totally thrilled. For example I listened to “tempted” by Squeeze, and it was shaking my sternum and I heard little percussion things that I never remembered hearing before and I was in heaven. Then I got on you tube and these guys with graphs and sh!t told me that objectively the 600 m speakers are horrible and you are not hearing a huge chunk of the music from the source. They proved to me that my extreme level of joy and satisfaction is not really happening at all. Says so right there on paper that I am not enjoying it and I am not hearing what I am hearing. That soon I will develop listening fatigue. So even though I love love the sound, I know it’s not a good sound at all so I tore them out of the receiver and just chucked them out into the street. I can’t believe how full of crap some of these guys are with their graphs and their snotty little pot belly attitudes. I am so glad I didn’t watch the bad reviews before purchasing. I probably would have spent 3 times as much and hated myself for that. Graphs be darned I love the way they sound.
Your anger feels a little misplaced here. We like this speaker and say as much in the review, graphs and all. As I always say, the only person who has to like the sound of your system is you.
This is such a weird reply. It’s almost like you didn’t watch the review at all. Besides who cares what someone on the internet says.. ah well..
Outstanding review both the content and visuals!
I have the Cornwall IV’s and I agree with you that the midrange is recessed relative to the top and bottom. Maybe, as you suggest, that’s what people think of as the “Klipsch sound”, though to me, the thing that sonically differentiates Klipsch the most is their livelinesses at low volume. In this regard, they remind me of certain electrostatic speakers and are the opposite of typical planar magnetics and omnidirectional speakers; speakers that require lots of current and power to wake them up.
I like the old Klipsch sound better. This version is too refined for my taste and they boosted the mids in such a way you don’t get any of the smiley face EQ you had before. The best balance was the RF ii and RB ii from back in 2011 era. Still had titanium tweeters, but way more bold overall. I don’t care about speakers that are dead linear. As long as they’re not harsh. And those aren’t IMO. If all you listen to is maybe classical music, the new RP series works. If you’re rock, pop, jazz, house, go with older RF, RP, and RB ii. My opinion - there’s no ultimate answer here.
Thanks a lot for this review. After watching this I am using the RP-600M-II for half a year now with an A-S3200 and the small RP-1000SW. Perfect combination for my listening room I must say.
Maybe this statement will define me as not a true audiophile and that’s okay, but I love my Klipsch Fortes and my RB-61 ii’s so much. Playing records on my Rega Planar 6 through my NAD c388 and hearing them on Klipsch speakers makes me very happy!!
That is all that matters!
The Rega P6 is a really good analog source so I'm sure it sounds great through the Forte's.
I have the RB81 ii. Love them . Keepers. 8 inch woofers.
Thank you, Andrew! I got the Sevens. Because you say so, love it, and replace my the Fives! They are so great with TV ARC feed and you don't wanna use a sound bar. Now I found 600M to replace my old Cornwall II.
You guys are awesome thanks for all the advice and questions you answer in these videos. I’m no audio geek but however during my career I’ve done some very high end theaters and home audio distribution. Now it’s my turn and I have to pick and chose what’s going to be in in my home. Let me tell you I like showing up at the shop and just picking up the stuff and installing instead of designing my own system. You have made it easy to figure out how to design and choose what I want. Hope this make sense
I too wish I could just pick up the gear and be alright, it's maddening sometimes so I feel you! Thank you so much for watching and I'm glad we've been able to help.
I just ordered the original 600Ms. The new ones are probably a little bit better but the price difference is huge since the originals are being clearanced.
Thanks for the review. Really enjoy your production and presentation. I hope you do a review of the new Klipsch RP-8000f II as those are the ones I'm looking at for an upgrade from my current system.
Klipsch’s sound signature is what I’ve been setting my EQs at for years for everything.
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After all the hype, I got the original RP600m. The lack of refinement and midrange drop out stood out. Lack of around 2K detail and presence. Crude really. I sold mine.
The new v2 of the 600M has addressed many of those issues for what it's worth.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews It was an issue. When I got mine, a few of the over-the-top reviewers didn't seem to be listening closely enough. I have considered the MII.
I have the MkI 600M for a couple years now, really good speakers for the $300 I paid for at the time (“refurbished” but arrived like brand new). I won’t be rushing out to upgrade to the MkII for $500-$700, whatever sale price Klipsch has them up every month, anytime soon. If anything I would focus on upgrading the electronics first to get the most out of them.
Not bad reasoning and I'm glad to hear you love your original 600Ms.
I was going to buy some more RP-600Ms for my rears, but this makes it simple. Buy the Mk2s and put the Mk1s in the rear!
Great idea!
Having owned the RP150m, i can summarize what others say that is true. Good bass. Thin male vocals, rich female vocals. Strident, sharp stringed instruments, realistic horn instruments, and ok but not great highs. I find the highs smooth and elevated but not as sparkly or detailed as other speakers such as b&w. The klipsch is not a warm speaker, but very lively.
I'm considering a Klipsch speaker for the first time EVER, it's SO MUCH better.
In answer to Kristis question, i cant say how fans or detractors might react. But i have a 9.2 home theater setup w all klipsch speakers from different eras and lines of the brand. Spoiler alert. Im a fan. So i will say the change doesnt upset me. I would love to hear them, and bet they would be to my liking in any of my three audio setups. The minor loss in sensitivity is not a deal breaker if the quality is overall improved
I have the 600M II and Heresy 1 - and while I like the 600M II, for loud orchestral music (like Respighi Pines of Rome or Mahler, etc.) I like the tonal balance of the Heresy much better. Given they're quite different speakers in design and age overall I still have a strong preference for the Klipsch Heritage series. I sit within large orchestra brass sections playing the kind of music mentioned previously and I haven't heard any other speaker - including the supposedly "smooth and linear" speakers that another commenter prefers and who claims Klipsch is for party/home theater - that comes close to being able to reproduce what an actual brass section sounds like.
I have long wanted to hear the latest Cornwalls.
This Man Sure Is a Wise Man and Very Outspoken , and His Review Is a Plus...
Please review new klipsch rp8000 II
My 600M's are mounted on the top of my back wall for Rear height surrounds and do a fanatastic job of keeping up with RP-280F's and RP-280-FA's. I won't care if they go a bit more neutral as the sound is perfect for my ear and tastes liking everything from 16th century choral to very modern. Thanks!
You know my rule...the only person who has to like it is you! :)
Andrew and Kristi, I've yet to go wrong on one of your recommendations. I got the Heco Aurora 1000 based on your recommendation of the 700. Great sound but unfortunately after a few months the aesthetics of a white speaker got to me. I then read your oh so comprehensive review of the new Klipsch RP600M ii. It is everything you said it was. I was not expecting the huge, accurate sound that comes out of those small boxes. They put me in the recording venue. The aesthetics also could not be a better fit for my room. Keep up the excellent work. Your exchanges at the end of videos are brilliant. They are the role model for how to respectfully discuss differences of opinion. Were you aware you are teaching good communication skills?
RP600M is a love or hate product. I bought it and I’ve returned because it’s too much V-shaped, no mids at all. After I tested I saw a lot of measurements showing a large dip on 2kHz or so. I’ve decided to stick with my old RB51-II. Since I’m using it with a sub, it’s more than enough.
Later on I saw a 500M measurement and I saw impressed that is doesn’t have any of the issues we see on 600’s
Same here. Did an A/B test against some Omega and KEF speakers and the 600s have basically no mid range. Almost hollow. But great bass and treble. I just prefer mids be better than the rest if I need to choose
In a 2 way design, a smaller 5.25 inch speaker, or a 6.5 with a phase plug is going to work better. The reduction in cone area means the speaker will play higher before beaming and sound better off axis. That's why the smaller woofers sound better. Yes you sacrifice bass, but not much. Plus, that's what subwoofers are for anyways. 6.5 or larger woofer in a 2 way design is not a good idea. Might sound good perfectly on axis, but off axis, response will get worse. Lower the crossover point and the compression driver will suffer. Basically should be a 3 way design at this point. But larger woofers sell, so these so-so designs will continue.
@@tonyb3350 I totally agree. In my setup I use my Rb-51II in sealed mode close to my wall and it crosses with my sub at 80Hz without a problem. I’m almost sure that a 4” speaker would do the job either. I don’t understand why people keeps choosing larger woofers or even towers with multiple woofer (and a lot of alignment problems ) to use with sub. The bass from larger books are artificial. Usually they have a large 80-100 Hz bump to impress the audience but have no extension and, if you use with a Sub, you are going to crossover at 80 Hz anyway and you’re going to get a much more powerful and cleaner bass.
@@tonyb3350 I don't experience any issues you mentioned with my Focals which have a 7 inch driver and Monitor Audio Silver 8 inch woofers do an excellent job too. The issues with MA are that upper mids and highs can sound a bit compressed and shouty, too much all at once rather than showing subtle changes in music/soundtracks. Need more refinement in those areas.
But there is something special about a well designed and implemented 5.25 inch driver.
i wonder if Krisi disliked the V1's cause of the hardware used with them vs in this scenario? She made it seem like there's a huge difference...
Sounds good! (No pun intended...) I absolutely love Klipsch! My beloved Heresy 4's are still a blast and my favorite speakers, so far. I'm really familiar with the original 600m's, as I have a pair in my bedroom, I and am anxious to hear the difference with the new ones. Thanks for another great video, Andrew!
Ok, first time commenter…
600m ll with sub or 8000f ll.
Mostly for 2 channel listening but would enjoy the options of home theater listening.
Thanks in advance.
Love the channel!!!!
Hello, I also ask this question. Did you make a decision or still researching?
600m II with sub! The sub is essential for home theater since the LFE channel is separate in movies but even music will benefit from the lower bass extension from a sub.
@@drew6317 thank you!!!
@@gambino883 have not purchased anything yet…👍
I run the older Reference Premier RP250F (powered by 2 Rotel mono amps at 100wpc). The front of the room has basic sound treatment and the towers are placed on outriggers that are isolated with anti-vibration pads.
The overall 7.1 all Klipsch system is co trolled by an Onkyo TXNR828 (I rebuilt the buggy HDMI board my self), with Fluance RT85, Rolls Bellari preamp, Onkyo C7030 CD and Samsung Bluray.
These speakers sound fantastic, much better than their 700.00 purchase price. Highs and mids are tight with a wide definitive soundstage. The twin 5" mid-bass drivers lack deep bass so I have added a 12" Klipsch sub.
When set up properly, these speakers are in the entry "high-end" category. I sold high-end audio in the '80's and have owned some pretty respectable gear. Now in my mid 60's with a low budget and audiophile desires, I am very satisfied with my current rig.
I still think I’m going to end up with La Scalas as my endgame speaker some day. That or some Wilson’s, but probably some La Scalas married to a McIntosh, twin Decwares, Luxman or Accuphase. I’ve just got a feeling. But it’s nice to see the rest of the brand evolve.
Will you be reviewing the rp8000f 2's?
Klipsch needs to make a decent center channel and get away from the MTM config. Their off axis response is way too narrow at +/-10 degree. I have the 440c I sit about 15 degrees from center and it sounds fine until I bend my head in and I'm hearing nuances that disappear just be moving 5 or so degrees away. Klipsch should make a 3 way for the RP line with a W T/M W topology. Their bookshelves/towers, Atmos and bipoles are perfectly good otherwise with some EQ to taper down those hot tweeters a bit.
I recently just paired the original rp600m with the Vista spark and found the spark refines the klipsch quite well - slightly taming the highs and filling out the famously scooped mids
Trying to decide between the Polk r100 and the Klipsch rp500m II for my home theater 5.1.2 setup. In your opinion, where is my money better spent?
🎶Whooaaaahhhh, heaven let your light shine down…” 🎵 Thanks for the review, man! Makes me wanna test out just a straight solid RP 5.1 setup…
I've never been so anxious to hear what Kristi thinks....and what she said has sold me on these guys. If Kristi likes them, they must be good.
I have Klipsch RP400M's for my home cinema system, with Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-402S for surrounds, and a Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-500C for the center channel. And, of course, a nice big 10" Klipsch subwoofer to round out the system. They are fantastic, and the reason why I like them, is what Andrew said: the off-axis sound is impressive. Not everyone can sit in the "sweet spot" when watching TV's or movies, so having a nice WIDE sweet spot is a must, and the Klipsch really deliver in that regard.
Most importantly, the speed and power of their woofers is just incredible, even on the originals models. Best combo home theater/music speakers on planet earth, bar none.
The only brand I would go to as an upgrade to Klispch: Martin Logan.
Thank you so much for watching until the end!
I have no skin in the tribal game of brands, but I do own the rp600m and am still regularly impressed by them when they get their stand time.
Everything you described about the mkII seems to be a step in the right direction for what I would improve with the current set. Cabinet bracing especially, as the older will resonate a bit. And if they improved quality of crossover and binding posts which results in clarity improvements, again a big yes.
Like you two, I also wish that Klipsch went further with finish options. And I'm not talking the rarer piano black that they've done with older RP. Piano black is like owning a black car. Looks good new, but usually breaks your heart after a wash or in bright sun.
How about painted finishes? Matte white. Or even vinyl wrap in graffiti tag by some upcoming artist? We all know speaker choice is often lifestyle based as these things stick out in a room. If I were Klipsch I would really push the style options. How about texture coated? Be bold Klipsch! Your sound is. Make the look match
100% agree with your remarks re: finish options. Thank you so much for chiming in and watching!
Oh matte white graffiti would be so cool.
My only complaint too about my RP-600M is the finish too. I have the ebony (black) vinyl finish/ While I was fine with the finish originally...it's starting to look really dull and artificial over time. I don't think it's just about the choice in color options but a better quality finish as a whole that Klipsch needs to reconsider.
Hi Sir thanks for the review, i was wondering between polk r200s and klipsch rp600m IIs, which one has more bass quantity?
I have a pair of upgraded Chorus 2's. These 90 pound loudspeakers has a 101db sensitivity. I upgraded the 25 year old crossover, it was time. Added a titanium tweeter, braced the interior cabinate and dampened the hornes, ect. I even added a bit of extra weight to the 15" rear passive radiator. All together it cost me, including the upgrades about $1400.
I'll put these speakers up against almost anything. Realistically speaking of course. There are very expensive speakers out there that cost as much as a house.
I don’t even need new speakers and I am watching this. Good content
Thank you! We really appreciate you watching even if it is just for fun.
As I own myself the original 600m and I totally love them! I'm getting curious how much of a difference there is between the v1 and V2. But my og 600m's will never go.
I think it’s funny how people talk about sound lol. I’m sure they hear the subtle differences and that’s good for them. You can connect this new version, the older version of these speakers and I’m sure they would sound the exact same to me lol 🤷♂️
Hy Andrew. Once again thanks for a good job buddy. I've changed my speakers 2 times since i started to watch your reviews, hahaha! My pockets are getting empty now, not a complaint. Thanks to you i found what suits my listening room finally and i can't wait to see you reviewing whats so called "The Future Of HIFI" KEF LS60 Wireless...
Just curious. How did you find the Klipsch RP-600M when compared to the Wharfedale Evo 4.1? What one did you feel was most neutral, while still keeping detail and clariity?
I changed from wharfedale evo 4.3 to klipsch rp600m II.
Of course less Bass as wharfedale but much more precise and "dry". The highs are more louder and detailed. The stage is deeper and wider.
Im a big Fan from Now of klipsch. Im really surprised by these.
By they way a like tube amps anyway. And it fits perfect with my cayin mt12..
So you made mention of Alexis French and I have not been able to stop listening to him since. I don't remember which video it was, but THANK YOU for bringing this amazing artist into my repertoire!
Excellent review Andrew. May I ask what speaker stands those are? Really like them. They make those monitors and others you've reviewed look more upscale :)
Hi Timobi_1, Thanks for tuning in! You'll find that information in the description box just below the video's title.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thank you! Found it 😎
Totally excited to get these speakers. I already made up my mind to get the the 600 M, so now I can put my savings effort towards 600M II yay! Great review as always.
What would be a good amp to pair with the 600m?
I own a pair of 600m love them, I have two systems and I wish the 600's had a little more resolution for my upper system and a little more Center image are the new ones better in these two areas
Favorite audio review channel!
Thank you so much!
So kind of you to say. We appreciate you joining us, Temujin!
@@KristiWright of course!! You both always give fair and honest reviews and reach a broad range of people and price points.
@@TemujinScott80 😍
I think sacrificing a smidge of sensitivity for a flatter frequency response is a win win. On the RP 8000F ii, the reported sensitivity is the same as before (in room 98dB/2.83V at 1m) but if they fixed the frequency hole from the last generation, it then appeals to a much wider audience. There are plenty of ruler flat offerings out there and what makes Klipsch unique is their higher sensitivity and engaging, livelier dynamics. In terms of price point, there aren’t too many mass market higher sensitivity offerings (>90dB) speaker lines so Klipsch really is in a unique position here to appeal to both casual music fans and die hard ASR measurement purists. Can’t wait to get my hands on the 8000F ii!
If you want a ruler flat FR +\- 1.5 db but still retain high sensitivity check out the LCR6000 THX series or KL-650 (previous iteration). They may be too neutral for some but I prefer accuracy to what the recording engineer wanted. They sound just as good on music as they do on movies.
Thanks! So after two videos showcasing the SolidSteel stands I’m curious. Did you fill them? If so with what, and how full?
We have never filled them anything. Thank you so much for supporting the channel, Tim!! Andrew and I appreciate it very much.
Thank you, Tim! I don't believe they are fillable. If you are looking for a solid (pun intended) alternative that you can fill, give these a look: bit.ly/3lqYtny
@@andrewrobinsonreviews The company and the distributor (MoFi) both say they can be filled through the hole that the spikes screw into, and they both recommend it. And they just look SOOOO much cooler than standard ones like the Kanto.
@@timlmd They are more interesting design but they are nearly impossible to get in stock.
Many will scratch their heads at using stands nearly as expensive as the speakers. In Andrew's and Kristi's defense, the SolidSteel stands allow them to better assess bookshelf speakers.
I was thinking of buying RP-500M II for my new setup. Great to see these small upgrades that fixes some of the problems.
I sold klipch for 15 years and I am here to tell you their 3 way offerings are far superior to the mass market side of their line, Fortes may be the sweet spot
I would hope so at their price point =)
Towers for me. Once you own them, you never go back. Love my SVS Prime Pinnacles and Prime Towers
Verified…. Just exchanged my 3 week old Mark I pair for the updated Mark IIs. In my view, the Mark II upgrades are superior. (Better)! No regrets making the trade.
Andrew is correct- all of the performance and shortcomings of the M1 version have been address with the MII's. I lived with the MI for three weeks and powered them with three different amps- CD, turntable and Bluetooth inputs.
Were you using room correction on the mi? I'm using Yamaha ypao, and to my ears, it addresses the weaknesses at the crossover. Wondering if it's still worth swapping out for mii.
@@andrewmcmillan6159 Only room correction is floor rug.......
As the same as the first time I heard Klipsch 60 years ago “Damn I need a pair of those”
Have had a pair ever since
What would you match with the RP-504C?
I have the RP-504C and am looking to replace the R-28F left and right channels. I was going to go for the RP-8000F tower, but I have two SVS subs and because of your review I am now considering RP-600M or RP-600M II instead. Would I be better off to get the RP-600M for better Timbre match? If I have budget is it worth still going for the tower?
would also like to know
@@mikecajina2784 I ended up buying the Rp-8000f and am quite happy with that setup. Wish I could have heard it with Rp-600m to see if I’d be equally as happy, but want able to do that. Even with Rp-8000f, I set a crossover of 100hz on my amp. Might even bump it to 120hz
@@tstfam thanks for the reply. Are you running 3.2 or 5.2? Trying to also decide on either 8000 or 600 m2 and the best side surrounds for either pair. Thinking of doing 8000, 404c, and 502s.
@@mikecajina2784 I'm running 5.2.4. I'm running RP-8000f for L/R, RP-504C for center, RP-500m for surrounds. My Atmos ceiling speakers are my old r-15m. I think it sounds pretty awesome. I got a steal on the RP-8000f and RP-500m speakers since they are now the outgoing product, but they still sound really good IMO.
I'm trying to figure out whether or not I can make 7.2.4 work with my room layout, so I have two more rp-500m sitting in a box waiting for me to get a receiver that supports 11 channel.
welp seems I found my new bookshelf speakers. thanks to you. since the both of you like them, I'm buying them. especially since I listen to mostly rock, metal. think Metallica will sound great even at lower volumes so I dont tick off the neighbors too much. I'm the type that hates to return things. always been on the fence about trying out anything from KLIPSCH, but now feel you two converted me. lol. I trust your input since we both like the Q acoustics concept 300. thanks guys
Great review. Are you planning to review the new RP-8000F II as well?
Hope to!
Thanks for wonderful review. Original model is on sale for $350, is it worth to buy newer one for $750? I am enjoying the Jazz and Classical music with Wharfedale Diamond 11.2 plus old Denon integrated amp. Is it worth to get RP-600M for upgrading sound? Thanks.
Would the RP-600mii be better than my old klipsch KF-28? I’ve been thinking of upgrading. Love your reviews!!!
First, thank you so much for watching and supporting the channel. Do I think the 600s would outperform your 28s? I can't say for certain (I haven't heard them) but I will say this - knowing that your speaker was specifically designed to be sold exclusively at BestBuy tells me that there is a high probability that the construction and materials were likely chosen to maximize BB's profit. I think you are going to hear a potentially less forward and/or aggressive sound with probably similar bass extension from the new 600s. I can definitely say the speaker's physical appearance will be an improvement. I hope that helps.
Thank you!
There's nothing like the sound of a new speakers especially a good ones.
Such a good review of this Klipsch loudspeaker. Funny thing is, this review renewed my interest in the Revel loudspeakers you reviewed only a few days ago.
This is the only place in the world where "we need to talk" is a good thing.
hahaha
HAHAHAHA. Thank you for watching!
How is detail, resolution and separation of instruments on these new Klipsch compared to say the older models as well as the Revels?
Wow, fun Report Brother!
Now I know what you meant a few days ago about waiting till Sunday when comparing to Revel M16. 😀
You really make excited about checking out this speaker for my theater needs. I've never owned a Klipsch speaker.
Loved your comments about placement and tolerant to theater 2nd row elevated seating (really only 7").
Can't wait to see the new center channel (600C II ?).
I didn't see anything about power capability. I'm considering feeding them with a Integra 3.4 (can't find the Onkyo TX-RZ50) but using a PowerAmp by Emotiva BasX A3 ... do you think they would match well?
Cheers,
Eric
Thank you so much, Eric Kessler! Not sure if we'll get the new center or not but if we do, it will included in future reviews of the new RP line.
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I'm considering feeding them with a Integra 3.4 (can't find the Onkyo TX-RZ50) but using your PowerAmp by Emotiva BasX A3 (or big brother, XPA-3, if funds appear) ... do you think they would make a best match? 🤔
Cheers,
Eric
In my opinion, these do not need the XPA-3. I think you would be more than fine with the A3. I would recommend that you try them with the Integra first before spending even a little bit more money on the BasX - nothing against it - you may be happy enough without it.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Brother, that sounds like a plan. I love saving funds.
Our retirement home theater (part-time party room) will be about 19x19, so over 3000 Ft³. So maybe a pair of Subs (I like your SVS 3000 Mini's, if on sale haha).
Cheers,
Eric
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Oops, I forgot to mention the initial need for the Power Amp was that the room will be a 7.2.4. So, since the Integra needed a PowerAmp, I thought the BasX A3 with power for Center Channel would sound better, give me the needed 2 channels, and save the Integra power for all the surrounds and 4 Atmos ceiling Speakers. 🤔 I guess... if I'm getting this right.
Cheers,
Eric
Having come to my present system by way of owning the Klipsch 600Ms v1 I thoroughly enjoyed this review. I'm not surprised that Klipsch tweaked the crossover a bit. I love the v1's though. It is pretty cool that we are living in times of this level of advancement at this price point.
We're in a new "golden age" of hifi IMHO. We just wrapped up an evaluation of a speaker that (for me) makes me wonder why anyone would spend more --unless of course you simply wanted or needed a different type of speaker, or maybe one with a different look. That review is coming, but yeah, I hear you, things have gotten really good.
I totally love at 6:10 how you faded in the cover. Cool video effect.
Thank you, Stephen.
Finally, a review of the 600m, albeit version 2. I have the original and have considered upgrading recently. I was thinking going more “upscale” for better sound. Instead, I may simply add a set of v2 along with a marantz 6015 and call it a day. Loved the review.
Sorry we were late to the party, but I hope this was a useful 600M review nonetheless.
I’m in the market to upgrade my front speakers. I also have the klipsch 504c but I’m more concerned with music vs speaker matching for home theater. If I spend upwards of $2000 on bookshelf’s, would I really see that much of a gain over the v2? Or am I better off sticking with relatively matched speakers? I’ve watched all your videos. You guys are def the best, hands down.
Your home aesthetic is outstanding. Well done!
Thank you so much!
where did u get the wooden slates on the wall.. there nice did u buy or make?..
@@louisvario1087 there is a video on channel about them :)
@@louisvario1087 Check out the Home Renovation playlist on the main channel page. You'll find those videos there.
How would you compare these with martin logan? I was between klipsch and Martin logan years ago and because of the clarity of sound and beautiful aesthetics, chose the Martin Logan. I'd be interested to know your thoughts.
I just got a pair of walnut RP-600M iis this morning and pair it with my X4700H. A world apart from my Polk satellites...about 8x Polks would fit in the Klipsch cabinet)! They were on sale for 40% off ($449/pair) so I couldn't resist. They sound good with jazz and I'm watching Star Wars now. Eventually I will replace my other speakers, maybe starting with the center channel. Should I replace my sub with a Klipsch or is it OK to mix brands??
If I were you I would do my research on what is a what are the best sounding subwoofers in the market today and go that route
I had four klipsch subwoofers and got rid of all four of them when I heard the svs subwoofer they are in credible
@@alambe7275 SVS for subs 100 percent! I'm a DJ and trust me, they are the best subs on the market!
Great review guys. What center channel would you recommend with these new bookshelf speakers?
It's too bad you never brought the 500M ii to try and A/B comparison. My experience is the 500M ii is a smoother more enjoyable speaker. The inside pieces are similar to 600M ii, so you don't lose the improvements.
Hi, are you suggesting then to take the 500M because too similar to 600 M ii? Did you make the A/B comparison?
Andrew! Such a good review, especially with commentary from off camera Christie. But thanks to you, I now feel guilty about maybe being an audiophile snob because Klipsch just doesn’t have audiophile cred. But wait, we have a couple of Klipsch R-820Fs in the great room where we watch movies. Got them because well, they are loud enough to fill the room, dang it! And they were on sale! Bless you Best Buy for selling me an endless supply of Denon multichannel AV amps and those rock-n-roll piss-off-the-neighbors Klipsches. They are good “don’t bother to crank it up, they’re already loud” speakers.
Upstairs listening room is different.
Dear Andrew and Kristi, I absolutely appreciate that this channel looks at budget friendly products as well as more expensive ones. Those musicians like myself who scrape a living to produce albums on Spotify / Apple can not afford the higher priced items. So great sounding, less expensive equipment is always good to learn about on your channel. I had one thought. Since I’m on the topic of budget friendly gear, for those (and I think we all should be) concerned about carbon footprints at this stage and for those who have to balance buying more expensive equipment with the increasing cost of power bills (see the UK), I’d be interested in a video that looks at all in one solutions that use less power to enjoy great sound quality and music listening. Power consumption ratings could be included on all powered items and also looking at products that use recyclable plastic or wood for example would be of great interest…. I think we live in an age now where we have to consider these things. For example, streaming vs buying vinyl/CDs is an environmental issue and I’m sure most people would hate to think on this, because we all love our CDs myself included. But that’s what we should be considering I think. Some would say that’s not what this channel is about - but I think it could be at least in a minor way. Personally, I can not justify having several devices powered on at the same time to play one album when there must be more power efficient options that sound equally good and are more reasonably priced. Anyway, I’ll shut up now and get a bacon sandwich..minus the bacon because I’m a vegetarian…oh and minus the bread because I’m diabetic. I’m a great imaginary cook….
yeah, for those of us who want to stick with seperates, I presume "power hungry" speakers use more power. I also presume a less power hungry speaker uses less power, _even if the amplifier is capable of supplying more power_ (?)
Me, I switch everything off via wall switch when I'm not using it -- that's a habit I learned growing up.
this is a damn good looking speaker!
What I appreciate about Klipsch is that rather than just going mod they still offer the Heritage Line.
When doing a value comparison, you should really look at European pricing for some European brands. I know for a fact that brands like monitor audio, focal and triangle are way cheaper over here.
Please understand that we are located in the US and typically only have access to American distributors and pricing.
Thanks for the good review. My feeling is that what they've done with the crossovers in the Heritage line has been nothing but great, I don't think anyone said the IV's of the Heritage were not better than the III's. And the main complaint of the III's was the high end. Thanks again.