It sucks knowing she was using so many other creators for brownie points :( honestly I feel like her more recent posts about thumin were really showing her weird hero complex but she was being so disgustingly nice it was hard to put a finger on what was wrong
A lot of people that make it big on TH-cam are like that. Not that it doesn't exist outside of the internet, but the possibility of fame draws the attention and interest of a lot not great people
How to ruin a TH-camr's Career if you Don't Like Them. (according to Shannon): -Spoof their IP from multiple devices -Post good things about them on an anonymous forum -Use slurs that go against what that person stands for on an anonymous forum -Do nothing on TH-cam -Do nothing on Twitter -Refer to the TH-camr you're impersonating in the third person -Literally do nothing to impersonate the TH-camr lol
This is so awful because Shannon betrayed the trust of so many people, including myself. I'm frankly disgusted by her and I hate that I had to watch the entire thing play out from the position of a spectator. Also her claims that this mysterious "Amy" girl was trying to sabotage her is so bullshit that it's sad.
For me I don’t really give a damn about this drama. It’s just really interesting to me as I used to watch her months back so this overall didn’t affect me as much as everyone else was. Tho I was a bit taken aback at the Emily artful drama. I believe that if Emily was able to come out of a dark place when she also used to be a terrible person Shannon can to as long as she tries to get help and ya know, actually wants to become a better fucking person
Before this video i accidentally clicked on a shannon reupload, i thought it was a joke video and when i heard her voice it hurted, i noticed i actually saw her as someone good and someone i was sure of just because i watched her content It sucks
I feel terrible for Thumin, who was manipulated during her time of need. Only for people to demand accountability _from Thumin_ for Shannon's actions. I didn't realize Thumin was Shannon's mother but now I guess I know better /s
People seriously need to leave Thumin alone. She's already going through enough and she isn't responsible for what Shannon chooses to do in her free time.
@@callimara Agreed. Thumin had some vile A-Hole pounce on her when she was commenting on another post about this. I was so angry I went and told said A-Hole to back off under his bridge. It was vile.
i feel like an absolute idiot for supporting her and not seeing the red flags, my heart goes out to Emily and everyone else who was affected by the situation. also the art looks great !!
Just don't feel guilty, feel PISSED. I was never a fan of Shannon, her story time videos just give me manipulative vibes. The way she talks triggers me, she cuss a lot, and always get mad, just like those pick me girls in high school. I was never a fan of her, her videos give me manipulative vibes becuase she always sound so mad in her videos
I feel so bad for trusting her. I feel stupid for being so easily manipulated and ignoring the signs. I’m glad this is all coming out, it’s finally time everyone knows the truth
Aw, i feel u so much on this. I just made a vid ab her lovebombing her friends and fans (not trying to blatant self-promo, just that i also felt that way and talked about it). Shannon was so manipulative - and i think people like her rely on good-natured people who would never think to lie like that. And that’s why it can be so hard to detect. I’m glad its all coming out now too. Have a lovely day ☺️
Same here. I followed her because of the Pro-LGBTQ+ stance (as I have family, friends, and acquaintances in that community) and her body positivity stuff (I'm a big girl). She posted her little thing on her community page and start with I believed her. I offered my support to her. To find out later (via posts on her own page) that she was posting homophobic, transphobic, fatphobic and ableist slurs shocked me. Other YTers were making videos, so I started seeing their views as well. I then went back to the comment on the community post and re-read it. It was then that I also began to think that the IP thing was fishy. Doing my own little checks made me see that it would have been almost impossible for a hacker to do that and especially over a few years! Then I read the screenshots taken of the compilation of posts from LOLcow. It was just disgusting seeing that, and EmilyArtful's video coming out was what finally convinced me that I had been royally fooled, as had many of her fans and the people that were gossiped about. She had been my first Art Commentary Channel I followed, and it was through her I followed Giulia/RTG, D'Angelo, Omnia, Nawnii and many others. I seriously wish I'd found them another way.
it sucks seeing the people that consisted Shannon a friend seeing what they are going through once they found out about the lowcow and Emilyartful situation and feeling betrayed that someone who was so nice like when you said ready to glare she got flowers at her doorstep from Shannon just a few days prior and seeing a lot of her fans that most likely worked on art while listening to her videos feeling betrayed as well. this whole drama is a mess and a think we all agree that Shannon’s career is over
unfortunately, her career wont end. cancelling does nothing in most cases. She will still have subscribers, she will still be monetized. the only way she wont have a career is if somebody involved irl takes legal action. I really hope emily artful does.
Remember, it's not a shame to belive someone is better than actually they are. Situation with Shannon is more serious than just "we catch her on gossip forum" and "she is bad person". Shannon probably stalked and harrased Emily for 8 years and that's a crime accusation.
I think the worst part of everything coming out is just how *many* creators were friends with Shannon, and have expressed how confused and hurt they are by everything. A creator being revealed as awful is one thing, that happens constantly, but seeing the effects on all the people who trusted her- her colleagues, her peers- it just leaves this pit in my stomach. Some people are saying they got a gut feeling about her, but I don't know if *anyone* could have really predict the extent of it. I hope you're doing okay Calli, and take some time to process
I became a fan of hers way back in the day, when she was just starting out. I followed her, interacted with her videos and sometimes commented, and one day I just felt like drawing fanart for her. She shared my drawing, she gushed over it, and gave me so much support, I just felt so happy. When Peaches made her a fursona, I also drew fanart of that, and both Peaches and Shannon recieved it with so much love. I was such a huge fan of hers, she even followed me for a while back in the beginning! Now I just feel so bad for supporting such a person. I know I couldn't have known before, but I should've known better than putting her in such a high pedestal
i had sort of stopped watching shannon's videos sometime in mid 2020 because her behaviour started to remind me of a former friend who was just... not very healthy for me. it made me uncomfortable, but i didn't think shannon was a terrible person at the end of the day. which is why this drama hit me so hard. and it just keeps going deeper and deeper, more stuff keeps coming out about it... it's so upsetting that i'd once liked her videos and supported her, even if it was a while ago
I was so weirded out when I saw this. I liked her at first until the Hopeless Peaches drama. I had a feeling she was a bad friend but this is just insane. Take care Calli! I hope she can get the help she needs to change and that everyone she hurt can heal from this
I found you through Shannon’s video, but I’ve grown to really love your content on its own. I’m glad something good, such as finding a great creator like you, came out of the creep show art channel. Good luck with everything you have going on 💖
I never watched her tbh, she always had a reputation of never getting to the point (for like 7 minutes she'd ramble on about someone) but damn i never knew she was like this Also cali, i hope you get better
I can gladly say that I didn't find you through Shannon, but it was still painful still seeing all of this go down. Painful to see the anguish and pain of Emily, painful to see the way she backtalked her friends and doxxed her family, and painful the way she deflected and lied to her community. Shannon has hurt so many people. It's horrible. I've been wanting to make a video on it myself on my own channel but I feel like I'm not able to add anything else to the table.
please do not say there is no reason for people to like you, you sound like amazing person, I am sorry Shannon hurt you in this way, but I am sure there will be plenty people in your life that will love you as you are. take care
I knew there was something odd about her, she was just too nice for no reason, without any benefit and now when we know why she was this way, it hurts.
As truly awful and sad as this entire situation is, it is very revealing as to the manipulative psyco-social nature of social media. Shannon learned how to mimic social media alorithms. Making all of her interactions with others ones which made the other party(ies) feel good through recognition, praise and all manner of love bombing, encouraging them to repeat the interaction(s). However, she would simultaneously use the guise of annonymity to say malicious things about any and everyone around her, which would likely prompt them, as well as others, to respond or engage in defense or as a reaction. Using this cycling of positive and negative emotions as a means to draw attention to herself, foster conversation about her, and ultimately maintain as much engagement as possible.
I haven’t watched Creepshow Art before but I can probably say what’s on everyone else’s mind: Why are all of the creators I was a fan of turn out to be complete shit?
I'm so sorry for you, what Shannon did was awful not just those directly involved but her former fans as well. I myself cried about it a lot and wished it was all just a screwed up dream. I hope you feel better ❤
Im so sorry :( what Shannon did is unacceptable, and its a reflection of HER, not you or anyone else she manipulated. You are a good natured person - and you wouldn’t conceive doing what Shannon did. That’s what people like her rely on - the good nature of others - and its something they don’t have themselves. That’s why they lie like that. It’s so messed up, but now we know and we can learn from this. In the meantime, your feelings are valid and its ok to take time to process this. Sending good vibes your way 💖
@@bandbecause Thanks! I have been time to myself.....It’s just I feel like I am contributing to pretending not to know.....I wish I could help all the people she’s hurt...I just feel it’s partly my fault..But thank you!:)
@@SADIE_Maybe_SADISTIC Aww I feel you on that too! The undue guilt- you have done nothing wrong or to feel guilty about. And that’s not to invalidate your feelings! I understand that so well. I think this will take time for a lot of us to process. And as much as anyone feels they could’ve done- people often won’t receive a message they’re not ready for, or that they don’t witness first hand and piece together for themselves. Sorry for rambling, and i hope that makes sense. Ive def been going through a lot of these thoughts and emotions myself lately 💕🙏 have a lovely day! :)
Oh no now she's hurt my favorite bean! 😭 You can't hurt Calli! This whole thing really upset me but knowing now that my favorite creator is also super hurt by this is the cherry on top of the awful awful cake. 💔
Yea... I persionaly seem to have developed a (sort of) bad/odd gut feeling towards people who I hear/watch/see and so far it hasn't really been wrong So honestly I wouldn't say I saw this situation coming since I honestly didn't but I did see that she wasn't a good person coming but ye screw shannon
i feel like a lot of people had a sneaking suspicion about shannon but that being said, it doesnt really brace you for everything coming to light. i feel bad for her friends and her fans, the whole situation is very unfortunate
One good thing that came out of all of this is that so many people from different communities are coming out to support each other which I find rather heart warming. It's a shame that any of this even had to happen though.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people like Shanon, but it doesn't mean that there are no good people. We should be kind with each other and no matter what, we need to save a humanity. Keep drawing Calimary, I'm believing in you 💕
I was a fan of hers for so long I even tried to believe her last community post... Though I was not a friend of her, I have one thing from Shannon that will be hard to fix You see, I am not an English speaker I reached the point where I think in English, but I am still heavily dependent on listening it from others and taking in different ways of forming the sentences or understanding certain slang I was listening to Shannon daily, even repeating some of her videos again and again I have a sertain ways of speaking taken from her embroidered in my head, I now struggle with getting away from her because of that My native language started to leak in my thoughts when it is English time for specific reason of me being scared to further replicate Shannons speach lol Good that I have Calimara and others who I can listen to
I like- really feel bad for ever supporting her. I don’t know if anything she has ever said is true, I don’t know what I should feel about any celebrity that she has talked about. I now have trust issues, and I don’t even know if I can trust anyone who’s talking about Shannon. Anyone can do this. Even my friends. This hasn’t just had an impact on people with contact with her, but also fans. Even the way I speak can be tracked down to Shannon. Because of her I do say “my dude” it’s so fricking disgusting. I binge watched ALL her vids multiple times. You could say I was a Stan. But know, I don’t think I’m the only one that has this feeling, and I want u to know that if you feel like this u aren’t alone.
This type of stuff makes me afraid to trust people, to open up my heart to anyone. I hear about Shannon backstabbing anyone who was unfortunate enough to know her and it makes me upset, angry, and anxious. If I feel that way, I can only imagine what pain and hurt the people who were friends with her have from this.
Ouch is hurts and to think that I actually was a fan of her 💔 anyway hope you're feeling a bit better now your art is absolutely beautiful you're a really big inspiration for me and I love you so much 💕💕💕
when I was stressed out or needed someone to watch while I did homework, I watched Creepshow art... I loved her channel and all her videos, I liked to hear about her opinions on subjects and I was in disbelief when I heard this news, like my heart literally dropped, I felt betrayed by someone who I don't even know personally.
I was also an Ex fan of creep show art I liked her for awhile but then she got into a ton of drama, each video wasn’t an apology but a diversion to stop her from getting blamed.
Her content was mind numbingly addictive and watching speed draws were mesmerising. I watched a lot of her videos when I needed a distraction from life. I feel bad for supporting her but at the same time, none of us could've known she'd be like this. Hopefully she and Anthony have a wake-up call that this behaviour is not on and that they get help..... hopefully
I was a fan too. I thought she was just a dork at first with a big mouth and a lot to say and it was entertaining. But seeing more and more and adding up so much in my head, I saw some truths and understood that this wasn't a good human being. I feel sick that I liked a person like this...NEVER AGAIN! I will do more research on people before subbing to em and giving em any time of my precious life. I hope you can recover, I wish you all the best and much love!
Honestly and don't take it the wrong way I thought you wouldn't comment on it because she kind of boosted you. I'm so glad I was wrong and you are making this, love your art hope you have better days to see it must be really hard and I'm sorry you have to go through it. You are amazing. I hope you have better days 🐢✨
I feel the complete opposite about her, she always seemed so fake to me. Sorry you were so let down though, that’s sad but you keep going! You are very talented
I was a huge fan of CSA. I watched her videos, and I too thought she was just a regular person, talking about popular topics and stuff like that. She inspired me to start drawing more. I did catch some bad vibes sometimes, but I thought nothing of it. After all of this lolcow stuff came out, and after Emily shared her story, I feel so bad for ever supporting Shannon. As far as I know, she still didn’t respond to Emily’s story, and that is just going to dig her hole deeper. It is gonna be impossible to debunk these claims, and it’s gonna be really fun to see Shannon try.
honestly, i only watched her because it was funny to see an adult be such a goddamn kid but I am hella disappointed that she turned out to be such a brick. I've been consuming so much information and it's like... why did she have to lie?? she could have left that out and when this specific drama would have occurred she would have still had a chance to have a bigger following and be able to get away with it... idk if I make any sense lol I am just really fed up
I’m a former fan of creepshow, I used to be a channel member too. I feel really similar, like this was a harsh reality check that some people just aren’t what they seem and it’s really confusing and disheartening.
thank you for the beautiful words at the end of the video. i personally really needed that. i am very upset with creepshow and this has been a lot on me because i thought highly of her too, and it adds weight to a lot of the stuff im dealing with. but i don't completely hate shannon because ive had a similar dark history and im working on improving myself and getting better. i wasn't as bad as she was but it still makes me feel incredibly guilty, and this creepshow situation has been a giant wakeup call to me. it also sort of stabbed me a bit, and ive been reflecting a lot on things that had been going on the last few years, especially with losing wonderful friends because of things, old behaviors, and not improving myself.. and yeah. i do agree that she isn't completely irredeemable and that she could completely change for the better. but she also has hurt so many people and severely stalked Emily along with anthony (who was very abusive to Emily and bad to shannon (even though she refuses to acknowledge it)) and hurt her. she has backstabbed people and talk shit about them, and she just overall has been very two-faced and has done things that are very manipulative and left so many people hurt. she doxxed and threatened to dox people, and she even doxxed her own sister who was having a really hard time in that moment. and she did a whole lot of things and it really makes a whole lot of us upset and idk.. i feel so sorry for everyone she hurt but i do hope shannon will stop altogether, change, come clean, and leave certain people alone for the rest of her life. all this really sucks.. im hoping she gets what she deserves. and im hoping everyone will heal, really... this just has been so bumming.. idk what to think anymore. i regret supporting her at all and i just want everyone to be okay.. what she had been doing is awful and disgusting and i just want her to stop and for everyone she's affected to be okay
I also used to be a big fan of her. She posted a video last year or so and she was SO aggressively angry for what seemed like no reason. And after that I unsubbed because it wasn’t a healthy anger it was dark. And if she could get that angry over something silly how angry could she get over something serious? I tuned back in after I saw Emily artful’s video. And it’s bone chilling and shocking. But at the same time everything everyone is revealing makes so much sense. It’s bizarre.
I used to be a fan of Shannon too. I used to eat her content up, but then, he content no longers appeals to me anymore. And I am glad I managed to get off her channel before everything dropped.
also a former fan of Creepshow! I really liked the topics (and her art) she covered so I decided to subscribe. I forgot about it until the hopeless peaches drama, then I decided to unsubscribe. That was it, and once the whole lying thing came up and all this drama I was glad about my choice of unsubscribing before, instead of now. Even though her videos covered topics that I was interested in learning about, they always had a very rude, mean, nasty tone to them. She always talked very sharply/rudely, and it just gave me bad vibes to be honest.
I've seen a lot of channels saying stuff and I honestly trust you more than a lot of other channels, since lots of drama channels do blow things out of proportion. But you never do that, so I will genuinely listen to you on this and see my own perspective on this and if this goes really bad, then I'll change my perspective on her.
Thank you Cali- I looked up to Shannon as well and I wish I had really thought about how Shannon didn’t take any accountability to the HP drama…Shannon was my favorite TH-camr for years and this all is a huge stab to the gut to her fans and friends. Make sure you are taking care if yourself rn and Have a good rest of the day/night 💖💖💖💖💖💖
oh wow i'm early and the videos on creepshow art....when I first heard about this I was shocked because she seemed so nice and so straight forward that made me like her so when the Accusations came out I originally didn't believe this until so much more came out and her account and community tab "was hacked"
When you said she inspired you to make your youtube channel..i felt that because she inspired me to make commentary videos with my art playing in the background. I wanted to be like her but in my own way. Now seeing who she is...im glad I didnt make any videos while she was continuing her career and say publicly i was inspired by her. Sadly i dont think she saw any of her friends as friends because she publicly lied saying she had no one and no one believed her in the friend group when there is evidence of her friends reaching towards her wanted to help. Even Tati gave her a blueprint on how to work this out because she had a tiny benefit of the doubt but Shannon just ran and left her friends hurt
What's sad about this is you can't even give her the benefit of "well, let's just see what she has to say" because this shit is so fucked up, I could never accept an apology. I think most of the community is the same. It's just really sad
I honestly don't know what to do with this situation. I was a big fan of Shannon, I also thought she was really genuine and I really liked that about her. It feels like I've been slapped in the face and I wasn't even involved. I can lie and say I'm not hoping she comes back with evidence that all her claims are true, but to be honest I just can't support her anymore. It feels like every creator I've found through her has been tainted now. Like I can't think of them without thinking of her. I'm honestly really glad I found you on my own and not through Shannon.
It's always so disappointing to see the people you look up to turn out to be the thing they praised not being. CSA always gave me the vibe of coming off harsh, but I knew a lot of people like that. It's something I personally don't like, but I know that's how some people just are. That's what I thought about her. It's (personally) still hard to believe she did all this. I guess I should have seen the signs, considering how she always came off to me, but I digress. Anywhoozles, amazing video Callimara! :)
I actually found your channel through Creepshow Art, I've honestly found a lot of the people that I watch via her. Like you, I can't really wrap my head around this either. So sorry to hear how this affected you as well as CSA's other victims like Ready to Glare and Emily Artful. None of you deserve what she said or did. I'm very sad to have lost one of my favourite people to watch, but at least I found some decent people like you and Thumin to support in her place. Please take care of yourself. Sending love and support from South Africa
[👥] 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐰𝐨 𝐟𝐚𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐥𝐢𝐚𝐫 [👥] My own opinion about creepshow "𝗱𝗿𝗮𝗺𝗮", which now it's more of a crime than drama, i used to watch her and i thought she was genunine and passionate about what she talked about, enjoyed her videos, it made me aware of issues that i didn't realize or thought that existed, but the more i watched her, the more i realize, she was getting agressive and sounding egotistical to me and stopped watching her when the asussations were posted.
Geez I love your video honestly. The ending really helped me kinda collect my thoughts. Maybe I never liked Creepshow, but earlier this week my favourite game developer got cancelled for doing something I strongly disagree with, but I was really broken after that, since... you know... I really thought he was okay among all the other terrible people. But you're right... I don't have to support him no matter what if it contradicts my morals.
"people have done much worse things" ...than stalking someone for like a decade?? i mean i agree with the rest of this video but the amount of testimonial evidence with even two separate people corroborating shannons obsessive stalking... i dont think i can trust anyone who stalks someone for even a few months because i may have only been cyberstalked for a short while before this person learned how persistent a blocker i am on social media (but this is after being "friends" for a few years where they started conversations with me then had to tell me everyone hates me. (and then they also send my brother this essay about how awful a person i am just like a week after telling me "ah i miss talking to you and stuff" ...kinda like what shannon also did behind others...)) but like. i dont have space in my heart to forgive stalkers... as much as i agree with the rest of the video and feel bad for people who were fans that feel hurt by this stuff. im just gonna have to go ahead and disagree there mostly because ive known those types of people and they dont WANT to get better as people they want to get better at acting like one.....
Omg I’m having deja vu again. First, it was yandev, then James Charles, and now Creepshow... Like, I know people aren’t perfect but you start to question your judgement after awhile, ya know? It’s hard to trust anyone nowadays it seems.
It's hard to imagine things switching up so quickly like this, especially since a lot of us saw the signs and didn't know what to make of them at the time, and even those signs couldn't prepare us for the full extent of the truth. It's insane. I as much as others also feel sorry for the people she was friends with or horribly harassed. No one deserved to get treated like this behind closed doors like that... It's only worsened or given trust issues to people that confided in her in dark moments too...
I wouldn't really call this a drama. This is now a situation going on just like everything serious happening from 2014 to now are situations/incidents. The reason being is there are too many things happening than just "he said she said." What Shannon has been allegedly doing is stalking and doxxing a person to nearly ruining their life along with other things. I've always had a neutral view of Shannon since I really only subbed to her because of D'Angelo Wallace. Never watched her videos tough since I was in college at the time, so her videos were just background noise as I did my art in the art studio. Anyway, she really wasn't my cup of tea, and I thought I unsubbed from her until the whole Hopeless Peaches drama, which I still think was overblown for no reason. That was the nail in the coffin moment I had with Shannon; especially since she didn't own up to what she did. This situation, however, is an anchor dragging the coffin down into the bottom of the ocean. I really can't imagine how she can recover from this at all. If Emily is taking this to court, Shannon better start praying to whatever deity in myths to not be put in a slammer along with her partner. This is too much at this point.
literally, also saying “people have done mucg worse" isn't really the best way to approach this situation imo. Shannon can change but it will never take away from whaz she did to Emily (if the allegations turn out to be true). Like you said, that isn't just some petty highschool girl fight kinda deal, it's ruining someone's life for several years
@@sheneedssomemilk7716 Shannon definitely had moments where she could have changed, and changed in a genuine way. If she just decides to change because she is now being called out (ie probably throwing someone under the bus), I wouldn't take it as an outsider. Honestly, it's really not up to me to take her change. It's up to Emily in the end since she's been hurt the most. The focus should be on her because the outsiders and audience have to let the true victim in all of this have the final verdict.
Trust me you didn't need her validation or others. Just keep being awesome and love will come from within. And I know this might contradict what I just said but really your doing great just continue to be a good, kind person, and don't let negative people or negativity into your life!
I'd recommend people to watch another summary of the situation than Spoctor's. He is very dismissive about Emily's recount of being r*ped and continuously remarks that Emily was likely as bad as her ex while they were together. Saying he doesn't believe or trust her recount of the incident because she didn't provide proof was so gross to me, she was addicted at the time so getting involved with the police would've probably not resulted in any punishment for him (r*pe is often not taken seriously enough by police to even get to trail) while she could've faced drug charges. His video felt a lot like victim blaming, as if he was saying Emily was bad too so if Shannon hadn't been posting about others on lolcow he wouldn't have cared enough about the stalking and harassment to even make a video.
If you see this, try to give your the leeway you old give others. Your genuineness isn’t something to be ashamed of. It was taken advantage of. If you know yourself to be an individual who wouldn’t do that to others, at least be kind to yourself after being hurt by this situation. Her poor actions don’t reflect onto you. 😅Keep your head up.
oh dear god. Yandev and Creepshow are the same breed- I'm really stupid for supporting her. Really sorry you had to go through this dude! By the way- your art is wonderful :)
I'm a little late here, but I remember never really watching Creepshow until the drama with Peaches, who I was a fan of and still am. I watched only one of her videos, and something about the way she spoke rubbed me the wrong way. She just sounded so fake, and like she tried to honey coat her words. I'm really not surprised, but it's still sad to see so much of this in the community as of late
i feel like so many people are saying that they were "expecting" this and they always knew something bad would happen, but as someone who was formerly a creepshow fan... i dunno? i left at the end of the peaches drama because her content just wasn't as good anymore and i couldn't support her knowing what happened, but this was just.. a lot. ive been a fan of both hopeless peaches and emily since before like... the tobi stuff,, and i think just to see the carnage of what the actions of just one person did to the art community is really disheartening. csa was a pillar of the community, even if you weren't a fan, you knew she was big.. and it hurts to see how she can just destroy everything
Shannon most certainly didn't do herself any favours by ghosting everyone who cares about her and running away instead of facing up to what she'd done. This is way too big a scandal for her to hide away from and hope eventually, it will just go away. It won't.
👍✌️🙏❤️ I unsubscribed from CSA almost a year ago, I knew she was toxic and was waiting for something to happen. I couldn’t very well do anything on a gut feeling and not liking her. Now I’m glad she’s been exposed because this goes beyond TH-cam drama. Sending love to Emily. Thanks for making this video, I appreciate it
I really thought she was out there making a difference calling out these people that were never properly criticized. I know this hurts your tone of voice is shakey and you sound upset. I hope you can move on from this drama I will continue to support you and hope you have a great day
As a former fan too, I just feel angry at myself, I didn’t see or register the signs that I normally see in bad people on the internet. I trusted Shannon full heartedly and look what happen, she was the person I go to when drama happens, she was what I’d want to be, a good person who cares, but now I know better that Shannon lied to me, us, to everyone in her life… all I can hope is that she take her actions and apologize for them.
I don’t understand all these art versions of Shannon... she looks nothing like it and she seems to be against fat phobia but she body shames others and then proceeds to make her character extremely slim and nothing like her true body shape which is a bigger woman. Not to mention it looks nothing like her at all... even her cartoon is a whole ass lie. SMH.
I been her fan for years.And I looked up to her I started mine youtube channel kinda cuz off her I gaind more confidence aswel.And then finding out this hole thing made me really upset.I cant hate her but she deserves all the fucking backlash and I wish she wouldve not run away from it but here she is.I just feel so bad for the victims I cant belive I supported such a bad person
I've been a huge fan of Shannon for like 2 years, and I even drew her fanart, (I never sent it to her because I never got enough confidence to even try) so seeing her crash and fall like this because of how terrible she is is just heartbreaking. 3 weeks ago, I would have gone into battle for her, I would fight by her side no matter how questionable she acted or how many people hated her because I loved her and didn't see the red flags. Some people saw her aggressiveness and need to voice her opinion as a red flag but I related. I'm a loud, angry person but when I started watching Her, I was living on 2 hours of sleep a night and didn't have the energy to get mad, so she could be mad for me. She expressed the anger that I couldn't produce because I wasn't sleeping enough, if at all, every night. Now that I'm getting more sleep, (6-8 hours) I look back at her videos and realize how delirious and out of it I must have been to think that how she was reacting was appropriate for the situation. Sure, she can be mad, but she can't throw out claims and allegations at a person who she doesn't particularly like. I know she did this without knowledge, but my tiredness, exhaustion and deliriousness plus her gaslighting, manipulation and bullshit, I felt like I was being double manipulated and taken advantage of. I know she didn't know that I was barely alive, only living on 0-3 hours of sleep every night, but it felt like somehow she was taking advantage of me in my all time low. Idk man, I don't remember when I started this comment or how far I've strayed from my original path, and I'm sure ethos comment is riddled with misspells and Grammar mistakes because I'm tired asf, but what I'm trying to say is, I loved Shannon so much, and I would have died for her, and now I hate her guts and want to cry knowing that only a few days before the allegations came out, I commented on multiple of her videos showing my support at love for her. I'm disgusted by her and my past self for trusting her.
I was a fan of Shannon subscribed until I get a notification from Ready To Glare. I watched that video and was intrigued and disappointed, but it wasn't until I saw Emily Artful's video that I was disgusted
I feel so bad for thumin, since creepshow was her “friend” while she was being bullied
Yes. Poor Thumin was royally fooled and used for clout!
It sucks knowing she was using so many other creators for brownie points :( honestly I feel like her more recent posts about thumin were really showing her weird hero complex but she was being so disgustingly nice it was hard to put a finger on what was wrong
Lol I’m the 420th person to like this comment 😂🤣👌🏻
I am both a former fan of creepshow and yandev. Are the stars aligning or is there a lot of people like that.
Both.
A lot of people that make it big on TH-cam are like that. Not that it doesn't exist outside of the internet, but the possibility of fame draws the attention and interest of a lot not great people
Both unfortunately this kinda behavior is very common
There's a pattern here I'm not sure I like
Oh add ex Dr Apeis fan and Game Sleuth fan... thankfully I grew out of Yandere when I was 16 or 17
How to ruin a TH-camr's Career if you Don't Like Them. (according to Shannon):
-Spoof their IP from multiple devices
-Post good things about them on an anonymous forum
-Use slurs that go against what that person stands for on an anonymous forum
-Do nothing on TH-cam
-Do nothing on Twitter
-Refer to the TH-camr you're impersonating in the third person
-Literally do nothing to impersonate the TH-camr lol
Factsss
This is so awful because Shannon betrayed the trust of so many people, including myself. I'm frankly disgusted by her and I hate that I had to watch the entire thing play out from the position of a spectator. Also her claims that this mysterious "Amy" girl was trying to sabotage her is so bullshit that it's sad.
I feel you, its so so shocking. Especially the Amy part- it actually gives me the creeps!
Agreed
Thomas had never seen such bullshit before
For me I don’t really give a damn about this drama. It’s just really interesting to me as I used to watch her months back so this overall didn’t affect me as much as everyone else was. Tho I was a bit taken aback at the Emily artful drama.
I believe that if Emily was able to come out of a dark place when she also used to be a terrible person Shannon can to as long as she tries to get help and ya know, actually wants to become a better fucking person
Before this video i accidentally clicked on a shannon reupload, i thought it was a joke video and when i heard her voice it hurted, i noticed i actually saw her as someone good and someone i was sure of just because i watched her content
It sucks
I feel terrible for Thumin, who was manipulated during her time of need. Only for people to demand accountability _from Thumin_ for Shannon's actions.
I didn't realize Thumin was Shannon's mother but now I guess I know better /s
People seriously need to leave Thumin alone. She's already going through enough and she isn't responsible for what Shannon chooses to do in her free time.
Thumin is Shannon's mother?!
@@ShirShe27 They meant motherly figure
@@admnov93 Oh. Thanks.
@@callimara Agreed. Thumin had some vile A-Hole pounce on her when she was commenting on another post about this. I was so angry I went and told said A-Hole to back off under his bridge. It was vile.
i feel like an absolute idiot for supporting her and not seeing the red flags, my heart goes out to Emily and everyone else who was affected by the situation.
also the art looks great !!
She broke everyone's trust. You're not alone💗
Just don't feel guilty, feel PISSED. I was never a fan of Shannon, her story time videos just give me manipulative vibes. The way she talks triggers me, she cuss a lot, and always get mad, just like those pick me girls in high school. I was never a fan of her, her videos give me manipulative vibes becuase she always sound so mad in her videos
Ooo I can’t wait to see your reaction when you find out what Emily did to Bowie
I feel so bad for trusting her. I feel stupid for being so easily manipulated and ignoring the signs. I’m glad this is all coming out, it’s finally time everyone knows the truth
Aw, i feel u so much on this. I just made a vid ab her lovebombing her friends and fans (not trying to blatant self-promo, just that i also felt that way and talked about it). Shannon was so manipulative - and i think people like her rely on good-natured people who would never think to lie like that. And that’s why it can be so hard to detect. I’m glad its all coming out now too. Have a lovely day ☺️
sadly i was also blind on trusting her on the peaches drama
I feel like an idiot. There were so many holes in her stories that its triggering my trypophobia
Same here. I followed her because of the Pro-LGBTQ+ stance (as I have family, friends, and acquaintances in that community) and her body positivity stuff (I'm a big girl).
She posted her little thing on her community page and start with I believed her. I offered my support to her.
To find out later (via posts on her own page) that she was posting homophobic, transphobic, fatphobic and ableist slurs shocked me. Other YTers were making videos, so I started seeing their views as well. I then went back to the comment on the community post and re-read it.
It was then that I also began to think that the IP thing was fishy. Doing my own little checks made me see that it would have been almost impossible for a hacker to do that and especially over a few years!
Then I read the screenshots taken of the compilation of posts from LOLcow. It was just disgusting seeing that, and EmilyArtful's video coming out was what finally convinced me that I had been royally fooled, as had many of her fans and the people that were gossiped about.
She had been my first Art Commentary Channel I followed, and it was through her I followed Giulia/RTG, D'Angelo, Omnia, Nawnii and many others. I seriously wish I'd found them another way.
Same
it sucks seeing the people that consisted Shannon a friend seeing what they are going through once they found out about the lowcow and Emilyartful situation and feeling betrayed that someone who was so nice like when you said ready to glare she got flowers at her doorstep from Shannon just a few days prior and seeing a lot of her fans that most likely worked on art while listening to her videos feeling betrayed as well. this whole drama is a mess and a think we all agree that Shannon’s career is over
unfortunately, her career wont end. cancelling does nothing in most cases. She will still have subscribers, she will still be monetized. the only way she wont have a career is if somebody involved irl takes legal action. I really hope emily artful does.
Remember, it's not a shame to belive someone is better than actually they are.
Situation with Shannon is more serious than just "we catch her on gossip forum" and "she is bad person". Shannon probably stalked and harrased Emily for 8 years and that's a crime accusation.
I think the worst part of everything coming out is just how *many* creators were friends with Shannon, and have expressed how confused and hurt they are by everything. A creator being revealed as awful is one thing, that happens constantly, but seeing the effects on all the people who trusted her- her colleagues, her peers- it just leaves this pit in my stomach. Some people are saying they got a gut feeling about her, but I don't know if *anyone* could have really predict the extent of it.
I hope you're doing okay Calli, and take some time to process
I became a fan of hers way back in the day, when she was just starting out. I followed her, interacted with her videos and sometimes commented, and one day I just felt like drawing fanart for her. She shared my drawing, she gushed over it, and gave me so much support, I just felt so happy. When Peaches made her a fursona, I also drew fanart of that, and both Peaches and Shannon recieved it with so much love. I was such a huge fan of hers, she even followed me for a while back in the beginning! Now I just feel so bad for supporting such a person. I know I couldn't have known before, but I should've known better than putting her in such a high pedestal
i had sort of stopped watching shannon's videos sometime in mid 2020 because her behaviour started to remind me of a former friend who was just... not very healthy for me. it made me uncomfortable, but i didn't think shannon was a terrible person at the end of the day. which is why this drama hit me so hard. and it just keeps going deeper and deeper, more stuff keeps coming out about it... it's so upsetting that i'd once liked her videos and supported her, even if it was a while ago
I was so weirded out when I saw this. I liked her at first until the Hopeless Peaches drama. I had a feeling she was a bad friend but this is just insane. Take care Calli! I hope she can get the help she needs to change and that everyone she hurt can heal from this
I found you through Shannon’s video, but I’ve grown to really love your content on its own. I’m glad something good, such as finding a great creator like you, came out of the creep show art channel. Good luck with everything you have going on 💖
I never watched her tbh, she always had a reputation of never getting to the point (for like 7 minutes she'd ramble on about someone) but damn i never knew she was like this
Also cali, i hope you get better
I can gladly say that I didn't find you through Shannon, but it was still painful still seeing all of this go down. Painful to see the anguish and pain of Emily, painful to see the way she backtalked her friends and doxxed her family, and painful the way she deflected and lied to her community.
Shannon has hurt so many people. It's horrible. I've been wanting to make a video on it myself on my own channel but I feel like I'm not able to add anything else to the table.
Her actions have destroyed so many peoples lives and I pray she gets what she deserves
CORRECTION: the internet is NOT good at telling when someone has actually changed. Example: Trisha Paytas
Another example is Shane Dawson along with Jefree Star and James Charles
please do not say there is no reason for people to like you, you sound like amazing person, I am sorry Shannon hurt you in this way, but I am sure there will be plenty people in your life that will love you as you are.
take care
thank you so much :)
I knew there was something odd about her, she was just too nice for no reason, without any benefit and now when we know why she was this way, it hurts.
As truly awful and sad as this entire situation is, it is very revealing as to the manipulative psyco-social nature of social media. Shannon learned how to mimic social media alorithms. Making all of her interactions with others ones which made the other party(ies) feel good through recognition, praise and all manner of love bombing, encouraging them to repeat the interaction(s). However, she would simultaneously use the guise of annonymity to say malicious things about any and everyone around her, which would likely prompt them, as well as others, to respond or engage in defense or as a reaction. Using this cycling of positive and negative emotions as a means to draw attention to herself, foster conversation about her, and ultimately maintain as much engagement as possible.
I haven’t watched Creepshow Art before but I can probably say what’s on everyone else’s mind:
Why are all of the creators I was a fan of turn out to be complete shit?
I’ve been just watching E V E R Y O N E S Creepshow art vids and I very much appreciate your input in this whole thing quq
Im so sad , she really helped me at my worst but i cant really support her anymore ,feels like loosing someone you really love ...
You sound so heartbroken,,, I’m so sorry you’re going through so much. It gets better, I just hope it gets better for you soon. Love your comic btw
Thank you so much :)
Agreed, you sound like a real sweetheart. :-)
I feel so embarrassed that I had a *LITERAL* breakdown about her........
I'm so sorry for you, what Shannon did was awful not just those directly involved but her former fans as well. I myself cried about it a lot and wished it was all just a screwed up dream. I hope you feel better ❤
Im so sorry :( what Shannon did is unacceptable, and its a reflection of HER, not you or anyone else she manipulated. You are a good natured person - and you wouldn’t conceive doing what Shannon did. That’s what people like her rely on - the good nature of others - and its something they don’t have themselves. That’s why they lie like that. It’s so messed up, but now we know and we can learn from this. In the meantime, your feelings are valid and its ok to take time to process this. Sending good vibes your way 💖
@@_kataliste_ Thank you so much! I hope your feeling better now too!:D
@@bandbecause Thanks! I have been time to myself.....It’s just I feel like I am contributing to pretending not to know.....I wish I could help all the people she’s hurt...I just feel it’s partly my fault..But thank you!:)
@@SADIE_Maybe_SADISTIC Aww I feel you on that too! The undue guilt- you have done nothing wrong or to feel guilty about. And that’s not to invalidate your feelings! I understand that so well. I think this will take time for a lot of us to process. And as much as anyone feels they could’ve done- people often won’t receive a message they’re not ready for, or that they don’t witness first hand and piece together for themselves. Sorry for rambling, and i hope that makes sense. Ive def been going through a lot of these thoughts and emotions myself lately 💕🙏 have a lovely day! :)
Oh no now she's hurt my favorite bean! 😭 You can't hurt Calli!
This whole thing really upset me but knowing now that my favorite creator is also super hurt by this is the cherry on top of the awful awful cake. 💔
Awww hearing you say I'm your favorite creator makes me really happy :)
@@callimara You totally are though♡♡♡ Your voice is so calming and I love how positive you are! Which makes it suck even more that you also got hurt 😢
Yea... I persionaly seem to have developed a (sort of) bad/odd gut feeling towards people who I hear/watch/see and so far it hasn't really been wrong
So honestly I wouldn't say I saw this situation coming since I honestly didn't but I did see that she wasn't a good person coming
but ye screw shannon
You’re why I stopped trusting her in the first place and I’m so glad I did because I would’ve been even more upset and betrayed
i feel like a lot of people had a sneaking suspicion about shannon but that being said, it doesnt really brace you for everything coming to light. i feel bad for her friends and her fans, the whole situation is very unfortunate
One good thing that came out of all of this is that so many people from different communities are coming out to support each other which I find rather heart warming. It's a shame that any of this even had to happen though.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people like Shanon, but it doesn't mean that there are no good people. We should be kind with each other and no matter what, we need to save a humanity.
Keep drawing Calimary, I'm believing in you 💕
I was a fan of hers for so long
I even tried to believe her last community post...
Though I was not a friend of her, I have one thing from Shannon that will be hard to fix
You see, I am not an English speaker
I reached the point where I think in English, but I am still heavily dependent on listening it from others and taking in different ways of forming the sentences or understanding certain slang
I was listening to Shannon daily, even repeating some of her videos again and again
I have a sertain ways of speaking taken from her embroidered in my head, I now struggle with getting away from her because of that
My native language started to leak in my thoughts when it is English time for specific reason of me being scared to further replicate Shannons speach lol
Good that I have Calimara and others who I can listen to
I like- really feel bad for ever supporting her. I don’t know if anything she has ever said is true, I don’t know what I should feel about any celebrity that she has talked about. I now have trust issues, and I don’t even know if I can trust anyone who’s talking about Shannon. Anyone can do this. Even my friends. This hasn’t just had an impact on people with contact with her, but also fans. Even the way I speak can be tracked down to Shannon. Because of her I do say “my dude” it’s so fricking disgusting. I binge watched ALL her vids multiple times. You could say I was a Stan. But know, I don’t think I’m the only one that has this feeling, and I want u to know that if you feel like this u aren’t alone.
I was looking forward to joining the art community,didn't realize there was so much drama .😑🤣
I can already see it now
Shannon comes back and videos titled “creepshow art HAS NOT changed”
This type of stuff makes me afraid to trust people, to open up my heart to anyone. I hear about Shannon backstabbing anyone who was unfortunate enough to know her and it makes me upset, angry, and anxious. If I feel that way, I can only imagine what pain and hurt the people who were friends with her have from this.
I believe there is a old saying that describes these fallen creators ( creepshow , yandere dev, Thomas astruc,etc) “oh how the mighty have fallen”.
Ouch is hurts and to think that I actually was a fan of her 💔
anyway hope you're feeling a bit better now your art is absolutely beautiful you're a really big inspiration for me and I love you so much 💕💕💕
You can really hear the pain in Cali's voice. I'm so sorry about all of this, I'm always here for my fellow old fans of Shannon
when I was stressed out or needed someone to watch while I did homework, I watched Creepshow art...
I loved her channel and all her videos, I liked to hear about her opinions on subjects and
I was in disbelief when I heard this news, like my heart literally dropped, I felt betrayed by someone who I don't even know personally.
I was also an Ex fan of creep show art I liked her for awhile but then she got into a ton of drama, each video wasn’t an apology but a diversion to stop her from getting blamed.
Her content was mind numbingly addictive and watching speed draws were mesmerising. I watched a lot of her videos when I needed a distraction from life. I feel bad for supporting her but at the same time, none of us could've known she'd be like this. Hopefully she and Anthony have a wake-up call that this behaviour is not on and that they get help..... hopefully
I was a fan too. I thought she was just a dork at first with a big mouth and a lot to say and it was entertaining. But seeing more and more and adding up so much in my head, I saw some truths and understood that this wasn't a good human being. I feel sick that I liked a person like this...NEVER AGAIN! I will do more research on people before subbing to em and giving em any time of my precious life.
I hope you can recover, I wish you all the best and much love!
calli, i feel the same. i love your videos and please stay safe.
Honestly and don't take it the wrong way I thought you wouldn't comment on it because she kind of boosted you. I'm so glad I was wrong and you are making this, love your art hope you have better days to see it must be really hard and I'm sorry you have to go through it. You are amazing. I hope you have better days 🐢✨
Well. I’m glad I found you at the very least, along with Thumin. 🖤 much love.
I feel the complete opposite about her, she always seemed so fake to me. Sorry you were so let down though, that’s sad but you keep going! You are very talented
I was a huge fan of CSA. I watched her videos, and I too thought she was just a regular person, talking about popular topics and stuff like that. She inspired me to start drawing more. I did catch some bad vibes sometimes, but I thought nothing of it. After all of this lolcow stuff came out, and after Emily shared her story, I feel so bad for ever supporting Shannon. As far as I know, she still didn’t respond to Emily’s story, and that is just going to dig her hole deeper. It is gonna be impossible to debunk these claims, and it’s gonna be really fun to see Shannon try.
honestly, i only watched her because it was funny to see an adult be such a goddamn kid but I am hella disappointed that she turned out to be such a brick. I've been consuming so much information and it's like... why did she have to lie?? she could have left that out and when this specific drama would have occurred she would have still had a chance to have a bigger following and be able to get away with it... idk if I make any sense lol I am just really fed up
Only good thing that came out of this drama is the amaZing art people produce
I’m a former fan of creepshow, I used to be a channel member too. I feel really similar, like this was a harsh reality check that some people just aren’t what they seem and it’s really confusing and disheartening.
Beautiful artwork! I just found this video on my recommended and I'm in love with your channel already :)
thank you for the beautiful words at the end of the video. i personally really needed that. i am very upset with creepshow and this has been a lot on me because i thought highly of her too, and it adds weight to a lot of the stuff im dealing with. but i don't completely hate shannon because ive had a similar dark history and im working on improving myself and getting better. i wasn't as bad as she was but it still makes me feel incredibly guilty, and this creepshow situation has been a giant wakeup call to me.
it also sort of stabbed me a bit, and ive been reflecting a lot on things that had been going on the last few years, especially with losing wonderful friends because of things, old behaviors, and not improving myself.. and yeah.
i do agree that she isn't completely irredeemable and that she could completely change for the better. but she also has hurt so many people and severely stalked Emily along with anthony (who was very abusive to Emily and bad to shannon (even though she refuses to acknowledge it)) and hurt her. she has backstabbed people and talk shit about them, and she just overall has been very two-faced and has done things that are very manipulative and left so many people hurt.
she doxxed and threatened to dox people, and she even doxxed her own sister who was having a really hard time in that moment. and she did a whole lot of things and it really makes a whole lot of us upset and idk.. i feel so sorry for everyone she hurt but i do hope shannon will stop altogether, change, come clean, and leave certain people alone for the rest of her life.
all this really sucks.. im hoping she gets what she deserves. and im hoping everyone will heal, really... this just has been so bumming.. idk what to think anymore. i regret supporting her at all and i just want everyone to be okay.. what she had been doing is awful and disgusting and i just want her to stop and for everyone she's affected to be okay
I also used to be a big fan of her. She posted a video last year or so and she was SO aggressively angry for what seemed like no reason. And after that I unsubbed because it wasn’t a healthy anger it was dark. And if she could get that angry over something silly how angry could she get over something serious? I tuned back in after I saw Emily artful’s video. And it’s bone chilling and shocking. But at the same time everything everyone is revealing makes so much sense. It’s bizarre.
I haven't heard about this until yesterday, but I know what it's like to put your trust in someone, only for them to do a 180 and turn on you.
I used to be a fan of Shannon too. I used to eat her content up, but then, he content no longers appeals to me anymore. And I am glad I managed to get off her channel before everything dropped.
also a former fan of Creepshow! I really liked the topics (and her art) she covered so I decided to subscribe. I forgot about it until the hopeless peaches drama, then I decided to unsubscribe. That was it, and once the whole lying thing came up and all this drama I was glad about my choice of unsubscribing before, instead of now. Even though her videos covered topics that I was interested in learning about, they always had a very rude, mean, nasty tone to them. She always talked very sharply/rudely, and it just gave me bad vibes to be honest.
I've seen a lot of channels saying stuff and I honestly trust you more than a lot of other channels, since lots of drama channels do blow things out of proportion. But you never do that, so I will genuinely listen to you on this and see my own perspective on this and if this goes really bad, then I'll change my perspective on her.
Thank you Cali- I looked up to Shannon as well and I wish I had really thought about how Shannon didn’t take any accountability to the HP drama…Shannon was my favorite TH-camr for years and this all is a huge stab to the gut to her fans and friends. Make sure you are taking care if yourself rn and Have a good rest of the day/night 💖💖💖💖💖💖
oh wow i'm early and the videos on creepshow art....when I first heard about this I was shocked because she seemed so nice and so straight forward that made me like her so when the Accusations came out I originally didn't believe this until so much more came out and her account and community tab "was hacked"
Please know that Shannon is not measure to your worth. You have, skills, love for worth and you feel like agreat wonderful person.
I really appreciate this, thank you :)
Apparently most of the speed paints in Shannon's vids aren't even hers,she uses her followers art
When you said she inspired you to make your youtube channel..i felt that because she inspired me to make commentary videos with my art playing in the background. I wanted to be like her but in my own way. Now seeing who she is...im glad I didnt make any videos while she was continuing her career and say publicly i was inspired by her. Sadly i dont think she saw any of her friends as friends because she publicly lied saying she had no one and no one believed her in the friend group when there is evidence of her friends reaching towards her wanted to help. Even Tati gave her a blueprint on how to work this out because she had a tiny benefit of the doubt but Shannon just ran and left her friends hurt
What's sad about this is you can't even give her the benefit of "well, let's just see what she has to say" because this shit is so fucked up, I could never accept an apology. I think most of the community is the same. It's just really sad
I honestly don't know what to do with this situation. I was a big fan of Shannon, I also thought she was really genuine and I really liked that about her.
It feels like I've been slapped in the face and I wasn't even involved. I can lie and say I'm not hoping she comes back with evidence that all her claims are true, but to be honest I just can't support her anymore.
It feels like every creator I've found through her has been tainted now. Like I can't think of them without thinking of her. I'm honestly really glad I found you on my own and not through Shannon.
I'm glad to hear, and I'm sorry you have to feel this way as well :(
It's always so disappointing to see the people you look up to turn out to be the thing they praised not being. CSA always gave me the vibe of coming off harsh, but I knew a lot of people like that. It's something I personally don't like, but I know that's how some people just are. That's what I thought about her. It's (personally) still hard to believe she did all this. I guess I should have seen the signs, considering how she always came off to me, but I digress. Anywhoozles, amazing video Callimara! :)
I actually found your channel through Creepshow Art, I've honestly found a lot of the people that I watch via her. Like you, I can't really wrap my head around this either. So sorry to hear how this affected you as well as CSA's other victims like Ready to Glare and Emily Artful. None of you deserve what she said or did. I'm very sad to have lost one of my favourite people to watch, but at least I found some decent people like you and Thumin to support in her place.
Please take care of yourself.
Sending love and support from South Africa
[👥] 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐰𝐨 𝐟𝐚𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐥𝐢𝐚𝐫 [👥]
My own opinion about creepshow "𝗱𝗿𝗮𝗺𝗮", which now it's more of a crime than drama, i used to watch her and i thought she was genunine and passionate about what she talked about, enjoyed her videos, it made me aware of issues that i didn't realize or thought that existed, but the more i watched her, the more i realize, she was getting agressive and sounding egotistical to me and stopped watching her when the asussations were posted.
Well she is the queen of lies
I used like her but not anymore
Geez I love your video honestly. The ending really helped me kinda collect my thoughts. Maybe I never liked Creepshow, but earlier this week my favourite game developer got cancelled for doing something I strongly disagree with, but I was really broken after that, since... you know... I really thought he was okay among all the other terrible people. But you're right... I don't have to support him no matter what if it contradicts my morals.
You mean Scott Cawthow? (Idk how to spell his last name)
@@rockhistoria2537 Yea... Scott Cawthon
@@Veiraviss what happened? The only things that I really know is that he was cancelled on Twitter, retired, and apparently vivzie is involved...
@@Veiraviss ... I don't know how to react to that
Hes retired now.
"people have done much worse things" ...than stalking someone for like a decade?? i mean i agree with the rest of this video but the amount of testimonial evidence with even two separate people corroborating shannons obsessive stalking...
i dont think i can trust anyone who stalks someone for even a few months because i may have only been cyberstalked for a short while before this person learned how persistent a blocker i am on social media (but this is after being "friends" for a few years where they started conversations with me then had to tell me everyone hates me. (and then they also send my brother this essay about how awful a person i am just like a week after telling me "ah i miss talking to you and stuff" ...kinda like what shannon also did behind others...)) but like. i dont have space in my heart to forgive stalkers...
as much as i agree with the rest of the video and feel bad for people who were fans that feel hurt by this stuff. im just gonna have to go ahead and disagree there mostly because ive known those types of people and they dont WANT to get better as people they want to get better at acting like one.....
Omg I’m having deja vu again. First, it was yandev, then James Charles, and now Creepshow... Like, I know people aren’t perfect but you start to question your judgement after awhile, ya know? It’s hard to trust anyone nowadays it seems.
It's hard to imagine things switching up so quickly like this, especially since a lot of us saw the signs and didn't know what to make of them at the time, and even those signs couldn't prepare us for the full extent of the truth. It's insane. I as much as others also feel sorry for the people she was friends with or horribly harassed. No one deserved to get treated like this behind closed doors like that... It's only worsened or given trust issues to people that confided in her in dark moments too...
I wouldn't really call this a drama. This is now a situation going on just like everything serious happening from 2014 to now are situations/incidents. The reason being is there are too many things happening than just "he said she said." What Shannon has been allegedly doing is stalking and doxxing a person to nearly ruining their life along with other things.
I've always had a neutral view of Shannon since I really only subbed to her because of D'Angelo Wallace. Never watched her videos tough since I was in college at the time, so her videos were just background noise as I did my art in the art studio.
Anyway, she really wasn't my cup of tea, and I thought I unsubbed from her until the whole Hopeless Peaches drama, which I still think was overblown for no reason. That was the nail in the coffin moment I had with Shannon; especially since she didn't own up to what she did.
This situation, however, is an anchor dragging the coffin down into the bottom of the ocean. I really can't imagine how she can recover from this at all. If Emily is taking this to court, Shannon better start praying to whatever deity in myths to not be put in a slammer along with her partner. This is too much at this point.
literally, also saying “people have done mucg worse" isn't really the best way to approach this situation imo. Shannon can change but it will never take away from whaz she did to Emily (if the allegations turn out to be true). Like you said, that isn't just some petty highschool girl fight kinda deal, it's ruining someone's life for several years
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Shannon definitely had moments where she could have changed, and changed in a genuine way. If she just decides to change because she is now being called out (ie probably throwing someone under the bus), I wouldn't take it as an outsider.
Honestly, it's really not up to me to take her change. It's up to Emily in the end since she's been hurt the most. The focus should be on her because the outsiders and audience have to let the true victim in all of this have the final verdict.
I idk how to feel about the creepshow art situation
Trust me you didn't need her validation or others. Just keep being awesome and love will come from within. And I know this might contradict what I just said but really your doing great just continue to be a good, kind person, and don't let negative people or negativity into your life!
Idk if she actually has stalked and harrassed Emily for 8+ years then I don't think she deserves to be forgiven. :/ Even if it wasn't just her.
I have no clue what is happening .-.
It’s been 2 years since I watched a creepshowart video
I'd recommend people to watch another summary of the situation than Spoctor's. He is very dismissive about Emily's recount of being r*ped and continuously remarks that Emily was likely as bad as her ex while they were together. Saying he doesn't believe or trust her recount of the incident because she didn't provide proof was so gross to me, she was addicted at the time so getting involved with the police would've probably not resulted in any punishment for him (r*pe is often not taken seriously enough by police to even get to trail) while she could've faced drug charges. His video felt a lot like victim blaming, as if he was saying Emily was bad too so if Shannon hadn't been posting about others on lolcow he wouldn't have cared enough about the stalking and harassment to even make a video.
If you see this, try to give your the leeway you old give others. Your genuineness isn’t something to be ashamed of. It was taken advantage of. If you know yourself to be an individual who wouldn’t do that to others, at least be kind to yourself after being hurt by this situation. Her poor actions don’t reflect onto you. 😅Keep your head up.
oh dear god. Yandev and Creepshow are the same breed- I'm really stupid for supporting her. Really sorry you had to go through this dude! By the way- your art is wonderful :)
I'm a little late here, but I remember never really watching Creepshow until the drama with Peaches, who I was a fan of and still am. I watched only one of her videos, and something about the way she spoke rubbed me the wrong way. She just sounded so fake, and like she tried to honey coat her words. I'm really not surprised, but it's still sad to see so much of this in the community as of late
i feel like so many people are saying that they were "expecting" this and they always knew something bad would happen, but as someone who was formerly a creepshow fan... i dunno? i left at the end of the peaches drama because her content just wasn't as good anymore and i couldn't support her knowing what happened, but this was just.. a lot. ive been a fan of both hopeless peaches and emily since before like... the tobi stuff,, and i think just to see the carnage of what the actions of just one person did to the art community is really disheartening. csa was a pillar of the community, even if you weren't a fan, you knew she was big.. and it hurts to see how she can just destroy everything
Keep your head up love ❤
Beautiful artwork 💕
This whole video in a nutshell : "idk"
(Don't worry, I think I understand why that was, just found it funny.)
Shannon most certainly didn't do herself any favours by ghosting everyone who cares about her and running away instead of facing up to what she'd done. This is way too big a scandal for her to hide away from and hope eventually, it will just go away. It won't.
Frankly, something always seemed off about her for me especially the fact that she was always surrounded in controversy.
👍✌️🙏❤️ I unsubscribed from CSA almost a year ago, I knew she was toxic and was waiting for something to happen. I couldn’t very well do anything on a gut feeling and not liking her. Now I’m glad she’s been exposed because this goes beyond TH-cam drama. Sending love to Emily. Thanks for making this video, I appreciate it
I really thought she was out there making a difference calling out these people that were never properly criticized. I know this hurts your tone of voice is shakey and you sound upset. I hope you can move on from this drama I will continue to support you and hope you have a great day
As a former fan too, I just feel angry at myself, I didn’t see or register the signs that I normally see in bad people on the internet. I trusted Shannon full heartedly and look what happen, she was the person I go to when drama happens, she was what I’d want to be, a good person who cares, but now I know better that Shannon lied to me, us, to everyone in her life… all I can hope is that she take her actions and apologize for them.
At this point she's an IRL Lila
Your drawing in this is amazing
And here I thought, I was so confident in the fact that I’m subscribed to non-problematic people
I don’t understand all these art versions of Shannon... she looks nothing like it and she seems to be against fat phobia but she body shames others and then proceeds to make her character extremely slim and nothing like her true body shape which is a bigger woman. Not to mention it looks nothing like her at all... even her cartoon is a whole ass lie. SMH.
She sent Ready To Glare roSES*. Couple of days before this shit went down. Manipulation at its peak.
I been her fan for years.And I looked up to her I started mine youtube channel kinda cuz off her I gaind more confidence aswel.And then finding out this hole thing made me really upset.I cant hate her but she deserves all the fucking backlash and I wish she wouldve not run away from it but here she is.I just feel so bad for the victims I cant belive I supported such a bad person
I've been a huge fan of Shannon for like 2 years, and I even drew her fanart, (I never sent it to her because I never got enough confidence to even try) so seeing her crash and fall like this because of how terrible she is is just heartbreaking. 3 weeks ago, I would have gone into battle for her, I would fight by her side no matter how questionable she acted or how many people hated her because I loved her and didn't see the red flags. Some people saw her aggressiveness and need to voice her opinion as a red flag but I related. I'm a loud, angry person but when I started watching Her, I was living on 2 hours of sleep a night and didn't have the energy to get mad, so she could be mad for me. She expressed the anger that I couldn't produce because I wasn't sleeping enough, if at all, every night. Now that I'm getting more sleep, (6-8 hours) I look back at her videos and realize how delirious and out of it I must have been to think that how she was reacting was appropriate for the situation. Sure, she can be mad, but she can't throw out claims and allegations at a person who she doesn't particularly like. I know she did this without knowledge, but my tiredness, exhaustion and deliriousness plus her gaslighting, manipulation and bullshit, I felt like I was being double manipulated and taken advantage of. I know she didn't know that I was barely alive, only living on 0-3 hours of sleep every night, but it felt like somehow she was taking advantage of me in my all time low. Idk man, I don't remember when I started this comment or how far I've strayed from my original path, and I'm sure ethos comment is riddled with misspells and Grammar mistakes because I'm tired asf, but what I'm trying to say is, I loved Shannon so much, and I would have died for her, and now I hate her guts and want to cry knowing that only a few days before the allegations came out, I commented on multiple of her videos showing my support at love for her. I'm disgusted by her and my past self for trusting her.
I was a fan of Shannon subscribed until I get a notification from Ready To Glare. I watched that video and was intrigued and disappointed, but it wasn't until I saw Emily Artful's video that I was disgusted
your art is amazing!