I replaced the V-types with Creamback G12H75s in an SV20 plexi and the amp went from 'pretty good amp, man ' to 'i can't believe how amazing, authentic and musical this 20 watt bundle of fucking joy is now". No hyperbole.
I'm loving these graphs! A combination of G12M (thick rhythm) and G12 Neo (the mix-cutter).......but a combination of G12M and G12H for full sounding rhythm would be perfect. Maybe a 4x12 with G12H/M on the bottom and two G12 Neo's on the top. Thanks for the making the effort. I've been on binge tonight.
Another great video that helped me decide what I would replace T-75s in my Marshall cab with. I got that cab used a few years ago without knowing much about the differnt kinds of speakers (I played combo amps for years) and I never liked the high end of the T-75s (they get harsh easily) and I found them too boomy and they are quite scooped (bought that cab used a few years ago and it dates back to 2003 or 2004 but was in pristine condition). After hearing a ton of shootouts, I went with two H75 Creambacks and 2 V30s in X pattern. That is a killer mix that instantly gave me a more balanced tone with much more present and cleaner mids and much less flubby low end and the fizziness of the T75s is gone! The cab sounds great with clean, crunch and higher gain. I run a Revv Dynamis 7-40 into it and it sounds round and clear. Hearing close comparisons likein in this video really helped. Thank you!
@@codymcgrew4015 obviously you like both warmth and chime at the same time, as me. It's a matter of your budget, mainly. What is the rest of your rig and the genres you play?
@@georgefromgreece4119 I like mostly Post-Punk and Post-Hardcore stuff, but my favorite bands are Nirvana, Fugazi, The Jesus Lizard, Big Black. But primarily, I just love thick, yet clear, rhythm guitar (power chords, line leads, etc.)
@@georgefromgreece4119 I play a Marshall DSL40C (old model) And a Fender Blackface Bassman ‘65 (inspired by Nirvana haha) I’ve got a Mesa Boogie Studio Preamp recently (also inspired by Cobain) and I’m looking to buy a cabinet. If I do a 2x12, I’ll probably go with two Alnico Creams to get enough wattage going. If I do a 4x12, I’ll probably do H Creambacks coupled with either the 75Hz or 55Hz Greenbacks. What about you??
Of all of them, I prefer the Creambacks (M, H and Neo), Greenbacks and the Alnico's, although none of these speakers sounds bad and the H Creamback mixes well with all.
I have a cab with two Greenback 25's on top and two Creamback 75's on the bottom in a 412 cab. Sounds huge when opened up. Saying that, mixing with a G12 75's was pretty amazing with hard rock/metal.
Great videos! Just keep in mind the "EQ hangover" that you perceive for a few seconds when switching immediately from speaker to speaker. Listen to a darker speaker and all of a sudden your favorite Creamback sounds too harsh and brittle immediately after. Listen to a brighter sounding speaker and now your favorite Creamback sounds dull and lifeless immediately after. Taking a quick pause between will remedy this. Keep up the great work!
I paired the Blackbird with an ET 90 a while back and it is louder than WGS which takes a support role filling out the mids and gives it an airy bright addition to the high frequencies of the rounded-off high end of the blackbird and the blackbird gives you the lower bass frequencies. It would be interesting to hear it with some Celestions.
As always, adding weight extends the bass and mid high to high high response, and fills the low mids and the middle mids. It's a more of anything boost, but this doesn't really apply to all frequency ranges equally. The same in its basic principle stands true for cabinets, guitars, anything. It's material/ sound mechanics.
The G12H30 sounds really good. I thought the Creamback was my favorite Celestion but the Heritage is just a bit clearer and less boxy in the mid range.
I very much like these 21 speaker shootouts. They are very helpful when one is trying to choose a speaker combination. Please do a 21 speaker shootout using the Alnico Gold as the speaker of main focus. I currently have an Alnico Cream paired with an Alnico Gold in a Vox AC30 and I have found that I don't like the Cream in this application. A shootout with the Gold would be fantastic! Thanks!
This video bears out my experience. I have a 212 loaded with H75 CBs and it sounds really bright and harsh. I’m hoping that mixing another speaker will help.
Did you end up finding a speaker you like paired with the H75? I’ve got a 2x12 myself right now loaded with two H75 CB. And I’m torn. I definitely feel there’s room for improvement swapping one of them out.
@@piercedswitch Do you like the V30's better? Also what kind of amp are you using? I have an orange head and am replacing 2 of the 4 orange stock speakers in my cabinet with creamback H speakers to bring some clarity since I find them too dark and muddy. I am also thinking of mixing v30's in if I am still not happy with the leftover stock speakers.
Vids like this really let ya know why the V30/H30Anny combo is so damn popular: they both really get out of the vid to smash your teeth, they project themself so forwardly that are definitely a rock couple. Side note: the Neo creamback really cuts great, and the century vintage is a surprise for real. Question: why is the red back so appreciated?it always sounds so distant...
Thanks that is very kind of you. I agree, especially with the century vintage, that was a nice surprise. As for the redback, I do really like it but I think it is a personal preference thing, some people I know really don't like it, plus I don't think it settled in this recording process as well as it could. Here we were restricted to how much we changed the eq which isn't how you would normally play a speaker.
Both together sound awesome! I just replaced my Chinese made V30’s in my Orange PPC212OB. It was a definite upgrade and I’m very pleased with the tone which will get even better in the future!
Hi! guys, nice video! I can´t find information about the difference between celestion marshall g12h-cc 75w (that comes in the Astoria cabinet and combo) and the g12h-75. Can you share some info if you have some? Thanks a lot! see you
What amp?/ wattage?/ matched or matchless impedance? Just curious because if your running them in a 2x12 8ohms outa the head is implied. But 4x12 changes things.
To me best combo was with the alnico blue, then century and v type for some reason. Mixed with itself sounded cool too but a little out of phase, could it be?
The best mix I heard was a G12H75 creamback and a G12H30 in a victory vertical 212 (nearly compact cab), it blown me away, perfect match for maximum dynamic and headroom! But in this kind of cab highs were agressives. I will try now in a zilla super fatboy which is, with no doubt, the best cab I hear in my life!
It’s a decent speaker, but has a weird notched midrange to my ears. I thought I liked it at first, but after a few rehearsals I’ve given up on it. I much prefer the current G12M Greenback.
Just my Marshall SV20 so far. I tried it with that amp because it’s the speaker that Marshall puts in the matching 2x12. Not a bad speaker at all, but I prefer others. Just my opinion. ;)
@@Unusednickname_1970 yes it definitely has a differently pronounced midrange. It suits open backs more usually. And american voiced clean amps, or clean amps in general.
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So what I'm getting out of this is that the Creamback 75s are a balanced as hell speaker and sound better than almost anything.
I replaced the V-types with Creamback G12H75s in an SV20 plexi and the amp went from 'pretty good amp, man ' to 'i can't believe how amazing, authentic and musical this 20 watt bundle of fucking joy is now". No hyperbole.
These comparisons are great, thank you. The G12H Creamback sounds very balanced, to my ears, in this demo. G12M Greenback sounds amazing as well.
Thanks for that David, that's very kind of you, I'm glad you are enjoying them.
G12M65, G12H75, and G12 Alnico were my favorites. Loved their EQ's so much!
I'm loving these graphs! A combination of G12M (thick rhythm) and G12 Neo (the mix-cutter).......but a combination of G12M and G12H for full sounding rhythm would be perfect. Maybe a 4x12 with G12H/M on the bottom and two G12 Neo's on the top. Thanks for the making the effort. I've been on binge tonight.
The video is excellent, BRAVO! The associated graphs help tremendously, Celestion T5890 G12H-75 on the way...
Another great video that helped me decide what I would replace T-75s in my Marshall cab with. I got that cab used a few years ago without knowing much about the differnt kinds of speakers (I played combo amps for years) and I never liked the high end of the T-75s (they get harsh easily) and I found them too boomy and they are quite scooped (bought that cab used a few years ago and it dates back to 2003 or 2004 but was in pristine condition).
After hearing a ton of shootouts, I went with two H75 Creambacks and 2 V30s in X pattern. That is a killer mix that instantly gave me a more balanced tone with much more present and cleaner mids and much less flubby low end and the fizziness of the T75s is gone! The cab sounds great with clean, crunch and higher gain. I run a Revv Dynamis 7-40 into it and it sounds round and clear.
Hearing close comparisons likein in this video really helped. Thank you!
For myself:
0:21 w/ G12 Blue Alnico
0:28 w/ M Greenback
0:36 w/ Century Vintage
0:50 w/ Alnico Cream
0:57 w/ V-Type
1:04 w/ H Greenback 30W 55Hz
1:19 w/ Gold Alnico
1:26 w/ H Greenback 30W 75Hz
1:32 w/ H Creamback
1:47 w/ M Creamback
1:54 w/ G12H Anniversary
2:01 w/ M Heritage
2:22 w/ Ruby Alnico
I liked it best with the alnicos and other creambacks.
And the g12h.
You, friend?
@@georgefromgreece4119 pretty much exactly the same. I’m torn between H paired with the M Creamback, or an H 75hz Greenback, OR going all Alnico Cream
@@codymcgrew4015 obviously you like both warmth and chime at the same time, as me.
It's a matter of your budget, mainly.
What is the rest of your rig and the genres you play?
@@georgefromgreece4119 I like mostly Post-Punk and Post-Hardcore stuff, but my favorite bands are Nirvana, Fugazi, The Jesus Lizard, Big Black. But primarily, I just love thick, yet clear, rhythm guitar (power chords, line leads, etc.)
@@georgefromgreece4119 I play a Marshall DSL40C (old model)
And a Fender Blackface Bassman ‘65 (inspired by Nirvana haha)
I’ve got a Mesa Boogie Studio Preamp recently (also inspired by Cobain) and I’m looking to buy a cabinet. If I do a 2x12, I’ll probably go with two Alnico Creams to get enough wattage going. If I do a 4x12, I’ll probably do H Creambacks coupled with either the 75Hz or 55Hz Greenbacks.
What about you??
Of all of them, I prefer the Creambacks (M, H and Neo), Greenbacks and the Alnico's, although none of these speakers sounds bad and the H Creamback mixes well with all.
Good hearing from you Patrick. I think the H cramback is a great speaker for mixing and you picked out some really god speakers there too.
These videos are fantastic. Can’t wait to order a fatboy or oversized with Redbacks. Keep up the great work!
Excellent, thanks for that David, I'm glad you like them. I look forward to hearing from you about that Fatboy. Paul.
I have a cab with two Greenback 25's on top and two Creamback 75's on the bottom in a 412 cab. Sounds huge when opened up. Saying that, mixing with a G12 75's was pretty amazing with hard rock/metal.
Great videos! Just keep in mind the "EQ hangover" that you perceive for a few seconds when switching immediately from speaker to speaker. Listen to a darker speaker and all of a sudden your favorite Creamback sounds too harsh and brittle immediately after. Listen to a brighter sounding speaker and now your favorite Creamback sounds dull and lifeless immediately after. Taking a quick pause between will remedy this. Keep up the great work!
Great video as usual ! for me G12h30 55 paired with G12H creamback exellent and the blue /g12h75 creamback combo is perfect too
Really useful ! Thank you!
Excellent, thanks for that, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Really liked it with the g12h30, something magical with the presence and the low mids.r
There's a lot of love for the H30 lately.
I have one and absolutely love it with mixed with my jensen blackbird
Cool. I have toget a black bird in the workshop, it's been a while since I've played one.
@@ZillaCabs I thkin you guys will like it, sound really nice!
I paired the Blackbird with an ET 90 a while back and it is louder than WGS which takes a support role filling out the mids and gives it an airy bright addition to the high frequencies of the rounded-off high end of the blackbird and the blackbird gives you the lower bass frequencies. It would be interesting to hear it with some Celestions.
As always, adding weight extends the bass and mid high to high high response, and fills the low mids and the middle mids.
It's a more of anything boost, but this doesn't really apply to all frequency ranges equally.
The same in its basic principle stands true for cabinets, guitars, anything.
It's material/ sound mechanics.
Ah, getting one of these in my Fatbaby! Can't wait!
Great, I think you'll love it in there.
Me too!!!
@@SapperRJMorgan mine's to accompany a Marshall Studio Vintage head - one of those 20W plexis. What about you?
Just bought one!! Was going to buy one but based on your videos I was sure. Thanks guys.
Excellent, I hope you get on well with it.
I’m looking for this video with the M Creamback, but it seems you haven’t made it yet ☹️
H75 + VType actually sounds very good.
I think the Vtype came out pretty good in these situations.
The G12H30 sounds really good. I thought the Creamback was my favorite Celestion but the Heritage is just a bit clearer and less boxy in the mid range.
I very much like these 21 speaker shootouts. They are very helpful when one is trying to choose a speaker combination. Please do a 21 speaker shootout using the Alnico Gold as the speaker of main focus. I currently have an Alnico Cream paired with an Alnico Gold in a Vox AC30 and I have found that I don't like the Cream in this application. A shootout with the Gold would be fantastic! Thanks!
The Ruby is a great pair for the Gold, actually these two speakers are as if the Blue was torn apart in a mellower (ruby) and edgier (gold) side.
This video bears out my experience. I have a 212 loaded with H75 CBs and it sounds really bright and harsh. I’m hoping that mixing another speaker will help.
Did you end up finding a speaker you like paired with the H75? I’ve got a 2x12 myself right now loaded with two H75 CB. And I’m torn. I definitely feel there’s room for improvement swapping one of them out.
@@KipCount I ended up just replacing them with V30s
@@piercedswitch Do you like the V30's better? Also what kind of amp are you using? I have an orange head and am replacing 2 of the 4 orange stock speakers in my cabinet with creamback H speakers to bring some clarity since I find them too dark and muddy. I am also thinking of mixing v30's in if I am still not happy with the leftover stock speakers.
Would a 2x12 combo of the G12H-75 and the Greenback M (either classic or heritage series) or a G12H-75 and G12 Anniversary make sense?
Is there an A/B video of the V-Type vs the G12H-75 Creamback?
Vids like this really let ya know why the V30/H30Anny combo is so damn popular: they both really get out of the vid to smash your teeth, they project themself so forwardly that are definitely a rock couple. Side note: the Neo creamback really cuts great, and the century vintage is a surprise for real. Question: why is the red back so appreciated?it always sounds so distant...
Thanks that is very kind of you. I agree, especially with the century vintage, that was a nice surprise. As for the redback, I do really like it but I think it is a personal preference thing, some people I know really don't like it, plus I don't think it settled in this recording process as well as it could. Here we were restricted to how much we changed the eq which isn't how you would normally play a speaker.
Both together sound awesome! I just replaced my Chinese made V30’s in my Orange PPC212OB. It was a definite upgrade and I’m very pleased with the tone which will get even better in the future!
Hi! guys, nice video! I can´t find information about the difference between celestion marshall g12h-cc 75w (that comes in the Astoria cabinet and combo) and the g12h-75. Can you share some info if you have some? Thanks a lot! see you
What amp?/ wattage?/ matched or matchless impedance? Just curious because if your running them in a 2x12 8ohms outa the head is implied. But 4x12 changes things.
To me best combo was with the alnico blue, then century and v type for some reason. Mixed with itself sounded cool too but a little out of phase, could it be?
75 creamback and Neo creamback or 75 creamback and G12H anniversary for me
Yeah they are both great mixes. There has been a lot of love the H anniversary as a speaker to mix with lately.
You guys at Zilla left the Vintage 30 out of the "mixed with" section. Oops!
The best mix I heard was a G12H75 creamback and a G12H30 in a victory vertical 212 (nearly compact cab), it blown me away, perfect match for maximum dynamic and headroom! But in this kind of cab highs were agressives. I will try now in a zilla super fatboy which is, with no doubt, the best cab I hear in my life!
Great video!
You guys read my mind!!!!
haha, to be fair I'm surprised we didn't put this up before. Glad you like it.
Is it just me or the V-Type sounds really close to this creamback??
It’s a decent speaker, but has a weird notched midrange to my ears. I thought I liked it at first, but after a few rehearsals I’ve given up on it. I much prefer the current G12M Greenback.
@@Unusednickname_1970 what amps did you use it with?
Just my Marshall SV20 so far. I tried it with that amp because it’s the speaker that Marshall puts in the matching 2x12. Not a bad speaker at all, but I prefer others. Just my opinion. ;)
@@Unusednickname_1970 yes it definitely has a differently pronounced midrange.
It suits open backs more usually.
And american voiced clean amps, or clean amps in general.
Alnico blue mix for my ears
That is a great mix.
0:28 Creamback & G12M-25
0:57 Creamback & V-Type
1:32 2 Creambacks
Best speakers imho:
- Creamback 75
- V Type
- Ruby
- Heritage H
it paired best with the 65w creamback, sounded mufled with the alnico speakers.
Great!
Thanks, glad you like it.
*like* :D
Things are starting to open up mate, you know what that means!
Speaker mixes 0:19
Talking 2:51
Speaker shootout 5:08
Reminds me of a young Steve Winwood
Mixes
G12t-75 2:09
Sorry but I did not hear or see the H creamback with the V30... What happened?
0:37
0:50
0:58
1:54
1:20
5:10. 7:17. 7:50
5:17. 7:41. 8:30 neo
5:29. 6:29
5:52. 6:17