Celestion Heritage Series Shootout, G12-65, M-67 greenback and H greenbacks
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- Celestion's G12-65, M greenback and H greenbacks have provided some of the most iconic sounds in modern music. In the early 2000s Celestion decided to make what we consider to be a reissue series of these speakers called the Heritage series. It is a small selection of iconic speakers from the 1960s-1980s, all made in the UK and as faithful a reproduction as possible considering modern restraints.
These speakers are the H heritage greenback in both 55Hz and 75Hz bass resonance, copies of the post 1967 30 watt H, the 20 watt M greenback, a copy of the pre 1967 greenback and the G12-65 a copy of what was the new higher powered Celestion speaker brought out in around 1980.
Here we talk through a little about the speakers and then move on to demos of how they sound.
If you have any experience of these speakers, the originals or anything related we love hearing from you.
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Rhythm Crunch
10:05 G12-65
10:38 G12H 55Hz
11:20 G12H 75Hz
12:01 G12M 20w
12:42 G12M 25w Classic
I have a G12-65 from 1980 with a smooth cone and I like it very much. It is now in my Vox Concert 501 (Marshall JCM 800 Clone) as replacement for the original Fane speaker and I love it. It breaks up a little earlier as the ribbed cone speakers
High Gain the g1265 wins in my book. the rest I like the 55hz greenback
I love those two. The G12-65s are becoming a speaker I really love, any excuse to use them and I go for it. Thanks for watching.
"HAAAY YOU GUUUUUUUUYS!" 😂
That was an AWESOME speaker demo. Dude is a hell of a guitar player; sounded like some lost outtakes from 'For those about to rock.' Just killer, tasty playing as well as being informative and clear. Anyway I went in expecting to like the m heritage 20watt but I was surprised to prefer the g12-65! One of the best demos I've seen on YT and I have watched a million lol. Terrific job, fellas!
That 55hz Greenback is calling my name.
MrWilly buy me!!!!! haha, they sound perfect with a 2204 too, that is what I use.
The original G12-65's came in 1978 and was the successor of the G12m25 blackbacks with Kurt Müeller 1777 cones.
Great, I suspected it was a bit before 1980 but I've only ever seen them in amps/cabs from 1980 onwards, and I have a few sets of the M black backs from 1978 so assumed 79 or 80. Thanks for pointing that out.
This demo is Killa Zilla.
Very helpful.
Thanks for making it happen.
Clean
7:12 G12-65
7:45 G12H 55Hz
8:18 G12H 75Hz
8:51 G12m Heritage GB
9:24 G12m Classic GB
Crunch
10:06 G12-65
10:39 G12H 55Hz
11:20 G12H 75Hz
12:02 G12m Heritage GB
12:43 G12m Classic GB
Lead
13:24 G12-65
14:26 G12H 55Hz
15:24 G12H 75Hz
16:22 G12m Heritage GB
Funky Style
17:21 G12-65
18:33 G12H 55Hz
19:14 G12H 75Hz
20:07 G12m Heritage GB
Heavy
21:02 G12-65
21:20 G12H 55Hz
21:38 G12H 75Hz
21:57 G12m Heritage GB
Received a Deep small vintage 2x12 from Paul and the team only this week with the 55hz Heritage married with a V30 in closed back format. Not broken I my any means but wonderful sound with my Laney Lionheart head (also recovered by Zilla). Highly recommend and great video.
Many thanks Paul et al
Hi Jeff, I'm glad you like it. I love that combination and the DSV is a great cab for it.. not too big but big enough to allow the low end to come through. I liked the colour scheme you went for too, Laney should have used that in the first place ;)
@@ZillaCabs Photos from the new colour scheme?
Even though the G1265 is a rather dark speaker, it has a wicked clarity when you play leads on a neck humbucker or single coil. Especially when you crank those big 100 watt amps. That might be one of the reasons why guys like John Mayer or Robben Ford use it. Let that sink in: The $7000 PRS J Mod amp / cab uses these speakers! But it`s also the perfect choice for those iconic Angus Young / Back in Black era tones. Rumour has it he also used G12-65`s back then.
I always have a hard time to decide, so I got three different 2x12 cabs loaded with a pair of G12H55`s, a pair of the Heritage G12M`s and a pair of the G12-65`s ;-) My all-time favourite is the 20 watt G12m. I cannot recommend these speakers enough. And no, I don`t like the regular Greenback much. But the Heritage line is / was killer. One thing I will say though: The G12H55´s are very bright and not for everyone!
What about the 55hz Greenback with a JTM45 amp?
They sound great. They only make the 55Hz H heritage (although they are hard to get), but we do have some of the 55Hz M greenbacks that sound great too, they are 70s speakers.
@@ZillaCabs They quit making the 75 hz G12H 30 greenback heritage??
@@HiHello-ku1flAnd also the 55 Hz.
I liked the 55 Hz 30W G12H the best overall regardless of tones. I have to check that out next time I need a cab.
Yeah it's a great speaker. Thanks for watching.
I have a 1981 g12-65 and love it. Perfect for Di'anno era Iron Maiden.
I'm also a big fan of the Chinese greenbacks.
I love that era Maiden too... I hadn't thought but they would be using the G12-65 wouldn't they. Celestion have brought the classic series M greenback back to the UK now. They are still a great speaker. Thanks for watching.
Exelent comparison, I was looking this ones, I love the g12h wide mid presence, I remember some celestion representative saying the creamback 75 was similar to the heritage H, do you find it somehow similar to the 55 or 75?
The G12-65 seems like an awesome speaker for live/in the room experience, but maybe not my first pick if I had to choose one for mic'd recording, unless we're talking about strat or tele sounds. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I actually think the classic made in China Greenback might be the most balanced of them all. I just wished they had higher power rating...
Cheers, guys.
Edit: Have you guys ever tried one of those G12T that Marshall used to put on their combos during the 90s? The ones with a small label on the back. I hear they're actually very close to the G12-65s in construction but much more affordable.
I want to thank you for doing all the speaker comparisons it really helps me out and I'm sure a lot of other people also I'm the one from Tennessee Cookeville area that's been contacting you for about a vertical 112
Hey guys thanks for the video. Is this a new chinese g1265? I know that chinese v30s sound like poop compared to the uk ones, but I’m wondering if thats the case with new production g1265
I wasn't aware they had started making any in China, for years they seemed to have a Chinese version on the price list but never had any available to buy.... anyway, yeah these are the UK made speakers. Thanks for watching.
Celestion aren't making the Heritage G12M anymore aren't they? I know that you basically can't get them here in Australia it seems.
I'm not sure if they are or aren't, we have bought them but every time I look at getting more I half expect there to be no stock.
Man I think I’m really liking the 55hz g12h.
The 75hz h here sounds very similar , almost identical to the creamback75 on your creamback shootout video playing that solo riff with the chord progression underneath .
Similar scooped feel.
The 55hz here has a similar tonality just less scooped, a bit more clarity and forwardness.
Since it isn’t as scooped sounding in feel it would take eq better and be easier to find the sweet spot.
I wonder if the extra presence makes it more harsh though . Usually I find scooped speakers get peaky because of heightened top end and it can be tricky to eq them and retain clarity
Bought a chinese i think i got dealed a crop of moss
Just can't go wrong with a Celestion The 65 seemed to have a fuller tone More of the whole spectrum but I would imagine that the others would cut through a live Mix better But that's where basic EQ is your friend I love my original 65s in my 80s white Anniversary cab
That last heavy bit had a "Revolution is my Name" vibe to it. Great comparison. Surprisingly, I preferred the 20 watt classic for every section. I was expecting to like that one the least going into the video.
The 20 watters are great, and Joe knows I love that riff, I was always telling him to do something like that haha
For each sound I like a different speaker best... Mhmm.. it looks like I have to buy several cabinets from you guys :P
A JMP 2204 in a smaller headshell with a Fat Baby 1x12" would be the perfect rig for me.
hahaha, cabs aren't as easy to store as pedals though, probably why we all have way too many fx pedals about. The Fatbaby is a cool cab for these speakers, and especially with a JMP 50 watter. You'll know this already but the chassis is only about 470mm wide so you can get the amp cases down really small, it would fit on there just lovely.
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I would like to hear what all of them would sound like together in a 4X12 cabinet.
To be honest I'm not sure you'd hear the definition between the speakers, not with four different speakers in one cab.
be interesting to hear the diff between them and a pre rola G12 type speaker... its the controlled environment and sound equipment i lack, i watched as i have a sudden craving for the G12 65...
We've got loads of vintage greenbacks, G12-65s etc, that would be a fun video for sure.
I would like to see a shootout between the H75hz and the Classic as those were the two I liked best. Surprisingly I thought the M67 sounded pretty dead.
This summer I ordered a G12-M Heritage from a shop that had them at 50% discount. It turned out to be a "NOS" unit from January 2009, with the old-style connectors and everything. Unfortunately I didn't try it after a couple of weeks later, but I immediately decided to get the rest of the stock they had, sadly by then they only had 1 left (now in my power).
It's the sound of rock 'n' roll, simple as that.
The G12-M Classic isn't bad at all either, but you need to cut the highs a bit to make it sound somewhat like the Heritage.
Well..i don't know how the actual mie g12m sounds..but the chinese One once broken in was a very dark speaker compared ti the heritage g12m...while the pre 2003 regular mie greenback was brighter as well and very aggressive in mids
@@andreamuchetti4932 Good to know, thanks for the information! Currently I don't even have a place to play with speakers, let alone breaking them in ☹
What cab did you use for the recording? The 1x12 that was used with the strat?
Hi, we used the Fatbaby 1x12 with a closed back.
The chinese Greenback sounds best
I love all the speakers but I can hear how you think that... actually as it goes the classic series greenbacks are made in the UK too now.
@@ZillaCabs to me the classic series greenback sounds a bit shifted up in the mids and is brighter too but has that telephone sound as the mids went up a bit into upper mids territory so people hear it easier but to the trained ear the heritage is more centered mids and smoother on top as well. I prefer the heritage G12m but also like the g12-65 and think maybe those 2 could be nice together as I here maybe a lower mid from the 65 with tighter bottom. Has the dumble type mids or maybe Dumble type amps just sound right through g12-65 speakers for some reason. Good neck pickup tones with the 65's as someone else mentioned.
Last time 12 65 sounded muffled and this time it sounds as I remember it. It is a good speaker. My favorite is still H 55 Hz though. Funny thing is that from the real vintage once H 75 Hz sounded better to me than the H 55 Hz and in the new once it is other way around. Good video as always.
I guess it depends on the amplifier in use… I prefer the 75 Hz way over the 55 Hz ...
The 55’s are way too stiff, cold, sterile, ice pick, bright ‘to my ears’.
Of course, if you have a real warm, dark sounding amplifier, the 55’s could be perfect
NINEWALKING hey that's what I was thinking, too with the 55Hz and 75Hz version. Wonder why that is.
@@alanst.4417 I am pretty sure that old Pulsonic cones are the culprit. Namely motor was the same only different cone assembly was used. Stiffness of the surround and spider as well as cone weight makes its resonance peak at the certain frequency. This determinates lowest usable frequency of the speaker. Heavier cones are more rigid and can go lower. I bet difference between old cones 55 Hz and 75 Hz is different in the nature then difference between new versions. I guess simply now days Celestion is able to make a cone that is better on lower frequency. Though all new cones can’t touch old pre Rola Pulsonic cones. TLDR People Malibu Pulsonic cones where better in making the lead cones back then.
@@NINEWALKING thanks for your opinion, makes sense... Merry Christmas btw.
Love your channel and love to try Zilla cab one day.
Do you know what's different about the Heritage series Greenbacks vs the regular modern production one's( other than wattage)? Like do you know what Celestion did different, or whats different about the build/specs? And in your opinion do the Heritage actually sound closer to older Greenbacks? Like was that the goal? Cheers!
I am guessing the reduced power is in the voice coil, the heritage greenback is a darker speaker for sure and I know it has a different doping on the edge. I'll be honest, when comparing vintage speaers it can be hard because they've all had such different lives they can sound really quite different, but in general the pulsonic cone greenbacks tend to be a bit smoother sounding than amodern off the shelf greenback.
@@ZillaCabs Ok thanks. And NVM, I can figure out how to date the Blackback. I was just confused about Celestions dating guide at first, but think I got it all pretty much figured. Cheers
all of em are great!