I'm very interested in these cameras. Does the camera COME with NDI? Or do you have to license it after the fact? I only ask because I bought 3 Panasonic CX-350 cameras (specifically for their NDI/HX support), but you had to license the NDI for, like, $250 after the fact. Also... did you buy a controller for the PTZ cam? Thanks in advance for your response.
@@crooker2 They sell and NDI version that comes with it, yes. This exact version did not, so check the description on Amazon. The ones that say they come with NDI do come with it. Yes we use a separate controller. There are a couple videos on my channel about it :)
Thank you for you detailed review. We went live with 2 of these at church today. I really like them. One thing I noticed is the main camera that is a close up of the Pastor went a little blurry then back into focus a few times during service. Wondering if anyone else has experienced this?
I really like your video. Very good. I like the camera too. HOwever, i would love if you compare the 20x vs, 30x Zoom. I have a 85ft x 40 church and would like to figure out which zoom is best
Well, I am very happy to reply you, I suggest you use ADKIDO PTZ Camera, its distance can reach 492ft, zoom in 30x and still maintain high-definition，And the price is only 619 USD
I don't have an official PTZOptics. The SMRTAV I test against is a clone of one of their cameras running the same firmware and everything so I bet it's close.
Awesome conversation below with AVKANS. During some research in the summer of 2022, I found a discrepancy and mentioned it on this TH-cam video. AVKANS saw my note and had a conversation with me below. Summer 2022: A key thing that I found in my research. The FoMaKo camera sends it's inputted audio down all three video out methods, SDI, HDMI, and NDI. A popular competitor to FoMaKo, AVKANS, only outputs audio down HDMI and NDI, no SDI audio down the line. This is crucial for anybody who wants to insert the mixed audio down the camera path under an SDI workflow.
@@avkans Can you confirm that? An AVKANS Rep on Amazon states the opposite. Q: Does input audio come out of SDI? A: No, audio input come out of HDMI and NDI/IP. By AVKANS on August 25, 2022
@@livestreamequipment581 Inserting audio into one of the camera's line in, embedding the audio at the camera, and then sending the final audio down path with the camera feed insurers audio/video synchronization under SDI, HDMI, or NDI workflows.
@@DannyBoehning Yes, i can confirm that, i am the product manager of AVKANS. BTW, thanks for your information, I will ask our sales to update the answer.
My church uses this camera and it’s very good! The only thing I don’t like is that when you change the presets it does a little shuffle reset thing before it changes. I’m not sure if there’s a setting to make the transitions more smooth.
Thank you very much for your comments, ADKIDO ptz camera adopts the opinions of all users, and constantly improves the camera functions. Please pay attention to ADKIDO, which is a professional ptz camera
I tested this camera as well, PT speed is very slow, auto focus sometimes is not good. Of course I like the design. And ending with returned. Anyway, your review is good.
Glad to see your message, ADKIDO PTZ Camera Pan Speed Range 1.7° ~ 100°/s, Tilt Speed Range 1.7° ~ 69.9°/s. Is this speed enough for your needs? We can meet any needs
I made a short coocking clip. I forgotten to piel apples. I let the camera roll and in post I did a thing about it. And cut unnecessary things out of it. As when i took the apples out of the bag and so on, Just a question... What the thing with unboxing things. Put all the things an an table and show the content of the box but ok I am swedish and like keep unnecessary thinks away... But you do a good presentation and is a great help for guys like me.
Besides $200 what is the difference between NDI and w/o NDI equipped cameras. Is it only streaming of video over the ethernet cable or PTZ controls also. Can I control a non NDI PTZ camera over the network? I would like to buy the non NDI FoMaKo PTX camera and a network controller for the camera. Or maybe I can just use the remote to control it until I can afford a network based PTX controller. Does the FoMaKo remote let you setup presets? Thanks for the time you have put into these videos.
There is no real difference. In the price you are paying the licence fee for the NDI standard that the camera maker has to pay. Sometimes they have to put a little more memory in the camera for NDI to work right, but that isn't required for anything else.
Hello I noticed that the zoom control is very slow which is good for our church. Can you tell me if the pan control is also slow when you are zoomed in? Our pastor moves around a lot and I need a camera with a very slow pan when zoomed in for a head to toe shot. Thank you I enjoy watching your channel and have taken your advice in the past.
Yes the zoom is slow. I believe there are actually two zooms in the remote, slow and fast. But I might be remembering that wrong. Both the default zoom and pan speed is selectable. So you can make it slow if you like.
Our church purchased this camera and the controller with plans to do live stream. We found that the Fomako camera was not recognized by Vmix's camera input selector. Does anyone with Vmix experience have any comment on this?
How are you connecting the camera to the computer running vMix? One thing I’ve discovered with all these cameras is the USB interface is very unreliable. It’s much better to use an hdmi or SDI capture box if you need it to connect over usb.
Can the camera settings be configured remotely via the ethernet port? Such as ISO, white balance, shutter? Since it seems to be marketed as a live event robo camera, to me that would be an essential feature.
Some things yes, but none of these are as configurable as you'd probably like. They were originally for conference rooms and things like that. So they've been a little slow to catch up.
Thanks for the great review, I don't quite understand, Is there an option to live stream direct from this camera? without having any other equipment? any other streaming encoder is needed?
No, unfortunately none of these are setup to stream directly from the camera. So you'll need an ATEM Mini (amzn.to/3g7DjuR) or an HDMI capture box so you can use your computer (amzn.to/3E1Nj0I).
@@haimasher Okay, so looking around I think I stand corrected. There is a way to do it with a PTZOptics and probably any of the clones of that camera: ptzoptics.com/live-stream-directly-to-facebook-and-youtube/. So check out the SMTAV PTZ that uses the same hardware but can be had much cheaper (amzn.to/3UW1wDd). Thanks for this, I need to do a video about it :)
Hey. Sorry I do have the NDI version now of this. Basically if you are powering through NDI you will require some sort of POE switch for this device? For some reason I had in mind that I could power through my ethernet on the laptop but I don't think this is the case. This will be mounted about 15 ft in the air in a large hall, with 75 ft ethernet running back to main audio area via conduit. I will need to put in a little POE switch to run power to this device and then run single ethernet from the switch back to laptop? The laptop is running live stream on OBS via WiFi at this time as it is only about 15 ft away from router in closet next to audio table. Thanks.
Quick question: If I purchase 2 of these NDI cameras will I need to connect 2 hdmi cables to run to our Atem Mini Pro ISO or can I just run one to a single camera since they can talk to each other over ethernet and be able to change camera feed with the controller just using one HDMI channel in the Atem? The 3 PTZ cameras we use at one of the churches I play for doesn’t have NDI so this will be a little new to me. Even though I’m sure I can figure it out I just wanted to know in advance if that’s a possibility.
Unfortunately ATEM does not support NDI on the ATEM Mini Pro. So you'll need to run HDMI to each camera, so in your case both. If you only intend to use them with your ATEM you can actually skip the NDI model and save yourself a couple bucks.
You could run a single cable/NDI then extract HDMI from a dedicated NDI to HDMI decoder, taking a short cable feed into the Atem. It lets you do longer cable runs which standard HDMI cables can't support much beyond about 25-30ft. That said, I tend to use fibre optic HDMI runs of up to 100ft.
Manual moving the camera is pretty darn smooth. That said, moving between presets is pretty lousy on all the cameras I tested. We don't often move the camera besides a basic zoom or pan when it's live for that reason.
@@Foundery Thanks for the videos and the quick reply. I am looking for a couple of PTZ NDI Cameras to Live Stream my daughters swim team's meets. Thanks again your videos really help us all.
I asked them specifically about that. They offer email support and, as they said, “remote help.” Several of the Amazon reviews mention good luck with support, but you never know. Can’t be worse from the SMRTAV support, which isn’t great. Probably not as good as your gonna get from a US based outfit like HoneyOptics, but that’s a different tier product at $2000. My emails with them were promptly returned, but they also wanted me to do a review :)
@@Foundery asking for a review is not professionnal at all imo ! yeah I would go for HoneyOptics for that price just for the support, having a piece of equipement for no support is not worth it .. thank you for the reply
@@mounirammi I hear ya. Support is worth a lot. If you go Honey Optics they are giving $125 off with my link ;) honeyoptics.com/foundery/ Coupon Code: FOUNDERYDE125OFF
Yellow video connector is for composite video
Thank you very much for sharing us your Cheap PTZ Camera | FoMaKo PTZ Review. Tashi Dhelek!
Nice video. We have the NDI version,sharp and clear image quality like PTZ optics. I set one up 6 months ago no problems.
Good to hear
I'm very interested in these cameras. Does the camera COME with NDI? Or do you have to license it after the fact? I only ask because I bought 3 Panasonic CX-350 cameras (specifically for their NDI/HX support), but you had to license the NDI for, like, $250 after the fact.
Also... did you buy a controller for the PTZ cam?
Thanks in advance for your response.
@@crooker2 They sell and NDI version that comes with it, yes. This exact version did not, so check the description on Amazon. The ones that say they come with NDI do come with it. Yes we use a separate controller. There are a couple videos on my channel about it :)
@@Foundery ok. Good to know. Would hate to buy a couple of these only to find I had to license the NDI after the fact. :)
@@crooker2 ndi ptz camera includes ndi protocol
Great review. I shared it with a United Methodist Church Conference to share with their churches.
Thank you for you detailed review. We went live with 2 of these at church today. I really like them. One thing I noticed is the main camera that is a close up of the Pastor went a little blurry then back into focus a few times during service. Wondering if anyone else has experienced this?
Sounds like a focus lock issue. Does this model have that feature?
@@jayesshague turn off auto focus if u have a preset position may help
I have two of these in my shopping cart for my church. Thanks for the review.
I really like your video. Very good. I like the camera too. HOwever, i would love if you compare the 20x vs, 30x Zoom. I have a 85ft x 40 church and would like to figure out which zoom is best
Well, I am very happy to reply you, I suggest you use ADKIDO PTZ Camera, its distance can reach 492ft, zoom in 30x and still maintain high-definition，And the price is only 619 USD
Awesome Review. Thank you !!
Great video, works well in low and less than ideal light and the price point was good.
Completely misses the SDI connection. huh
good video,I've been following you and subscribed
Great. Glad to hear! Feel free to reach out if you have something you'd like me to look at. www.foundery.dev/contact
Can vertical orientation? For tiktok o instagram live
I’m really pushing to get this for our church. By chance to you have a PTZOptic you could show the color chart up against this as well.
I don't have an official PTZOptics. The SMRTAV I test against is a clone of one of their cameras running the same firmware and everything so I bet it's close.
Really FoKaMoooo? There is written FoMaKo.
Awesome conversation below with AVKANS. During some research in the summer of 2022, I found a discrepancy and mentioned it on this TH-cam video. AVKANS saw my note and had a conversation with me below.
Summer 2022:
A key thing that I found in my research. The FoMaKo camera sends it's inputted audio down all three video out methods, SDI, HDMI, and NDI. A popular competitor to FoMaKo, AVKANS, only outputs audio down HDMI and NDI, no SDI audio down the line. This is crucial for anybody who wants to insert the mixed audio down the camera path under an SDI workflow.
For professional video system or live streaming, it is not a professional and good idea to get sound through SDI or HDMI.
You may found it wrong. AVKANS also support audio embeded on HDMI, SDI, and NDI output.
@@avkans Can you confirm that? An AVKANS Rep on Amazon states the opposite.
Q: Does input audio come out of SDI?
A: No, audio input come out of HDMI and NDI/IP.
By AVKANS on August 25, 2022
@@livestreamequipment581 Inserting audio into one of the camera's line in, embedding the audio at the camera, and then sending the final audio down path with the camera feed insurers audio/video synchronization under SDI, HDMI, or NDI workflows.
@@DannyBoehning Yes, i can confirm that, i am the product manager of AVKANS. BTW, thanks for your information, I will ask our sales to update the answer.
thanks for the Review, do you hear noise when it self right and left more noisy. ? any Idea and solutions.
My church uses this camera and it’s very good! The only thing I don’t like is that when you change the presets it does a little shuffle reset thing before it changes. I’m not sure if there’s a setting to make the transitions more smooth.
Thank you very much for your comments, ADKIDO ptz camera adopts the opinions of all users, and constantly improves the camera functions. Please pay attention to ADKIDO, which is a professional ptz camera
Heads up - this thing will NOT do 1080p @ 60fps over NDI. 1080i only. Read the specs carefully.
Can It is compitable with any android app for the ptz and call/store presets? Without using web interface
I tested this camera as well, PT speed is very slow, auto focus sometimes is not good. Of course I like the design. And ending with returned.
Anyway, your review is good.
They released an upgrading firmware on their website. You could try to download it, ptz speed and auto focus are optimized.
@@lisuphoenix8038 I returned.
Glad to see your message, ADKIDO PTZ Camera Pan Speed Range 1.7° ~ 100°/s, Tilt Speed Range 1.7° ~ 69.9°/s. Is this speed enough for your needs? We can meet any needs
Great image, excellent one to one customer support from FoMaKo
Thank you for your approval, ADKIDO is also one-on-one customer service support, welcome to know about ADKIDO PTZ CAMERA
Do you think it also does a good job outside?
I want to use the one with 30x zoom as our centerfield camera at our baseball games.
Great video 😊
I made a short coocking clip. I forgotten to piel apples. I let the camera roll and in post I did a thing about it. And cut unnecessary things out of it. As when i took the apples out of the bag and so on, Just a question... What the thing with unboxing things. Put all the things an an table and show the content of the box but ok I am swedish and like keep unnecessary thinks away... But you do a good presentation and is a great help for guys like me.
Literally the best comment I've ever received. Thank you!
Besides $200 what is the difference between NDI and w/o NDI equipped cameras. Is it only streaming of video over the ethernet cable or PTZ controls also. Can I control a non NDI PTZ camera over the network? I would like to buy the non NDI FoMaKo PTX camera and a network controller for the camera. Or maybe I can just use the remote to control it until I can afford a network based PTX controller. Does the FoMaKo remote let you setup presets?
Thanks for the time you have put into these videos.
There is no real difference. In the price you are paying the licence fee for the NDI standard that the camera maker has to pay. Sometimes they have to put a little more memory in the camera for NDI to work right, but that isn't required for anything else.
will the joy stick controler work for this camera?
Yes, I run four of these cameras through the controller.
Pretty decent review bro. Question though, is the power supply 110v or 220v? I am just not clear on this. Thanks much
110V
Hello I noticed that the zoom control is very slow which is good for our church. Can you tell me if the pan control is also slow when you are zoomed in? Our pastor moves around a lot and I need a camera with a very slow pan when zoomed in for a head to toe shot. Thank you I enjoy watching your channel and have taken your advice in the past.
Yes the zoom is slow. I believe there are actually two zooms in the remote, slow and fast. But I might be remembering that wrong. Both the default zoom and pan speed is selectable. So you can make it slow if you like.
How far does the remote works.
It's a standard TV remote, so figure similar performance. Will depend on your space and how many other IR signals are running about.
Can you plug an omni directional microphone into the camera to pull sound from the room into a live stream?
You can, yes. It is expecting Line level input so you might need a mic-preamp depending on your setup.
Our church purchased this camera and the controller with plans to do live stream. We found that the Fomako camera was not recognized by Vmix's camera input selector. Does anyone with Vmix experience have any comment on this?
How are you connecting the camera to the computer running vMix? One thing I’ve discovered with all these cameras is the USB interface is very unreliable. It’s much better to use an hdmi or SDI capture box if you need it to connect over usb.
@@Foundery I used vMix with NDI version last night for a conference and it was great.
Can the camera settings be configured remotely via the ethernet port? Such as ISO, white balance, shutter? Since it seems to be marketed as a live event robo camera, to me that would be an essential feature.
Some things yes, but none of these are as configurable as you'd probably like. They were originally for conference rooms and things like that. So they've been a little slow to catch up.
Do you have any idea how many watts POE they require? Curious how many could be loaded onto a 45W POE switch.
Works great on Poe+ which is max 30W so you should be fine. We run two cameras, a controller, and a couple other things off something similar.
Good job
Thanks for the great review,
I don't quite understand, Is there an option to live stream direct from this camera? without having any other equipment? any other streaming encoder is needed?
No, unfortunately none of these are setup to stream directly from the camera. So you'll need an ATEM Mini (amzn.to/3g7DjuR) or an HDMI capture box so you can use your computer (amzn.to/3E1Nj0I).
@@Foundery is there any camera that can support live stream direct?
@@haimasher Okay, so looking around I think I stand corrected. There is a way to do it with a PTZOptics and probably any of the clones of that camera: ptzoptics.com/live-stream-directly-to-facebook-and-youtube/. So check out the SMTAV PTZ that uses the same hardware but can be had much cheaper (amzn.to/3UW1wDd).
Thanks for this, I need to do a video about it :)
@@Foundery thank you very much for your quick and precise answers ❤️
@@haimasheryour phone…. Every camera needs an Encoder
Hey. Sorry I do have the NDI version now of this. Basically if you are powering through NDI you will require some sort of POE switch for this device? For some reason I had in mind that I could power through my ethernet on the laptop but I don't think this is the case.
This will be mounted about 15 ft in the air in a large hall, with 75 ft ethernet running back to main audio area via conduit. I will need to put in a little POE switch to run power to this device and then run single ethernet from the switch back to laptop? The laptop is running live stream on OBS via WiFi at this time as it is only about 15 ft away from router in closet next to audio table.
Thanks.
Yeah, your laptop won’t provide POE so youll need to introduce that with an injector.
Does any power come through NDI? I think that POE is our power supply - NDI is software.
Quick question: If I purchase 2 of these NDI cameras will I need to connect 2 hdmi cables to run to our Atem Mini Pro ISO or can I just run one to a single camera since they can talk to each other over ethernet and be able to change camera feed with the controller just using one HDMI channel in the Atem? The 3 PTZ cameras we use at one of the churches I play for doesn’t have NDI so this will be a little new to me. Even though I’m sure I can figure it out I just wanted to know in advance if that’s a possibility.
Unfortunately ATEM does not support NDI on the ATEM Mini Pro. So you'll need to run HDMI to each camera, so in your case both. If you only intend to use them with your ATEM you can actually skip the NDI model and save yourself a couple bucks.
You could run a single cable/NDI then extract HDMI from a dedicated NDI to HDMI decoder, taking a short cable feed into the Atem. It lets you do longer cable runs which standard HDMI cables can't support much beyond about 25-30ft. That said, I tend to use fibre optic HDMI runs of up to 100ft.
You can installed up side down?
Yes, most of these you can do that. This one autocorrects for it which is neat!
How smooth is the pan/tilt/zoom? As well as moving from one preset to another? Thanks
Manual moving the camera is pretty darn smooth. That said, moving between presets is pretty lousy on all the cameras I tested. We don't often move the camera besides a basic zoom or pan when it's live for that reason.
@@Foundery Thanks for the videos and the quick reply. I am looking for a couple of PTZ NDI Cameras to Live Stream my daughters swim team's meets. Thanks again your videos really help us all.
@@bkucharski Great optics - 30x would be a must. If you are streaming consider doing 720p. Amazon has a 2 camera bundle with a PTZ joystick.
What are the requirements to power the camera via POE - how many watts?
Any POE+ should work fine.
@@Foundery 12w at 12 v -
Is there a built in microphone
No. I have yet to see any ptz with a built on mic weirdly.
How about customer support ??
I asked them specifically about that. They offer email support and, as they said, “remote help.” Several of the Amazon reviews mention good luck with support, but you never know. Can’t be worse from the SMRTAV support, which isn’t great. Probably not as good as your gonna get from a US based outfit like HoneyOptics, but that’s a different tier product at $2000.
My emails with them were promptly returned, but they also wanted me to do a review :)
@@Foundery asking for a review is not professionnal at all imo ! yeah I would go for HoneyOptics for that price just for the support, having a piece of equipement for no support is not worth it .. thank you for the reply
@@mounirammi I hear ya. Support is worth a lot. If you go Honey Optics they are giving $125 off with my link ;)
honeyoptics.com/foundery/
Coupon Code: FOUNDERYDE125OFF
Dude, PLEASE stop putting the word CHEAP in you titles. I have yet to see you review an affordable camera!!!!!