Three of the six individual bike break-downs are posted! I'll also be posting up the a dyno/weight video coming at the end of the week. So hit subscribe, and I'm also giving away a few things a month through my Patreon if you want to check it out: www.patreon.com/ML512 Kawasaki Break Down: th-cam.com/video/LsnLitDAnCs/w-d-xo.html / Yamaha Break Down: th-cam.com/video/ru6gHzeyTL0/w-d-xo.html / Suzuki Break Down: th-cam.com/video/OaKhdiCIAxw/w-d-xo.html Also, if you have questions about the results, throw them in here! I'll be answering everything I can.
Thanks so much for inviting me out to be a test rider! One of the coolest experiences put on by one of the best people in the moto community. Keep doing you, Michael. Big things in the future!
honestly do u think it’s s independent?? It never is. Dont be naive. These are all very similar bikes. For the common rider its the same. Buy the cheapest or the best deal you get. Great video though
I think he meant don't be naive to the fact the dude is wearing a chap moto shirt and doing parts of the review on the showroom floor, presumably at chapparel.
Hell yeah! Yamaha all the way! They started it with the worlds first watercooled motocross bike. Yamaha yz125h 1981. Then also started the worlds first 4 stroke (real) motocross bike. Yamaha yz400f 1998. Huge respect!
@@markmagness3693 I love it! I had a kx450 2015. Now I got a 19 yz450. power and suspension is night and day difference. Especially coming from an airfork
Mark Magness I had Kawasaki Honda and Yamaha. Honda is ridiculous on going through valves not just the one I had but other ppl I know. Kawasaki went longer and a lot of ppl that had Yamaha the motors just keep going and going. Couple of friends no lie had over a hundred hours no valve jobs.. I have a 2016 yz450 the motor is amazing you can go a gear up and it pulls no problem. Suspension is amazing plus my bike pulls my friends 2019 Kawasaki 450. One rode mine now he wants a Yamaha. Also with the map changes you can do with the Yamaha saves you on buying different size sprockets and no need for aftermarket exhaust. I was an A rider a few years back when racing now I like to just hit the track and have fun.
Really well put together video and I love your stance on how to decide what the best bike is for the average rider. Is there a chance you will be doing a 250f shootout as well this year?
My man Joe Carlino and Casey Davis know how to run those cameras and Joe is insane in the editing department...especially with the really small time frames I give him to work with hahaha!
Fantastic idea! I grew up with MXA and Dirt Bike magazine shootouts....always kind of buying into (sometimes literally!) their validity. Great to see something done at this level of objectivity and integrity. A long time coming, especially considering the increased expense of MX bikes.
We can't thank you enough Michael, buying these bikes and taking the days to test. This has to be one of the realest test videos ive watched this is sick.
Hand salute to all of yo guys for doing this shoot out! Looks like I will be continuing to ride blue. It was awesome that you had Jeff Walker come out and help you throw it down. Jeff's chin helmet mount footage is the best!
Thanks a ton for your hard work, effort, and expense for this unbiased review! I haven't ridden in a long time but I've always been a Honda and Yamaha fan. I used to ride a 1993 Honda CR500 at the sand dunes and it was a blast. I will save my pennies to buy this new Yamaha so I can ride with my kids (also, thanks for the family-friendly content with no bad language - my family loves watching too). You're a class act man, keep it up!
Straight up No additives!! Love it ML, you.... like always give a super honest appraisal without bias towards the popular colour choice but we love that even if that means our favorite flavor didn't do so well. Can't wait for the extra detail. Keep it going ML, big thumbs up!
Thank you for the effort in this shootout! Just got a new 2020 FC 350 (been my go-to machine for awhile), but really dig your honesty and feedback on these. 🤘
Finally a shootout worth reading (watching). it's gotten to where these magazines, especially MXA, are so blah blah KTM state of art blah blah blah. makes me wonder how much KTM is paying them greasing their pockets. Good to see a individual do their own private shootout for a unbiased outcome. well done and you gained a new subscriber. keep up the good work.
This is sick! Glad to see someone who bought the bikes and isn’t heavily sponsored and being “bought” out by KTM and ranking it higher then it should be. I’ll be sure to get my info from you. I hate seeing the big magazine shoot outs say stuff that doesn’t even make sense in some of the shootouts. Clear bias in a lot of them. I know Suzuki doesn’t have a lot of good mechanical qualities and changes but you HAVE TO GIVE EM PROPS because I think they are the sickest looking bikes out there although I’ve been Yamaha guy since 2010.
I keep thinking this guy looks and sounds like Vilopoto. Excellent review and production! That's a PRO level shootout that doesn't have a bunch of nonsense filler and gets to the points consumers need to know.
Hey, still here through the end. I want to be knowledgeable and tolerant with Japanese bike riders. :) I wish I was sophisticated enough in my riding to be able to notice the nuances of the different bikes. Fascinating. Before KTMs, I only raced Yamaha, so there is a little bit of blue left in my blood.
This is the best shootout I have seen since i started riding which would be 2013. I'm a huge Honda guy and I respect that the Honda got beat by the Yamaha unfortunately. Also want to say that I feel like you where restricted at vital with your creativity, not knocking them because I still watch them too but this was much much better props to your whole crew. Hope to see a 250 shootout even though it's crazy expensive
Or is the ktm almost as bad as the suzuki? Only joking, I would look into these shootouts like what bike wins or loses more as a guide to helping you choose based on the pros and cons, none of us watching this can even nearly get the best out of these bikes, so it's all about what's most Comfortable for you.
The guys where asked to give each bike a number of which they wanted 1-6 and the KTM got low scores from all riders. Doesn’t mean the zuk is close to the KTM in performance, just that that it got bad scored in the want department like the zuk.
The rider will always make the difference but each rider comes with different technique, skills, etc.,. And in the end, there will be a bike on which you will be faster, so it’s not just about color...
Should do a 125 shootout and have the latest year model kx125 and Rm125 to show if they can still compete stock with the new 125's would be a cool concept
I love this shootout compared to other ones! I ride a KTM but its still good to see that it's all not "oooohhh the KTM was the best for 10 years in a row anonymously" XD
Mike, always following you. I think it is the best comparison so far that I have seen on the 450's. Super well done!!! I hope you continue doing such a great job!! Dan xx
Compared to everyone’s shootouts last year this year was all over the place but i like it!! This in my opinion seems like the most legit shootout ive seen, well done Also at the end of the day every bike is good in its own way it just depends on who you are.
Wow! no... really WOW! I feel like I just graduated from a 450 101 college course. Such nitty gritty details with backstories for each bike too... GREAT work!
Fantastic, I love that you got straight to the point and I know a ton of other people do too. So cool buying all those bikes that's commitment and dedication👍. The methods you used were the best I've seen in any shootout. Yamaha it is 😁 seriously, I'm a Yamaha guy because I think the quality of their bikes are probably the best and they seem to hold up better than the other bikes. Thanks
Short and sweet !! I'm a Yamaha fan so I'm excited to hear Yamaha takes it . I had a 2007 yz450f and remember all the reviews and test pilots saying it pushes some corners then takes lots of small corrections in some corners . Amazing how much has changed since then .
I miss the old motocross action dirtbike shoot outs from the 90s. Always was the best magazine shootout. All the bikes of the big 4 were all pretty much close
It's really great to have your perspective......much different that the "me-too" magazine shootouts.....good video and gives a guy something to think about.....I subscribed.
My favorite part of the old shootouts was seeing each riders (different skill levels) ranking and lap times in a matrix. I recommend compiling that if you have it!! Great vid
Great video content you did on this shootout. It was very clear and simply to really understand the overall positive and negatives you spoke about each bike. I am glad I went with the new Yamaha on Friday!
Michael - appreciate all your hard work in these tests...very useful and informative. Still a little confusing at times when one magazine can rank one motorcycle very high (ex: Honda) and another magazine say it's a dog. I am like every other consumer out there and read multiple reviews prior to purchasing. I believe at the end of the day it's really hard to buy a bad bike...and all of them are capable of winning. It's almost like picking the color you like the best. Again, appreciate all you do, and really enjoy watching.
The last bike of this caliber I owned was in 1981. I purchased a brand new YZ465H off the showroom floor. I owned it one week and Installed a battery powered headlamp, tail lamp and the brake light was actuated by a small push button switch on the handle bars. I don’t remember how I rigged a horn or even if it was required? I went to the Michigan Secretary of State and picked up a form and filled it out. Then took the bike to MSP post 11 on Canal rd. and had it “inspected” the trooper could care less the the tires were full off road and said right on them not intended for highway use. Things were different back then. Once that was done then back to the SOS I went with paperwork and insurance in hand. Obtained a title and license plate. At the time I worked for Oldsmobile in Lansing and rode that loud ass MX bike back and forth to work all summer long. It being a two stroke it had a crazy powerband..... my question to those who ride these new four stroke 450s is how it compares to the bike I had back then in regards to power/torque etc. I mean does the power come on like a two stroke or is it more of a broad band. I’m 60 yrs young and and contemplating a 450 four stroke or a 250 two stroke.
i got a 2018 honda 450r I believe Vital said it was the best Bike in 2018 and it is an amazing machine.. Rode 2 strokes my whole life until now and the thing is a beast
Great work Michael and congrats on venturing out on your own. Loved your shoot outs on Vital. How about you put together a video on how to properly lower a bike? No one has really dived into how to do this in detail and the pros and cons of lowering links vs more sag vs cutting the sub frame vs shortening the suspension vs factory OEM shorter seats. You get my drift.
Which Bike, can I start in 3rd gear and am “Guaranteed”a holeshot? I can deal with the rest, with my lightning reflexes, however a bike length head start helps.
The real winner on this shoot out is anyone who buys any of these bikes. Because you now own a 450cc dirt bike. No one can take that win away from you.
Thank you so much for your review/shootout. I always value your opinion more than the other outlets. Doing it by yourself this must be very rewarding, but bring it’s own challenges and responsibilities and of course outlay.
Just purchased a 2020 YZ450F TODAY! Thanks to you i was able to figure this is the bike im dropping my hard earned cash on. Thanks again Michael You do an excellent job on reviews and the thought process on buying, riding and extracting the most from MX. #topsnappodcast approves this video
Watchin walkers gopro footage i knew ole red and blue would pull it out this year buuut i am completelt biased hahaha anyways LOOOOOVE this shootout and the way ur doing it...its changin the game and so much better for consumers who will ride straight off of showroom floor. I kno its cut the pockets but its def worth it puttin out such an amazing shootout. Cant wait to see the rest of the more in depth videos, super pumped haha. Great content amazing concept and for sure the best way a shootout can be done. Seriously you stepped up the bar this year!!!
Revo lution Honda will end up needing valves shimmed once or twice if it’s like their earlier motors been there done it. Kawasaki last a little longer and Yamaha just seem to go and go way longer.
Nice review. You think Kawi would have learned something for 2020. I grabbed the 2019 Kawi earlier this year. Stock front end blew right through the stroke to the bottom (Novice Rider - I weigh 190 lbs). Suspension sent off to Graeme Brough for a re-valve). Addressed the issue. Comfy through the chop, can handle over-clears and hard hits on the bigger stuff. Front end is predictable, no surprises. Also, the attachment point for the muffler on the sub-frame is stupidly weak. I noticed something was wrong when my FMF 4.1 Slip-on was laying on the side of the track after a big jump... Kawi would not address it stating I was not using an OEM part. I see. Anyway, I had it welded up and on my way. Luv the Bike.
Dude you deserve more subs! Such an entertaining and informative vid, even though I’m not even on the market for a new bike. Keep up the great content 🤟🏻
I'm curious how do you separate chassis from suspension when judging "feel"? Since they both affect each other so much what's your baseline? Obviously you're not swapping chassis with a base suspension or vice versa. I'm honestly curious for my own know how when trying to correct the tuning my own bike. Thx for the informative video, hopefully Chapp will take atleast 3 bikes back....
I've got another question, suggestion (again, coming from a KTM/Husky owner): could you do a test with a cleaned out muffler? I know that has helped us with the slow rev a bit (probably more noticeable than the vented side plates). It's a tedious process, but we did some comparisons, and for the 19/20 models, it is almost as good as my FMF slip-on once the stock can is cleared of the welded insert/stock spark arrestor. Just curious - digging your content. Laughing a bit at the Vital thread about this video, as well! Keep up the good work
Great shootout! Can't go wrong with any of these bikes, IMO, outside of the Suzuki. Honda and Yamaha have quality/reliability on their side as well so stick with red or blue and you'll be fine.
I love this video! I bleed green as well but now I can't dig on Yami anymore about the light front end feel. I love there tech to... wish everyone would build an app to tune their bikes
Good video, and nice project. You guys should invite weekend warriors to try and give scores on this bikes too. It’s hard to compare our riding style, and what we really need when seeing these guys like JW and others riding so fast.
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Three of the six individual bike break-downs are posted! I'll also be posting up the a dyno/weight video coming at the end of the week. So hit subscribe, and I'm also giving away a few things a month through my Patreon if you want to check it out: www.patreon.com/ML512
Kawasaki Break Down: th-cam.com/video/LsnLitDAnCs/w-d-xo.html / Yamaha Break Down: th-cam.com/video/ru6gHzeyTL0/w-d-xo.html / Suzuki Break Down: th-cam.com/video/OaKhdiCIAxw/w-d-xo.html
Also, if you have questions about the results, throw them in here! I'll be answering everything I can.
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Thanks so much for inviting me out to be a test rider! One of the coolest experiences put on by one of the best people in the moto community. Keep doing you, Michael. Big things in the future!
Thanks for spending your weekend off from racing dealing with my insanity! Lizzy and I miss having you around already.
Jeff Walker aye Jeff why u out here wearing fox gear I thought u were Alpinestars 🤭
Chxlled Fox is the sponsor of my 450 Shootout so it was a one time thing to swap Jeff for this shoot. He’ll be back in A-Stars here on out.
Michael Lindsay oh fair enough. U gotta get some aussies to do this bro I’ll put my hand up and ride the 450s hehe
What you think of the fox gear
Incredible in depth shootout by ML. The detail provided is amazing!
Its about time someone did this, independently,we should all support you. Thanks for having the decency to give a consumer a better view.
honestly do u think it’s s independent?? It never is. Dont be naive. These are all very similar bikes. For the common rider its the same. Buy the cheapest or the best deal you get. Great video though
@@Ivanoskyao describe your view on independent?
I think he meant don't be naive to the fact the dude is wearing a chap moto shirt and doing parts of the review on the showroom floor, presumably at chapparel.
YAMAHA FANS !! Thumps it Up!! Back to Old Days Yamaha vs Honda Time :D
I can only dream of a yamaha😔
samu von bach right
Yamaha will never win shit as long as you live bro,,,so forget about winning
Hell yeah! Yamaha all the way!
They started it with the worlds first watercooled motocross bike. Yamaha yz125h 1981. Then also started the worlds first 4 stroke (real) motocross bike. Yamaha yz400f 1998.
Huge respect!
Suck it honda
Wow! Not what I expected, I am glad to hear another point of view, looks like we are back to the old Honda vs Yamaha days😃👍🤘
Jonas Conner so... not much has change? Lol
Thanks for purchasing those bikes and giving awesome reviews! I just got a yami
What do you think? Got a 13 kx450f atm thinking of upgrading to 2019/2020 Yami not sure 250 of 450 though
@@markmagness3693 I love it! I had a kx450 2015. Now I got a 19 yz450. power and suspension is night and day difference. Especially coming from an airfork
Mark Magness I had Kawasaki Honda and Yamaha. Honda is ridiculous on going through valves not just the one I had but other ppl I know. Kawasaki went longer and a lot of ppl that had Yamaha the motors just keep going and going. Couple of friends no lie had over a hundred hours no valve jobs.. I have a 2016 yz450 the motor is amazing you can go a gear up and it pulls no problem. Suspension is amazing plus my bike pulls my friends 2019 Kawasaki 450. One rode mine now he wants a Yamaha. Also with the map changes you can do with the Yamaha saves you on buying different size sprockets and no need for aftermarket exhaust. I was an A rider a few years back when racing now I like to just hit the track and have fun.
Yamaha Wins once again
I'd like to know what each bike weighs, otherwise great review!
Really well put together video and I love your stance on how to decide what the best bike is for the average rider. Is there a chance you will be doing a 250f shootout as well this year?
Trying to, as soon as my broke ass recovers some money ha!
Incredible production quality. Really hope these keep coming. Great info 👍
My man Joe Carlino and Casey Davis know how to run those cameras and Joe is insane in the editing department...especially with the really small time frames I give him to work with hahaha!
@@MichaelLindsay Well it's noticeable. awesome production guys
Fantastic idea! I grew up with MXA and Dirt Bike magazine shootouts....always kind of buying into (sometimes literally!) their validity. Great to see something done at this level of objectivity and integrity. A long time coming, especially considering the increased expense of MX bikes.
The future is NOW!
Dude this was a great shootout. Very informative. To me a bike is a bike I'll own whatever I can get for a good deal. Awesome video man!!!
We can't thank you enough Michael, buying these bikes and taking the days to test. This has to be one of the realest test videos ive watched this is sick.
I’m about to buy a 2020 bike and I bleed red so I’m very glad with the results we are getting from Honda lately
Hand salute to all of yo guys for doing this shoot out! Looks like I will be continuing to ride blue. It was awesome that you had Jeff Walker come out and help you throw it down. Jeff's chin helmet mount footage is the best!
Jim Cameron the Walker view!
@@MichaelLindsay Honda Is More Better Than Yamaha.
I Need Shootout 250. Big Hug From Açores-Terceira
Thanks a ton for your hard work, effort, and expense for this unbiased review! I haven't ridden in a long time but I've always been a Honda and Yamaha fan. I used to ride a 1993 Honda CR500 at the sand dunes and it was a blast. I will save my pennies to buy this new Yamaha so I can ride with my kids (also, thanks for the family-friendly content with no bad language - my family loves watching too). You're a class act man, keep it up!
Usually when other channels do shootouts they get boring this was very enjoyable
Straight up No additives!! Love it ML, you.... like always give a super honest appraisal without bias towards the popular colour choice but we love that even if that means our favorite flavor didn't do so well. Can't wait for the extra detail.
Keep it going ML, big thumbs up!
Thank you for the effort in this shootout! Just got a new 2020 FC 350 (been my go-to machine for awhile), but really dig your honesty and feedback on these. 🤘
TripleT219 how is the bike?
TripleT219 thank you for your feedback 👍🏼
TripleT219 That's awesome 👍
Thanks for inviting me to test ride. See you soon 🏍️🏍️🏍️🛵🛵
Finally a shootout worth reading (watching). it's gotten to where these magazines, especially MXA, are so blah blah KTM state of art blah blah blah. makes me wonder how much KTM is paying them greasing their pockets. Good to see a individual do their own private shootout for a unbiased outcome. well done and you gained a new subscriber. keep up the good work.
ML, one of the best non bias shootouts ever done! Hats off to how you went about it.
This is sick! Glad to see someone who bought the bikes and isn’t heavily sponsored and being “bought” out by KTM and ranking it higher then it should be. I’ll be sure to get my info from you. I hate seeing the big magazine shoot outs say stuff that doesn’t even make sense in some of the shootouts. Clear bias in a lot of them. I know Suzuki doesn’t have a lot of good mechanical qualities and changes but you HAVE TO GIVE EM PROPS because I think they are the sickest looking bikes out there although I’ve been Yamaha guy since 2010.
The Suzuki looks amazing, period.
I keep thinking this guy looks and sounds like Vilopoto. Excellent review and production! That's a PRO level shootout that doesn't have a bunch of nonsense filler and gets to the points consumers need to know.
All ktm owners left the video at the start 😂
WHY ?
mixalis because there bike came second last
I've got a KTM and a Yamaha, I'm still happy hHa
Hey, still here through the end. I want to be knowledgeable and tolerant with Japanese bike riders. :) I wish I was sophisticated enough in my riding to be able to notice the nuances of the different bikes. Fascinating. Before KTMs, I only raced Yamaha, so there is a little bit of blue left in my blood.
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you've raised the bar on motox shootouts!!... looking forward to the long term reviews, keep up the top work!!
What a badass shootout. Good on you for doing it like this.
Awesome content, Non-Biased and very informative! Thanks Michael !
This is the best shootout I have seen since i started riding which would be 2013. I'm a huge Honda guy and I respect that the Honda got beat by the Yamaha unfortunately. Also want to say that I feel like you where restricted at vital with your creativity, not knocking them because I still watch them too but this was much much better props to your whole crew. Hope to see a 250 shootout even though it's crazy expensive
Okay, so Suzuki is almost as good as KTM. I’ll take it.
Suzuki is not bad.
It just doesn't excel anywhere to be higher in the shootout.
If you like Suzuki go for it
A high compression piston and a lowering link would have the suzuki going for the W
@@stevestiffler9120 get real.
Or is the ktm almost as bad as the suzuki? Only joking, I would look into these shootouts like what bike wins or loses more as a guide to helping you choose based on the pros and cons, none of us watching this can even nearly get the best out of these bikes, so it's all about what's most Comfortable for you.
The guys where asked to give each bike a number of which they wanted 1-6 and the KTM got low scores from all riders. Doesn’t mean the zuk is close to the KTM in performance, just that that it got bad scored in the want department like the zuk.
Excellent shootout!!! Right to the point. There is no perfect bike that's for every type of rider.
Dudes and Dude Ets its not the bike but the rider ....there all great bikes so go with your favorite color and go ride...
Thank you!!!
The rider will always make the difference but each rider comes with different technique, skills, etc.,. And in the end, there will be a bike on which you will be faster, so it’s not just about color...
Should do a 125 shootout and have the latest year model kx125 and Rm125 to show if they can still compete stock with the new 125's would be a cool concept
Well done, great shootout, great format. Looking forward to further content, and the 250's. Cheers
I love this shootout compared to other ones! I ride a KTM but its still good to see that it's all not
"oooohhh the KTM was the best for 10 years in a row anonymously" XD
Mike, always following you. I think it is the best comparison so far that I have seen on the 450's. Super well done!!!
I hope you continue doing such a great job!!
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Michael, you killed it my friend!!! Keep up the great work, stay true to you cause the results are outstanding.
I got on to your stuff Michael from Jeff walkers channel how refreshing a honest opinion from someone that really knows there stuff. 100% subbed!
Thank you! I try, I try.
Compared to everyone’s shootouts last year this year was all over the place but i like it!! This in my opinion seems like the most legit shootout ive seen, well done
Also at the end of the day every bike is good in its own way it just depends on who you are.
Wow! no... really WOW! I feel like I just graduated from a 450 101 college course. Such nitty gritty details with backstories for each bike too... GREAT work!
Michael your a legend always so detailed with all your bike test reviews. You set the standard for all to follow excellent work.
Fantastic, I love that you got straight to the point and I know a ton of other people do too. So cool buying all those bikes that's commitment and dedication👍. The methods you used were the best I've seen in any shootout. Yamaha it is 😁 seriously, I'm a Yamaha guy because I think the quality of their bikes are probably the best and they seem to hold up better than the other bikes. Thanks
GREAT shootout Michael. Exceptional production quality as always.
This is a great shootout video. The format and depth of information is just right. Dont change anything for future shootout vids
Short and sweet !! I'm a Yamaha fan so I'm excited to hear Yamaha takes it . I had a 2007 yz450f and remember all the reviews and test pilots saying it pushes some corners then takes lots of small corrections in some corners . Amazing how much has changed since then .
Thanks for keeping this informative, but to the point! Look forward to the individual breakdowns!
I’ve been waiting for your shootout! Was stuck between two bikes for 2020 and the details you provided were phenomenal. Thank you!
Zach Newberry nice man, what two are you looking at?
@@MichaelLindsay kawi or Yamaha!
This is the best review I've ever seen. Interesting and entertaining. Moreover, I have KX450, and I totally agree with your opinion.
I miss the old motocross action dirtbike shoot outs from the 90s. Always was the best magazine shootout. All the bikes of the big 4 were all pretty much close
The quality of this video is absolutely insane. How do you not have a million subs
A little dolfin find me a few more! Bring your dolphin friends 😂
@@MichaelLindsay 😂😂😂😂 I'm not a real dolphin! And seriously the camera angles and quality is insane and did you really drop like 60k$ on bikes?
That was one of the best reviews I've ever seen or heard. He really knows his stuff about bikes.
Just watched a few videos from you and you deserve way more subscribers
TH-cam recommended this after I had been watching MotoGP. So I clicked. Turns out Honda is excellent at multiple bike categories 😎
It's really great to have your perspective......much different that the "me-too" magazine shootouts.....good video and gives a guy something to think about.....I subscribed.
Thanks for your support!
My favorite part of the old shootouts was seeing each riders (different skill levels) ranking and lap times in a matrix. I recommend compiling that if you have it!! Great vid
Great video content you did on this shootout. It was very clear and simply to really understand the overall positive and negatives you spoke about each bike. I am glad I went with the new Yamaha on Friday!
Michael - appreciate all your hard work in these tests...very useful and informative. Still a little confusing at times when one magazine can rank one motorcycle very high (ex: Honda) and another magazine say it's a dog. I am like every other consumer out there and read multiple reviews prior to purchasing. I believe at the end of the day it's really hard to buy a bad bike...and all of them are capable of winning. It's almost like picking the color you like the best. Again, appreciate all you do, and really enjoy watching.
What a great review!. One of the best i have ever seen. Kudoos. Excellent job!!🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
The last bike of this caliber I owned was in 1981. I purchased a brand new YZ465H off the showroom floor. I owned it one week and Installed a battery powered headlamp, tail lamp and the brake light was actuated by a small push button switch on the handle bars. I don’t remember how I rigged a horn or even if it was required? I went to the Michigan Secretary of State and picked up a form and filled it out. Then took the bike to MSP post 11 on Canal rd. and had it “inspected” the trooper could care less the the tires were full off road and said right on them not intended for highway use. Things were different back then. Once that was done then back to the SOS I went with paperwork and insurance in hand. Obtained a title and license plate. At the time I worked for Oldsmobile in Lansing and rode that loud ass MX bike back and forth to work all summer long. It being a two stroke it had a crazy powerband..... my question to those who ride these new four stroke 450s is how it compares to the bike I had back then in regards to power/torque etc. I mean does the power come on like a two stroke or is it more of a broad band. I’m 60 yrs young and and contemplating a 450 four stroke or a 250 two stroke.
For the money to power ratio, get a 250 two stroke. These bikes are great, but 3k more expensive, and a lot more maintenance which also costs more.
Cool to see brands move up and down over the years
Can’t wait for the 250 shootout 🤟🏼
i got a 2018 honda 450r I believe Vital said it was the best Bike in 2018 and it is an amazing machine.. Rode 2 strokes my whole life until now and the thing is a beast
Very impressive shootout for first one. the quality of your shootout have nothing to envy from the big magazines .
Bravo Mike. 👏👏👏👍👍👍
I've done nine of them before, but for a media outlet, just the first one on my own brand. Thanks!
Thanks Michael, great content and really what i wanted to hear.
A true unbiased review.. refreshing!
I am glad that the Yami got in first. I really like Yamis
that crf just looks so good
Great work Michael and congrats on venturing out on your own. Loved your shoot outs on Vital. How about you put together a video on how to properly lower a bike? No one has really dived into how to do this in detail and the pros and cons of lowering links vs more sag vs cutting the sub frame vs shortening the suspension vs factory OEM shorter seats. You get my drift.
Great review. Great to see KTM at the back of the list. How much you guys want to bet MXA will put the KTM at 1
This is awesome Michael!. Will hit you up at one of the races to find out what motivated you to go out on your own. Keep em coming.
Which Bike, can I start in 3rd gear and am “Guaranteed”a holeshot? I can deal with the rest, with my lightning reflexes, however a bike length head start helps.
The real winner on this shoot out is anyone who buys any of these bikes. Because you now own a 450cc dirt bike. No one can take that win away from you.
Great video Michael, the best shootout I've watched so far!
Thank you so much for your review/shootout. I always value your opinion more than the other outlets. Doing it by yourself this must be very rewarding, but bring it’s own challenges and responsibilities and of course outlay.
Nice to see a completely independent review. Good stuff
Mucho gracias!
Just purchased a 2020 YZ450F TODAY! Thanks to you i was able to figure this is the bike im dropping my hard earned cash on. Thanks again Michael You do an excellent job on reviews and the thought process on buying, riding and extracting the most from MX. #topsnappodcast approves this video
Where is my Honda gang
ITSLukexx 1
Kawi gang
In second place.....
Hondas will always be number 1 in my book, for 450cc thumpers at least....
Still riding my 02 CR250R...
Raivkka still riding my 01 cr250
Hey ML..!
Make a video with the best setting for each 2020 bike.
Watchin walkers gopro footage i knew ole red and blue would pull it out this year buuut i am completelt biased hahaha anyways LOOOOOVE this shootout and the way ur doing it...its changin the game and so much better for consumers who will ride straight off of showroom floor. I kno its cut the pockets but its def worth it puttin out such an amazing shootout. Cant wait to see the rest of the more in depth videos, super pumped haha. Great content amazing concept and for sure the best way a shootout can be done. Seriously you stepped up the bar this year!!!
Thanks so much for your support! Also, #WalkerGang
@@MichaelLindsay #walkergang ALL DAY!!!!
Best 450 Review of the year.
Not bad. Should do a reliability video now at 50 hours for all the bikes . See what needed replaced in that time and what didn't.
Revo lution Honda will end up needing valves shimmed once or twice if it’s like their earlier motors been there done it. Kawasaki last a little longer and Yamaha just seem to go and go way longer.
@@mxr7586 and KTM would be a scrap pile ^^
Do you think the honda or yamaha would make the better supermoto? Due to the hondas stiffer frame im assumming it would be the better choice
I literally just bought a 2020 sxf450 and extremely happy with it. I’d say it deserves a 1st
Miguel Ramos as I say in all these, no bike in the batch is a bad buy, and everyone one of these bikes will find happy riders.
Michael Lindsay I agree man I’m just a Ktm guy
Nice review. You think Kawi would have learned something for 2020. I grabbed the 2019 Kawi earlier this year. Stock front end blew right through the stroke to the bottom (Novice Rider - I weigh 190 lbs). Suspension sent off to Graeme Brough for a re-valve). Addressed the issue. Comfy through the chop, can handle over-clears and hard hits on the bigger stuff. Front end is predictable, no surprises. Also, the attachment point for the muffler on the sub-frame is stupidly weak. I noticed something was wrong when my FMF 4.1 Slip-on was laying on the side of the track after a big jump... Kawi would not address it stating I was not using an OEM part. I see. Anyway, I had it welded up and on my way. Luv the Bike.
Getting the new 2020 CRF 450R so this video helps.
Dude you deserve more subs! Such an entertaining and informative vid, even though I’m not even on the market for a new bike. Keep up the great content 🤟🏻
Why am I even watching this, I just want an old two stroke lol
Great reviews tho
Mucho gracias! Hope you keep tuning in!
I hear yah picked a 94 RM 80
Little thing is stupid fast
This channel should have more subs great effort great job on the review 👍👍👍👍👍💨💨💨💨💨💨
I agree! Ha
@@MichaelLindsay ....a few more videos, and your channel is going to fly. Well done Mike 👊💯🔥
Such a dope video dude, you’re killing it on TH-cam. I always look forward to your videos!
This is such a good video, dang dude this is 10x better then the big shootouts
I'm curious how do you separate chassis from suspension when judging "feel"? Since they both affect each other so much what's your baseline? Obviously you're not swapping chassis with a base suspension or vice versa. I'm honestly curious for my own know how when trying to correct the tuning my own bike. Thx for the informative video, hopefully Chapp will take atleast 3 bikes back....
This is awesome. Can you make a video like this but with ATVs?
Pretty surprised by the results 😲 great job ML
I've got another question, suggestion (again, coming from a KTM/Husky owner): could you do a test with a cleaned out muffler? I know that has helped us with the slow rev a bit (probably more noticeable than the vented side plates). It's a tedious process, but we did some comparisons, and for the 19/20 models, it is almost as good as my FMF slip-on once the stock can is cleared of the welded insert/stock spark arrestor. Just curious - digging your content. Laughing a bit at the Vital thread about this video, as well! Keep up the good work
Great shootout!
Can't go wrong with any of these bikes, IMO, outside of the Suzuki.
Honda and Yamaha have quality/reliability on their side as well so stick with red or blue and you'll be fine.
Awesome video I've been looking into 450's this helped, thanks👍
I love this video! I bleed green as well but now I can't dig on Yami anymore about the light front end feel. I love there tech to... wish everyone would build an app to tune their bikes
Good video, and nice project. You guys should invite weekend warriors to try and give scores on this bikes too. It’s hard to compare our riding style, and what we really need when seeing these guys like JW and others riding so fast.
I had two vet guys kick in results as well, the video is for show of course, so you see rippers. Each shot of J-Walk is too good not to use, ha!
red white and blue on the podium baby
Thank you for this!! Much needed in the market for one!!
Still team green 🙏 prefer kawis power and chassis for just ripping through dirt
Team green for life