@@rendermanpro oh those monster lenses! But that may take a while... the 16-35 f/4 and 70-200 2.8 should be coming quite soon according to the roadmap!
Hi there, I am considering buying this lens but I am confused if I should get the Sigma or the native mount which is this one. Especially when there is such a big price difference. Do you have any experience with Sigma 24-70 f2.8 L mount?
Hi there, yes I have reviewed the sigma but the E mount version so didn't do a direct comparison to see which is better.. You can check out my review here... The optical quality is same as L mount version th-cam.com/video/xKFDrp_XryM/w-d-xo.html
Excellent review. Your reviews and my experience with testing the S series cameras and renting other brands convinced me to place an order for the S1R and the 24-70. The S1H will round out my kit later. As far as weight is concerned, I come from that generation that took heavy view cameras, medium format Hasselblad, lenses and heavy tripod across landscapes because of the value we placed on the highest image quality in the final print. And yet these cameras were a joy to use relative to our expectations. The LUMIX series falls into that category for me and with an ergonomics and lens quality that easily surpass the best at that time. In the end, the right tool for the job. It’s so easy to take what’s good for granted.
Hi Frederic, thank you for watching! Yes I really love the ergonomics of the S series cameras. They really nailed it in terms of the body shape, controls ..etc . (ok i don't like the power switch on the S1, S1R.. but that's really the only major thing i would complain) Enjoy your S1R! And thanks again for watching the video
Hey @RIchard Wong in your experiences over time would the weight of the 24-70 mounted on the smaller s5 potentially warp the lens mount on the s5 since it would make it so front heavy? if so have you found any solution to support its weight? (very uncommon question I know, but it is super concerning how heavy this 24-70 is. it is like having a bowling ball mounted to the camera haha)
when you say "wrap the lens mount" do you mean damaging the lens mount? If so i think the mount should be strong enough for a 24-70 2.8. It's heavy but not THAT heavy. Usually the lenses that are really heavy would have it's own tripod mount for you to install on tripod/monopod. But as always, it's always a good idea to hold the camera with a hand on the lens if it's anything bigger than a 70-200 2.8. Doesn't matter what mount/system :)
@@TheRealRichardWong Hey Richard! yes, i use the word "warp" as a nicer way to say bend or damage. What you said is really good rule of thumb and I will keep in mind with bigger lens. Also, do you happen to have a video on your channel that I may have overlook that shows how to support a lens with your opposite hand to take a steady photo or video? I believe other youtube channels may have this content but I rather support and watch your channel instead. Looking forward to all your future content
Hold fire Mr Robertson!! I don't want anybody get hurt!! But haha don't worry I don't really mind anyway and it actually helps my videos rate better on TH-cam so don't kill him just yet please :p
I've bought the 24-70mm and I am really blown away by the quality! It became my main workhorse and it delivers great images. I have one annoying issue though: when I focus manually, I can see "stepping". The focus area jumps in little steps and that does not look too good. It's more noticeable whit close ups. When I use the area focusing by taping on the screen however, the focus transition is smooth. Do I miss a setting in the menu to get smooth manual focusing?
@patrickhuynh393 Yeah, I concur! We have it on our S1H, so it is balanced. It's really a beast. One trick I found out: keep the focus clutch on autofocus and switch to "manual focus" on the camera body. This way, there is less "stepping" when focusing.
Any chance you will be getting a Sigma 24-70 DG DN L mount for comparison? How does this 24-70 compare to other 24-70s from Canon, Nikon etc to you? Thanks
It's definitely possibile to compare to the sigma and Panasonic. I just need to find some time to do the comparison so if I have time I will definitely want to do that comparison but don't hold your breath as I can't promise if I will 100% do it and when
Excellent review. I have ordered my 24-70, just waiting for stock to arrive to Australia. I have been using the Lumix S 50mm and 24-105mm and really love the picture and colour quality for video
Hey Steve, I feel the 24-70 has better IQ than the 24-105. Better sharpness, less distortion. But I haven't done side by side comparison to confirm that. And re close focusing ability, the 24-70 is OK. But the 24-105 definitely is better as that lens is almost a macro lens!
In the brick wall section of this video, is distortion correction applied, not applied, or baked in? There is some small distortion evident- is the lens itself that good, or is it partially corrected in software?
I have no apply any distortion correction in post processing . I can't answer for sure if the RAW file has bake in correct that is automatically applied. Maybe some of my viewer can tell us if you know for sure
@@TheRealRichardWong Just wondering, as the 24mm corner doesn't sharpen on stopping down. Some lenses in other systems, when images are opened in Lightroom, for instance, have corrections applied that cannot be turned off. I'm suspicious of correction stretching because of the corners @24mm. Or maybe it's just well corrected for distortion, with soft corners @24.
It could be. I know Nikon would bake in the distortion correction and it's not easy to turn off. So possible Panasonic do the same but I can't say yes or no at this stage
Just received my 24-70. I noticed a very faint clicking sound when zooming in and out. Did you experience this? Perhaps it’s normal for this particular lens design as everything else is working fine with it.
Richard Wong Yes, it only makes the sound when camera is on and zooming. I can only hear it a quiet room and the eye to the viewfinder. It’s like a gear or something. Sounds like aperture ring clicks only much quieter.
Richard Wong Thanks for all of the replies! Yes, it is the same sound as changing aperture. However, I’m in manual mode with a constant aperture. Lens caps on or off makes for the same sound. I’m doing some research now and others are finding the same sound so I’m a bit relieved. One user tells me the lenses are designed to close down the iris along the zoom range although it is a “constant aperture” lens. I’m a bit baffled by that as I’m not an engineer. So it appears my lens is normal. I’m a stills shooter primarily so this doesn’t really bother me. I just wanted to make sure I did not receive a defective lens.
I did some test under low light (mainly photo) and that works quite well with the S1R and better with the S1H, but didn't include it in the video (as well as some other test results) . I haven't done continuous autofocus test under low light with this lens. What sort of low light Autofocus tests are you most interested in?
Hi Richard! I finally got the Lumix S Pro 24-70mm. I am very happy with it. It is a real work horse and the image quality is very good. I have two questions, if you would be kind enough to share your insight. The lens emits a high pitched, quite audible beeping when auto focusing. Not in photo mode, only in film mode, single and continuous. Do you notice it too? Furthermore: Dale Baskin of DP Review talks (at 1:24) in their recent youtube video: Explainer: Panasonic Lenses for Video, about step-less aperture. And doing so, they show a scene (two women on boat) with the notification Lumix S Pro 24-70mm 2.8 on top. The scene gets darker, showcasing a step-less decrease in aperture. Did I miss something? It seems to me that the Lumix S Pro 24-70mm has no such function. I own the lens and I use it with my S1H and I have been researching this without success. Can you confirm that this capability really exists. Thank you!
Not really aware of the high pitched beeping but it's being a while since i last used the lens. re the stepless aperture.. i think they are talking about how the camera (or lens) would smoothly do the transition when you changing the aperture value? instead of a sudden jump from say 2.8 -> 3.2.. it would do a smooth continuous transition
@@TheRealRichardWong Exactly! That's what stepless aperture does with some lenses. "Smooth exposure adjustments when transitioning between f stops". It is a nice feature but the 24-70mm does not have it. At least, I have not found it. Thanks Richard!
Hi. Great video. Would like to see more samples next time though. I am thinking of this lens vs Sigma 14-24mm f2.8. Any plans in the future to do a test on it? Would like to see how it performs because so far people are more interested about the E mount version. Thx
Hi there thanks for watching! yeah I am planning to add more samples to my blog. I will see if I can get my hands on the sigma 14-24 here , would love to do a review on that for sure!
@@TheRealRichardWong if you do, could you try out the back of the lens filter system? This is si far the reason I am still not sure should I get this lens
Hi! I have a GH5S and I want to buy a speedbooster for the use of the S PRO 24-70mm F2.8 lens that you used, How do I do? Knowing that it is an APSC sensor
Since the flange distance for m43 and l- mount are virtually the same, it is not possible to create such a speed booster for you to adapt l mount lens on m43 camera
@@ndylamory9094 L-mount is the full frame camera system supported by Leica, Panasonic and Sigma. This lens is a L-mount lens. This is a system completely different from the micro four thirds and incompatible.
Richard: When you say the build quality is similar to the 24-105, do you mean that it's a plastic construction? I thought other users reported that the build quality is the same as the 50 1.4 (which feels a bit metallic) :(
The 50 1.4 is very solid but not still completely "metal". I feel the 24-70 is somewhere in between the 50 1.4 and 24-105, solid but also not like Leica, Zeiss kind of metal
Richard Wong I know the 50 is not metal, but some sort of rugged mixture. It’s too bad the 24-70 doesn’t sound like it has the same robust material. The 24-105 scratched very easily for me so I’m concerned when I get my 24-70 😬
@@TheRealRichardWong Hey Richard, I like your test methodology a lot. There's one thing I'm curious to know: In online shops and on Sigma's own website the 35mm f1.4 also exists for the L-Mount. But nobody seems to have tried it on the Lumix S cameras here on youtube. Since I also own the S1 I wonder if you know if it works with these Panasonic cameras or is just designed for Leica. Best regards from one of your subscribers!
@@lamesandfn9693 Hi there, thank you very much! The Sigma 35 1.4 L mount should work with Panasonic cameras, optical performance should be great too! but I have not tried the L mount version myself so can't comment on the autofocus performance. I've just tested the 35 1.2 for L mount and the review should be up within a week (just need to edit it) if you are interested
I wouldn't mind too. But all the Panasonic bodies (and the new leica sl2) all have excellent in body image stabiliser so I feel Panasonic will only put OIS on longer Lenses?
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I have this lens and I notice a lot of chatter while changing aperture. It clicks on every stop. Did this happen for you?
Thanks for the reminder on the manual clutch, I didn’t hesitate on what to do when I experience it myself :-)
Will you be getting the Lumix S 24-70 2.8 lens? What is the L-mount lens you are waiting for the most?
How much?
All your tests conclusions - "fantastic" :) I think 24-105 is amazing, so thanks, no.
@@rendermanpro The 24-105 is definitely good! Great general purpose lens!
@@rendermanpro Price should be around the same as the mirrorless 24-70 f/2.8 from other brands.
Regarding online stores - $2,197.99... don't very want it... .Interesting to see super tele-photo (~400mm)
@@rendermanpro oh those monster lenses! But that may take a while... the 16-35 f/4 and 70-200 2.8 should be coming quite soon according to the roadmap!
Hi there, I am considering buying this lens but I am confused if I should get the Sigma or the native mount which is this one. Especially when there is such a big price difference. Do you have any experience with Sigma 24-70 f2.8 L mount?
Hi there, yes I have reviewed the sigma but the E mount version so didn't do a direct comparison to see which is better.. You can check out my review here... The optical quality is same as L mount version th-cam.com/video/xKFDrp_XryM/w-d-xo.html
Excellent review. Your reviews and my experience with testing the S series cameras and renting other brands convinced me to place an order for the S1R and the 24-70. The S1H will round out my kit later. As far as weight is concerned, I come from that generation that took heavy view cameras, medium format Hasselblad, lenses and heavy tripod across landscapes because of the value we placed on the highest image quality in the final print. And yet these cameras were a joy to use relative to our expectations. The LUMIX series falls into that category for me and with an ergonomics and lens quality that easily surpass the best at that time. In the end, the right tool for the job. It’s so easy to take what’s good for granted.
Hi Frederic, thank you for watching! Yes I really love the ergonomics of the S series cameras. They really nailed it in terms of the body shape, controls ..etc . (ok i don't like the power switch on the S1, S1R.. but that's really the only major thing i would complain) Enjoy your S1R! And thanks again for watching the video
Very helpful, thank you!
Nice review man, great to see a new pro lens for the Panasonic FF series
Yes.. thank you very much. Yeah a few more Pro lenses should be coming very soon too!!
Hey @RIchard Wong in your experiences over time would the weight of the 24-70 mounted on the smaller s5 potentially warp the lens mount on the s5 since it would make it so front heavy? if so have you found any solution to support its weight? (very uncommon question I know, but it is super concerning how heavy this 24-70 is. it is like having a bowling ball mounted to the camera haha)
when you say "wrap the lens mount" do you mean damaging the lens mount? If so i think the mount should be strong enough for a 24-70 2.8.
It's heavy but not THAT heavy. Usually the lenses that are really heavy would have it's own tripod mount for you to install on tripod/monopod. But as always, it's always a good idea to hold the camera with a hand on the lens if it's anything bigger than a 70-200 2.8. Doesn't matter what mount/system :)
@@TheRealRichardWong Hey Richard! yes, i use the word "warp" as a nicer way to say bend or damage. What you said is really good rule of thumb and I will keep in mind with bigger lens. Also, do you happen to have a video on your channel that I may have overlook that shows how to support a lens with your opposite hand to take a steady photo or video? I believe other youtube channels may have this content but I rather support and watch your channel instead. Looking forward to all your future content
Thanks for your support ❤️. But no I haven't make a video like that maybe thats one thing I can talk about more in one of my future video
Do you have something like a hater-army?
Why the dislikes?
Haha maybe! But I do have a youtuber friend who has dozens of account and he love to go through them and give me some reverse thumb up
Richard Wong, tell me who he is & you can consider this problem solved! 🤪
Hold fire Mr Robertson!! I don't want anybody get hurt!! But haha don't worry I don't really mind anyway and it actually helps my videos rate better on TH-cam so don't kill him just yet please :p
Richard Wong just say the word my friend, I got your back!😀 JK!
@@drewrobertson6286 thank you! Lol
I've bought the 24-70mm and I am really blown away by the quality! It became my main workhorse and it delivers great images. I have one annoying issue though: when I focus manually, I can see "stepping". The focus area jumps in little steps and that does not look too good. It's more noticeable whit close ups. When I use the area focusing by taping on the screen however, the focus transition is smooth.
Do I miss a setting in the menu to get smooth manual focusing?
I found the manual focus fine tune is always slightly jumpy with a focus by wire lens
@@TheRealRichardWong Hi Richard, is this STILL an issue?
@patrickhuynh393 Yeah, I concur! We have it on our S1H, so it is balanced. It's really a beast. One trick I found out: keep the focus clutch on autofocus and switch to "manual focus" on the camera body. This way, there is less "stepping" when focusing.
Any chance you will be getting a Sigma 24-70 DG DN L mount for comparison? How does this 24-70 compare to other 24-70s from Canon, Nikon etc to you? Thanks
It's definitely possibile to compare to the sigma and Panasonic. I just need to find some time to do the comparison so if I have time I will definitely want to do that comparison but don't hold your breath as I can't promise if I will 100% do it and when
Hello :) i buy s1 you think 24 70 or 24 105 for first lens ? F.4 for nightclub its ok ?
For nightclub you normally don't need to much zoom and low light is more important so I would go for 24-70 2.8
@@TheRealRichardWong thank !
Great review! A little tip - balance a zoom in the middle of the focal range, around 40mm then a gimbal should not have any issues :)
Oh great tip Andrew! Thanks :)
Excellent review. I have ordered my 24-70, just waiting for stock to arrive to Australia. I have been using the Lumix S 50mm and 24-105mm and really love the picture and colour quality for video
Hi John! Stock should arrive very soon. Enjoy !! Which city are you based in btw?
Richard Wong Sydney NSW
Awesome!! Maybe I will bump into you next time I visit Sydney!
If you see me on the street, please grab me and say hi :D
Hi Richard! Do you feel the 24-70 best the 24-105 in overall IQ? Also, does the new 24-70 have much close focusing ability? Thanks!
Hey Steve, I feel the 24-70 has better IQ than the 24-105. Better sharpness, less distortion. But I haven't done side by side comparison to confirm that. And re close focusing ability, the 24-70 is OK. But the 24-105 definitely is better as that lens is almost a macro lens!
In the brick wall section of this video, is distortion correction applied, not applied, or baked in? There is some small distortion evident- is the lens itself that good, or is it partially corrected in software?
I have no apply any distortion correction in post processing . I can't answer for sure if the RAW file has bake in correct that is automatically applied. Maybe some of my viewer can tell us if you know for sure
@@TheRealRichardWong Just wondering, as the 24mm corner doesn't sharpen on stopping down. Some lenses in other systems, when images are opened in Lightroom, for instance, have corrections applied that cannot be turned off. I'm suspicious of correction stretching because of the corners @24mm. Or maybe it's just well corrected for distortion, with soft corners @24.
It could be. I know Nikon would bake in the distortion correction and it's not easy to turn off. So possible Panasonic do the same but I can't say yes or no at this stage
Hi Richard, is the 24-70 parfocal for video uses? Thanks so much.
Hi Jon sorry I didn't test that so can't answer your question
@@TheRealRichardWong Thanks anyways! 24-105 is parfocal so I have fingers crossed!
Yes it is
I just got the Lumix 24 to 70 and i think the auto focus on it is better than the kit lumix 24 to 105.
Just received my 24-70. I noticed a very faint clicking sound when zooming in and out. Did you experience this? Perhaps it’s normal for this particular lens design as everything else is working fine with it.
I don't remember that, but is it with the lens attached to camera and camera turned on?
Richard Wong Yes, it only makes the sound when camera is on and zooming. I can only hear it a quiet room and the eye to the viewfinder. It’s like a gear or something. Sounds like aperture ring clicks only much quieter.
@@stevevansak7324 quite likely the camera tries to adjust the aperture? Do you hear that if you put the lens cap on?
Richard Wong Thanks for all of the replies! Yes, it is the same sound as changing aperture. However, I’m in manual mode with a constant aperture. Lens caps on or off makes for the same sound. I’m doing some research now and others are finding the same sound so I’m a bit relieved. One user tells me the lenses are designed to close down the iris along the zoom range although it is a “constant aperture” lens. I’m a bit baffled by that as I’m not an engineer. So it appears my lens is normal. I’m a stills shooter primarily so this doesn’t really bother me. I just wanted to make sure I did not receive a defective lens.
@richard wong, how come you never do auto-Focus test in low light. That is the test i rather find it more useful in real world
I did some test under low light (mainly photo) and that works quite well with the S1R and better with the S1H, but didn't include it in the video (as well as some other test results) . I haven't done continuous autofocus test under low light with this lens. What sort of low light Autofocus tests are you most interested in?
@@TheRealRichardWong please do the low light running test on future test. Or maybe do the test again..
If money is not an issue what lens would you buy the Panasonic 24-70 or Sigma 24-70?
If i shoot with a Panasonic body, i would get the Panasonic lens
@@TheRealRichardWong thanks. Last question, what camera do you prefer to use as your personal camera?
Hi Richard! I finally got the Lumix S Pro 24-70mm. I am very happy with it. It is a real work horse and the image quality is very good. I have two questions, if you would be kind enough to share your insight.
The lens emits a high pitched, quite audible beeping when auto focusing. Not in photo mode, only in film mode, single and continuous. Do you notice it too?
Furthermore: Dale Baskin of DP Review talks (at 1:24) in their recent youtube video: Explainer: Panasonic Lenses for Video, about step-less aperture. And doing so, they show a scene (two women on boat) with the notification Lumix S Pro 24-70mm 2.8 on top. The scene gets darker, showcasing a step-less decrease in aperture. Did I miss something? It seems to me that the Lumix S Pro 24-70mm has no such function. I own the lens and I use it with my S1H and I have been researching this without success. Can you confirm that this capability really exists. Thank you!
Not really aware of the high pitched beeping but it's being a while since i last used the lens.
re the stepless aperture.. i think they are talking about how the camera (or lens) would smoothly do the transition when you changing the aperture value? instead of a sudden jump from say 2.8 -> 3.2.. it would do a smooth continuous transition
@@TheRealRichardWong Exactly! That's what stepless aperture does with some lenses. "Smooth exposure adjustments when transitioning between f stops". It is a nice feature but the 24-70mm does not have it. At least, I have not found it. Thanks Richard!
Hi. Great video. Would like to see more samples next time though. I am thinking of this lens vs Sigma 14-24mm f2.8. Any plans in the future to do a test on it? Would like to see how it performs because so far people are more interested about the E mount version. Thx
Hi there thanks for watching! yeah I am planning to add more samples to my blog. I will see if I can get my hands on the sigma 14-24 here , would love to do a review on that for sure!
@@TheRealRichardWong if you do, could you try out the back of the lens filter system? This is si far the reason I am still not sure should I get this lens
Hi! I have a GH5S and I want to buy a speedbooster for the use of the S PRO 24-70mm F2.8 lens that you used, How do I do? Knowing that it is an APSC sensor
Since the flange distance for m43 and l- mount are virtually the same, it is not possible to create such a speed booster for you to adapt l mount lens on m43 camera
@@TheRealRichardWong see, how do I use it with the GH5S? Is there a solution?
Sorry I don't know of any solution. The Lumix S Pro 24-70 was really designed for the l-mount full frame cameras
@@TheRealRichardWong What exactly is the L-mount made of? What does it change compared to other frames?
@@ndylamory9094 L-mount is the full frame camera system supported by Leica, Panasonic and Sigma. This lens is a L-mount lens. This is a system completely different from the micro four thirds and incompatible.
Richard: When you say the build quality is similar to the 24-105, do you mean that it's a plastic construction? I thought other users reported that the build quality is the same as the 50 1.4 (which feels a bit metallic) :(
The 50 1.4 is very solid but not still completely "metal". I feel the 24-70 is somewhere in between the 50 1.4 and 24-105, solid but also not like Leica, Zeiss kind of metal
Richard Wong I know the 50 is not metal, but some sort of rugged mixture. It’s too bad the 24-70 doesn’t sound like it has the same robust material. The 24-105 scratched very easily for me so I’m concerned when I get my 24-70 😬
Does this lens come with a free trolley bag?
Test Sigma's native L-mount
I have just tested the Sigma 35 1.2 L mount .. just need time to edit the video together haha (along with a few other videos sitting on my computer)
@@TheRealRichardWong Hey Richard, I like your test methodology a lot. There's one thing I'm curious to know: In online shops and on Sigma's own website the 35mm f1.4 also exists for the L-Mount. But nobody seems to have tried it on the Lumix S cameras here on youtube. Since I also own the S1 I wonder if you know if it works with these Panasonic cameras or is just designed for Leica. Best regards from one of your subscribers!
@@lamesandfn9693 Hi there, thank you very much! The Sigma 35 1.4 L mount should work with Panasonic cameras, optical performance should be great too! but I have not tried the L mount version myself so can't comment on the autofocus performance. I've just tested the 35 1.2 for L mount and the review should be up within a week (just need to edit it) if you are interested
#notificationSquad 😜🎥💯🔥
Damn you are fast! There is no dislikes yet so you are faster than my other friend hehe
@@TheRealRichardWong haha yeah, got notifications on. Looks like that other "friend" has 11 accounts! 😂😂😂
He had way more than that!! Don't underestimate the power of the dark side! Haha
Pity this lens hasn’t had IS . For the price it should
I wouldn't mind too. But all the Panasonic bodies (and the new leica sl2) all have excellent in body image stabiliser so I feel Panasonic will only put OIS on longer Lenses?
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