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Quote was fake, video is unlisted so if you’re here you’re a real internet sleuth, mad respect. I unlisted it for obvious reasons, not trying to spread fake quotes
All good Z, keep the good stuff coming
I was here because I left the video open and went to sleep lmao.
Turns out apparently the quote is real, reporters really putting me in a blender today so video is back up
@@Zealandism damn Zea, u must be tired rn. also are you ACTUALLY named Zealand cuz that's a rlly cool name
I’m now confused 😭
According to Deloitte, Juventus' (men) revenue was 400,6 million euros in the 22/23 season. That same season, according to Deloitte, Juve women had a revenue of 1.2 million. If she's earning 4k a week, and he 200k, she earns 1/50th of what he does despite the men's team having 400x the revenue - proportionally, she earns 8x as much as he does.
This. Zealand thinks revenue comes just from how many people's watching lol
Do they have separate tv deals? If so, I do think that should be factored. But I also believe what z said at the end, about paying them more now for dividends later is a thing. You can argue for better tv deals and if they don't pay, people will yell at their carriers and find it elsewhere. It's how a free market works. If it costs media companies subscribers, they will pay for it.
This was the same issue when they were complaining about pay during the world cup, it was something stupid,if i remember correctly, that the men as a whole earnt around 5% of total revenue from a world cup and the women earnt about 60% of the total revenue, but they want more, its just footballers being greedy.
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but thats because the womens system is not yet on the level of the mens
You know what’s really ridiculous? Zealand not running!
Real
get his ASS 🤣
we have the same name and both support dortmund :)
This is the WNBA all over again, it's not about talent, they're all fuckin' talented, it's just that one sport has a hell of a lot more money in it.
Yeah the goal needs to be to get womens sport out there to more people. Its a sport that needs to grow, and can use every bit of exposure it gets.
@beliarius6949 women's sports should try to reach more women first and foremost. It has zero chance to compete with the top tier men football just as much as league two has. There are not enough competitive teams for a sensible champions league with quite a few of games finishing in 5+ goals thrashing in which the quality of the game is closer to the Sunday league than to the premier league...
Men’s sport has more money in it because men take more interest in sports than women do. Men’s sports are also infinitely better than women’s sports.
If women want female athletes to earn more money, then those women need to start spending their own money to watch them.
They expect them to just magically be given equal pay out of the men’s pockets.
Ask random women of the WNBA should get equal pay and they’ll say yes. Ask them to name a team or a player and they freeze.
@@Derek-qu8qiTo be fair I enjoy WNBA more than NBA just because it's more fun to see shorter players who are closer to a normal height play the game.
For other sports however with equal gender participation (soccer, cricket, baseball/softball, rugby, ice hockey (albeit only if body checking is allowed)), there really isn't too much of a difference in play style other than goalies might be shorter and a bit worse and players might be ever so slightly slower in the woman's game. As a taller man I enjoy men's sports more because I relate to the guys and their physical attributes more (except NBA, those guys are freaks), but women's sports are not massively inferior
Eerr men get more money because they're more talented thus they can draw in way bigger audiences. It's def about talent
Footballers always seem to forget they are part of the entertainment industry and think what they do is more pivotal to world than it is. But in the entertainment industry, it doesnt matter how much effort you put in, whether its the same or more than someone else, if people arent as interested you just aren't gonna get paid as much. They aren't being paid to play, they're being paid to be watched.
I might have calculated it wrong but the women is making more % wise in this situation:
The men bring in £4,150,700 per match and he gets paid £196,000 per week as a percentage of match day revenue this is 4.72%
For the women they bring in £58,270 per match and she gets paid £3864 per week this is 6.63% of match ticket revenue
6.63% is more than 4.72% the women get more fairly paid than the menh
You've pulled these numbers out your backside
No I got them from this video. Zealand pointed out the match day revenue stats under the tweet and I used that
Fun fact, this is also why a flat tax rate is fucking stupid... Also, to be fair I'd argue that the good PR the club receives from having a women's team that's even treated just reasonably well is worth a few extra percentage points of match day revenue earned 🤷♂
The US women were offered the exact same pay as the men and they rejected it. They decided to go for a benefits package instead.
both the mens and the womens teams would have made more money on each others deals which is the funniest part
Couldn't this argument be used for Serie A wages versus Premier League wages?
Theres more money in the PL, ergo the players get paid more there compared to Serie A (or Ligue 1).
TV rights cost more, match day tickets cost more, etc.
Also, isn't the transfer record in women's football like 250,000 or something ridiculously low?
That's less than many PL stars earn in a week.
@@Mydigitalepitaph literally, it’s just you only ever get given the same points over and over again but never with any depth/explanation or any pushback when anything like this is said . (Even though she didn’t even say this is just angry kid bait)
Douglous Luiz would be getting lot less at Villa(PL) than he is getting at Juve(Serie A). And believe me he does not deserve 196000 dollars/week salary player lmao.
its shocking how poorly la liga players are paid because of tebas' extreme salary cap. But ig you could argue that pl players are just getting paid over their actual worth
the death of nuance is scary
It's like one random woman, fym death of nuance
If you want nuance, this video is not it.
If you want to actually look at the numbers she's earning far more than he is as a porportion of matchday revenue, broadcast revenue and sponsorships.
@KLOC2812 that's what I'm saying. Z just oversimplified this to number of viewers. What about merchandising, number of shirts sold, ability to attract sponsorship, the actual sponsorship money itself, number of stadium goers, prize money of the tournaments (which is higher for men due to many reasons including more international viewers), etc.
You are forgetting the times Barcelona’s females have gathered massive crowds the majority of tickets have been free or sold with a big discount.
Fx Barcelona vs Real Madrid females champions league quarter final, 50k free tickets for members at the club, the rest of the tickets was 9-15€
The next Barcelona men’s game vs getafe the price ranges from 49-149€
For the men’s el Classico I couldn’t find official prices from Barcelona, but Real Madrid happily charge you 125-385€
And these tickets gets sold out almost immediately and re sold on the black market with a 100% profit
And yet Barcelona’s revenue still can’t met their wage bill. This isn’t the take you think it is 😂
This isn't true at all.
@@sld1776every single thing he said is absolutely true, there is plenty of evidence for it. What part of it do you dispute?
@@All-Outta-Bubblegum The part where Barcelona's revenue can't cover its wage bill. The wage bill last season was 492 million Euros while revenue was about 800 million Euros. Revenue should reach a billion after returning to Camp Nou.
if you talking about womans cl match attendence....dont ask about how many free tickets are given to schools and on matchday around the city where the matches are held. I have been to 8 CL playoff matches and never payed anything for it, because they give it away for free to fill the stadium.
Man like to watch men sports, woman dont like to watch woman sports. That is the difference and will always be the difference. Interest in watching things on the tv will always be gender specific .
The Kardashians are billionaires , because women watch them.
Interest will not always be gender specific bc then women’s sports literally would never exist and gay guys that watch the Kardashians and House Wives wouldn’t be a stereotype bc it’s purely gender. It’s based on ur surroundings. Go down south in America and you’ll find that like 70% of the girls are interested in football and some level and follow it avidly
“Men like to watch men sports, women don’t like to watch women sports” is a crazy statement. That’s not the case. It’s just because the women have only been allowed to play sports for 50ish years so they are still catching up skill wise. Once they are there systematically the eyes will follow.
@frontrowviews 🤦🏻♂️ men like to watch mens sports because it's the same agenda that Netflix put where they made cleopatra black, cos there is a lack of black female figures to look up to and feel empowered, and men would like to watch Messi and neymar in the same way. If feminist really care they should lay down their protest and go to women's game more to show support. What u said is absolutely nonsensical
@@cdanerz3677 here you go with the “agendas”. Touch some grass, go outside, breathe, your brain is rotting with internet takes you’re parroting from people who don’t care about you.
@@frontrowviews That argument is so much BS. If you put 100 male babies and 100 female babies on a desert island away from civilization, and have them all play football from birth, the men are still gonna be 10 times better than the women in adulthood
US women’s national team does not make as much money.
He just destroyed his own point using hurling as an example.
Women’s teams need to be run as stand alone clubs and live or die on their own merit.
It shouldn’t be down to men’s football to keep them afloat the way the NBA has to do with the WNBA.
A lot, if not most, clubs are taking a loss on the women’s team, and the men’s side is having to fund it. Ok, some will draw big crowds, and some matches will draw big crowds, but often at most clubs, the attendance are low.
You can’t pay a 24 women squad 50k a year each if the women’s team doesn’t bring in that much.
It came out that Blackburn’s women’s team earn 9k per year and people lost their minds.
BUT blackburns record attendance is 1500, and season tickets are £50. That’s only 75k.
A squad of 24 waning 9k is 216k. That’s a loss of 141k. That obviously doesn’t include sponsorship or tv money, but I don’t think there’s a lot of that considering attendances are so low.
Man Utd average 11k with a season tickets at £60. That’s only 660k. The WSL TV deal is something like 7m between the 22 (I think) clubs, which is 320k a year. Less if it gets down the second tier. Tv and season tickets is less than a million a year.
In most cases, the men’s game is paying the women’s wages.
The Women's World Cup understood this and they were using it to try and bring new eyes to the women's game which would eventually allow them all to get paid more.
yeah but nobody is intrestested in womens football even the women
This is a really bad take on multiple levels
1. No women's professional player could even survive playing in the counties leagues in mens' football. Thus they are not anywhere similar to "equal play"
2. Nearly all women's teams operate at a financial loss, so asking the clubs to increase their pay is delusional considering they are arguably already being paid too much
3. The USWNT lawsuit was complete bs, considering they rejected the financial deal offered to the men in favor of less pay but with more guaranteed money and benefits, both the mens and womens teams would have made more money on each others' agreements
4. You failed to factor in ticket prices, which is the major reason why womens' teams make less money. If womens Premier League tickets were the same price as the Premier League they would be selling zero tickets
I love Zealand but this video is just a barrage of bad takes 3 minutes in. The US women are not the most watched US soccer team.. at all. They chose their deal and made less because they wanted more guaranteed pay. No they do not deserve to make less than the men, and lets not get into the difference in competition between these teams. Honestly we need more women to be interested in womens sports. Because I know girls that bitch and complain about woman athlete pay, but they don't watch or follow the sport at all!
Exactly. The reason 70,000 people watch women’s champions league matches is because it’s a cheap evening out with the kids. You can see Chelsea women play at kingsmeadow for a fiver. The burgers are more than the tickets.
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is that actually true?
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@@shahir1395 yeah, though he’s using for its original purpose instead what it’s known for.
@@jacklang3314 what's the original purpose?
@@shahir1395 think it was supposed to be like Patreon
This is like saying players in the championship or league 1 saying they do the same job but get paid less.
dont underestimate championship players. championship is Surprisingly high level. On just skill perspective, the gap is probably somewhere between the vanarama national league and the prem.
It’s not just about how many watch your sport. It’s also about how much they are paying to watch your sport. WSL season tickets are around £50. Celtics women’s season tickets £50.
Hearts women played Hibs women and it was free entry.
A friend went to a Scotland women’s match because it was played at the stadium near his flat. Entry was a fiver.
WSL tv deal is around 7m whereas the premier leagues tv deal is a billion.
No one’s paying £500 for a season ticket to watch a women’s team.
These facts need to be taken into account when asking why women don’t earn the same as men.
I legit just went to look for the quote, saw the two images, and instantly determined why the men got paid more. Look at the stands, in the mens picture the stands are packed, but in the womans one there is just one fella, and i think hes just a photographer.
they should add a mandatory economics class in training
Good points, however I think there's a bit too much focus on viewership as the principal indicator of how much someone deserves to be paid. You can put 100,000 people in a stadium, but if tickets are $5, you end up making less money than a 50,000 person game with $15 tickets. Add in TV deals, apparel sales, transfer fees, and all of the other revenue streams that go in to running a sports franchise, and you end up with a vastly different picture of deserved payment than if you look strictly at viewership. We really won't know how much each side deserves unless we actually see the financial statements showing total profit. As is the talking point you see a lot, the women's CL games that sell out often have low to no cost tickets. If you put the tickets at men's CL prices, you would see vastly different attendance numbers (at least that's what the current market seems to indicate). The same principle could be applied to any business. However these discussions always seem to devolve into emotionally driven debates about morality instead of actually looking at basic economic principles and market demand.
The money does not come from gate tickets alone. The real chunk comes from sponsorships. So run the numbers on that, let's see what the women are generating compared to men
is more about sustainability, you cannot pay woman footballers 50-80k a week per player while winning silverware in this tournaments generates 1m for example, thats just something that common sense doesn't allow.
should they get more? most likely, but the thing is, they want 50-80k a week, when chances are they would objectively should earn at best 10k, it will never be about equal pay, it will always be about "im doing the same work but not paid the same" ignoring the fact that they do not generate as much revenue, thats just not how it works, you cannot work as a manager of a 3 employees shop and expect to get paid the same as a manager of a supermarket
you are right Z, nuance is lost in the internet, but it was lost both ways, something having potential doesn't mean people should be on board with the risk that it entails, you can drop 20m a year on woman football, you are not gonna see green numbers for the next 10+ years, let alone a return on investment
i can assure that most of us would agree that they should pay them more, but sadly, they are working for a 50 employees shop while the mans are working for a 50k employees shop, people really fail to see something this simple when talking this topics instead of asking for equal pay, ask for raises accordingly to the expected earnings from the teams/national teams, make the 50 employees shop that is paying you 5$ an hour pay you 8$ instead, don't ask them to pay you the same salary as the CEO of fucking microsoft.
We also need to think about where extra prize money& extra wages might come from - you & me. Pay TV subscriptions are already far too expensive, I can't afford to watch all the leagues I might like to.
@@bbqR0ADK1LL exactly this whole debate should be used to show how stupidly much money there is in men's football, and that the fans actually suffer from that. The Bundesliga at least kinda regulates commercializing, but even there a home kit is 90 dollars. Watching football is too expensive, and participating in general is too expensive
Another caveat is the stadiums charge much less for a women's game vs a men's game. Therefore it's easier to pack out.
As things stand, if you charged women's rates for men's games, you'd fill a few stadiums for each game.
I went to games at the Women's Euros. England in the group stage was £15, the final was £50. Old Trafford was full, Wembley was full. There's no way the Men's final at the same full stadium 12 months earlier had tickets that cheep
A hurling reference for zealand
Just being watched doesnt mean shit ,profits and marketability is everything .
shes the highest paid player on her team because they are taking some of his salary and giving it to her. that was part of the agreement from my understanding. the female league in italy doesnt generate enough to pay what she is gonna get paid without having to take some of his salary.
if they want to get paid more i feel like the should get like 75% of the jerseys they sale. or something like that.
or more of their own media rights
And as I have said, the revenue stream means nothing. See Barcelona and the Saudi Pro League 😂
@@ChineseKiwi the saudi pro league teams are literally given access to the Crown's Public Investment Fund. The prince literally funds the league himself
To be fair, hurlers aren't paid at fucking all, it's an amateur sport, also the GAA made something like €115m in revenue in 2023, some racket they've got going the absolute bastards 🤣🤣🤣
People that play hurling actually don't get paid, despite some of the crowds they would gather it isn't considered a professional sport and considered an amateur sport even with paying crowds and sponsors.
Haha yea not the best example, they're literally battling out there on the pitch for the love of the sport
99% of people in women’s football completely understand why equal pay (at club level) isn’t yet a thing. It’s just a shame that the 1% who don’t seem to get that are the ones given the platform to make statements that damage the credibility that the 99% have worked so hard to gain.
Frankly, complaining about 4000$ p/w is insane, that's 16000$ p/m and 208000-224000$p/a before taxes, that is far more than she or anyone needs to live a more than comfortable life.
complaining about money in such a situation is just ridiculous
Everything you’ve said is spot on. You support women’s football and support the aim of equal pay; but you know that can’t realistically happen unless women’s football grows in both attendances and sponsorship.
Run Zealand
you can be working at the tech industries but working at microsoft and working at some indian start up is different
Just a quick note about your point about hurling. Gaelic football and hurling players are all amateur and dont get paid at all as it's a sport that is seen as purely representing your county and community historically. Although your point would be true that if they were to be paid, due to exposure around the world it obviously wouldn't or shouldn't compare to those global sports.
The us woman team isn't better than the men's they are more successful. More people watch mens football than womens. It's not country by country veiw. As for your take of stadiums being full. Most tickets are given away to schools, that's why. Men's football shouldn't pay for women's football. If people want to watch it, they will
And money will flow. Stop forcing something to happen.
There may not be a 100x more people watching him but the ticket prices aren't the same either - so they're likely taking 100x more at the gate for his games, an extra zero or three for sponsorship deals etc... He's worth the difference, solely from a financial perspective. We'll probably get there eventually but ultimately it's simply about the popularity of that particular aspect of the sport, whether the mens or womens is more popular, the other side just has to suck it up, the same way someone working in a recruitment agency does basically the same as an agent but gets a few less zeros per months in pay, or the difference in pay between different racing series, from NASCAR to WEC to F1 - these athletes all generally get the money they get based on the money they can draw in for the sport. Think about the downhill Skeleton boys and girls, throwing themselves head first down an ice track on a tea tray and half the time working a job during the week or for half the year to pay for it..
The inherent problem is this though: Athletes are generally compensated by pre-agreed contracts. To use the analogy of a company: A company will solicit bids for a job from contractors and then choose the contractor that best fits their needs based on price and/or services. To go back to the sporting world: unless every athlete is REQUIRED to be paid the exact same contract, you will always have disparities. A club is plainly not going to offer Erling Haaland the same contract as Danny Drinkwater, and the same is true of women athletes. So depending on how these contracts differ, any woman (or man) can draw a comparison between their contract and someone else’s but the fact remains that these contracts are incredibly nuanced and customized based on so many different factors. The reality is that I agree that women and men should get the same salary for the same job, but trying to fix this in the world of football would be like a country trying to create a law that makes every company always give out contracts of the same value for the services they need. It’s just plainly not possible on an individual level. I think the men’s vs women’s team is a more black and white situation that could be more easily addressed, but I really don’t think there’s a solution to even men and women’s individual contracts without just nuking the whole system and forcing them all to be salaried/bonused at the same level regardless of who the player is (Haaland and Drinkwater) 😆
Do men get equal pay as the women in the fashion and beauty industry? Ive never heard of a male supermodel but i can reel off loads of female supermodels and they got paid millions......these equal payers dont mention that thoigh!!
Zealand having this conversation with Pepe in the background is unbelievably based.
This is a hot button topic that shouldn't be and Im super glad you tackled it Zealand. We need more people to speak about the absurdity of these claims.
With regards to the USMT vs USWNT this isnt exactly a fair analyses. There are many videos breaking it down but essentially the success of Football outside of the United States (Aka the mens World cup) means regardless of the Womens vs Mens success in the United States the money is being generated by the Mens Global game and success. So when the US mens team gets to the world cup and brings millions of dollars to US Soccer it might not be because the mens team is successful, but its because the overall product of Mens football is generating that wedge of cash that gets distributed to the federations.
Now how your federation chooses to spread that cash is up to the federation, but lets be real Mens football is the biggest generator of football revenue and while I agree with Zealand on the 'living wage' argument, 4k a week is far above a living wage its a fantastic wage.
Lehman is also a professional model, lets have the equal work, equal pay conversation there to. See how quickly she pivots.
1 not a hot button issue 2 it’s a misquote from a twitter account farming clicks
Exactly. Someone with some common sense, thank you.
Those womens UCL games with 70-80K packed stadiums also cost far less for a ticket than mens equivelent. The analogy you used for Irish Hurling is the best one, womens football is Irish hurling compared to mens football - it may be getting a lot more people viewing it now than before, but they are not paying anything close to the mens game to do it.
According to Hope Solo on her Netflix documentary, the US women's team didn't get equal pay - they got a bonus and some stipulations to follow up on if they want equal pay.
I very much agree with equal pay for equal work, but I also recognise that there is a difference between "equal work" in an environment like a supermarket or a call centre, and equal work in a creative sense - for example, "equal pay for equal work" does not mean that your average person who sings in bars and clubs would earn as much as Beyonce or Taylor Swift...
Also, regarding tennis tournaments, there is an argument that could be made that the equal pay between men and women is in fact unfair on the men - men's majors are played as best of 5 sets, whereas women play best of 3 - which means that women are often better-placed to also compete in the womens or mixed doubles, and get extra earning potential there...
It's not so much just how many people watch men vs women, but also how much these people are willing to spend on the men's game vs the women's game.
I remember seeing a post on facebook last year where the Wales men's team elected to take a pay cut to ensure the womens team could get pay parity. There were a lot of guys in the comments thinking it was a disgrace.
I never understood this as the men had voted to take the cut, most in the mens team were making thousands from their clubs and the national team was like a side hustle, and many on the women team were struggling to balance other jobs with football commitments so couldn't afford to represent their country. I think in that case absolutely pay parity was justified.
I think your point on Lehmanns comments is valid when it comes to club football. It's unfortunate the pay isn't the same but I hope we can get to pay parity in future when they are of similar popularity. Wouldn't hurt either if the men didn't earn so much, wages compared to the average person is crazy.
The crowds are growing but currently in England at least the ticket prices we are seeing to get these larger crowds for women's football are tiny compared to the costs of their men's teams within the same club.
Arsenal have spent over a decade investing heavily in their women's team and get great crowd numbers but it is still fundamentally being subsidised by the mens team, but unlike the u21's, u18's and all the academy squads that are subsidised by the first team there isn't a benift to the mens teams from subsidised women's football.
Football is a business and while the theory of building for the future for when women's football could be profitable in the future is good, clubs can't risk their very existence by over investing in a side project that will never(let's be real on that) match up to their primary focus.
Just in general. Better to describe her as a footballer first, and not define her as someone’s girlfriend and “also a professional footballer”.
It’s probably true that not 100 times more people watch the men’s Juve team than the Juve women’s team but ticket prices is a factor as well. I remember paying £200 to watch the Tottenham men’s team play in a full Spurs stadium and I paid like £5 to watch the Tottenham women’s team in a 1/3 packed Leyton Orient stadium.
Shed make more money than her boyfriend if they were OnlyFans creators. Same job but different pay.
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Or a model
this quote nearly made Zealand go back on the run.
The tickets for woman’s super league games are super cheap £10 for an adult, £60 for a season ticket. That’s how they get attendance. Men’s games are £40-50 for a ticket
I’m a big fan of women’s football, I don’t necessarily think they should be paid the same as the male teams but I think they should be paid more. Most leagues aren’t even fully pro yet, a lot of players have to work 2nd jobs… one of the reasons I really recommend women’s football to anyone who actually loves football and not just “the feeling of winning” and supporting a big club is the “grassroots” feeling to it. It’s not necessarily a good thing, but if you see a woman playing football, chances are she really, REALLY loves the sport. Because it’s mostly not worth it. The players have really strong mentality.
They also break the “dumb football player” stereotype. Since most leagues aren’t fully pro, a lot of them are also part-time students, getting masters and PHDs, because there’s no guarantee that they can live off their wages after their retire.
Alisha’s case is different because her contract was likely negotiated with her boyfriend’s, so it’s possibly one of the highest in Serie A Femminile. Plus, by dating a men’s football player, she has a direct comparison and they’re likely very much aware of each other’s finances, it’s hard to not make a comparison. Serie A Femminile went pro about a year ago. The minimum wage in Italy is about 1150€ (?) and the average salary in the league is around 2k€.
There's more than just the number of people in the stands. The tickets for a men's game is 5 to ten times more expensive. As a knock-on effect of that, there are more people watching from home. And even more over, Americans can and do catch EPL mens games, and im sure we aren't the only country outside of Britain watching. That means bigger sponsorhip deals, more jerseys sold, etc. The womens game isnt there yet. I hope some day it will be, but it currently is not. Also, I would personally be satisfied with my life if i was getting paid whelat she gets doing something im passionate about, like she does.
If equal pay was brought into football,all these female teams would be dropped like a hot potato.
It's very simple
This is professional sport
The players are paid based on the money available
Millions more fans watch men's football than women's (the us women's football team aside)
It's nothing about sexism
There is WAY more money involved in the men's game and that will probably never change
And this isn't just football this is every professional sport barring beach volleyball but that's obvious why
The way I always argue it when it comes up is: As a professional athlete you are, first and foremost, an entertainer. You get paid relative to what society deems is your entertainment value. So the issue is actually a need to dispel the idea that Women's ball is boring and not entertaining. Brand exposure. And the best brand exposure in this case is not jumping and down and stamping your feet because those who do not understand the underlying issue and intricacies of the situation will just see that as whining and complaining.
I think the historical suppression of women's football is also a factor here. The women's teams haven't been allowed the same time in which to grow their sport, this in turn means that they haven't had the chance to grow their revenue or attendance numbers. Also there seems to be a hesitation by the governing bodies of football to up the prize money, reaching the champion's league group stage is 400 000 euros. For the men it's 18 million, that's close to 1/50, which lines up neatly with Douglas Luiz' and Alisha Lehman's wages actually. Per win it's 2,1 million for the men and 50 000 for the women. This causes the women's teams to often have worse facilities(unless they share with the men's team) as well as the number of club staff etc.
Women's football is exploding in popularity, but it's still lagging comparatively to the popularity and access to resources.
I'm not saying that the champion's league should at this moment pay the exact same prize money by the way, it's just another cause of the pay gap happening in football.
I totally agree. women's football would collapse in a heartbeat if equal pay no matter what would be a thing. It just wouldn't be sustainable. No club in the world would keep women's team in that kind of enviroment. Having said that - I recently got into women's football and I'm impressed, really impressed. There is a lot crazy talented players and I hope it will get attention it deserve.
Im probably out if touch, but why take to twitter when you can bring this up internally to your manager through your agent or to the team that dabbles in contracts?
Women's football was massively popular in the UK early 20th Century. That's why it was shut down. It was challenging men's football too much for the FA's liking, apparently.
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Let it never be said that Z's good at maths.
Zealand talking about hurling was not on my 2024 bingo card
I came for the hurling and only the hurling 😂
Hurling mention out of nowhere. Always loved the zealandiams. Keep it up ❤
Gaelic games in Ireland are amateur sports so nobody is getting paid to play hurling (except expenses, a free car and maybe a cushty job for being a local celebrity)
That feel when you dont understand simple economics 😂
LEZZ GO HURLING
Zealand this is bait this is not what she even said, unfortunately soccer twitter has struck again
So I see
You've been proven incorrect 😂
You are paid according to your market value and profitability, not ability, viewing figures or workrate.
Fixed costs. Putting on an elite football match costs a ton of money and that money goes out the door whether zero people turn or 50k. Hence women's football is largely being subsidised by the the men's game. Hopefully it will become self sustaining, but it's dilusional to think that it can support higher wages without huge subsidy.
I think the Alisha Lehmann case is unique, as she brings a massive following along with her to whatever club she joins, so herself earning a wage near that of someone in the men's team kind of makes sense.
Why is this I saw her play for West Ham and Villa, I didn’t think she was a great player. She does not offer much in the final third whilst she is a good dribbler. Is it just highlight real thing or is there some subtext?
@@timothymoss4945 She's the most followed football in the women's game. Doesn't matter about her ability, the attention she brings means that she warrants a higher wage
She makes it up by posting bikini pics on Instagram
Totally agree with this whole take
Simple solution. Give them the wage increase they want and watch them become free agents as their team cant afford it.
I'm a huge advocate of the Women game and have been a season ticket holder for 4 years now going home and away (i've attended 100+ games), but your pay is representative of the money you bring in.
The women's game wont reach the same level as the mens game in many countries. It's just a fact which some cant accept.
An example is my mens season ticket is 15x that of my womens. My womens season ticket is LESS than a singular match ticket at a mens game.
These women's matches that fill the mens stadiums though aren't the same though. They generally have subsided ticket prices, a greater number given away to the likes of schools and girls clubs and are sold as an event. Regular games usually struggle to get anywhere near capacity of the ground they play at. It's still a massively niche product outside the US and will be for a very very long time (personally I feel it always will be as long as it's all about trying to prove it's equal to men's football rather than embracing the difference. For example the thing that always lets the women's game down is the keepers, women's physiology just doesn't allow for the spring of even a fairly average male keeper and as studies on reaction times have shown the average women's reaction time is slower then mens so something like using slightly smaller goals would make it better. Basically they should be pushing the skill factor which is the area they can be as good as men and reduce the physicality which is where the women's game fails)
Like KP said a while ago, women want equal percentage of league revenue, not necessarily equal pay checks.
There isn't the revenue to give them
When you put it that way Z. I actually think more people watch Alisha to watch Alisha specifically. Very few people watch Juventus to see Douglas Luiz i reckon. But yeah ^^
Z, there are some who still appreciate nuance, we're just not good at speaking up most of the time!
I really appreciate your take here on the proportionate nature of salary - would be interesting if you looked at the fuller picture, with TV money as well, and maybe prize money too, but that's probably too much detail for a Zealandism ;) and probably is an interesting long-piece for a more nuance-appreciating platform!
Also, thanks for the pinned comment about it being fake - doesn't take away from your stuff, but always appreciate the honesty you show with your content
Actually its not the first couples transfer. Something like this happens often in the women's sport. E.G. Harder and Eriksson
Hurling is strictly for amateurs (in other words, it's not a professional sport) the GAA who run it & Gaelic Football have it in there rules that the sport stays for amateurs (NO pay r transfer fees)
Typical, so out of touch. They do not do the same job at all. One plays Men's football, the other doesn't.
Thank you for making this point Zealand, finally someone speaks some simple truth about the economic situation and why women aren't paid as much as their male counterparts in sports. One point of disagreement with something you said. I don't believe Juventus or any other club should be forced to have their men's team subsidize the women's team just to give them equal pay. If you want equal pay in sports, your own teams need to earn the revenue required to pay those wages, not force another team to keep them financially viable.
Good news your solution is pretty much how it works now 😂
Even though the quote was fake it's a sentiment many hold and needs to be addressed regardless. The equal pay argument falls flat on its face immediately when you realize that not even the men get paid as much as the top men make in the sport.
There is also the point that Alisha Lehman isn't that good. She was mostly a squad player at Villa and occasionally comes on as a sub for Switzerland.
Has a profile because of her looks, not ability
Wouldn`t care if she couldn't get a game for East Fife F.C and San Marino. I'd still watch her 😜 But aye your point is a good one. She must make a few bob in advertising.
I mean, if you actually look at the revenue for the Men and Women's games, women actually earn a higher percentage of that revenue than men.
I think really what needs to happen is that the women's game needs to improve drastically if they want to see anything remotely close to the men's revenue. People aren't going to pay the same ticket price to watch a women's game as they will a men's. And packed stadiums mean very little when those seats are filled mostly from free or very cheap tickets. And the TV viewership isn't even close, nor is the broadcasting deals.
It's a very complicated topic, because it seems unfair and sexist, yet is probably more than fair when you actually look at the amount of money in the game. The women's record transfer fee is under $1,000,000. There is clearly a massive difference in the amount of money we're dealing with.
'The worlds first couple Transfer' isn't the worlds first couple transfer. There were some before this one
If only more people knew about hurling, I'd love to see the heights it could reach with a global player base. Imagine a hurling Messi
I just checked two defenders of my local Team SK Brann one woman and one man they earned approximately the same amount in 2022 this was when the Mens team played in the 1st mens tier and Womens team played in the 0th womens tier
The problem is not that women are underpaid but that men are overpaid. When it comes to football ofc.
There’s no women’s champion league stadium getting filled up to 70k.
Yeah its not hundreds that watch...its thousands
Finally someone with a take with enough nuance
The Women's Champions League Final did pack the arena, true. But how much did the tickets cost? How much does the Men's Champions League Final ticket cost? The attention growth is there, but at cost of money. No money, no higher salaries. People are still not paying to see women play.
Rhonda Rousey said it best.
Equal pay for EQUAL WORK is the key
The reason hurling players don’t get paid is that it’s an AMATEUR sport!
The video is unlisted, but I can still watch it. 🤨
its common sense, something they dont have
Once women bring in equal money, they will be paid equally. Until then, they’re not doing “the same job”
Perhaps I'm wrong, but money (for the most part) is not about viewership. It's about advertisers. So if the advertosers aren't paying equal, women cannot be equally compensated.
It is about viewership, the money comes from advertising but the people paying for the adds pay so much because so many people will see them. The adds that league 2 teams sell aren’t less valuable than EPL adds because of the content, they are less valuable because so many less people will see them. The same way an influencer with 10 million followers will make more money than one with 10 thousand even if they do the exact same add read, if you are able to reach more people your add space/time is more valuable.