Upgrading from an MX5 to a Boxster
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2023
- In October 2022, I sold my beloved 2016 ND MX5 GT to buy a 2013 981 Porsche Boxster. Was it worth it?
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I went the other way 2 years ago. Sold a 996 and bought a ND MX5. I feel that I can afford to drive the Mazda more "robustly" than the Porsche. I have never regretted the decision. Thanks for your very balanced presentation.
Many thanks, Tim. The 996 is certainly more susceptible to issues than an MX5, so that sounds like a wise move.
Why
@@1anre The 996, 986, 997.1, and 987.1 engines have issues with IMS bearing failure (especially when the car isn't driven often), and the rear main seal. Some also have had issues with bore scoring.
@PETERFRITZPHOTO damn. And not many of us can fork out funds for a 718 GT4RS.
Guess it's the ND2 or the coming ND3 for us as a 2nd fun car then as this can be a mature man's single and only car with family responsibilities etc
@@1anre So long as you don’t need much luggage space, and you fit comfortably in the ND MX5 (some don’t), it’s a very good choice.
This is one of the best car videos I’ve ever seen, you captured the emotionality of cars differently to all the noise coming from other TH-cam creators. This felt much more personal and genuine on a different level.
I really appreciate that, Sam - thank you. You've just made my day!
My thoughts/feelings, exactly - well said!
@@ScottFentonfullbe6 Thanks a lot, Scott.
Very well said !!
Thank you for discussing this aspect of Porsche selection! You kept it simple and it’s a video I will refer back to this as I am now in a similar situation! Thank you for doing this. Well done!
Thank you, Michael. You’re very kind.
In 2018 I considered selling my ‘16 ND GT manual and purchase a base ‘13 Cayman with 30k miles. For whatever reason I was underwhelmed. Maybe I was expecting to be completely blown away by the difference, maybe expecting an out of body experience. It was imo marginally better. Before my ND I had owned several S2000s. I wasn’t sure the Porsche equaled any of those. So I kept the ND and now own a ‘21 ND RF Club BBS….and couldn’t be happier. With its GoodWin Racing SSST exhaust and some tasteful ascetic mods it may be my favorite sports car ever, more than my early Mach1, Vette, Supra, 300ZX, afore mentioned S2000s and 6 Miatas starting with an NB SE BRG in 2001. So glad you’ve fulfilled a lifelong dream in owning a Boxster. And your video was so well made!
Thanks, Dan. I totally understand your position. 👍
Truth people hype up Porsches soooo much then you finally drive one expecting a jaw dropping experience and only get......a car! This happened to me, over the course of 3 years a build a 3.2 backdate 79 911 with all the best parts. I couldn't wait to drive the thing after all the work I had done. Well finally the day came the first big drive..... Total disappointment!!!!! I spent tons of money and time building my dream car only to realize this cars aren't that amazing, at least to me. I did drive it for about a year and it was ok nothing crazy. People loved to talk about the car when I pulled to to get gas or stop at a convenience store. Other then that I really didn't find the car that pleasing finally sold it to a guy the approached me while getting gas. Bought an NA Miata after that and loved that little car for 8yrs. Finally it got too small or I got too big lol so I sold that too. Got a 986s nice car fun to drive and fairly inexpensive I'll have this until I find time to rebuild the love of my life, the 77 vw rabbit I drove through college
Another nice video with knowledge and correct observations. Very good work. Thank you Peter
Thank you, Thomas. I appreciate that.
beautiful video, so relatable, I've owned a 98" NB and now I have recently purchased a 2017 ND 2.0 sport with Recaro seats and bilstein, I can't stop driving it and looking at it.... for the money it costs it makes it the holy grail of the essential driving pleasure, and the fact that everyone, cars enthusiasts and not love it too make this little thing a joy giver for everyone, if prices and maintenance would be a little lower I'd consider a Boxster but RN the miata is a part of my soul. (fun fact, kids and old men stare it so much more often than a common Porsche, at least in my area Sicily-Italy)
Thanks for the kind words, Elia. Yes, the MX5 is a beautiful, highly capable, non-threatening, smile-inducing car. I still miss mine.
For absolute cost of maintenance / insurance you can't beat a ND / ND2. Your Recaro seats in that 2017 ND sport sound great. I have a 2016 MX-5 Club soft top with the Brembo / BBS package across the pond. The regular cloth seats have a hammock feel to them & long drives are comfortable journeys. I love the fact every drive feels special from other cars I've owned. Definitely the simple manual operation of the convertible is a huge factor. In the Pandemic years the car was absolutely a mood altering machine !
A very balanced comparison - thankjs Peter
Many thanks, Cyrus.
Enjoy the drive. Love your passion
Just bought a 2023 mx-5, and I love it. Even though I see some Porsches on the road, as a 36 yr old, I feel like a million bucks driving mine. Ssomeday I will upgrade to a Porsche, but for now, it's not in the cards. Another 2 decades of letting the wealth accumulate though, will mean it's just a matter of when, not if.
Can't wait to have another 20 years of experience driving these magnificent little cars. You are a true enthusiast and your video was honest and didn't bash the MX5 or overgloat the Porsche
Good for you, Michael! The MX5 is one of the best sports cars on the planet. It has been from day one, so anyone who looks down on them has their head up their arse. You have the right idea with money - $50 invested now can easily be $500 a couple of decades later - especially in real estate.
Hey I’m picking up a white 2023 mx5 nd next week. Pre registered with 41 miles on the clock. I cannot wait and I’m 55 😂😂😂 by the way I priced up a new boxster for 71k but I still
Think I have made the right choice
Thoughtful and well presented. Over the last decade, my wife and I have owned a 981 Cayman and MX-5 ND2. I absolutely agree with you, both of them modern classics and as good as it gets in their respective classes. You mentioned the GTS 4.0, that replaced our 981 in 2021. I think that in the future, the GTS 4.0 will be looked back on as one of the high points in Porsches model history. Still have the MX-5 and that's staying.
Thanks very much, Paul, and I agree - on all counts. If I had more garage space, I’d love to park a mint, stock, NA here until I croak. 😄
I have an ND1 RF and added the GTS 4.0 Boxster. I was thinking "if I like Porsche a lot better and drive it for the most part, I'd get rid the of the MX5". I still have them both and drive them for different reasons. I absolutely agree both will be classic and the pinnacles of ICE sports cars.
Man, this is such a great sales pitch for a Boxster.
Tell Porsche to send me cars!
I loved this video but what made it special and brought tears to my eyes was seeing how happy your son was and your love for him. 🥰
Oh, thank you - that's really sweet! Yes, I love my boy.
I own a 2006 Boxster S, manual transmission. I looked and researched many different types and models. I always can back to the Boxster and so did many auto analysts. It has been a joy to drive and own. They are special vehicles.
Indeed. I came to the same decision over many years, and after driving hundreds of cars.
I have the same. It is sublime. There are no substitutes for mid-engine, manual 6 speed and that engine! I don't need any more power either...
Well played
Thank you for your time.
Brilliant vid, thank you - always been toying the same - so very informative
Thanks, Andy - much appreciated.
I came to watch & defend my ND (30th Anniversary edition) against what I thought would be a biased review against a far more expensive car. Sadly, well to be fair I should say happily, this was a balanced and fair assessment and I agreed with many of the points (I’ve been looking at Boxsters for a while). The flat 6 takes the win for me but for the moment the ND stays but a little modifying awaits 😂. Cheers, Kevin.
Good on you, Kevin. And thanks for stopping by. I miss my beautiful little ND, but I’ve found new thrills in the Boxster. The hype is definitely justified.
I own a 1990 NA SCCA spec race car and a six speed 987.2 boxster S. The boxster amplifies everything i like the NA.
I feel you Peter. Had a perfect 1.6 NA that I turboed it, and upgraded it from the ground up for the last 10 years. Sold it two weeks ago. Two years ago bought an ND2 30 anniversary RF, I am having a blast with it.
Also two years ago bought an 2001 986S, never felt connected to that car, sold it in two months of ownership.
Before the Miata NA I’ve had a Porsche 993 Carrera for 5 years, really loved that feeling. And that wasn’t my first impression with a 911, on my younger years I had an 1976 911 2.7S.
Now I’m thinking in selling my ND for my forever car, an 718 Boxster.
Thanks for the video, it is really inspiring.
Thank you, Mateo - that's quite a history. I suspect you'll be thrilled with the Boxster.
Selling my (second) Miata was the worst mistake I’ve ever made. I’ll be owning a third and (someday) a boxster or cayman of some sort. This video captures that emotional attachment well. This guy “gets it”
Thanks, mate. I tell you, even with this fabulous Boxster in my garage, I still miss my MX5. Such a brilliant little machine.
I purchased with a lot of effort in 2013 the 981 S... I treated it like a babe and I loved the sound and the elegant interior since the first time. The air intake on the side are amazing and made this car unique and recognizable in the market...after 10 years I still love it...Your review is amazing!
Thank you, Michele!
Boxter/Cayman best smiles per mi/km. 981 was the only car I’ve regretted selling. Keep it forever.
I reckon I will, Brian - or at worst, exchange it for a 4-litre GTS version. 👍
Great video. I have slightly different perspective. I am car buff too, I owned one the first NA Mazdas to arrive in Australia in late 1989, fun , brilliant car, and I now own a 2022 ND2 GT soft top. Along the way and years ago, I also owned two late model Porsche 911's. I owned a 1975 911 Sportmatic Targa then in 1988 I bought a 2 year old 3.0 litre Carrera Targa. Both great cars and the Porsches were wonderful, but I am deliriously happy with my ND2 MX-5. I would not go back to a Porsche, I grew tired of comments I received, and he envy, and the occasional bit of vandalism. If I had tradesman coming over I would park the car around the corner knowing I'd be charged a 'Porsche Owner's Tax'. Visitors would say 'Oh, you have a Porsche..." and not in a nice way. I was often concerned where I parked it, not to mention the substantial cost of ownership such as insurance and service costs. It's one thing to buy a Porsche, it's another to own and maintain one. It became a liability. Police are more interested in Porsche's too, ands I speak from experience. Also, I would not buy an older Porsche like the 2013 model unless I had deep pockets and was willing to pay to keep an older car like that on the road. My MX-5 makes people smile, and wave, It doesn't not cause envy, possibly just a little pity. ;-). Sure it's not as fast, or as well fitted out, but it is 300kg (600lbs), thats' three chunky adult's worth lighter than the Porsche so the latter needs more power. I think the Boxster is great car, well engineered etc, and is the only true rival to the humbler MX-5. In any case, enjoy the Porsche, but I'm just wondering if one day you'll be back in an MX-5!
I loved my little NA, and the ND almost as much (mainly because I had the NA when I was young and single!). I only use my Boxster for fun drives to my dad's house in the mountains, or my mum's house down the coast. I hardly ever use it in heavy traffic, and I don't commute because I've worked from home for over 20 years. So in terms of maintenance, I'm fine with Porsche's fixed price servicing ($795 for annual, $1,500 for intermediate, and $2,200 for major). My last major service on my Mitsibishi 4WD was $3,500. In terms of people's opinions - that hasn't bothered me one iota since I made that conscious choice 15 years ago. I truly believe that what others think of me is none of my business. I might get an MX5 again someday - but I'll probably have a Porsche, too. 🙂
Thank you! Thoroughly enjoyed your review.
Many thanks, Scott!
Love your car videos, keep them coming. I watch a lot of Car TH-cam channels and your videos are honestly up at the top. The cinematography and emotional content of the videos make them excellent to watch.
I currently own a base 718 and have owned 3 Miatas. Very common upgrade I think. I agree if you can afford it, it's a worthwhile progression.
Thank you. I really appreciate that.
Really great video man! I actually was deciding between a Boxster and a Miata when I was looking for my first fun car. (Among other options) I ended up with the Miata because it felt more personal, more raw, and it has more aftermarket support. But like you said, sports cars are emotional purchases. I really was taken back to when I first got my car, that joyful feeling of walking up to it. I share that even now. To those looking for a fun car, I hope you can enjoy that emotional joy with us!
Absolutely, Zach. The MX5 is genuinely special.
It's called an MX-5, not Miata
@@PointNemo9 argument bait or did you just crawl out of your cave?
@@HARaZAC Neither. It stopped being called Miata a few years ago, it's the MX-5 now
@@PointNemo9 nice bait, it is and always has been a MX-5 Miata. 💅
Peter, thank you for a thoughtful and fair review. I purchased an ND1 Club MT while also considering Porsches. Then I realized that if I didn't buy a Mazda and go on with Porsche, I would potentially never buy a Miata. Never regretted. In my imagination, an MX5 and an older 911 coupe like 997.2 is an ideal combination.
Thanks very much, Igor. I love the MX5 so much, I’ll probably buy another one someday. Only this time, I’ll have a Porsche, too - just like you’re planning. 👍
Great story. Very well done sir!
Thanks, Kevin!
Same here. Driving Miata ND for almost 9 years and considering to upgrade to Boxster. Your video convinced me.
Good on you, Andy. Thanks for watching.
Great video! My thoughts exactly for the start of the vid, agreed with everything. I just haven't replaced my NC with the Boxster just yet , lol! Only the reliability remains to be seen between the two.
Indeed. We shall see. 👍
I had a 987.2 then one of the newly launched MX-5. I liked the MX-5 but it was claustrophobic and I missed the Boxster. So this year I sold it and bought a 981. Before my first Boxster, I used to think my BMW M3 convertible was the best car I had ever driven. Nothing beats a Boxster for me - and I have driven a 911.
Good for you, Bob! I have to agree - the cabin in the MX5 really is quite claustrophobic, especially roof-up. And noisy, too. The internal dimensions of the 981 feel just right. Thanks for dropping by.
Which M3 did you have?
@@clubracer6 E36 Evo.
Very watchable video. Thank you sir. Happy Driving 🤘
Thank you, Paul - that’s very generous. I just read the bio on your channel - I can relate.
@@PETERFRITZPHOTO Thanks for checking it out, cheers
Loved your story and identify w wanting to buy that special car while you’re still young and not too old before getting it. I hear you and in same boat, hope you’re enjoying it 🍻🍻
Thank you, Mazyar. It was definitely worth the wait, and all the struggles and setbacks that came before it. 👍
Great video Peter! Like yourself i always wanted to have a Porsche in the garage, back in 2014 i purchased my first one, which was a 2003 Boxster S, loved the car, but i wanted more, purchased a 2007 Boxster S in 2017 and in 2020 i purchased a 2015 Boxster GTS. Every time i moved up in modelyear i experienced a refinement in ride and more power. Certainly the 2015 GTS is a very special car, but recently I placed the order for a 2024 Boxster GTS 4.0 and this fulfilled my long term dream of buying a new Porsche and taking delivery in Germany. Delivery will be summer 2024 ( this is what i requested, will see what i get) and winding her out for once on the autobahn will hopefully be the experience i have longed for. The missus will go with me and we will take two weeks in Germany, switzerland and Austria. Afterwards it will be shipped to Canada, where i will enjoy it for many more years. By the way, GT silver on Bordeaux red leather with manual gearbox, 911 turbo style wheels to complete the package. 😊
Oh, wow - what a dream! And that colour combination is Boxster perfection. I’m so happy for you, Jan. Congratulations!
Good on you getting the manual. Although Porsche's PDK is outstanding...paddles are for canoes. Best to row your own. Enjoy.
Remember, when you pick up that GTS in Germany, that you can rent laps on the Nürburgring for very little money. I lived in Germany for years, plus trips there for both work and pleasure before and after my assignment there. And I can tell you that Americans get more excited about the Autobahn than they should. Now, taking a sports car on the "B" highways through the mountains is more what sports cars are all about. Just don't miss your chance to take your GTS on the Nürburgring. You will regret not doing it.
@@waynekempton7160 I’m jealous…
I went from a 981 base Boxster to a ND2 Miata. The boxster is better in every area except one. Running cost. I wanted a trackday/street car and Miata fits the budget I have for this hobby. That being said, I'll probably get a 981 S in the future. The boxster is just such a good car.
I completely agree - especially if you’re tracking the car. The ND2 must be great with those extra kilowatts.
This is great because I just got rid of my Porsche and got an nd2 rf club. Blew my mind when it went 0-60 in 5.6 seconds.
I loved my Porsche but, I’m a driver to my core. Once I drove the nd2 I didn’t need any coaxing. Easiest trade-in of my life.
Love driving my tiny Aston miatin lol. The only car that comes close to making me not miss my motorcycles so much in the winter.
I really enjoyed my ND1, and as a bike rider, it was a great alternative. A much safer one, too. I'd love to try the ND2 - it seems to be the peak MX5. The ND platform was just a little small for me - especially in terms luggage capacity when I visited my dad in the mountains with camera gear and personal items for me and my son.
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Thank you, Joao - that's very nice of you.
I upgraded from an high mileage NB to a low mileage 986, 2 years later I still think this is the best upgrade I've ever done.
had both Cayman and Boxster but keep coming back to the Miatas. Prosche are definitely more refined with nice power to ratio providing more thrilling rides. but the charm of the Miata is down to earth experience of a typical roaster and super easy and cheap to own and drive at almost the half cost of a Boxster S. with a current markup on GT4, I can buy a collection of new NDs in all six colors :-)
I totally get it, Johnny, and I may well buy another someday. I would love a mint NA as a time capsule machine, but sadly, I have no more garage space!
What a loving expérience !! I have bought one MX 5 one month ago and I enjoy it very much and it's an Amazing car. The sound is good and nice.
Thé choice beetween miata and Boxster was difficult for me. It's the cost decided it.
Love from France ❤
@@agnes-37 Good for you, Agnes! I’m very happy for you, and wish you many years of happy memories with your new companion. Thank you for visiting. 💙
this is a fantastic video, my friend! cheers 🥂
Thanks, Curtis.
Thanks, I love your video, and your sentiments have been mine as well. I used to tell my daughter when she wanted something out of reach, "... and yes, I would like a Porsche." And the conversation would end. Ministers don't make that kind of money :). Then I retired, and after driving Mazda 626, Mx6 and 6 for years, finally fit my 6 foot, 1 & 1/2 inch body into an MX-5 RF, but I still want a Porsche, ... and I expect, if before I die, the opportunity presents itself, the Boxter will be my go at it. It doesn't hurt to dream, and you have kept the dream alive for me. Thank you!
Haha! That’s what I said to my own daughters for years! Thanks for your kind words, Michael. You’ve made my day.
I love the Porsche Boxster. I look forward to hearing about your experience with maintenance and repairs in a year or two. Though you did get one with low mileage, so perhaps that will keep costs down. I currently own another VAG product and love it... but the cost of repairs and maintenance is tough when I look around and see some friends with things like Mazdas and Lexuses. Of course, my car now has nearly 200k miles (bought it at 69k). It's in great condition, but I feel it's time - there's that emotion - for something newer and sexier. It's still cheaper to keep my current car despite the additional repairs.
I hear you. I owned 10 Mercedes Benzes in a row, and became tired of the costly maintenance and repairs. I then bought a few Japanese cars (Pajero, MX5, Elgrand, and Outlander), and enjoyed their low running costs. But two of them were new, and the other two had very low kms, so I guess that was a given. I still have the Outlander, and it has fixed price servicing for 10 years, totalling about $3k over that decade. My last service on the Mitsubishi Pajero was $3,500! Porsche Australia offers fixed price servicing - from $795 for the annual maintenance, to $2,200 for the major service. I’m fine with those numbers.
I did pretty much the same thing you did for the same reason: I went from a lowered NC with a redone suspension (Ohlins all around, beefier anti-sway bars and custom wheels and alignment) to a 2013 Boxster S because I always wanted a Porsche. While the Miata was terrific, especially as modded (the thing cornered flat and gave its little heart every time I had it on a twisty road, handling like a go cart), in comparison to the Boxster it was a toy while the Boxster is a real car. The Mazda’s a/c couldn’t keep up with the heat with the top down and windows up. The Boxster’s a/c handles it fine. The Mazda was no fun to drive when it got colder or with the top up, which really impeded blind spot vision and made the interior uncomfortably loud. The Boxtser is quiet with the top up and although rear visibility isn’t great through the small rear window, the sides of the car are fine. And my Boxster also has a stick (I see you opted for PDK), which is almost as fun as the MIata’s, a very close second. It is just a much more refined experience that I get to use much more of the time than I could my Miata, and viscerally, nothing feels or sounds like a flat 6 engine that revs like a Porsche.
Keep enjoying your Porsche. Spot on reporting.
Jeffrey - you've filled in the blanks beautifully. Thanks for this comprehensive insight, and for your kind support.
Great videos Peter, love your way of making videos. You just earned a new sub!
Thank you, Oskii!
Thank you answers all my questions ..have a 2009 S PDK 310 hp would miss that
So good to see an Australian review and what a great, and retrospectively obvious, transition video that was so prevalent to so many people. Well done. I am keeping an NC Sport and selling the ND GT RS whilst waiting for the 718 GTS Cayman. Although unavoidable, when the luxury car tax is removed from the figures it is easy to see where the money goes compared to our great little MX5’s. Once loved, never forgotten.
So true, Seamus - Porsches are so much cheaper in the US and UK. And I agree with your last statement. I’d love a mint, unmolested NA, so keep as my personal time capsule. So many fond memories with that little rascal!
Great video. Would’ve loved to hear some cost of ownership figures as well such as insurance and yearly service / maintenance comparisons. I’d imagine theres a night and day difference there. Also would’ve been great to hear your thoughts on daily drivability. Victorian here btw. Own an MX5 ND2 RF at the moment but the dream is to own a 718 or ideally the 911 GTS someday
Hi, mate. The insurance on the MX5 - with all modifications noted - was about $900 with Enthusiast Insurance. The Boxster is, surprisingly, about the same cost with AAMI. The Boxster has had one annual service ($900), and one gearbox and diff oil change plus drive belt replacement ($1300 total) - both at Porsche Centre Melbourne on Victoria St. I didn’t daily drive either car. I work from home, and have a Mitsubishi Outlander for family duties. 👍
@@PETERFRITZPHOTO that’s great to hear. Cheers
@@CyMOTOau Anytime, mate.
Great video Peter!!
Many thanks, Jeff.
I've got a MX5 ND2, after a 2016, after a 1999, after a Lotus Elise, after an NSX. Happy to keep my ND2 now, cheap to maintain, very reliable and comfortable. Cheers
Good for you, François. Which NSX model did you have, and why did you sell it? The early NSX is my all-time favourite sports car.
You can’t deny the appeal of the MX5 with over 1 million sold across the various generations. It was a brave thing that Mazda did when accessible 2 seat roadsters from other manufacturers were few and far between. It’s also interesting that Porsche took 2 generations of Boxster development before the well-known engine issues were addressed, whereas the MX5 was right from the time it hit the market. Having said that, the Boxster is brilliantly engineered (with fewer cost constraints) and very practical for touring with the 2 generous luggage compartments, clear advantages over the MX5. Although an intangible thing, you get a sense of its heritage from decades of involvement in virtually every kind of motorsport too.
BTW, what is the EVE (?) logo on the glove compartment and the side of your car?
Yep - the MX5 is a brilliant car. I’ve love to buy an original, unmolested NA one day - perhaps one of the examples so many first-release buyers parked in mothballs. As for EVE, my daughters wanted to name the car, so it’s named after the cute white space robot in the movie, WALL-E. 😉
You forget to mention the reliabilty between the 2 cars. I have owned both and will never buy another porsche for its terrible reliablity and cost to repair. The Miata in my opinion is the most underratted sports car in the World for the value.
Hi Edward. What year and model was your Porsche?
I recently bought a used Miata NC1, lowered it with coil overs and installed at set of aftermarket wheels with wide 245 tires. It’s been a great joy to drive. I do agree that it’s not for everyone and if you can afford to buy and maintain a Boxster then have at it. I hope you enjoy your new road passion.
Thank you, mate. I've always liked the look of the NC - especially from the rear. And with coilovers and 245's, I imagine yours looks REALLY nice.
Wow amazing video. Felt like a love letter to both of these cars and have me seeing both of them in a different light
That’s a great compliment; thank you!
I value the sound and feel of a car most these days.
Based on sound alone the flat 6 of the 981 Cayman or Boxster is hard to beat ❤
So true. And I do, too.
That's why I went from an MX-5 to an Elise.
I like the flat 6 sound but it doesn't give me the fizz (to use a James May term), but in terms of feel there's not much that surpasses a Lotus.
@@ScathingMobile I'm sure you're right. I really must get my arse into an Elise someday.
@@ScathingMobile I have not driven an Elise yet. I'm just curious, what flat 6 have you driven to come to the James May conclusion?
@@PETERFRITZPHOTOthe Elise is an experience. I thought my NB was a go kart until I drove an Elise. But unless you're young, it is not an only car.
When I came to selling my NB I considered a 987 S or 981 non-S, a ND RF GT, and eventually the Elise S. I figured I'd buy the Elise while I could still climb over its ridiculous sills, and eventually sell it and buy a Boxster.
If you can get your hands on one on a nice day on a winding road I'd suggest it. But also consider what it would be like to live with it every day and drive it inter state before you wish you'd bought one janread of the Porsche....
A great comparison. We had an mx5 NB for 10 years, a 911SC, a 944, a boxster 987.1 and now like you a base 981 but manual. I love Porsche and the boxster is the best to own in the real world. The 981 is everything you say it is, so accomplished, honed to perfection. I thought it was the perfect sports car. But then i bought a Lotus Elise, im on my 2nd one and when i just want to go for a drive, i always take the Elise, its fun, its pure, its involving and all at legal speeds.everyrhing i want from a sports car. If i want the same involvement from the 981 I'll be going so fast I'll lose my licence. I never thought id say this but ill keep the Lotus as my sports car, sell the 981 and buy a used mx5 as the daily drive. I'm so lucky to have the choices. Thanks for a wonderful video.
That’s quite the history there, Nick. I must admit, I’m ignorant in the ways of the Elise. Despite reading enough about them to choke a donkey, I’ve never driven one. Hell, the last Lotus I drove was an Esprit! I’d love to experience the Elise, and while I’m at it, the Evora and the Emira. Thanks for dropping in, Nick, and for the kind words.
It's interesting that I saw this post. I once owned a Lotus Elise back in 2019 and sold it, my biggest regret (I only paid $23k for it and sold it for the same price...dammit!). I am now on the hunt for something that excites me, and the Boxster is on my list. Ironically, I bought a 987.1 S but in my opinion it wasn't that exciting, so I ended up selling that. Fast forward a year and I bought an NC MX-5 but with the BBR 200 kit, and BOY was that an incredible machine. Still, my mind wandered back to the Lotus, and it still does. I am now debating between a 981 Boxster S, the Lotus Elise, or an Alfa Romeo 4C, although the Alfa is hard to find in my budget (under 50k).
@@Element_y What a delightful dilemma. See if you can get a drive in a 981. I drove a 987.1 a few years back, and it didn’t give me the same feeling as the 981. That said, I haven’t driven an Elise. I imagine it’s a very different driving experience to any Boxster.
what a full empty life you have
Always love coming to your channel and seeing how much you enjoy driving and chatting about your cars. My NC2 is definitely the right car for right now, and though I would love to get into a base 981 like yours, it's just too far out of my reach at the moment. Hoping I can get into one down the line when I save more and can afford the higher ownership costs.
Something I think is totally worth highlighting is how underrated the base 981's 2.7L is. It makes nearly 100 HP per liter and gets the manual Boxster from 0-60 MPH in around 5.5 seconds. Very impressive, but what's even more impressive is how tractable it is, how responsive it feels, and how brilliant it sounds. Higher-displacement flat-6s benefit more from power/torque down low, but they're more bass-ish and thrummy throughout the rev range while the smaller engines really howl and shriek as you wind them out, which I absolutely LOVE in this car. It's a real exotic-sounding sports car engine that makes you want to wind it out again and again just for fun, and honestly I think it's the perfect engine pairing for these cars' chassis.
The NC2's 2.0L shares that rev-happy characteristic, and it sounds pretty good for what it is as well. You get a great intake resonance at around 4,000-RPM, and then the last 500 RPM at the top of the tach really scream as you approach the rev limiter. It's an excellent, bulletproof motor that knows it isn't exotic or special, but it works hard and adds character where it can. However, it simply can't hold a candle to the 2.7L in the 981 -- Just a different level of specialness. Hope you continue to enjoy yours and excited to see your next production.
Wow - thank you for this comprehensive, generous comment!
I stumbled into your site trying to decide between an MX-5 or Boxster and have thoroughly enjoyed the breadth of your car, photograph and life building content. Keep up the great work Peter!
Thank you, John!
I own a 2018 MX-5 Club. I have driven a 996 911 & 981 Boxter, and a 718 Cayman GTS. I was going to buy a Boxter until I drove the 981. It just feels so heavy and sterile compared to my MX-5.
I know what you mean - it’s a different kind of machine, with a lot more heft. I actually appreciate that on long drives when there are extended freeway or country road stretches before getting to the winding sections. The steering ratio is also quite a bit slower than the MX5, so that certainly contributes to the heavier feel. For where it excels, nothing beats the MX5. It’s brilliant.
2 of my friends had engines broken on Porsche Boxsters. My mx5 is 22 years old and run perfectly…it is more en essential car but was built with reliability as purpose too,in addition to fun😊
It’s likely they were pre-2009 cars, Olivier, which had IMS bearing issues. This affected Boxster, Cayman and 911. The IMS bearing was redesigned for 2009 onward, and they’ve been bulletproof ever since. The MX5 was bulletproof from day one. Mind you, quite a few ND MX5s suffered manual gearbox failure on second gear. Some owners went through three gearboxes.
@@PETERFRITZPHOTOwhy are affordable but well built and reliable sports cars and sporty cars like the civic si and integras called shitboxes when they are better built and last longer and can even make more power and perform on track with simple mods than alot of actual full on rwd sports cars but everybody calls them shitboxes anyways but not their posh brands like porshe and bmw when things go wrong at like 100k miles and the value is gone 😂 thats not a shitbox apparently ? Like both have there pros and cons but im tired of seeing how toxic people are about cars and make it a class thing even tho you can buy like 2 older running driving bmw 328's for the same price of a freaking civic 😂
@@repingers9777 I’ve never thought of them as shitboxes. I spent a few years selling them (back when the Integra VTiR, Prelude VTi, and NSX were new), and I loved Honda’s cars.
@@PETERFRITZPHOTO haha i have a 220k mile 2001 prelude type sh and actually out of all hondas after having mine for 2 years i can call it a shitbox 🤣
but its still indestructible, gearbox still perfect and the engine refuses to die even tho ive misshifted to 11,000 rpm one time still revs to 8000 and makes most of that 200hp it had new. Unfortunately letting it sit in oregon it had a mold issue from a water leak that messed up the otherwise great interior car my fault for negligence.
@@PETERFRITZPHOTOfrom a specific build in 2009, the IMS bearing was completely removed from the motor design in the boxster, cayman and 911 997 base and S models Interestingly, it was rare, almost non existent for a 986 or 987 2.7 to experience either ims or bore scoring failures.
I enjoyed your video very much. I had an 89 MX5 for 10 years.
It saw me through some tough years as well. I had a 987.1 cayman which I loved. I also agree the 981 is a huge step forward particularly in compliance and interior quality. I agree the 4.0 GTS looks great on paper. Not sure we have roads for it with that gearing in Australia. Depends where you live I guess. Great to see you enjoying your cars!
Love it. Great video.
Great video. I just can’t imagine parting with my 2013 Boxster S, it’s the best car I’ve ever driven. The only way I can justify it is that makes me smile every time I look at it or drive it.
Both very good reasons. 🙂
I feel you are totally missing what Mazda is intending to. You do not talk about weight difference. There is no such thing as upgrading from MX5 to Boxter. They are totally different cars with different concept. MX5 is light weight sports car. Boxster is too heavy. The only way to upgrade MX5 is to change to Lotus. (Super-upgrade is to move to Caterham.) You just like open sports cars. If you can afford Ferrari you go for Ferrari. If you cannot afford, then Porsche. I enjoy driving my MX5 and Honda S2000, but I wish they are lighter. The lighter the car is, the more fun you enjoy. I still miss my Fiat 850 spider which I used to own 3 of them. Fiat has an engine without power, but the car was very light weight. It was such a joy to drive the car.
I get your point, Hiromi, but I suspect you've missed mine. The word 'upgrade' is subjective, and it's impacted by the metrics you choose to apply. I detailed what I considered the upgrades to be - for me. They included additional interior space, lower NVH levels, more storage, and a more exciting sound. I don't presume they're relevant to you. I've driven hundreds of cars - from Ladas to Lamborghinis. I don't care for Ferraris. I appreciate Porsche engineering. I value handling and steering over horsepower. My tastes are my own, and yours are your own.
Great vid as always, but I think the word "upgrade" might trigger more than a few people - as it implies the Boxster is just a better version of the MX-5 in every way, which having seen the vid and heard you discuss steering, I'm don't believe even you think that to be the case. I can read between the lines and understand it was an "upgrade" for you, in that the Boxster offers more of what you're seeking in a sports car - solidity, emotion, and "specialness" - but I don't think most viewers are going to be able to get that without jumping to a knee jerk angry response. Hope I'm wrong.
As a 992 911 owner, I absolutely agree with your conclusions on the Boxster/Cayman. As a pure drivers car, the 981/982(718) Boxster/Cayman is absolutely a step up from an MX5 in most ways, and is definitely superior to a new 911 - which I think has given up on being a pure drivers car for the road, and instead uses complexity in engineering (RAS, PDCC, etc.) and sheer performance to compete with supercars beyond it's price point. You've driven a C2S like mine, so you know how needlessly, unusably fast they are anywhere outside a racetrack. Older 911s are more of an apples to apples comparison with the Boxster/Cayman - but then, not on value - which the Boxster/Cayman wins again. It's very hard for anyone who's driven the cars you have and knows the Aussie market to claim you've made the wrong choice.
Hey, Sasha - thanks for the comprehensive and generous contribution. You might be right regarding people’s response, but as always, these are my own personal feelings based on my own circumstances and experiences. I agree with your sentiments around the current crop of 991’s. I adore it, and would love to park a GT3 Touring in my garage - mostly for that incredible engine, and it’s iconic looks. But as you stated, it’s mostly overkill as a road car on Australia’s roads. Thanks for chiming in again. 👍
Yes, perhaps the 997 is a better comparison to a 981 s? At least in size, althought the 997 will still be more of a raw experience
@@Jay-xr3sb Sure, but this is about selling my MX5 to get a Boxster.
An upgrade depends on what your coming from and to what your going to. For this man, it was an upgrade. For someone else, a minivan may be the upgrade lol.
To be fair, the miata and the porsche are two completely different cars serving two different purposes. One is intentionally a cheap, light and small convertible intended to be a toy to drive raw. Comforts and luxuries being an afterthought. The other is a GT car by definition where the luxuries and comforts were always on mind. It's still a convertible yet very light for a GT car though.
Personal opinion: The miata is for those who enjoy driving and like to have that adrenaline rush from the drive without needing to go 100+ mph or floor it every time just to feel something. While the boxter is for the same crowd, but don't mind trading in some of that adrenaline rush for practicality and comfort so they can do more with the car than just take it out for the weekend.(road trips, for example)
@@PETERFRITZPHOTO I understand, just replying to the OP on 991 comparisons he was making, 911 was also referenced by you
Thanks Pete.
Thanks for watching, John.
Excellent video. The bark of the NA flat six start-up is almost iconic and with PSE sound glorious. Consider a 981 GTS with PTV, PSE and SC. I've always felt it was right sized for a lot of Australian roads, I still have one in the shed amongst a few other interesting "toys".
Thank you. I think GTS is where I'm headed next.
You misspelled downgrading in the title
For you, perhaps. Not me.
There's no such thing as upgrading from an MX-5.
Depends on the meaning you attach to the word 'upgrade'. It means different things to me in my 50's vs my 20's.
Very well presented. Thank you. 🙂
Well described! got all of them mx5, Boxster and 911, in fact Boxster is most practical sweet spot for lower budget😊
VERY nice! Good on you, Alexander! 👍
500 comments as of today - awesome. I did almost exactly what you did. I had a 2016 ND Brembo Club. Loved it with all my heart. The car's abilities matched mine as a driver, and I had many a tail-out fun times with that car here in LA in the canyons, and elsewhere. But, the traffic during my daily commute was wearing me out with the manual, despite its lightweight and fun nature. I finally pulled the trigger on a 2014 981 Boxster S, PDK (paddles). Just like the one in your pinup picture - silver with red interior. My Boxster is WAY more car than I am driver. Finding the limits of that car is challenging and beyond my comfort zone. It's a more substantial a car in every way. The engine runs SMOOTHER the more you climb up the revs. It's gorgeous. The PDK makes me giggle almost every time I shift. But, I still miss my fun little Miata. The perfect solution? Have both! LOL. Thank you for a thoughtful video. Those of us that have had both, well, it' a special club for sure.
Haha! I feel the same, Richard. The MX5 definitely has a hold on me, too. Ideally, I’d have a mint NA with updated suspension, and keep it until I die. Thanks for dropping by. 👍
Both are beautiful cars!
Absolutely!
Back many years ago, my mum used to own a 2001 Boxster and whenever I drove it around corners it was extremely confidence inspiring and felt super planted. I used to drive riced up Honda's with aftermarket turbos and the like so way faster cars with loads of mods, but none felt as planted.
Haha - I haven’t heard ‘riced up’ in decades! But yes, the Boxster was a revelation right from the beginning. 👍
987.2 is a dream. 2.9litre base with pdk and sport exhaust and sports chrono. Will be a classic and hard to get soon.
Your car love affair stories and videos are always fun! I would love to have any of those! You would laugh at what I am currently driving - a really old Mazda pickup! At least I didn't forget how to drive a stick from my younger days! I borrowed it when my rental insurance maxed out. My Honda has been in the shop for months (following an accident) waiting for parts from the land of the rising sun, a problem a lot of folks are experiencing these days.
Thanks, Juanita. I always enjoy hearing from you. I love all cars, including beat up ones that refuse to quit. My wife’s car is a bit like that. Very true re parts shortages - it’s still a huge problem here, too. Take care, luv. xo
I love these base model Porsche videos. Base Porsches are all you need to really enjoy them on the streets.
100%. More power is occasionally exciting, most mostly unusable. And a danger to your license!
Great vid!
I did the budget reverse switch back in the ninties. I went from a 944 (which I loved) to an NA MX-5... Which I loved even more! Just waiting for the kids to leave home and hopefully, it'll be time for a Boxster. And if I can't afford it, it'll be an ND MX-5.
Thank you, Valisk. The 944 was a brilliant car - I drove quite a few of them (and later, a few 968s). Thanks for dropping by.
Great video. I have a Cayman GTS but always fancied an MX5. I think the Cayman/Boxster are just small enough to feel just right on the road and remain amazing fun
I agree. Any bigger, and they’d lose that sense of agility. The MX5 feels even more alive - especially with some sensible suspension mods. If I had another couple of garage spaces, I reckon I’d fill one with an original NA MX5.
Great Video
Thanks, Nad.
Very enjoyable review Peter. We had a Gen 3 MX-5 as our first sports car and loved it's honest simplicity. Encouraged by the idea we could use it as a 2nd car all year round we got a 987 Boxster - which as you say was 150% of the MX-5 money. Subsequently we traded that for a 987.2 in white.
You summed it up bang on as "Special". That's what the 987.2 was. Everytime I got in I felt special, when I started it up it sounded special and the way it drove was special. Truly an emotional connection with a lump of metal ! I almost vried when we sold it and after a few years abroad without a 2 seater convertible, we have returned to the UK and bought an ND MX-5. The main reason to go back to an MX-5 was the running costs. As everything has gone up so much I found it hard to justify 3000 miles per year in another Boxster. Insurance, fuel, servicing are so much lower on the Mazda and %age depreciation are about the same.
My summary is that we feel 90% special in the Mazda at 50% of the cost and if you want the best sports car in it's class (and have the budget) don't hesitate to own either of these automotive legends. I think you can trade either way with these two cars and they will make you feel Special 😁😁
That last sentence, Tony, is very insightful. I totally agree. Thanks for watching. 👍
Very good Peter…..as an mx5 owner, i may start looking!!!
Thanks, David. 👍
EXCELLENT video. 10/10.
THANK YOU for your views and comments.
THANK YOU for keeping it REAL. No bull crap. No stupid background music.!
Very Much APPRECIATED.
(I must review these '987.1 Boxster's'!!! Got me thinking!!!)
Thanks again.
Regards sir.
(Sorry, 987.2)
That’s very generous of you, Terry - thank you!
My first video of yours and the quality is top notch !
Thank you, Enver!
When my 2005 987 5-speed hit 90 K , living with the IMS BEARING FEAR and needing new $$$ brake rotors, I sold it in 2019. I bought a new MX-5 ND2 with the Bimbro Racaro option. The MX makes more smiles when thrashing in the mountains but, not so much elsewhere. Now that I am 75, and slowing down a bit, it’s time for another 6-cylinder Boxster. PDK this time.
That’s the spirit. Just make sure you get a post-2009 model. 👍
I loved this video! Because I did the same thing. Just a bit earlier. My first car out of college was a ‘93 Miata. Some years go by and I ordered an ‘02 Boxster. Most of the same things that Peter said applied to my change. The main reason I upgraded the Miata was that the 93 Miata was very underpowered, Mazda fix this in later versions but the 93 Miata is just not powerful.
When comparing the two, I still feel the Miata handled slightly better. I’ve never driven any other car that handles as well as the Miata. Not even a 911.
The Boxster is a bigger, more comfortable car to sit in and to drive. If I didn’t get a haircut my hair would brush against the roof of the Miata. Even my base model has a fair amount of power.
I love the Boxster and I've thought about upgrading from my S2000 several times. Twenty years on, I still have the S2000, but the next car in line has always been the Boxster.
The S2000 is an icon. Certainly nothing wrong with keeping it forever.
Nice video ! Hello from France !
Thank you, Sean.
I just purchased a 2002 986 Boxster and can hardly believe how much fun it is!
Haha - good for you!! 😄🎉
Really enjoyed watching this video and I can totally relate. My first sports car when I developed the means to get one was a new 997.2 carrera S cab that was pdk and it was a tremendous introduction to high end cars. Over the years I got into many other cars as well my tastes evolved, but when the ND miata came out I was able to get a manual launch edition to relive the pure driving joy of a convertible sports car. There were many things I loved about it, but the body roll and less powerful engine sometimes left me wanting. But it had a lightness and playfulness that I think you relate well in your video. I parted with that car just before the pandemic, and for a while I had longed for another convertible. Now finally I was able to get a manual 718 boxster GTS 4.0, and it really is a perfect blend of my first two convertibles and clearly in a very sweet spot. Speaking as a person who can pretty much get whatever car he wants, I can say that there really isn't any convertible sports car like the boxster.
Very well done video! I watched it and thought "this man just gets it."
Thank you for sharing your insights, here - I very much enjoyed them. And thanks for the kind words.
that 2013 981 is stunning!
Thanks! I had a 987.1 Boxster for 5 years. Loved it. Considering a 987.2 Box or Cay vs a ND Miata. Currently own a CX5 and a 3, and also love them. Such a first world dilemma, but i can't decide.
True indeed!! The ND is brilliant, but it’s smaller, tighter, less practical, and less melodious than the Boxster.
Fantastic video and I’ve owned both cars and couldn’t agree any more.
Love them both,but the Porsche just has that something special.
Thank you, Jamie!
I was washed my 981 BS today and the design of it is still absolutely sublime. 🙂
Totally. I still turn back and look at mine every time I park it.
You are not alone. I have an heavily modified M240i as my daily, had an MX5 NC for summer fun and finally bought few months ago an 718 Boxster T just for the reason that I might be to old to drive it when I can comfortably afford it 🙂
I am over 6" so for me, it should have always been a Boxster since I never felt comfortable in the MX5. The Boxster is just the right size for me.
A very nice video. I recently test drove a 718 GTS 4.0 (and an MX-5) and didn't really like it as much as I thought I would. In Europe the overzealous emission regulations have strangled the engine to the extent that it was very droney and almost headache inducing, so much so that it put me off Boxsters but then I was fortunate enough to drive a 981 Spyder and that is utterly brilliant in every way, sounds amazing and I think is peak Porsche. You already have the best generation, stick with that but upgrade to a higher spec.
Interesting insight. Thanks for sharing, mate. 👍
Very nice video
Thank you.
Brilliant review 👍🏻 I also love roadsters. Had a Z3 and an SLK from de 90’s and I’m also a Porsche lover not full convinced about the value of the 911 now that I have 45 and know a little bit more about what a car is about.
Thanks a lot, Alberto! I remember driving a Z3 in the deserts surrounding Las Vegas in 1996, and pretending I was James Bond! The SLK is a great car, too (my dad's dream car). Thanks for dropping by. :-)
Well spoken in every way. You could compare onions, and it would probably sound thoughtful and intuitive. I tip my hat. Well done.
LOL - thank you. I thoroughly relate to your user name - Good Days Ahead.
Let me summarize my many thoughts on this topic. Granted this is all my opinion.
Best car I have ever driven on track was a 981 Cayman GTS PDK. The precision of this car far exceeded my capability. This car is still my benchmark when testing other cars and in my opinion one of the best cars ever made.
I owned a 1999 Mazda Miata (MX-5) 5 speed manual (one of the best manual) with the lsd and a hard dog roll bar. This car was fun at any speed, lightweight (2,299lbs) and the hydraulic steering gave me all the road texture I could ever want.
My conclusion is buy what you can afford and Just Drive. Cheers and it was a great video.
Couldn’t agree more, mate. My shitty Holden Gemini with cheap-arse add-ons gave me HUGE joy in the 80’s. Everything is relative. By all means strive; but enjoy what you have in the moment. 👊
@@PETERFRITZPHOTOIf you want a great mountain road to take a fun car on come over for a visit. I live at the base of Pikes Peak here is Colorado Springs, lots of twisty mountain roads.
I had the same wallpaper on my desktop. 😁
Absolutely bang on with your comparison. I drive the NB2 and just bought a 986 2.5L. Still tormenting over having to sell my NB because of the lack of garage space (4 cars! 1 for the Mrs. and 3 for me). I will really miss the MX-5 gearbox. In comparison the 986's throw is really long and not as much fun going through the gears. In contrast to many of the comments that were made so far about maintenance cost being a deciding factor in choosing one over the other, I maintain all my cars myself so repair costs is a mute point from me. I did the clutch, timing, radiator, brakes etc on the NB and I am currently replacing the clutch and IMS bearing on the 986. The bearing was wornout! Disaster averted just in time.
Great to hear from you, John. Oh wow, sounds like you got lucky with the IMS bearing! My wife and I try to be fair, so she has two, and I have two! But mine are much better than hers!!
Love the 'surround sound" at 7:20. :)
Yay - someone noticed!! That was shot on a drone with a 77mm lens, and a stereo field recorder perched on a fence post. I had to do a few passes at different levels to make sure I didn’t blow the audio. How’s life, Troy?
@@PETERFRITZPHOTO Sounded cool.
Will shoot you an email this week. Super busy/productive/proactive these past few weeks. Things are good and looking better. :)
@@TroySwezey Great to hear, old boy!