Thanks Mike! After watching this video around two years ago, I was born again. These arguments really landed home with me and has changed my life for the better. I was in a dark place but now I’m pulling out of it. Thank you, I am grateful of you for bringing me closer to God!
May God bless you! Now that we know we can trust His Word, we should recognize the below: For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12 ESV)
@@SilverSixpence888 there must be a reason you watch this channel. It is evident he teaches apologetics along with with his ministry. What are you searching for. I can assure you he speaks truth to the best of his ability. Stick with him. You won't be sorry. You'll see.
Thks Sir Mike Winger. You have provided a study room for me to learn at the Master Jesus Feet through your videos. May God feed and His Spirit teach you to help His children learn of the Bible. God bless you in Jesus name Sir, amen!
Thank you for making these videos, Mike. I can't tell you how much your work has helped me. I pray for intellect and wisdom daily so that God may use me to further His Kingdom. I was led to your videos and after viewing many of them I can tell it is of God. Thank you, again! 😊
This is absolute insanity to think that such a detailed prophecy came to pass. This is good evidence for the world that the Bible is true. Everything came true in such detail it's unimaginable. Thanks Mike!
Yet tyre exists today... Rebuild by Alexander the great... Like he said in the first video in the series. One failed prophecy and you throw out all that comes from that "prophet".
@@dpollard5286 The Ancient City was rebuilt very quickly. Not to mention that the prophecy is clearly about Nebuchadnezzar and the many nations of his the Neo-Babylonian Empire
@@tomasrocha6139 except the ancient city is under water and Nebuchadnezzar was only one of the many nations which is clear if you take the entire passage together as one prophecy.
@@dpollard5286 It's still inhabited today and Nebuchadnezzar King of Kings was King of the many nations that were to destroy it forever, it says he will put them to the sword.
It has all the trappings you have stated. Some of you are just opposed to the Bible and will dig anything to oppose it. One day we all will give an account to God.
@@DunstanStLuce Which god? Allah. Zeus? What I am saying is that there is no evidence of it all. These so called fulfilled prophesies are either vague, sometimes even wrong and often written after the fact. But since you are so invested in your believe you cannot (for fear of hell) even consider this possibility. Religion really has people in a choke hold.
@@Peter_Scheen fear of hell. If we had fear of hell then all Christian would go to hell because we would become self absorbed with fear. We would only be thinking about our selves instead of doing good because of what God did to us. Fear will never work
Hi Mike! Great video! Not sure if you'll see this but if you do more historical analysis videos in the future would you be able to include some of your sources in the video description?
From this prophecy, it seems like God pits his enemies against each other. Also, it’s apparent that being Gods enemy is very dangerous. I hope that everyone can overcome their own sinful natures to spare all of the pain and suffering. The prize of rebelliousness, being false and pompous pride, is not worth the agony of justice.
I was raised Christian. I became an atheist at 25. I eventually became a Christian again after much soul searching, philosophy of consciousness, big bang, and Habermas' minimum facts argument. Part of my original deconversion was thinking the prophecies were all garbage. I'm so curious to revisit this now years later. I'm agnostic going in and don't feel like its needed for the truth of Christianity, but it will be fun to see arguments for true prophecy.
When I was deconverting it was because of Nebuchadnezzar being the one who destroys Tyre. I never noticed "Like waves of the sea" or thought to interpret it as different advances. Already looking forward to this one.
I've learned how to read ancient Hebrew since becoming a Christian again. I see it in my Hebrew Bible. "vehaaleiti alich Goyim Rabim kehaalot hayam legalav." will rise against you many nations like how rises up the waves of the sea.
@@debblouin Right. "Entering the gates" might have been ancient slang for "conquering". I'm still not fully committed either way, but I lean toward it being an accurate prophecy probably 70/30 after watching his video. My testimony is in my channel.
Whether Tyre was actually rebuilt or not isn't really an issue, because Alexander was only the third wave. (Darius III was the second wave, albeit a little one). Many nations (waves) were prophesied to go against Tyre. The final nation or wave may actually be Israel because Tyre is mentioned as one of the members of the Psalm 83 conflict that Israel will defeat in the last days.
Ty Mike for all your work. I know the Lord is working through you to reach many. This episode is hard to hear. The audio is a little muffled. But always great teaching. Always there to build up not tear down
Love your stuff tho, thank you so much for these. I am still trying to figure out how so many denominations get this stuff wrong and add things that are just simply not in the bible. Like billions of people claiming to follow Christ and they never crack open the best book ever written .
Hello Mike! Thanks for the videos you're making to defend the Bible 😉. I've a question, do you know any book/s that does collect the most certain Bible prophecies and their historical fulfillment? Thanks in advance.
The prophet Zechariah prophesied Tyre's destruction as well in Zechariah 9:3-4 and he was definitely living after Nebuchadnezzar's siege of Tyre. This prophecy in Zechariah 9:3-4 must be an affirmation of Ezekiel 26 and at the same time refer to the destruction of Tyre by the hands of Alexander the Great in 332BC. If people doubt if Ezekiel was predicting the destruction of Tyre by Alexander, then just read Zechariah 9:3-4 and be assured that's what God meant in Ezekiel 26. Compare Ezekiel 26:19 with Zechariah 9:4, both times it mentions that God Himself will take care of the destruction of Tyre, he didn't depend on Nebuchadnezzar to fulfill that. Moreover Zechariah definitely lived before the time of Alexander the Great so this is a clear example of fulfilled prophecy in the old testament.
Mike, lovely video as alawys. You're truly a blessing to the Christian community. Could we have the sources you used to build your argument. Need it for a project.
What’s funny about the reconstruction of tyre, is that the last verse of Ezekiel 26 says that, “I will bring terrors on you and you will be no more; though you will be sought (Tyre), you will never be found again,” declares the Lord GOD.” EZEKIEL 26:21 NASB emphasis added We see that Tyre will be sought after, but the true Tyre will never exist again.
What city and church do you pastor at? I heard on previous video (I think?) that you’re in Southern California? We’re in San Diego....where are you preaching from?
There is one thing that had bothered me for a long time and that's the statement that Neb. came from the North. Well, Babylon is nearly due east of Israel and Tyre so how could that be? Well, upon further investigation, the way I understand it is that Neb. ATTACKED from the north. He came from Babylon and took his troops on a north route and then went nearly directly south, therefore, he came from the north! Wow.
Mike's quote - "I know this world is in a dark place right now and it's getting a lot darker, a lot quicker. It sure has, certainly here in our country." Seeing that this was filmed in 2016 - Looking back on 2016 now, in 2024, 2016 seemed lame by comparison. Just an observation. Thanks, Mike, for all the well organized teachings. I use a lot of your quotes in my notes in Logos to refer back to.
This was a GREAT overview about what happened at Tyre! I did not know these things Mike, thanks! Very cool info. I suggest EVERYONE scroll down and read the comments from pinecreek and the dialogue with Mike.. it's painful but useful insight into the mind of a non-believer. From what I have heard in a past video, Doug (pinecreek) said his wife is a _believer_ so let's pray for them both! (For her strength and for God to grant him repentance unto the acknowledging of the truth.)
Deteronomy 18:20 but the prophet who presumes to speak a word my name that I have not commanded him to speak,or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die. Once again God proves his majesty through profecy I really love these series.
There is one fact that is ignored by everyone I've ever heard and every map of the causeway I've seen. After the first causeway was destroyed, the second causeway was NOT built in the same spot. They moved further north and came at it from a different angle so it would stand up to the waves by directing more into it, instead of the waves hitting the side of it. [The strong winds and waves came from a southwesterly direction.] So a map with the causeway going straight from the mainland to the island in a horizontal fashion as shown in the map that was referenced is not correct, it never made it out to the island. "The king set to work on a fresh mole [causeway], but now he aimed it directly into the head-wind, instead of side-on to it, so that the front offered protection to the rest of the work which, as it were, sheltered behind it." from Quintus Curtius Rufus, The History of Alexander, Book 4, Chapter 3, verse 8. [Page 57 of the Penguin Classics book]
That's very interesting! So are you saying Alexander's causeway was destroyed and he had to rebuild it? Is that the king referenced in the book quote you gave?
@@patticarey9016 Yes, Alexander was the king mentioned. What I've always thought was kind of funny is that the original causeway was destroyed while Alexander was away. I can just imagine those left in charge thinking, "Oh man, he's going to be so angry when he gets back. We're going to be in so much trouble."
A very nice and informative talk on Tyre. Except for that mention of the Watchtower as they never prophesied in a sens of making their own prophesies. The only interpreted the Bible did or that way expressing their expectations. Even the apostles made such mistakes. As for the Tyre bit, a very well prepared talk. Thank you.
Hey Adam, I'm not sure if you saw Part 1 of this (it's a separate video), but Mike talked a lot more about the Watchtower in that video! Just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to check it out.
I had the extreme pleasure of debating this prophecy ad nauseum :-) It seems like you took the time to investigate the apologetic responses to this prophecy, unfortunately you did not add anything new. With that in mind, I hope you don’t mind a few questions or comments. Is it your stance that Alexander fulfilled the prophecy? Can you tell me what year Ezekiel made the prophecy? And the years Nebuchadnezzar was battling Tyre? Tie those years together if you could. I’m kind of curious how Ezekiel prophecy would make the assertion that Neb and his army would be paid in the plunder of Tyre... but then would admit that “every head was rubbed bear and every shoulder rubbed raw”... and they received no reward! AND admit to the failure to destroy tyre. Was this written as a prophecy? If so, how did Ezekiel know Neb failed? The prophecy went on to state that since Neb and his army failed, they would reap the reward of the destruction of Egypt... As for a “Place to spread fishing nets”... it is an Island nation! It was always a place to spread their fishing nets. I guess my biggest question above is if you think Alexander fulfilled the prophecy but your thoughts on the rest would be great.
Couple criticisms: 1) Why is it that the only individual/nation that god was able to specifically name was one (nebuchadnezzar/babylon) that the author would have had knowledge of and the events attributed to this individual were ones that could possibly have been taking place during the writing? 2) 'The current city of tyre is not exactly the same layout, a perfect replica, or constructed from exactly the same materials as the city of tyre during a specific period of time'. Seriously?!
Hey Mike, I have used this video in the creation of my own video and do not worry I am not copying it word for word but more using it for a base of study so I know exactly what to study though the idea of requirement I want to use again it really is a base for study and I hope you are okay in fact the video is not just about prophecy but about ten reasons God is real at the moment I have science and prophecy and the series I will be doing is called ten'd and is basically a evangelical Top 10's list focusing on God and the bible and I hope to be able to use your content and other peoples content as a foundation for study and will 100% promote your channel on mine when the first video is released hopefully around September but maybe later or earlier depending on how fast I can get it out if you are interested I already have three videos up so you can go and have a look and maybe even become an avid viewer of Our (mine and Gods) Content. may Jesus bless your holy ministry amen.
This is a fantastic story! Thank you for covering it. I first heard it years ago in a homeschool presentation by Diana Waring. Absolutely amazing story even without the addition of God giving the prophecy of it in the Bible. So faith building! Also I appreciate greatly greatly the closed captioning which is not available on many of your videos especially the earlier ones. I have been watching through your early videos as well as trying to keep up with your current content, and then blessed by both! Thank you so much for what you do.
Question. Why do some of the newer bibles leave out some verses? I bought an NIV and there are some verses missing from it. Its frustrating. I bought the NIV because i can understand it better than the King James.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr The problem with the Acts 8:37 passage is that it never existed in the oldest most reliable manuscripts that we have today. We believe that it was tucked in some time later. You actually don't need a good grip on Early Greek to figure this out for yourself, you just need to know the early Greek alphabet and you can see for yourself that looking at the oldest biblical manuscripts and comparing them to a modern Greek translation, that this verse is simply not there. I'm not trying to through Gods word under the bus here, I still am confident that it is better than 99.5% accurate. There just seems to be a few passages that were never in the earliest manuscripts. In this case in particular, it did not appear in about a dozen of our most reliable manuscripts and codices. The KJV had just 7 or 8 Greek manuscripts to build with but they were not old enough to spot this problem that we are talking about. Anyhow, the KJV is actually a great translation and it fairs well against the NIV in that the NIV had the problem of having to satisfy many different protestant church doctrines in order to fulfil its role as an International version, where it was hoped to be used throughout a diverse church crowd with slightly varying beliefs. There was a friend of the family that worked on the NIV as an old testament scholar(1st edition 1970s) and amongst the conversations that I overheard, he seemed to be indicating that there were many heated debates over the English wording of some passages in order for all of the churches to be satisfied with the NIV. The NIV is probably considered one of the worst translations of that era for this one reason. Simply put, no translation is perfect but even the NIV is good enough to lead a man or woman to life saving salvation in Jesus Christ alone.
Allah says in the Quran that if the Quran was not from god then there would be many contradictions found in the Quran: Quran 4:82 - “the Quran? If it had been from other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction.” The following are a few of the contradictions found in the Quran: Quran 3:3-4; 3:93; 6:92; 6:115; 18:27; 5:43; 5:46; 5:47; 5:65; 5:68; 10:94; 29:46 - all affirm the divine inspiration, preservation, and authority of Christian scriptures - and yet Quran 5:17; 5:72; 5:73; 5:75; 5:116; 4:157 say that Jesus is not God and that Jesus did not die on the cross, contradicting what the Christian scriptures say. This contradiction is so significant that it has come to have its own name: ‘The Islamic Dilemma’. Allah created man “out of a clot of blood” (Quran 96:2) Allah created man “from water” (Quran 21:30) Allah created man “from a small seed” (Quran 16:4) Allah created man “from mud” (Quran 15:26) Allah created man “out of nothing” (Quran 19:67) It took Allah 6 days to create the universe (Quran 7:54) It took Allah 8 days to create the universe (Quran 41:9-12) Allah created the earth first - and then the heavens (Quran 2:29) Allah created the heavens first - and then the earth (Quran 79:27-30)
Also let's discuss waves. What do waves do? One comes in then a moment after it subsides another does, then another, then another. It isn't just something that hapoens twice with a huge pause between them. The "many nations" part failed too, there was what 2... That is more than 1, but when is 2 considered to be "many"? I have heard it called "couple" , or even "few" , but never "many".
Later the Romans took the area. Later the Byzantines. Later the Ottomans. None of those nations add to the details given but there have been waves. Your trying real hard to make it not work but its actually pretty incredible. Don't let cognitive dissonance keep you from acknowledging how uncannily similar the prophecy is to history.
I imagine Ill look this up at some point but from the 1930 picture it doesn't look to me like the island is underwater. Google earth shows remnants of the old city. Some of them Roman but looks like other older ruins.
Not that I've found in Hebrew anyways. The dead sea scrolls is the oldest of biblical writings that I know of and they are from maybe the 3rd century BC at the oldest.
How can we be sure someone didn’t go back and edit the prophesies to make the prophecies accurate/true? We have no ORIGINAL copies of the Bible… therefore logically there is no way to prove that someone did not do that. Anyone have evidence or something I am missing that would prove that the copies of the Bible have not been doctored after the fact to make the prophesies accurate/true? I am coming here with an open mind, thanks
there are ultraaaaaaaa old scrolls that have been discovered around 1950-something if i remember correctly...🤔 and its discovered that they arent that different , the words always differ in translations but not in the message of it all ,, the messages stay the same and why would anyone edit that stuff and waste their time on something that they think its not true and then they have to edit it and take days and days to do it same with apostoles, why did they die for someone if all of it wasnt true? , and it says in one verse- if Jesus didnt rise defeating death then all of what prophets and ppl have been talking about is false And yet there are historical evidences tht cant be denied , many of them all pointing that Jesus existed and that his body wasnt found, 500 witnesses saw him rising ..He rised He defeated death and defeated sin , and now only if we give our life for Him and accept Him as our savior from death, will get eternal life and relationship with God
Allowing a few hundred years for anything bad to happen to the city does not work for me, Warfare was a constant in those times Jerusalem has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times. Go to aerial photographs of the City now and you will see it being densely populated, including the Courseqway that was never part of the city if anything the City expanded. And if there are parts now underwater, there are plenty of ancient cities now underwater - this is not exclusive to Tyre Also, Rome, Jerusalem, Berlin, and London are all cities that are considered Rebuild Cities, even if they do not look the same as before their destruction
Have you heard the arguments against this? Digital Hammurabi makes a strong case and it makes sense when I read the passage, that Nebachanezar should have destroyed the island of Tyre. I could even say in defense of Bible prophecy that as the waves of the sea could even mean the rise and fall of the tides , so not just individual waves, which can help explain the time gap between Nebachanezar and Alexander. But that seems like grasping at straws
I’m not convinced at all by his arguments. Firstly ‘many nations’ is brushed over and explained away by saying that’s the ‘hosts’. Many nations =\= hosts. Secondly he has hastorical proofs of the coastal Tyre being conquered in the past, therefor when the Pheno empire was at its strongest, that it would not have fortified this crucial coastal town against attack? It supplied the fresh water for the island Tyre. Discounting the fact that the prophecies were fulfilled, if only partially, with detail based on the weak arguments above and an atheists exegesis of text.
What translation of the Bible should I be reading and how will I know that the translation is accurate. Can you please answer asap as the only Bible I have read is the New World Translation. I am anxious to know the truth.
jill stephens there’s all different kinds and it gets complicated. Different Bible translations seek to give you a word for word translation or a thought for thought. ESV and NIV are some good ones though!
@jill Stephens: God bless you! The New World "translation" was put together very poorly and dishonestly by the Jehovah's Witness organization. You would benefit by reading from a more accurate translation such as ESV, NKJV, or CSB.
Anyone know where mike talks about the timing of when the prophesy was written vs the seige of tyre began? A google search puts ezekiel as active from 592-570BC and the seige at 586-573BC and I'm not knowledgeable enough to know exactly when 26 was written obviously it has to be provably dated to before the seige commenced for it to be convincing as prophesy... help please
I noticed the same thing. Ezekiel, along with the rest of Jerusalem were taken into Captivity by the same Nebuchadnezzar II that eventually sieged Tyre.
First off, thank you Mike. You are one of my favorite teachers and helped me tremendously early on in my learning of Scripture and still do aid me in my spiritual growth. The patron god of Tyre was Melqart. Melqart was considered the same as Herakles (Hercules) since at least the 6th century BC. Alexander was portrayed with a lion’s mane on his helmet like his hero Herakles. Denying Alexander the right to worship Herakles was more than just a blow to his pride. He is also said to have only spared those who took refuge in the temple to Melqart. The Persians (possibly the Assyrians) invented crucifixion. Alexander adopted this practice and is said to have crucified 2000 people on the beach around the island. Carthage, the ancient enemy of Rome that almost conquered her, also adopted crucifixion. Carthage was a Phoenician city said to be founded by Dido, the great grand niece of Jezebel. Rome likewise adopted crucifixion from the Phoenicians. Alexander the Great was vital to setting the stage for the coming of our Lord and Savior.
@@joshrichards9121 before I explain do you agree that looking at the verses before Isaiah 23:15 you can see similarities with the fall of Babylon in revelation?
@@joshrichards9121 70 years from the days of one king (pope ix who died in 1878) you have 70 years from that the great city (Babylon Jerusalem became a nation) 70 years from then is 2018 (document of human fraternity and Abrahamic family house) the description of both those things spearheaded by the pope fit perfectly the description of fornicate with the kingdoms(religions) of the world.
The problem is that if instead Tyre was conquered by a conventional siege in the year 800 AD with nothing special going on, you'd still consider this a fulfilled prophecy. The details only count if they help you, otherwise it's just figurative language. Somewhere in Ezekiel there's another prophecy about all of Egypt being completely depopulated for 40 years. That never happened, but it doesn't bother anyone, because prophecy is allowed to be as free and loose as can be
@@jezbread8111 The bible is full of prophecies with details that are just shrugged off as figurative language of wrath. If we hold them to Tyre standards, then they're all false prophecies
How do you explain it? Probably at the time of writing there was political discord between Tyre and lots of other cities, and they probably wanted the trade, so someone predicted what would happen, and got quite close... "Rebuilt" come on.. if your house burns down insurance won't pay out because you are not rebuilding your house in exactly the same way? Nonsense.
How the heck did Ezekiel knew the the city will be thrown into the sea? I mean at the people might have known that it was going to be destroyed but they did not know how. Ezekiel got it in detail what exactly will happen chronologically. People knew Nebby but they did not knew Alexander, only Ezekiel knew. Do you call the 2019 tyre rebuild? please! It is supposed to be queen of the seas it it was rebuilt, but it is not so it is a prophecy.
Again, a book is a pretty low bar for revelation, considering gods omni properties and I can think of a better system than writing a book, like revelation to everyone that ever exists. Everyone would have the same revelation and could easily compare notes...
Like you said in the first video, one failure means you throw out all prophecies from that prophet.... Now let's see... Tyre exists today. Rebuilt by Alexander the great... What was the last part of that prophecy? It will never be rebuilt?
The explanation of Neberkenezer doing all that was written can be explained simply... The agreed uoon dates of the writing of ezekiel and Neberkenezers assault on the city, both have a range of the 580s and 570s BCE... Maybe that part was written as it was happening... Writing current events does not a prophecy make...
It says nothing about being rebuilt the same or to the same level, just that it will never be rebuilt (period). This is all encompassing, which means there should be no tyre at all. A city and a car are not analogous in this case. A city that is smaller can still function as a city.
@@blusheep2 really? How? It makes no sense for a being of infinite knowledge and power to use an easily manipulated and misunderstood method of transmission like a book claimed to be its word, instead of an unambiguous method that would be clear to all regardless of education, language, access the info, etc?
Yeah, unfortunately we had a lot of technical problems that day. We record with two different good quality mics and both of those recordings failed. I had to use the audio from the cameras which is really lousy. Sorry about that.
Of course it's from many nations. Alexander may have been one emptor but of a ruling empire of several other fallen kingdoms. USSR was an empire and look what was left from them. Nothing but countries or republics.
Not only Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the city of Tyre. Otherwise, Zechariah (from after the Babylonian captivity) could not have prophesied about the destruction of Tyre in ch. 9:2-5.
I think that what he meant is that some of these prophesies just have not happened yet, verses what you are implying, which is that perhaps some of these prophesies will never ever happen. I could say that time is what is needed, but really I think more accurately you would have to read through these writings of Ezekiel to evaluate what portion of his prophesies have come to pass and then make a decision on this question to do with the rest of them. We've had 2600 years since then and a lot of archeology, though obviously God seems to live quite a long time.
And how do we know that the text was actually written as is before the events happened? Didn't you say in the previous video in the series that a prophecy that happened in the same generation was not up to your proof standard? I'm pretty sure I heard that from Pt 1.
Oh I just saw you addressing that point a couple minutes after I wrote this. You address people saying "he wrote it as it was already unfolding" Your refutation is: "I don't think that's the case." That's not really proof, it's just something you think.
Actually, if those text was wrote after the fall of Tyre there would be no 'vague' prophecies thing, such as being debated by some people that this prophecies was actually failed. So, the debate about this 'Tyre' thing was failed prophecies was actually proved that this text not produced after the event. If you want to produce a fake prophecies, why produce a vague and debatable one? It would be Better to produce clear and less controversial one.
The prophecies of Jesus and Israel going back into it's land in 1948 also prove the Bible was written by God. There are also Bible codes that prove the Bible was written by God. Sandy Armstrong, S4C, gives countless information proving the Bible was written by God. The end of world prophecies we see today also prove the Bible was written by God. Jesus is coming back.
15:50 You don’t get to just say, “I don’t think that’s the case,” and move on without any further explanation! You are trying to provide EVIDENCE for the Bible. So what historical evidence LEADS YOU to say you don’t think that’s the case?
I agree with you. I feel like he really could have gone into more detail about why he didn't believe it to be the case. However I think he may have been saying that the credibility was sustained based on the accuracy of the rest of the prophecy which took place centuries later in addition to everything that involved Nebuchadnezzar.
@@TrainerSpyro Despite the fact that the scholarly consensus is that Daniel was written centuries later. It IS pretty easy to make prophesies about things that have already happened.
Ezekiel prophecies the specific actions of attacks against tyre would take place, and then afterwards tyre would never be rebuilt These actions have taken place, and now modern day tyre is not rebuilt as it doesn't hold many of the qualities that the tyre which was destroyed had, including the actual land itself, because a bunch of it is now sunken in the water.
@@Monkey-si2uo When the OT says that Jerusalem will be rebuilt, but it ends up being built in the wrong place with the wrong materials and nowhere near its original might, that is considered fulfilled prophecy. But when Tyre is prophesied to never be rebuilt, and it is rebuilt in the same fashion as Jerusalem was, that is also considered fulfilled? Pick one! Either any rebuilding is considered being totally rebuilt, or it isn’t.
America was a land of nations. Then Europe took it as their own. Civilizations vanished. They are gone and we are not those nations even if we name ourselves after a vanished civilisation. We just repopulated their land.
Ezekiel 26:14 on its own is enough to discredit this prophesy. This line says Tyre will never be rebuilt, but it is indeed a city in Lebanon today, with an estimated 200,000 people in 2016.
This is simply a misunderstanding of the text. The text doesn’t say that a new city wouldnt be built upon the rubble of Tyre, it specifically says Tyre will never be rebuilt. And this is true. Tyre, as it was, was lost forever. The new city that was eventually rebuilt upon the ruins took some inspiration from Tyre, but was itself an entirely new and different city
@@dr.malprac3746 I didn't know that there was a time limit to rebuild a city, well, I'm positive that even if nothing had happened to Tyre whatsoever, you would say "but the ancient people from Tyre are all dead, therefore that means ancient Tyre is gone", genius.
I understand what you are all saying, but Tyre was a very specific city with a specific function. Take Washington DC for example. If a foreign country were to invade and destroy the capital of the US, and destroy us as a country so that for all intents and purposes the USA was wiped from the face of the Earth, and then some time later erect a new city in the same spot, could we honestly say that Washington DC, as we knew it, had been rebuilt? Of course not. The new city has completely different meaning, structure, function, leadership, and importance. Even if they named it the same, it wouldn’t be the same city. The same is true for Tyre. THE city of Tyre, with all of its meaning, uniqueness, power, reputation, leadership, culture, and so on, was never rebuilt once it was destroyed and a lot of it cast into the sea
Quran 5:67 - Allah said to Muhammad: “O Messenger! Convey that which has been sent down unto thee from thy Lord, and if thou dost not, thou wilt not have conveyed His message. And God will protect thee from mankind.” Here Allah says that if Muhammad wass a true and honest prophet then Allah would protect Muhammad from ALL humans - but Allah didn't protect him from all humans - because Muhammad was poisoned by a Jewish woman and died because of it: Sahih Muslim 5430 - “A Jewess came to Allah’s Messenger with poisoned mutton and he took of what had been brought to him. (When the effects of the poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it.” At-Tabari, p. 124 - “The Messenger of God said during the illness from which he died - the mother of Bishr b. al-Bara had come in to visit him - “Umm Bishr, at this very moment I feel my aorta being severed because of the food I ate with your son at Khaybar.” Sunan Ibn Majah 1622 - ‘Aishah said: “I never saw anyone suffer more pain than the Messenger of Allah.”’ Sahih al-Bukhari 2588 - ‘Aishah said: “When the Prophet became sick and his condition became serious, he requested his wives to allow him to be treated in my house, and they allowed him. He came out leaning on two men while his feet were dragging on the ground.”
In my investigation, the Bible tends to hold up pretty well on most accounts, although there are parts of the Old testament which seem to be more legend and folk lore and less divine...
Thanks Mike! After watching this video around two years ago, I was born again. These arguments really landed home with me and has changed my life for the better. I was in a dark place but now I’m pulling out of it. Thank you, I am grateful of you for bringing me closer to God!
May God bless you! Now that we know we can trust His Word, we should recognize the below:
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12 ESV)
Blessings and welcome home!🙏❤
These aren't arguments they are stupid apologetics. You were fooled. Do some actual research and wake up.
@@SilverSixpence888 did you watch the video? because it looks a lot like research.
@@SilverSixpence888 there must be a reason you watch this channel. It is evident he teaches apologetics along with with his ministry.
What are you searching for.
I can assure you he speaks truth to the best of his ability.
Stick with him. You won't be sorry. You'll see.
Thks Sir Mike Winger. You have provided a study room for me to learn at the Master Jesus Feet through your videos. May God feed and His Spirit teach you to help His children learn of the Bible. God bless you in Jesus name Sir, amen!
God Bless you sister
Thank you Lord for giving us teachers to help us defend our faith. I pray we all follow brother Mike's sample in fighting a good fight.
Thank you for making these videos, Mike. I can't tell you how much your work has helped me. I pray for intellect and wisdom daily so that God may use me to further His Kingdom. I was led to your videos and after viewing many of them I can tell it is of God. Thank you, again! 😊
This is absolute insanity to think that such a detailed prophecy came to pass. This is good evidence for the world that the Bible is true. Everything came true in such detail it's unimaginable. Thanks Mike!
Yet tyre exists today... Rebuild by Alexander the great... Like he said in the first video in the series. One failed prophecy and you throw out all that comes from that "prophet".
@@knightbeforedawn the prophecy was against the ancient city, so yes, it did come to pass.
@@dpollard5286 The Ancient City was rebuilt very quickly. Not to mention that the prophecy is clearly about Nebuchadnezzar and the many nations of his the Neo-Babylonian Empire
@@tomasrocha6139 except the ancient city is under water and Nebuchadnezzar was only one of the many nations which is clear if you take the entire passage together as one prophecy.
@@dpollard5286 It's still inhabited today and Nebuchadnezzar King of Kings was King of the many nations that were to destroy it forever, it says he will put them to the sword.
This is so exciting. Been searching for years for teaching on these things that is this accessible, engaging and informative.
I look forward to seeing the next chaptee. Your teachings equip me and other thousands to defend our faith. Blessings from the Dominican Republic.
This is only wishfull thinking. Tyre was not destroyed by Nebukadnezar, check out Digital Hamurabi, he did study it.
It has all the trappings you have stated. Some of you are just opposed to the Bible and will dig anything to oppose it. One day we all will give an account to God.
@@DunstanStLuce Which god? Allah. Zeus? What I am saying is that there is no evidence of it all. These so called fulfilled prophesies are either vague, sometimes even wrong and often written after the fact.
But since you are so invested in your believe you cannot (for fear of hell) even consider this possibility. Religion really has people in a choke hold.
@@Peter_Scheen again tyre was not supposed to destroy tyre. If you notice the passages it changes the pronouns from he to they
@@Peter_Scheen fear of hell. If we had fear of hell then all Christian would go to hell because we would become self absorbed with fear. We would only be thinking about our selves instead of doing good because of what God did to us. Fear will never work
Hi Mike! Great video! Not sure if you'll see this but if you do more historical analysis videos in the future would you be able to include some of your sources in the video description?
Beautiful piece! Thank you. God bless all. : )
Thanks, Mike....I enjoyed this very much, Blessings..
From this prophecy, it seems like God pits his enemies against each other.
Also, it’s apparent that being Gods enemy is very dangerous.
I hope that everyone can overcome their own sinful natures to spare all of the pain and suffering.
The prize of rebelliousness, being false and pompous pride, is not worth the agony of justice.
I was raised Christian. I became an atheist at 25. I eventually became a Christian again after much soul searching, philosophy of consciousness, big bang, and Habermas' minimum facts argument. Part of my original deconversion was thinking the prophecies were all garbage. I'm so curious to revisit this now years later. I'm agnostic going in and don't feel like its needed for the truth of Christianity, but it will be fun to see arguments for true prophecy.
When I was deconverting it was because of Nebuchadnezzar being the one who destroys Tyre. I never noticed "Like waves of the sea" or thought to interpret it as different advances. Already looking forward to this one.
I've learned how to read ancient Hebrew since becoming a Christian again. I see it in my Hebrew Bible. "vehaaleiti alich Goyim Rabim kehaalot hayam legalav." will rise against you many nations like how rises up the waves of the sea.
My one hang up is verse 10. Did Nebuchadnezzar enter their gates? Otherwise very interesting points you brought up. Love it.
@@christiangadfly24idioms might be at play in such verses
@@debblouin Right. "Entering the gates" might have been ancient slang for "conquering". I'm still not fully committed either way, but I lean toward it being an accurate prophecy probably 70/30 after watching his video. My testimony is in my channel.
Enjoying this series...
This is incredible. This entire series is blowing my mind! Thank you!
Whether Tyre was actually rebuilt or not isn't really an issue, because Alexander was only the third wave. (Darius III was the second wave, albeit a little one). Many nations (waves) were prophesied to go against Tyre. The final nation or wave may actually be Israel because Tyre is mentioned as one of the members of the Psalm 83 conflict that Israel will defeat in the last days.
The pope just fulfilled the tyre prophecy
@@codyalexander3290 how so
Ty Mike for all your work. I know the Lord is working through you to reach many. This episode is hard to hear. The audio is a little muffled. But always great teaching. Always there to build up not tear down
Thanks, I will do some research on my own and then present this to my sceptical friends.
This is very helpful and very good to know ^^!
I'm very skeptical....after watching this I'm still skeptical. Tyre still exists..Ezekiel fucked up....Egypt still exists 🙂
Love your stuff tho, thank you so much for these. I am still trying to figure out how so many denominations get this stuff wrong and add things that are just simply not in the bible. Like billions of people claiming to follow Christ and they never crack open the best book ever written .
Hello Mike!
Thanks for the videos you're making to defend the Bible 😉.
I've a question,
do you know any book/s that does collect the most certain Bible prophecies and their historical fulfillment?
Thanks in advance.
Loving this series!
The prophet Zechariah prophesied Tyre's destruction as well in Zechariah 9:3-4 and he was definitely living after Nebuchadnezzar's siege of Tyre. This prophecy in Zechariah 9:3-4 must be an affirmation of Ezekiel 26 and at the same time refer to the destruction of Tyre by the hands of Alexander the Great in 332BC. If people doubt if Ezekiel was predicting the destruction of Tyre by Alexander, then just read Zechariah 9:3-4 and be assured that's what God meant in Ezekiel 26. Compare Ezekiel 26:19 with Zechariah 9:4, both times it mentions that God Himself will take care of the destruction of Tyre, he didn't depend on Nebuchadnezzar to fulfill that.
Moreover Zechariah definitely lived before the time of Alexander the Great so this is a clear example of fulfilled prophecy in the old testament.
Hey Mike, I just reaslised you started preaching from verse three not verse one but on the slide show it say Ezekiel 26:1-21
Mike, lovely video as alawys. You're truly a blessing to the Christian community.
Could we have the sources you used to build your argument. Need it for a project.
Have just come across u
Loving ur ministry. Form northern ireland
What’s funny about the reconstruction of tyre, is that the last verse of Ezekiel 26 says that,
“I will bring terrors on you and you will be no more; though you will be sought (Tyre), you will never be found again,” declares the Lord GOD.”
EZEKIEL 26:21 NASB emphasis added
We see that Tyre will be sought after, but the true Tyre will never exist again.
Thanks for this wonderful teaching, Pastor Mike!
Great teaching. Thanks for getting into the fight.
What city and church do you pastor at? I heard on previous video (I think?) that you’re in Southern California? We’re in San Diego....where are you preaching from?
According to biblethinker.org, "Mike Winger is an associate pastor at Hosanna Christian Fellowship in Bellflower, CA"
There is one thing that had bothered me for a long time and that's the statement that Neb. came from the North. Well, Babylon is nearly due east of Israel and Tyre so how could that be? Well, upon further investigation, the way I understand it is that Neb. ATTACKED from the north. He came from Babylon and took his troops on a north route and then went nearly directly south, therefore, he came from the north! Wow.
This is very interesting, thanks Mike!
Beautiful Explanation. May God bless you abundantly.
Mike's quote - "I know this world is in a dark place right now and it's getting a lot darker, a lot quicker. It sure has, certainly here in our country."
Seeing that this was filmed in 2016 - Looking back on 2016 now, in 2024, 2016 seemed lame by comparison. Just an observation. Thanks, Mike, for all the well organized teachings. I use a lot of your quotes in my notes in Logos to refer back to.
Thank you great work. God bless
God bless you Mike.
This was a GREAT overview about what happened at Tyre! I did not know these things Mike, thanks! Very cool info.
I suggest EVERYONE scroll down and read the comments from pinecreek and the dialogue with Mike.. it's painful but useful insight into the mind of a non-believer. From what I have heard in a past video, Doug (pinecreek) said his wife is a _believer_ so let's pray for them both! (For her strength and for God to grant him repentance unto the acknowledging of the truth.)
What was painful about listening to Pinecreek? I thought he asked challenging questions
Love the history lesson too!
Deteronomy 18:20 but the prophet who presumes to speak a word my name that I have not commanded him to speak,or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die. Once again God proves his majesty through profecy I really love these series.
Thank you Pastor Mike
There is one fact that is ignored by everyone I've ever heard and every map of the causeway I've seen. After the first causeway was destroyed, the second causeway was NOT built in the same spot. They moved further north and came at it from a different angle so it would stand up to the waves by directing more into it, instead of the waves hitting the side of it. [The strong winds and waves came from a southwesterly direction.] So a map with the causeway going straight from the mainland to the island in a horizontal fashion as shown in the map that was referenced is not correct, it never made it out to the island. "The king set to work on a fresh mole [causeway], but now he aimed it directly into the head-wind, instead of side-on to it, so that the front offered protection to the rest of the work which, as it were, sheltered behind it." from Quintus Curtius Rufus, The History of Alexander, Book 4, Chapter 3, verse 8. [Page 57 of the Penguin Classics book]
That's very interesting! So are you saying Alexander's causeway was destroyed and he had to rebuild it? Is that the king referenced in the book quote you gave?
@@patticarey9016 Yes, Alexander was the king mentioned. What I've always thought was kind of funny is that the original causeway was destroyed while Alexander was away. I can just imagine those left in charge thinking, "Oh man, he's going to be so angry when he gets back. We're going to be in so much trouble."
A very nice and informative talk on Tyre. Except for that mention of the Watchtower as they never prophesied in a sens of making their own prophesies. The only interpreted the Bible did or that way expressing their expectations. Even the apostles made such mistakes.
As for the Tyre bit, a very well prepared talk. Thank you.
Hey Adam, I'm not sure if you saw Part 1 of this (it's a separate video), but Mike talked a lot more about the Watchtower in that video! Just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to check it out.
@@ginabraswell5234 Thank you. ( a bit late, I know) .
A , great teaching
I had the extreme pleasure of debating this prophecy ad nauseum :-) It seems like you took the time to investigate the apologetic responses to this prophecy, unfortunately you did not add anything new. With that in mind, I hope you don’t mind a few questions or comments.
Is it your stance that Alexander fulfilled the prophecy?
Can you tell me what year Ezekiel made the prophecy? And the years Nebuchadnezzar was battling Tyre? Tie those years together if you could.
I’m kind of curious how Ezekiel prophecy would make the assertion that Neb and his army would be paid in the plunder of Tyre... but then would admit that “every head was rubbed bear and every shoulder rubbed raw”... and they received no reward! AND admit to the failure to destroy tyre. Was this written as a prophecy? If so, how did Ezekiel know Neb failed?
The prophecy went on to state that since Neb and his army failed, they would reap the reward of the destruction of Egypt...
As for a “Place to spread fishing nets”... it is an Island nation! It was always a place to spread their fishing nets.
I guess my biggest question above is if you think Alexander fulfilled the prophecy but your thoughts on the rest would be great.
So cool ! I have recently been getting into this specific area or world history.
Excellent. Thank u!
I’m finding this series very helpful, thanks! I was wondering if there is a link to a PDF copy of your notes?
Hi, I’m seven months late, but if you still haven’t found the notes, they should be available on his website “biblethinker.org”
@@holiazhang thank you!
Awesome awesome video
Really interesting. I think the only weakness here is understanding exactly when Ezekiel was written and if there is any way of proving that.
Thanks Mike!
Great series so far 👍
Thank you for your ministry
Couple criticisms:
1) Why is it that the only individual/nation that god was able to specifically name was one (nebuchadnezzar/babylon) that the author would have had knowledge of and the events attributed to this individual were ones that could possibly have been taking place during the writing?
2) 'The current city of tyre is not exactly the same layout, a perfect replica, or constructed from exactly the same materials as the city of tyre during a specific period of time'.
Seriously?!
Thank you 🙏
23:47 (I think the reference is Ezekiel 26:14) thanks so much for the video!
Thanks for this!
Hey Mike, I have used this video in the creation of my own video and do not worry I am not copying it word for word but more using it for a base of study so I know exactly what to study though the idea of requirement I want to use again it really is a base for study and I hope you are okay in fact the video is not just about prophecy but about ten reasons God is real at the moment I have science and prophecy and the series I will be doing is called ten'd and is basically a evangelical Top 10's list focusing on God and the bible and I hope to be able to use your content and other peoples content as a foundation for study and will 100% promote your channel on mine when the first video is released hopefully around September but maybe later or earlier depending on how fast I can get it out if you are interested I already have three videos up so you can go and have a look and maybe even become an avid viewer of Our (mine and Gods) Content. may Jesus bless your holy ministry amen.
This is a fantastic story! Thank you for covering it. I first heard it years ago in a homeschool presentation by Diana Waring. Absolutely amazing story even without the addition of God giving the prophecy of it in the Bible. So faith building!
Also I appreciate greatly greatly the closed captioning which is not available on many of your videos especially the earlier ones. I have been watching through your early videos as well as trying to keep up with your current content, and then blessed by both! Thank you so much for what you do.
Curious what this beautiful song based on the Habakkuk verse is!!!
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So amazing!
I LOVE YOU MIKE!!!!!
In prophecy every word is sacred. I’ve learned to go slow and use my brain while reading the Bible.
Question. Why do some of the newer bibles leave out some verses? I bought an NIV and there are some verses missing from it. Its frustrating. I bought the NIV because i can understand it better than the King James.
That's a good question, which verses does the KJV have that you are missing in the NIV?
This is my understanding: They use a different manuscript family. The NIV uses older but fewer manuscripts.
@@rwatson2609 Acts 8:37 pretty important
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr The problem with the Acts 8:37 passage is that it never existed in the oldest most reliable manuscripts that we have today. We believe that it was tucked in some time later. You actually don't need a good grip on Early Greek to figure this out for yourself, you just need to know the early Greek alphabet and you can see for yourself that looking at the oldest biblical manuscripts and comparing them to a modern Greek translation, that this verse is simply not there.
I'm not trying to through Gods word under the bus here, I still am confident that it is better than 99.5% accurate. There just seems to be a few passages that were never in the earliest manuscripts. In this case in particular, it did not appear in about a dozen of our most reliable manuscripts and codices. The KJV had just 7 or 8 Greek manuscripts to build with but they were not old enough to spot this problem that we are talking about. Anyhow, the KJV is actually a great translation and it fairs well against the NIV in that the NIV had the problem of having to satisfy many different protestant church doctrines in order to fulfil its role as an International version, where it was hoped to be used throughout a diverse church crowd with slightly varying beliefs.
There was a friend of the family that worked on the NIV as an old testament scholar(1st edition 1970s) and amongst the conversations that I overheard, he seemed to be indicating that there were many heated debates over the English wording of some passages in order for all of the churches to be satisfied with the NIV. The NIV is probably considered one of the worst translations of that era for this one reason. Simply put, no translation is perfect but even the NIV is good enough to lead a man or woman to life saving salvation in Jesus Christ alone.
Shouldn't Tyre stay destroyed since the bible says that Tyre shall never be rebuilt?
Allah says in the Quran that if the Quran was not from god then there would be many contradictions found in the Quran:
Quran 4:82 - “the Quran? If it had been from other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction.”
The following are a few of the contradictions found in the Quran:
Quran 3:3-4; 3:93; 6:92; 6:115; 18:27; 5:43; 5:46; 5:47; 5:65; 5:68; 10:94; 29:46 - all affirm the divine inspiration, preservation, and authority of Christian scriptures - and yet Quran 5:17; 5:72; 5:73; 5:75; 5:116; 4:157 say that Jesus is not God and that Jesus did not die on the cross, contradicting what the Christian scriptures say.
This contradiction is so significant that it has come to have its own name: ‘The Islamic Dilemma’.
Allah created man “out of a clot of blood” (Quran 96:2)
Allah created man “from water” (Quran 21:30)
Allah created man “from a small seed” (Quran 16:4)
Allah created man “from mud” (Quran 15:26)
Allah created man “out of nothing” (Quran 19:67)
It took Allah 6 days to create the universe (Quran 7:54)
It took Allah 8 days to create the universe (Quran 41:9-12)
Allah created the earth first - and then the heavens (Quran 2:29)
Allah created the heavens first - and then the earth (Quran 79:27-30)
Also let's discuss waves. What do waves do? One comes in then a moment after it subsides another does, then another, then another. It isn't just something that hapoens twice with a huge pause between them.
The "many nations" part failed too, there was what 2... That is more than 1, but when is 2 considered to be "many"? I have heard it called "couple" , or even "few" , but never "many".
Later the Romans took the area. Later the Byzantines. Later the Ottomans. None of those nations add to the details given but there have been waves. Your trying real hard to make it not work but its actually pretty incredible. Don't let cognitive dissonance keep you from acknowledging how uncannily similar the prophecy is to history.
@@blusheep2 I was merely pointing out the lack of presented information to support the argument.
@@knightbeforedawn ok. fair enough.
I imagine Ill look this up at some point but from the 1930 picture it doesn't look to me like the island is underwater. Google earth shows remnants of the old city. Some of them Roman but looks like other older ruins.
Are there any writings that we have found that date back before Alexander the Great destroyed tyre or even Nebuchadnezzar?
Not that I've found in Hebrew anyways. The dead sea scrolls is the oldest of biblical writings that I know of and they are from maybe the 3rd century BC at the oldest.
Mike, Digital Hammurabi (YT Channel) says you're wrong about these things. Have you addressed his reaction to this?
I've been waiting for that as well.
Mike interprets the Bibpe, and others can interpret their way.
You should have mentioned Isaiah 23:17
where it says Tyre after 70 years will return to its hire. Also Verse 15 predicts it will return.
That’s because the pope just fullfilled this prophecy
How can we be sure someone didn’t go back and edit the prophesies to make the prophecies accurate/true? We have no ORIGINAL copies of the Bible… therefore logically there is no way to prove that someone did not do that. Anyone have evidence or something I am missing that would prove that the copies of the Bible have not been doctored after the fact to make the prophesies accurate/true? I am coming here with an open mind, thanks
there are ultraaaaaaaa old scrolls that have been discovered around 1950-something if i remember correctly...🤔
and its discovered that they arent that different , the words always differ in translations but not in the message of it all ,,
the messages stay the same
and why would anyone edit that stuff and waste their time on something that they think its not true and then they have to edit it and take days and days to do it
same with apostoles, why did they die for someone if all of it wasnt true? , and it says in one verse- if Jesus didnt rise defeating death then all of what prophets and ppl have been talking about is false
And yet there are historical evidences tht cant be denied , many of them all pointing that Jesus existed and that his body wasnt found, 500 witnesses saw him rising
..He rised He defeated death and defeated sin , and now only if we give our life for Him and accept Him as our savior from death, will get eternal life and relationship with God
@@choco-ps7rkword salad
No one can take the failed prophesy of Tyre and lie about it like Mike Winger.
Allowing a few hundred years for anything bad to happen to the city does not work for me, Warfare was a constant in those times
Jerusalem has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times.
Go to aerial photographs of the City now and you will see it being densely populated, including the Courseqway that was never part of the city
if anything the City expanded. And if there are parts now underwater, there are plenty of ancient cities now underwater - this is not exclusive to Tyre
Also, Rome, Jerusalem, Berlin, and London are all cities that are considered Rebuild Cities, even if they do not look the same as before their destruction
Didn’t know he had such a cool car
Have you heard the arguments against this? Digital Hammurabi makes a strong case and it makes sense when I read the passage, that Nebachanezar should have destroyed the island of Tyre.
I could even say in defense of Bible prophecy that as the waves of the sea could even mean the rise and fall of the tides , so not just individual waves, which can help explain the time gap between Nebachanezar and Alexander. But that seems like grasping at straws
I’m not convinced at all by his arguments.
Firstly ‘many nations’ is brushed over and explained away by saying that’s the ‘hosts’. Many nations =\= hosts.
Secondly he has hastorical proofs of the coastal Tyre being conquered in the past, therefor when the Pheno empire was at its strongest, that it would not have fortified this crucial coastal town against attack? It supplied the fresh water for the island Tyre.
Discounting the fact that the prophecies were fulfilled, if only partially, with detail based on the weak arguments above and an atheists exegesis of text.
What translation of the Bible should I be reading and how will I know that the translation is accurate. Can you please answer asap as the only Bible I have read is the New World Translation. I am anxious to know the truth.
jill stephens there’s all different kinds and it gets complicated. Different Bible translations seek to give you a word for word translation or a thought for thought. ESV and NIV are some good ones though!
@jill Stephens: God bless you! The New World "translation" was put together very poorly and dishonestly by the Jehovah's Witness organization. You would benefit by reading from a more accurate translation such as ESV, NKJV, or CSB.
Anyone know where mike talks about the timing of when the prophesy was written vs the seige of tyre began? A google search puts ezekiel as active from 592-570BC and the seige at 586-573BC and I'm not knowledgeable enough to know exactly when 26 was written obviously it has to be provably dated to before the seige commenced for it to be convincing as prophesy... help please
I noticed the same thing. Ezekiel, along with the rest of Jerusalem were taken into Captivity by the same Nebuchadnezzar II that eventually sieged Tyre.
First off, thank you Mike. You are one of my favorite teachers and helped me tremendously early on in my learning of Scripture and still do aid me in my spiritual growth. The patron god of Tyre was Melqart. Melqart was considered the same as Herakles (Hercules) since at least the 6th century BC. Alexander was portrayed with a lion’s mane on his helmet like his hero Herakles. Denying Alexander the right to worship Herakles was more than just a blow to his pride. He is also said to have only spared those who took refuge in the temple to Melqart. The Persians (possibly the Assyrians) invented crucifixion. Alexander adopted this practice and is said to have crucified 2000 people on the beach around the island. Carthage, the ancient enemy of Rome that almost conquered her, also adopted crucifixion. Carthage was a Phoenician city said to be founded by Dido, the great grand niece of Jezebel. Rome likewise adopted crucifixion from the Phoenicians. Alexander the Great was vital to setting the stage for the coming of our Lord and Savior.
The pope just fulfilled the tyre prophecy
How so?
@@joshrichards9121 before I explain do you agree that looking at the verses before Isaiah 23:15 you can see similarities with the fall of Babylon in revelation?
@@joshrichards9121 70 years from the days of one king (pope ix who died in 1878) you have 70 years from that the great city (Babylon Jerusalem became a nation) 70 years from then is 2018 (document of human fraternity and Abrahamic family house) the description of both those things spearheaded by the pope fit perfectly the description of fornicate with the kingdoms(religions) of the world.
So where is tyre today the mainland one and the island?
The problem is that if instead Tyre was conquered by a conventional siege in the year 800 AD with nothing special going on, you'd still consider this a fulfilled prophecy. The details only count if they help you, otherwise it's just figurative language.
Somewhere in Ezekiel there's another prophecy about all of Egypt being completely depopulated for 40 years. That never happened, but it doesn't bother anyone, because prophecy is allowed to be as free and loose as can be
Ok but it wasn't?
@@jezbread8111 The bible is full of prophecies with details that are just shrugged off as figurative language of wrath. If we hold them to Tyre standards, then they're all false prophecies
Ezekiel 29…
Got it. What historical records should we expect to see from Egypt on their 40 year desolation?
How do you explain it? Probably at the time of writing there was political discord between Tyre and lots of other cities, and they probably wanted the trade, so someone predicted what would happen, and got quite close...
"Rebuilt" come on.. if your house burns down insurance won't pay out because you are not rebuilding your house in exactly the same way? Nonsense.
watch?v=XeO5ue7Bl9U&index=34&list=WL&t=0s
My guess is they won't pay out if your house burns down and you decide to build an ice cream parlor.
How the heck did Ezekiel knew the the city will be thrown into the sea? I mean at the people might have known that it was going to be destroyed but they did not know how. Ezekiel got it in detail what exactly will happen chronologically. People knew Nebby but they did not knew Alexander, only Ezekiel knew. Do you call the 2019 tyre rebuild? please! It is supposed to be queen of the seas it it was rebuilt, but it is not so it is a prophecy.
Your making a big stretch here buddy
Again, a book is a pretty low bar for revelation, considering gods omni properties and I can think of a better system than writing a book, like revelation to everyone that ever exists. Everyone would have the same revelation and could easily compare notes...
Like you said in the first video, one failure means you throw out all prophecies from that prophet.... Now let's see... Tyre exists today. Rebuilt by Alexander the great... What was the last part of that prophecy? It will never be rebuilt?
The explanation of Neberkenezer doing all that was written can be explained simply... The agreed uoon dates of the writing of ezekiel and Neberkenezers assault on the city, both have a range of the 580s and 570s BCE... Maybe that part was written as it was happening...
Writing current events does not a prophecy make...
It says nothing about being rebuilt the same or to the same level, just that it will never be rebuilt (period). This is all encompassing, which means there should be no tyre at all. A city and a car are not analogous in this case. A city that is smaller can still function as a city.
That is just an argument from incredulity
@@blusheep2 really? How?
It makes no sense for a being of infinite knowledge and power to use an easily manipulated and misunderstood method of transmission like a book claimed to be its word, instead of an unambiguous method that would be clear to all regardless of education, language, access the info, etc?
The background roaring makes it difficult to hear. I have to give up.
Could you kindly reconcile the teaching and Isaiah 23 on the Tyre? Verses 17-18 stated that Tyre will be revived for 70 years.
I have got answer to my question. See
jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/607/tyre.html the 70 years was before the total destruction of the city.
It looks like Isaiah was written a couple hundred years before Ezekiel so maybe that was to happen before the Ezekiel prophecy?
This prophecy was just fulfilled by the pope
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr no it’s about today
@@codyalexander3290 Would you be able to kindly point me in the direction of the information showing its fulfillment?
When did Satan Get cast from heaven? What did Jesus do when he received his permission to rule?
God has a “name” his “title” is most high, he is you’re heavenly farther, our creator. His name is ?
Audio not great on this one mike.
Yeah, unfortunately we had a lot of technical problems that day. We record with two different good quality mics and both of those recordings failed. I had to use the audio from the cameras which is really lousy. Sorry about that.
Of course it's from many nations. Alexander may have been one emptor but of a ruling empire of several other fallen kingdoms. USSR was an empire and look what was left from them. Nothing but countries or republics.
Not only Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the city of Tyre. Otherwise, Zechariah (from after the Babylonian captivity) could not have prophesied about the destruction of Tyre in ch. 9:2-5.
Nebuchadnezzar II did not destroy the city. The city was on the island, and he never managed to breach its defence
whats the song at the end?
From the horses mouth: We Will Praise- I think by Mike.
You not focusing on unfulfilled prophecy is a copout. You are then blatantly ignoring evidence against your beliefs.
I think that what he meant is that some of these prophesies just have not happened yet, verses what you are implying, which is that perhaps some of these prophesies will never ever happen. I could say that time is what is needed, but really I think more accurately you would have to read through these writings of Ezekiel to evaluate what portion of his prophesies have come to pass and then make a decision on this question to do with the rest of them. We've had 2600 years since then and a lot of archeology, though obviously God seems to live quite a long time.
Alexander finished off tyre to the uttermost
And how do we know that the text was actually written as is before the events happened? Didn't you say in the previous video in the series that a prophecy that happened in the same generation was not up to your proof standard? I'm pretty sure I heard that from Pt 1.
Oh I just saw you addressing that point a couple minutes after I wrote this. You address people saying "he wrote it as it was already unfolding" Your refutation is: "I don't think that's the case." That's not really proof, it's just something you think.
Daniel did mention reading from Ezekiel, so we can conclude that some text of Ezekiel was written by the time the text of Daniel was written.
Actually, if those text was wrote after the fall of Tyre there would be no 'vague' prophecies thing, such as being debated by some people that this prophecies was actually failed.
So, the debate about this 'Tyre' thing was failed prophecies was actually proved that this text not produced after the event.
If you want to produce a fake prophecies, why produce a vague and debatable one? It would be Better to produce clear and less controversial one.
Why would the Jews constantly accept as the Word of God, history lessons that claim to be prophetic?
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr Yes, especially when the Torah commands them to not listen to a prophet that speaks presumptuously.
The prophecies of Jesus and Israel going back into it's land in 1948 also prove the Bible was written by God. There are also Bible codes that prove the Bible was written by God. Sandy Armstrong, S4C, gives countless information proving the Bible was written by God.
The end of world prophecies we see today also prove the Bible was written by God. Jesus is coming back.
15:50 You don’t get to just say, “I don’t think that’s the case,” and move on without any further explanation! You are trying to provide EVIDENCE for the Bible. So what historical evidence LEADS YOU to say you don’t think that’s the case?
I agree with you. I feel like he really could have gone into more detail about why he didn't believe it to be the case.
However I think he may have been saying that the credibility was sustained based on the accuracy of the rest of the prophecy which took place centuries later in addition to everything that involved Nebuchadnezzar.
@@TrainerSpyro Despite the fact that the scholarly consensus is that Daniel was written centuries later. It IS pretty easy to make prophesies about things that have already happened.
The prophecy states Tyre wouldn't be rebuilt right? Can someone explain why Tyre is still there? Was it rebuilt?
The prophecy failed. Ezekiel admits as much in Chapter 29.
Ezekiel prophecies the specific actions of attacks against tyre would take place, and then afterwards tyre would never be rebuilt
These actions have taken place, and now modern day tyre is not rebuilt as it doesn't hold many of the qualities that the tyre which was destroyed had, including the actual land itself, because a bunch of it is now sunken in the water.
@@Monkey-si2uo When the OT says that Jerusalem will be rebuilt, but it ends up being built in the wrong place with the wrong materials and nowhere near its original might, that is considered fulfilled prophecy. But when Tyre is prophesied to never be rebuilt, and it is rebuilt in the same fashion as Jerusalem was, that is also considered fulfilled? Pick one! Either any rebuilding is considered being totally rebuilt, or it isn’t.
Any manuscripts of Ezekiel before Alexander the great? I'm a Christian, but atheists would say ezekiel 26 was edited after the destruction of tyre.
America was a land of nations. Then Europe took it as their own. Civilizations vanished. They are gone and we are not those nations even if we name ourselves after a vanished civilisation. We just repopulated their land.
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Ezekiel 26:14 on its own is enough to discredit this prophesy. This line says Tyre will never be rebuilt, but it is indeed a city in Lebanon today, with an estimated 200,000 people in 2016.
This is simply a misunderstanding of the text. The text doesn’t say that a new city wouldnt be built upon the rubble of Tyre, it specifically says Tyre will never be rebuilt. And this is true. Tyre, as it was, was lost forever. The new city that was eventually rebuilt upon the ruins took some inspiration from Tyre, but was itself an entirely new and different city
@@dr.malprac3746 And the argument you are echoing is based on a specifically narrow definition of the word rebuilt.
@@dr.malprac3746 that sounds like a really dishonest argument. A city with the same name was built on the same spot. That's called rebuilding a city.
@@dr.malprac3746 I didn't know that there was a time limit to rebuild a city, well, I'm positive that even if nothing had happened to Tyre whatsoever, you would say "but the ancient people from Tyre are all dead, therefore that means ancient Tyre is gone", genius.
I understand what you are all saying, but Tyre was a very specific city with a specific function. Take Washington DC for example. If a foreign country were to invade and destroy the capital of the US, and destroy us as a country so that for all intents and purposes the USA was wiped from the face of the Earth, and then some time later erect a new city in the same spot, could we honestly say that Washington DC, as we knew it, had been rebuilt? Of course not. The new city has completely different meaning, structure, function, leadership, and importance. Even if they named it the same, it wouldn’t be the same city. The same is true for Tyre. THE city of Tyre, with all of its meaning, uniqueness, power, reputation, leadership, culture, and so on, was never rebuilt once it was destroyed and a lot of it cast into the sea
Quran 5:67 - Allah said to Muhammad: “O Messenger! Convey that which has been sent down unto thee from thy Lord, and if thou dost not, thou wilt not have conveyed His message. And God will protect thee from mankind.”
Here Allah says that if Muhammad wass a true and honest prophet then Allah would protect Muhammad from ALL humans - but Allah didn't protect him from all humans - because Muhammad was poisoned by a Jewish woman and died because of it:
Sahih Muslim 5430 - “A Jewess came to Allah’s Messenger with poisoned mutton and he took of what had been brought to him. (When the effects of the poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it.”
At-Tabari, p. 124 - “The Messenger of God said during the illness from which he died - the mother of Bishr b. al-Bara had come in to visit him - “Umm Bishr, at this very moment I feel my aorta being severed because of the food I ate with your son at Khaybar.”
Sunan Ibn Majah 1622 - ‘Aishah said: “I never saw anyone suffer more pain than the Messenger of Allah.”’
Sahih al-Bukhari 2588 - ‘Aishah said: “When the Prophet became sick and his condition became serious, he requested his wives to allow him to be treated in my house, and they allowed him. He came out leaning on two men while his feet were dragging on the ground.”
In my investigation, the Bible tends to hold up pretty well on most accounts, although there are parts of the Old testament which seem to be more legend and folk lore and less divine...
It's only seen as legend if you don't believe it's true ;)